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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a five year old little

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Speaker 1: girl seemingly vanishes into thin air from her own home,

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Speaker 1: But tonight the ex stepmother changing her story, claiming, I

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Speaker 1: saw what happened the night Haley just five disappears. Well

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Speaker 1: that's news to a lot of people. Good evening, I'm

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being

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Speaker 1: with us.

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Speaker 2: We'll just look over her that story openly.

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Speaker 3: Can't find what I okay, what's your aggress Greenlane?

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Speaker 4: Good?

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Speaker 5: What's the numerical one?

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Speaker 3: You're cool little the number green Lane? Okay? When did

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Speaker 3: you last see her?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 5: You know it was tetical. She's keeping queen.

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Speaker 7: Okay, how old is your daughter you saw?

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Speaker 5: Okay?

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Speaker 1: I don't remember hearing anything in the whole nine one

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Speaker 1: one call the States.

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Speaker 5: I saw what happened.

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Speaker 1: I saw what happened to five year old Elly Cummings.

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Speaker 5: I didn't hear anything about it right there. In fact,

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Speaker 5: I hear just the opposite. But you know what, let's

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Speaker 5: listen to a little more.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the ex stepmother, a misty, will explain herself.

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Speaker 5: Listen.

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Speaker 7: Okay, well was she last you worry?

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Speaker 6: Ma'am?

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Speaker 5: You were saveing?

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right. You said your back door was wide

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Speaker 3: open almost all I said, okay, the listen to me,

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Speaker 3: your back door was wide open? What are you talking about?

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Speaker 5: A bricky?

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Speaker 8: What?

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Speaker 2: What is the brick?

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Speaker 1: What is the brick? The brick is where the back

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Speaker 1: door was propped open. As I recall, it was more

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Speaker 1: like a cement block. But again, we are listening to

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Speaker 1: the ex step mom, and that's straight in my head,

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Speaker 1: the ex step mom of.

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Speaker 5: Five year old little Haley. You're hearing Misty Cross and

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Speaker 5: he makes a nine one one call.

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Speaker 1: And also if I could hear that particular segment of

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Speaker 1: the nine to one one call again, because I hear

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Speaker 1: a male voice who I believe to be Ronald Cummings,

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Speaker 1: Haley's bio dad, yelling who grabs a little girl.

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Speaker 5: In the middle of the night. He ain't buying it either.

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Speaker 5: I'm with you, Cummings.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's hear that one more time and listen out

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Speaker 1: for Ronald Commings.

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Speaker 5: This is Heley's father.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well we'll.

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Speaker 6: See what lasting worry, ma'am.

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Speaker 5: We're using.

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, you said your back door with wide open.

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Speaker 9: Almost was all I.

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Speaker 3: Said, Okay, the door. Listen to me, your back door

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Speaker 3: was wide open. What are you talking about?

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Speaker 5: A bricky?

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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 3: What is the brick?

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Speaker 5: Okay?

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Speaker 1: The nine one one dispatch also has a problem with

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Speaker 1: the X step mother Misty Cross and story. Okay, I

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Speaker 1: know people get really upset when they're on nine one

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Speaker 1: one they're trying to report something. Joining me in All

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Speaker 1: Star Panel, but first I want to go to a

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Speaker 1: special guest joining us, the lead detective in the Hailly

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Speaker 1: Cummings disappearance, John Marshall, and let me tell you something.

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Speaker 1: He has put blood, sweat and tears into trying to

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Speaker 1: find five year old Haley Cummings.

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Speaker 5: John, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Do you hear the seeming confusion and the X step

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Speaker 1: mom Misty Austin's voice, She's like, uh what First she's

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Speaker 1: explaining they were asleep and she jumps to the back

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Speaker 1: door being propped open with a brick, and the nine

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Speaker 5: The nine one one call? Does that not cause you concern?

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Speaker 5: John Merchant?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, Like I said, from the very beginning, from the

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Speaker 10: inception of her number one call, her inconsistencies remain. She

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Speaker 10: told story after story after story, and you hear it

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Speaker 10: from the number one call on until later on in

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Speaker 10: the cage till she comes up because she witnesses what happened.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing to me and John Merchant. I hear everything

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Speaker 1: going on the background. I want to thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us while you're on duty. Guys, let's listen

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Speaker 1: to more of the nine to one one call.

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Speaker 5: What do we learn? A real quick huh?

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Speaker 3: And there was a brick laying there sting. We gotta

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Speaker 3: come and came, We gotn't comment.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: What's the color of your house, ma'am? Blue? Okay?

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Now joining me in addition to John Merchant and an

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Speaker 1: all star panel, Rob Hardwick is with us, the Saint

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Speaker 1: John's County sheriff, former assistant chief investigator for the State's

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Speaker 1: Attorney's office. He, along with John Merchant, investigated this case.

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Speaker 1: You know what, there's no way we can let go

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Speaker 1: of this case because justice has not been obtained. And

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Speaker 1: I know Rob, you and John Merchant feel the same.

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Speaker 1: When I hear Misty Crosslin and her story, her concocted

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Speaker 1: story and the near hyperventilation in her I'll tell.

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Speaker 5: You why she's worried. She's not worried about Haley. Oh, ah,

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Speaker 5: she double.

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Speaker 1: Lno, she's worried because Ronald Cummings just got home from

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Speaker 1: the night shift and he's like, what the f who

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Speaker 1: comes in and steals a.

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Speaker 5: Baby out of the house in the middle of the

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Speaker 5: night and you.

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Speaker 9: Slept through it?

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Speaker 5: And he's right, it's bs. I mean, you had to

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Speaker 5: do a backflip when you heard this story for the

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Speaker 5: first time. Hardwick sure, and Nancy.

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Speaker 8: In the time that she opened her mouth, of course,

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Speaker 8: on February tenth, at three am in the morning time,

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Speaker 8: and she has lied every single time that she's open

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Speaker 8: mouthed since then. And with that being said, we have

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Speaker 8: done so many resources in this case since two thousand

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Speaker 8: and nine because of her inconsistencies, her lies, her cover ups,

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Speaker 8: when we could have maybe got Haley back in the

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Speaker 8: early hours and recovered her if she would have been truthful.

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Speaker 9: But she has let us down.

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Speaker 8: Every single wrong path, lying, bringing us to sites where

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Speaker 8: bodies have been done for research. Divers were in the

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Speaker 8: water in these creeks at Shell Harbor Marina found gators,

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Speaker 8: alligator's teeth and fingernails and tonnails in there looking for Haley.

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Speaker 8: But again, she's since the time she opened her mouth Nancy.

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Speaker 8: She's been a repetitive and a compelling liar, and she

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Speaker 8: does it to this day while she's serving a prison sentence.

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Speaker 1: I have gone over that area, that very area with

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Speaker 1: a fine tooth comb. I have looked through every location

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Speaker 1: that has ever been mentioned, and you're right joining me. Also,

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Speaker 1: in addition to Rob Hardwick, Saint John's County Sheriff John Merchant,

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Speaker 1: former lead detective in this case, is a very special

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Speaker 1: guest as well, Terry Shoemaker.

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Speaker 5: He is the lawyer for Ronald Cummings. That's Haley's bio.

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Speaker 1: Dad this out and I verified this myself out working.

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Speaker 5: At night. I just morn his family literally punching a clock.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever had to do that? Because I had

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Speaker 1: at Sears and Roebuck. You punched a clock to show

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Speaker 1: exactly when you go in.

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Speaker 5: And when you leave.

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Speaker 1: I hear Ronald in the background raising teetotal hell, how

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Speaker 1: in the world could somebody come into the house.

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Speaker 5: And steal my daughter on your watch? And that's why

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Speaker 5: Misty Crawlson was so hyped up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, I mean we all know that Ronald was at

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Speaker 4: work that night. He was never a suspect because you

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Speaker 4: know his whereabouts were always verified. He gets home and

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Speaker 4: all of a sudden he finds out his daughter's missing,

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Speaker 4: and you know, and Misty is starting with the lies

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Speaker 4: Of course he was very aggressive, and of course he

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Speaker 4: all the times I met with her, and all the

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Speaker 1: The story is changing about what happened to five year

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Speaker 1: old Haley Cummings. And I know that Ronald Cummings, the

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Speaker 1: bio dad, has had a lot of ups and downs.

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Speaker 5: But as I've told many.

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Speaker 1: A jury, what do you want on the witness stands

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Speaker 1: a nun, a priest, a virgin Because I don't have that.

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Speaker 5: I don't have that to put on.

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Speaker 1: But what I do have is a bio dad who

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Speaker 1: comes home from work and I can verify you as

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Speaker 1: at work, and he can smell a crop full of

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Speaker 1: bs a mile away. So what more do we learn

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Speaker 1: from the nine to one call? This is important because

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Speaker 1: you are hearing the stepmom giving her first rendition of

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Speaker 1: the facts.

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Speaker 5: Listen, Okay, what's your back door?

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Speaker 1: Locked.

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Speaker 2: You know, yes, but I thought always sa.

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Speaker 5: Okay, let me speak.

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Speaker 1: I just got over work before real daughter is gone.

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Speaker 4: I'm wanted to be here.

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Speaker 3: All tell me versus Hanley, we got too often.

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Speaker 2: By fine, whoever has my daughter before, y'all do I'm

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Speaker 2: killing him.

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Speaker 7: I don't do it.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna resk my life in prison. I'm telling you

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Speaker 2: can put it on record, and.

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Speaker 3: I don't do Okay, it's okay, sir.

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Speaker 5: We got him on the way.

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Speaker 1: I know Ronald Cummings. I have spoken to him in person.

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Speaker 1: I have talked to him many many times, and you

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Speaker 1: hear him. I believe he's completely innocent in his daughter's disappearance.

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Speaker 5: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: Uh, let me go to you, Rob Hardwick, Saint John's

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Speaker 1: County Share a former investigator on this case, Rob Hardwick.

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Speaker 1: But you learn who's telling the truth. Now, you can

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Speaker 1: be tricked, that's for sure. Sure, But you kind of

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Speaker 1: turn into a human lie detector. And I don't care

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Speaker 1: what anybody says about Ronald Cummings. He was telling the

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Speaker 1: you hear his voice when he walks in on that

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Speaker 1: crap show orchestrated by the stepmom, Misty Crosslin.

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Speaker 8: Sure, Nancy, that goes back to when he actually went

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Speaker 8: to work, of course, on the ninth or February to

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Speaker 8: PDM Bridge. It starts there, so that initial nine one

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Speaker 8: one call comes in again. Misty already has the plan

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Speaker 8: in place, she already knows what's going on, and Ronald

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Speaker 8: walks in to a mess. Basically, his five year old

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Speaker 8: daughter is missing, his three year old son is still there.

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Speaker 8: And then you got Misty who again the time she

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Speaker 8: pick up the phone at three am or three seventeen

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Speaker 8: in the morning time, she immediately starts lying and he

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Speaker 8: comes into that storm.

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Speaker 9: You're absolutely right, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: What about a John Merchant? You investigated this case and

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Speaker 1: it's still haunting you.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, and all the conversation have with Ronald, I would

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Speaker 10: describe Ronald as a non perfect person. He lived a

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Speaker 10: life that was probably something we would approve of, But

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Speaker 10: he's absolutely innocent when it comes to what happened to

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Speaker 10: his daughter. He was at work, just like you described it.

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Speaker 10: He was at work doing what was right, making a

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Speaker 10: living for his family, and that's exactly where he was

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Speaker 10: at at the time he comes home to a girl

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Speaker 10: who has began a fabrication of a of a of

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Speaker 10: a long story. And that's what he walked into. And

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Speaker 5: All approve of. I want to be clear. I am

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Speaker 1: I don't care who sleeps with who, if you gamble,

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Speaker 1: What I do care about is anything that's got crime

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Speaker 9: That's what we had to go by. Was again the

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Speaker 9: With Christy Croslin, there.

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Speaker 1: Is no doubt in my mind that Misty Cross on

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Speaker 1: what Misty Crossland was saying.

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Speaker 5: About what happened is this nine to one one call.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna circle back to it, Dave mac.

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Speaker 1: But first, could you explain to people unfamiliar with Haley

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Speaker 11: Haley, just like any other five year old, was put

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Speaker 2: At about three o'clock in the morning.

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Speaker 11: Misty Crossling says she got up to get a drink

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Speaker 11: And by the way, Ronald Cummings had to tell her

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Speaker 11: I know you're gonna round up back to this, but

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Speaker 11: you know what you can. Hear Ronald Cummings like any

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Speaker 2: He's just letting it go and you know what, Nancy.

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Speaker 11: At one point, Ronald Commings grabs the phone and says,

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Speaker 2: He was that frustrated and he didn't believe Missy. Who

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Speaker 2: Come on?

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Speaker 11: And yet he had to roll with what her story is.

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Speaker 11: And now you said she fixed her story right then,

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Speaker 11: So any change.

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Speaker 2: She makes is a lie. Anything other than what she

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Speaker 1: I mean, Terry Shoemaker, you tried a lot of cases, guys.

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Speaker 1: He is the lawyer representing the biodad Ronald Cummings, and

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Speaker 1: not necessarily in this case, because he has spoken with

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Speaker 1: me freely about that night. He's gone on air with

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Speaker 5: For his daughter.

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Speaker 1: He's gone over and over the story with me, and Terry,

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Speaker 1: really a point of evidence. When a defendant or any

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, they always say the truth is a

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Speaker 4: It's going to remain constant. As soon as they start

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Speaker 1: What we understand from Missing Haley's ex stepmother, the story

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Speaker 1: She hates my guts, and that's to put it mildly,

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Speaker 1: and don't worry, Cralsland. The feeling is mutual. But the

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Speaker 5: Listen, So, okay, sir, let me talk to your wife.

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Speaker 5: So let me get an Okay, can I talk to Ron?

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Speaker 3: Okay, ma'am, yeah, okay, listen to I mean, answer her question.

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Speaker 3: Does the door look like it was cried open? Does

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Speaker 5: Okay, that right right there. She's already taking a lie

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Speaker 5: and we're still talking to nine one one the night.

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Speaker 5: He only goes missing.

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Speaker 1: First she said there was a brick of sorts holding

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Speaker 1: It's hard to understand him, but he says to Misty

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Speaker 1: cross On the stepmom, how the did you let my

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Speaker 3: So, okay, sir, let me talk to your what so

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Speaker 5: Okay?

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Speaker 3: Can I talk to rot okay, ma'am? Yeah, okay, listen

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Speaker 3: to I mean, answer some questions. Does the door look

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Speaker 5: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 11: Haley Cummings vanishes in the middle of the night, and

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Speaker 11: her father, Ronald comings, tells living girlfriend Misty Crossland to

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Speaker 11: call nine to one one right away. Crosslin makes the

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Speaker 11: Cummings has heard on the recording saying he doesn't care

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Speaker 11: He will kill whoever has taken his daughter, and.

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Speaker 1: Very wisely, those in charge of the investigation immediately call

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Speaker 1: in the cane ies. Those guys are with me right now,

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Speaker 7: Misty Croslin tells nine to one to one dispatch she

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Speaker 1: To Rob Hardway, Saint John's County Sheriff and the former

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Speaker 1: this case at the time Haley first went missing, bringing

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Speaker 4: Sure?

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Speaker 8: So Nancy actually, when the bloodhounds were actually brought in,

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Speaker 8: Those were some of the best bloodhounds in the state,

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Speaker 9: These Bloodhouns came in.

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Speaker 8: We actually had canines from surrounding agencies to include the

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Speaker 1: Positive alerts in different directions. John Merchant, formerly detective in

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Speaker 1: Where the dogs were hitting. Could that have been where

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Speaker 10: Personally at this point, I believe this. I believe what

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Speaker 10: There was some other positive alerts on the front shide

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Speaker 1: What does it mean, was that where she was just

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Speaker 1: before she was kidnapped or just before she was killed

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Speaker 1: right there?

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Speaker 5: Or was that where she had been playing in the neighborhood.

446
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Speaker 8: Well, you know, you look at the map, of course

447
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 8: of Green Lane, and just like Merchant said, green Lane

448
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 8: actually dead ends into Trout Creek of course, Saint John's

449
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 8: River on one end, and then the other end actually,

450
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 8: which is all dirt roads, ends on Buffalo Road, Buffalo

451
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 8: Bluff Road. So again, those canines which we rely on

452
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Speaker 8: so heaving, these are canines that actually were bloodhounds that

453
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Speaker 8: do this where they track human scent. And we don't

454
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Speaker 8: get this in a lot, Nancy, where we actually have

455
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 8: fresh clothing, fresh scent. Well, of course, when Haley went

456
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 8: missing from this trailer on Green Lane, we had dirty clothes,

457
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Speaker 8: we had her scent, the immediate scent.

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Speaker 9: But this is a problem though, and we talked about

459
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Speaker 9: this earlier. Is let's back up to eight point fifteen.

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Speaker 8: Is misty the truth that she put the baby to

461
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Speaker 8: bed at eight fifteen, that she went to bed at

462
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Speaker 8: ten o'clock. And then the other question too, Nancy, is

463
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 8: we'll go back and given the track to the canines

464
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 8: she says, this rear door is propped open near the

465
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Speaker 8: laundry room, but she doesn't exit the rear door and

466
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Speaker 8: look when the child is missing out the door. So

467
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Speaker 8: we give this information to our bloodhounds and we go

468
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,360
Speaker 8: in the best information. But these bloodhounds tracked in two

469
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Speaker 8: different directions, which exactly like mister Merchant said. It could

470
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Speaker 8: be earlier tracks where she had been playing or actually

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Speaker 8: when she was still alive.

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Speaker 1: Joining me is a renowned forensic psychologist who specializes in

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Speaker 1: capital mitigation and victim advocacy.

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Speaker 5: You can find her at panthermitigation dot com.

475
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Speaker 1: Doctor Sherry Schwartz, Doctor Sherry, you have closely listened to

476
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: the nine to one one calls where the ex stepmother

477
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Speaker 1: Misty Craslin, is giving her version of what happened when

478
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,439
Speaker 1: Haley disappears on her watch, claims that Heley had been

479
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 1: sleeping with her and then she wakes up in boom.

480
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Speaker 5: Haley's gone.

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Speaker 1: First says that the door would be imprompted open with

482
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Speaker 1: a brick, and then says it looks like somebody pride

483
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Speaker 1: it open. I mean, in the space of three minutes,

484
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Speaker 1: has already contradicted herself.

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Speaker 6: Yes, Nancy and I actually remember this case when you

486
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 6: covered it when it first happened, and I remember thinking

487
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Speaker 6: to myself.

488
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Speaker 5: That it made no sense.

489
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Speaker 6: A little five year old girl. You don't notice she's

490
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Speaker 6: missing until you wake up to go to the bathroom. Well,

491
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Speaker 6: who put the cinder block at the door, the little

492
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 6: five year old girl? Or was the door pride open

493
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 6: and you didn't hear that? Because my recollection is that

494
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 6: the trailer wasn't very big, So if Haley wandered off

495
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 6: by herself, there would have been noise, her trying to

496
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 6: open the door, her trying to put a cinder block,

497
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Speaker 6: which I don't even think would be physically possible, or

498
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 6: somebody came in and took her.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how many hundreds of statements, thousands of

500
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Speaker 1: statements everybody on this panel has sifted through before. But

501
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: to Terry Schumaker, who's the lawyer for Ronald Cummings, Haley

502
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: Cummings father, her biological father, who was by all accounts

503
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 1: devoted to her. When you can't keep your story straight

504
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: for three minutes, that's the problem.

505
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, if you can't tell one story after

506
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 4: another story and sound like the same story, then obviously

507
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 4: you're lying. And nothing you say can be believed. So

508
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 4: you know, law enforcement did everything they could with Missy

509
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 4: to try and get her to cooperate and get her

510
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 4: to answer questions truthfully. But you know, from the moment

511
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 4: I met her to the moment she went away to prison,

512
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 4: I can't tell you how many different stories she told

513
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Speaker 4: me about what took place that night.

514
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: That must have twisted your client, Ronald Cummings's stomach. He

515
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: must have just been sick when he hears all of

516
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 1: her changing stories.

517
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Speaker 4: Terry, Yeah, you know, And every time I talk to him,

518
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 4: he was like, I can't understand why she won't just

519
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 4: tell me the truth, you know.

520
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 9: And somebody asked earlier.

521
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 4: Maybe it was you? About all we had married her,

522
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 4: And I remember him telling me when I asked the

523
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 4: same question, He's like, you keep your friends close and

524
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 4: your enemies closer. And he was hoping that by marrying well,

525
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 4: maybe she would one day open up and tell him

526
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 4: what really happened. And when he realized that was never

527
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 4: going to happen, and she was just going to continue

528
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 4: lying and continue leading him down a false path, that's

529
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Speaker 4: when he got the divorce for.

530
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Speaker 7: Eighteen months, mister Croslin says she awoke at three am

531
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Speaker 7: and Haley is gone and the back door is open now,

532
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 7: She says, her cousin, Joe Overstreet, comes to the trailer

533
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 7: to get a machine gun owned by Haley's father, Ronald Cummings.

534
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 7: When Overstreet doesn't find the gun, Croslin's attorney, Robert Fields, says,

535
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 7: Haley Cummings is taken as a substitute for the machine gun.

536
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: What a machine gun? What happened to waking up in

537
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: the middle of the night to go to the bathroom

538
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: and realizing that Haley's gone? Where's this coming from?

539
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 5: Listen?

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00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 12: Misty Crossland tells nine to one one dispatchers and her

541
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,959
Speaker 12: boyfriend that she woke up at three am to get

542
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 12: a drink of water and finds Haley missing in the

543
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 12: back door open now. She says, that isn't what happened.

544
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 12: Misty Crossland's attorney says, the night Haley Cummings disappeared, Crosslin

545
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 12: and Haley's younger brother, Ronald Junior, cowered under a sheet,

546
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 12: hearing screams from Haley as the five year old struggles

547
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,959
Speaker 12: against her abductor. Crossland claims she gets a glance at

548
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 12: the abductor and knows who he is.

549
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: Ohkay, So now machine guns and kidnappers. Next thing, she'll

550
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: pull a Jodyarius and tell the tell us the kidnappers

551
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: wearing black ninja outfits where their faces covered. Dave mac

552
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter.

553
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 5: You know what, if a little.

554
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: Girl's life wasn't on the line, I would be tempted, tempted,

555
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: just barely tempted, day to laugh. Really armed in traders

556
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: with machine guns come in and steal Haley. And we're

557
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: just hearing about this almost two years in Okay, what's

558
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: thede story?

559
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 5: Tell me about the machine guns?

560
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 11: She actually claims again, remember she didn't know who did it.

561
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 11: It was middle of the night, woke up, she was gone.

562
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 11: Now she not only knows who took Haley, she saw

563
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 11: it happen and cowered away. But even in her statement

564
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Speaker 11: a year and a half after the fag Nancy, she

565
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 11: can't even lie in the right order, because you know,

566
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 11: she acts like she's cowering under and gets a glance

567
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 11: at the person stealing Haley. She says that Haley is

568
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 11: either covered in a black blanket or put into a

569
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 11: black bag, and that this person, now she knows him,

570
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 11: well enough to know that, Oh, he came here for

571
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 11: a machine gun. See, all of this is not my fault.

572
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 11: It's Ronald's fault. Ronald promised him a machine gun. And

573
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 11: when the guy gets here, I'm assuming he looked all

574
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 11: around this trailer and didn't find the machine gun, and

575
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 11: so he took Hailey as a down payment or as

576
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 11: a replacement or something. It makes absolutely positively no sense

577
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 11: that she claims she got a glance of him in it,

578
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 11: because in that story the Joe Overstreet, her cousin.

579
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 2: Would have just come into the trailer, grabbed Haley and run.

580
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 11: But he came in and looked for the machine gun

581
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 11: and didn't find it in the story as well, So

582
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 11: which one is it?

583
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 9: Even in the lie?

584
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 2: It boggles the mind.

585
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 5: This woman hates anyone that gets close to the truth. Listen,

586
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 5: they're recording everything, y'all do I mean, how how how

587
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:42,959
Speaker 5: can we not see each other?

588
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 11: We are not co defend And I think Nankey Great

589
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 11: needs to keep her mouth shut until she knows the fact.

590
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 9: All kind of crazy cry out.

591
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 5: All about you and Haley and it's it is yeah.

592
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 2: A BS.

593
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: I guess you're a big BS or two. Rob Hardwick

594
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: So what do you believe happened that night? Because I

595
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: guarantee you the X stepmother, Missy Crasslin, did not just

596
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: wake up and go to the bathroom and peek over

597
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: and go, oh.

598
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 5: My stars, Haley's gone.

599
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: That didn't happen, and nobody broke in with machine guns

600
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: and then took Heley. Okay, so what really happened? Where

601
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,239
Speaker 1: is Helly Coummings. I got a bad feeling. I've got

602
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: a bad feeling based on one thing. One thing, somebody

603
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: that can't lie, and that's a dog. Sure, best witness

604
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: I ever put on the stand was a dog held

605
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: up pretty well on across exam too.

606
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,959
Speaker 5: So what happened? Rob Hardwick?

607
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 8: You know, Nancy and I hate him and give Missy

608
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 8: any credit at all, But let's give this girl some credit.

609
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 8: She's been a manipulative, compulsive liar since her first No

610
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 8: One one call at three am in the morning, and

611
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 8: we've had to deal with that for years, by the way,

612
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 8: I mean dragging us around to makee up crime scenes,

613
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 8: to you know, to interviewing people that had nothing to

614
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 8: do with this case. He changes her entire story at

615
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 8: eighteen months later of what happened to misty where little

616
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 8: Ronald was at n I mean she starts throwing every

617
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 8: end of the bus, so I too, Nance, I'm going

618
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 8: to go back on my belief and what our canines

619
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 8: can do, our blood, they're trained to do this. These

620
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 8: are multiple dogs that hit on the same location. So

621
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 8: I'm going to agree with you and tell you that

622
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 8: I'm not gonna You've done this before, you prosecuted cases

623
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 8: and put people on the stand where this says the

624
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 8: canine is actually what actually gives us the evidence in

625
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 8: the case.

626
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 9: And I believe we're in the case. I'm going to believe.

627
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 8: I'm going to agree with mister Merchant, and I believe

628
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 8: that body was down in the water that night. Again,

629
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 8: that's a fast moving river and saying John's River, it

630
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 8: flows into the Barge Canal to the south. So I

631
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 8: believe she was in the water. My personal opinion, And

632
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 8: I'm going to ask you.

633
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Speaker 1: You know what people say, there's no such thing as

634
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: a stupid question. I'm going to ask you what I

635
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: think is a stupid question. You know why stupid because

636
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter her And it took

637
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: me years years as a prosecutor sitting in court looking

638
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: over child molesters, drug lords, murderers.

639
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 5: And I think, why would you do this and leave

640
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 5: such a wake of pain like a speedboat behind you?

641
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 3: Why?

642
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: And it took me about five years, in believe it

643
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: or not, Rob Hardwick, before I realized why?

644
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 5: Ask why?

645
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 1: Because why doesn't matter. I have one job and one

646
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: job only, and that is to seek the truth, whether

647
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: I like the truth or not. But I'm going to

648
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: ask you, I'm going to go out on a limb.

649
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 5: Why Why? Because I believe five year old Heilly comings

650
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:44,280
Speaker 5: was dead.

651
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: When she left that house. I don't think she walked

652
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: down to the water and jumped in. I think she

653
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 1: was killed and thrown in the water. But why why

654
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: was this little girl killed?

655
00:34:58,800 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 3: Rob?

656
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Speaker 8: You know, Nancy, as we looked back in this case

657
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 8: and did so much work in this case, you looked

658
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 8: back for so just the upbringing of Missy by herself,

659
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 8: and the evilness of course that she.

660
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 9: Doesn't know any different, any better. And this is one

661
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 9: of things, Nancy, she drove us to all these.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I'm one of the investigators back in the

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Speaker 8: case where Putnam County Sheriff's Office had dragged around a

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Speaker 8: jail numerous times on these bogus lies where we went

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Speaker 8: looking for Haley's body, or went to these crime scened

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Speaker 8: areas looking for Haley's body.

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Speaker 9: She ran us a monk the entire time.

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Speaker 5: It reminds me so.

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Speaker 1: Much John Merchant, Lee detective in the Haley Commy's case

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Speaker 1: at the time, John Marsh, it reminds me so much

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Speaker 1: of top mom Casey Anthony, who led police all over

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Speaker 1: from here to timbuckto down a pig path.

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Speaker 5: You know what a pig path is. You can't catch

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Speaker 5: a running pig, It's impossible.

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Speaker 1: A pig path is like a crazy circuitest ziggy zaggy path. Okay,

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Speaker 1: John Merchant. She has led like a top mom Casey Anthony,

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00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: led and investigators to this place, to that place, to

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Speaker 1: this place.

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00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:04,280
Speaker 5: To that place.

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Speaker 1: It was all a lie and held an incredible composure

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Speaker 1: the whole time.

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Speaker 5: And that is what Misty Croslin did.

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Speaker 10: Yeah. I think a pig pat would probably be an

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00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 10: understatement when it comes to her. She has led us everywhere.

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00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 10: She's led us from. I have no clue till I

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00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 10: witnessed it. And here's where the body is. And like

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Speaker 10: Chief Herbert said, we have been from crime scene, the

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00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 10: crime scene, escorted her to the location to location, and

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00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 10: we still have nothing. We have nothing but Misty Craslin

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Speaker 10: telling why after life.

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Speaker 5: Then they find out what happened to Haley, everything would

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Speaker 5: be different.

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Speaker 9: I know, I can't believe they will. Don't believe, you know,

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Speaker 9: I know it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Because they got my bark that's so high.

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Speaker 5: Just because of that, and that's not fair. This has

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00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,760
Speaker 5: nothing to do with it. I know that that's exactly

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Speaker 5: what idiot, that's what they think I'm going to break.

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Speaker 5: There's nothing to break me on, so they need to

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Speaker 5: leave me.

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Speaker 1: All okay, my head is actually hurting right over here

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00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,720
Speaker 1: to doctor Seri Swartz, Boy, do I need a shrink?

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00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: I may need a drink, but I definitely need a

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Speaker 1: shrink since I'm a teetoel er can't have that drink.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Serry Swartz, did you just hear her?

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Speaker 5: Me me me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me,

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00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 5: me and me? What about the missing girl?

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00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: She's mad because her bond isn't low enough for her

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00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 1: to get out. She says, quote, they need to leave

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Speaker 1: me alone.

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Speaker 5: They think I'm gonna break. I'm not gonna break. Who

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Speaker 5: is this woman?

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00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:36,439
Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 6: The sad truth is. And I don't know Misty Kralsland,

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00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 6: but I'll say this in general, people that are high

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00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 6: in psychopathy and narcissism have very low levels of anxiety.

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Speaker 6: And so this is why she will never break She's

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00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 6: not lying about that they will never break her because

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00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 6: she doesn't suffer the physiological and psychological consequences that the

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Speaker 6: rest of us might suffer under similar high pressure circumstances.

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Speaker 6: And she is only concerned for herself. That's evident in

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Speaker 6: all of the recordings, and as I recalled, there were

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Speaker 6: many where she's only worried about Missy. She's not at

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Speaker 6: all concerned about where Haley is, which to me is

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00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 6: an indication that she knows where Haley is and that

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Speaker 6: she can't be found. And she's also not concerned about Ronald,

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00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 6: this person that she's supposed to love whose daughter got

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Speaker 6: lost on her watch.

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Speaker 1: Terry Sheumaker speaking of Ronald Cummings. Another thing is that

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Speaker 1: she marries and then he quickly divorces her Ronald Cummings,

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Speaker 1: but never once do we hear her talk about, Oh,

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Speaker 1: this is tearing Ronald up.

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Speaker 5: He can't find his daughter. I'm sick about it. I

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Speaker 5: want to help him.

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Speaker 1: I mean, when I see the few times I've ever

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Speaker 1: seen my husband in any kind of distress, I think

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Speaker 1: the only time I really have seen him or he

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Speaker 1: would show his emotions is where when his mom and

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Speaker 1: dad died really quickly, you know, one after the other,

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Speaker 1: and I would do anything I could think of, you know,

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Speaker 1: just to try to make him feel better.

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Speaker 5: I failed, but I tried.

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Speaker 1: I never hear her talking about finding Haley. What really

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00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: happened to Haley? Again, like top mom, whenever that asked her,

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00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: well what did happen to Kelly? She get mad at

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00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: her parents here. You never hear her talk about what

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00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: happened that night? Can we find Haley? Is Haley still alive?

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Speaker 1: How can I help Ron? Nothing like that, Terry, she maker, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean part of that is the only way she

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Speaker 4: could help Ron is to implicate herself in the disappearance

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00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 4: of Haley. So obviously she knows how to help him,

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00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 4: she knows she has the information to help him, but

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Speaker 4: in order to do that, it's going to put herself

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00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 4: in trouble. And she's never going to do that. Like

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Speaker 4: doctor Schwartz said, you know, a very narcissist stick, and

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Speaker 4: she's never going to break She's never going to give

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00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 4: any information because she knows that if she does, obviously

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00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 4: that's the end of her.

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Speaker 1: If you know, or you think you know anything about

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Speaker 1: the disappearance of a beautiful five year old little girl,

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Speaker 1: Haley Cummings, please doll three eight six three two nine

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Speaker 1: zero eight zero eight repeat three eight six three two nine.

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Speaker 5: Zero eight zero eight.

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Speaker 1: There is still a reward for information in the disappearance

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Speaker 1: of Haley Cummings. Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend.