WEBVTT - The Network State: A Tech Fascist Empire 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:05.680 Al Zone Media. 0:00:06.800 --> 0:00:09.120 Welcome to It could Happen here, the podcast where it's 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:12.240 happening both here and everywhere else. I am your host 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:17.000 Fo Wong, and today we're talking about the it being 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:20.360 the fascist network state that the all of these ventured 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:24.400 capital tech ghouls are trying to set up. And with 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:27.760 you once again to talk about this is Shaneley, who 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:31.280 is one of the contributors and people behind VC Infodox, 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:37.160 which is one of the best resources about these bloodthirsty tyrants. Shy, 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:38.320 Welcome to the show. 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:41.880 Thank you, Thank you for having me again. 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:44.880 I constantly have these moments where it's like, oh great, 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:46.400 I'm talking to people who are really cool, and I 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:49.160 really wish I was talking to them about literally anything else, 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:53.000 because oh my god, this stuff sucks. Like please please 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:55.279 cause the end of this system, so I could talk 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:57.880 to people about things that are good instead of things 0:00:57.880 --> 0:00:59.120 that are nightmarish. 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:05.200 My dream is to not wake up every single more 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:07.880 the first thing I think about is Winter Capital. 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:09.480 I think about it every second. 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:11.720 Of every day, and then that's when I go to 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:15.080 sleep thinking about and then that is also sometimes what 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:17.680 I dream about, which is unfortunate. 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:22.839 You know, we've all been there, We've all been there. 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:29.320 Oh god, So speaking of things all being in places, Look, 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:31.839 they pay me the mediocre box if youel a better 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:38.119 transition more. But you know, let's get into what the 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:41.600 network state actually is, because I think it's something that 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:44.160 is not understood particularly well. 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:46.240 Yeah, one hundred percent. 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:50.480 So again, this kind of comes in what we're talking 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:53.360 about last episode, that kind of people's ideas about what 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:58.960 these projects are not necessarily like fully fully formed. And 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:01.560 I think a lot of people think that the network 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:06.600 state is just kind of like them going to do 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:11.640 weird shit, which yes, that's that's part of it. But 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:15.400 I think something that you know, people don't really see 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:21.200 is how how many purposes that the network state sites 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:24.239 have for them. You know, the network state is basically 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:29.840 creating zones around the world where they can execute their projects. 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:32.040 So you know, some of. 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:37.519 These are more of the like ideological projects like maybe 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:39.480 like practice or something like that. 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:42.040 But you also see network state. 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:45.919 Sites that are very focused on being like industrial centers, 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:50.919 manufacturing centers, you know, biotech and startup development where they 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:54.920 can get away from regulations, where they can sort of 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:58.840 benefit from like co development on a campus. 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:00.720 You know, you have sort of. 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:05.959 New city ideas like California forever, you have network state 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:08.760 sites that the only thing they're doing right now is 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:16.080 they're registering startups to operate in different countries and favorable terms. 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:21.040 You have a whole sort of bunch of different versions 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:26.840 of this, so it's a very like extensible concept for them. 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:31.840 I think some other you know, interesting properties of the 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:35.120 network state is that it can become like a point 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:38.960 of sort of negotiation with the with the host country. 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:41.040 Like one of the points of the network state is 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:45.640 to open up a country to the cryptocurrency markets, to 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:50.960 mining markets, to you know, just the different biotech markets. 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:54.160 This is a way of them getting into a country 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:58.520 like kind of on their own terms, which I think 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:02.080 is a big, big function of it. A lot of 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:05.720 it has to do with crypto adoption, because if they're 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:09.240 going to make cryptocurrency work, they need it to be 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:13.920 adopted around the world. And this is why coinbase is 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:17.680 making such extreme investments in the network. 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:20.400 State because this is a way to also you know. 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:26.239 Get crypto into all of these markets, start entering into 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:31.279 trade with other nation states where the points of negotiation 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:36.919 are around regulation, are around taxation, around access to land 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:38.400 and minerals. 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:41.240 So can you describe kind of what does it look 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:43.960 like inside one of these zones, like, for example, like 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:48.200 how do these compare to say, like a special economic zone, 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:50.440 which is the kind of models of this that we've 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:51.440 had traditionally. 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:56.440 Yeah. Absolutely, And you know, the Network State is built 0:04:56.560 --> 0:05:02.640 using special economic zones, so it's really not functionally different 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:05.480 on a lot of different levels. It's more about like 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:09.120 who is using this special economic zone and what do 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:14.400 they want to do with it? And medical experimentation is 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:19.039 actually a huge goal here because you know, again when 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:23.520 we're talking about them getting into medical development, developing all 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:28.160 of these biotech startups, they're facing existing monopolies in the US. 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:29.960 They're also facing the FDA. 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:34.800 The Network State book by Belaji shrina Vasan, who's an 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:39.680 andresen Horowitz like guy for life like he's andresen Horowitz. 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:43.120 One of the main motivations for the Network State is 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:48.040 getting to a place where you can't have any medical regulations. 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:52.200 And so in Honduras they've been doing that. They've been 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:57.320 doing unregulated clinical trials. The doctors in Honduras have been 0:05:57.480 --> 0:06:00.839 organizing to try to shut this down and they haven't 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:04.400 been able to and they're going to have way worse 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:10.600 problems now because Trump just installed a new president install 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:16.359 the president there who is is in support and is 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:20.839 taking the steps to you know support this a special 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:26.200 economic zone called their ZA. But that's that's one of 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:30.359 the big reasons that they're doing it. Their medical offering 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:36.320 is profound. They're doing clinical trials, drug developments, activating clinical 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:45.000 research sites. They're also involved in like insurance software, insurance marketplaces, IVF, longevity, 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:49.000 anti aging, like the whole you know thing. And this 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:52.000 goes back to like when venture capital is entering a 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:55.440 new market now, like they come like locked and loaded 0:06:56.000 --> 0:07:02.159 with a full platform and get in more accelerated clinical 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:06.279 trials is something that is going to move their project 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:11.040 forward significantly. Network state is is a way to accomplish that. 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:14.280 So these these sort of nodes that they're setting up 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:17.480 of these networks stix sites are places where you know, 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:20.360 they've been able to sort of carve out special economic 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:23.320 zone status. That means that like the traditional sort of 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:27.160 regulatory structure of the country simply does not apply. Yes, yeah, 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:29.840 which is very which is in a lot of ways, 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:31.760 and this is like a special economic zone thing in general, 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:34.960 it's like very sort of like fascist state of exception 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:38.400 where like, oh yeah, no, we've just you know, there's 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:40.240 like a crisis in the crisis is that we can't 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:43.680 do like human experimentation, and so we've now created this 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:46.320 zone where just none of the laws apply. It's like 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:50.080 the kind of like evil mirror World Universe version of 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:53.400 like temporary autonomous zones, except it's like what if we 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:56.520 had a permanent zone of fascism where all the laws 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:59.280 didn't apply and we could just do whatever we wanted. 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:06.800 Percent It's also deeply concerning because the obsession with accelerating 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:11.720 clinical innovation, drug innovation, like whatever that is, like at 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:15.560 some point there is a like what makes that stuff 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:20.000 move the fastest, and it's human trials and human experiments, 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:24.360 and the more people that you can shove, the faster 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:27.200 you can shove through medical development. 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:29.760 And that's very concerning. 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:32.439 So to me, I see this as like a recipe 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:35.440 for large scale medical abuse and disaster. 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:38.959 Oh yeah, so yeah, when you when. 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:44.240 You look at them doing these unregulated and unethical medical 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:48.800 experiments and trials in Honduras, and then you see in 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:52.120 this other part of the world in different countries in 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:55.920 Africa that the networks see. It is also targeting that 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:59.960 you know, recently news came out about a very contraver, 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:05.720 virtual and very unethical experiment in Guinea Buso to test 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:12.520 the vaccine timing of epetitis B on fourteen thousand infants. 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:14.520 And the acting director of. 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:19.000 The CDC at the time that this was approved is 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:24.360 Jim o'nill And Jim o'nial is from Peter Thiel's Vender 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:28.960 Capital from myth Roles, and he was also on the 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:32.160 board of the c Studying Institute, which is where a 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:37.160 lot of this sort of network state stuff does come from. 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:42.840 So this is a recipe for like mass scale medical abuse. 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:45.760 And even if you look at like what world Coin, 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:50.000 which is Sam Altman's like eyeball scanning thing like that 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:53.240 is a biotech thing like that starts to get into 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:58.760 the the realm of like medicine and stuff like that. 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:03.559 So you see these sort of forces starting to converge 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:07.440 in these areas, like these aren't infants that they are 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:10.960 doing these babies that they're doing these on. And at 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:16.320 the same time, in that same country, a extremely well 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:20.800 established executive and the network state is looking to build 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:22.479 a network state city. 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:26.600 So you know, getting these sites. 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:29.920 In there into different countries in Africa, they can go 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:33.720 after the precious minerals. They have a labor source there. 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:38.720 They're already exploiting people there for the AI content moration 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:43.200 and tagging and like all of that with disastrous effects. 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:45.880 You also have the really concerning factor of like so 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:49.520 many people in the top of the venture capital like 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:53.960 apparatus are South Africans, and when you just start to 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:59.640 put all those pieces together, it's extremely worrying. One of 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:04.120 the enter capital mining startups because now they have multiple 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:09.600 mining startups. Discovered the largest discovery of copper in ten 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:14.760 years from computers in Berkeley, and then they showed up 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:17.000 in Zambia. 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:20.679 Oh God, to start extracting the copper. 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:26.160 So you know, the network state opens up these countries 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:31.839 to like this new era of like exploited labor, mineral harvesting, 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:37.440 medical experiments, and the network state gives them a way 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:40.559 to get into a country and start exploiting the fuck. 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:42.839 Out of it. Yeah, it's corporate colonization. 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:44.240 Yeah period. 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:46.800 You know, it's a bunch of these people going like, oh, 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:48.560 the problem with the East India company was that they 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:52.520 actually had to like run the country, which is really expensive. 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:54.960 So what if instead of that we just took over 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:57.600 like the nodes that we wanted to use and then 0:11:57.720 --> 0:12:00.120 use that to push everything sort of further. And that 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:05.600 of like building a giant army and marching through India. 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:11.080 One hundred percent, and you know, the labor exploitation that 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:14.120 is like developing some of this stuff that we're starting 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:17.480 to see where like you know, venture Capital has a 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:21.280 very close relationship with bou Kelly and Al Salvador. Yeah, 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:24.840 bou Kelly is sitting on a prison full of people 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:28.400 that haven't had due process and he's now using them 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:32.720 for free labor, slave labor. 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:35.720 This is the Seacot person that you might remember, like 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:38.760 Trump had been deporting people here, and this place is 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:44.320 just unbelievably hideous abuses. Yeah, it's an entire facility that 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:48.839 is just dedicated to inflicting violence and suffering and humiliation 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:53.160 on these people who have no trials, have no access 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:57.080 to rights through legal system, and it's just this like 0:12:57.559 --> 0:12:58.760 nightmare black hole. 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:13.760 Yes, you know, there's always lots of factors involved when 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:16.600 I talk about stuff like I'm talking about the venture 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:21.199 capital aspect, and there are other players involved, but one 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:25.640 of the big things is like what happens when venture 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:31.560 capital starts interacting with another country, and what we see 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:37.080 in Latin America is that they make contact with hunterists, 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:40.840 they set up a colony, they start terrorizing the people 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:46.960 on the island, They become material actors in installing an 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:52.440 illegitimate president with Trump's help. And then you know, they 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:56.960 make contact with El Salvador and El Salvador becomes quote 0:13:57.040 --> 0:14:01.560 unquote bitcoin country, and El Salvador becomes a prison state 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:05.600 and like a slave labor state. In Argentina, same things 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:09.199 the venture capitalists back to Malay, to the absolute health. 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:15.600 Malay is now gutted to government, deregulated everything. He is 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:20.120 putting these terrible labor abuse policies through. 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:21.800 So when. 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:26.880 Venture capital contacts these countries, it is transforming them, is 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:30.800 changing them. It's changing their politicians, it's changing their policies, 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:35.000 it's changing their land, it's changing their financial system. And 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:38.320 that is really concerning. And you know, one of the 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:41.840 things about the venture capital model, this goes back to 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:45.320 even just the fact that like they have operated global 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:49.600 IT systems, so they have servers everywhere in the world, 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:54.240 and all of the servers are exactly the same. And 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:56.600 so when you look at what the network state is 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:58.680 going to look like it's going to be very similar. 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:01.600 It's going to be the same thing everywhere, and those 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:04.040 will be basically commanding control nodes. 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:07.240 Yeah, and it seems like they've done a very very 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:12.360 good job of kind of either subverting or like allying 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:16.520 with factions of the traditional sort of like right wing 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:20.480 elite and then you know, propelling them to power and 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:22.680 then using their power and influence and the fact that 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:24.280 they were able to get these people into power in 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:27.440 the first place to sort of set up zones of 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:31.320 extraction for them and increase their power inside of these states. 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:32.440 One thousand percent. 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:35.200 And you know, if you look at how much they've 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:39.360 been able to compromise the American government. 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:42.080 Yeah, and then these. 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:46.880 Countries do not have the wealth, the infrastructure of that, 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:50.880 you know, anything like that, they're so vulnerable to this 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:54.040 type of attack. So if in order to get its 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:59.280 global projects done, Venture Capital needs to install favorable politicians 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:03.600 all over the world world. They're offering packages to all 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:08.360 of those politicians. They're offering the money, the social media 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:12.880 attention and platform that they can give them. They're giving 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:17.000 them an economic policy that they can go forward and say, 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:21.080 we're going to turn this country into like a technology industry, 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:24.320 and we're going to bring all this foreign investment blah 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:27.920 blah blah. You know, they can really just like hand 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:32.160 pick politicians and pretty easily like set them up with 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:37.320 a guaranteed win and over time that's like a global 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:38.840 tech fascist access. 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:41.760 Yeah. And one of the things that we know about 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:45.800 sort of the way that fascist state construction works is 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:47.760 that if you're constructing, you've constructed a bunch of these 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:51.240 nodes of this sort of this fascist network state. But 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:53.800 fascist states always need to sort of create an enemy 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:58.160 for themselves, and that enemy has been China. So do 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:00.520 you want to talk about the way that they've been 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:04.960 seeing Belton Road and how they've turned this into a 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:06.520 civilizational conflict. 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:10.960 One hundred percent. You know, if you listen to what 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:15.000 venture kapitalists say about who the enemy is, like, it 0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:21.800 is China. They talk literally constantly about China. Almost all 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:26.120 of their startups in every single sector talk about China 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:29.800 all of the time, but particularly in the weapons part 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:35.200 of that and the premise of their military build out. 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:38.600 What they say is that this is about China, and 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:41.959 this is about fighting China, and this is very serious 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:45.280 to them, and the fundamental cause is like their technology 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:49.680 competing with China's technology, and actually venture capitalis would admit 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:52.040 that China has better technology than us and that they're 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:55.760 ahead of us, so this is a crisis for them. 0:17:56.359 --> 0:17:58.000 This is all in some set's very silly to me, 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:00.600 the girl, the girl who studies China, because it's like 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:03.720 all the tiniest tech people you're competing against, like believe 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:05.959 like ninety five percent of the same shit you do. 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:09.240 All of you could simply work together and make money forever, 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:13.720 but instead you've decided to do this, like, oh god, 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:17.080 this like unhinged genocidal military build up because like you 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:20.320 needed a great enemy in order to like keep doing 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:26.080 your being fascist bullshit. Oh god. 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:27.600 Yeah. 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:31.240 And like via absolute worst case scenario for the world 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:35.280 would probably be like the top technocratic elite from China 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:38.720 and the top technocratic elite from the US deciding they 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:41.920 were gonna work together and just fucking literally everyone else 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:42.760 in the world. 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:45.960 Like yeah, it's like they were like all the road 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:47.719 to doing that. It was like like this is like 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:50.200 like trying to wto integration. Like this was a thing. 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:52.800 This this was like a version of history they could 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:55.199 have had where it's like, yeah, congratulations, you've created like 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:58.800 permanent technocratic rule, but like no, no, eat shit, we 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:03.639 want to fight each other for obscure and nebulous ideological reasons. 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:06.600 Is to generate the sort of fear necessary to do 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:09.840 their projects. It's just like, oh my god. 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:17.199 Yeah, one thousand percent. It's very it's very strange. But 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:21.320 you know, like Palmer Lucky who you know, and Palmer Lucky, 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:23.800 like people make fun of a lot of the tech 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:27.400 people for being dumb, and like Palmer Lucky is absolutely 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:31.960 not dumb. Like he is a very very smart person 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:35.480 and he's spending every single moment of every single day 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:38.600 figuring out how to defeat China. And that's the case 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:42.400 for his entire company. But this, this is an issue 0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:46.600 for them. It's shaping sort of the dialectic. And so 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:49.920 within this the net, where is the network staying this well, 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:55.080 China's Belt and Rode initiative is creating infrastructure projects and 0:19:55.280 --> 0:20:00.640 nation state alliances across Latin America and across Africa for China, 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:05.480 and you see the network state really investing in Latin 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:09.159 America and Africa as while so certainly, one way to 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:14.840 conceptualize this is as the Network State is a counter 0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:19.520 to Belt and Road and it is part of their 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:23.640 cold war with China which is playing out across all 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:25.000 of these regions. 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:28.080 Yeah, and it's another thing where it's just like I 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:31.119 have seen how both how both of these groups treat 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:34.280 the workers in Africa that they're employing. Like both of 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:37.680 you two believe the same shit. You're both fucking racist 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:41.000 doing colonialism, but like you've decided to drag the entire 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:46.160 fucking world into your like oh God, okay, I'm gonna 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:48.719 I'm gonna tell one China racism story here because we've 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:52.159 be getting an enormous amount of American racism, Like like 0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:54.480 this is this is a country where like, like China's 0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:56.320 a country where like you get soap ads where like 0:20:56.560 --> 0:20:59.080 you have a black person and they like rub their 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:02.119 skin with soap and they like turn white. This is 0:21:02.119 --> 0:21:04.000 like the kind of racism you're dealing with. One of 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:07.000 the big ecological moments in China was there's a documentary 0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:09.280 called Under the Dome. So we're gonna get a little 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:11.000 bit far field here, but this I think matters a 0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:14.040 lot in terms of why this is happening. The CCP 0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:17.199 allowed this woman who'd been a state broadcaster like a 0:21:17.400 --> 0:21:21.040 television personality like broadcaster for a long time, she had 0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:23.040 a kid, so she was taking time off. This is 0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:25.199 like the early twenty tens, like the height of like 0:21:25.280 --> 0:21:27.879 air pollution in China, and she does this like giant 0:21:27.960 --> 0:21:30.679 documentary about air pollution. It's allowed to stay on the 0:21:30.680 --> 0:21:32.760 internet for like a couple of days before it's taken down. 0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:35.280 And one of the big points of this is that 0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:37.879 part of the reason that pollution is so bad is 0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:39.600 that there are all of these cars in China that 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:41.639 don't meet Chinese emission standards for being sold to the 0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:44.639 Chinese market, and the reason they're producing these cars is 0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:47.719 that they specifically have an entire class of cars that 0:21:47.840 --> 0:21:51.280 are like way way way more pollutant and shittier that 0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:54.119 they specifically designed to sell to Africa. Like it's like 0:21:54.160 --> 0:21:56.840 that kind of like structure of racism, right, and it's like, 0:21:57.320 --> 0:21:59.320 you know, it's just like the sort of horror show 0:21:59.359 --> 0:22:03.760 of like watch these two just like different versions of 0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:07.280 this sort of like nightmare colonialism entity where you know, 0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:10.320 like China is trying to find a way to reproduce 0:22:10.359 --> 0:22:12.879 its own capital as its growth rate like slows, and 0:22:12.920 --> 0:22:14.680 the networks that people, you know, I have that also 0:22:14.680 --> 0:22:16.600 had this project of like we want to sort of 0:22:16.640 --> 0:22:18.720 install our own version of fascism here, and they're just 0:22:18.760 --> 0:22:21.960 sort of like building these like parallel networks against each 0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:26.120 other just like I don't know, it makes me so 0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:30.159 miserable that so many people are getting fucked by just 0:22:30.240 --> 0:22:32.679 like the global capitalist superpowers and the way that like 0:22:33.480 --> 0:22:36.160 venture capital money has become a political force that can 0:22:36.960 --> 0:22:41.440 do their own unbelievably like probably more hideously fucked versions 0:22:41.480 --> 0:22:43.800 of what Chinese capital has been able to do. 0:22:44.200 --> 0:22:46.880 Yeah, I think, you know, at the end of the day, 0:22:47.000 --> 0:22:50.200 that's where where we need to come back to, is 0:22:50.280 --> 0:22:54.320 like this is about capitalism, like this about colonialism, it's 0:22:54.320 --> 0:22:59.959 about like imperialism, and like we fight this at that level, 0:23:00.320 --> 0:23:04.600 at the level of structural analysis, of historical analysis, of 0:23:04.640 --> 0:23:10.639 like full analysis, of unflinching analysis, and that that is 0:23:10.680 --> 0:23:14.760 the only way to get out of this situation that 0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:15.400 we're in. 0:23:15.880 --> 0:23:18.560 Yeah, is to understand what is actually happening at a 0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:23.000 structural level and understand the actual forces that are operating 0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:28.840 instead of the big, flashy name people who the spotlight 0:23:28.880 --> 0:23:29.400 has been on. 0:23:30.400 --> 0:23:33.399 Yeah, that is one of the few things that makes 0:23:33.400 --> 0:23:36.679 me excited about venture capital because like, here is a 0:23:36.800 --> 0:23:43.479 lens where we can actually see capitalism in a live, 0:23:43.920 --> 0:23:50.200 moving and active, dynamic, destructive, very much visible. You can 0:23:50.240 --> 0:23:53.359 see this, you can see it happening, and that is 0:23:53.400 --> 0:24:07.199 like such an opportunity to wrap up the network state stuff. So, 0:24:08.000 --> 0:24:10.960 you know, a lot, a lot is sort of said 0:24:11.000 --> 0:24:14.600 about this being their own state, which it absolutely is. 0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:18.200 It leads to that, but once you add up these 0:24:19.160 --> 0:24:23.040 pieces of them having land and them having cities, and 0:24:23.080 --> 0:24:27.400 then they're racism. So they think that they're better than everyone, 0:24:27.480 --> 0:24:31.760 and they're like misogyny and like their wealth and them 0:24:31.880 --> 0:24:37.160 being sort of in their own kind of category which 0:24:37.200 --> 0:24:41.400 also has all of the different sort of pieces of civilization. 0:24:41.600 --> 0:24:44.800 Like out of that they derive both. 0:24:44.560 --> 0:24:50.000 An identity and like a drive for civilization building. And 0:24:50.119 --> 0:24:55.159 so one thing that people talk about a lot is eugenics, 0:24:55.280 --> 0:24:58.959 and like eugenics beliefs sort of in the tech class, 0:24:59.000 --> 0:25:03.159 but we are so far beyond that and into an 0:25:03.240 --> 0:25:08.399 actual eugenics project where venture capitalists are encouraging the tech 0:25:08.440 --> 0:25:12.480 class to create more and more babies. They are creating 0:25:12.640 --> 0:25:21.480 a dizzying number of fertility startups IVF genetic screening, you know, 0:25:21.720 --> 0:25:26.760 engineering of the genome like all of these different areas, 0:25:27.320 --> 0:25:31.240 and they see Israel as the example of that because 0:25:31.880 --> 0:25:36.120