Speaker 1: Al Zone Media.
Speaker 2: Welcome to It could Happen here, the podcast where it's
Speaker 2: happening both here and everywhere else. I am your host
Speaker 2: Fo Wong, and today we're talking about the it being
Speaker 2: the fascist network state that the all of these ventured
Speaker 2: capital tech ghouls are trying to set up. And with
Speaker 2: you once again to talk about this is Shaneley, who
Speaker 2: is one of the contributors and people behind VC Infodox,
Speaker 2: which is one of the best resources about these bloodthirsty tyrants. Shy,
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you for having me again.
Speaker 2: I constantly have these moments where it's like, oh great,
Speaker 2: I'm talking to people who are really cool, and I
Speaker 2: really wish I was talking to them about literally anything else,
Speaker 2: because oh my god, this stuff sucks. Like please please
Speaker 2: cause the end of this system, so I could talk
Speaker 2: to people about things that are good instead of things
Speaker 2: that are nightmarish.
Speaker 4: My dream is to not wake up every single more
Speaker 4: the first thing I think about is Winter Capital.
Speaker 3: I think about it every second.
Speaker 4: Of every day, and then that's when I go to
Speaker 4: sleep thinking about and then that is also sometimes what
Speaker 4: I dream about, which is unfortunate.
Speaker 2: You know, we've all been there, We've all been there.
Speaker 2: Oh god, So speaking of things all being in places, Look,
Speaker 2: they pay me the mediocre box if youel a better
Speaker 2: transition more. But you know, let's get into what the
Speaker 2: network state actually is, because I think it's something that
Speaker 2: is not understood particularly well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: So again, this kind of comes in what we're talking
Speaker 4: about last episode, that kind of people's ideas about what
Speaker 4: these projects are not necessarily like fully fully formed. And
Speaker 4: I think a lot of people think that the network
Speaker 4: state is just kind of like them going to do
Speaker 4: weird shit, which yes, that's that's part of it. But
Speaker 4: I think something that you know, people don't really see
Speaker 4: is how how many purposes that the network state sites
Speaker 4: have for them. You know, the network state is basically
Speaker 4: creating zones around the world where they can execute their projects.
Speaker 3: So you know, some of.
Speaker 4: These are more of the like ideological projects like maybe
Speaker 4: like practice or something like that.
Speaker 3: But you also see network state.
Speaker 4: Sites that are very focused on being like industrial centers,
Speaker 4: manufacturing centers, you know, biotech and startup development where they
Speaker 4: can get away from regulations, where they can sort of
Speaker 4: benefit from like co development on a campus.
Speaker 3: You know, you have sort of.
Speaker 4: New city ideas like California forever, you have network state
Speaker 4: sites that the only thing they're doing right now is
Speaker 4: they're registering startups to operate in different countries and favorable terms.
Speaker 4: You have a whole sort of bunch of different versions
Speaker 4: of this, so it's a very like extensible concept for them.
Speaker 4: I think some other you know, interesting properties of the
Speaker 4: network state is that it can become like a point
Speaker 4: of sort of negotiation with the with the host country.
Speaker 4: Like one of the points of the network state is
Speaker 4: to open up a country to the cryptocurrency markets, to
Speaker 4: mining markets, to you know, just the different biotech markets.
Speaker 4: This is a way of them getting into a country
Speaker 4: like kind of on their own terms, which I think
Speaker 4: is a big, big function of it. A lot of
Speaker 4: it has to do with crypto adoption, because if they're
Speaker 4: going to make cryptocurrency work, they need it to be
Speaker 4: adopted around the world. And this is why coinbase is
Speaker 4: making such extreme investments in the network.
Speaker 3: State because this is a way to also you know.
Speaker 4: Get crypto into all of these markets, start entering into
Speaker 4: trade with other nation states where the points of negotiation
Speaker 4: are around regulation, are around taxation, around access to land
Speaker 4: and minerals.
Speaker 2: So can you describe kind of what does it look
Speaker 2: like inside one of these zones, like, for example, like
Speaker 2: how do these compare to say, like a special economic zone,
Speaker 2: which is the kind of models of this that we've
Speaker 2: had traditionally.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely, And you know, the Network State is built
Speaker 4: using special economic zones, so it's really not functionally different
Speaker 4: on a lot of different levels. It's more about like
Speaker 4: who is using this special economic zone and what do
Speaker 4: they want to do with it? And medical experimentation is
Speaker 4: actually a huge goal here because you know, again when
Speaker 4: we're talking about them getting into medical development, developing all
Speaker 4: of these biotech startups, they're facing existing monopolies in the US.
Speaker 3: They're also facing the FDA.
Speaker 4: The Network State book by Belaji shrina Vasan, who's an
Speaker 4: andresen Horowitz like guy for life like he's andresen Horowitz.
Speaker 4: One of the main motivations for the Network State is
Speaker 4: getting to a place where you can't have any medical regulations.
Speaker 4: And so in Honduras they've been doing that. They've been
Speaker 4: doing unregulated clinical trials. The doctors in Honduras have been
Speaker 4: organizing to try to shut this down and they haven't
Speaker 4: been able to and they're going to have way worse
Speaker 4: problems now because Trump just installed a new president install
Speaker 4: the president there who is is in support and is
Speaker 4: taking the steps to you know support this a special
Speaker 4: economic zone called their ZA. But that's that's one of
Speaker 4: the big reasons that they're doing it. Their medical offering
Speaker 4: is profound. They're doing clinical trials, drug developments, activating clinical
Speaker 4: research sites. They're also involved in like insurance software, insurance marketplaces, IVF, longevity,
Speaker 4: anti aging, like the whole you know thing. And this
Speaker 4: goes back to like when venture capital is entering a
Speaker 4: new market now, like they come like locked and loaded
Speaker 4: with a full platform and get in more accelerated clinical
Speaker 4: trials is something that is going to move their project
Speaker 4: forward significantly. Network state is is a way to accomplish that.
Speaker 2: So these these sort of nodes that they're setting up
Speaker 2: of these networks stix sites are places where you know,
Speaker 2: they've been able to sort of carve out special economic
Speaker 2: zone status. That means that like the traditional sort of
Speaker 2: regulatory structure of the country simply does not apply. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: which is very which is in a lot of ways,
Speaker 2: and this is like a special economic zone thing in general,
Speaker 2: it's like very sort of like fascist state of exception
Speaker 2: where like, oh yeah, no, we've just you know, there's
Speaker 2: like a crisis in the crisis is that we can't
Speaker 2: do like human experimentation, and so we've now created this
Speaker 2: zone where just none of the laws apply. It's like
Speaker 2: the kind of like evil mirror World Universe version of
Speaker 2: like temporary autonomous zones, except it's like what if we
Speaker 2: had a permanent zone of fascism where all the laws
Speaker 2: didn't apply and we could just do whatever we wanted.
Speaker 4: Percent It's also deeply concerning because the obsession with accelerating
Speaker 4: clinical innovation, drug innovation, like whatever that is, like at
Speaker 4: some point there is a like what makes that stuff
Speaker 4: move the fastest, and it's human trials and human experiments,
Speaker 4: and the more people that you can shove, the faster
Speaker 4: you can shove through medical development.
Speaker 3: And that's very concerning.
Speaker 4: So to me, I see this as like a recipe
Speaker 4: for large scale medical abuse and disaster.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so yeah, when you when.
Speaker 4: You look at them doing these unregulated and unethical medical
Speaker 4: experiments and trials in Honduras, and then you see in
Speaker 4: this other part of the world in different countries in
Speaker 4: Africa that the networks see. It is also targeting that
Speaker 4: you know, recently news came out about a very contraver,
Speaker 4: virtual and very unethical experiment in Guinea Buso to test
Speaker 4: the vaccine timing of epetitis B on fourteen thousand infants.
Speaker 3: And the acting director of.
Speaker 4: The CDC at the time that this was approved is
Speaker 4: Jim o'nill And Jim o'nial is from Peter Thiel's Vender
Speaker 4: Capital from myth Roles, and he was also on the
Speaker 4: board of the c Studying Institute, which is where a
Speaker 4: lot of this sort of network state stuff does come from.
Speaker 4: So this is a recipe for like mass scale medical abuse.
Speaker 4: And even if you look at like what world Coin,
Speaker 4: which is Sam Altman's like eyeball scanning thing like that
Speaker 4: is a biotech thing like that starts to get into
Speaker 4: the the realm of like medicine and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: So you see these sort of forces starting to converge
Speaker 4: in these areas, like these aren't infants that they are
Speaker 4: doing these babies that they're doing these on. And at
Speaker 4: the same time, in that same country, a extremely well
Speaker 4: established executive and the network state is looking to build
Speaker 4: a network state city.
Speaker 3: So you know, getting these sites.
Speaker 4: In there into different countries in Africa, they can go
Speaker 4: after the precious minerals. They have a labor source there.
Speaker 4: They're already exploiting people there for the AI content moration
Speaker 4: and tagging and like all of that with disastrous effects.
Speaker 4: You also have the really concerning factor of like so
Speaker 4: many people in the top of the venture capital like
Speaker 4: apparatus are South Africans, and when you just start to
Speaker 4: put all those pieces together, it's extremely worrying. One of
Speaker 4: the enter capital mining startups because now they have multiple
Speaker 4: mining startups. Discovered the largest discovery of copper in ten
Speaker 4: years from computers in Berkeley, and then they showed up
Speaker 4: in Zambia.
Speaker 3: Oh God, to start extracting the copper.
Speaker 4: So you know, the network state opens up these countries
Speaker 4: to like this new era of like exploited labor, mineral harvesting,
Speaker 4: medical experiments, and the network state gives them a way
Speaker 4: to get into a country and start exploiting the fuck.
Speaker 2: Out of it. Yeah, it's corporate colonization.
Speaker 3: Yeah period.
Speaker 2: You know, it's a bunch of these people going like, oh,
Speaker 2: the problem with the East India company was that they
Speaker 2: actually had to like run the country, which is really expensive.
Speaker 2: So what if instead of that we just took over
Speaker 2: like the nodes that we wanted to use and then
Speaker 2: use that to push everything sort of further. And that
Speaker 2: of like building a giant army and marching through India.
Speaker 4: One hundred percent, and you know, the labor exploitation that
Speaker 4: is like developing some of this stuff that we're starting
Speaker 4: to see where like you know, venture Capital has a
Speaker 4: very close relationship with bou Kelly and Al Salvador. Yeah,
Speaker 4: bou Kelly is sitting on a prison full of people
Speaker 4: that haven't had due process and he's now using them
Speaker 4: for free labor, slave labor.
Speaker 2: This is the Seacot person that you might remember, like
Speaker 2: Trump had been deporting people here, and this place is
Speaker 2: just unbelievably hideous abuses. Yeah, it's an entire facility that
Speaker 2: is just dedicated to inflicting violence and suffering and humiliation
Speaker 2: on these people who have no trials, have no access
Speaker 2: to rights through legal system, and it's just this like
Speaker 2: nightmare black hole.
Speaker 4: Yes, you know, there's always lots of factors involved when
Speaker 4: I talk about stuff like I'm talking about the venture
Speaker 4: capital aspect, and there are other players involved, but one
Speaker 4: of the big things is like what happens when venture
Speaker 4: capital starts interacting with another country, and what we see
Speaker 4: in Latin America is that they make contact with hunterists,
Speaker 4: they set up a colony, they start terrorizing the people
Speaker 4: on the island, They become material actors in installing an
Speaker 4: illegitimate president with Trump's help. And then you know, they
Speaker 4: make contact with El Salvador and El Salvador becomes quote
Speaker 4: unquote bitcoin country, and El Salvador becomes a prison state
Speaker 4: and like a slave labor state. In Argentina, same things
Speaker 4: the venture capitalists back to Malay, to the absolute health.
Speaker 4: Malay is now gutted to government, deregulated everything. He is
Speaker 4: putting these terrible labor abuse policies through.
Speaker 3: So when.
Speaker 4: Venture capital contacts these countries, it is transforming them, is
Speaker 4: changing them. It's changing their politicians, it's changing their policies,
Speaker 4: it's changing their land, it's changing their financial system. And
Speaker 4: that is really concerning. And you know, one of the
Speaker 4: things about the venture capital model, this goes back to
Speaker 4: even just the fact that like they have operated global
Speaker 4: IT systems, so they have servers everywhere in the world,
Speaker 4: and all of the servers are exactly the same. And
Speaker 4: so when you look at what the network state is
Speaker 4: going to look like it's going to be very similar.
Speaker 4: It's going to be the same thing everywhere, and those
Speaker 4: will be basically commanding control nodes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it seems like they've done a very very
Speaker 2: good job of kind of either subverting or like allying
Speaker 2: with factions of the traditional sort of like right wing
Speaker 2: elite and then you know, propelling them to power and
Speaker 2: then using their power and influence and the fact that
Speaker 2: they were able to get these people into power in
Speaker 2: the first place to sort of set up zones of
Speaker 2: extraction for them and increase their power inside of these states.
Speaker 3: One thousand percent.
Speaker 4: And you know, if you look at how much they've
Speaker 4: been able to compromise the American government.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then these.
Speaker 4: Countries do not have the wealth, the infrastructure of that,
Speaker 4: you know, anything like that, they're so vulnerable to this
Speaker 4: type of attack. So if in order to get its
Speaker 4: global projects done, Venture Capital needs to install favorable politicians
Speaker 4: all over the world world. They're offering packages to all
Speaker 4: of those politicians. They're offering the money, the social media
Speaker 4: attention and platform that they can give them. They're giving
Speaker 4: them an economic policy that they can go forward and say,
Speaker 4: we're going to turn this country into like a technology industry,
Speaker 4: and we're going to bring all this foreign investment blah
Speaker 4: blah blah. You know, they can really just like hand
Speaker 4: pick politicians and pretty easily like set them up with
Speaker 4: a guaranteed win and over time that's like a global
Speaker 4: tech fascist access.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And one of the things that we know about
Speaker 2: sort of the way that fascist state construction works is
Speaker 2: that if you're constructing, you've constructed a bunch of these
Speaker 2: nodes of this sort of this fascist network state. But
Speaker 2: fascist states always need to sort of create an enemy
Speaker 2: for themselves, and that enemy has been China. So do
Speaker 2: you want to talk about the way that they've been
Speaker 2: seeing Belton Road and how they've turned this into a
Speaker 2: civilizational conflict.
Speaker 4: One hundred percent. You know, if you listen to what
Speaker 4: venture kapitalists say about who the enemy is, like, it
Speaker 4: is China. They talk literally constantly about China. Almost all
Speaker 4: of their startups in every single sector talk about China
Speaker 4: all of the time, but particularly in the weapons part
Speaker 4: of that and the premise of their military build out.
Speaker 4: What they say is that this is about China, and
Speaker 4: this is about fighting China, and this is very serious
Speaker 4: to them, and the fundamental cause is like their technology
Speaker 4: competing with China's technology, and actually venture capitalis would admit
Speaker 4: that China has better technology than us and that they're
Speaker 4: ahead of us, so this is a crisis for them.
Speaker 2: This is all in some set's very silly to me,
Speaker 2: the girl, the girl who studies China, because it's like
Speaker 2: all the tiniest tech people you're competing against, like believe
Speaker 2: like ninety five percent of the same shit you do.
Speaker 2: All of you could simply work together and make money forever,
Speaker 2: but instead you've decided to do this, like, oh god,
Speaker 2: this like unhinged genocidal military build up because like you
Speaker 2: needed a great enemy in order to like keep doing
Speaker 2: your being fascist bullshit. Oh god.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And like via absolute worst case scenario for the world
Speaker 4: would probably be like the top technocratic elite from China
Speaker 4: and the top technocratic elite from the US deciding they
Speaker 4: were gonna work together and just fucking literally everyone else
Speaker 4: in the world.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, it's like they were like all the road
Speaker 2: to doing that. It was like like this is like
Speaker 2: like trying to wto integration. Like this was a thing.
Speaker 2: This this was like a version of history they could
Speaker 2: have had where it's like, yeah, congratulations, you've created like
Speaker 2: permanent technocratic rule, but like no, no, eat shit, we
Speaker 2: want to fight each other for obscure and nebulous ideological reasons.
Speaker 2: Is to generate the sort of fear necessary to do
Speaker 2: their projects. It's just like, oh my god.
Speaker 4: Yeah, one thousand percent. It's very it's very strange. But
Speaker 4: you know, like Palmer Lucky who you know, and Palmer Lucky,
Speaker 4: like people make fun of a lot of the tech
Speaker 4: people for being dumb, and like Palmer Lucky is absolutely
Speaker 4: not dumb. Like he is a very very smart person
Speaker 4: and he's spending every single moment of every single day
Speaker 4: figuring out how to defeat China. And that's the case
Speaker 4: for his entire company. But this, this is an issue
Speaker 4: for them. It's shaping sort of the dialectic. And so
Speaker 4: within this the net, where is the network staying this well,
Speaker 4: China's Belt and Rode initiative is creating infrastructure projects and
Speaker 4: nation state alliances across Latin America and across Africa for China,
Speaker 4: and you see the network state really investing in Latin
Speaker 4: America and Africa as while so certainly, one way to
Speaker 4: conceptualize this is as the Network State is a counter
Speaker 4: to Belt and Road and it is part of their
Speaker 4: cold war with China which is playing out across all
Speaker 4: of these regions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's another thing where it's just like I
Speaker 2: have seen how both how both of these groups treat
Speaker 2: the workers in Africa that they're employing. Like both of
Speaker 2: you two believe the same shit. You're both fucking racist
Speaker 2: doing colonialism, but like you've decided to drag the entire
Speaker 2: fucking world into your like oh God, okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell one China racism story here because we've
Speaker 2: be getting an enormous amount of American racism, Like like
Speaker 2: this is this is a country where like, like China's
Speaker 2: a country where like you get soap ads where like
Speaker 2: you have a black person and they like rub their
Speaker 2: skin with soap and they like turn white. This is
Speaker 2: like the kind of racism you're dealing with. One of
Speaker 2: the big ecological moments in China was there's a documentary
Speaker 2: called Under the Dome. So we're gonna get a little
Speaker 2: bit far field here, but this I think matters a
Speaker 2: lot in terms of why this is happening. The CCP
Speaker 2: allowed this woman who'd been a state broadcaster like a
Speaker 2: television personality like broadcaster for a long time, she had
Speaker 2: a kid, so she was taking time off. This is
Speaker 2: like the early twenty tens, like the height of like
Speaker 2: air pollution in China, and she does this like giant
Speaker 2: documentary about air pollution. It's allowed to stay on the
Speaker 2: internet for like a couple of days before it's taken down.
Speaker 2: And one of the big points of this is that
Speaker 2: part of the reason that pollution is so bad is
Speaker 2: that there are all of these cars in China that
Speaker 2: don't meet Chinese emission standards for being sold to the
Speaker 2: Chinese market, and the reason they're producing these cars is
Speaker 2: that they specifically have an entire class of cars that
Speaker 2: are like way way way more pollutant and shittier that
Speaker 2: they specifically designed to sell to Africa. Like it's like
Speaker 2: that kind of like structure of racism, right, and it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, it's just like the sort of horror show
Speaker 2: of like watch these two just like different versions of
Speaker 2: this sort of like nightmare colonialism entity where you know,
Speaker 2: like China is trying to find a way to reproduce
Speaker 2: its own capital as its growth rate like slows, and
Speaker 2: the networks that people, you know, I have that also
Speaker 2: had this project of like we want to sort of
Speaker 2: install our own version of fascism here, and they're just
Speaker 2: sort of like building these like parallel networks against each
Speaker 2: other just like I don't know, it makes me so
Speaker 2: miserable that so many people are getting fucked by just
Speaker 2: like the global capitalist superpowers and the way that like
Speaker 2: venture capital money has become a political force that can
Speaker 2: do their own unbelievably like probably more hideously fucked versions
Speaker 2: of what Chinese capital has been able to do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, you know, at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: that's where where we need to come back to, is
Speaker 4: like this is about capitalism, like this about colonialism, it's
Speaker 4: about like imperialism, and like we fight this at that level,
Speaker 4: at the level of structural analysis, of historical analysis, of
Speaker 4: like full analysis, of unflinching analysis, and that that is
Speaker 4: the only way to get out of this situation that
Speaker 4: we're in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is to understand what is actually happening at a
Speaker 2: structural level and understand the actual forces that are operating
Speaker 2: instead of the big, flashy name people who the spotlight
Speaker 2: has been on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is one of the few things that makes
Speaker 4: me excited about venture capital because like, here is a
Speaker 4: lens where we can actually see capitalism in a live,
Speaker 4: moving and active, dynamic, destructive, very much visible. You can
Speaker 4: see this, you can see it happening, and that is
Speaker 4: like such an opportunity to wrap up the network state stuff. So,
Speaker 4: you know, a lot, a lot is sort of said
Speaker 4: about this being their own state, which it absolutely is.
Speaker 4: It leads to that, but once you add up these
Speaker 4: pieces of them having land and them having cities, and
Speaker 4: then they're racism. So they think that they're better than everyone,
Speaker 4: and they're like misogyny and like their wealth and them
Speaker 4: being sort of in their own kind of category which
Speaker 4: also has all of the different sort of pieces of civilization.
Speaker 3: Like out of that they derive both.
Speaker 4: An identity and like a drive for civilization building. And
Speaker 4: so one thing that people talk about a lot is eugenics,
Speaker 4: and like eugenics beliefs sort of in the tech class,
Speaker 4: but we are so far beyond that and into an
Speaker 4: actual eugenics project where venture capitalists are encouraging the tech
Speaker 4: class to create more and more babies. They are creating
Speaker 4: a dizzying number of fertility startups IVF genetic screening, you know,
Speaker 4: engineering of the genome like all of these different areas,
Speaker 4: and they see Israel as the example of that because
Speaker 4: the Israeli fertility rate is really high despite it being
Speaker 4: a technocratic This is there where it's not mine. Yeah,
Speaker 4: just to be clear, this is what they say. They
Speaker 4: say Israel is aspirational because it's the technocratic state where
Speaker 4: they have a really high birth rate, and that that
Speaker 4: is what they want to emulate, you know, through the
Speaker 4: network state, and they want to you know, selectively breed,
Speaker 4: and they want to use these technologies to breed and hyperbreed.
Speaker 3: And one of the tech philosophers that.
Speaker 4: Should actually get way more intention than Curtis Yarvin but
Speaker 4: doesn't is Nick Land. And nick Land basically yeah, but
Speaker 4: nick Land's one of his main thing is that a
Speaker 4: small elite will use eugenics technology to rapidly outpace the
Speaker 4: rest of the world to such an extent that it
Speaker 4: creates basically.
Speaker 3: Like a new species in.
Speaker 4: That sense, I see, you know, ideology being something that
Speaker 4: emerges out of all of this other things that they're doing.
Speaker 3: They do all of this crazy shit.
Speaker 4: They have all this economic stuff going on, you know,
Speaker 4: they have all this medical stuff going on, and then
Speaker 4: what comes out of that is this is our civilization.
Speaker 4: We are going to breed to populate this civilization, and
Speaker 4: we are going to surpass the rest of humanity which
Speaker 4: we lolls in, which we see as lab rats and
Speaker 4: guinea pigs and vermin and scum.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's the situation where like like this is
Speaker 2: like a thing that a lot of the worst right
Speaker 2: wingers have believed for a long time. But these people
Speaker 2: control vast sections of the global economy. And because they
Speaker 2: do that whatever like unhinged like racist eugenic breeding project
Speaker 2: thing they want to do, they could just do it
Speaker 2: because they have the capital to like actually create these things.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, like obviously they're not going to be
Speaker 2: able to successfully like create a super race or whatever,
Speaker 2: because like that's just digenics doesn't work, right, Like but
Speaker 2: like it's you know, but like it doesn't matter. They
Speaker 2: have achieved a level of power and a level of capital.
Speaker 2: Where like the actual quote behind the reality based community thing,
Speaker 2: where for the Bush administration, we're like the thing that
Speaker 2: got into like the media was like calling their roles
Speaker 2: the reality based community. The actual quote is about how
Speaker 2: liberals observe reality and conservatives create it, and so they're
Speaker 2: trying to just hammer reality into their preferred shape through
Speaker 2: this combination of wealth and violence. And because of that, Yeah,
Speaker 2: they can just fucking do this, all of this like
Speaker 2: eugenic shit that people just talk about. They can just
Speaker 2: attempt to do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 4: It's they're telling their workers to have more children. They
Speaker 4: are doing their own school programs, elite schools for these kids.
Speaker 4: They've talked about having their children being able to work
Speaker 4: at a startup by the age of fifteen.
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4: Ah, Yeah, it's really wild. This is very much a reality.
Speaker 4: It's something that is allready happening now. And so one
Speaker 4: of the main messages that I have for people is
Speaker 4: like they are so much more advanced in these projects
Speaker 4: than anyone has awareness of. Like things are way beyond
Speaker 4: the emerging and see moment, and we need global response,
Speaker 4: and we need global emergency response, and we need resistance.
Speaker 4: When venture capitalists show up to these areas, the people
Speaker 4: there don't know what's hitting them. And that's even true
Speaker 4: in the US, where these venture capitalists came from, people
Speaker 4: did not know that they were about to take the presidency.
Speaker 4: In other countries, they definitely don't know. We need global
Speaker 4: defense from this. Everywhere they fucking go, they should be
Speaker 4: met not only by people there who have been told
Speaker 4: and have the access to the information, but also to
Speaker 4: a global coalition that's ready to stand by. These are
Speaker 4: invasions of countries, These are invasions of sovereign nations and
Speaker 4: of communities, and that's what we need to fight back.
Speaker 4: And I think my research and other researchers and what's
Speaker 4: on vcmflodox like leads to that conclusion of like that
Speaker 4: is how we're going to have to fight this.
Speaker 2: And I think that's something that right now feels unimaginable.
Speaker 2: But also unless you are really really young, you have
Speaker 2: lived in a period where something like that existed, you know,
Speaker 2: to a large extent, this is what the global justice
Speaker 2: movement was. There's a bunch of different names, but like
Speaker 2: the original anti globalization movements, like the one that was
Speaker 2: born out of the nineties, the one that was born
Speaker 2: out of the Zapatista's rebellion against NAFTA, like the Zapatista's
Speaker 2: brought together hundreds and hundreds of groups from all over
Speaker 2: the world like to these giant convergencies, and they planned
Speaker 2: like an international strategy to presist these sort of these
Speaker 2: like free trade proposals, and you know, were they able
Speaker 2: to like defeat capitalism and like retake the globe. No,
Speaker 2: but they were successful in killing basically all new free
Speaker 2: trade agreements like in the period after. And this is
Speaker 2: where you get like the Battle of Seattle and like
Speaker 2: the whole Giant, like all the protests at all of
Speaker 2: the summits, and like Genoa. And this is the process
Speaker 2: that built the modern left right, like the modern American
Speaker 2: left comes out of occupy, which is a bunch of
Speaker 2: the veterans of that movement by doing this. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: like you all, like everyone listening to this, unless you
Speaker 2: were born in like the twenty tens, have lived in
Speaker 2: a world where people did this. It's kind of a
Speaker 2: parallel movement. But one of the things that happens in
Speaker 2: this period in your lifetimes almost certainly, is that a
Speaker 2: bunch of people like took the city of Wahaka in
Speaker 2: like two thousand and six, we have taken major North
Speaker 2: American cities from them in your lifetime. We can do this.
Speaker 2: We just have to be willing to work together and fight.
Speaker 3: Yes, one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: And as much as I like live in this issue
Speaker 4: and look at this and I'm like, what the fuck
Speaker 4: are we gonna do? Like it's over, It's over. Like
Speaker 4: I also am like, this is a chance because what's
Speaker 4: happening in mentor capital is one of the fastest movie
Speaker 4: in Hearts of Capitalism, one of the most dynamic, one
Speaker 4: of the most powerful, one of them that has the
Speaker 4: most infrastructure, Like, yeah, what if we got all the
Speaker 4: computers back?
Speaker 3: Yeah, what if we could use the.
Speaker 4: Computers for you know, this is a chance and I
Speaker 4: think there's a possibility. And I hope to build a
Speaker 4: global resistance around this. And that's why I'm here, and
Speaker 4: that's why I stay in this because this fucking sucks
Speaker 4: and there's not a lot of community support.
Speaker 3: It's isolating. Da da da.
Speaker 4: But I think this is I think this is a
Speaker 4: fight we can win if we're all willing to get
Speaker 4: on board about what is happening and do the work
Speaker 4: of building that. So I am. I'm excited for that.
Speaker 4: I think I think it can happen.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and I think this is something that it's
Speaker 2: really really easy to look into the world and despair,
Speaker 2: and I think one of the things that helps with
Speaker 2: that is remembering that people have faced odds that were
Speaker 2: so much worse than this, right, Like if you look
Speaker 2: at like the origin of Pan Africanism, right, and like
Speaker 2: you look at like C. L. R. James and a
Speaker 2: bunch of like his friends are like meeting in these
Speaker 2: rooms in like London, and you know they're looking out
Speaker 2: at it across entire continents that are colonized, and fifteen
Speaker 2: to twenty years later, literally like the people who are
Speaker 2: his friends who are there have liberated Africa, right, Like
Speaker 2: you know we're talking about like this this what looked
Speaker 2: like a just a group of just like random people
Speaker 2: facing within a completely impossible project of defeating colonialism. Suddenly
Speaker 2: you know again, like twenty years later, it's like Julius
Speaker 2: de Reira is like running Tanzania, right, And the odds
Speaker 2: that they faced are so much longer than the odds
Speaker 2: that we faced. And were they able to create exactly
Speaker 2: the world that they wanted to know. But the world
Speaker 2: that they left after them was one where in higher
Speaker 2: continents we're no longer it's literally directly ruled by colonizers. Yes,
Speaker 2: and yeah, like that is probably the kind of response
Speaker 2: that this requires, but I don't know, people have done
Speaker 2: it before, and it can be done again, it.
Speaker 3: Can be done again.
Speaker 4: And you know, if you people who are interested in
Speaker 4: that reach out and like, let's get a movie in
Speaker 4: because this is like, this is a chance, This is
Speaker 4: a chance, and we need to take it because if
Speaker 4: we just let this go for like, today is our
Speaker 4: best chance of stopping it.
Speaker 3: You know, today is our best chance.
Speaker 4: So if we can hop on this and be professional
Speaker 4: in the sense of like being professional resistors and anti
Speaker 4: colonialists and anti fascists and take this as not just
Speaker 4: an ideological thing, but this is a tactical situation. We
Speaker 4: need to be figuring out strategies and tactics to take
Speaker 4: this down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think on that note, where can people
Speaker 2: go to find your work and find more information about
Speaker 2: this and start this process? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 4: VC Infodox is at www dot vcinfodox dot com. There's
Speaker 4: a contact email address on that page. Would love to
Speaker 4: hear from you. We give presentations also, or happy to
Speaker 4: just talk to any other organizers.
Speaker 3: And I am on social media.
Speaker 4: I'm a Blue Sky and Twitter, and I have a
Speaker 4: blog at Shanlee dot com, so any of those, but
Speaker 4: definitely want to hear from people who are serious about.
Speaker 3: Building a movement around this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and thank you so much. Thank you so much
Speaker 4: for having me, thank you for being my first podcast.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for doing this. And I don't know,
Speaker 2: I hope we can help contribute to the start of
Speaker 2: something that changes the state of things.
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