1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: Al Zone Media. 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,120 Speaker 2: Welcome to It could Happen here, the podcast where it's 3 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 2: happening both here and everywhere else. I am your host 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 2: Fo Wong, and today we're talking about the it being 5 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 2: the fascist network state that the all of these ventured 6 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 2: capital tech ghouls are trying to set up. And with 7 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 2: you once again to talk about this is Shaneley, who 8 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 2: is one of the contributors and people behind VC Infodox, 9 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 2: which is one of the best resources about these bloodthirsty tyrants. Shy, 10 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. 11 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you for having me again. 12 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 2: I constantly have these moments where it's like, oh great, 13 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: I'm talking to people who are really cool, and I 14 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 2: really wish I was talking to them about literally anything else, 15 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 2: because oh my god, this stuff sucks. Like please please 16 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,279 Speaker 2: cause the end of this system, so I could talk 17 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 2: to people about things that are good instead of things 18 00:00:57,880 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 2: that are nightmarish. 19 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 4: My dream is to not wake up every single more 20 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 4: the first thing I think about is Winter Capital. 21 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 3: I think about it every second. 22 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 4: Of every day, and then that's when I go to 23 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 4: sleep thinking about and then that is also sometimes what 24 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 4: I dream about, which is unfortunate. 25 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:22,839 Speaker 2: You know, we've all been there, We've all been there. 26 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 2: Oh god, So speaking of things all being in places, Look, 27 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,839 Speaker 2: they pay me the mediocre box if youel a better 28 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 2: transition more. But you know, let's get into what the 29 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 2: network state actually is, because I think it's something that 30 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 2: is not understood particularly well. 31 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. 32 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 4: So again, this kind of comes in what we're talking 33 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 4: about last episode, that kind of people's ideas about what 34 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 4: these projects are not necessarily like fully fully formed. And 35 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 4: I think a lot of people think that the network 36 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 4: state is just kind of like them going to do 37 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 4: weird shit, which yes, that's that's part of it. But 38 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 4: I think something that you know, people don't really see 39 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 4: is how how many purposes that the network state sites 40 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,239 Speaker 4: have for them. You know, the network state is basically 41 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 4: creating zones around the world where they can execute their projects. 42 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 3: So you know, some of. 43 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 4: These are more of the like ideological projects like maybe 44 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 4: like practice or something like that. 45 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 3: But you also see network state. 46 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 4: Sites that are very focused on being like industrial centers, 47 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 4: manufacturing centers, you know, biotech and startup development where they 48 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 4: can get away from regulations, where they can sort of 49 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 4: benefit from like co development on a campus. 50 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 3: You know, you have sort of. 51 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:05,959 Speaker 4: New city ideas like California forever, you have network state 52 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 4: sites that the only thing they're doing right now is 53 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 4: they're registering startups to operate in different countries and favorable terms. 54 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 4: You have a whole sort of bunch of different versions 55 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 4: of this, so it's a very like extensible concept for them. 56 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 4: I think some other you know, interesting properties of the 57 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 4: network state is that it can become like a point 58 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 4: of sort of negotiation with the with the host country. 59 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 4: Like one of the points of the network state is 60 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 4: to open up a country to the cryptocurrency markets, to 61 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 4: mining markets, to you know, just the different biotech markets. 62 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 4: This is a way of them getting into a country 63 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 4: like kind of on their own terms, which I think 64 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 4: is a big, big function of it. A lot of 65 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 4: it has to do with crypto adoption, because if they're 66 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 4: going to make cryptocurrency work, they need it to be 67 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 4: adopted around the world. And this is why coinbase is 68 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 4: making such extreme investments in the network. 69 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 3: State because this is a way to also you know. 70 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:26,239 Speaker 4: Get crypto into all of these markets, start entering into 71 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 4: trade with other nation states where the points of negotiation 72 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 4: are around regulation, are around taxation, around access to land 73 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 4: and minerals. 74 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 2: So can you describe kind of what does it look 75 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 2: like inside one of these zones, like, for example, like 76 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 2: how do these compare to say, like a special economic zone, 77 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 2: which is the kind of models of this that we've 78 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 2: had traditionally. 79 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely, And you know, the Network State is built 80 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 4: using special economic zones, so it's really not functionally different 81 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 4: on a lot of different levels. It's more about like 82 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 4: who is using this special economic zone and what do 83 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 4: they want to do with it? And medical experimentation is 84 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 4: actually a huge goal here because you know, again when 85 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 4: we're talking about them getting into medical development, developing all 86 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 4: of these biotech startups, they're facing existing monopolies in the US. 87 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 3: They're also facing the FDA. 88 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 4: The Network State book by Belaji shrina Vasan, who's an 89 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 4: andresen Horowitz like guy for life like he's andresen Horowitz. 90 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 4: One of the main motivations for the Network State is 91 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 4: getting to a place where you can't have any medical regulations. 92 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 4: And so in Honduras they've been doing that. They've been 93 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 4: doing unregulated clinical trials. The doctors in Honduras have been 94 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 4: organizing to try to shut this down and they haven't 95 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 4: been able to and they're going to have way worse 96 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 4: problems now because Trump just installed a new president install 97 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 4: the president there who is is in support and is 98 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 4: taking the steps to you know support this a special 99 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 4: economic zone called their ZA. But that's that's one of 100 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 4: the big reasons that they're doing it. Their medical offering 101 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 4: is profound. They're doing clinical trials, drug developments, activating clinical 102 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 4: research sites. They're also involved in like insurance software, insurance marketplaces, IVF, longevity, 103 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 4: anti aging, like the whole you know thing. And this 104 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 4: goes back to like when venture capital is entering a 105 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 4: new market now, like they come like locked and loaded 106 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 4: with a full platform and get in more accelerated clinical 107 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 4: trials is something that is going to move their project 108 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 4: forward significantly. Network state is is a way to accomplish that. 109 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 2: So these these sort of nodes that they're setting up 110 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 2: of these networks stix sites are places where you know, 111 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 2: they've been able to sort of carve out special economic 112 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 2: zone status. That means that like the traditional sort of 113 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 2: regulatory structure of the country simply does not apply. Yes, yeah, 114 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 2: which is very which is in a lot of ways, 115 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 2: and this is like a special economic zone thing in general, 116 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 2: it's like very sort of like fascist state of exception 117 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 2: where like, oh yeah, no, we've just you know, there's 118 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 2: like a crisis in the crisis is that we can't 119 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 2: do like human experimentation, and so we've now created this 120 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 2: zone where just none of the laws apply. It's like 121 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 2: the kind of like evil mirror World Universe version of 122 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 2: like temporary autonomous zones, except it's like what if we 123 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 2: had a permanent zone of fascism where all the laws 124 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 2: didn't apply and we could just do whatever we wanted. 125 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 4: Percent It's also deeply concerning because the obsession with accelerating 126 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 4: clinical innovation, drug innovation, like whatever that is, like at 127 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 4: some point there is a like what makes that stuff 128 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 4: move the fastest, and it's human trials and human experiments, 129 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 4: and the more people that you can shove, the faster 130 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 4: you can shove through medical development. 131 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 3: And that's very concerning. 132 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 4: So to me, I see this as like a recipe 133 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 4: for large scale medical abuse and disaster. 134 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so yeah, when you when. 135 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 4: You look at them doing these unregulated and unethical medical 136 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 4: experiments and trials in Honduras, and then you see in 137 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 4: this other part of the world in different countries in 138 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 4: Africa that the networks see. It is also targeting that 139 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 4: you know, recently news came out about a very contraver, 140 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 4: virtual and very unethical experiment in Guinea Buso to test 141 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 4: the vaccine timing of epetitis B on fourteen thousand infants. 142 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 3: And the acting director of. 143 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 4: The CDC at the time that this was approved is 144 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 4: Jim o'nill And Jim o'nial is from Peter Thiel's Vender 145 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 4: Capital from myth Roles, and he was also on the 146 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 4: board of the c Studying Institute, which is where a 147 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 4: lot of this sort of network state stuff does come from. 148 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 4: So this is a recipe for like mass scale medical abuse. 149 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 4: And even if you look at like what world Coin, 150 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 4: which is Sam Altman's like eyeball scanning thing like that 151 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 4: is a biotech thing like that starts to get into 152 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 4: the the realm of like medicine and stuff like that. 153 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 4: So you see these sort of forces starting to converge 154 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 4: in these areas, like these aren't infants that they are 155 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 4: doing these babies that they're doing these on. And at 156 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 4: the same time, in that same country, a extremely well 157 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 4: established executive and the network state is looking to build 158 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:22,479 Speaker 4: a network state city. 159 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 3: So you know, getting these sites. 160 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 4: In there into different countries in Africa, they can go 161 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 4: after the precious minerals. They have a labor source there. 162 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 4: They're already exploiting people there for the AI content moration 163 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 4: and tagging and like all of that with disastrous effects. 164 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 4: You also have the really concerning factor of like so 165 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 4: many people in the top of the venture capital like 166 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 4: apparatus are South Africans, and when you just start to 167 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 4: put all those pieces together, it's extremely worrying. One of 168 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 4: the enter capital mining startups because now they have multiple 169 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 4: mining startups. Discovered the largest discovery of copper in ten 170 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 4: years from computers in Berkeley, and then they showed up 171 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 4: in Zambia. 172 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 3: Oh God, to start extracting the copper. 173 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 4: So you know, the network state opens up these countries 174 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:31,839 Speaker 4: to like this new era of like exploited labor, mineral harvesting, 175 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 4: medical experiments, and the network state gives them a way 176 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 4: to get into a country and start exploiting the fuck. 177 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,839 Speaker 2: Out of it. Yeah, it's corporate colonization. 178 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 3: Yeah period. 179 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 2: You know, it's a bunch of these people going like, oh, 180 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 2: the problem with the East India company was that they 181 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 2: actually had to like run the country, which is really expensive. 182 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 2: So what if instead of that we just took over 183 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 2: like the nodes that we wanted to use and then 184 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 2: use that to push everything sort of further. And that 185 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 2: of like building a giant army and marching through India. 186 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 4: One hundred percent, and you know, the labor exploitation that 187 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 4: is like developing some of this stuff that we're starting 188 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 4: to see where like you know, venture Capital has a 189 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 4: very close relationship with bou Kelly and Al Salvador. Yeah, 190 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 4: bou Kelly is sitting on a prison full of people 191 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 4: that haven't had due process and he's now using them 192 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 4: for free labor, slave labor. 193 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 2: This is the Seacot person that you might remember, like 194 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 2: Trump had been deporting people here, and this place is 195 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 2: just unbelievably hideous abuses. Yeah, it's an entire facility that 196 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:48,839 Speaker 2: is just dedicated to inflicting violence and suffering and humiliation 197 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 2: on these people who have no trials, have no access 198 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 2: to rights through legal system, and it's just this like 199 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 2: nightmare black hole. 200 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 4: Yes, you know, there's always lots of factors involved when 201 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 4: I talk about stuff like I'm talking about the venture 202 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:21,199 Speaker 4: capital aspect, and there are other players involved, but one 203 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 4: of the big things is like what happens when venture 204 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 4: capital starts interacting with another country, and what we see 205 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 4: in Latin America is that they make contact with hunterists, 206 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 4: they set up a colony, they start terrorizing the people 207 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 4: on the island, They become material actors in installing an 208 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 4: illegitimate president with Trump's help. And then you know, they 209 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 4: make contact with El Salvador and El Salvador becomes quote 210 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 4: unquote bitcoin country, and El Salvador becomes a prison state 211 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 4: and like a slave labor state. In Argentina, same things 212 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 4: the venture capitalists back to Malay, to the absolute health. 213 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 4: Malay is now gutted to government, deregulated everything. He is 214 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 4: putting these terrible labor abuse policies through. 215 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 3: So when. 216 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 4: Venture capital contacts these countries, it is transforming them, is 217 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 4: changing them. It's changing their politicians, it's changing their policies, 218 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 4: it's changing their land, it's changing their financial system. And 219 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 4: that is really concerning. And you know, one of the 220 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 4: things about the venture capital model, this goes back to 221 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 4: even just the fact that like they have operated global 222 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 4: IT systems, so they have servers everywhere in the world, 223 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 4: and all of the servers are exactly the same. And 224 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 4: so when you look at what the network state is 225 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 4: going to look like it's going to be very similar. 226 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 4: It's going to be the same thing everywhere, and those 227 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 4: will be basically commanding control nodes. 228 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it seems like they've done a very very 229 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 2: good job of kind of either subverting or like allying 230 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 2: with factions of the traditional sort of like right wing 231 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 2: elite and then you know, propelling them to power and 232 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 2: then using their power and influence and the fact that 233 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 2: they were able to get these people into power in 234 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 2: the first place to sort of set up zones of 235 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 2: extraction for them and increase their power inside of these states. 236 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 3: One thousand percent. 237 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 4: And you know, if you look at how much they've 238 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 4: been able to compromise the American government. 239 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then these. 240 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 4: Countries do not have the wealth, the infrastructure of that, 241 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 4: you know, anything like that, they're so vulnerable to this 242 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 4: type of attack. So if in order to get its 243 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 4: global projects done, Venture Capital needs to install favorable politicians 244 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 4: all over the world world. They're offering packages to all 245 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 4: of those politicians. They're offering the money, the social media 246 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 4: attention and platform that they can give them. They're giving 247 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 4: them an economic policy that they can go forward and say, 248 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 4: we're going to turn this country into like a technology industry, 249 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 4: and we're going to bring all this foreign investment blah 250 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 4: blah blah. You know, they can really just like hand 251 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 4: pick politicians and pretty easily like set them up with 252 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 4: a guaranteed win and over time that's like a global 253 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 4: tech fascist access. 254 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. And one of the things that we know about 255 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 2: sort of the way that fascist state construction works is 256 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 2: that if you're constructing, you've constructed a bunch of these 257 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 2: nodes of this sort of this fascist network state. But 258 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 2: fascist states always need to sort of create an enemy 259 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 2: for themselves, and that enemy has been China. So do 260 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 2: you want to talk about the way that they've been 261 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 2: seeing Belton Road and how they've turned this into a 262 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 2: civilizational conflict. 263 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 4: One hundred percent. You know, if you listen to what 264 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 4: venture kapitalists say about who the enemy is, like, it 265 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 4: is China. They talk literally constantly about China. Almost all 266 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 4: of their startups in every single sector talk about China 267 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 4: all of the time, but particularly in the weapons part 268 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 4: of that and the premise of their military build out. 269 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 4: What they say is that this is about China, and 270 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,959 Speaker 4: this is about fighting China, and this is very serious 271 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 4: to them, and the fundamental cause is like their technology 272 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 4: competing with China's technology, and actually venture capitalis would admit 273 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 4: that China has better technology than us and that they're 274 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 4: ahead of us, so this is a crisis for them. 275 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 2: This is all in some set's very silly to me, 276 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 2: the girl, the girl who studies China, because it's like 277 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 2: all the tiniest tech people you're competing against, like believe 278 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:05,959 Speaker 2: like ninety five percent of the same shit you do. 279 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 2: All of you could simply work together and make money forever, 280 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 2: but instead you've decided to do this, like, oh god, 281 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 2: this like unhinged genocidal military build up because like you 282 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 2: needed a great enemy in order to like keep doing 283 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 2: your being fascist bullshit. Oh god. 284 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 285 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 4: And like via absolute worst case scenario for the world 286 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 4: would probably be like the top technocratic elite from China 287 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 4: and the top technocratic elite from the US deciding they 288 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 4: were gonna work together and just fucking literally everyone else 289 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 4: in the world. 290 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 2: Like yeah, it's like they were like all the road 291 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:47,719 Speaker 2: to doing that. It was like like this is like 292 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 2: like trying to wto integration. Like this was a thing. 293 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 2: This this was like a version of history they could 294 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,199 Speaker 2: have had where it's like, yeah, congratulations, you've created like 295 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 2: permanent technocratic rule, but like no, no, eat shit, we 296 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 2: want to fight each other for obscure and nebulous ideological reasons. 297 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 2: Is to generate the sort of fear necessary to do 298 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 2: their projects. It's just like, oh my god. 299 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, one thousand percent. It's very it's very strange. But 300 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 4: you know, like Palmer Lucky who you know, and Palmer Lucky, 301 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 4: like people make fun of a lot of the tech 302 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 4: people for being dumb, and like Palmer Lucky is absolutely 303 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 4: not dumb. Like he is a very very smart person 304 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 4: and he's spending every single moment of every single day 305 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 4: figuring out how to defeat China. And that's the case 306 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 4: for his entire company. But this, this is an issue 307 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 4: for them. It's shaping sort of the dialectic. And so 308 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 4: within this the net, where is the network staying this well, 309 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 4: China's Belt and Rode initiative is creating infrastructure projects and 310 00:19:55,280 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 4: nation state alliances across Latin America and across Africa for China, 311 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 4: and you see the network state really investing in Latin 312 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 4: America and Africa as while so certainly, one way to 313 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 4: conceptualize this is as the Network State is a counter 314 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 4: to Belt and Road and it is part of their 315 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 4: cold war with China which is playing out across all 316 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 4: of these regions. 317 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's another thing where it's just like I 318 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 2: have seen how both how both of these groups treat 319 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 2: the workers in Africa that they're employing. Like both of 320 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 2: you two believe the same shit. You're both fucking racist 321 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 2: doing colonialism, but like you've decided to drag the entire 322 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 2: fucking world into your like oh God, okay, I'm gonna 323 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,719 Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell one China racism story here because we've 324 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 2: be getting an enormous amount of American racism, Like like 325 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 2: this is this is a country where like, like China's 326 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 2: a country where like you get soap ads where like 327 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 2: you have a black person and they like rub their 328 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 2: skin with soap and they like turn white. This is 329 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 2: like the kind of racism you're dealing with. One of 330 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 2: the big ecological moments in China was there's a documentary 331 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 2: called Under the Dome. So we're gonna get a little 332 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 2: bit far field here, but this I think matters a 333 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 2: lot in terms of why this is happening. The CCP 334 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 2: allowed this woman who'd been a state broadcaster like a 335 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 2: television personality like broadcaster for a long time, she had 336 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 2: a kid, so she was taking time off. This is 337 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 2: like the early twenty tens, like the height of like 338 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 2: air pollution in China, and she does this like giant 339 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 2: documentary about air pollution. It's allowed to stay on the 340 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 2: internet for like a couple of days before it's taken down. 341 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 2: And one of the big points of this is that 342 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 2: part of the reason that pollution is so bad is 343 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 2: that there are all of these cars in China that 344 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 2: don't meet Chinese emission standards for being sold to the 345 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 2: Chinese market, and the reason they're producing these cars is 346 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,719 Speaker 2: that they specifically have an entire class of cars that 347 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 2: are like way way way more pollutant and shittier that 348 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 2: they specifically designed to sell to Africa. Like it's like 349 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 2: that kind of like structure of racism, right, and it's like, 350 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 2: you know, it's just like the sort of horror show 351 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 2: of like watch these two just like different versions of 352 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 2: this sort of like nightmare colonialism entity where you know, 353 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 2: like China is trying to find a way to reproduce 354 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 2: its own capital as its growth rate like slows, and 355 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 2: the networks that people, you know, I have that also 356 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 2: had this project of like we want to sort of 357 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 2: install our own version of fascism here, and they're just 358 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 2: sort of like building these like parallel networks against each 359 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:26,120 Speaker 2: other just like I don't know, it makes me so 360 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 2: miserable that so many people are getting fucked by just 361 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 2: like the global capitalist superpowers and the way that like 362 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 2: venture capital money has become a political force that can 363 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 2: do their own unbelievably like probably more hideously fucked versions 364 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 2: of what Chinese capital has been able to do. 365 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, you know, at the end of the day, 366 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 4: that's where where we need to come back to, is 367 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 4: like this is about capitalism, like this about colonialism, it's 368 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:59,959 Speaker 4: about like imperialism, and like we fight this at that level, 369 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 4: at the level of structural analysis, of historical analysis, of 370 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 4: like full analysis, of unflinching analysis, and that that is 371 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 4: the only way to get out of this situation that 372 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 4: we're in. 373 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, is to understand what is actually happening at a 374 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 2: structural level and understand the actual forces that are operating 375 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 2: instead of the big, flashy name people who the spotlight 376 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 2: has been on. 377 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, that is one of the few things that makes 378 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,679 Speaker 4: me excited about venture capital because like, here is a 379 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:43,479 Speaker 4: lens where we can actually see capitalism in a live, 380 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 4: moving and active, dynamic, destructive, very much visible. You can 381 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 4: see this, you can see it happening, and that is 382 00:23:53,400 --> 00:24:07,199 Speaker 4: like such an opportunity to wrap up the network state stuff. So, 383 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 4: you know, a lot, a lot is sort of said 384 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 4: about this being their own state, which it absolutely is. 385 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 4: It leads to that, but once you add up these 386 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 4: pieces of them having land and them having cities, and 387 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 4: then they're racism. So they think that they're better than everyone, 388 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 4: and they're like misogyny and like their wealth and them 389 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 4: being sort of in their own kind of category which 390 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 4: also has all of the different sort of pieces of civilization. 391 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 3: Like out of that they derive both. 392 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 4: An identity and like a drive for civilization building. And 393 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 4: so one thing that people talk about a lot is eugenics, 394 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,959 Speaker 4: and like eugenics beliefs sort of in the tech class, 395 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 4: but we are so far beyond that and into an 396 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 4: actual eugenics project where venture capitalists are encouraging the tech 397 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 4: class to create more and more babies. They are creating 398 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 4: a dizzying number of fertility startups IVF genetic screening, you know, 399 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 4: engineering of the genome like all of these different areas, 400 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 4: and they see Israel as the example of that because 401 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 4: the Israeli fertility rate is really high despite it being 402 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 4: a technocratic This is there where it's not mine. Yeah, 403 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 4: just to be clear, this is what they say. They 404 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 4: say Israel is aspirational because it's the technocratic state where 405 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 4: they have a really high birth rate, and that that 406 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 4: is what they want to emulate, you know, through the 407 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 4: network state, and they want to you know, selectively breed, 408 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 4: and they want to use these technologies to breed and hyperbreed. 409 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 3: And one of the tech philosophers that. 410 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 4: Should actually get way more intention than Curtis Yarvin but 411 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 4: doesn't is Nick Land. And nick Land basically yeah, but 412 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 4: nick Land's one of his main thing is that a 413 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 4: small elite will use eugenics technology to rapidly outpace the 414 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:27,120 Speaker 4: rest of the world to such an extent that it 415 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 4: creates basically. 416 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,640 Speaker 3: Like a new species in. 417 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 4: That sense, I see, you know, ideology being something that 418 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 4: emerges out of all of this other things that they're doing. 419 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 3: They do all of this crazy shit. 420 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 4: They have all this economic stuff going on, you know, 421 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 4: they have all this medical stuff going on, and then 422 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 4: what comes out of that is this is our civilization. 423 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 4: We are going to breed to populate this civilization, and 424 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 4: we are going to surpass the rest of humanity which 425 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 4: we lolls in, which we see as lab rats and 426 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 4: guinea pigs and vermin and scum. 427 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's the situation where like like this is 428 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 2: like a thing that a lot of the worst right 429 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 2: wingers have believed for a long time. But these people 430 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 2: control vast sections of the global economy. And because they 431 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 2: do that whatever like unhinged like racist eugenic breeding project 432 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 2: thing they want to do, they could just do it 433 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 2: because they have the capital to like actually create these things. 434 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 2: It's like, well, like obviously they're not going to be 435 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 2: able to successfully like create a super race or whatever, 436 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 2: because like that's just digenics doesn't work, right, Like but 437 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 2: like it's you know, but like it doesn't matter. They 438 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 2: have achieved a level of power and a level of capital. 439 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 2: Where like the actual quote behind the reality based community thing, 440 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 2: where for the Bush administration, we're like the thing that 441 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 2: got into like the media was like calling their roles 442 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 2: the reality based community. The actual quote is about how 443 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 2: liberals observe reality and conservatives create it, and so they're 444 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 2: trying to just hammer reality into their preferred shape through 445 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 2: this combination of wealth and violence. And because of that, Yeah, 446 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 2: they can just fucking do this, all of this like 447 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 2: eugenic shit that people just talk about. They can just 448 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 2: attempt to do it. 449 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know. 450 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 4: It's they're telling their workers to have more children. They 451 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 4: are doing their own school programs, elite schools for these kids. 452 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 4: They've talked about having their children being able to work 453 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 4: at a startup by the age of fifteen. 454 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 2: Jesus Christ. 455 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 4: Ah, Yeah, it's really wild. This is very much a reality. 456 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 4: It's something that is allready happening now. And so one 457 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 4: of the main messages that I have for people is 458 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 4: like they are so much more advanced in these projects 459 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 4: than anyone has awareness of. Like things are way beyond 460 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 4: the emerging and see moment, and we need global response, 461 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 4: and we need global emergency response, and we need resistance. 462 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 4: When venture capitalists show up to these areas, the people 463 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 4: there don't know what's hitting them. And that's even true 464 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,959 Speaker 4: in the US, where these venture capitalists came from, people 465 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 4: did not know that they were about to take the presidency. 466 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 4: In other countries, they definitely don't know. We need global 467 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 4: defense from this. Everywhere they fucking go, they should be 468 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 4: met not only by people there who have been told 469 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 4: and have the access to the information, but also to 470 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,479 Speaker 4: a global coalition that's ready to stand by. These are 471 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 4: invasions of countries, These are invasions of sovereign nations and 472 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 4: of communities, and that's what we need to fight back. 473 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 4: And I think my research and other researchers and what's 474 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 4: on vcmflodox like leads to that conclusion of like that 475 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 4: is how we're going to have to fight this. 476 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 2: And I think that's something that right now feels unimaginable. 477 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 2: But also unless you are really really young, you have 478 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,479 Speaker 2: lived in a period where something like that existed, you know, 479 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 2: to a large extent, this is what the global justice 480 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 2: movement was. There's a bunch of different names, but like 481 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 2: the original anti globalization movements, like the one that was 482 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 2: born out of the nineties, the one that was born 483 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 2: out of the Zapatista's rebellion against NAFTA, like the Zapatista's 484 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 2: brought together hundreds and hundreds of groups from all over 485 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 2: the world like to these giant convergencies, and they planned 486 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 2: like an international strategy to presist these sort of these 487 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 2: like free trade proposals, and you know, were they able 488 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 2: to like defeat capitalism and like retake the globe. No, 489 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 2: but they were successful in killing basically all new free 490 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 2: trade agreements like in the period after. And this is 491 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 2: where you get like the Battle of Seattle and like 492 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 2: the whole Giant, like all the protests at all of 493 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 2: the summits, and like Genoa. And this is the process 494 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 2: that built the modern left right, like the modern American 495 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 2: left comes out of occupy, which is a bunch of 496 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 2: the veterans of that movement by doing this. Yeah, and 497 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 2: like you all, like everyone listening to this, unless you 498 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 2: were born in like the twenty tens, have lived in 499 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 2: a world where people did this. It's kind of a 500 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 2: parallel movement. But one of the things that happens in 501 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 2: this period in your lifetimes almost certainly, is that a 502 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 2: bunch of people like took the city of Wahaka in 503 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 2: like two thousand and six, we have taken major North 504 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 2: American cities from them in your lifetime. We can do this. 505 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 2: We just have to be willing to work together and fight. 506 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 3: Yes, one hundred percent. 507 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 4: And as much as I like live in this issue 508 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 4: and look at this and I'm like, what the fuck 509 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 4: are we gonna do? Like it's over, It's over. Like 510 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 4: I also am like, this is a chance because what's 511 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 4: happening in mentor capital is one of the fastest movie 512 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 4: in Hearts of Capitalism, one of the most dynamic, one 513 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 4: of the most powerful, one of them that has the 514 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 4: most infrastructure, Like, yeah, what if we got all the 515 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 4: computers back? 516 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, what if we could use the. 517 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 4: Computers for you know, this is a chance and I 518 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 4: think there's a possibility. And I hope to build a 519 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 4: global resistance around this. And that's why I'm here, and 520 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 4: that's why I stay in this because this fucking sucks 521 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 4: and there's not a lot of community support. 522 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 3: It's isolating. Da da da. 523 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 4: But I think this is I think this is a 524 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 4: fight we can win if we're all willing to get 525 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 4: on board about what is happening and do the work 526 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 4: of building that. So I am. I'm excited for that. 527 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 4: I think I think it can happen. 528 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 2: So yeah, and I think this is something that it's 529 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 2: really really easy to look into the world and despair, 530 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 2: and I think one of the things that helps with 531 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 2: that is remembering that people have faced odds that were 532 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 2: so much worse than this, right, Like if you look 533 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 2: at like the origin of Pan Africanism, right, and like 534 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 2: you look at like C. L. R. James and a 535 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 2: bunch of like his friends are like meeting in these 536 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 2: rooms in like London, and you know they're looking out 537 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 2: at it across entire continents that are colonized, and fifteen 538 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 2: to twenty years later, literally like the people who are 539 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 2: his friends who are there have liberated Africa, right, Like 540 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 2: you know we're talking about like this this what looked 541 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 2: like a just a group of just like random people 542 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 2: facing within a completely impossible project of defeating colonialism. Suddenly 543 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,959 Speaker 2: you know again, like twenty years later, it's like Julius 544 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 2: de Reira is like running Tanzania, right, And the odds 545 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 2: that they faced are so much longer than the odds 546 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 2: that we faced. And were they able to create exactly 547 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 2: the world that they wanted to know. But the world 548 00:33:54,160 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 2: that they left after them was one where in higher 549 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 2: continents we're no longer it's literally directly ruled by colonizers. Yes, 550 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,760 Speaker 2: and yeah, like that is probably the kind of response 551 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 2: that this requires, but I don't know, people have done 552 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 2: it before, and it can be done again, it. 553 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 3: Can be done again. 554 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 4: And you know, if you people who are interested in 555 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 4: that reach out and like, let's get a movie in 556 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 4: because this is like, this is a chance, This is 557 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 4: a chance, and we need to take it because if 558 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 4: we just let this go for like, today is our 559 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 4: best chance of stopping it. 560 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 3: You know, today is our best chance. 561 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 4: So if we can hop on this and be professional 562 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 4: in the sense of like being professional resistors and anti 563 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 4: colonialists and anti fascists and take this as not just 564 00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 4: an ideological thing, but this is a tactical situation. We 565 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 4: need to be figuring out strategies and tactics to take 566 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:04,240 Speaker 4: this down. 567 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think on that note, where can people 568 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 2: go to find your work and find more information about 569 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 2: this and start this process? Yeah? 570 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 571 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:21,479 Speaker 4: VC Infodox is at www dot vcinfodox dot com. There's 572 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 4: a contact email address on that page. Would love to 573 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 4: hear from you. We give presentations also, or happy to 574 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 4: just talk to any other organizers. 575 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 3: And I am on social media. 576 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,279 Speaker 4: I'm a Blue Sky and Twitter, and I have a 577 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 4: blog at Shanlee dot com, so any of those, but 578 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 4: definitely want to hear from people who are serious about. 579 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 3: Building a movement around this. 580 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, and thank you so much. Thank you so much 581 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,919 Speaker 4: for having me, thank you for being my first podcast. 582 00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for doing this. 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