1 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Ruby. 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to Grown Up Stuff. I'm Leah Palmery 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 2: and I'm Matt Stillow and today's episode. 4 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 3: Brought to you by Shell Pen's Oil. 5 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: Well, have you. 6 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 2: Thinking differently about your car the next time you're on 7 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 2: a joy ride or even just a trip to the 8 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:18,080 Speaker 2: grocery store. 9 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 3: That's right. And you know, while we talked about general 10 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 3: car maintenance in a previous episode, today we'll be chatting 11 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 3: with Sean Wynn, a lubricant technical specialist at Shell, and 12 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 3: he's going to plumb the depths, as it were, on 13 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 3: all things oil changes and what exactly is going on 14 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 3: and then engine of yours more than you've probably ever 15 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 3: expected to know. 16 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 2: That is the truth, Matt. I admittedly knew very little 17 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 2: about oil changes and honestly cars in general. But my 18 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 2: favorite thing about Sean is not just how much he knows, 19 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 2: but how confident and excited he is to talk about 20 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 2: the technology of engines and the oils that keep them running. 21 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 2: Who knew? 22 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 3: Who knew? Sean really explained the ways that we can 23 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 3: best take care of our vehicle so that they run 24 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 3: their best and last as long as possible. 25 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 2: Yes, Matt, because you know what our cars to be 26 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 2: thriving too. 27 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 3: They do. Yeah, and now here Sean. 28 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 4: Well, my name is Sean Wynn. I'm a lubricant technical 29 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:14,559 Speaker 4: expert for Shell. Been working with Shell for twenty five 30 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 4: plus years, been in the industry for more than thirty 31 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 4: three years, and my specialty is automotive lubricants. I've spent 32 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 4: some time in Greace research, crude all research, formulation research, 33 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 4: and so enjoy the time that I've had and look 34 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 4: forward to spending a little bit of time with you 35 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 4: and your audience. 36 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 2: Yay, I mean, I think the first question we have 37 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 2: to ask you is what is a lubricant technical expert. 38 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 2: I've not seen this title on LinkedIn before, so can 39 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 2: you tell us a little bit about what does that 40 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 2: even mean for your job? 41 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 4: Well, it varies depending on your specialty. Right, I mentioned 42 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 4: that I am automotive engine expert. I'm trained to based 43 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 4: on my years of experience in formulation for automotive and 44 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 4: engine oils. It makes me, I guess you could say, 45 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 4: an expert in the automotive engine oils. 46 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 2: You're certainly more an expert than I am, and I'm 47 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 2: going to venture to guests and say more than Matt 48 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 2: is as well. So congratulations to you. Okay, well, we 49 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 2: are going to talk to you today about oil changes. 50 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 2: I know this is going to sound silly, but I 51 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 2: also know I'm not the only one wondering what the 52 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 2: answer is to this question. What even is an oil change? 53 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 2: What is happening during this process? Why is it necessary 54 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 2: for the longevity of our cars and the engine? Feel 55 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 2: free to get nerdy and sciency about this. We want 56 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 2: to know exactly what is going on in there. 57 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 4: As you know, we're told over the years to change 58 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 4: our engine oils, right, and engine oils if you're going 59 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 4: to get nerd up is over time it gets consumed 60 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:51,119 Speaker 4: because of combustion products. You're going to have blowbys, basically 61 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 4: gases from the combustions and molecules that would come across. 62 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 4: And as engine oils get cooked and heated, typically can 63 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 4: go up as high as two hundred and sixty degrees 64 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 4: up at the three hundred degrees and even that the 65 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 4: pistons can go above five hundred degrees, So in a sense, 66 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 4: it causes them to age the same way we see 67 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 4: our cooking oil. You know, if we use it a 68 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 4: couple of times, see it kind of turned dark. And 69 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 4: oil has to be there to keep everything lubricated. Oil 70 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 4: has to come in and cool the engine. It works 71 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 4: with your cooling system and as you change the temperature, 72 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 4: and as you increase the temperature, you cause that oil 73 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 4: to break down. When you add in contaminants like water, 74 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 4: like fuel like air, and carbon monoxide, it ages the 75 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 4: oil and degrades the oil. Our whole purpose of oil 76 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 4: is a couple of the major fundamental lubricate, protect, keep 77 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 4: it cool, and prevent wear, four fundamental things. Past seventy 78 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 4: years of engine oil manufacturing, fundamentally, that's what they are, 79 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 4: and they've changed over the years based on engine design. 80 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 4: We haven't even talked about the additives yet. Say you're 81 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 4: piston needs antiwar so that as it moves, it doesn't 82 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 4: get worn away and loosen up over time. And so 83 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 4: as the oil ages, it use up those additives, You 84 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 4: use up those ingredients. You have antioxidants that is there 85 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 4: to help keep the oil life longer, but it gets 86 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 4: used up. You have antiware components that help to coat 87 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 4: the engine so that it becomes a sacrificial layer. You 88 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 4: have detergents to help to remove the combustion, to remove 89 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 4: the dark material, the soot, the ash, so those material 90 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 4: get used up, and it gets to a point when 91 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 4: the manufacturer recognized, and we too, the oil manufacturer recognized, 92 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 4: it's time to change. It's time to refresh, drop the oil, 93 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 4: put new oil in. So hopefully that's a short, long 94 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 4: winded answer. 95 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 2: That's enough of an answer to let us know why 96 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 2: you're an expert for sure. 97 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And you don't really think about it, But 98 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 3: you mentioned kind of like it's not all that different 99 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 3: than cooking oil. I think about like, you know, sometimes 100 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 3: I'm cooking with oil like thirty minutes and I'll throw 101 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 3: some carrots and onions in there, and then like I'll 102 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 3: go to like start cooking some meters and they're like, oh, 103 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 3: let's get this oil. It's already old. It's been thirty minutes, 104 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 3: and I already want to get this oil out of here. 105 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 3: So how long do these processes take to like really 106 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 3: get to the point where it's degraded and that you 107 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 3: are going to want to change it? 108 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 4: Oh, it depends on many different factors. First, the engine design. 109 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,679 Speaker 4: Every engine behaves differently the same way when you fry 110 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 4: fish versus frying vegetables, right, they cause different interactions and 111 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 4: different engines will actually create different messes. Some engines are 112 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 4: looser high performance engine versus out everyday media van or 113 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 4: regular car. When you have turbos, they create a lot 114 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 4: more heat in the oils. When you have different systems 115 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 4: in the engine, over time, it ages the oil. At 116 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 4: the same time the oil is affected by heat. Let's 117 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 4: say you're used to running your car two hundred degrees 118 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 4: and you have coolant issues, and it's now running harder 119 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 4: by ten degrees celsius. In the root of thumber of 120 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 4: the industry is that if you increase the temperature by 121 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 4: ten degrees celsius, you basically double the oxidation rate. You're 122 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 4: cooking the oil twice as fast. So now you have 123 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 4: to change your oil half the mile of time. So 124 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 4: it all is variant on the operating viscosity or operating 125 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 4: temperature of the engine. Many other factors come to play. 126 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 4: There's another issues out there, which we call granny cycle. 127 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 4: Those are where our grandmas would just take the car 128 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 4: once a week, go to the grocery store or go 129 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 4: to church, and then come back home five minutes later. 130 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 4: The car barely heat up and then cool back down immediately, 131 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 4: and so it condenses all that water accumulates in the 132 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 4: oil and short distance driving cycles those actually creates more 133 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 4: contaminants build up in the car and ages to oil faster. 134 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 4: So there are many different factors along the way. One 135 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 4: of my recommendations is that you have those type of 136 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 4: cycles where you go to work maybe eight miles and 137 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 4: it's less than twenty minutes, take it out for a 138 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 4: weekend drive it because it helps to evaporate all the 139 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,679 Speaker 4: fuel that's burned up, all the water. It actually helps 140 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 4: you extend the life of that oil. 141 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 3: And how long would you recommend going for a quick driving. 142 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 4: Minimum twenty five minutes, so a weekend drive, you know, 143 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 4: for a highway drive, keep it at constant temperature for 144 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 4: about twenty five minutes. That should be enough to burn 145 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 4: a lot of those contaminants off. 146 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 3: That's so interesting because I would have thought would have 147 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 3: been the opposite, where like you know, they're not using 148 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 3: the car at all, and so see, this is why 149 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 3: we talk to the experts. Okay, so if it varies 150 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 3: differently between different types of drivers, different types of cars, 151 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 3: then how do we really know when we should be 152 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 3: taking our cars in to get the oil changed. 153 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 4: That's a good question. First of all, every car owner 154 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 4: needs to read their owner's manual. An owner's manual will 155 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 4: tell first of all, what viscosities to use, what type 156 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 4: of specifications you need, and what's the recommended oil drained 157 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 4: base on your driving stop. We call it regular driving 158 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 4: style or the granny cycle. If you're towing, you're doing 159 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 4: a lot of heat driving, you're driving in the dusty climates, 160 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 4: those of what we'll call severe driving. So those are 161 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 4: some of the determines. If the owner's manual say three 162 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 4: thousand miles, I would say do three thousand miles. Now, 163 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 4: that is all based on the experience of the manufacturer 164 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 4: based on that engine. They've done internal studies to calculate 165 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 4: that based on the suggested drain. The oil capacity also 166 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 4: has a lot to do with drain interval. So as 167 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 4: the manufacturer designed that oil, they make a good calculation 168 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 4: based on driving cycle, speed, time of driving. All that 169 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 4: is calculated. That's why a lot of the modern cars 170 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 4: now have the Dumby light it's time to change your oil. 171 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 4: It's ninety percent. My car right now says sixty percent, 172 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 4: So I'm keeping an eye on it. Right now. As 173 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 4: soon as I hit fifteen percent, I'm gread they changed 174 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 4: my oil. 175 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 3: So you're a technical guy. You gave a technical answer, 176 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 3: and I love that because I'm a technical guy. I 177 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 3: do all the audio here, and so I always tell 178 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 3: people read the manual. Read the manual, read menu. Here's 179 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 3: the thing, you know the sean I know this. No 180 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 3: one reads the manual. So is there a good rule 181 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 3: of like for example, Like, I have a motorcycle, and 182 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 3: my kind of rule of thumb is basically every spring, 183 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 3: I've been driving it all winter, it gets all mucked up. 184 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 3: I get it washed and I get it serviced and 185 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 3: checked out and they change the oil then and I 186 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 3: do that like once a year. And I'm probably more 187 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 3: of a granny driver actually, weirdly, I only take it out, 188 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 3: like me once a week, but I'll go for a while, 189 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 3: like an hour or two. And so is the year, like, 190 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 3: is that a good rule of thumb or what's the 191 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 3: rule of thumb? 192 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 4: Okay, So I'm a motorcycle driver too. I do it 193 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,839 Speaker 4: twice a year. I recommend twice a year. I don't care. 194 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 4: That's just me. I change it in the fall and 195 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 4: I change it in the spring. Most manufacturers recommendation is 196 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 4: either mileage or time, whichever comes first. So if you're 197 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,079 Speaker 4: a highway driver and you drive two hours to work 198 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 4: a day, the mileage accumulation happened first. And then, of 199 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 4: course some of the premium vehicles, Mercedes and some of 200 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,839 Speaker 4: the others, they have a twelve month program. They have 201 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 4: a twelve month oil. But the oil is a premium product, 202 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 4: it has longer reservoir capacity, so they have a longer 203 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 4: recommendation oil change. At the same time, if you're driving 204 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 4: a premium car, your oild changes is not sixty bucks 205 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 4: or one hundred bucks. It's a couple hundred dollars, so 206 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 4: it pays for it based on the volume and the 207 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 4: oil that you're buying. A lot of us nowadays, we 208 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 4: don't grow up with full service gas stations anymore. Where 209 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 4: the guy popped your hood, check the oil dipstick and 210 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 4: make sure the oil level is high. It is crucial 211 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 4: that we as consumers check our oil level once a month. 212 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 4: You know, it's just that a little old ring there. 213 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 4: Just pull it out and check it. Because a lot 214 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 4: of the smaller engine vehicles have very little capacity. It 215 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 4: has maybe four four and a half courts, and you 216 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 4: can see vehicles losing a court. So if you lose 217 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 4: a court you're more than twenty five percent close to 218 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 4: twenty five percent lost in oil, So now you have 219 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 4: less oil that would actually help to support and keep 220 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 4: that engine clean. So having oil at the optimal condition 221 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 4: levels is crucial in maintaining the life of that oil. 222 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 4: The color doesn't tell you that it's turning bad. The 223 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 4: color tells you that the oil is doing its job. 224 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 4: It's keeping that engine clean. The engine create all that mess, 225 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 4: and so it's trying to clean it like dawn and 226 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 4: scrubbing your dishes. So the oil is doing the same thing. 227 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 4: Those additives in the oil it's called detergents and dispersings, 228 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 4: and basically that's what it is. It's helped to clean 229 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 4: up the walls of the engines and the parts of 230 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 4: the engine, and it keeps them from binding up together 231 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 4: making big particles, so they stay small. They're wrapped up 232 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 4: in the dispersing, and then when you drain the oil, 233 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 4: they all come out. For those who want to make 234 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 4: sure that oil lasts a long time by a more 235 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 4: premium product. 236 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 2: We'll be right back after a quick. 237 00:11:52,520 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: Break, and we're back with more grown up stuff. 238 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 3: How do I don't? So let's say let's come time 239 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 3: to change your oil. Why is it best to go 240 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 3: into the shop and actually get it done? Like, what 241 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 3: are the professionals doing that? We're just not looking for it. 242 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 4: I think the main reason that people go to a 243 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 4: professional shop is you don't know what you're doing. 244 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 3: That's fair. I rarely do know what I'm doing. 245 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 4: I change all my oil at home, okay. And so 246 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 4: it's all based on your spars and your comfort level. 247 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 4: And if you have the tools, they change out a 248 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 4: filter because the oil filter is there to trap those 249 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 4: large particles, and the particles has to beyond well, I'm 250 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 4: going to go nerd on you. You know above ten 251 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 4: or twenty microns are the big particles who were kept 252 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 4: trapped by the molecules by the filter because those big 253 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 4: molecules that size would actually scrape the engine and cause 254 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 4: a scar, and those scars are unrepairable. So the filters 255 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:00,839 Speaker 4: are there to do that. So change your filters when 256 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 4: you change your oil is highly recommended. And they drain 257 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 4: about eighty to ninety percent of the oil to come 258 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 4: out of the vehicle, and then you replenish a fresh oil, 259 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 4: replenish fresh additives into the car. All those basically allows 260 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 4: a car to feel clean again. And if you are 261 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 4: an oil nerd and an engine nerd like myself, you 262 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 4: can feel and hear the sound difference of a new 263 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 4: oil change in your car. It sounds much quieter, especially 264 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 4: when you buy a premium synthetic like you know. For me, Okay, 265 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 4: I'm a shell guy, so I change it with Penzel 266 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 4: platinum products, all the type, and I see major sound 267 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 4: improvement in lowering the sound and the smoothest of my 268 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 4: engine just from a new oil change. 269 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 2: Sean, I got to tell you, I feel like I'm 270 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 2: usually just driving along and singing to Taylor Swift, and 271 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 2: I did not know all of this was like happening 272 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 2: in the engine while that was also happening. So we're 273 00:13:58,280 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 2: learning a lot clearly. 274 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 3: So how long can we expect it to take when 275 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 3: we go in? And actually, how much typically does an 276 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 3: oil change cost if you're getting it professionally done. 277 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 4: Well, you know in Texas it's a lot cheaper than 278 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 4: you guys up in New York. I can tell you 279 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 4: that you can go to a small shop and you 280 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 4: can get an old change for twenty bucks. But you 281 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 4: don't know the quality of the oil that you're getting. 282 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 4: You don't know the quality of the filter that you're 283 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 4: going to get. To go to a premium place like 284 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 4: one of our partners, which is Jiffy Loop, which is nationwide, 285 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 4: you get a better product at the same time, hopefully, 286 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 4: and from my experience is that you get a little 287 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 4: bit better service. You have a variety of different shops 288 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 4: who advertise the five minute oil change and they do 289 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 4: twenty point inspection, check on your fluids and all the 290 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 4: other stuff go to the dealership. It all depends on 291 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 4: your comfort level and what you feel is someone that 292 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 4: you can trust. I think choosing a good shop is 293 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 4: having a shop that you can go and have a 294 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 4: conversation instead of coming in and just whip in whip out. 295 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 4: I think you get better product, you get better service 296 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 4: by having a good conversation what's your recommendation, and the 297 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 4: knowledgeability of the counterstaff, of the management along the way, 298 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 4: and you kind of have to do a little bit 299 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 4: of your own research. The same way you search for 300 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 4: a doctor, you should search for a good shop that 301 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 4: does that. Because your car is the second most expensive 302 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 4: item that you purchase in your life other than your house. 303 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 4: Right and of course nowadays you know that since COVID 304 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 4: people are keeping their cars longer. They're keeping their cars 305 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 4: almost up to fifteen years now and helping to extend 306 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 4: that life. And so making sure that you pick a place, 307 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 4: change it, will regularly, maintain it regularly. Then your engine 308 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 4: and your car will perform the way that you hope 309 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 4: it to do and be dependable for you in the 310 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 4: long run. 311 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 3: So you walk into an autopart shop and there's lots 312 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 3: of different kinds of oils. And let's say that for 313 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 3: most of my life I have been using a product 314 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 3: that one of the other guys makes. What could you 315 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 3: say that would convince me that the product you make, 316 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 3: shell pens oil is superior. 317 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 4: Well, you're own my wheelhouse now, right. It gets confusing. 318 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 4: We walk into a store and you see all the 319 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 4: different brands, right, But for the most consumer, we're thinking, Okay, 320 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 4: I grew up with this brand, and I trust this 321 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 4: brand because my dad or my grandfather said this is 322 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 4: the brand for me, and that's fine and dandy, and 323 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 4: I think a lot of that is personal experience along 324 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 4: the way. At the same time, do a little bit 325 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 4: of research on the oil. You know, Internet nowadays is 326 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 4: so good in giving unbiased opinion, So educate yourself. I 327 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 4: think that's the first thing, and having a shop that 328 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 4: does that. Now, if you're going to talk about penzil 329 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 4: is the formulation and the oil manufacturer. Some consumer because 330 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 4: they are I guess budget minded, they go for the 331 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 4: generic brands and that's fine, and they meet the specs 332 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 4: of the manufacturer, and that's what they're going to do. 333 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 4: They can meet the specs. They are just enough, the 334 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 4: same way we buy generic medicine. It's just enough. But 335 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 4: if we want the performance, and you want a good 336 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 4: quality performance all, then you got to go with some 337 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 4: of the majors because they put a lot of effort 338 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 4: in the research. 339 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 3: I know. 340 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 4: I work at the largest research center for shell globally 341 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 4: in the world in Houston, and so we do extensive 342 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 4: research in looking at the ingredients. I spent over a 343 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 4: year just to trying to find one ingredient to add 344 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 4: into our oil. I spent another year just to study 345 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 4: how fuel affect oil. I spent another year just looking 346 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 4: at how carbon builds up in the oil. So hopefully 347 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 4: the consumer can see the performance at the end when 348 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 4: they formulated, and that's what a premium brand oil will 349 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 4: help you to do. It will help you to meet 350 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 4: the specs and the requirements of those particular engines, and 351 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:02,239 Speaker 4: the relationships that we have with the manufacturers with the 352 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 4: industry helps us to understand what's out there, and we 353 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,199 Speaker 4: developed and we tailor it based on the chemistries that 354 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 4: were developed over the years. 355 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 3: It's just wild hearing you say that, like the amount 356 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 3: of work that goes into this. You're talking about a 357 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 3: year researching and in creating it, a year researching fuels 358 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 3: impact on the oil. I mean, like that's just something 359 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 3: you don't think about every day, but it's crazy to 360 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 3: hear how much thought and effort goes into it. 361 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 2: You can buy your own oil and take it with you. 362 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 4: Right absolutely, And that's what I recommend. If you can 363 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 4: find a shop that say hey, I'm going to bring 364 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 4: my own oil and filter, just charge me the fee. 365 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 4: That's the way I do it. If I get lazy, 366 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 4: I'll go to a shop, I'll pick my bottle of 367 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 4: oil and filter and I'll bring to a shop and say, hey, 368 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 4: it's my oil. Charge me the fee for the service 369 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 4: and disposal fee. I just look for a good deal 370 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 4: whenever we have promotions within Penzil, and then I'll stock 371 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 4: up on it and you know, I got four cars 372 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 4: and a bike. I got changed on a regular basis. 373 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 4: Oh well, I got to change my kids cars. They 374 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 4: won't change the oil, so dat do? 375 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, Well they're lucky to have you. 376 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 4: But they're down there with me though. 377 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,199 Speaker 2: Okay, good, yeah, show them. Hold's done. 378 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 3: Another thing that can be kind of confusing is the 379 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 3: numbers and letters of the kind of delineate the different 380 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 3: types of oil. So you know, you walk into a 381 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 3: store and you see things like ten W thirty, five 382 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 3: W thirty. I always think of WD fourty, which is 383 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 3: not a car oil. But what are some of these 384 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 3: letters and numbers give us a sense of what they 385 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 3: mean and what different types of oil are used for. 386 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 4: When it comes to viscosity, you want different textures. Engine 387 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 4: oils over the years has gotten really thin if you 388 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 4: look at engines whenin the last ten years they're multi 389 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 4: weight viscosities because they are designing it to be used 390 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,120 Speaker 4: all year round, so when the winter times to come, 391 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 4: it flows properly when there's cold, and when it's hot 392 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 4: it behaves as a thicker oil. Now, so let's describe 393 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 4: your example. Five W thirty The W stands for winter. 394 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 4: I mean the oil will behave in a sense a 395 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 4: five winter weight product when that engine is cold, but 396 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 4: as the engine heat up, that oil will thicken up 397 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:14,360 Speaker 4: to a thirty to give you a simpler viscosity when 398 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 4: the engine's cold, same thickness in a sense when the 399 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 4: engine is cold as when the engine is hot. So 400 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 4: that multiweight design is designed to do that to give 401 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 4: the engine proper flow and viscosity film thickness. So the 402 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 4: viscosity is important to make sure that when you look 403 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 4: at your manual, you already know what type of viscosity 404 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 4: you need. So your car that asks for a five 405 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 4: W twenty motor oil should use a five W twenty 406 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 4: motor oil. And actually the second number is the most 407 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 4: crucial number for you to shop when you buy the oil. 408 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 4: So if car costs for a five to twenty, you 409 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 4: can practically use a five to twenty oil, and you 410 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 4: can even use a zero W twenty oil is suitable. 411 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 4: A zero weight oil or zero winter weight mean that 412 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 4: it flows better at the colder temperatures. I mean they 413 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 4: can handle colder temperatures better than a five winter weight. 414 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 4: But the second number is crucial in giving your car 415 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 4: proper protection during operation. 416 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 3: So I'm curious, would it be wise then to in 417 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 3: the winter to use a different kind of oil that 418 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 3: we might use in the summer. 419 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 4: Some manufacturers actually do. Some manufacturer will tell you to 420 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 4: use a zero twenty or a zero thirty in the 421 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 4: winter and then to use a five to twenty in 422 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 4: the summer. Personally, I recommend the zero twenty all year round. 423 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 4: You're going to get quicker the delivery of the oil 424 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 4: to the upper parts of the engine faster, But as 425 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 4: soon as the oil heats up, it behaves as a 426 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 4: twenty weight. And as modern engines are coming out now, 427 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 4: they're coming out with engines asking for much thin oil. 428 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 4: In the fast five years, we saw zero W sixteen 429 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 4: weight oils for a lot of the hybrids, and then 430 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 4: this year we started to see zero W eight and 431 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 4: zero W twelve of very thin mote oils out there 432 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 4: in the market. So now the manufacturers asking for much 433 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,360 Speaker 4: thinner oil. But at the same time we all recognize 434 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 4: that thin oil physically in our mind, we say, thin oil, 435 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 4: you're going to have less film strength, you're going to 436 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 4: rub each other, and you're going to create more problem. 437 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,479 Speaker 4: So that becomes a challenge for us as manufacturers. We 438 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 4: have to design the technology to keep that film strength 439 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 4: there at the same time at a better antiware package 440 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 4: should you lose that film on that engine. So there 441 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 4: are a lot of issues in the industry, but at 442 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 4: the same time we're working to mitigate that, and we've 443 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 4: developed those things for the past seventy five years and 444 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 4: working very closely with the manufacturer as well as the 445 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 4: industry to keep up with the trends. 446 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 2: I have faith in you, Sean, You're going to figure 447 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 2: it out. So can you also tell us a little 448 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 2: bit about what is full synthetic motor oil and why 449 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 2: is it superior to traditional motor oil. 450 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 4: Traditional we call it conventional oil. Synthetic and conventional is 451 00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 4: a generic marketing terminology, and we say conventional because it 452 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 4: was conventionally processed at a refinery. You put crude in 453 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 4: the distillation, you refine it, and you go to a 454 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 4: certain level of cleanin SA purity. And it's all based 455 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 4: on three factors. The amount of saturation meaning how much 456 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 4: single bonds does it have. The higher the single bond numbers, 457 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 4: the better are the molecule. The amount of viscosity index 458 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 4: it has to flow at both cold and hots of 459 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 4: better viscosity index and the level of contaminants, which is 460 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 4: mainly the sulfur level. Sulfur will cause the oil to 461 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 4: age over time. And as you refine better, you refine 462 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 4: it to a certain point and you can get to 463 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 4: a conventional product. But if you can refine it better, 464 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 4: they get to what the industry called a group three product. 465 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 4: A group three are better is called synthetic, and synthetic 466 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 4: is basically it requires further synthesis, cracking the molecule, breaking 467 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 4: up those ring structures, breaking up those double bonds, and 468 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 4: trying to convert them into single bonds. So the more 469 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 4: single bonds you have, the better the product is able 470 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 4: to resist heat, and the better is able to resist 471 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 4: contaminations to break down. So a single bond molecule is 472 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 4: much stronger in the ability for it to last longer. 473 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,360 Speaker 2: Wow. Okay, great, Yeah, so not to be all stars 474 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 2: are just like us. But as you're talking, I'm thinking 475 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 2: about one of the biggest sports in the world, which 476 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 2: is NASCAR. So our NASCAR drivers staying on top of 477 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 2: their car maintenance just. 478 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 4: Like this too, absolutely, because they love cars much more 479 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 4: on me, and they have more expensive cars than I do, 480 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 4: and so maintenance is crucial. You don't want to have 481 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 4: to sit there and try to rebuild the engines. So 482 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 4: they care about that because they recognize performance, and they're 483 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 4: much more in tune with their vehicles than I will 484 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 4: ever hope to be. 485 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 3: Well, let's be fair, they have a whole team of 486 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 3: people helping them too, right. I mean, no one races 487 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 3: NASCAR alone. 488 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 4: That's true, they have a whole team. But their personal vehicles, 489 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 4: I think they have a part of it. Yes, they 490 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 4: probably know, like Jay Leno's garage, he got his whole 491 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 4: team to maintain it. But they get their hands into 492 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 4: their dirt also because they love that. It's their passion 493 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 4: and they don't want to be ten feet away. 494 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, speaking of passion, I mean, you're very passionate 495 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 2: about your job. You've shared so much amazing information with 496 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,439 Speaker 2: us already today. Is there something else fun that you 497 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 2: can share with us about it? Are there any cool 498 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 2: new technologies in the vehicle lubricant world that you want 499 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 2: to tell us about? No pun intended, But what gets 500 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 2: your gears going in this world? 501 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 4: For me, the fun part is talking to people like 502 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 4: you guys, talking to the consumer, talking to the users, 503 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,919 Speaker 4: talking to the enthusiasts that work with us, and that 504 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 4: like vehicles and like cars, the technology is what makes 505 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 4: me a super nerd. To the consumer, Oil's a brown stuff, 506 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 4: but there is difference the same way I go back 507 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 4: to that super analogy, Why did you go to your 508 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 4: favorites restaurant because of that favorite soup and why has 509 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 4: that chef made it better? I think it's the stuff 510 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 4: that we've putting Over the years. Oil has been conventional 511 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 4: synthetic synthetic plen but the technology in the basal how 512 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 4: we make the based stock soup from materials into what 513 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,919 Speaker 4: we have developed in the last over ten years that 514 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 4: we have launched in the marketplace is what we call 515 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 4: our GTL gas to liquid based oil. That is our 516 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 4: bread butter in making a lot of our premium synthetic lubricants, 517 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 4: and that product has so much better. It's better because 518 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 4: it has better temperature resistance, it has better oxidation resistance, 519 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 4: it has better flow quality of high and low temperatures, 520 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 4: it has better ability to pull heat out of the system. 521 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 4: And so when I am able to start with a 522 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 4: better based stock, I can then focus on the additives 523 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 4: and the additive technology. Like I mentioned, I spent over 524 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 4: a year and a half looking at just friction modifiers, 525 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,360 Speaker 4: just one ingredients that we can put into our products. 526 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 4: And the oil formulator is kind of like your soup chef. 527 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 4: It's finding that perfect balance in that and the technologies 528 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 4: that we've had now is nothing compared to what Penzol 529 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 4: and all the other guys had did twenty thirty years ago. 530 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 4: This is a new science, this is new chemistries. The 531 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 4: technology has to catch up with the hardware that's out there, 532 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 4: right and the oil has to be there to perform 533 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 4: just as hard as those engines are designed to do, 534 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 4: major differences in chemistry and the design of the oil. 535 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 4: It is a beautiful thing and it's a fun thing. 536 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 3: Sean final question, what is your favorite soup? 537 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so hungry now. 538 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 4: Now the Vietnamese in me would say Phu fun is 539 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 4: a national comfort food. But right now I got chili. 540 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,439 Speaker 4: I'm from Texas and chili right yeah, Chili is the 541 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 4: soup for the day, for the now. But fur I 542 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 4: can have fun anytime. Every place I go around the 543 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 4: country in North America, I test their fu to see how. 544 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 2: Good they're fuz is who's winning well? 545 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 4: Texas is still number one. 546 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 3: Okay. Yeah, Well, whatever your next meal is, be it souper. Otherwise, 547 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 3: I just hope that it is homegrown, locally sourced ingredients 548 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 3: and made in the kitchen. It should be like any 549 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 3: good motor oil. Wow, and it's John. It's been a 550 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 3: pleasure talking to you. Thank you so much for sharing 551 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 3: all of your knowledge from your extensive research. 552 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, it's been fund for me. Thank you 553 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 4: for having me. 554 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 2: We'll see you on the road, all. 555 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 3: Right, take care. 556 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 2: I wish I knew as much about anything as Sean 557 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:23,919 Speaker 2: knows about oil technology. 558 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 3: Well, good news. I don't think anyone does, so I 559 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,959 Speaker 3: think you're good. But luckily we've got another brand new 560 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 3: episode coming your way in two weeks. 561 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 2: Well, Matt, you know that I love learning, so I 562 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 2: will very much be looking forward to that, and until then, 563 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 2: good luck being a grown up. 564 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 3: This is a production of Ruby Studio from iHeartMedia. 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