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Speaker 1: really cool pots. This one I'm really happy with. Justin

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Speaker 1: and so you just go on the street and you

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00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 1: just literally just look for any any stranger, anyone that's

426
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 1: that's breathing, and you go and talk to him and

427
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 1: try and start up a conversation to him and teach

428
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 1: him about Jesus Christ and then our message. And so

429
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,120
Speaker 1: that's literally what it was like. We also had appointments though,

430
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 1: so we when we meet with someone, you get a

431
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,680
Speaker 1: return appointment, get their contact info, and then that's someone

432
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 1: you could potentially go see that day, so you just

433
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 1: have to to call them. A lot of them, you know,

434
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 1: didn't call back. We get cards, they never respond, but

435
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 1: you get something that would and so you'd be like,

436
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,239
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna go see John at at three

437
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,920
Speaker 1: o'clock at his house and and go and meet him.

438
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 1: So it literally just depended on, you know, the day.

439
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 1: Some days we're for super dry, not a lot of contacts, um,

440
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 1: not a lot of success. It felt like they're gonna

441
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 1: talk to a lot of people. But there are also

442
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 1: days where our schedules were super full and and we

443
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 1: talked to a lot of people and set up a

444
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 1: lot of lessons. So there's there's something about you. You

445
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 1: have an air of positivity that is really remarkable. And

446
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's just because you're playing basketball

447
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 1: now and you're in a good place, but I've I've

448
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 1: noticed it for the past couple of years and watched

449
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 1: you as as just endured my job. You know. Um,

450
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 1: there's a the famous Princeton coaches guy named Pete Kill

451
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 1: and Pete had an expression and his one of his

452
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 1: four point guards when they beet U c l A.

453
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,159
Speaker 1: His point guard was Sidney Johnson. Sidney's a friend of

454
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 1: mine and he he was the head coach of Fairfield,

455
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 1: and he said that Pete used to Pete used to say,

456
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 1: you know, he wants people that are light bulbs. Light

457
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,479
Speaker 1: bulbs light up every room, and that's that's your personality.

458
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 1: But everybody has a day in which sometimes you're off,

459
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 1: you miss your family, you know, I mean, life of

460
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 1: missionary is not easy. So when you when you're when

461
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: you're reflecting and you're reading, was there is there a passage?

462
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 1: Is there something that you would when you had a

463
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 1: tough day, that you would read that you would study

464
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,679
Speaker 1: that would kind of bring you back and research you. Mhm,

465
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: that's a good yeah, that's a great question. There were

466
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 1: definitely days, um. And you know, when you're a missionary,

467
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 1: you're you're always supposed to try and look happy and

468
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 1: and look because you know that you are the message.

469
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: You know, you're not just just telling people. It's not

470
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 1: just lip service. You know, you have to to act

471
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: and just to be you know, happy, and it's hard

472
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,679
Speaker 1: sometimes to do that. But I definitely do mean this

473
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,120
Speaker 1: when I say that, even though I did have bad days,

474
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 1: I never had a doubt that the things would get better,

475
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: that there would be, um, you know, light at the

476
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: end of the tunnel, if if it was a tough

477
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 1: day or not. And I think a lot of that

478
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,679
Speaker 1: stems from just how I grew up, how I was raised.

479
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: My family was always super supportive of me. They're always

480
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 1: really go with me, and they didn't force me, you know,

481
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: to come out there. They always made it a priority

482
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: to let me and my brothers know because I had

483
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 1: three older brothers at all served missions before me. So

484
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 1: it's not like I was the pioneer, you know, I was.

485
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: I had a lot of experience to learn from UM.

486
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, there was my there was a time where

487
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: I was super, super down in the dumbs. It was

488
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: my second area, UM in Fallon, Fallon, Nevada, and um

489
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: we had mice in our apartment. That was that was

490
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: probably the worst place I lived. Was wasn't found UM

491
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: just this little white house and it was super nasty.

492
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: But there were times when I just I read my

493
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 1: dad's email that he sent me and he attached to

494
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: a copy of The Race by D. H. Grober. I

495
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 1: don't know if you've read it round, but that was

496
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: a big, um, you know, a lift for me. And

497
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 1: obviously there's a lot of scriptures you know, in the

498
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: in the Book of Mormon and also the Bible that

499
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 1: that I used to help me, and I use that

500
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 1: for other people and so but I think that the Race,

501
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 1: UM that total change my mindset. You know, it's it's

502
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 1: not about how many times you fall, but it is

503
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: truly about you know what you're gonna do when adversity

504
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: hits and and how you react to that. So I've

505
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 1: carried that with me, you know, to Utah State just

506
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 1: throughout my life, and I definitely know that I am

507
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 1: the player that I am because because I served the

508
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 1: mission and so yeah, so I really do believe that. Um. Okay,

509
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 1: so I told the story on air for the first

510
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: thing before we get to that. So I also, you know,

511
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: I was saying, how no, we're gonna want to guard

512
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 1: you church ball. Now. What you don't know is, so

513
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: I grew up in I grew up in Orange, California, Okay,

514
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 1: and um, and there's a Mormon church that was down

515
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: the street from my school. Buddy named Rick Ray was Mormon.

516
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: And Rick we used to sneak into the Mormon church

517
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 1: and we play ball. That's that's that's the only indoor

518
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: gym near where I grew up because California everything's outdoors

519
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 1: and the middle schools even don't have gyms whatever, So

520
00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: we sneak in there. Um. So I know all about

521
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: like Mormon church ball. And then when I was in Canton, Connecticut, Uh,

522
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: brother Anderson lived across the street for me. He's a

523
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 1: Utah dat alone and um, his son went to the Philippines.

524
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: He's got a great, incredible family. And then across the street,

525
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: um uh. And then across the street with the wall

526
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: Burgers and they're also Mormon family permentors re crossed the

527
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: street up the street there. But Mormon fail anyway, So

528
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: I and there was a there was a Mormon temple

529
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: in the avon Um and there's a Mormon church in

530
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 1: our town. Whatever. So every Mormon church has a basketball chip.

531
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 1: But you're a missionary and you're telling me there's no hoop.

532
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,719
Speaker 1: So did you get to play basketball at all? Mhm

533
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: um every Monday? Well not every Monday. Most Mondays you

534
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: know are P day, preparation day. That's when I would play,

535
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: you know, probably like an hour hour and a half.

536
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: And so it was me. It was myself and then

537
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: some other missionaries in our in our area. So in

538
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: Reno there were problem the like twenty missionaries twenty of

539
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: us UM and a couple of companionships were sister missionaries,

540
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 1: so they're females. UM. So yeah, we we play every Monday.

541
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 1: You know, you do all your grocery shopping, you write

542
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: your family, and you go to the church. So yeah,

543
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: we had a key you know to the church building.

544
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 1: And um that was at that time. So it's probably

545
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,959
Speaker 1: people like, dude, you gotta play when you're done. You

546
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 1: you got it? Like, were you so out of shape?

547
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: Oh dad? It was it was bad. Well, you gotta

548
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 1: keep in mind, Uh, there's a lot of people that

549
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: none of us are in shape, Like we're all bad.

550
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: But because I had had the most experience and I

551
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: still wanted to play, I still was. I still would

552
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: say I was disciplined. You know, my eating habits the

553
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,959
Speaker 1: last year my mission, I told because we eat at

554
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: members homes, members of the church, they feed us each night,

555
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: and I told him I'm like, I'm not having dessert,

556
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: Like I know you're gonna gonna cook it, but I'm

557
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: not having it. Some of them I thought that was cool,

558
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: but most of them were like, are you serious like that?

559
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: What are you doing? We're here to feed you, like

560
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: you gotta eat. No, I gotta play some basketball after this.

561
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lay low. But but yeah, I know. And

562
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: the GSR, the Grand Sierra Resorts, that's like the biggest

563
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: hotel and casino and reno. Um. Yeah, so they stayed there.

564
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: My mission presence like, hey, I'll take you. Let's go.

565
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: Where is this that? So we go pull in and

566
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: we take we take like three steps in the lobby

567
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: in the main lobby, open the doors. The cigarette smoke

568
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: hits us like a like a wave. Of my mission present.

569
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: I just kind of look at him and he's just

570
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: like his eyes were just big. He's just like, uh,

571
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: we're both just like shock because you're in such a

572
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: a reserved and like protected environments and missionary and even

573
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: him as well, like he wasn't under the same guidelines

574
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: we were like he could have a little more freedom

575
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: with some things, but for us, for me, it was

576
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: just like what is going on? Like I had not

577
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: been used, I hadn't seen any of this in like

578
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: a year and a half. So um yeah. So he

579
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: specter comes and he can just tell, you know, the

580
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: word like not comfortable. So he's just like, oh bad,

581
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: Like hey, uh that's we can go somewhere else. And

582
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: then my president is just like, oh, yeah, I saw

583
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: a subway across the street, let's go. So it was him,

584
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: he initiated it. And then we just literally just walked

585
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: over about a couple of blocks away from the hotel

586
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: and just sat in there, got me a chicken bacon

587
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: ranch six in. I didn't want to see my right exactly.

588
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to make a batter, bake chips or

589
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: did you bake chips? Did you do no chips? I

590
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: don't do bake chips. If I'm gonna cheat, disgusting. You

591
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: can do chips. Do chips right, exactly, you get it.

592
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: Um So, yeah, we're just sitting there and okay, and

593
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: so was his sale. You were going to get a scholarship,

594
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: you were gonna walk on and have a chance to play.

595
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,959
Speaker 1: Like what was his honest pitch too? Yeah, his his

596
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: honest pitch was literally just, um, we have a preferred

597
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: walk on spot. And he he He did say though,

598
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: that they were looking at another guy. He said that

599
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: we're looking at another guy. He's six nine to thirty

600
00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: out of Juco. I can't remember which Juco, but it

601
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: was the coaches were just trying to decide between like

602
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: a stretch for like a more versatile player like me,

603
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: or if they wanted a traditional post player. So only

604
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: by the way, I just want to play that out.

605
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: You're a shrink poor on the scatter report a stretch

606
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: for when I show up, So no doubt, I love it.

607
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: I love it. I appreciate that. Um so yeah, that's

608
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: that's kind of what the mindset. So you you walk

609
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: away from it, and did you call your dads that

610
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: this will want to go or what was the because

611
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: what was the decision? Like, yeah, well, I was all in.

612
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: I was like, this is great. You know my mom

613
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: went to school year UM, seems like a great opportunity. Obviously,

614
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: Spencer Um was a great player for him, my dad

615
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: knew him really well and so I trusted him. So

616
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,719
Speaker 1: that was kind of the contact that I wanted to

617
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: to kind of take a step further and just be like, yeah,

618
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: this is where I want to go. But on his end,

619
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: he just said, we still got to talk things out,

620
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: see where the season, how we end up, and we'll

621
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: let you know in about a month. So I still

622
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: had no knowledge of if I was even gonna go

623
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: there still UM. So I found out he sent me

624
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: an email like a month later and I get it

625
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: on Monday and I opened it up and he's like congratulations,

626
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: like we got a spot for you you can walk on.

627
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: And for me, I was like I just won the lottery.

628
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: Like it was like no way, Like this is this

629
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: is awesome because it's just what I wanted. So I'm

630
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: over there type in you know, like a hundred words

631
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: per minute, tell me fam And it was that was

632
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: one time I wish and my mission that could have

633
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: just called him up. You know you can only well

634
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: now you can. When I was a share they changed

635
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: some guidelines. Yeah, you can only call Mother's Day and

636
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: Christmas twice a year, so there's no yeah, yeah, now

637
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: yeah they went, they went, stopped on it. But yeah, yeah, no,

638
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: it's just email account. It was it a hotmail or

639
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: dot com? Yeah, it was my LDS mail met I

640
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: did you guys had your own server? Um? Okay, So

641
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: what when does the mission end? What time of year?

642
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: Deusion mission? Yeah? For everyone, it's different. For me, I

643
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: got there in August, and some missionaries have the option

644
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: to go home transfer early, and for me, I wanted

645
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: to do that because they had been starting workouts. So

646
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: I got home end of June is when I got home,

647
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: and then they were going on in Italy trip um

648
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: to go play two weeks later. So I literally just

649
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: had a couple of weeks to work out and get there.

650
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: So it was literally like off the plane, take the

651
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: shirt and tie off, get the practice gear on, and

652
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: let's go and who'd you where'd you work out? Just

653
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: that the fastness. I just flew right to right to

654
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: logan Um. After I got home, I was there for

655
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: a few days and then just flew out some workouts

656
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: and yeah, that's how it started off. So how did

657
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: you play when you hadn't played? So what do you think?

658
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: But but they're used to it, right, because I mean

659
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: like like they are used to it. They're like this

660
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: is how guys look for sure. But I think in

661
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: my case, I did have that few months of working

662
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,919
Speaker 1: out getting back in shape for me, like brock Miller,

663
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 1: he got he got off his mission in February and

664
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: in February that year, and then he had a few

665
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 1: months to get back in shape and get the rest off.

666
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: So I'm like calling him and asking him about like

667
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: drills and stuff that's going on, and just like my

668
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: head is spinning, and that first week of workouts, I

669
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: just questioned. I was like, am I is this really

670
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: the right? Ideas? Been so sore? That was so I

671
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 1: was told that the story that I was told was

672
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: did you go to Italy with him? But there was

673
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: some workout of the way before Italy where they're all like,

674
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 1: we gotta dude here, right, Yeah, Oh that's a great

675
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,439
Speaker 1: story to tell me about it. Yeah. So it's called

676
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 1: the Celtic drill, and uh, the Celtic drill I don't

677
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: know how long it's been around or who's what teams

678
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,280
Speaker 1: have used it, but basically it was just a conditioning

679
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: drill and you had to touch, you have to go

680
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 1: down and back just full court um end to end

681
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: twenty seven times in two and a half minutes. And

682
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where you can't really plan

683
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: it out and know how hard it is until you

684
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: do it. And but Coach Nelson he gave give me

685
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: a heads up. He said, hey, there's a conditioning test.

686
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: All the guys have to pass it before the workouts start,

687
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 1: and for you, you're gonna have to pass it the

688
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: day get there, so like you better be, you know,

689
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 1: getting in shape. And I'm like, alright, thirty minutes, it's

690
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: all I got each morning. And so that I did.

691
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: I when we we went to the track every morning

692
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 1: for the time that I was there, and I literally

693
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: would just run sprints just just by myself, um twenty

694
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: six times. And I did that every morning until for

695
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: about three months probably, And so I get there and

696
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: and all the guys are like, oh man, who's this kid.

697
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: He looks pretty out of shape. But I'll tell you

698
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: what I was. I was conditioned to do that drill.

699
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. I couldn't do anything else, couldn't trouble,

700
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,919
Speaker 1: couldn't shoot, couldn't do anything. But I could. I could

701
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: run twenty six times better than anyone on that team,

702
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: and uh and I did. I I smoked everybody. I

703
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: mean all those guys, you know, Sam and Um reporter

704
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: Diogo Brito. I mean I finished two laps ahead of them,

705
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: and uh, it's still was It's still was hard. We're

706
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: all just you know, coughing. Our lines were dead. But

707
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: that was the one thing. They're like, man like, Bean's

708
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: got he's got energy, Man Like he's he's got something.

709
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: So that was I definitely used that after my advantage,

710
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 1: you know, going forward. I was like, if anyone's gonna

711
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: gonna work as hard as me, you know, they've got

712
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 1: another thing coming. So when when did you get the scholarship?

713
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: It was January of twenty Yeah, January. So we'll get

714
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: to that one. Okay, we'll get that one. Secon could

715
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 1: see change happened when that happened the year after. Sorry, yeah,

716
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: I restured that year all year and then coach Smith

717
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: came in that summer. Okay, so but coach Jrry was

718
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 1: the first coach that ever talked to you through you.

719
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: You know, he'd been a life to have assistant there,

720
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 1: and obviously things kind of went went sideways right the

721
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: A d did hired him laught because Scott bars left

722
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: wing to pit whatever. So like, now of a sudden,

723
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: you're trusting, like this is a big time basketball where

724
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: everybody from coach Moral's clan was gone and they hire

725
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: some guy from South Dakota. No one knew what was

726
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: What was your first interaction with him? Like, um, it

727
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: was my first interaction with Coach Smith was that. I mean,

728
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 1: I didn't know what to expect, but when I first

729
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: heard him speak, I'm just like, this dude has charisma

730
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: like more than any coach or any honestly any person really,

731
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: He's just so energetic. At the moment you see him

732
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: and just interact with him, you just want to like

733
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: just hunt like a brick wall or so you just

734
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: want to do something. I just want to get up

735
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: and get active and just go for it. And so

736
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: he's always been able to channel that and and help

737
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: us do the same. And so but yeah, I honestly,

738
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: with like the scholarship and everything, I wondered I had

739
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: questions because I had worked that whole first year to

740
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: get better, get back in shape, and then new coach

741
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: comes in, so it's like, all right, I'm starting from

742
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: scratching and so you got to prove yourself. But the

743
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 1: first meeting I ever had with him, you just said,

744
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: after seeing me a couple of workouts, he's just like

745
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: being like, you're the type of player that we that

746
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: we like like in our system, like being able to

747
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: move without the ball, and just your energy, your activity.

748
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: And because he you know, I had proved myself in

749
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: any other aspect of my game at that point, and

750
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: so being able to dribble, um rebounding, you know, he hadn't.

751
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: He didn't know that either, but he still gave me

752
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 1: that confidence to say, Okay, let's roll with it. Let's

753
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: see what coach Smith from South Dakota can do with

754
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 1: Utah State. And so I'm glad. I'm glad stuck around.

755
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: I had thoughts of maybe transferring, maybe going to my

756
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: dad's on the monitor, but again I wouldn't have had

757
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: a scholarship, and so that was the best thing to do.

758
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: So what was Sam like? SAMs great? He was great

759
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 1: from day one. He's always been a a calm composed

760
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: just I would say on the court's he's the loudest

761
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,720
Speaker 1: person you know, however he's he's vocal. He's not afraid

762
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: to tell you, um, you know what to do if

763
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 1: if you're messing up, He'll be the first to get

764
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: in your face and say, all right, hey, this is

765
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: what you gotta do. But it was it was never negative.

766
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: It was always just you know, we need you to

767
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: do this like you do your part. And hardest working

768
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: guy you know I've ever been around. He's always in

769
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: the gym and I definitely look up to him for that.

770
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, I owe him a lot, just that development

771
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: that first year for me and ever since then just

772
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: being the player I am now, just because he was

773
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: always that guy that everyone knew was gonna You knew

774
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: what you were getting out of Sam Merrill every night. Okay,

775
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: Sonny comes in and I like, dude from Portugal. But

776
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: what's cool about your club is you gotta you guys

777
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: that speak Portuguese, right, you said, uh do go right?

778
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: You got Brito being Brito Combo. I used to love

779
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 1: that one. That was but but you had other dudes

780
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,439
Speaker 1: that that spoke spoke Portuguese. So now, but you didn't

781
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: speak Portuguese, right, you speak any of the language English

782
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: and in Nevada because you different betting terms your you

783
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: know what? I thought? Okay, But so this this dude

784
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: gets there from Portugal, right and all these guys are

785
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: speaking Portuguese in the locker room. What was that in

786
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: first interaction? Like it was weird, It was weird. It

787
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: was pretty amusing though, Like I would just catch myself

788
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: just kind of listening and just kind of staring at

789
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: the two of them because it was there. Whenever they

790
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: speak together Portuguese, it was always loud. It was never

791
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,399
Speaker 1: just a casual station. They were always yelling at each

792
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: other about something and um, and so I couldn't tell

793
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: you what they were talking about, but they definitely were passionate.

794
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: And uh, it was really good for both of them

795
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: to have that because they definitely I think they used

796
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 1: it to their advantage and being able to learn English together.

797
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 1: And and Diogo he he spoke really good English when

798
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: he first got there, and Mimi was it was harder

799
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: for him. It was an adjustment. So he took some

800
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: classes and and I mean you talked with him now,

801
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 1: it's like you wouldn't even suspect, you know, anything else

802
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: if he's a really good, good speaker. Now, so, um, okay,

803
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: what's it like to go from where you were your

804
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: first year your coach gets fired to win a league

805
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: championship like that is And it happened fast too. It

806
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 1: wasn't like, well, he's like, you know five years ago.

807
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,959
Speaker 1: We was like, maam, all of a sudden, you guys

808
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: are Mountain West champions. What's that feeling like when you

809
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: guys were cutting down nets after what it was like previously?

810
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: It was it was real, to be honest, it was

811
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: coming in. We were picked ninth that year to finish

812
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: in the league, and we always I feel like we

813
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: always had had a chip on our shoulder. Um, but

814
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 1: it was never it was never about what anyone else said.

815
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: It was literally just about what we could control. And

816
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 1: Coach Smith preaches that. He's he's always saying, you know,

817
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: control the controllables, you know, be the tougher team, um,

818
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: you know, stay together, just simple things that really I

819
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: think um went a long way in terms of just

820
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: our success. And because we didn't have a lot of

821
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 1: experience that first year. I mean, you had sam Um

822
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: Diogo Quinn Taylor was was a great vetteran forest. But

823
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: outside of that, you know, there's a lot of new

824
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: guys coming in. So I think, looking back on it,

825
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: I think it's hard to choose which one, which championship

826
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: I think was well, yet so many years like to

827
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: let me clarily, well, yeah, I mean like like you

828
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: went win them with this year, then you get this

829
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: year back. That's true. I'd be a twenty five year

830
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: old senior that'd be, uh, well, you have them all

831
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,479
Speaker 1: the time. That's true. That's true. That's true. But no, yeah,

832
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: it's it's amazing. Honestly, I was told you were crazy

833
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 1: if you told me that that we'd come in there

834
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: and do what we did, you know, after everything before

835
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: knowing Coachman, before you know, interacting with him and seeing what. Yeah,

836
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean honestly, like, look, I grew up

837
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: in southern California and back when they were a dominant

838
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 1: team in the Big West and then the Whack. But

839
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: when you when they first got in the league, it

840
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: was like it was too much, Like the league was

841
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: really really good and you know, they were a Big

842
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: West Whack level team and it was too much, and

843
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: you know, to to go from there to all of

844
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: a sudden rolling out pros. Yeah, and you know you

845
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: have two pros on the team. What what was that

846
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 1: like for for Nemi last year? You guys know what

847
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: people didn't know if you come back to his freshman

848
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: year then comes back, he's got a knee injury. So

849
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: he's not right. Um, but he seems like kind of

850
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: like you were on was like positive forces. But was

851
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: he was he like that when like, man, maybe I

852
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 1: should have gone pro instead of coming back. Well, he's

853
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: me has always been super selfless and uh, he just

854
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: that dude just loves to win. Um. And so I

855
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: think his mindset after the injury, obviously he was he

856
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: was devastated. Um, he had big plans, you know, but

857
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: I think when he that dude was always just just

858
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: in the gym, just just trying to get better. But

859
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: his mindset has always been just I'm a I'm a

860
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: team first guy. And you you say that's crazy, but

861
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 1: it's that's true because of how talented he is. You

862
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: you would think that, you know, as he really is

863
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: the most selfless person. I mean he he passes more

864
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 1: out of the post than than anyone I've ever played with.

865
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: And that dude could score at will if you wanted to.

866
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: But he's always been about making the right play. And

867
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 1: so I think for him that definitely, hopefully scouts and

868
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: coaches see that, um, that he's never been about himself,

869
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: but that he's willing to do whatever it takes to

870
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 1: get to the next level. And I think he's definitely

871
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: proven that. So whether or not you know he's he

872
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: still hasn't said anything officially about what he's gonna do

873
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: after this year, but we all support him and we

874
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: know he's gonna, you know, do whatever is best for him.

875
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 1: So okay, So b Yu and you taught hate each other,

876
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: right and so ugly they stopped playing each other. Where

877
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: is Utah State in that? Like? Do you guys, are

878
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: you guys good with Utah guys? Or do you hate?

879
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: Does everybody hate you? Like? How does it give me

880
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: the whole bee Hive state? Because that I don't even

881
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: to get into Weaver in Utah Valley and those and

882
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: and Dixie a the between those two don't like each other.

883
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: That is well documented. Where is Utah State in that mix? Um?

884
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you how other schools view us. I'm

885
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: not really sure. Um, but I think in terms of

886
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: I mean, we definitely want to be the best team

887
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: in Utah each year, so those games are are huge.

888
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:58,240
Speaker 1: They're definitely rivalry games. And obviously we have a a streak.

889
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 1: We've got a break here with BYU. It's been a

890
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: long time since we're beating those guys, and uh, I

891
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: haven't played Utah for a couple of years, so um, yeah,

892
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: but anytime we play those guys, it's definitely the tensions

893
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: are high, but there's no actual like personal beef. You know,

894
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: I don't think any of our guys really talked to

895
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: him at all. I think one time last summer, I

896
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: think if you guys had a little run with some

897
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: Utah Valley guys, like a summer run, just playing pickup.

898
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: But that's about it. Honestly, you probably have to ask

899
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: Stephen Ashworth that question being from lom Peak. Yeah, Lottle,

900
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: big guy, those guys, those are all those do what

901
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: you guys? What is the deal with all you guys

902
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: having the fresh cuts like literally everybody now, Yeah, yeah,

903
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: that's nice. I mean I made a mistake when I

904
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 1: was in college, back when I had really good hair,

905
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: I'd like cut it myself I've seen it. It was fresh,

906
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: it was it was it was well, it was it

907
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: was full, it was very full. Yeah. But but you

908
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 1: guys like it's like a team to Sam. I think

909
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: that's Sam's leadership. I think that is always clean, clean

910
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 1: in hair or is it the Mormon missionary thing. It's

911
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: funny you say that because Coach Smith last week or

912
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, he's like, man, what he

913
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: was asking the same thing you were. He's like, what's

914
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: with all these these return missionary cuts? That's what he

915
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 1: That's what he calls them, the RM cuts. So great

916
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: minds think alike. But you know, I think it's just

917
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: it could be a culture thing. Um, I've never done

918
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: my hair any other way, being from Oklahoma, so maybe

919
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: I maybe I get a pass being from Oklahoma. But

920
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. Man, it's uh. I know brock Miller

921
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: definitely takes pride and and it's being bald and he's

922
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 1: never been about it. Yeah that while they're the whole

923
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 1: staff was bald, right, Yeah. Yeah, the cameraman couldn't even

924
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: get it right. Yeah. If you saw that they were

925
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: flashing on different three different guys. Yeah, uh, okay, So

926
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: you also have this intangible ability, and I think a

927
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: lot of be why you guys have this to you

928
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: have it, but also the way you play. Somebody wants

929
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 1: to fight to almost every game. I think that's a gift.

930
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 1: My brother coach a Cow. There was a dude named

931
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: Joge Gutierrez Jog played in the NBA for a long time.

932
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 1: He was playing in Mexico now and uh he was

933
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: at you ever Finley Prep, you know, like the prep

934
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,399
Speaker 1: school and henperson. Okay, So my brother gets assistant job.

935
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: He's at Sandy Stay. He gets this John a Cow

936
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: and he's like, all right, I gotta get I gotta

937
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: get player from Finley now in Pact Tannic and the recruit.

938
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 1: So he goes there on the coach there like he's

939
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: looking at like Tristan Thompson is there always the guys

940
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: like do you want a player? Take the Mexican kid

941
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 1: and he had a long ponytail and he's terrible, Like

942
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: just to look at is not looking a ball player? Right,

943
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: It's like why don't want to be Like, well, here's

944
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: the thing. Any time we play a game, team wins,

945
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: and any time we play a game, somebody other team

946
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 1: wants to fight. Him, and he became packedtrol Player of

947
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,720
Speaker 1: the Year at Cow. But every game he played, somebody

948
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: wanted to fight him. Dudes want to fight you because

949
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: you just play hard. You just you never stopped playing hard.

950
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: You never stopped rebounding, always moving, and so there has

951
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: to be like you ever have this, like you're hearing

952
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: guys want to fight to do you ever stop and

953
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: catching your trucula play hard against Nevada. I had a

954
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: couple of dudes say psycho like being psycho, man, But

955
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: it's always been interment we called psycho. I'm just like, yeah,

956
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: you call the voices, the voices in my head saying

957
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: I know I need to next game, I will for sure,

958
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: I'll get you back. But no, I've never been that

959
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: kind of guy to just you know, talk back. But

960
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: I've always just kind of taken it with a grain

961
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: of salt, just been like that. You notice it though,

962
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: because I noticed it. Guys, guys look at you like

963
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 1: this guy part. Does you just play so hard for Yeah,

964
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make it as hard on you as I can.

965
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: If you're my matchup, then then yeah, I'm gonna I'm

966
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: gonna make it, you know, miserable for you, or at

967
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: least try to, because I think it. It doesn't only

968
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: give me an ant, but I think, you know, my

969
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 1: teammates see that and there it's kind of that gay

970
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: to mentality, so we all just are locked into that.

971
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: It's it's weird the you guys being on the bubble

972
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: is weird to me because you know, and and I

973
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 1: know everybody that covers the conference. Like here's the if

974
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,720
Speaker 1: you watch TV, everybody shows from the conference they covered,

975
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: you know, like, oh, you get fifty teams in right,

976
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: And I watched with an open mind, and I'm like,

977
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: you swim standing your state obviously lost the boys even

978
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: she didn't have Raleigh and boys is good, Like they're

979
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: legit good hard matchup for you because they play so

980
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: small and spread you out. Um uh. And I though

981
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: I understand previous years shouldn't play a factor. H this

982
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: is a tournament team from the last two years. Granted

983
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: you don't have Sam Meryl like you have all these

984
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: other dudes. What is it like when people seem to

985
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 1: overlook how good your team feels like you are You're

986
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:56,280
Speaker 1: going how are your playing? Yeah, that's a good question.

987
00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: We again, were we believe in each other, we know

988
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 1: we we believe we're a tournament team, that's for sure.

989
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, it's it's we

990
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 1: just have to keep our eyes, you know, on the prize,

991
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: and that's winning a conference championship. And and that's not

992
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 1: to say that that's been just to get an auto bid,

993
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: like we just want to we just want to win

994
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 1: the league. Man, we just wanted what it would I'd

995
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: be I'd be insane. I think the last team that

996
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: did that was what in New Mexico maybe early Yeah,

997
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: I did that game? Did the game went to Harvard?

998
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: It was oh the in the first round? Was that

999
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: was offered there at the time. They had that bear

1000
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: Stone brother. Yeah, that's right, he was the four, and

1001
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: then they had a big center and Harvard went small

1002
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: and they never adjusted. He never went small to match

1003
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: up with them, and they got they got beat. Yeah,

1004
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,760
Speaker 1: it was a crazy Harvard first ever win. I called

1005
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: that game. It was nuts. And that in the Mexican

1006
00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: team was legit. Really they were really good. The league

1007
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: was really good. Then seeing the Stay was good, Wyoming

1008
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,919
Speaker 1: was good. Josh avagees that Wyoming um and then who

1009
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: else was good? Oh? Vegas was good. Vegas talented. They're talented.

1010
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,240
Speaker 1: So yeah, but yeah, I think we just were taken

1011
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:16,919
Speaker 1: a day at of time and we're always just trying

1012
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: to get better. I know that's probably the most cliche

1013
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: you can say, but um, it's true. Like we just

1014
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: care about getting better, um and then taking it one

1015
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 1: game at a time. So Coach Smith, you know, he

1016
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: said today, you know, we just we just gotta be

1017
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: three teams. Like I know, there's eleven in this league.

1018
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 1: It could be easy to look at what other kids

1019
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: are doing, especially in the in the tournament, but we

1020
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: just kind of focus on you and LV and and

1021
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 1: go from there. So and you know, he's one of

1022
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: the teams that beat you, and you know, which is

1023
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: crazy considering how well you played the next game you

1024
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: when you play Vegas. All right, last question, then you

1025
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: gotta you, I mean, you got stop to do Yeah, Okay,

1026
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know, I know, I know.

1027
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 1: Now you get your desserts. Thank you, eat your desserts

1028
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: you want, you know, you don't go to everybody's house

1029
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: and eat their dessert What is your favorite dessert, by

1030
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: the way, cheesecake, strawberry cheesecake. No hesitation, you don't want

1031
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: to answer. You didn't have to, don't have to talk

1032
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 1: about it. Peanut butter and jelly. What's your peanut butter

1033
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: and jelly ratio? Like peanut butter and jelly. Um, I

1034
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: would probably say, oh, that's a good question. We're going

1035
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 1: in terms of like we split it up in like

1036
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: thirds or well, I don't know, do you do what

1037
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: do you do the dinal cut or do that halfway cut?

1038
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: Do you go and force like years old quarters? I

1039
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 1: mean better white? I mean we bread now, I go

1040
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: week bread now. I try to be healthy. I know

1041
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: you're gonna roll your eyes. Do look like a white bread?

1042
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,399
Speaker 1: I mean trying to go a Mormon kid from which

1043
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 1: white bread? Right? I'm really an uncrustable guy. That's that's

1044
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: what I am. I'm an uncrustable guy. You know the

1045
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:56,760
Speaker 1: incrustables that they sell the freezer frozen section. So whatever

1046
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: ratio that is, that's probably a little more jelly by

1047
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: pre made Pelly. Yeah, man, worked as hard as you.

1048
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: I would think that a peen barter and jelly sandwich

1049
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 1: is just like the easiest thing to whip up. No, No,

1050
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: it's it's really not. I mean, I gotta get to

1051
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: the gym. I gotta gotta get my guts in. Is

1052
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:19,760
Speaker 1: that you're killing me? It definitely is great, great top three,

1053
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: top free movie right there? What are the other two?

1054
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 1: The other two are Glory Rhodes number one, no doubt,

1055
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: and then uh Glory Rood would remember Remember the Titans,

1056
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: remember the things. I mean, I'm a basketball guy though,

1057
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: but it is it is. Yeah, I would say, so, okay,

1058
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: do you have your opinion? Your opinion could be right.

1059
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: Where does users stack up? I'm here, where's the stack

1060
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: up on yours? Well, Hoosiers is a better basketball movie

1061
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:56,720
Speaker 1: then Glory Gloria Rhodes a better Glory Rhodes a better story. Yeah,

1062
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: and it's good probably that watch all these and my son.

1063
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 1: My son's like, dad, why are we watching? Why did

1064
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: you first thing that doesn't understand? Like why didn't people

1065
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: like black people? I don't understand. I was like, I

1066
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: don't either. And then but then we you know, we

1067
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: watched the Remember the Titans, watch that one other one

1068
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: we watched too, and and he was like, enough of

1069
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,720
Speaker 1: the movies or people that were people don't like black people.

1070
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: I can't watch him. We're done with that. But he

1071
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: loves we, like we're more of a Hoosiers family part

1072
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: of it. Have you ever been hankled? I have not been. No.

1073
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: If you guys get to the tournament, you could play

1074
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 1: in Hankle, which is it's the best. I'm telling it's

1075
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,800
Speaker 1: the coolest place. You feel like you're in the nineteen twenties.

1076
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 1: You're like, this is really cool set up. You know

1077
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: how the arena set up? Yeah, so they redid it.

1078
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 1: So if you watch Hoosiers, they read it's much nicer

1079
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: than it used to be, but it's still very It

1080
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: has this like overhanging stands behind each basket and then

1081
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: has these beautiful windows. It's mcne it's really it's it's

1082
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 1: a cathedral more than than it's. Okay, so what do

1083
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: you so? Glory Road were there too? The other too?

1084
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:12,720
Speaker 1: Seeah Glory Road remember the Titans and then Sam Although

1085
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 1: that's right, yeah, yeah, good, it's good lists from a

1086
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: good one. I'm a golf guy too though, so I'm

1087
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 1: the greatest game ever played. Underrated more than Tim Cupp.

1088
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 1: I like Tim Cupp, Tim Cup. I'm gonna get seen that.

1089
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen a tin cup? Your your your

1090
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 1: eyes may have to avert their some that could be

1091
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 1: that could be why could but it is good. I mean,

1092
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: and the winds of West Texas, you'll feel like they

1093
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: live at a Homo, Oklahoma or whatever. Yeah. Okay, so,

1094
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 1: uh here's what I want to ask, because I joked

1095
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 1: on the broadcast, by ten years say, playing church ball

1096
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: and no one wanted to guard. Ten years from now,

1097
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 1: Justin Bean will be where doing what tbd um. But

1098
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:04,399
Speaker 1: at this point I've always to me, it's I've never

1099
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: really had Like when I was growing up, it was

1100
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: never I'm gonna play college basketball or I'm gonna go

1101
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 1: to the NBA. It was it was always just I'm

1102
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: gonna get better today and then see what tomorrow brings.

1103
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: And I think in terms of basketball, in terms of life,

1104
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: I have a couple often I have a couple of

1105
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: things that I want to do and still figured it out.

1106
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: But I would like to play in the NBA. I

1107
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 1: think I've obviously still got some things to improve on, UM,

1108
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: but I'm really excited for um just this next offseason,

1109
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: UM just being able to just define different areas of

1110
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: my game. I want to become, you know, a better shooter.

1111
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: And that's that's probably the biggest thing I think for

1112
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: me right now. Um, and then everything else I think

1113
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: is will fall in place. But yeah, I would like

1114
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: to play professionally. NBA would be would be amazing. Um.

1115
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: I haven't thought about playing overseas. I just think with me,

1116
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 1: I think wanting to start a family, raise a family.

1117
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: I feel like for me personally, not speaking other language,

1118
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: that would be more difficult. Um. So I'd want to

1119
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 1: stay in the States. But if the m b A

1120
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: something happens that I want to be a podetrist because

1121
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 1: that's what my dad does. He's a foot ankle doctor.

1122
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: So I could take it. Here's a podiatrist. The doctor

1123
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: like surgeon. Okay, I'll say, you have surgery, so I'm

1124
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: not gonna argue with you on that. But I'm not

1125
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: arguing with you. I'm just it's open, you know, like

1126
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: a chiropractor. No you're not. You're just not your crackbacks. Okay,

1127
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. Yeah, you needed profession for sure,

1128
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,439
Speaker 1: and and you have foot problems. You know, you've got

1129
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: ne roma's, you get nerves and you get I mean,

1130
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: you're you're needed. But my whole thing is the one

1131
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 1: thing is like somebody's choking on the airplane, they say

1132
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: is their doctor here podiatrist doesn't how about but I

1133
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: got you right, But foot surgeon is a little different. Well,

1134
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. This is my honest Obviously everybody

1135
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: would tell you the shooting. But my brother has a

1136
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 1: saying says, make can make them pay to see what

1137
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: you don't do, right, Because what a pro does is

1138
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 1: a pro does what they do. It doesn't do what

1139
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 1: they can't do. And there you have two definable traits

1140
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: that other people don't have. One, you play hard every

1141
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: time you step on the court. And not everybody plays hard.

1142
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: That's just a fact. And two be tough and all

1143
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: of those guys that that make it. And I was

1144
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 1: doing this, I was having this conversation, who's that having

1145
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 1: this conversation with uh oh, it's have this conversation with

1146
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 1: West Miller's the UNC greens broke coach and he's got

1147
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: a kid, Isaac Miller, who's the star in that league,

1148
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: and he can't really shoot. And I said, you know,

1149
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,919
Speaker 1: if you look at the backup point guards. But I

1150
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: had this with Andrew Bogan on my on my pot right,

1151
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 1: Deli right, Deli slow, kind of Harry right great off

1152
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: the ball scream But what Deli is is he's tougher

1153
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 1: than a two dollar steak, right, And in order to

1154
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: make it, he year overseas whatever. You know, you've got

1155
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 1: to be able to live in a house or you

1156
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 1: got rats. You know, you gotta just gotta be tougher

1157
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: than other people. And lots of guys think they're tough,

1158
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: and they may be from tough backgrounds, but they don't

1159
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 1: play tough. And I'm telling you have two defineable traits

1160
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: that other people don't have, and you can't. You can't.

1161
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: And I coached little kids. You can make them tougher,

1162
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: but you can't make them tough. You know. Part of

1163
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 1: it is your little brother, but part of it is

1164
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: just something inherently in you. Right. And I don't know

1165
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: where you get that amount of energy from in terms

1166
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: of playing hard, but those two things they have value

1167
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: to people because look, dude, you're never gonna start You're

1168
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 1: probably never gonna start a game in the NBA. But

1169
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 1: on a Wednesday night in Minnesota when everybody else is like, no,

1170
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 1: let's just get through this thing, and they come down

1171
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 1: to the bench and they say, being you're in everybody,

1172
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 1: you know what you're gonna get, right, You got a

1173
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 1: hard play and dude that rebounds puts back and I've

1174
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like what you can bring to

1175
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 1: the table. It's it's a real, it's a it's a gift.

1176
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: So don't get caught, Like, do you want to work

1177
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 1: on the shooting, of course, because if you can just

1178
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: knock down open shots regularity, you don't make it. But

1179
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: even if you don't, like, don't get locked. Because I

1180
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 1: was the guy who couldn't shoot, right, I played off

1181
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: me I couldn't shoot, and we'd get into my have

1182
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 1: to shoot. I have to show him I could shoot.

1183
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, just go play. You play the

1184
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 1: jump shot for your whole college career, like and because

1185
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 1: you have those definable traits and you know who you are,

1186
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 1: because that's like the senior to basketball is the same

1187
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 1: secret of life. I know who you are and you

1188
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: know who you are, and so that's why you're going

1189
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: to be successful in life and basketball. Whatever. Hey man,

1190
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 1: I've taken up way too much of your time. We

1191
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: started the bus in the hotel room in Vegas. Uh

1192
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 1: obviously the high high end stuff. Thank you for your

1193
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 1: time and I wish you nothing but success this year

1194
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 1: and look forward talking to the offseason, appreciated that. It

1195
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: means a lot man, thanks for taking the time. See

1196
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 1: I told you love that and if you watch, you

1197
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 1: ta stay play. And I think right now when I

1198
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 1: looked at the bubble stuff with Duke out, obviously, uh,

1199
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 1: you truest it's gonna be in um boys, he lost,

1200
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 1: Um kids, you have didn't play and they lost in Nevada.

1201
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 1: That's the second time they lost the bad I was

1202
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 1: there the first time they lost in Bada. Nevada's got

1203
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 1: a couple of really good players. Desman Cambridge as a

1204
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 1: kid who's from Nashville, A lot of offers went to Brown,

1205
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 1: was all I believe, get a Brown and now he's

1206
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: in Nevada and then they have um uh, then they're

1207
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 1: just they're fun and Steve Alpers done a great job,

1208
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 1: great job in a short period of time. Look, Nevadas

1209
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 1: is a hard matchup for them because they're so different

1210
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 1: than how kind of Boise plays. Right, Boise plays occasionally

1211
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 1: with their big guy, but a lot of times they played,

1212
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:59,919
Speaker 1: you know, like like no big So I do get

1213
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 1: it why Boise lost. And I also think that that

1214
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 1: Boise is lost in Nevada only shows how good Utah

1215
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 1: State is because I did too straight Utah State Nevada

1216
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 1: games and um, what they did the Grand shotfield and

1217
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 1: Grand Shop had what twenties six and three and two? What? Then?

1218
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 1: What what Utah State did the Grand shirtfield with Marco

1219
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: Anthony who's a transfer from Virginia guarding him six ft four,

1220
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 1: he couldn't do anything with sure Field's really good kicks.

1221
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: Everybody's asking that leak except Utah State. So UM, I

1222
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 1: think State's real. I think they're really good. They didn't

1223
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 1: have Robley Wooster. It's a tough matchup. When they played

1224
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 1: up in Boise, they lost those games. I still think

1225
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 1: boys used an nca tournament team. But all these losses

1226
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 1: are adding up and they may end up getting left out.

1227
01:03:55,120 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 1: That does happen. But talent wise, coaching wise, they're right there,

1228
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 1: and it's like, who are we going to put it?

1229
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: We had to put these teams in, and I think

1230
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:08,959
Speaker 1: Syracuse are going to get in this year. I don't

1231
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 1: think they have especially impressive wins, and I don't like this. Well,

1232
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 1: they didn't lose by that much, so whatever, but I

1233
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 1: think Duke valuing out helps them. Um. I don't know

1234
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 1: what to make of Louisville. They're any good. I expected

1235
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 1: them to be better, obviously, Charlie Jones, let's sit right,

1236
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 1: here's legit. Well, you see Elasians to be playing their

1237
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 1: way out. They'll get in, but they kind of playing

1238
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 1: their way out. But here's kind of my one thought

1239
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 1: that I wanted to leave you with. I tweeted this

1240
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 1: and then I took it down because it happens with Twitter,

1241
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 1: you get like one or two people who lose their mind.

1242
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 1: I was watching Iowa State played and I've known Steve

1243
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 1: Problem a long time. He was actually my host when

1244
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 1: I visited the University of Alabama. It's true story, um,

1245
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 1: and I think you can actually download and listen to

1246
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 1: that podcast. But he's a really good dude. So Steve

1247
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 1: from did not forget how to coach. Right they went

1248
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 1: over the Big twelve. He didn't forget to have a coach.

1249
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 1: And when you look at his roster, you have several

1250
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 1: guys who are transfers who got their previous coach fired.

1251
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 1: And there's something to that. Now, look, I'm a transfer

1252
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 1: and in truth, and I told all of you this

1253
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 1: that my leading notre name because I got in trouble

1254
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 1: began John the ultimate Ultimately coach coach McLeod getting fired

1255
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 1: because I couldn't feel that he couldn't feel that that

1256
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 1: that scholarship. Jimmy Dillon took my scholarship after I left,

1257
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 1: and they were good. And I mean, this is obviously ego,

1258
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 1: not really in check. I do think that the pieces

1259
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Speaker 1: that we added, ultimately we would have gotten the ins tournament. Ultimately,

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Speaker 1: he would have kept his job. They also didn't let

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Speaker 1: him take transfers that hurt him. Then he gets fired

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Speaker 1: and they let Matt Doherty take a transfer, right, Humphrey

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Speaker 1: the first he's on the job. Right. So anyway, I'm

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Speaker 1: somebody who I've gotten a coach fired before you know,

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Speaker 1: it's a couple of years later. But I do believe

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Speaker 1: me get in trouble, got it fired. But when you

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Speaker 1: have a team full of dudes whose previous coaches all

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Speaker 1: got fired at some point, it's not the current coach now,

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Speaker 1: it is the current coach's fault for putting too many

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Speaker 1: of too many players that aren't winning players on your roster.

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Speaker 1: That's a that's a that is coaching, that is recruiting,

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Speaker 1: that is part of being a college coach. But I

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Speaker 1: think it's real and I think in this transfer culture,

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Speaker 1: you gotta be really careful who you take because coaches

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Speaker 1: so often bitch about the guys that got away. I

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Speaker 1: almost had him the running for him. You should have

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Speaker 1: got hit, You should have come here. When it's the

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Speaker 1: guy's on your roster, that's all that really matters, not

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Speaker 1: the guys that aren't. Makes sense, Okay, good uh my?

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Speaker 1: Thanks to Utah State again for let me get justin beingbro.

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