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Speaker 1: or what happened during COVID or the loss of liberty.

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Speaker 2: Or maybe it already is.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna have.

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Speaker 1: Daniel Horowitz on this episode. He's a senior editor at

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Speaker 1: The Blaze. He also is a host of the cr

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Speaker 1: podcast as well. He co authored a book called The

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Speaker 1: Rise of the Fourth Right, talking about fascism from COVID,

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Speaker 1: the loss of liberty, the destruction that happened to this country.

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Speaker 1: So I want to have that conversation with him, because

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Speaker 1: you know, we see them trying to resuscitate COVID in

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Speaker 1: the country, and so where is this going? Why have

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Speaker 1: we not learned? But the conversation is going to be

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Speaker 1: bigger than that. We're going to talk about twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about Joe Biden. Is either one

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Speaker 1: pulling the strings or is someone else where? Is this

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Speaker 1: all going as a country, So stay tuned. I think

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Speaker 1: you're really going to enjoy this conversation with a fascinatingone

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Speaker 1: with Daniel Horwitz. Daniel, it's great to have you on

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Speaker 1: this show. I'm interested in just getting your perspective on

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Speaker 1: this crazy world that we're living in. So appreciate you

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Speaker 3: Sure and it's great to be with you, Lisa.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the last time we spoke was probably when

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Speaker 4: have a conservative industry. Let's face it, Lisa, it's bigger

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Speaker 1: I also just wonder though, if, like our a culture

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Speaker 1: Daniel Horwitz on the other side, and that's you know

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Speaker 1: what worries me the most about this upcoming election, because

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Speaker 1: We might just throw it away and then there really

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Speaker 3: That's the issue. I'm not seeing an exit strategy.

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Speaker 4: And what bothers me about this is you listen to

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Speaker 4: But the difference is I actually believe my own talking points.

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Speaker 4: telling us what they want to do. And look, Lisa,

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Speaker 4: I will say, beyond the control, there is this population reduction.

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Speaker 3: They say it.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you saw Kamala Harris said it

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Speaker 4: Green Editor, we get enough people on green energy, clean

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Speaker 4: and efficient, we will reduce the population and will have

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Speaker 4: fewer people and will be able to live with you know,

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Speaker 4: more resources. I'm paraphrasing there, but she said reduce the population.

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Speaker 4: And at some point you have to take yes for

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Speaker 4: an answer and listen to what they're saying, because you

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Speaker 4: cannot escape that conclusion from the amount of information we

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Speaker 4: have on the carnage that the spike protein, among other

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Speaker 4: elements of this vaccine causes. You know, you could say

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Speaker 4: the first few months you're in a rush, maybe you know,

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Speaker 4: you think we need something, so you cut corners on safety.

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Speaker 4: But we are two and a half years into in

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Speaker 4: controvertible evidence of this thing affecting every organ system and

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Speaker 4: this thing being negatively effective on COVID and other respiraory viruses.

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Speaker 4: Right because moderna adviser's own clinical trials for children showed

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Speaker 4: a greater increase for RSV, and not surprisingly that now

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Speaker 4: they have RSV shots, they get to say, Hey, there's

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Speaker 4: all this RSV going around, guess what you need more vaccines.

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Speaker 4: That is the single greatest way you can control a

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Speaker 4: human being. That I could inject your body, I could

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Speaker 4: cover your mouth and your nose, and I mean, look, Lisa,

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Speaker 4: you know this. Our movement was muted like hell in

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty. They talked about my liberty, their whole lives,

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Speaker 4: their whole careers, and we came to the super Bowl

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Speaker 4: of liberty. It was awfully muted from most of these

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Speaker 4: talk show hosts, awfully muted. And I think some of

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Speaker 4: that had to do with well, let me just say,

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Speaker 4: had Hillary been in the White House, I think there

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Speaker 4: would have been a much more robust conservative influencer and

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Speaker 4: red state pushback against that.

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Speaker 3: But there wasn't.

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Speaker 4: And I said at the time, I said, look, if

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Speaker 4: they could say that we could place a mandate. You

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Speaker 4: know a lot of people compared it to wearing a

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Speaker 4: yellow star. But a yellow star is an inanimate thing

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Speaker 4: put on your lapel. As repulsive as it is, this

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Speaker 4: is put on your breathing holes in some cases for

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Speaker 4: eight hours a day to go to school to work.

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Speaker 4: I said, namely, one thing they can't do to you.

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Speaker 4: If they could do that, what can't they do to you?

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Speaker 4: Anything else you come up with, I'll tell you it

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Speaker 4: doesn't rise to the level of tyranny of a mass mandate.

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Speaker 1: Quick break, stay with us. You know how I view

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Speaker 1: the transgender stuff too. If they can get us to

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Speaker 1: go along with something that is just so laughable and

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Speaker 1: so ridiculous, they own us, you know, like you're just

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Speaker 1: an owned person at that point. If you go along

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Speaker 1: with something that's just not you know, it's almost like

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Speaker 1: a troll, like they're trolling us, you know. But it's important,

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Speaker 1: right because you need to say no to these lies

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Speaker 1: and not submit. But I wanted to ask you. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's sort of like this, you know, I hear all

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Speaker 1: these different things about you know, Joe Biden. Oh, you know,

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Speaker 1: he's just old. He's a puppet for other people. He's

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Speaker 1: not really the one pulling strings. I actually think that

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Speaker 1: he's evil. And you know, if you look throughout the

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Speaker 1: history of his career, you know whether it's leading some

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Speaker 1: of the nastiest confirmation hearings in American history with Robert

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Speaker 1: Borrick or Clarence Thomas. Just the amount of lies that

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Speaker 1: he's told and the disgusting lies that he's told, cashing

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Speaker 1: in with his son, Like, I actually think he's an evil,

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Speaker 1: bad human being, and maybe even worse than Obama. Not

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Speaker 1: a smart but I think he's a bad person. Is

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Speaker 1: he the one pulling the strings? I mean, what do

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Speaker 1: you think about all that?

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Speaker 4: No, I don't, and I don't think that's the case

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Speaker 4: with a lot of presidencies. Soo many people get focused

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Speaker 4: too much on one thing. They're obsessively against Biden or

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Speaker 4: obsessively pro Trumper against Trump. And the thing is, what

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Speaker 4: I admire about the Left is they have the most

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Speaker 4: successful implementation of their ideas under the most weak, flasted,

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Speaker 4: almost almost a dead carcass like Biden. Because they don't

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Speaker 4: need a charismatic leader. They have a movement that's something

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Speaker 4: we do not have. I admire the Left. You could

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Speaker 4: say you want about Biden and can't put a sentence together,

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Speaker 4: can't walk straight. But you know what, whatever it is,

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Speaker 4: they're being successful in their implementation whatever it is. He

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Speaker 4: owned Kevin McCarthy in that debt ceiling deal, and they've

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Speaker 4: now issued more debt since then than in all of

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Speaker 4: American history, and that is funding all of their priorities

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Speaker 4: and obviously creating inflation. The thing is, like I said,

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Speaker 4: they have serious people who believe their talking points. So

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Speaker 4: when you hear Rachel Maddau or whatever type of talkers

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Speaker 4: they have on MSNBC and their reporters on CNN, they

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Speaker 4: have serious dudes on the ground, a serious movement, whether

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Speaker 4: it's policy, legal, all fifty states, federal, every subcommittee of

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Speaker 4: every committee, every sub issue of every issue, they never

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Speaker 4: miss a play down the field, an opportunity to vance

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Speaker 4: and implement their agenda. Okay, you're never gonna have a

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Speaker 4: Democrat governor that mistakenly promotes traditional marriage one day or

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Speaker 4: mistakenly kicks illegal aliens out of this state. Right, you

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Speaker 4: don't have them subvert their own beliefs, so you don't

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Speaker 4: need one big leader. It's kind of like when you

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Speaker 4: start a camp fire. You know, my kids, when I

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Speaker 4: was teaching them how to do it, they would just

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Speaker 4: want to dump light or fluid on and I would

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Speaker 4: show them that doesn't work. You have to painstakingly create

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Speaker 4: the tinder and the dry wood and the shavings, and

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Speaker 4: you build up to it. And that's how you build

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Speaker 4: a durable fire. That's what the left hass a movement.

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Speaker 4: It's not any one piece of wood or any one person.

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Speaker 4: They don't have a trump, so to speak, where everyone

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Speaker 4: that just will follow the guy to the gates of hell,

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Speaker 4: no matter what he says or does, or even if

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Speaker 4: he subverts your own stated goals, like all the shows

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Speaker 4: I've been on the last two years, like the vaccine

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Speaker 4: is genocide, and then he gets up there and says,

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Speaker 4: my vaccine saved a million people, and not a single

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Speaker 4: person will even attempt to mildly rebuke him and move

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Speaker 4: him back to the right. On that the left doesn't have. That,

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Speaker 4: they don't tolerate that they have a movement. They believe

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Speaker 4: they're talking points and they implement it. Lisa, we are

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Speaker 4: lacking that movement. We have an industry. We don't have

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Speaker 4: a movement. We have an industry, and that's the asymmetry.

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Speaker 4: So we're always looking for this one guy. You know,

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Speaker 4: I support DeSantis over Trump, but in a very different way,

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Speaker 4: not in the same way they do. I don't think, oh,

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Speaker 4: you just get him in there, Oh my gosh, it's down.

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Speaker 3: To the promised Land.

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Speaker 4: What I support is I want that to be the

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Speaker 4: paradigm that every governor of a red state is a

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Speaker 4: minimum Ron DeSantis, every state legislative leader in a red state,

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Speaker 4: majority leader and speaker is at a minimum like that.

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Speaker 4: Every county councilman and school board member in a red

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Speaker 4: district is like that, focused on implementation, believes in our views,

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Speaker 4: and heck takes it to the next level. Does it

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Speaker 4: even better that he's done. That's mainly what I want,

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Speaker 4: because that's the movement we're lacking and the paradigm we're lacking.

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Speaker 4: But we're always looking for this one issue or one

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Speaker 4: guy or one thing to come along or one election.

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Speaker 3: There's no shortcut. You're not going to meme.

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Speaker 4: Your way or mugshot your way into anything. The left

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Speaker 4: is not into that. You know a lot of people

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Speaker 4: are like, I don't see anyone excited about Joe Biden.

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Speaker 4: Of course you don't. No one's excited about him, but

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Speaker 4: they get the job done. They have a movement, and

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Speaker 4: we need to start thinking of how we do that.

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Speaker 1: But then, you know, the people who are actively supporting

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Speaker 1: Trump right now for twenty twenty four will say, well,

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Speaker 1: he's the only guy who's been able to build a

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Speaker 1: movement on the right, and everyone needs to align behind him.

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Speaker 4: Movement around what well, I mean, you know, on implementation,

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Speaker 4: I'm just going to tell you the Red States are

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Speaker 4: worse than they've ever been. The only governor that actually

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Speaker 4: does something of worthy, they're trash. Now, I mean, you

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Speaker 4: know this is my bread and butter, because you remember

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Speaker 4: my primary work. I've been doing this long before Trump.

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Speaker 4: I recruited against McConnell in twenty fourteen, before it was cool.

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Speaker 4: Now everyone's like, oh it is terrible. Yeah, well, no

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Speaker 4: one joined when it mattered. But here's the deal. I mean,

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Speaker 4: you you remember me back in the day. I will

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Speaker 4: tell you we have actually gone backwards on Senate and

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Speaker 4: gubernatorial and congressional primaries. We are not and I'm not

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Speaker 4: even saying Trump versus DeSantis like a DeSantis paradigm, even

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Speaker 4: a Trump paradigm. Most of these guys are not even

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Speaker 4: like Trump they're the same chamber crats. They're the same people.

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Speaker 4: But what the Trump movement has given them is a

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Speaker 4: panic button. If you notice, all they do is they'll

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Speaker 4: just ingratiate themselves to Trump as a person. So that

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Speaker 4: diffuses any ability to get them out. But they're on policy.

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Speaker 4: They're the same people, and they learn that, and I

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Speaker 4: don't blame them. It's a very easy way out. So

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Speaker 4: they're the same chamber crats that give him to the

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Speaker 4: same corporate interests. But they'll just say something nice about.

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Speaker 3: Trump and done.

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Speaker 4: They get his endorsement and you're done. Ironically, the only

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Speaker 4: great endorsement that it was ever impactful, Trump now regrets.

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Speaker 4: You know, that's a big problem. And this is my

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Speaker 4: criticism of them. I don't care. Vote for Trump, vote

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Speaker 4: for him early, vote firm often.

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Speaker 3: I don't care.

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Speaker 4: But we need to work on getting him to endorse

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Speaker 4: better people. We need to get him on message on

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Speaker 4: our issues. We need to get him to stop with

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Speaker 4: this Laura Lumer crap and the Roger Stone stuff and

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Speaker 4: the Bruce Jenner stuff and the Don Junior you know,

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Speaker 4: don't be mean to Bud Light stuff and attacking from

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Speaker 4: the left on Disney and all this crap that we

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Speaker 4: wouldn't tolerate with anyone else. We need to get off

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Speaker 4: of that and not allow any person to stantis Trump

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Speaker 4: or anyone derail us from our stated objectives. Stop promoting

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Speaker 4: Kevin McCarthy and Rona McDaniel just because a Trump endorses that.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I could go on and on the policy

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Speaker 4: and personnel problems with him. We are not better off.

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Speaker 4: We do not have a stronger Republican party. It has

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Speaker 4: not changed. They have just fused with him. They indulge

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Speaker 4: his rhetoric, and they do the same things because they

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Speaker 4: recognize that the base and this movement you talk about

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Speaker 4: is not serious about their own stated objectives. How do

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Speaker 4: you have all these people that would say the same

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Speaker 4: thing I did about the vaccines and they're not bothered

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Speaker 4: one inkling that if you believe the biomedical security state

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Speaker 4: is the biggest threat, Trump believes that warp speed, which

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Speaker 4: is being followed up upon every day, is the greatest

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Speaker 4: thing ever. I mean, but then again, Lisa, there's nothing

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Speaker 4: new about Trump. I marvel at a lot of our

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Speaker 4: colleagues that came to age under Trump, so they have

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Speaker 4: no kind of political perspective or worldview beyond him. They

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Speaker 4: think that it's just you know, there was an establishment

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Speaker 4: and he came in and some of us were fighting

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Speaker 4: that long before. And ironically, I'll tell you I did

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Speaker 4: not vote for Mitt Romney in the general election in

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Speaker 4: twenty twelve. Now I'm from Maryland, so it wasn't such

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Speaker 4: an impactful state. Maybe if I would have been in

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Speaker 4: a swing state, maybe I would have. We had an

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Speaker 4: election over Obamacare and we nominate the freaking guy that

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Speaker 4: was the grandfather of it.

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Speaker 1: So it's a similar thing here, although in fairness, I

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Speaker 1: do think, I mean, Trump was able to get some

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Speaker 1: working class voters over voting for him.

646
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 2: That, like admit Romney.

647
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:50,959
Speaker 4: Electoral politics about policy. I'm talking about policy, ultimate outcomes.

648
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 3: Where we are where we landed.

649
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 4: Look at the personnel, the Gary Cones and the Stephen

650
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 4: Minuchin's and the Tiller sins and Kelly's and the and

651
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 4: and the madness is all these people and Kushner and

652
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 4: I mean and look at the time, we tried as

653
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 4: hard as we could. I had friends in the admin,

654
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 4: but they were never at the top. And we tried,

655
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 4: we tried, we tried, we tried. We were always playing.

656
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 3: In a way game.

657
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 4: We were never able to make the case from the right.

658
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 4: It was always a but the rhinos, but the Okay,

659
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 4: I get that, but there are some serious issues. See incontrovertibly.

660
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 4: Trump has done some good things we wanted, and he's

661
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 4: done some things we didn't want, and you could weigh

662
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 4: that in your mind, but incontrovertibly even I mean, and

663
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 4: you know who these people are, they know deep down

664
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 4: there are some serious policy, personnel problems, you know, character problems,

665
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 4: focused problems. Okay, there, there's there's some issues there. Done

666
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 4: some good things, but there's definitely issues there. There is

667
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 4: no attempt to vet that out. We are hundreds of

668
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 4: days away from a general election. I don't want to

669
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 4: hear this crap. But the Democrats, this is not about

670
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 4: the Democrat time. Okay, Wait, we have a lot a

671
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 4: lot of time to say. The primary is over and

672
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 4: there's nothing to see about DeSantis and I'm gonna make

673
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 4: sure to let him get away without ever debating Mono Almano.

674
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 4: That is a debate we should all want. These are

675
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 4: two people with the most significant records. They both have

676
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 4: significant records that inform on the issues and strategies of

677
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 4: our time, and we deserve a mono, a mount of debate.

678
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 4: If you're a Trump person, that would strengthen him or

679
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 4: it should you should want that if this is not

680
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 4: about the man but an objective, I view DeSantis as

681
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 4: a vehicle and one of many, because we really need

682
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 4: to focus on having these fifty to five Republican legislators

683
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 4: actually do something of value, which they're not. Like, why

684
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 4: are we talking about Florida all the time? We should

685
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 4: have twenty other states.

686
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: Although I do think Destanta's is though uniquely different than

687
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: most people, and this you know, I've interacted with him all,

688
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: I've gotten to know him. I mean, the guy is

689
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 1: actually brilliant. So I do think he's uniquely different in

690
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: the sense of he he just sees things clearly. He

691
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: knows how to be effective, he knows the way government works.

692
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: So I do think, you know, he is sort of

693
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Speaker 1: a different beast. Unfortunately, you know, he's not been able to.

694
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Speaker 4: Why aren't we grooming candidates to be more like I'm

695
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 4: just gonna tell you.

696
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think they're as smart as him to be.

697
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: I honestly like, he's like uniquely smart.

698
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 4: Well, the smart there is also committed to I mean,

699
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 4: there's a certain backbone because right now.

700
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Speaker 2: The backbone aspect is a huge part of it.

701
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 4: But you could be the biggest chamber crat around and

702
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 4: give in and turn your Red state into crap. But

703
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 4: as long as you kiss one man's rear end, your

704
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 4: your gold destantus is dirt. But these other governors are gold.

705
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 4: That is a problem, he forward, because what we really

706
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 4: need is pressure on these other governors. Why are you

707
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 4: doing like just today political ad an article very important?

708
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 4: What's one of the worst things that are threatening us?

709
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 4: Like I said, the second COVID, the Green New Deal. Okay,

710
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 4: that is existential to our way of life, our standard

711
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 4: of living, and we are able to block it without

712
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 4: repealing it, you know how, kind of like Medicaid expansion

713
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 4: if the Red States would refuse to take the money.

714
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 4: Because most people don't know this, but most of the

715
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 4: wind and solar grift is actually in Red States because

716
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 4: they have more land. And ironically, it takes a lot

717
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 4: of land mess because this is actually not very eco friendly.

718
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 4: It's a scan and most the Red States is where

719
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 4: most of the land is. They are gobbling that up

720
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Speaker 4: like anything. Actually, Biden mentioned this in a State of

721
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Speaker 4: the Union address and he wasn't wrong. You know, for

722
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Speaker 4: all of his incoherence, he was on fire with this.

723
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Speaker 4: He said, all right, guys, you know you all voted

724
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 4: again say it, But you have all these Republican governors

725
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 4: clamoring to come at the to to be seen with

726
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 4: me at these red ribbon ceremonies unveiling their new green projects.

727
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 4: That's fine, I'm president of all the people. Remember you

728
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 4: said that, and you know he's not wrong. They are

729
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 4: all groveling.

730
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Speaker 3: You know what.

731
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 4: Desantists turned down the money. So the first one is

732
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Speaker 4: that I'm not taking it. We're not doing that here

733
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 4: and there are. The thing about to Saint is, it's

734
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Speaker 4: not just that he did more conservative stuff than any

735
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 4: other governor. It's he has cured the kryptonite of what

736
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 4: has prevented red states from being read and what has

737
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 4: prevented conservatives from actually governing in the way we want now.

738
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Speaker 4: A lot of Republicans are frauds, but not all of

739
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 4: them are. Some of them get in genuinely believing in

740
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 4: what we believe in. But there are three impediments to

741
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 4: why why you don't see another to Santus. Number one

742
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 4: identity politics. Right, everything is you're a racist so they

743
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 4: won't touch anything like, for example, what other governor will

744
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 4: directly get, you know, say I'm not going to do

745
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 4: ap African American studies. I mean that's like an institution.

746
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 4: I mean usually they won't. They won't do policies that

747
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 4: could have a second or third order of magnitude consequence

748
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 4: accused of being you know, towards black people, a program

749
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 4: being cut off or whatever. He can ap African Americans.

750
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 4: Screw it, he has anti white stuff there crt. You

751
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 4: got to get rid of it. He doesn't care the

752
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 4: identity politics, just doesn't touch it. Second thing is corporate politics. Okay,

753
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 4: so for example, especially in small red states, you know,

754
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 4: the smaller red states, if anything, the corporations overpower their

755
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 4: politics even more than at a federal level. So the

756
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 4: biggest employers in a given state are usually what the

757
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 4: healthcare carte had. Hey, why was ASA Hutchinson horrible? In Arkansas?

758
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 4: Vetoing COVID legend, you know, freedom, medical freedom, legislators vetoing bills,

759
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 4: And in Castration it's he's bought out by Walmart, JB.

760
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 4: Hunt and Tyson's that's what controls the politics. So you

761
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 4: might have the people conservative, but that doesn't matter. You

762
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 4: go to the Dakotas and Christy Nome literally primaried friends

763
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:30,959
Speaker 4: of mine who had legislation trying to prevent companies from

764
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 4: issuing mandates, vaccine mandates. That's how strongly she felt about it.

765
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 4: She would not entertain any of that. As everyone remembers,

766
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 4: she vetoed. Even the weak sports bill, like the female

767
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 4: sports is the low hanging initiative in terms of combating

768
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 4: the training agenda. Is it that Christine? Yeah, isn't that

769
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 4: Christy Nome privately is a leftist and has a rainbow

770
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 4: flag in her house. No, But at the end of

771
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:02,240
Speaker 4: the day, Sandford Health and and they run the state.

772
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 4: It's the same reason why she refuses to to, you know,

773
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 4: follow the Freedom Caucus and call a special session to

774
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 4: deal with the green energy land grabs eminent domain issue. There,

775
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 4: it's all corporate politics. You look at this man and DeSantis,

776
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 4: he doesn't give a darn. He not only will do

777
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,439
Speaker 4: the right thing despite them, he'll then go after them,

778
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 4: the sugar lobby, Disney. He just doesn't care. The biggest

779
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:31,240
Speaker 4: employers in the state, and number three is federal funding.

780
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 4: I could tell you every Republican when we try to

781
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 4: get them to get off the to ban mass mandates

782
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 4: and hospitals.

783
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 3: They're like, we can't do it.

784
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 4: The CMS funding, the CMS funding in Florida, so they

785
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 4: refuse to implement it on the National Guard. Now, they

786
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 4: threatened they would cut off funding, but you know what

787
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 4: happened in the end, they never even did it. And

788
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 4: this is what he just did with the green energy.

789
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Speaker 3: I'm not taking it. I'm not taking the funding.

790
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 4: I want you guys to think of every the top

791
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 4: twenty issues your listeners care about, and if you want

792
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 4: to know why red states are not truly read on

793
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 4: those issues, it's one of those three or a combination identity,

794
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 4: corporate or federal funds. Okay, it's why illegal immigration. Okay,

795
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 4: let's face it, every Republicans are all the border is terrible.

796
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 4: But when it boils down to it, the governors of

797
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 4: Oklahoma and Idaho just tried to get driver's.

798
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 3: License to them.

799
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 4: Why to the ideologically support it? Probably not, but it's

800
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 4: all the egg interest, all the business interests in De

801
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 4: Santa's like, I don't care, this is the right thing

802
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 4: to do.

803
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 3: We're going to do it.

804
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 4: And ironically, I don't know if you saw this new

805
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 4: York Times article where this roofing company said we're going

806
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 4: to go to the Carolinas in Georgia, And I said,

807
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 4: wait a minute, that's kind of funny because on paper

808
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 4: they have a private use e verify to Actually most

809
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 4: othern states do seven others, but they know it's a joke,

810
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 4: it's not enforced. They know he will actually do it.

811
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Speaker 1: You got to win, though, before we go. Take us

812
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: through the primary. Take us through what you think is

813
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: gonna happen coming up here with the primary and then

814
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: the general election. You know, how do you see? I

815
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: love Govered Santus, Right, I moved to Florida for a reason.

816
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: I left New York City. Right, you gotta win the primary. Right,

817
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: You've got to win to do the things that you're

818
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: laying out. So what do you foresee happening over the

819
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: next few months with the primary and the general election.

820
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: Take us through your thought process and all of this.

821
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Speaker 4: You know, when it comes to primary obviously, just because

822
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 4: you what's right is not always popular, and what's popular

823
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 4: is not always right. I mean I've lost almost every

824
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 4: primary because I've gone after incumbents.

825
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 3: So then the big name GOP.

826
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Speaker 4: And there's nothing different here he is a de facto

827
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Speaker 4: an incumbent, and it is extremely hard to dislodge that

828
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 4: in the primary. It's the same reason why I failed

829
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 4: to get rid of Fed cochran and to get rid

830
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 4: of Mitch McConnell. We just in Mississippi tried to get

831
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 4: rid of the lieutenant governor who's a chamberkrat, but no

832
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 4: one focused on that or gave a darn. So he

833
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 4: won by seven points. And I mean this, this has

834
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 4: always happened, so it is not easy to be then surgeic.

835
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 4: But make no mistake, he is then surgeon. So I'm

836
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,879
Speaker 4: not saying being a prognosticator and saying it's the most

837
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 4: likely scenario. It doesn't take away the fact that it's

838
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 4: the right thing to do, both from a policy standpoint

839
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 4: of you know, a moral standpoint, principal standpoint, and from

840
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 4: a electoral standpoint, because of course the left's going to

841
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 4: come after him. I mean, you're in Florida, the Miami

842
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 4: Tampa media crush him every day. But at least it's

843
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 4: going to be over you're kidnapping illegal aliens.

844
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Speaker 3: You know.

845
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Speaker 4: I too many trunk people think, well, the let's just

846
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 4: gonna be unfair and steal everything anyway. But at the

847
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 4: end of the day, you're trying to appeal to swing voters,

848
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,479
Speaker 4: and you know, no matter what you do, you could

849
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 4: have Moses come down with the tablets. Forty seven percent

850
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 4: are going to vote against you. They're going to vote

851
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 4: for the Democrat. But in those margins is where it matters,

852
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 4: you know, whether you just turn people off with stupidity

853
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 4: where you're actually you're focused on selflessness, and that's the

854
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 4: image he gives off. So I am very much, very

855
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 4: bullish on his prospects in a general election that we

856
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 4: could actually get our foot in the door to have

857
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 4: a conversation about the spending causing the inflation in our

858
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Speaker 4: way of life and then taking away all the vital

859
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 4: products and services we want, and the biomedical fascism and

860
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 4: freedom and the border and all this stuff. Now, as

861
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 4: far as the primary, look, if this were a national primary,

862
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 4: if this were a national primary, he just sends this

863
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 4: would have no chance. And that's pretty clear. At the

864
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 4: end of the day, it's a stagger a primary. And

865
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 4: in Iowa you have even an NBC reporter said, on

866
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 4: the ground, it is a very different circumstance. You're starting

867
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 4: to see a little bit of a reverse shift in momentum.

868
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 4: He's got a win Iowa. You know, is he favored

869
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 4: at this moment to win Iowa. No, but it's actually

870
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 4: pretty close from most people will tell you because most

871
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 4: pollsters just keep in mind they don't have access to

872
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 4: the caucus data who turned out in the caucus.

873
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 2: I think he can win Iowa, but then you've got

874
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 2: to win.

875
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 3: Okay, so wins, but you've.

876
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 1: Got to go out, but you can't do the Ted cruise.

877
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: Now he wins Iowa, and you know, you've got to

878
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: win New Hampshire, South Carolina or you can't just be Iowa.

879
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:22,439
Speaker 3: A couple things.

880
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 4: First of all, South Carolina, if you look at the polling,

881
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 4: it's tracking right around Iowa. The governor has his military background,

882
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 4: and Trump's Trump's ceiling. Here's what's important. Trump's ceiling is

883
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 4: lower in the first three major states than nationally. That

884
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,720
Speaker 4: is a fact that no one disagrees with. It's surprise.

885
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 4: I thought South Carolina would be very strong.

886
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 3: It's not.

887
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 4: He's Trump is very strong into Vada, but that's less important.

888
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 4: So that he's the most favored to win in South

889
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 4: Carolina's the same story. What happened with Ted is there's

890
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 4: two differences that happen with Ted that presumably don't apply here.

891
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 4: Number one is that you had the Ben Carson thing.

892
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 4: If you remember, he had no momentum because they all

893
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 4: said he stole the thing, whether it was fair or not,

894
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 4: by Steve King coming out and saying that that Ben

895
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 4: Carson was dropping out, and Cruse got crushed, I mean,

896
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 4: and then he apologized. He got crushed. I mean, his

897
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 4: Iowa win was worthless, whether it was fair or not.

898
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 4: That's what happened. Also, I don't know if you remember

899
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 4: your current employer, you know put out this meme Bronze

900
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 4: was the new goal. If you remember, if you came

901
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 4: from Mars, you would have thought Marco Rubio won the primary,

902
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 4: so they really promoted him. Presumably you're not going to

903
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 4: have that, so you know, that was an anomaly. Otherwise,

904
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 4: Cruz was able to compete even one states thereafter, but

905
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 4: that crushed him. Number two is Trump has gone from

906
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 4: New Hampshire being his strongest state to his weakest state.

907
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 4: So again and this is just you know, this is

908
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 4: just horse race. I'm not going on what I want

909
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 4: to happen. But Trump was inherently very strong in the

910
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 4: Northeast before he became president and people soured on him.

911
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 4: This was very true in the primary even in general.

912
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 4: If you remember, he over performed in New York, Connecticut,

913
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:30,720
Speaker 4: Rhode Island. He didn't win those states, but he overperformed.

914
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:35,280
Speaker 4: So in New Hampshire he was always very, very strong,

915
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 4: and it was always a tough lift, even without the

916
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 4: Carson thing for Iowa to necessarily carry crews in New Hampshire.

917
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 4: Now it's flipped. New Hampshire is the most college educated state,

918
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 4: so he's become very weak with that.

919
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 3: Now. De Saint Is is weak in New Hampshire, but

920
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 3: so is Trump.

921
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 4: Trump has the highest anti Trump vote against him in

922
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 4: New Hampshire of any state may except for Utah, but

923
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 4: certainly in the early state, more so than even Iowa.

924
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 4: In other words, Iowa Cruise DeSantis has a pretty big path.

925
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 4: But Trump is still well liked. Trump is outside of

926
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 4: the thirty percent. He has a very low ceiling.

927
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 3: He is not liked. Now.

928
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 4: The problem is it's too muddled now with all these

929
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 4: other candidates, and you have some of the kind of

930
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 4: Christa Nunu type of moderates that are splitting among a

931
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 4: lot of people, but crew we're distant is to win.

932
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 2: There'll probably be some clearing of the field before Actually

933
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 2: I'm saying, yeah, yeah, he.

934
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 3: Could still lose.

935
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: Even before Iowa, you'll you'll probably have somebody you know

936
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: what I mean, like not everyone's getting problem.

937
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 4: We're disanti is to win Iowa. There is a very

938
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 4: strong case to be made that that momentum will coalesce

939
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 4: the conservatives that are upset, you know, from the right

940
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 4: for our reasons, and the moderates that are upset for

941
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 4: reasons that you and I maybe would just agree with,

942
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 4: and then there is no I mean, and look, I

943
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 4: will be the first to tell you again this is

944
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 4: horse race. I don't like Chris Nunu. He's exactly the

945
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 4: sort of governor I'm talking about. I don't like him,

946
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 4: but he hates Trump for his own reasons. If DeSantis

947
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 4: wins Iowa, he will absolutely endorse And you already see

948
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 4: that this week, the stuff he said about the debate,

949
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 4: you did not have someone of that stature endorsing Cruise,

950
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 4: and in fact, you know, Trump got all the endorsements.

951
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 4: And then you have South Carolina, where again DeSantis has

952
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 4: his military background. Trump is pulling more around thirty eight

953
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 4: forty than fifty five sixty, like he is in Kentucky

954
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 4: and Louisiana and these kind of these other southern states.

955
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 4: So that is the path. I mean, he wins that

956
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,720
Speaker 4: it's game over now, he'll hang on for dear life.

957
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 4: But then a lot of our colleagues, who, lets face it,

958
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 4: they follow the poll. Okay, I mean I had, but again,

959
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 4: there's nothing new about this. I'll never forget. One of

960
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 4: the only races I ever won was Dave Bratt when

961
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 4: he defeated Eric Cantor and nobody would have supported him.

962
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 4: And the day after everyone's like, oh, this is awesome,

963
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 4: and I'm not gonna mention names. But people that would

964
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 4: be the prototypical types to dump on an effort beforehand,

965
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 4: they're like, oh, you know, my dad would like to

966
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,720
Speaker 4: be his chief of staff. Here, Daniel, here's his resume,

967
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 4: could give it to Bratt, and people go with winners.

968
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 4: I mean, that's what I can't stand about it. You

969
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 4: and I both know if the polls change, conservative media,

970
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 4: a good portion of them will change, So I think

971
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 4: that would happen. Now, Look, DeSantis has to step up

972
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 4: his game. At the end of the day. You have

973
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 4: the voters we have and there are culturated to the

974
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 4: clown show that we have, and it's not good enough

975
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 4: just to deeply understand his record and what that portends

976
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 4: for what he would do as present. He needs to

977
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 4: grab the voters by the shirt collar and scream it

978
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 4: into their veins. He needs to up his rhetoric. He

979
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 4: needs to get more aggressive, be that lightning rod against

980
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 4: the left.

981
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 3: You know.

982
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 4: Naturally, he's more into doing than talking. You see it

983
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 4: with the hurricane. He gains he gains his inspiration from doing,

984
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 4: whereas Trump, you watch it. He's not into governing, but

985
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 4: he loves the rallies. He gets his energy. He's into campaigning.

986
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 4: He's very good at campaigning, although I don't see any

987
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 4: campaign events this time, which is a little bit bizarre,

988
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 4: but you know, that's where he's been good at. Desanti

989
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 4: is at the end of the day, like you're saying,

990
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 4: you know, we could say Trump's not gonna govern and

991
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 4: go He's gonna betray us. He might not win the

992
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 4: general election, and that's true, but it's the same thing

993
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 4: in reverse. DeSantis could have a great chance of winning

994
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 4: a general be a great president. But if you don't

995
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 4: win the primary, it's worthless. So he's got to step

996
00:55:56,280 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 4: outside his comfort zone up the ante, take more bold,

997
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 4: bold stances, even if he needs.

998
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 1: A fire under his ass, is what you know he

999
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: needs to Yeah, like he needs to act like he's losing,

1000
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 1: because he is. And so it's like, you don't really

1001
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 1: have anything to lose at this point, so you might

1002
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 1: as well just go balls to the wall and like

1003
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: really get after it, you know, and like and also like,

1004
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: I'm sorry you can't take on if you're trying to

1005
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 1: take on Trump.

1006
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 2: You got to take on Trump.

1007
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: You know, you can't be afraid to make your case

1008
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 1: and can't be afraid of alienating the Trump people because

1009
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: you have to convince them. And so like you gotta

1010
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 1: you know, you got to go after the king if

1011
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 1: you want to win, right, So you know, before last

1012
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 1: question before we go, is there any world where you

1013
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 1: think Trump can win in general election in twenty twenty four.

1014
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 4: I don't like this never and always thing, because you know,

1015
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 4: I think, of course there's a world he could win.

1016
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 4: But here's the important thing. I am much more confident

1017
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 4: about my policy views than I am at that horse race.

1018
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 4: So I had been wrong on horse race before and

1019
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 4: a lot of and frankly everyone is, but they don't

1020
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 4: admit it. The difference is I don't make the same

1021
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 4: mistake twice, so I bought into this whole. Oh yeah,

1022
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 4: you know the twenty twenty two polling, and we're gonna

1023
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 4: win all the black and Hispanic vote. The bottom line is,

1024
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 4: if you look at the polling on Indies, and you

1025
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 4: look at the polling in Arizona, Georgia, and Wisconsin and

1026
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 4: several similar states, there is this inveterate deadlocked electorate that

1027
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 4: was created in response to Trump in twenty eighteen fairly

1028
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 4: or on fairly, and it remained for three consecutive election cycles.

1029
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 4: Even with the worst inflation, worst melas Biden's negative approval,

1030
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 4: it is still there. Could the fourth time be a charm?

1031
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 4: It could be, But here's a thing to remember. The

1032
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 4: only path I see for Trump is and there is

1033
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 4: evidence of this that Biden has slipped even more, that

1034
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 4: for whatever reason, the things people didn't realize for the

1035
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 4: last four years finally got through their thick skulls. I

1036
00:57:58,120 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 4: know a lot of pollsters who have said this that

1037
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 4: the falling on stage really had an impact, so that

1038
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 4: people just see Biden as a dead vessel. But here's

1039
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 4: the deal. Unlike our side, which will commit suicide, the

1040
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 4: left won't and they never do. If they view ultimately

1041
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 4: that it's headed in that direction, they'll swap him out

1042
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 4: for a fresh face. And you know, I think they

1043
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 4: would pick more like a Gretchen whitmer who's you know,

1044
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 4: shockingly and appallingly won a landslide in Michigan because I think,

1045
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 4: you know, Gavin Newston in California is too much of

1046
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 4: a California is too much.

1047
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 3: Of a of a.

1048
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 4: Caricature and a punchline. I don't think they're that stupid.

1049
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 4: I mean, he might want the numb, but they would

1050
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 4: go with someone more like Gretchen Whitmerger who's just as

1051
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 4: radical but clearly has you know, pulled her weight in

1052
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 4: the Midwest. And that's that's very hard for someone like

1053
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 4: Trump to beat a fresh face when there's so much

1054
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 4: fatigue with him running for a third election already, and

1055
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 4: that would be true of really any candidate. There's always

1056
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 4: going to be fatigue in this era of mass media,

1057
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 4: and you know, he's a spent force. So I'm not

1058
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 4: gonna say it's never gonna happen. But then then there's

1059
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 4: the third thing is the primary, there's the general, but

1060
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 4: then there's what happens thereafter, and again not all as

1061
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 4: well from the right with that presidency, would I would

1062
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 4: put the dividing line more between domestic and foreign. I

1063
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 4: think his foreign policy was a lot better. But on

1064
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 4: domestic issues.

1065
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 1: I think he was good. He was really good on

1066
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: foreign policy. I feel like you got to give him that.

1067
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 1: He was really good on foreign policy. Gotta give him that.

1068
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 4: But again, I don't give a damn about foreign policy

1069
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 4: when our own government's a freaking fourth Reich. I mean,

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Speaker 4: it's the domestic that matters. And who is his Treasury

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Speaker 4: secretary going to be? Laura Lumer, Lindsey Graham? I mean,

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Speaker 4: I mean who around him shares our values and is

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Speaker 4: I mean the same personnel problem is there. I'm not

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Speaker 4: seeing him, you know, when he kisses up to Ronal

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Speaker 4: McDaniel and and and Kevin McCarthy, and he has all

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Speaker 4: these people around him that are either establishment grifters or

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Speaker 4: if you want to call them right, they're like people

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Speaker 4: that say Casey faked or cancer. I mean, I don't see,

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Speaker 4: I don't And when he won't swear off warp speed

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Speaker 4: you want to swear off the freaking ventilators and the lockdowns.

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Speaker 4: I don't see a change. I don't and I want

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Speaker 4: to remind people that you have to look at a

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Speaker 4: presidency in the future with a dynamic not a static

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Speaker 4: analysis meaning static. The way the world is today, we

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Speaker 4: could have never predicted COVID. I want to I want

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Speaker 4: to make this very clear to your listeners. I don't

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Speaker 4: care if it's Trump, if it's DeSantis, if it's Nicky Hayley,

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Speaker 4: if it's freaking Mitt Romney, who would become the Republican

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Speaker 4: nominee and win as president, as long as it's someone

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Speaker 4: who's not a Democrat. If there was a Publican in

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Speaker 4: the White House, they will up the ante of these

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Speaker 4: let's just say, transformational events in the world. We think

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Speaker 4: everything's governed by Oh, the House passes something that the

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Speaker 4: Senate does, and well they're not going to do that,

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Speaker 4: come on, and no Republicans yet. But if that's not

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Speaker 4: what governs our world. We are governed by cathartic events.

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Speaker 4: And many of them are induced the Ukraine stuff, the

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Speaker 4: COVID stuff, the George Floyd stuff, and it's in that

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Speaker 4: moment of panic and clamor who is the one man

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Speaker 4: who is able to see through that, because it will happen.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't matter what Republican is there. They will create

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Speaker 4: natural disasters that aren't so natural. They will do a

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Speaker 4: bunch of things. Remember it's not the Senate and the

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Speaker 4: governors and you know the even the Federal Reserve that

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Speaker 4: controls what goes on. COVID was concocted and they have

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Speaker 4: a lot more where that came from. And it's not

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Speaker 4: just viruses, and you have to look through who will

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Speaker 4: have the brains and the balls, but in a stable,

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Speaker 4: focused way to cut through that, maybe one other state

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Speaker 4: where we have a secretary of health like Joe Lattipoe,

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Speaker 4: or a secretary of education like many dias that will

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Speaker 4: fight for our views. I cannot find that there's very

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Speaker 4: few people that are competent and share our values. That's

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Speaker 4: what people need to look towards. This is taking politics

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Speaker 4: to the next level, beyond the mugshots and the talking points.

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Speaker 4: This is the debate we need. I don't care who

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Speaker 4: you support, but before it's too late, I want a

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Speaker 4: one on one debate. And if Trump comes out the

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Speaker 4: stronger for it, awesome, But that's the debate that our

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Speaker 4: colleagues are trying to avoid.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about winning in a way that actually transformed

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Speaker 1: the transforms the country for a or that's actually you know,

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Speaker 1: making change, that's actually making a difference. It's actually putting

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Speaker 1: this country on a trajectory where it's livapool again. You know, Daniel,

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Speaker 1: We're going to leave it there. I think brains and

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Speaker 1: Balls might be a good bumper sticker. I'm envisioning it now.

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Speaker 1: Brains and Balls. Very very interesting conversation.

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Speaker 2: Learned a lot from you. I appreciate you making the time.

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Speaker 1: Everyone go check out senior editor at The Blaze, host

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Speaker 1: of the cr podcast, co author of The Rise of

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Speaker 1: the Fourth Right, Daniel, thanks so much for coming on

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Speaker 1: the show.

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate you making the time.

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Speaker 3: Really had a lot of fun. Take care.

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Speaker 1: So with Daniel Horowitz, I appreciate him taking the time,

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Speaker 1: said to join the show and give this sort of

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Speaker 1: his perspective on, you know, all the stuff happening in

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Speaker 1: the world. I'm gonna thank you guys at home for

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Speaker 1: listening every Monday and Thursday, but you can listen throughout

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Speaker 1: the week. What do you think John Casso and my

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Speaker 1: producer for putting the show together until next time.