Speaker 1: We're heading back to rony Derinda fights old school with
Speaker 1: Sonya while the ladies lunch in the Bronx. Despite the
Speaker 1: tension between myself and Ramona. We all had to Vermont
Speaker 1: for a snowy weekend, but over dinner, Tinsley feels ganged
Speaker 1: up on when the group discusses her current life decisions
Speaker 1: My Body, My Choice.
Speaker 2: Chef.
Speaker 1: Television and podcast host Tyler Florence joins me to break
Speaker 1: down the episode. This is Real Housewives of New York
Speaker 1: Season nine, episode thirteen, a Bronx tale. Let's get into it.
Speaker 2: Good to see you. It's been a while.
Speaker 3: It's been a while. It's been a while. I don't
Speaker 3: even know if you remember where we met.
Speaker 2: Was it Sundance? Was it chef Dance?
Speaker 3: Chef Dance, That's exactly where you met. That's exactly where
Speaker 3: we met. It was and I don't remember what year
Speaker 3: it was. It must have been like two thousand and six,
Speaker 3: thousand and seven, something like that. We were the group
Speaker 3: they were hosting it before you hosted it.
Speaker 1: Oh that first year that I went, oh, yeah, okay, great.
Speaker 1: I remember I was a guest. I was like someone's
Speaker 1: plus one exactly. That's amazing. Did you kind of start that?
Speaker 1: Because that was an amazing you do.
Speaker 3: Well, I didn't start it starting. I hosted the second year.
Speaker 3: So rock CoA spirited rocko to spirit. I hosted it
Speaker 3: the first year and I hosted it the second year.
Speaker 1: Well that's telling because that was like my only goal
Speaker 1: in life then was to kind of just like be
Speaker 1: in like a you be in your world, be on
Speaker 1: TV as a chef, or like to be associated. I've
Speaker 1: always been fascinated by chefs since years ago. I used
Speaker 1: to produce events and we used to do like the
Speaker 1: Emmys or the Grammys, and we'd get to we had
Speaker 1: what hotel was it. There was like a Hilton or
Speaker 1: Sheridan in New York City and there were ten different
Speaker 1: rooms and then we had ten different chefs, and I
Speaker 1: used to love just getting to meet the chefs and
Speaker 1: do the menus.
Speaker 2: I was always enamored by it.
Speaker 3: Those events are fine, yeah, but.
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's really wow.
Speaker 1: So I was you are like a rock star, but
Speaker 1: always have been to me, And I know your friends
Speaker 1: with Amy who produces this show.
Speaker 2: So the Sugarman, Yeah, you call her the sugar Man.
Speaker 2: That's really funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what are you up to, like what's going
Speaker 1: on in life, Like what are your biggest.
Speaker 2: Projects right now?
Speaker 3: Kinds of great stuff. Well, first of all, thank you
Speaker 3: so much for having me on your podcast.
Speaker 2: Of course, thank you for having to be.
Speaker 3: Here with your audience. Because I'm not like a huge
Speaker 3: Real Housewives watcher. You know this, I've seen a couple episodes,
Speaker 3: so we'll kind of jump into episode thirteen, season nine, right,
Speaker 3: we'll kind of jump it out. Yeah, but what a
Speaker 3: phenomenon and what a ride you've been on with this
Speaker 3: whole thing.
Speaker 1: It was a crazy, crazy ride. Yeah, it's been well,
Speaker 1: like anything. I mean, look, you know, it's what you
Speaker 1: make of it. I mean, it's what you try to
Speaker 1: make chicken salad on chicken shit. It's chicken shit. It's
Speaker 1: me being a chef dance just wanting to be in
Speaker 1: your world and trying to figure out how to capitalize
Speaker 1: it and then make the money later. I mean, as
Speaker 1: a chef in the beginning, you probably made no money.
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's interesting that you just saw the
Speaker 3: value of being out there, and I think that's a
Speaker 3: really good life lesson for a lot of people like
Speaker 3: you can't necessarily think about the money as you need
Speaker 3: to think about your career and build it and know
Speaker 3: that if you're doing what you love and you're in
Speaker 3: the right place at the right time, money's going to follow.
Speaker 3: Money's going to show up one way or the other, right,
Speaker 3: especially because you just get a name for yourself and
Speaker 3: you become valuable and so with that comes paycheck. So
Speaker 3: I think that's really kind of interesting. You saw the
Speaker 3: value of that, and that's kind of the way. You know,
Speaker 3: food works in a way, specifically on the on the
Speaker 3: celebrity chef side of it. Right. So I'm a classically
Speaker 3: trained chef. I own restaurants in San Francisco. That's really
Speaker 3: my main driver. That's kind of what everything's all about.
Speaker 3: And restaurants are made. But the TV thing, this is
Speaker 3: my twenty seventh year on television with Food Network, which
Speaker 3: is my you know, pap of my life basically it is.
Speaker 1: But that's the frosting, Like the base is your restaurants,
Speaker 1: because if the food's not good at those base restaurants
Speaker 1: and if the business isn't running properly, and if you
Speaker 1: didn't have the foundation, there'd be no frosting. So I
Speaker 1: guess the restaurants has got to be delicious.
Speaker 3: It's not about the frosting. It's about the cake. The
Speaker 3: cake has to be like worth it, right, And so
Speaker 3: I think there's things you make money on, and there's
Speaker 3: things you make money with. Right. You make money on
Speaker 3: your reputation as a great chef, but you make money
Speaker 3: with the credibility of being a real legitimate chef and
Speaker 3: a real legitimate you know, restaurant tour the house chops, yes, yeah,
Speaker 3: So with.
Speaker 1: The foundation the structure of the cake. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: a great analogy because the base cake on its own
Speaker 1: can be fine and can be boring, but it has
Speaker 1: to have a good substance, good texture, good structure. And
Speaker 1: I feel the same way. And I think I come
Speaker 1: in contact with so many young people that are thinking
Speaker 1: about the money first, the lunch break, the hourly, the benefits,
Speaker 1: those things that are important to be value. But I
Speaker 1: just never thought of any of that in the beginning.
Speaker 1: I worked for free so many times. I've even for
Speaker 1: many people for free many times. I just always did
Speaker 1: things for free because I always thought the money would
Speaker 1: come to your point. And that's what all the very
Speaker 1: successful people that have come on my podcasts, like the
Speaker 1: Mark Cubans of Sheryl Samberg. The really successful people, they've
Speaker 1: all said they weren't really motivated by money. They're motivated
Speaker 1: by passion and drive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you have to be. And I think it's
Speaker 3: a really great life lesson for everybody out there, yeah,
Speaker 3: trying to figure out, like do you and I listen
Speaker 3: to I think everybody has probably done this a couple
Speaker 3: of times, taken like the quick short road somewhere in
Speaker 3: your career. You know, if there's no regrets, I wouldn't
Speaker 3: change five minutes of my life anywhere, because even I
Speaker 3: think some of the mistakes have been really good life lessons,
Speaker 3: very very valuable life lessons. But you often wonder, you know,
Speaker 3: what if I stuck around the other job a little
Speaker 3: bit longer? Right, what if I work for that chef
Speaker 3: or taken that opportunity or decided to not move here
Speaker 3: and not move there? Like, what would life have been
Speaker 3: like if I did dec to take that left turn?
Speaker 3: Who knows? Nobody knows, right, that's not the way of
Speaker 3: the story unfolded. But some of those situations are always
Speaker 3: kind of interesting to look at and go, Okay, you
Speaker 3: know it is is this? You know, could there have
Speaker 3: been a more interesting route in life if you decide
Speaker 3: to take a slightly different path with your opportunities as
Speaker 3: they started to come at you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think you end up. I think all
Speaker 1: roads lead to rome. I think you kind of go
Speaker 1: down different paths, but somehow there's certain things that you
Speaker 1: always get pulled.
Speaker 2: Back to the things you really love to do.
Speaker 1: Like there are many ways to get there, but you
Speaker 1: kind of find yourself there. I think like, whether it
Speaker 1: wasn't podcasting, would it be a speaking tour? Would that
Speaker 1: would those two things be so different? I don't think so.
Speaker 1: It'd be just conveying a message. But I was always
Speaker 1: going to be like messaging, It's just who I am.
Speaker 1: So I think that's interesting. You could have been like
Speaker 1: you could have been doing you know, the Veguus cooking
Speaker 1: tours on stage. It's different, but you would still be you.
Speaker 1: I think you maybe not be in TV.
Speaker 3: So anyway, yeah, well yeah, so television like landed in
Speaker 3: my life twenty seven years ago. It was nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 3: I had my first opportunity on Food Network and I
Speaker 3: was the executive chef in an Italian restaurant called Chibo
Speaker 3: in New York City on forty second and second, okay,
Speaker 3: and the restaurant just closed to you, by the way,
Speaker 3: I mean, it was just such a what it was
Speaker 3: open for twenty something years. It was crazy, and you know,
Speaker 3: young chef, and we were getting some notoriety. We never
Speaker 3: got reviewed in the Times when I was there, because
Speaker 3: I was there for about two and a half years,
Speaker 3: but we got reviewed by everybody else in New York
Speaker 3: City and got really really great reviews and stars and
Speaker 3: everything else. And then this woman named Lori Green, I'll
Speaker 3: never forget her name. She walked up to me and
Speaker 3: she was a producer with Food Network, and she handed
Speaker 3: me her card and said, that was a delicious meal.
Speaker 3: You know, like most chefs, at the end of service, right,
Speaker 3: you kind of take the dirty side of your chef's coat,
Speaker 3: flip it over to the clean side because they're double breasted, right,
Speaker 3: And you walk out with a pocket full of cards
Speaker 3: and you start networking and saying I to folks, right,
Speaker 3: And I said hi, and she said, that was really
Speaker 3: amazing dinner. Would you like to you know, I'm a
Speaker 3: producer of this new emerging food cable network called food Network,
Speaker 3: which oh wow, yeah, And in this weird way, like
Speaker 3: I kind of grew up in television. My mom was
Speaker 3: the business manager for the local NBC station in Greenville,
Speaker 3: South Carolina, where I grew up, and so she was
Speaker 3: a single mom. And then so on the weekend, specifically
Speaker 3: because she she didn't have childcare, she would take my
Speaker 3: older brother and I to the television station and we
Speaker 3: would just run around like wild raccoons. And then we
Speaker 3: would like literally go sit in the director's studio and
Speaker 3: watch him cut the news live. So when the director's
Speaker 3: going give me camera two, camera one, back to camera three,
Speaker 3: and reach one, and we're like, I watched the guy
Speaker 3: do that for years, right, And I thought that was
Speaker 3: kind of fun. The second I walked into the television
Speaker 3: station or television network with Food Network back in nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety six, I felt at home.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, wow, that's.
Speaker 3: Like I knew exactly what everybody does. I know all
Speaker 3: the positions in the room. I know what my camera was, right,
Speaker 3: I knew it.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. That's amazing. Find it you out, that's amazing.
Speaker 1: So I like, you don't really watch the Housewives either.
Speaker 1: I do for this show and I've been on it,
Speaker 1: but I used to not really watch even myself except
Speaker 1: for just to see if I was in trouble or not.
Speaker 1: So it's not like I'm I'm, I'm right exactly. So
Speaker 1: I'm I'm Obviously I'm not fluent in Housewives. I mean,
Speaker 1: I speak the language and I can completely get by,
Speaker 1: but I'm not like an expert on all the characters.
Speaker 2: Obviously, this show I am in, so I remember.
Speaker 1: But it's funny because when we just sat down right
Speaker 1: now and I watched this yesterday and I lived it,
Speaker 1: I was thinking, let me look at my notes.
Speaker 2: He's talking.
Speaker 1: Wait a second, what was this way Ramona where we're
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, I was in this one,
Speaker 1: So now I remember. So this is the Housewives, and
Speaker 1: this is like I think that this particular group for
Speaker 1: the most part, with maybe one or two exceptions, but
Speaker 1: this group is like the real group of like New
Speaker 1: York broads on the Housewives. So I'll remind you names,
Speaker 1: et cetera. But like I am a full broad raised
Speaker 1: at Aqueduct Racetrack and like at the craps tables at
Speaker 1: thirteen Derinda from the grew up and raised in the
Speaker 1: Berkshires is abroad and podcast Oh okay, great, so she
Speaker 1: was on your podcast and she loves to cook and
Speaker 1: she likes food and she appreciates and great. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: people who know food and no other people who are
Speaker 1: passionate about food doesn't mean they have to be quote
Speaker 1: unquote foodies. They like they give you the respect that
Speaker 1: you deserve. Like I can walk the walk and talk
Speaker 1: the talk. No one's ever gonna question me on whether
Speaker 1: I grew up around being obsessed with all aspects of food.
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean I'm going to be the best chefer cook.
Speaker 1: It just means like I know my food. So they
Speaker 1: always on this show would let me choose restaurants and order,
Speaker 1: which is a you know, it's a big honor, Like
Speaker 1: we sit down and this is a controlling group of women,
Speaker 1: and always you order, and I would feel like like
Speaker 1: I needed a crown, Like I was so excited. Yes
Speaker 1: because there's there. Yeah, because I want to hear what
Speaker 1: your key to good ordering is. But I suggest taking
Speaker 1: them to the Bronx because I've taken them before to
Speaker 1: Don Pep's in Ozone Park, and I've taken them to
Speaker 1: Parkside and Queens and so like, yes, so I know
Speaker 1: my place. Yes, So Nat Dominic's is a good one.
Speaker 1: So now we're here, and as you heard, many of
Speaker 1: them don't even know that the Bronx has Arthur Avenue,
Speaker 1: which is like a little Italy. But the reason they
Speaker 1: let me order is because a they're always going to
Speaker 1: like what I order. But some women there are very
Speaker 1: economical and don't like waste, even if we're not paying
Speaker 1: for it. They just don't like when someone just orders
Speaker 1: the left side of the menu because they can that's
Speaker 1: about money, and that means there's gonna be a lot waste.
Speaker 2: So there's a dance. You order the whole left side
Speaker 2: of the menu.
Speaker 3: I would, or the whole thing. Well, especially if it's
Speaker 3: a restaurant, I want to check out right because I
Speaker 3: want to walk ei of there and not miss anything.
Speaker 1: That's your job, though, I feel like that's that's fully
Speaker 1: It's a tax, right.
Speaker 2: Do you ever take food home? U?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Sometimes sure? I mean, like, god, where did we go?
Speaker 3: I mean recently, there's a restaurant just open up in
Speaker 3: Oakland and it was like a burger place and a
Speaker 3: friend of mine just opened it. I literally, I think
Speaker 3: there was like eleven or twelve things on the menu.
Speaker 3: I ordered the whole menu.
Speaker 1: You literally, But do you say to them just give
Speaker 1: me half of the portions because I.
Speaker 3: Know I want to see it. I want to take pictures,
Speaker 3: I want to taste it. I want to see what
Speaker 3: it's all about. Also was their first night of opening too,
Speaker 3: so I'm like, it's nice for a restaurant to get
Speaker 3: their reps in.
Speaker 1: Well for you, you're also going to put them on
Speaker 1: the map. I mean, so they want to give you
Speaker 1: everything that's not waste, that's advertising for them. But like
Speaker 1: so you'll say, can I take some of this home?
Speaker 3: Sometimes? Sure? Yeah, of course. I mean I do it
Speaker 3: at my own restaurant all the time. Like so, we
Speaker 3: have a steakhouse in San Francisco called Miller and Lux right,
Speaker 3: and and so like I tay, I definitely the big
Speaker 3: bone on the Tomahawk.
Speaker 2: I was thinking. I was literally just thinking a big bone.
Speaker 2: I was thinking a bone in.
Speaker 3: Dog that's right there behind my shoulder, bad badly Roy
Speaker 3: Brown bad a dog in the whole damn town loves
Speaker 3: it when Daddy comes home with a bone.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I am not ashamed to take food home.
Speaker 1: But anyway, this group liked when I ordered because of
Speaker 1: what I'll order and they don't have to think about
Speaker 1: it because we're in the action. And also because there's
Speaker 1: not a lot of waste, so I take them to
Speaker 1: this restaurant Auto Novae I think it's called Yeah, and
Speaker 1: what do you what do you think of these people?
Speaker 1: So now you have Carol comes in wearing a Safari outfit,
Speaker 1: which I thought was hilarious, Tinsley's wearing a ball gown,
Speaker 1: and then the broads and those are the two that
Speaker 1: are not broads. Everybody else, all the brods understood the assignment.
Speaker 1: So Duranda came hungover, yeah, like drink and bloody Mary's.
Speaker 1: And it's probably like eleven forty five because we didn't
Speaker 1: want the place.
Speaker 3: To be past with a little heat on or still
Speaker 3: from you fully marinated.
Speaker 1: If you just like liter if you put him match
Speaker 1: and you add another cocktail, she's going in flames.
Speaker 3: It's yeah.
Speaker 2: So she was a very good housewife.
Speaker 1: So what do you think about this dynamic she's calling sonya?
Speaker 2: I think an ass wipe?
Speaker 3: Yeah. And then there was like the clip clip clip,
Speaker 3: What the funk that means? Like, like, what does that mean?
Speaker 3: Shut up?
Speaker 2: Shut your mouth?
Speaker 3: I think shut your mouth, clip clip I've never heard that.
Speaker 3: Have you ever heard that before? Is that a face
Speaker 3: say that.
Speaker 1: Never since then, never in my life either. That's the
Speaker 1: first time I've ever heard. Now, yes, it's a meme
Speaker 1: because and Derinda will go below the belt, which is
Speaker 1: effectively what The Real Housewives is about. It's about signing
Speaker 1: up and you never know what you're gonna get in
Speaker 1: that box of chocolates. And so what's happening here is
Speaker 1: Sonya Basically there's a previous thing where she did what
Speaker 1: I call a cheater brand, and she she partnered with
Speaker 1: someone on a brand called Tipsy Girl and cocktails.
Speaker 2: So I created the whole Yeah.
Speaker 3: And this is the same time you're launching skinny Girl.
Speaker 1: No, skinny Girl has been a success, it's already launched.
Speaker 1: And I was the first one ever to do cocktails
Speaker 1: on this show, and even one of the first really
Speaker 1: public people.
Speaker 2: But now they're coming on.
Speaker 1: And I took the bait in another scene with Sonya,
Speaker 1: and I basically say to her, I want nothing to
Speaker 1: do with you because of the cheater brand and I
Speaker 1: don't like copycats, and I take the bait, which is
Speaker 1: a rookie move. I should have just been like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's adorable and not talked about it. It wouldn't have aired,
Speaker 1: but for some reason it really bothered me and I
Speaker 1: took the bait. So now Sonya's basically saying, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: Ramona thought about doing that deal, and so did Drinda,
Speaker 1: and that she has the receipts to prove it. So
Speaker 1: Sonya's living in the past and she always wants to
Speaker 1: dredge something up. It's going to get her in trouble.
Speaker 1: But Dirinda either doesn't want to get busted for having
Speaker 1: had that conversation or it didn't happen and just wants
Speaker 1: to tell Sonya to shut the fuck up. So that's
Speaker 1: why the minute you light during the up, she goes
Speaker 1: to a tent.
Speaker 3: I couldn't even follow the conversation, to be honest with you, right,
Speaker 3: So so back up a little bit, because I actually
Speaker 3: watch it with my wife. I'm like, God, translate this
Speaker 3: for me because I'm a dude. Okay, I don't understand.
Speaker 3: I don't love us standing the way women talk to
Speaker 3: each other like that sometimes like what are they saying?
Speaker 3: She goes, ooh, this is what you got to look
Speaker 3: out for, and ooh this is what so okay, so
Speaker 3: back up a little bit. Walk me through what a
Speaker 3: cheater brand is I don't know if I get that
Speaker 3: full concept. So somebody was knocking you off, right, is
Speaker 3: that what you say?
Speaker 1: Yeah, a cheeter brand is Snapple Smartphones, you know, like
Speaker 1: it's a cheater brand. So I had a brand called
Speaker 1: Skinny Girl, and then on my show, they're doing a
Speaker 1: show called Tipsy Girl. And when the producers see that
Speaker 1: fruit that's ripe, they want to bring it down. So
Speaker 1: I'll take the bait, which I did.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So Sony was on Worst Cooks in America too,
Speaker 3: by the way, right, So, and she was launching you know,
Speaker 3: she seems like very like publicity oriented, right, I mean,
Speaker 3: and she just wants to take everything U say as
Speaker 3: in commercial. Yes. So she was on Worst Cooks in
Speaker 3: America and I have got this like thing pull up
Speaker 3: on my screen. I remember what season it was. Right,
Speaker 3: as a matter of fact, well's Adams, who's my co
Speaker 3: host on Two Dudes in a Kitchen. By the way,
Speaker 3: everybody checked that podcast out. But she she was launching
Speaker 3: a line of toaster ovens. Yes, right, So she was
Speaker 3: on Worst Cooks in America and she wanted She spoke
Speaker 3: to the producers on the show and she's like, on
Speaker 3: my station, I only want to cook with toast robins.
Speaker 3: What are you making a toast robit?
Speaker 2: Oh you're asking me? Well, so first of all, she no,
Speaker 2: you can. I think you can make a lot.
Speaker 1: Well, now they have like now Breville has like major ones,
Speaker 1: and then now they have air fryer and toaster oven.
Speaker 1: So I'm actually curious. So I feel like, let's go
Speaker 1: through it. If you had like oysters that you wanted
Speaker 1: to like broil with some cream, spinach over and some
Speaker 1: bread crumbs, you could do that in a toaster oven.
Speaker 3: You think that sounds kind of nice. Brebel makes really
Speaker 3: nice ones.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Like you're not roasting a whole chicken in
Speaker 1: the toaster oven. But you can make flat bread, you
Speaker 1: could make you can make couldn't you make a lot
Speaker 1: of things? Like what could you not make in a
Speaker 1: toast drive?
Speaker 3: And you could how about twenty pounds of lamb chops? Right?
Speaker 1: But she's only she's saying she's the single woman who
Speaker 1: lives in her townhouse and that you don't need I'm
Speaker 1: trying to think of all the things that I could
Speaker 1: make in my toastrove, and I'm thinking about like, uh,
Speaker 1: you can make chicken tenders and tots and I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about crab cakes you could broil in there.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like, do you use an air fryer.
Speaker 3: I think the technology has really come a long way
Speaker 3: as inter affected. This company reached out to me on
Speaker 3: Instagram direct message the other day and I did some
Speaker 3: research on their product, and I'm like, Okay, that's kind
Speaker 3: of hot, you know, especially like in a restaurant situation
Speaker 3: when you just need a little heat and a little
Speaker 3: crisp and a little cheese melt right that a full
Speaker 3: oven is just sort of like a little too bulky
Speaker 3: and a little too overkill.
Speaker 1: Like a salamander's like to like it's on, it's on flames,
Speaker 1: it's too much.
Speaker 3: Well, it's just it's like it's too big of a
Speaker 3: piece of equipment. You can't move it right. And so
Speaker 3: once those things get installed and gas lines get right, yeah,
Speaker 3: get laid in, you can't really move that. That's like
Speaker 3: permanent decision that you with a restaurant. As you change
Speaker 3: the menu, it may not stick around. So I think
Speaker 3: sometimes having this equipment that does one good specific job
Speaker 3: in air fires, I think they make things brown and
Speaker 3: melt cheese really really well.
Speaker 1: Hold on, I'm going to give you homework for the
Speaker 1: first time. I think anyone's probably giving you homework in
Speaker 1: like forty years. That people really believe and I've done it,
Speaker 1: that you're taking like a bagel once it's out of
Speaker 1: the freezer and you can defrost a little, and that
Speaker 1: you airfry a bagel, because think about it, you get
Speaker 1: this like crisp on the outside and the inside is
Speaker 1: like steamy. It's like reconstituting a bagel, which you can
Speaker 1: do in an oven. But the air fryer, it like
Speaker 1: is flash air frying almost And people also do it
Speaker 1: with dumplings. People are obsessed with like soup dumplings or
Speaker 1: dumplings in the air fryer, like and it's different than frying,
Speaker 1: than pan frying, than roasting. It is it's its own animal.
Speaker 1: So you should screw around with air fryer. And there
Speaker 1: are toasters that have the air fry option, and I
Speaker 1: still don't understand, Like there's the one the air fires
Speaker 1: that have the handle that you pull out and you
Speaker 1: put this stuff in there, and you could put this
Speaker 1: like airfier paper in there, which I'm always fascinated by,
Speaker 1: Like you don't have to just use the foil there's
Speaker 1: like this paper sheets that you put under your stuff,
Speaker 1: and then there's the air fryer like revel like oven,
Speaker 1: and I'm always mesmerized by like what the difference is.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, the first of all, you can do
Speaker 3: the same thing technically with a convection option on the
Speaker 3: oven exactly, right, So that's kind of the same thing.
Speaker 2: So the difference is kind of is it really the
Speaker 2: same crisp though.
Speaker 3: It's a little more concentrated. It's a difference between having
Speaker 3: like a fan in the back of your oven and
Speaker 3: having a hair dryer on something. Right, It's like that.
Speaker 1: It's so yes, I get it exactly because I thought
Speaker 1: exactly because it sounds like a convection of it has
Speaker 1: got that noise.
Speaker 3: Right because it's it's literally blowing and circulating super hot air,
Speaker 3: which is just going to like give you more of
Speaker 3: a rounded sort of crisp crisp texture and around, you know,
Speaker 3: more even color.
Speaker 1: It's like a on our steam. It's like everywhere. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree with you. And they make I don't know
Speaker 1: why this is so funny. We're talking about the rewives.
Speaker 1: We're not talking about it at all. They make this
Speaker 1: one machine that I have that is gigantic, almost like
Speaker 1: a massive look cruse pan and you can put a
Speaker 1: whole chicken in it and you see like the air
Speaker 1: it's like and it's two air fried chicken, but like
Speaker 1: you could see the whole thing.
Speaker 2: It's not like those handle ones.
Speaker 3: You could do the whole chicken, the whole chicken, bones,
Speaker 3: the whole.
Speaker 2: Everything, and air fried chicken.
Speaker 1: So then you're getting like a fry, you know, deep
Speaker 1: fried chicken, but no, not the calories and the fat.
Speaker 1: So that's something that's and it's good and it's fast.
Speaker 3: Son was on Worst Cooks in America. Okay, so she
Speaker 3: her whole thing was she spoke to the producers and
Speaker 3: she was launching some like toaster oven line, right, and yeah,
Speaker 3: you could. You could do a lot of stuff on
Speaker 3: a toaster, right. I don't think you can cook twenty
Speaker 3: pounds of lamb chops, no, yeah, but she could.
Speaker 1: But you could take a you could take two lamb
Speaker 1: chops with some olive oil, rosemary, garlic and lemon, and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think it's something you should think about.
Speaker 1: But she never made the toaster oven because like most housewives,
Speaker 1: they need a storyline and it's usually fake yeah, so Sonia,
Speaker 1: you know, the toaster oven never came to fruition. Someone
Speaker 1: might have talked to her about it. She had an
Speaker 1: idea she'd put it on the show, but it never.
Speaker 1: There was never any toaster of And she even had
Speaker 1: a box that had a logo and her picture on
Speaker 1: it and did a photo shoot, but there was never
Speaker 1: an oven.
Speaker 3: It never. It never happens. No, Yeah, because I don't
Speaker 3: know if she was like the best like spokesperson for
Speaker 3: the technology. Yeah, yeah, worst cloks in America as like
Speaker 3: an infomercial for like my greatest toaster oven. Ever, I
Speaker 3: don't think that was a very slick demo.
Speaker 1: Well she was, Yeah, Well, the thing about Sonia, she's
Speaker 1: very sweet and she gets away with these like sort
Speaker 1: of ethel antics. And in this scene it seems like
Speaker 1: she's she's drinking and she's on the loop and so
Speaker 1: this is that's like a producer's dream that scene because
Speaker 1: it's just it's dramatic, but they don't kill the party
Speaker 1: with the drama, meaning it's still funny with the clip
Speaker 1: and the safari and you know, my point, my place
Speaker 1: in the show is like just like the sort of
Speaker 1: the running commentary. So then they get into a scene
Speaker 1: where Luanne is sitting down with Ramona, And what always
Speaker 1: happens in the Housewives is in one scene, there's one group,
Speaker 1: and then they're talking about someone that's in another scene.
Speaker 1: So Ramona, in an another scene, has said a bunch
Speaker 1: of negative things to me and about me and reference
Speaker 1: my daughter. And she just always makes a mistake and
Speaker 1: then wants to just cover it up with an apology.
Speaker 1: So it's like you make a bad dish, but you
Speaker 1: just want to cover it in ketchup in butter and
Speaker 1: salt and try to fix it.
Speaker 2: So that's Ramona.
Speaker 1: And now Ramona sits down with Luanne and Sonya, and
Speaker 1: Luanne has just gotten married to this guy Tom that
Speaker 1: she is now divorced from because he cheated on her,
Speaker 1: and Sonya has slept with Tom, she used to date him,
Speaker 1: so and Ramona has dated him also but hasn't slept
Speaker 1: with him. So that's why Luanne and Sonia get into
Speaker 1: that argument because Sonia fires a shot basically saying referencing
Speaker 1: that she's slep with Tom, and that's why Lang gets
Speaker 1: upset cause she thinks that's the line. She's just gotten married,
Speaker 1: you may have sucked my husband but now is not
Speaker 1: the time you bring it up because we're now married.
Speaker 1: So what do you what's your take on that?
Speaker 3: This is between my wife and my daughter. This is
Speaker 3: kind of like the dialogue that I listened to every
Speaker 3: day of the house your daughter. Not the details, not
Speaker 3: the details, right, But I just like this, that person
Speaker 3: did this, and this person did that, and like they
Speaker 3: did this, and I'm like, I'm like, real interesting. I
Speaker 3: don't know, it's like you know, I don't know to
Speaker 3: be honest, but like, what's my take on that? Like,
Speaker 3: because I remember, are you sort of sort of flashed
Speaker 3: foring up to the house and in Vermont? Now we're
Speaker 3: gonna get.
Speaker 1: We're getting there, we're talking about it now, that's we're
Speaker 1: getting there. We're at the we're at the lunch.
Speaker 3: Where we're still at the lunch.
Speaker 1: Ramona doesn't know she's getting invited because it's my trip. Aka,
Speaker 1: it's my trip because there's no it says Bethany's Lodge
Speaker 1: and Vermont Trust and believe I didn't pay for that snowboard.
Speaker 2: You do too, I know that, Yes, I know that
Speaker 2: from Sundance. I know I've seen you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't pay for the trip, like we don't
Speaker 1: pay for the trips. So when it says Bethany's trip,
Speaker 1: it's not my trip, and that's a whole other scam.
Speaker 1: Like it always makes it like someone rented a yacht.
Speaker 1: It's it's productions tripe. Yeah right, but it's so it's
Speaker 1: my but it's my trip, your trip, and I get
Speaker 1: to control who's coming. So I have control over this
Speaker 1: trip and also the Mexico trip I'm inviting them on.
Speaker 1: So that's why everyone's gonna hate me soon because now
Speaker 1: I'm controlling two trips.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So anyway, so that's that lie I'm saying the
Speaker 1: take on. Yeah, so if someone slept with your spouse
Speaker 1: and you've just gotten married, there's got to be a
Speaker 1: moratorium on discussing that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that just is that dinner conversation is
Speaker 3: especially like you know, I don't know, it seems like,
Speaker 3: you know, you they kind of come to the opportunity
Speaker 3: with the cameras lit, with like kerosing in their pocket,
Speaker 3: just ready to throw it whenever they've got a good
Speaker 3: camera angle on them, right, And so that to me
Speaker 3: is like when I'm watching this thing and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: she's dropping that right now, and then if and so
Speaker 3: like in the real life situation, would you ever bring
Speaker 3: up even if you knew somebody was doing something like that,
Speaker 3: would you ever in a million years bring it up
Speaker 3: in public if it was any of your business.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you asked, because that brings up a conversation
Speaker 1: going on overall in society about reality television. And it
Speaker 1: used to be real. It used to be more real,
Speaker 1: like it used to be Fly on the Wall, and
Speaker 1: now it's.
Speaker 3: Heavily Real World season one, yeah right.
Speaker 1: And even Housewives season one, And now it's happening for years,
Speaker 1: and it's evolved because a couple things are happening. Someone,
Speaker 1: I'm bringing it back to you. Someone's taste buds are shot.
Speaker 1: They've tasted every hot pepper, so now you really have
Speaker 1: to burn them for them to feel it. Because for years,
Speaker 1: it used to be that a girl said to me
Speaker 1: at a restaurant that she was up here and I
Speaker 1: was down here, and that was a massive scene.
Speaker 2: It like shook everyone.
Speaker 1: That would be nothing today because today people slip at
Speaker 1: each other's husbands, toss their prosthetic legs on dance floors,
Speaker 1: flip tables like the bar keeps getting raised, and reality
Speaker 1: what or lowered right, and reality TV means use your
Speaker 1: you know how you tell your kid, like use your
Speaker 1: use your inside voice, like it's telling adults, use your
Speaker 1: whole inside voice. It's like, don't hold anything back and
Speaker 1: don't edit yourself. And that's the thing. If you didn't
Speaker 1: edit anything you thought and always said it to everyone
Speaker 1: around you, no matter who was next to you, If
Speaker 1: you said to your mom, to your sister, so you
Speaker 1: just said anything that comes into your mind out loud
Speaker 1: and there were cameras.
Speaker 3: On friends, would have no job. You know, like some
Speaker 3: things I think about are really funny but really inappropriate,
Speaker 3: and some things I think to myself like okay, I
Speaker 3: would just never like I'm sort of quietly shocked, but
Speaker 3: I would never bring it up. Or some things you
Speaker 3: notice or you may have some inside intel on someone's
Speaker 3: private life that is none of your business, right and
Speaker 3: not your story and not your headline.
Speaker 1: So that's what reality TV is. Mention it all every
Speaker 1: single thing. You were saying it to your wife, you're
Speaker 1: saying it to your daughter, you're saying it in front
Speaker 1: of people at your country club. Because if I go
Speaker 1: to pick up her drop off and there's a mom
Speaker 1: next to me, and she's wearing an unattractive shirt. You
Speaker 1: can trust and believe I'm not going to say that.
Speaker 1: On the Houseise you'd be like, what the hell you
Speaker 1: think you're wearing that shirt?
Speaker 3: If it feels like you're kind of like, you know,
Speaker 3: busting beans with somebody you know at a further friend,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I think sometimes you can
Speaker 3: kind of get away with that kind of conversation. So
Speaker 3: I don't know, like, listen, it's very entertaining, it's super entertaining.
Speaker 3: I was sucked in, Like I'm not a big like
Speaker 3: real Housewise watcher, but I was like watching this episode
Speaker 3: and I really started to kind of get into the conversation,
Speaker 3: following along with with what they were talking about from
Speaker 3: a dude's point of view, trying to kind of keep
Speaker 3: up with all of it. And and so to me,
Speaker 3: like watching this, I I feel like I got a
Speaker 3: little kind of insight on on thet I don't want
Speaker 3: to phrase this, like how how like the guys don't
Speaker 3: speak to each other.
Speaker 2: That way, right the psyche?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like the only close thing to Housewives that
Speaker 1: guys do in public would be like barstool sports. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like that's that's the closest example of just like unfiltered,
Speaker 1: un edited for profit content.
Speaker 3: You know that could could be kind of funny. Sometimes
Speaker 3: they'll mean, you know, yeah for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, So a couple of inside little easter eggs.
Speaker 1: Like this guy at that Italian restaurant says to Carol
Speaker 1: that she looks Malania Trump. She's like hates and despises Trump.
Speaker 1: She's fully for Hillary Tinsley, who is like a little
Speaker 1: Vallery in a box, which Dorinda said. I don't want
Speaker 1: to give away too much, but she has pretty much
Speaker 1: walked away from reality television. She's found happiness in her
Speaker 1: personal life. So I want to give a.
Speaker 2: Shout out to her and.
Speaker 1: Luanne and Tom, the man who had just gotten married
Speaker 1: have been long divorced. Now that's what's so crazy about
Speaker 1: how the tide turns on the show. Okay, so now
Speaker 1: we are getting to Vermont, and I'll also say something
Speaker 1: to you. What I noticed on this episode is like
Speaker 1: everybody looks normal, Like people don't look like aliens over
Speaker 1: glammed over chanel. Like if you see the Real Housewives
Speaker 1: of Beverly Hills, your wife would know. It looks like
Speaker 1: everybody is beyond like on stage, and I feel like,
Speaker 1: what I like about this New York group is that
Speaker 1: everybody looks normal. We don't have makeup on. We're kind
Speaker 1: of just looking like what we look like in our homes.
Speaker 1: And I like that in a show that's like the
Speaker 1: last bit of reality that was in Reality TV.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so it looks like because my wife goes
Speaker 3: on girlfriend trips like that all the time. She's going
Speaker 3: to Portland next weekend. Yeah, a couple of girls just
Speaker 3: to go for the weekend. She does that kind of
Speaker 3: stuff all the time. And then it's like this really
Speaker 3: good kind of friend pile up where they've got reservations
Speaker 3: and a couple of fun restaurants and they're just going
Speaker 3: to go and kind of connect with each other. And
Speaker 3: I really applaud that. Right, So my wife has got
Speaker 3: a handful of friends, and sometimes she gets lost in
Speaker 3: our kid kids worlds, right, and she is their biggest
Speaker 3: champion and their number one supporter and with them, you know,
Speaker 3: seemingly twenty four hours a day, and I really have
Speaker 3: to like push her to go do things like this.
Speaker 3: I'm like, Babe, she's got like really good friends that,
Speaker 3: you know, because we're both in our fifties. Now I'm
Speaker 3: fifty two.
Speaker 2: She's just turned to, Oh, I'm fifty two. When's your birthday?
Speaker 3: March third?
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm November four, I'm fifty two. Also, So and
Speaker 2: you have two kids.
Speaker 3: I have we have three, my old oh, and we
Speaker 3: have two teenagers. We have a sixteen year old son
Speaker 3: and a fifteen year old daughter. And so my wife
Speaker 3: is just like in their life as you know, the
Speaker 3: person who runs the house, right, and she does an
Speaker 3: amazing job of that kind of stuff. And then this
Speaker 3: thing will kind of pop up where it's like, well,
Speaker 3: our friends are you know, my girl, my other two
Speaker 3: friends are going to London for the weekend, and I
Speaker 3: really want to go. I'm like, honey, you are an
Speaker 3: adult and you do not have to ask my opinion
Speaker 3: or my permission if you want to go to like,
Speaker 3: just go to London for the weekend. And she went
Speaker 3: and she had the best time. And then Portland's coming
Speaker 3: up this weekend and she wants to go, and then
Speaker 3: these other big trips that come up. I'm like, you
Speaker 3: should just like do yourself a favor. Water the gardens
Speaker 3: as like a friend group, live your life.
Speaker 1: And she's an unpaid intern like me, I'm an unpaid intern.
Speaker 1: She's doing everything for the kids and like you need that.
Speaker 1: I think that's great. And also she's living her own life.
Speaker 1: You are living your life like you can't live her
Speaker 1: life for her, and vice versa. So I think it's great.
Speaker 1: And these girls trips, it's funny. On the house, I
Speaker 1: didn't really love them because they're obviously work. But some
Speaker 1: women I know Needy Leeks, who's on Atlanta Ramona. Some
Speaker 1: women did really like these trips because it was getting
Speaker 1: away from their homes. Because they're very good housewives in
Speaker 1: that it doesn't matter if it's dramatic for them. They
Speaker 1: can still have fun on the trip where I can
Speaker 1: still have some fun, but it's work fun. I don't
Speaker 1: I want to be on a vacation and I don't
Speaker 1: want to have to do anything. I don't want to
Speaker 1: have to put a microphone on it. I don't want
Speaker 1: to have This is work to me.
Speaker 3: You guys know each other off camera, you.
Speaker 1: Don't really know each other when you enter the show.
Speaker 1: Some of the women pretend they've been friends for fifteen
Speaker 1: years because they've known each other in a circle in
Speaker 1: the way that you might know another chef for fifteen years,
Speaker 1: but you don't really know them and you're not like
Speaker 1: best friends at them. When you're working, everything you're talking
Speaker 1: about is effectively the show. It doesn't seem like it,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't feel like it. But even if you
Speaker 1: think you're best friends with someone because you've nurtured the
Speaker 1: relationship on the show, it's really all you're really talking about.
Speaker 1: And then people one person leaves the show and comes
Speaker 1: awkward between the two of them, or both leave, and
Speaker 1: then it becomes further, a bigger distance. It's just very
Speaker 1: hard to sustain interpersonal relationships in this environment because someone's
Speaker 1: always winning and someone's always losing, and everything has to
Speaker 1: be brought up.
Speaker 3: And did you gravitate towards anybody in particular? Like what
Speaker 3: cast member are you still friends with?
Speaker 1: So I was very close with Carol, the one who
Speaker 1: was wearing the safari outfit, and I wanted to compliment
Speaker 1: her in this episode because she was humorous and I
Speaker 1: remember really really liking her. And I don't think it's
Speaker 1: I don't think it's possible to sustain really good relationships
Speaker 1: within this environment. And we did meet and become friends
Speaker 1: during this experience, but we also broke up during this experience,
Speaker 1: and I've had my friends since high school. Like, it's
Speaker 1: just not an environment that fosters relationships. And Dirinda, I
Speaker 1: really really like. I enjoyed Drenda, and we've been close.
Speaker 1: We're not as close as we used to be, but
Speaker 1: I respect her. I'll text her.
Speaker 3: She was on our podcast, by the way. I mean
Speaker 3: she she loves a grandkid, she loves cooking.
Speaker 2: She's like, you know, Durnda's great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean she's very amusing, and she's a great housewife.
Speaker 1: Tinsley the Valerie in a box is somebody who was
Speaker 1: a good not great housewife. But butt Head's a little
Speaker 1: on the show, which bums me out because I really
Speaker 1: like her off the show.
Speaker 2: I really really enjoy her. I like her.
Speaker 1: Luanne reminded me on this episode that she really always
Speaker 1: is in a good mood when shooting, Like she comes
Speaker 1: in and she's pretty positive. She gets aggravated, but she's
Speaker 1: a good housewife. Like this is a good this is
Speaker 1: a good group. We may not we're not, we may
Speaker 1: not be friends, but I'm going to give them the
Speaker 1: respect that they deserve when watching truthfully, I can't just like,
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest yeah, So let me ask you
Speaker 1: a question.
Speaker 2: The room rule.
Speaker 1: You go on a trip, your wife goes on a
Speaker 1: trip with a bunch of people. You go with a
Speaker 1: bunch of guys, what's the rule?
Speaker 3: Like this, you get the worst room?
Speaker 2: But then why would you ever get their last? You
Speaker 2: get their first.
Speaker 1: You'd want to get the you'd want to get the
Speaker 1: best room.
Speaker 3: Like what if?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but what if the show got booked cars and
Speaker 1: then that other car came later? Like shouldn't that be
Speaker 1: discussed ahead of time? Like who cares? Like what do
Speaker 1: you think? I never cared because we're never going to
Speaker 1: be in the room. I never cared.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't care. I certainly wouldn't complain. I certainly wouldn't
Speaker 3: make a big deal about it. But that's the rule,
Speaker 3: Like if you because we go to you know, French
Speaker 3: friends trips all the time, and whoever gets to the
Speaker 3: house in Mexico first gets their first choice room, and
Speaker 3: ever shows up last, you get what you get?
Speaker 2: But is that at a restaurant too?
Speaker 1: Like, so you pick a restaurant and you get there,
Speaker 1: lest the people you're going with, they're going to sit
Speaker 1: in the seats facing out, and you're going to sit
Speaker 1: facing in because you got their last. But it's your restaurant, Like,
Speaker 1: what what's that?
Speaker 3: Well, if it were my restaurant, No, literally.
Speaker 1: Your restaurant, your front Bobby Flay, you're boning a Bobby
Speaker 1: Flay's restaurant.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't you know? When I go out to dinner,
Speaker 3: I always give my guests like preferred seating. Okay, I
Speaker 3: walk up to a table of the group, I'm like,
Speaker 3: I sort of give them the best opportunity to have
Speaker 3: the best seat, because to me, I just think it's
Speaker 3: a kind thing to do. But if you get there last,
Speaker 3: and you know the clock is ticking, and I've got
Speaker 3: my bags and I want to drop it down that I
Speaker 3: don't know where you are or what time your car
Speaker 3: is showing up, and your schedule is not my schedule,
Speaker 3: and I don't know when you're showing up. I'm going
Speaker 3: to take the room with a view.
Speaker 2: Take the room of the view.
Speaker 1: What is do you think the best seat is the
Speaker 1: one that's looking out, that's like the furthest you walk
Speaker 1: into a restaurant, it's the seat that's looking at the
Speaker 1: hole room that to you is the or the one
Speaker 1: with the view.
Speaker 3: I guess right, it really depends on the restaurant, right,
Speaker 3: So if there is a view, that's the best seat,
Speaker 3: and if there's no view, then the seat that faces
Speaker 3: the room is the best view. Right.
Speaker 1: But then if you're going to get recognized, it's not
Speaker 1: the best because I always want to sit facing the wall, sadly,
Speaker 1: because I don't.
Speaker 3: It just depends. And sometimes I'm with you. Sometimes when
Speaker 3: I go out in public, I just don't really want
Speaker 3: to be bothered, so I'll just, you know, quietly sort
Speaker 3: of put my back to the room so nobody walks
Speaker 3: up to me. But I'm sure that's the same thing
Speaker 3: with you, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, I said, yeah, exactly, because.
Speaker 3: You just want to be present. I don't want to
Speaker 3: be you know, on or have to have a common
Speaker 3: as much as I love it. I mean, listen, twenty
Speaker 3: seven years on television, just like you, like, people walk
Speaker 3: up and they they they have a relationship with us,
Speaker 3: with you, of course that we don't know anything about,
Speaker 3: and it's very personal. Right, People walk up to me
Speaker 3: and they'll they'll have that best friend energy right away
Speaker 3: and they're like, oh my god, I saw you on
Speaker 3: television last week, and that thing that you made, I
Speaker 3: made it for my friends. It was just so delicious
Speaker 3: and I just want to come by and say hi
Speaker 3: and like. And my thing is, you can never disrespect
Speaker 3: that every ever for a second, right because because we,
Speaker 3: as you know, television personalities, can never think for a
Speaker 3: second that there's not a foresale by by date on
Speaker 3: our career.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, no, of course, and that person. And
Speaker 1: I've had people come up to me in the bathroom
Speaker 1: at airports and then be a little jarring and then
Speaker 1: feel guilty and think about it for the next two
Speaker 1: hours looking for the person in the airport, like wanting
Speaker 1: to like take back that moment that I was a
Speaker 1: little bit like, can I just wait one second till
Speaker 1: we get outside exactly? And then I feel and then
Speaker 1: if they walk away because that was their one moment
Speaker 1: and they feel like they had the courage and then
Speaker 1: they walk away, then I feel terrible, like I actually
Speaker 1: torture myself.
Speaker 2: I will.
Speaker 1: It's just worth being so present and so positive, even
Speaker 1: in a restroom, because I don't like that feeling.
Speaker 2: I hate the feeling of disappointing someone. It's a worse feeling.
Speaker 3: Last week, this dude, I was in this public space
Speaker 3: and I could see out of my peripheral vision. There
Speaker 3: was a guy because like sometimes when you can tell
Speaker 3: you clocked him, you can see him, right, I see
Speaker 3: this guy, but I can't really tell tell, you know,
Speaker 3: and unless he like taps me on the shoulder, I'm
Speaker 3: not going to walk up to him going hey, did
Speaker 3: you want to take a picture? Like and so, and
Speaker 3: I was walking towards the bathroom and then he stopped
Speaker 3: and he waited for me to come out of the bathroom,
Speaker 3: and then he walked up to me and he goes, hey, bro,
Speaker 3: can I get a picture? I'm like, of course you can.
Speaker 1: You know you gotta because it's a big moment for them, exactly.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So Ramona, the one who I told you every trip
Speaker 1: to her is like her honeymoon. She can have the
Speaker 1: best time, it doesn't matter. And Ramona thinks there are
Speaker 1: special rules for her. She makes up her own rules
Speaker 1: that she no the one the blonde who says, well,
Speaker 1: sonya and I like to share a room, so that
Speaker 1: means we should get the bathtub and get the back
Speaker 1: every trip, the same thing that we should.
Speaker 2: She should just say, I'm the oldest.
Speaker 1: She's in her she's in her sixties, and she should
Speaker 1: just always say I'm the oldest, so I.
Speaker 2: Should get the preference. She should. I don't know why
Speaker 2: she didn't go with that years ago.
Speaker 1: She's always been the oldest, and she should have just
Speaker 1: gone with that, because it'd be hard to argue with that.
Speaker 1: Who it's not a well would if you're there with
Speaker 1: your elders, your grandparents are somebody you're gonna parents.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but not like a friend who happens to be
Speaker 3: ten years older than me.
Speaker 1: No, she's not well yeah, she's twelve, thirteen years old. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just no, I'm saying it would work.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's true, but she doesn't care.
Speaker 2: If it's true.
Speaker 1: If she said it, we'd go for it. I think
Speaker 1: I would go for it. She'd be like, I'm older
Speaker 1: than you and I you know, and I'd be like,
Speaker 1: you know what, Ramona, You're right. That's why Tinseley always
Speaker 1: got stuck in the shitty room. She's the baby of
Speaker 1: the group. So it's like, so it's okay, you're young,
Speaker 1: go in the twin bed. Yeah, I think, like I
Speaker 1: think we should have. She should have gone at that,
Speaker 1: but Ramona wants special rules. And it's funny how Carol
Speaker 1: was so really passionate about the room placement, but then
Speaker 1: when Ramona confronted her, Carol could not have the courage
Speaker 1: in person. It's like, these are the types of people
Speaker 1: that like have keyboard courage, Like she she was faced
Speaker 1: with Ramona, who said, wait.
Speaker 2: Why, and Carol's like, I don't know, huh.
Speaker 1: Do you remember Carol was the one who was very
Speaker 1: passionate about, like Drenda getting her room and scrambling for
Speaker 1: the room.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw that, and it was it was a
Speaker 3: big sort of mash up, all right, I did it
Speaker 3: seem like there's a lot of cameras going on. There
Speaker 3: was a lot of chit chat, a lot of chatter
Speaker 3: going on. There was there was I think four or
Speaker 3: five different like two person conversations kind of happening at
Speaker 3: the same time. So it was a little, like I said,
Speaker 3: from a dude's perspective, it's a little hard to keep
Speaker 3: up with, you know, sort of watching all this exactly.
Speaker 3: But like the big thing that I thought was really
Speaker 3: kind of interesting, like which which housewife had recently gotten married?
Speaker 3: And then that was her sort of flag on the
Speaker 3: ground of why she was so upset because she didn't
Speaker 3: get the good room exactly.
Speaker 1: That's Countess, Countess Luenne de les sep. She just got married,
Speaker 1: but like not yesterday, and I don't we don't know
Speaker 1: the correlation. I don't understand the correlation to Ramona getting
Speaker 1: the best room because she's sharing with something. I understand
Speaker 1: that more she's sharing. So she's saying two of us
Speaker 1: together could get the best room. But like, we didn't
Speaker 1: sign up for that contract. But then Luanne is saying
Speaker 1: I just got married, so I deserve the best room,
Speaker 1: as if this is like her honeymoon that we're all
Speaker 1: just going to be on without her husband.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I just got married. It would be nice
Speaker 3: if you guys gave me the good room. And I
Speaker 3: can't believe I didn't get the good room. And don't
Speaker 3: you know I just got married and I just got.
Speaker 2: Married and you agree with that or it's bizarre logic.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's a cheap card to play, Like I don't,
Speaker 3: I don't understand, Like you get okay, that's that's the
Speaker 3: adult rule of sharing the house for the weekend. If
Speaker 3: you get there last, you get what you get.
Speaker 2: Okay. That's the telephones, that's the rule.
Speaker 3: That is the rule. Like we're all going in together,
Speaker 3: you know, and like especially if somebody's paying for it,
Speaker 3: like if you're not paying for it, right, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean? Like if it were like we're all
Speaker 3: going to split this house four couples, and I would
Speaker 3: probably want to know the room accommodations set up if
Speaker 3: I paid for it. But if I certainly didn't pay
Speaker 3: for it, and I got invited to go for the
Speaker 3: weekend and I really just wanted to go ski and
Speaker 3: drink red wine by the fire and hang out with
Speaker 3: my friends and cook and whatever, and I got there
Speaker 3: four hours later than everybody else, I would fully expect
Speaker 3: to get the basement room.
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, you offer a service. It's like
Speaker 1: if you're a massage therapist and you're coming on the tub,
Speaker 1: you should get the bigg roomcause you're gonna.
Speaker 3: Be the best person a vacation with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're cooking, so you should have the big Yeah
Speaker 1: you're yes, forget I mean if you're a d J,
Speaker 1: yeah you probably DJ. Also you offer ser idea I'm
Speaker 1: the party fucking yeah, no, you deserve two. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: are an exception. You should never be in the bad room.
Speaker 3: Get the broom.
Speaker 1: Yeah you should, But I don't know if ever, But
Speaker 1: first of all, what if it's your fake trip. It's
Speaker 1: my fake trip, so I should get the best room.
Speaker 1: I didn't pay for the goddamn trip.
Speaker 3: Did you get there first?
Speaker 1: Yes, it's my fake trip. I got there with other people,
Speaker 1: my fake trip. Three of us came together boom.
Speaker 3: But who walked the door first?
Speaker 1: I mean that's no, because then Ramona would be ripping
Speaker 1: limbs off. I once had a pinata at a party
Speaker 1: that had fine jewelry in it, and Ramona like lost
Speaker 1: the shoe trying to get that jewelry out of there.
Speaker 1: I mean, she will cut a bitch, She will cut
Speaker 1: a bit. I mean, you can't imagine they'd be like.
Speaker 3: They'd be like, that's a difference between Real Housewives and
Speaker 3: New York City and Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. That's hilarious. Okay.
Speaker 1: So the best too, is that I wish that we
Speaker 1: had the word gas lighting, that we used it when
Speaker 1: we were shooting The Housewives. It just wasn't back then
Speaker 1: a word that was used like every day like now,
Speaker 1: because Ramona gives a whole synopsis, she's saying that like
Speaker 1: she's blaming everything on me. That happened between the two
Speaker 1: of us, And then I love that the producers go
Speaker 1: back and do a montage of all the mean things
Speaker 1: Ramona's said to me, like she's literally abused me, but
Speaker 1: wants me just to put it under the rug and
Speaker 1: be friends with her again and sometimes and that's the
Speaker 1: problem with these shows because now you have to be
Speaker 1: with someone on a trip, and so it's fake friendships.
Speaker 1: It's a fake trip, but yet you're acting like it's real,
Speaker 1: that it's your fake trip. But I don't want to
Speaker 1: spend time with Ramona on my fake trip. Like by
Speaker 1: that logic, you just kind of wouldn't care who you
Speaker 1: hung out with at any point because all of it's
Speaker 1: not real. But you understand that there's like fifty shades
Speaker 1: of gray. It's still too human beings.
Speaker 3: So that's real if I sing no, is that okay? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Do you not understand?
Speaker 3: Like this is where I kind of get lood?
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, You're put in a house with chefs that
Speaker 1: you don't know, and all of you are just living
Speaker 1: there and cooking different recipes and you have to tell
Speaker 1: Bobby Flay and Michael Simon and all these people what
Speaker 1: you really think it's too much salt. It's like shit,
Speaker 1: I can't believe you overcooked it. How have you been
Speaker 1: into all the shit that you really think? And you're
Speaker 1: or even better, chefs that you don't you don't know,
Speaker 1: chefs that you know of that are just there or
Speaker 1: don't know, and now you're in a house with them
Speaker 1: and you're living with them and you can't fucking stand them,
Speaker 1: but you have to be with them for the next
Speaker 1: three months, so the interactions are going to be real,
Speaker 1: and you're going to have to talk to them, even
Speaker 1: though it's not real that you would be for four
Speaker 1: months with any chefs, but you are for four months
Speaker 1: of chefs, living with them and being with them every
Speaker 1: day with cameras.
Speaker 3: That's a nightmare. Thank you.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to explain your body, your human being. You
Speaker 1: have blood running through your vans, so you're standing next
Speaker 1: to someone, you're exhausted, you've been drinking alcohol, you're dehydrated,
Speaker 1: you're working. So when they say your croquettes taste like shit,
Speaker 1: you might punch somebody. You're not a person who punches,
Speaker 1: but you might punch somebody. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Now, do you understand, Yeah, well, I mean push, come
Speaker 3: to shove if you start insulting my croquets. You know,
Speaker 3: three and a half classes deep, that's what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 3: those croquettes buck those cats. I mean sometimes she gets crazy.
Speaker 1: Yes, so that's that's thank you. Yes, I needed to
Speaker 1: let you know.
Speaker 2: So the ballerina in a box.
Speaker 3: She's a pretty born with the with the yes braids,
Speaker 3: the cool braids on top of her hair.
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, yes, she's like perfect, she always has. She
Speaker 1: was a socialite. She still wear tap it in go
Speaker 1: to like the met Gala, And she had a fall
Speaker 1: from Grace and she dated some of the wrong people
Speaker 1: and she ended up on page six and she was.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: She had dated someone and married them Topper Mortimer. She's
Speaker 1: from Virginia, Like, she kind of did everything right to
Speaker 1: tee her up to be in w magazine. So she
Speaker 1: did everything right to get herself to the met Gala
Speaker 1: and had a lipstick line and a handbag line and
Speaker 1: then it all crashed and burned because she made some
Speaker 1: bad decisions.
Speaker 2: And so this show was her comeback.
Speaker 1: But she's still tinsely, she's still beautiful, she has the
Speaker 1: long last she looks perfect everyday she's Southern. She's dressed
Speaker 1: to it the nines every day. So now she comes
Speaker 1: back and this is all produced because the show wants
Speaker 1: to get her into the show. But she doesn't live
Speaker 1: in New York. So she's living at Sonya Morgan, the
Speaker 1: Toaster Oven girl, who has a townhouse, which is like
Speaker 1: a character in the show her townhouse because she it's
Speaker 1: mortgage to the hill, so she's never kind of getting
Speaker 1: out of that townhouse. And she was married to a
Speaker 1: Morgan like JP Morgan, so she's still in that Morgan
Speaker 1: townhouse understandably so, and Tinsley's living with her. So that's
Speaker 1: very produced because Tinsley's living with her, so she can
Speaker 1: be a real housewive of New York.
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, I do remember that situation. So she was
Speaker 3: kind of upset that she was living with this other person,
Speaker 3: and then there was like rules of the house if
Speaker 3: I remember that correctly.
Speaker 1: Right, right, So Sonia is trying to control Tinsley because
Speaker 1: she's saying Tinsley came back to New York and they
Speaker 1: weren't real friends. They've known each other for years, but
Speaker 1: it's another one of these friendships that gets more concentrated
Speaker 1: because of the show. So now she's living for the
Speaker 1: show with Sonya, and Sonya's effectively imposing rules on her
Speaker 1: even though she's a forty two year old adult, and
Speaker 1: whatever the rules are, it doesn't matter. Like I end
Speaker 1: up saying in one of my interviews, like this is
Speaker 1: my hotel checkouts at noon. You don't like it, you
Speaker 1: don't have to live here. So whatever Sonya's.
Speaker 3: Rules were, that was Azinger.
Speaker 2: By the way, what I said, yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1: That's the only reason I'm there is for the singer,
Speaker 1: So I don't really probably add any other value. So
Speaker 1: so Sonya's input, do you agree Sonya's it's Sonya's how
Speaker 1: Sonya's rules, It doesn't matter what they are. Is that
Speaker 1: fair or that's not a friend or what do you think?
Speaker 3: Well, I listen, I never think about the situations like
Speaker 3: it couldn't happen to me, right, because you got you
Speaker 3: never know you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like that right? No, right, you're right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, It's like you have a bad couple of years
Speaker 3: and you know you end up like staying at somebody's
Speaker 3: house and stuff like that, and there's like bad croquettes,
Speaker 3: bad croquetes, let's sleek at bad croquetes get let's say,
Speaker 3: shit gets crazy and your back BET's take over the world.
Speaker 1: And then you end up No, you get a reputation.
Speaker 1: You have bad croquettes the whole restaurant. It's bad for you,
Speaker 1: bad for your career. Bad croquetes are bad for TV
Speaker 1: chefs exactly.
Speaker 3: And then take two. You're staying at somebody's house, right,
Speaker 3: and so you sleep on the couch, right.
Speaker 2: Well, so in you's house, and you're sleeping with stuffed animals, which.
Speaker 3: Is what was happening. Your croquets are so bad you
Speaker 3: end up sleeping on the couch is somebody's house, right. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's a downward spiral, yep, that you could have corrected
Speaker 3: if if somebody had given you some real advice and
Speaker 3: say your croquets are salty toast or an airca I
Speaker 3: tried it, or an area to try it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: maybe you should have used an air fryer. They could
Speaker 3: a little crisp beer.
Speaker 2: Yep, you're growing.
Speaker 3: Could have happened, could have You're.
Speaker 2: Growing as a chef as we speak.
Speaker 3: I feel like that, I feel like them. And then
Speaker 3: you end up in that situation, and then you know,
Speaker 3: then you're sort of like stuck in this thing, trying
Speaker 3: to like claw your way out of it. And then
Speaker 3: so if somebody says, what were the rules, by the way,
Speaker 3: was it like whether harsh rules or she was complained
Speaker 3: about the rules or what, like, I think Midnight, don't
Speaker 3: fucking yeah.
Speaker 1: I think we're talking about the fact that she was
Speaker 1: starting to date, and I know she wasn't bringing guys there.
Speaker 1: But Sonya was imposing her opinion on the way that
Speaker 1: Tinsley was dating. And Sonya was saying that Tinsley had
Speaker 1: expressed that she didn't want to get a bad reputation,
Speaker 1: and Sonya Morgan was like back in the fifties, saying
Speaker 1: that she, you know, she was being like a fifties mom,
Speaker 1: which is interesting because that's what Tinsley's mom is like.
Speaker 1: It's almost like they were on the Titanic and it
Speaker 1: was like Rose in her mom and Sonya, who you
Speaker 1: know likes to have a couple of men in her townhouse,
Speaker 1: is basically saying to Tinsley, like, you said you didn't
Speaker 1: want to affect your reputation, and Tinsley's basically being spoken
Speaker 1: for like Sonya's like, you wanted to meet someone, you
Speaker 1: want to get a husband, you want to whatever, And
Speaker 1: I don't think the way you're handling it is correct,
Speaker 1: which I do understand because Tinsley had told Sonya I
Speaker 1: guess what she was looking for. But in the moment,
Speaker 1: I think Tinsley might be lonely, or she's dating, or
Speaker 1: I don't know, she's making mistakes.
Speaker 2: Sonya thinks.
Speaker 1: So we're all chiming in and being like forty two
Speaker 1: year old women move out like this is her rules.
Speaker 1: So I'm saying, her house, her rules, no matter what
Speaker 1: they are, I think.
Speaker 3: So. I think when you're in that situation like that,
Speaker 3: you're just inviting somebody to have an opinion about your life.
Speaker 3: You're inviting that it, You're accepting that as part of
Speaker 3: the responsibility of yourself right there at that moment in
Speaker 3: your life. Like if I moved in with my mother
Speaker 3: in law, I was just then expector to give me
Speaker 3: a blow by blow daily recap of how she would
Speaker 3: have done my life differently. And I love I love
Speaker 3: my mother in law, I love it, but I would
Speaker 3: just expect that, you know what I mean, Like because
Speaker 3: like even my own mom, my mom, if I moved
Speaker 3: back home every day, she'd be like, well, I told you,
Speaker 3: and you should have and if you listen to me,
Speaker 3: it would have like and I you know what's going
Speaker 3: on with this and tell me about that? Right?
Speaker 2: And so, well, what if you don't eat breakfast? She
Speaker 2: wants to eat breakfast.
Speaker 1: You woke up and you're you know, she's going to
Speaker 1: think that you or if you go swimming right after
Speaker 1: you eat croquettes, she's going to say, you make a stomache.
Speaker 3: If you don't wait a half an hour, you're going
Speaker 3: to get cramps.
Speaker 2: Right, So you wouldn't know that if you were in
Speaker 2: the house.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she gets crazy. So I think, you know, hopefully
Speaker 3: I don't know where she is in the world right now.
Speaker 3: I hope she I hope she moved out. Do we
Speaker 3: know where she is right now? What's her up right now?
Speaker 2: She? I mean, I don't want to hear it.
Speaker 3: By the way, I don't even know who was president.
Speaker 3: I was trying to like watch this stuff like this.
Speaker 1: I think Luanne was president. I'm not sure that Glenn
Speaker 1: still separate president. Well, no, I think it was around that. No,
Speaker 1: it was for the election, for the election for Trump.
Speaker 3: Okay, it was.
Speaker 2: Right around before.
Speaker 1: That's why the Milania reference to Carol looking like Milania.
Speaker 1: It wasn't as bad a reference now to her because
Speaker 1: Trump hadn't been elected yet. But we did shoot, Yes,
Speaker 1: we did shoot the election night.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: So to answer your question, Tinsley.
Speaker 1: Is very, very happy and her life is exactly where
Speaker 1: she has wanted it to be. So she doesn't live
Speaker 1: in the town how she doesn't live in New York,
Speaker 1: and she is very Yes, I'm so ry. She's very happy.
Speaker 1: Sonya still lives in the town house. I'm related, and
Speaker 1: her reputation is intact good.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: Do you think a lot of women have a hard
Speaker 3: time surviving Real Housewives?
Speaker 1: Well, there's something going on. It's the biggest conversation happening
Speaker 1: right now. In one of the biggest conversations in entertainment.
Speaker 1: Is this reality reckoning that I started, where it is
Speaker 1: by some people seen as hypocritical because I cashed out
Speaker 1: and capitalized on that medium, that in my opinion, has
Speaker 1: really devolved since I started, although it was still not,
Speaker 1: you know, perfect when I started, and that there are
Speaker 1: many people who capitalize on it and do very well,
Speaker 1: but there are many people who it really ruins their
Speaker 1: lives because of the way that they're exploited and the
Speaker 1: way that, for example, some people have their kids on
Speaker 1: the show when their little kids and their kids have
Speaker 1: microphones on and they have to have these conversations, and
Speaker 1: then for the rest of their lives, these kids are
Speaker 1: known for what they were doing and saying when they
Speaker 1: were thirteen. So there's a big debate going on right
Speaker 1: now about where a line is. I created the debate,
Speaker 1: but it's a very big debate and about unionization and
Speaker 1: all that. So to answer your question, I believe that
Speaker 1: it makes some people thrive, but it also ruins some
Speaker 1: people's lives and reputations.
Speaker 2: So there's a dance a line.
Speaker 3: So I was invited to be the Bachelor one year
Speaker 3: stop and I turned it down. Wow, turned on a
Speaker 3: bunch of stuff. I turned down Let's Apprentice.
Speaker 1: Same, I turned down the Celebrity Apprentice because I did
Speaker 1: the Regular Apprentice.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: Same. Turned out turned down those two things.
Speaker 3: Because like who's like, who's your the Bachelor.
Speaker 1: Fame is a dangerous game, and you know, there's a
Speaker 1: line with it. And for you, if you did the apprint,
Speaker 1: you're very successful and you're on TV. If if you
Speaker 1: did the Apprentice and you got fired in the first
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, it could be worse for you.
Speaker 3: It wouldn't matter.
Speaker 2: Well you don't know, well.
Speaker 3: I mean it might matter if it will, because you've
Speaker 3: always got this baseline thing. I just think some people
Speaker 3: are kind of in this reality thing and that's their
Speaker 3: full time job. It's just kind of being in the
Speaker 3: reality world right where, you know, like like we said
Speaker 3: earlier in our conversations, like the cake has to be good.
Speaker 3: It's not about the frost, and it's about the cake.
Speaker 3: Like I've got a real life and a real career,
Speaker 3: Like I'm a restaurant tour and a chef, and I
Speaker 3: have you know, I have hundreds of employees, and so
Speaker 3: this other stuff kind of feels fun for me. Right
Speaker 3: Like the TV thing used to be my wheel, and
Speaker 3: now it's just sort of a spoke in my wheel
Speaker 3: because we have other things that are kind of equally
Speaker 3: as important that we you know, we kind of put
Speaker 3: in cycles. But sometimes I wonder and I worry for
Speaker 3: some of these folks that kind of get caught up
Speaker 3: in the reality world, especially in the chef reality world,
Speaker 3: like with Top Chef, and.
Speaker 1: That's different because that's more dramatic to the point of
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about at least it's grounded in a
Speaker 1: competition where it stays contained. But it's funny that you're
Speaker 1: saying this because, first of all, it sounds like you're
Speaker 1: not willing to gamble something you're not willing to lose,
Speaker 1: so to go on the Apprentice, the upside does not
Speaker 1: outweigh how bad the downside could be, like going into
Speaker 1: a casino, Like, how what's my upside and what's my downside?
Speaker 3: You have too much to lose show. I think like
Speaker 3: Gary Busey was on that same season, I can't remember who,
Speaker 3: like the other cast member was like, there's no way
Speaker 3: I'm doing.
Speaker 2: That right because I don't think you.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: I think that if you look like a clown, that's
Speaker 1: a big downside, And what's the upside? You win the prize,
Speaker 1: you know. But the difference is your show. It's not scripted,
Speaker 1: but it's got guardrails. You're talking about food, you're not
Speaker 1: talking about politics, you're not talking about each other, you're
Speaker 1: not gossiping, so it's got some guardrails. But you could
Speaker 1: say something that could get you in trouble. Now you
Speaker 1: go deeper, and you've got some guardrails on chopped because
Speaker 1: you the guardrails are that there is a competition surrounding food.
Speaker 1: Now you go on the house was and you have
Speaker 1: no guardrails, so you're left and it's all risk because
Speaker 1: you're not an actress reading someone else's words. Everything you
Speaker 1: say could be a liability, and the cameras keep rolling.
Speaker 1: You're not stopping, the cameras keep going. You say something
Speaker 1: that could be perceived is racist or hateful or anything,
Speaker 1: and you could ruin your whole life.
Speaker 3: And you get a little sip of success and you
Speaker 3: think that's what life is going to be like for
Speaker 3: the rest of your life, and then it goes away,
Speaker 3: and then you left and then what he left with.
Speaker 3: And so sometimes I see these folks and like, you know,
Speaker 3: you know sometimes when when people were like the fourth
Speaker 3: runner up on season twelve of Top Chef or whatever
Speaker 3: it is, right, and then they they're like, where's my agent,
Speaker 3: where's my book deal? You know, where's my television series,
Speaker 3: where's my multi restaurant deal, where's all these things? And
Speaker 3: like and it just never really materializes because there wasn't
Speaker 3: really a lot of there there to begin with.
Speaker 1: But what if you're me and you have nothing going
Speaker 1: on and you have no money, and you have no
Speaker 1: family and no safety net, and you're in your late
Speaker 1: thirties and it's not that cute. You were about to
Speaker 1: go work actually for Bobby Flay. I went to masa
Speaker 1: Grill and was like, I need you to give me
Speaker 1: like some sort of an internship or however you start
Speaker 1: in a restaurant. But I ended up going on. I
Speaker 1: did the Apprentice, was the runner up, nothing to lose.
Speaker 1: Wanted the actual job for Arthur Stewart. Literally wanted the
Speaker 1: I think it was one hundred something thousand dollars, which
Speaker 1: was like ten million dollars to me, now, no exaggerate,
Speaker 1: like I had no money, wanted that job, and then
Speaker 1: wanted so badly to have your job. I wanted to
Speaker 1: be on the Food Network so badly, and Bob Tushman said,
Speaker 1: it's never going to happen. I met with everybody, all
Speaker 1: the Mistake, all the production companies I met. I think
Speaker 1: he got fired, and yeah, that woman Susie after him
Speaker 1: liked me, and there was a man, but Bob Tushman
Speaker 1: said it's and he called me. It was like, stop
Speaker 1: talking to all these people like the Gordon Elliot's and
Speaker 1: all these different people that I was talking to because
Speaker 1: I wanted to in. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I called everybody. I called.
Speaker 3: I.
Speaker 1: They all liked me, but Bob Tushman wouldn't let me through.
Speaker 1: So I wanted your job. And then the housewives comes
Speaker 1: and I said I had nothing to lose, not unlike you.
Speaker 2: I did not.
Speaker 1: I had only it didn't matter. I was living in
Speaker 1: a studio Iqia apartment, So that's why I did it.
Speaker 1: But I am the exception, not the rule.
Speaker 3: Some people come out of it. Some people there's always
Speaker 3: a success, and I'm worry about everybody. I'm swaying that way. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think the people who are successful are going to
Speaker 3: be successful one way or the other. Likewise, people who
Speaker 3: are you know, the cream always just rises to the top,
Speaker 3: like leaders just leave right. People who are going to
Speaker 3: be successful are going to find that root one way
Speaker 3: or the other to be successful. And sometimes there's a
Speaker 3: little a little fake it till you make it, till
Speaker 3: you get there. But when you make it, you made.
Speaker 1: It one hundred percent. And a lot of people are
Speaker 1: saying because of this reality reckoning. Without Bravo, I would
Speaker 1: be nowhere. I'm like that was seventeen years with I'd
Speaker 1: be nowhere. I would be sitting in the same place.
Speaker 1: Am I a key a studio apartment? With this brain
Speaker 1: inside my head? It's just like that's what housewives at
Speaker 1: home on keyboard say. So I'm like, yeah, it's okay,
Speaker 1: we can have better treatment for people. Sixteen years later.
Speaker 1: So it's like I always bring up Kim Kardashian sixteen
Speaker 1: years ago. That was her sex tape. We're still going
Speaker 1: to talk about, like as if that defines her. She's
Speaker 1: done a lot since then.
Speaker 3: I'm still though, I mean, she's just super successful. This
Speaker 3: is what I'm saying, Like so that I don't know
Speaker 3: if that was planted, right, I mean, do you think
Speaker 3: that was planted?
Speaker 1: Yes, it doesn't matter. What were you doing sixteen years ago?
Speaker 3: Sixteen years ago I was. I was, you know, on
Speaker 3: season you know, like year twenty of Food Network. You know,
Speaker 3: I've been doing this for twenty seven years. I just
Speaker 3: finished my seventeenth cookbook. You know, I'm a one trick pony.
Speaker 3: I've been I literally have been in kitchens working my
Speaker 3: entire life since I was thirteen years old. I started
Speaker 3: washing dishes and restaurants and this is my one jam.
Speaker 3: I mean, so like sixteen years ago, I was, I was,
Speaker 3: I mean, I was successful sixteen years ago, but like
Speaker 3: to do. But I think what I'm saying is like
Speaker 3: the preservation of your career, Like it's easy. I think
Speaker 3: today it's easy to blow up. It's easy to get there.
Speaker 3: There's not one chef that I know personally, socially or
Speaker 3: randomly that hasn't been on television for five minutes because
Speaker 3: it's so available, right, and there used to be like
Speaker 3: I think with like the Food networks up, there's probably
Speaker 3: maybe twenty five people on planet Earth that had my
Speaker 3: shared experience, right, which is a very small group of people, right,
Speaker 3: and then, but like television wide, it seems like a
Speaker 3: lot of chefs have had that opportunity to end up
Speaker 3: on television. And I just want success for everybody, right, Like,
Speaker 3: you get a chance to really kind of do that,
Speaker 3: but don't waste it, right, and don't think it's forever.
Speaker 1: And well, you brought something up because you just brought
Speaker 1: something up, So to bring up the Kardashians, like, forget
Speaker 1: that there are many people. You're one person. I'm one person.
Speaker 1: But when you've had a layered career and done so
Speaker 1: many different things, you can get dirty and make different mistakes.
Speaker 1: When you have a one hit wonder career where you
Speaker 1: just get fame really quickly and then something goes wrong,
Speaker 1: those are the people that really dissolve because they don't
Speaker 1: have all of those layers. Like I make mistakes all
Speaker 1: the time, but I no one's defining me on one
Speaker 1: thing that I say or have done. You've done cookbooks,
Speaker 1: You've done TV shows, You've done so many things. You've
Speaker 1: in many restaurants. Like you, you have so many layered
Speaker 1: fans and successes that life is a little more forgiving,
Speaker 1: almost like an old person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but if you look at your winning loss column,
Speaker 3: you still got a championship.
Speaker 2: Season, right, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: You're so championship season right. Like the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 3: Hall of Fameme, Hall of Fame, yeah, big time.
Speaker 2: So you're in the Hall of Fame of cooking, right?
Speaker 2: Is that of fact? I mean, is not a fact.
Speaker 2: You might not be.
Speaker 1: You might not be Michael Jordan, I might not be
Speaker 1: you know whoever, But like you're in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: You're in that on those walls.
Speaker 3: I'm on the wall of the Smithsonian Institute of American
Speaker 3: History in Washington, d C.
Speaker 2: Really boom.
Speaker 3: Why I'm not, I don't know if it's forever, but
Speaker 3: there was a there's a there was a The Julia
Speaker 3: Child's exhibit at the Smithsonian in Washington, d C. Has
Speaker 3: like a sidewall of of her predecessors, of people that
Speaker 3: came after her.
Speaker 1: And I'm on the wall, like, how did they define
Speaker 1: who came out?
Speaker 2: Everybody's coming after?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's obviously not everybody, because there's you know,
Speaker 3: there's a handful. I think, God, I saw it maybe.
Speaker 1: Meaning very successful did you go to the same school
Speaker 1: as her?
Speaker 2: Or just meaning successful.
Speaker 3: Chefs, successful chefs on television. That's amazing that kind of
Speaker 3: came after that.
Speaker 2: That's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: That's did you go and like you have it? You
Speaker 1: saw I took the picture. That's amazing. Wow, well the
Speaker 1: sea do you see that? The show is not just
Speaker 1: like trashing house was. It's kind of talking about life
Speaker 1: via that vehicle. That makes any sense. We could talk
Speaker 1: about croquetes for two hours too.
Speaker 3: We could talk about croquettes and so I I think,
Speaker 3: you know, having a daughter who I love with all
Speaker 3: my heart and having a wife who I love with
Speaker 3: all my heart. I think there's because my daughter deals
Speaker 3: with this and it's like the mean girl syndrome, right,
Speaker 3: and sometimes it's really heavy and so and to not
Speaker 3: getting kind of details. But like all, there always seems
Speaker 3: to be like an enemy. There always seems to be
Speaker 3: like somebody, there's a there's a protagonist in her life
Speaker 3: that that is causing her grief, like somebody's talking shit
Speaker 3: about somebody, right mm hmm. And I'm trying to figure
Speaker 3: out how do I be a good parent to her
Speaker 3: and teach her how to be friends and to be
Speaker 3: real friends and to have real friends and to not
Speaker 3: put up with toxic relationships in your life that just
Speaker 3: make you feel bad about yourself.
Speaker 1: Well, how old is she? I'll tell you because I
Speaker 1: think I actually think I'm good at that. Okay, so
Speaker 1: my daughter's thirteen, so I actually think, knock what, I've
Speaker 1: been very good at this. So my opinion on this,
Speaker 1: you're talking about something your daughter has to deal with.
Speaker 1: You're talking about a zero sum game and someone in
Speaker 1: that age, in a teenager's life of a girl, someone
Speaker 1: is always winning and someone is always losing. So this
Speaker 1: is now a situation where people are volunteering to go
Speaker 1: in and perpetuate that as adults when we're supposed to
Speaker 1: know better, and that's that's the problem. But to your daughters,
Speaker 1: I say to my daughter, do not get too close
Speaker 1: with anybody right now. You want to have good friends.
Speaker 1: And it's great first of all to put nothing ever
Speaker 1: in writing, and don't tell anyone all your secrets. You
Speaker 1: think that you can trust everybody, and I'm not telling
Speaker 1: you to not trust, because you will find people that
Speaker 1: you can trust, but by and large, you're going to
Speaker 1: be very disappointed. And I would not be overly trusting.
Speaker 1: And don't tell everyone. Everyone you like and everything you're thinking, like,
Speaker 1: keep it at fifty five miles an hour. I'm always
Speaker 1: like seventy five and sunny. Don't become best friends, don't
Speaker 1: become enemies. Don't go high highs and lows like on
Speaker 1: a stove, you're on medium.
Speaker 2: You've got to be on me. Be nice.
Speaker 1: My daughter's known is always smiling and being nice to everybody.
Speaker 1: She does not get hot and be and when she
Speaker 1: gets close to getting hot and I see her being
Speaker 1: be fed with someone and it's every day, I'm like, listen,
Speaker 1: if you go so hot, there's only one way for
Speaker 1: this to go so take it town on a little,
Speaker 1: mix it up, have other friends. It's the burner method,
Speaker 1: like have a lot of things on the burner, like
Speaker 1: a lot of different friends and relationships, and don't go
Speaker 1: too hot or too cold with anybody.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah. So she's got school friends and then
Speaker 3: those relationships kind of come and go sometimes like sometimes
Speaker 3: like they'll be you know, all smiles, and then sometimes
Speaker 3: they'll there'll be a situation where girls said something about somebody,
Speaker 3: something to somebody and and you know, feelings, people get
Speaker 3: their feelings hurt, and you know, uh, it ended up
Speaker 3: like I'll give an example because it's weird because it
Speaker 3: starts so early, and as a parent, I mean, I'll
Speaker 3: get to start.
Speaker 2: Very early, and it feels like the stuff we do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the mean girl stuff started in the third grade
Speaker 3: and then like Dorothy would come home, my daughter, she'd
Speaker 3: come home and she's like crying her eyes out and
Speaker 3: she was like, you know, uh, you know, this girl
Speaker 3: said something really mean about me and and you know,
Speaker 3: and she really hurt my feelings. And then she got
Speaker 3: another group of girls together and then they all started
Speaker 3: talking about me, and then you know, they started isolating
Speaker 3: me out. This other thing where you think is really
Speaker 3: talked of our kids today is the snap Chat map?
Speaker 1: Aren't because it's fomo, Because it's all fomo. You know
Speaker 1: where someone is in there together and then you're missing
Speaker 1: out and why are they not inviting me?
Speaker 2: You're talking about that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is so toxic because you see where other
Speaker 3: kids are exactly from like Dorothy, that is a tracking
Speaker 3: device on your phone, Like it's kind of cool to
Speaker 3: see where your friends are. But if you see them
Speaker 3: together with other people and you didn't get invited, and
Speaker 3: then you're going to start looking up on TikTok and
Speaker 3: you know, and.
Speaker 1: Then you said dancing together, the TikTok dances. You see
Speaker 1: them doing a dance together and why they together? And
Speaker 1: she said she couldn't have plans.
Speaker 2: You got it.
Speaker 1: But it all goes back to the slow and low.
Speaker 1: You have to kind of ath like you don't care.
Speaker 1: You have to have your own life. You have to
Speaker 1: have friends outside of school. And it's funny because I
Speaker 1: know someone with a child actually sixteen, and in these
Speaker 1: cases they kind of treat school like it's work, like
Speaker 1: they go there to get their work done. They stay
Speaker 1: on their own. They don't seem desperate. Like they're being
Speaker 1: left out and needy because kids pray on that.
Speaker 3: Kids again, you got to have thicker skins. Kids can
Speaker 3: have other friends and it's okay.
Speaker 1: And you have to act like you don't. The least
Speaker 1: interested party always wins you. You got to be that
Speaker 1: person that's treating like your own to work and you
Speaker 1: have other friends after. And you've got to not take
Speaker 1: the bait. It's very much like causeway. You cannot take
Speaker 1: the bait, and you just and you just can't take
Speaker 1: the bait. You cannot take the bait. You can't be
Speaker 1: too upset, you can't be too excited and thirsty. You
Speaker 1: got to stay medium. You got to stay slow and
Speaker 1: low the whole time. It's very hard, but you have
Speaker 1: to stay You've got to stay right in the middle.
Speaker 3: I think that's really good advice because I think a
Speaker 3: lot of times kids do take the bait, and I
Speaker 3: think it ends up with this, you know, this sort
Speaker 3: of backwards and then they'll counter react all of it,
Speaker 3: and then they'll have like, you know, I'm going to
Speaker 3: have a sleepover this weekend and I'm going to invite
Speaker 3: all those people and I'm not going to invite her.
Speaker 1: And then they're wrong. That's why medium, don't go hot,
Speaker 1: don't go cold. You got to you got to really
Speaker 1: explain to your kid that because you know from the kitchen,
Speaker 1: like keep it on medium, and it's not going to
Speaker 1: be that exciting, but it's not going to be the load.
Speaker 2: The loads are really bad at that age.
Speaker 1: That's why I want to keep everything, you know, And
Speaker 1: I help my daughter move the plates around with the
Speaker 1: different friends, like, okay, just make sure you're keeping you're
Speaker 1: making plans with a couple of people.
Speaker 2: Don't get you hot on that one. It really makes a.
Speaker 3: Difference, makes a huge difference. So she has she's in
Speaker 3: a competitive dance group and she's been dancing. That's another too, right, Well,
Speaker 3: and that's a whole other thing. Yeah, but I think
Speaker 3: having like two and specifically like plot this out with
Speaker 3: your child to have different groups of friends that she
Speaker 3: can bounce in and out of, so totally. So at
Speaker 3: the social scene at school is on ice for a
Speaker 3: little bit for whatever reason, She's got another group of
Speaker 3: friends that she can kind of jump into that she's
Speaker 3: still passionate about and can have a relationship with.
Speaker 1: Well that yes, and also you know, as adults, you
Speaker 1: get a nice car. You're going on a trip something
Speaker 1: other people want to hear about as a kid. It's
Speaker 1: not kids don't want to hear that you have a
Speaker 1: famous dad. You went to LA, you met a celebrity. Like,
Speaker 1: keep all that shit tight too, Like my daughter has
Speaker 1: me is a mom and she can meet anybody. We're
Speaker 1: going to a private concert with Adam Sandler next week.
Speaker 1: It's meet Justin Bieberd serenaded her. It's it's endless and
Speaker 1: she doesn't even care if she's not jaded, but like,
Speaker 1: keep that shit.
Speaker 2: She doesn't even keep that shit tight too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So don't be braggy at all because it'll backfire too.
Speaker 3: Oh, backfire. So like Dorothy went to go see Taylor
Speaker 3: Swift three times this past summer, right, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean? And those are like very special tickets and
Speaker 3: friends and friends of friends on right right right, like
Speaker 3: twice in Santa Clara went in LA and whatever. But anyway,
Speaker 3: so I remember back in the third grade when when
Speaker 3: she would come home and she was like upset that
Speaker 3: like this girl had said something. And then she got
Speaker 3: you know, the other group of friends together and they
Speaker 3: started talking about me. I'm like, this is kind of crazy.
Speaker 3: I'm like, Dorothy, what happened like ten steps before that? Right?
Speaker 3: So you tell me about the explosion?
Speaker 2: Oh fair?
Speaker 1: And she definitely is culpable a little bit something. She
Speaker 1: can't be perfect, right, this.
Speaker 3: Is what I'm saying. So all of a sudden, it's
Speaker 3: like it's like, you know, okay, you know it ended
Speaker 3: up with some girl calling another girl fat, right, which
Speaker 3: is horrifying. And then but if you go back like
Speaker 3: ten steps, there's this thing where I feel like, if
Speaker 3: somebody has the sunshine and a group conversation that another
Speaker 3: girl feels like they have to steal the sunshine, yecause
Speaker 3: you can't let that girl have the sunshine. So this
Speaker 3: is so I'm talking about like third graders here, right. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I went to lunch right because it seems like all
Speaker 3: that it was all going down at lunchtime and then
Speaker 3: on the playground. So I would sit down for lunch
Speaker 3: and I would listen to the girls start talking about this,
Speaker 3: and what you're talking about, bragging was part of it, right,
Speaker 3: So one girl. Because these girls don't know each other,
Speaker 3: and they only know each other by proximity because their
Speaker 3: parents live in the same community. Other than that, they
Speaker 3: wouldn't necessarily know each other, know each other, or would
Speaker 3: they even be friends. So they're friends by proxy. They
Speaker 3: go to school together, so they're just saying, yeah, they're
Speaker 3: in the same tribe, but they're not friends friends right,
Speaker 3: So one hundred and eighty days a year they to
Speaker 3: the same country club, they got exactly they got to
Speaker 3: make small talk for one hundred in eighty days a year. Yep,
Speaker 3: they got to they got to chit chat with each other, right,
Speaker 3: And so I would I sat down, sat down for lunch,
Speaker 3: and then I would listen to her friends start talking
Speaker 3: to each other. And then one would say, we're going
Speaker 3: to Tahoe, We're going skiing this weekend, right, just to
Speaker 3: talk about something. And another girl would say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: well we're going to Veil one up right, one up right,
Speaker 3: And then the girl it's like like, oh, you've never
Speaker 3: been to Veil, or we're going to Veil right, And
Speaker 3: then then they would challenge each other on who is
Speaker 3: the real snowboarder or who.
Speaker 1: But you're saying what I just said fifty five miles
Speaker 1: an hour, keep it in the middle, just just don't look,
Speaker 1: you don't have to engage, just like that's so nice,
Speaker 1: amazing be positive about them. Don't tell anyone, don't show
Speaker 1: anyone in your cards.
Speaker 3: But nobody teaches these kids how to listen and how
Speaker 3: to be friends, right, nobody. You do well because I
Speaker 3: had to identify the situation first and foremost. I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm like Dorothy. Like. So, if somebody says to you, hey,
Speaker 3: we're going skiing in Tahoe this weekend, your next response is, all,
Speaker 3: that sounds amazing.
Speaker 2: It's wonderful.
Speaker 3: That's wonderful. When you guys leaving, all that's great. Do
Speaker 3: you ski or do you snowboard? Oh? You snowboard. I've
Speaker 3: still bored a couple of times. I don't that great
Speaker 3: at it, but but that sounds I'm really happy for you.
Speaker 3: That sounds amazing. And give them the sunshine, give them
Speaker 3: the full sunshine. I never said, because they'll give it
Speaker 3: back to you when it's your turn. But if you
Speaker 3: steal it, they're just gonna steal it back. I like that,
Speaker 3: and then it's the same.
Speaker 1: But the thing is, then I made a glass and
Speaker 1: we don't want we know how. I know how painful
Speaker 1: it was. I know what sixth grade was, I know
Speaker 1: what being ganged up was. I lived through it. It's
Speaker 1: part of who I am. It's why I'm successful, It's
Speaker 1: why you who you are. Like they're gonna have to
Speaker 1: get dirty and get dinged up. It's a brand new
Speaker 1: car and it's gonna have to get some scratches.
Speaker 3: I totally understand that. And and and it's the reason
Speaker 3: I pulled my kids out of private school and put
Speaker 3: them in public school for high school because you know,
Speaker 3: going to a school with like thirty six kids in
Speaker 3: your whole grade, thirty six your whole grade, it's not Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's not real life. Like you're going to bump into
Speaker 3: different people that are gonna have like different opinions, and
Speaker 3: they look different. And some kids are cool and some
Speaker 3: kids are rich, and some kids are you know whatever,
Speaker 3: and and you're just you're gonna have like, you know,
Speaker 3: it's like New York, right, Like people just live peacefully
Speaker 3: together because they're just you know, eight million people pile
Speaker 3: up in one one big island. So but my my
Speaker 3: uh takeaway from that as a parent was, you know,
Speaker 3: the ability trying to teach your children, the ability to
Speaker 3: listen and and to not feel like you whatever you're
Speaker 3: thinking off the top of your head, just file it away.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, right, Not everything needs to
Speaker 2: be said.
Speaker 3: I don't need to jump into this conversation and tell
Speaker 3: you exactly what I think about or what's reminding me
Speaker 3: of what you're saying that I have a similar experience.
Speaker 3: Just let somebody have the floor. Let them have the floor.
Speaker 2: Well, that's how acting.
Speaker 1: If you're in your own head, think about your next line,
Speaker 1: you should just be in their thing.
Speaker 2: And you don't have to pull out your every hand.
Speaker 2: You're right, you don't, ye.
Speaker 3: So, so if you give someone and so that was
Speaker 3: my life lesson because I with her and I think
Speaker 3: it's it's it's a valuable life lesson for anybody who
Speaker 3: wants to be successful is you have to be a
Speaker 3: really really good listener and you have to give other
Speaker 3: people the floor because they will have so much respect
Speaker 3: for you because you are reading as their friend because
Speaker 3: you're listening, which is such a valuable uh skill to
Speaker 3: own such of that from a leadership standpoint, learn to
Speaker 3: listen and be present and be supportive of somebody else's
Speaker 3: life and not feel like everything because it's like this
Speaker 3: narcissistic thing like you have to kind of butt in
Speaker 3: and tell everybody about what your version of what their
Speaker 3: story is, to derail it, to take them off track,
Speaker 3: to put the sunshine on you. And and it's such
Speaker 3: a it's such a shallow way to have a communicator,
Speaker 3: have a conversation with somebody. It's so true, so shallow.
Speaker 3: Listen to somebody else and give them the floor. I
Speaker 3: don't need to jump in. I don't need to tell
Speaker 3: you like what I do or or where I ski
Speaker 3: whatever it is, it's irrelevant. You're telling me about your
Speaker 3: story of you guys going to ta who's going skiing
Speaker 3: for the weekend. And I'm so pumped for you.
Speaker 1: You'll have your moment. That's such a true that's a
Speaker 1: great You'll have your moment. That's a great note. It's
Speaker 1: a great note. And it's been so's it's it's funny
Speaker 1: to think about this environment and this show, and I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about you and like other chefs, and where the
Speaker 1: line is. There was the last thing I'll say. There
Speaker 1: was a show Watch What Happens Live, and there was
Speaker 1: a woman sitting down, this woman Heather, and I guess
Speaker 1: she sold her house for like one hundred and something
Speaker 1: million dollars. And so they have this character so Andy
Speaker 1: doesn't have to ask the question. It's like the shady whale.
Speaker 1: I think it's called like a shady whale. And the
Speaker 1: question that the shady whale asked her was who on
Speaker 1: your show?
Speaker 3: Who?
Speaker 1: Who's house on your show would sell for the least money.
Speaker 1: So this person is tasked on a show that she's
Speaker 1: there to promote whatever she's doing. So you're promoting your
Speaker 1: cookbook on the show whatever, and your tasked with asking
Speaker 1: a question effectively, who's the poorest housewife in the group?
Speaker 1: And the woman who she said that? She said, and
Speaker 1: the host Andy said who he thought it would be
Speaker 1: the poorest housewife. And then that housewife who wasn't even
Speaker 1: on the show, sent in a video saying there are
Speaker 1: six women, only four own their homes. I am one
Speaker 1: of that for and I'm also twenty years younger. But
Speaker 1: she felt like she had had to explain herself for
Speaker 1: being what is perceived to be, I guess the poorest
Speaker 1: person on that show. Can you imagine if at your
Speaker 1: school someone said Jane has the poorest house of anybody
Speaker 1: at school, Like the kid will be expelled, but you
Speaker 1: would want the kids If someone said to your child,
Speaker 1: you have the dirtiest house the ugliest test you would
Speaker 1: call the principle and be like, I want you expect.
Speaker 1: So this is what we have women doing, grown women
Speaker 1: that are in their fifties saying that someone else has
Speaker 1: a poor house, Like what is going on?
Speaker 3: So I always think that the best gift you can
Speaker 3: give your children is to be their inner voice. You
Speaker 3: want to be their inner voice when they're having these
Speaker 3: existential conversations about do I take a left turn or
Speaker 3: take a right turn? You want to be the voice
Speaker 3: that pops up in their head, that gives them, gives
Speaker 3: them good advice. And this is my thing exactly. So
Speaker 3: there is a pathway for women to have very deep,
Speaker 3: meaningful friendships. And my wife has them all the time.
Speaker 3: She has her friend circle are so deep, her ride
Speaker 3: or guy friends are so deep. And then she instills
Speaker 3: in our order those same principles on how to be
Speaker 3: a good friend, which I think will carry you for
Speaker 3: the rest of your life. And I think that's a really,
Speaker 3: really great suit. I think Real Housewives, And again I'm
Speaker 3: saying this from a dude's point of view because I
Speaker 3: don't know watch the show, and I don't only I don't
Speaker 3: really watch, I mean, I don't really watch Food Network.
Speaker 3: I mean still like I watch a lot of television
Speaker 3: because I work at restaurants at night, right, But but
Speaker 3: I think watching this stuff, my takeaway is like I
Speaker 3: would never want my daughter to talk to somebody else
Speaker 3: like that because she's not going to win, right, She's
Speaker 3: not gonna win like this sort of shit talk back
Speaker 3: and forth game. It kind of goes on with with
Speaker 3: like that. It's just because it might feel like salacious
Speaker 3: in the moment. It might feel like such like juicy
Speaker 3: gossip suit, like tell me spill the tea, right right,
Speaker 3: This like toxic thing that kind of goes back and forth,
Speaker 3: and then you can get caught into it too, right,
Speaker 3: Like if you're like talking shit about somebody and you
Speaker 3: think it's like a private line and you think you're
Speaker 3: you know, you're in safe space, and then that message
Speaker 3: gets back to that person and then they're going to
Speaker 3: fill it back to you.
Speaker 2: That's what the show is.
Speaker 3: And I was good at it.
Speaker 2: That's sad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've evolved. I'm trying to better myself. So yes,
Speaker 1: I think I'm a good example for my daughter like
Speaker 1: you are for yours. And I think that's that's why
Speaker 1: I do enjoy doing the show and talking to people
Speaker 1: like you who haven't haven't watched, because I feel like
Speaker 1: watching these situations can be paid forward into good lessons
Speaker 1: for our kids.
Speaker 2: So you were amazing.
Speaker 1: It's funny because you came on and we were like
Speaker 1: not even talking about the show, and we ended up
Speaker 1: really crystallizing the show. So I really I love talking
Speaker 1: to you, and I really appreciate you doing this with me.
Speaker 3: I so appreciate you having me. I'm a big fan,
Speaker 3: been a big fan.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: And I think you are such a wonderful role model
Speaker 3: on how to be independently successful and not take no
Speaker 3: for an answer and drive your own ship and when
Speaker 3: and I think you from a businesswoman's point of view,
Speaker 3: are one of the most interesting stories in the last
Speaker 3: like twenty thirty years.
Speaker 2: Well, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Who's done what you've done? I mean, like and you know,
Speaker 3: being like blue collar. I grew up blue collar, I
Speaker 3: had nothing like nobody ever gave me a thing. I
Speaker 3: paid everything I've ever had, I've either earned or paid
Speaker 3: for it myself. And so my success is so valuable
Speaker 3: to me and so frow yes, and I never forget it.
Speaker 3: And today my goal is to work harder at fifty
Speaker 3: two years of age, as successful as I am. I'm
Speaker 3: working harder today than I worked yesterday, right, because I'm
Speaker 3: not done. Wow, I'm not done yet. Right, I'm not
Speaker 3: done yet. And I don't think you're done yet.
Speaker 1: No, I'm not done. It's just different. You're doing things differently,
Speaker 1: working smarter. It's harder, but it's more in my mind,
Speaker 1: and it's more in strategy, and it's more in chess
Speaker 1: than it is in physical labor. Like my mind it
Speaker 1: always has been always going, but it's really it's sort
Speaker 1: of like you're now really fine tuning it. You get
Speaker 1: the you know, you're really molding it, you know, like
Speaker 1: whatever it is in cooking, Like now the sauce is
Speaker 1: getting deep and rich and like you know, reducing and
Speaker 1: it's got depth of flavor versus just like you know,
Speaker 1: adding salt and it's going to taste good, Like it's
Speaker 1: getting deeper. So I like that at this age it's
Speaker 1: a good age for a career because you're kind of
Speaker 1: really quality not quantity with it.
Speaker 3: Do you love your fifties. I love my fifties.
Speaker 2: I love my fifties.
Speaker 1: I mean part of it is like thinking about health
Speaker 1: things that are different, and it's more boring in certain ways,
Speaker 1: Like some parts of it's are boring because like used
Speaker 1: to go out and dance and get wasted. Like it's
Speaker 1: not the same in that way, but it does. It's deeper.
Speaker 2: It's what I was just saying.
Speaker 1: I try to go to and I'm with Paul, my fiance,
Speaker 1: I go to bed at like ten. When I'm by myself,
Speaker 1: I go at like eleven thirty. Yeah, I'm like, he's
Speaker 1: a better influence.
Speaker 3: Like I'm dead.
Speaker 2: I just can't write. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So you know what's exciting now is like a good
Speaker 1: night's sleep is the most exciting thing in the world.
Speaker 1: Like your coffee, like your ice coffee hitting perfectly, Like every.
Speaker 2: Day it's a new adventure.
Speaker 1: Like some days you just do the poor differently and
Speaker 1: some days it's it's just not so when it hits like,
Speaker 1: these are the big wins. So you know, good night's
Speaker 1: sleep and and my sleep track are telling me that
Speaker 1: I got seven and a half.
Speaker 2: I'll talk about that all day. That's like a big win.
Speaker 3: That's great.
Speaker 1: Well, let's get together at some point. But it's so
Speaker 1: good talking to you, all right.
Speaker 2: You bring some steak.
Speaker 1: Okay, bring the toaster and the air fry and some croquettes.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'll bring some air fry.
Speaker 1: We need to air fry something Anon between now and
Speaker 1: then do some R and D. I mean, what the fuck,
Speaker 1: just to get a bagel, get some get some dumplings,
Speaker 1: and air for I'm gonna get you the best ship
Speaker 1: to air fry. Just try it right, You're not that busy.