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Speaker 1: up on when the group discusses her current life decisions

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Speaker 1: My Body, My Choice.

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Speaker 2: Chef.

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Speaker 1: Television and podcast host Tyler Florence joins me to break

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Speaker 1: down the episode. This is Real Housewives of New York

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Speaker 1: Season nine, episode thirteen, a Bronx tale. Let's get into it.

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Speaker 2: Good to see you. It's been a while.

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Speaker 3: It's been a while. It's been a while. I don't

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Speaker 2: Was it Sundance? Was it chef Dance?

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Speaker 3: Chef Dance, That's exactly where you met. That's exactly where

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Speaker 3: we met. It was and I don't remember what year

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Speaker 3: thousand and seven, something like that. We were the group

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Speaker 3: they were hosting it before you hosted it.

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Speaker 1: Oh that first year that I went, oh, yeah, okay, great.

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Speaker 1: I remember I was a guest. I was like someone's

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Speaker 1: Because that was an amazing you do.

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Speaker 3: Well, I didn't start it starting. I hosted the second year.

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Speaker 2: I was always enamored by it.

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Speaker 3: Those events are fine, yeah, but.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's it's really wow.

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Speaker 1: So I was you are like a rock star, but

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Speaker 2: So the Sugarman, Yeah, you call her the sugar Man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So what are you up to, like what's going

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Speaker 3: Kinds of great stuff. Well, first of all, thank you

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Speaker 3: Here with your audience. Because I'm not like a huge

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think you end up. I think all

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Speaker 2: I think an ass wipe?

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Speaker 3: I think shut your mouth, clip clip I've never heard that.

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Speaker 3: Have you ever heard that before? Is that a face

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Speaker 1: Never since then, never in my life either. That's the

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So Sony was on Worst Cooks in America too,

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Speaker 3: And you could how about twenty pounds of lamb chops? Right?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's just it's like it's too big of a

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Speaker 1: is flash air frying almost And people also do it

435
00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,320
Speaker 1: with dumplings. People are obsessed with like soup dumplings or

436
00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:49,200
Speaker 1: dumplings in the air fryer, like and it's different than frying,

437
00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,600
Speaker 1: than pan frying, than roasting. It is it's its own animal.

438
00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,080
Speaker 1: So you should screw around with air fryer. And there

439
00:19:56,080 --> 00:20:00,399
Speaker 1: are toasters that have the air fry option, and I

440
00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,800
Speaker 1: still don't understand, Like there's the one the air fires

441
00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:04,200
Speaker 1: that have the handle that you pull out and you

442
00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,159
Speaker 1: put this stuff in there, and you could put this

443
00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,680
Speaker 1: like airfier paper in there, which I'm always fascinated by,

444
00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,040
Speaker 1: Like you don't have to just use the foil there's

445
00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,119
Speaker 1: like this paper sheets that you put under your stuff,

446
00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,800
Speaker 1: and then there's the air fryer like revel like oven,

447
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,919
Speaker 1: and I'm always mesmerized by like what the difference is.

448
00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,000
Speaker 3: Well, you know, the first of all, you can do

449
00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:25,280
Speaker 3: the same thing technically with a convection option on the

450
00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,040
Speaker 3: oven exactly, right, So that's kind of the same thing.

451
00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:29,879
Speaker 2: So the difference is kind of is it really the

452
00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:31,399
Speaker 2: same crisp though.

453
00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,359
Speaker 3: It's a little more concentrated. It's a difference between having

454
00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,119
Speaker 3: like a fan in the back of your oven and

455
00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,040
Speaker 3: having a hair dryer on something. Right, It's like that.

456
00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,400
Speaker 1: It's so yes, I get it exactly because I thought

457
00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,719
Speaker 1: exactly because it sounds like a convection of it has

458
00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:47,800
Speaker 1: got that noise.

459
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:52,240
Speaker 3: Right because it's it's literally blowing and circulating super hot air,

460
00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:54,679
Speaker 3: which is just going to like give you more of

461
00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,240
Speaker 3: a rounded sort of crisp crisp texture and around, you know,

462
00:20:58,320 --> 00:20:59,119
Speaker 3: more even color.

463
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,880
Speaker 1: It's like a on our steam. It's like everywhere. Yeah,

464
00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,359
Speaker 1: I agree with you. And they make I don't know

465
00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 1: why this is so funny. We're talking about the rewives.

466
00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,120
Speaker 1: We're not talking about it at all. They make this

467
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,960
Speaker 1: one machine that I have that is gigantic, almost like

468
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,879
Speaker 1: a massive look cruse pan and you can put a

469
00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:17,000
Speaker 1: whole chicken in it and you see like the air

470
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,159
Speaker 1: it's like and it's two air fried chicken, but like

471
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:19,959
Speaker 1: you could see the whole thing.

472
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 2: It's not like those handle ones.

473
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:23,960
Speaker 3: You could do the whole chicken, the whole chicken, bones,

474
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:24,800
Speaker 3: the whole.

475
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,399
Speaker 2: Everything, and air fried chicken.

476
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,720
Speaker 1: So then you're getting like a fry, you know, deep

477
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:30,880
Speaker 1: fried chicken, but no, not the calories and the fat.

478
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 1: So that's something that's and it's good and it's fast.

479
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 3: Son was on Worst Cooks in America. Okay, so she

480
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:38,919
Speaker 3: her whole thing was she spoke to the producers and

481
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,880
Speaker 3: she was launching some like toaster oven line, right, and yeah,

482
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 3: you could. You could do a lot of stuff on

483
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,680
Speaker 3: a toaster, right. I don't think you can cook twenty

484
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 3: pounds of lamb chops, no, yeah, but she could.

485
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,040
Speaker 1: But you could take a you could take two lamb

486
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:57,840
Speaker 1: chops with some olive oil, rosemary, garlic and lemon, and yeah, yeah,

487
00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 1: I think I think it's something you should think about.

488
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 1: But she never made the toaster oven because like most housewives,

489
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:09,360
Speaker 1: they need a storyline and it's usually fake yeah, so Sonia,

490
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,640
Speaker 1: you know, the toaster oven never came to fruition. Someone

491
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,119
Speaker 1: might have talked to her about it. She had an

492
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 1: idea she'd put it on the show, but it never.

493
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:18,359
Speaker 1: There was never any toaster of And she even had

494
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,639
Speaker 1: a box that had a logo and her picture on

495
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,200
Speaker 1: it and did a photo shoot, but there was never

496
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 1: an oven.

497
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 3: It never. It never happens. No, Yeah, because I don't

498
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 3: know if she was like the best like spokesperson for

499
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 3: the technology. Yeah, yeah, worst cloks in America as like

500
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 3: an infomercial for like my greatest toaster oven. Ever, I

501
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,160
Speaker 3: don't think that was a very slick demo.

502
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 1: Well she was, Yeah, Well, the thing about Sonia, she's

503
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,400
Speaker 1: very sweet and she gets away with these like sort

504
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 1: of ethel antics. And in this scene it seems like

505
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 1: she's she's drinking and she's on the loop and so

506
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 1: this is that's like a producer's dream that scene because

507
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 1: it's just it's dramatic, but they don't kill the party

508
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,399
Speaker 1: with the drama, meaning it's still funny with the clip

509
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 1: and the safari and you know, my point, my place

510
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 1: in the show is like just like the sort of

511
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 1: the running commentary. So then they get into a scene

512
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 1: where Luanne is sitting down with Ramona, And what always

513
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: happens in the Housewives is in one scene, there's one group,

514
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 1: and then they're talking about someone that's in another scene.

515
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 1: So Ramona, in an another scene, has said a bunch

516
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: of negative things to me and about me and reference

517
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 1: my daughter. And she just always makes a mistake and

518
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,640
Speaker 1: then wants to just cover it up with an apology.

519
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 1: So it's like you make a bad dish, but you

520
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 1: just want to cover it in ketchup in butter and

521
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 1: salt and try to fix it.

522
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 2: So that's Ramona.

523
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 1: And now Ramona sits down with Luanne and Sonya, and

524
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 1: Luanne has just gotten married to this guy Tom that

525
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: she is now divorced from because he cheated on her,

526
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 1: and Sonya has slept with Tom, she used to date him,

527
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 1: so and Ramona has dated him also but hasn't slept

528
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,880
Speaker 1: with him. So that's why Luanne and Sonia get into

529
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:08,120
Speaker 1: that argument because Sonia fires a shot basically saying referencing

530
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,120
Speaker 1: that she's slep with Tom, and that's why Lang gets

531
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 1: upset cause she thinks that's the line. She's just gotten married,

532
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 1: you may have sucked my husband but now is not

533
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,439
Speaker 1: the time you bring it up because we're now married.

534
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: So what do you what's your take on that?

535
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 3: This is between my wife and my daughter. This is

536
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 3: kind of like the dialogue that I listened to every

537
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 3: day of the house your daughter. Not the details, not

538
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 3: the details, right, But I just like this, that person

539
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 3: did this, and this person did that, and like they

540
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 3: did this, and I'm like, I'm like, real interesting. I

541
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 3: don't know, it's like you know, I don't know to

542
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 3: be honest, but like, what's my take on that? Like,

543
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 3: because I remember, are you sort of sort of flashed

544
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 3: foring up to the house and in Vermont? Now we're

545
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 3: gonna get.

546
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 1: We're getting there, we're talking about it now, that's we're

547
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: getting there. We're at the we're at the lunch.

548
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 3: Where we're still at the lunch.

549
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: Ramona doesn't know she's getting invited because it's my trip. Aka,

550
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: it's my trip because there's no it says Bethany's Lodge

551
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 1: and Vermont Trust and believe I didn't pay for that snowboard.

552
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 2: You do too, I know that, Yes, I know that

553
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 2: from Sundance. I know I've seen you.

554
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't pay for the trip, like we don't

555
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: pay for the trips. So when it says Bethany's trip,

556
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 1: it's not my trip, and that's a whole other scam.

557
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: Like it always makes it like someone rented a yacht.

558
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: It's it's productions tripe. Yeah right, but it's so it's

559
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 1: my but it's my trip, your trip, and I get

560
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: to control who's coming. So I have control over this

561
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: trip and also the Mexico trip I'm inviting them on.

562
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: So that's why everyone's gonna hate me soon because now

563
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: I'm controlling two trips.

564
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

565
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, So anyway, so that's that lie I'm saying the

566
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 1: take on. Yeah, so if someone slept with your spouse

567
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: and you've just gotten married, there's got to be a

568
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: moratorium on discussing that.

569
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that just is that dinner conversation is

570
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,919
Speaker 3: especially like you know, I don't know, it seems like,

571
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 3: you know, you they kind of come to the opportunity

572
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 3: with the cameras lit, with like kerosing in their pocket,

573
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 3: just ready to throw it whenever they've got a good

574
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 3: camera angle on them, right, And so that to me

575
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,479
Speaker 3: is like when I'm watching this thing and I'm like, okay,

576
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 3: she's dropping that right now, and then if and so

577
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 3: like in the real life situation, would you ever bring

578
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 3: up even if you knew somebody was doing something like that,

579
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 3: would you ever in a million years bring it up

580
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 3: in public if it was any of your business.

581
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: I'm glad you asked, because that brings up a conversation

582
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: going on overall in society about reality television. And it

583
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 1: used to be real. It used to be more real,

584
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 1: like it used to be Fly on the Wall, and

585
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:46,360
Speaker 1: now it's.

586
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 3: Heavily Real World season one, yeah right.

587
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: And even Housewives season one, And now it's happening for years,

588
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 1: and it's evolved because a couple things are happening. Someone,

589
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: I'm bringing it back to you. Someone's taste buds are shot.

590
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 1: They've tasted every hot pepper, so now you really have

591
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 1: to burn them for them to feel it. Because for years,

592
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 1: it used to be that a girl said to me

593
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: at a restaurant that she was up here and I

594
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: was down here, and that was a massive scene.

595
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 2: It like shook everyone.

596
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:19,199
Speaker 1: That would be nothing today because today people slip at

597
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,479
Speaker 1: each other's husbands, toss their prosthetic legs on dance floors,

598
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: flip tables like the bar keeps getting raised, and reality

599
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: what or lowered right, and reality TV means use your

600
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 1: you know how you tell your kid, like use your

601
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,719
Speaker 1: use your inside voice, like it's telling adults, use your

602
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: whole inside voice. It's like, don't hold anything back and

603
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: don't edit yourself. And that's the thing. If you didn't

604
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: edit anything you thought and always said it to everyone

605
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: around you, no matter who was next to you, If

606
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: you said to your mom, to your sister, so you

607
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: just said anything that comes into your mind out loud

608
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: and there were cameras.

609
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 3: On friends, would have no job. You know, like some

610
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 3: things I think about are really funny but really inappropriate,

611
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 3: and some things I think to myself like okay, I

612
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 3: would just never like I'm sort of quietly shocked, but

613
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 3: I would never bring it up. Or some things you

614
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 3: notice or you may have some inside intel on someone's

615
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 3: private life that is none of your business, right and

616
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 3: not your story and not your headline.

617
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 1: So that's what reality TV is. Mention it all every

618
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: single thing. You were saying it to your wife, you're

619
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: saying it to your daughter, you're saying it in front

620
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,239
Speaker 1: of people at your country club. Because if I go

621
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: to pick up her drop off and there's a mom

622
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: next to me, and she's wearing an unattractive shirt. You

623
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: can trust and believe I'm not going to say that.

624
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: On the Houseise you'd be like, what the hell you

625
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: think you're wearing that shirt?

626
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 3: If it feels like you're kind of like, you know,

627
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 3: busting beans with somebody you know at a further friend,

628
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I think sometimes you can

629
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 3: kind of get away with that kind of conversation. So

630
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 3: I don't know, like, listen, it's very entertaining, it's super entertaining.

631
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 3: I was sucked in, Like I'm not a big like

632
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 3: real Housewise watcher, but I was like watching this episode

633
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 3: and I really started to kind of get into the conversation,

634
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 3: following along with with what they were talking about from

635
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 3: a dude's point of view, trying to kind of keep

636
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 3: up with all of it. And and so to me,

637
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 3: like watching this, I I feel like I got a

638
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 3: little kind of insight on on thet I don't want

639
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 3: to phrase this, like how how like the guys don't

640
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 3: speak to each other.

641
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 2: That way, right the psyche?

642
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like the only close thing to Housewives that

643
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: guys do in public would be like barstool sports. Yeah,

644
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: Like that's that's the closest example of just like unfiltered,

645
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: un edited for profit content.

646
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 3: You know that could could be kind of funny. Sometimes

647
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 3: they'll mean, you know, yeah for sure.

648
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, So a couple of inside little easter eggs.

649
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: Like this guy at that Italian restaurant says to Carol

650
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: that she looks Malania Trump. She's like hates and despises Trump.

651
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: She's fully for Hillary Tinsley, who is like a little

652
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: Vallery in a box, which Dorinda said. I don't want

653
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: to give away too much, but she has pretty much

654
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: walked away from reality television. She's found happiness in her

655
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: personal life. So I want to give a.

656
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 2: Shout out to her and.

657
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: Luanne and Tom, the man who had just gotten married

658
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: have been long divorced. Now that's what's so crazy about

659
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: how the tide turns on the show. Okay, so now

660
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: we are getting to Vermont, and I'll also say something

661
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: to you. What I noticed on this episode is like

662
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: everybody looks normal, Like people don't look like aliens over

663
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: glammed over chanel. Like if you see the Real Housewives

664
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: of Beverly Hills, your wife would know. It looks like

665
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: everybody is beyond like on stage, and I feel like,

666
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: what I like about this New York group is that

667
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: everybody looks normal. We don't have makeup on. We're kind

668
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: of just looking like what we look like in our homes.

669
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: And I like that in a show that's like the

670
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: last bit of reality that was in Reality TV.

671
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so it looks like because my wife goes

672
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 3: on girlfriend trips like that all the time. She's going

673
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 3: to Portland next weekend. Yeah, a couple of girls just

674
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 3: to go for the weekend. She does that kind of

675
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 3: stuff all the time. And then it's like this really

676
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 3: good kind of friend pile up where they've got reservations

677
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,479
Speaker 3: and a couple of fun restaurants and they're just going

678
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 3: to go and kind of connect with each other. And

679
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 3: I really applaud that. Right, So my wife has got

680
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 3: a handful of friends, and sometimes she gets lost in

681
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 3: our kid kids worlds, right, and she is their biggest

682
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 3: champion and their number one supporter and with them, you know,

683
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 3: seemingly twenty four hours a day, and I really have

684
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 3: to like push her to go do things like this.

685
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 3: I'm like, Babe, she's got like really good friends that,

686
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 3: you know, because we're both in our fifties. Now I'm

687
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 3: fifty two.

688
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 2: She's just turned to, Oh, I'm fifty two. When's your birthday?

689
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 3: March third?

690
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm November four, I'm fifty two. Also, So and

691
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:58,719
Speaker 2: you have two kids.

692
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 3: I have we have three, my old oh, and we

693
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 3: have two teenagers. We have a sixteen year old son

694
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 3: and a fifteen year old daughter. And so my wife

695
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 3: is just like in their life as you know, the

696
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 3: person who runs the house, right, and she does an

697
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,239
Speaker 3: amazing job of that kind of stuff. And then this

698
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 3: thing will kind of pop up where it's like, well,

699
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 3: our friends are you know, my girl, my other two

700
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 3: friends are going to London for the weekend, and I

701
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 3: really want to go. I'm like, honey, you are an

702
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 3: adult and you do not have to ask my opinion

703
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 3: or my permission if you want to go to like,

704
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 3: just go to London for the weekend. And she went

705
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 3: and she had the best time. And then Portland's coming

706
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,479
Speaker 3: up this weekend and she wants to go, and then

707
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 3: these other big trips that come up. I'm like, you

708
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 3: should just like do yourself a favor. Water the gardens

709
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 3: as like a friend group, live your life.

710
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: And she's an unpaid intern like me, I'm an unpaid intern.

711
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: She's doing everything for the kids and like you need that.

712
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: I think that's great. And also she's living her own life.

713
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: You are living your life like you can't live her

714
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: life for her, and vice versa. So I think it's great.

715
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: And these girls trips, it's funny. On the house, I

716
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: didn't really love them because they're obviously work. But some

717
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: women I know Needy Leeks, who's on Atlanta Ramona. Some

718
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: women did really like these trips because it was getting

719
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: away from their homes. Because they're very good housewives in

720
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,239
Speaker 1: that it doesn't matter if it's dramatic for them. They

721
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: can still have fun on the trip where I can

722
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: still have some fun, but it's work fun. I don't

723
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: I want to be on a vacation and I don't

724
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: want to have to do anything. I don't want to

725
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: have to put a microphone on it. I don't want

726
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: to have This is work to me.

727
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 3: You guys know each other off camera, you.

728
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: Don't really know each other when you enter the show.

729
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: Some of the women pretend they've been friends for fifteen

730
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: years because they've known each other in a circle in

731
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: the way that you might know another chef for fifteen years,

732
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: but you don't really know them and you're not like

733
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: best friends at them. When you're working, everything you're talking

734
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: about is effectively the show. It doesn't seem like it,

735
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: and it doesn't feel like it. But even if you

736
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: think you're best friends with someone because you've nurtured the

737
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: relationship on the show, it's really all you're really talking about.

738
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: And then people one person leaves the show and comes

739
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: awkward between the two of them, or both leave, and

740
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: then it becomes further, a bigger distance. It's just very

741
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: hard to sustain interpersonal relationships in this environment because someone's

742
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: always winning and someone's always losing, and everything has to

743
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: be brought up.

744
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 3: And did you gravitate towards anybody in particular? Like what

745
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 3: cast member are you still friends with?

746
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: So I was very close with Carol, the one who

747
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 1: was wearing the safari outfit, and I wanted to compliment

748
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: her in this episode because she was humorous and I

749
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: remember really really liking her. And I don't think it's

750
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: I don't think it's possible to sustain really good relationships

751
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: within this environment. And we did meet and become friends

752
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: during this experience, but we also broke up during this experience,

753
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: and I've had my friends since high school. Like, it's

754
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: just not an environment that fosters relationships. And Dirinda, I

755
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 1: really really like. I enjoyed Drenda, and we've been close.

756
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: We're not as close as we used to be, but

757
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: I respect her. I'll text her.

758
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 3: She was on our podcast, by the way. I mean

759
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 3: she she loves a grandkid, she loves cooking.

760
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 2: She's like, you know, Durnda's great.

761
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean she's very amusing, and she's a great housewife.

762
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: Tinsley the Valerie in a box is somebody who was

763
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 1: a good not great housewife. But butt Head's a little

764
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: on the show, which bums me out because I really

765
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: like her off the show.

766
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 2: I really really enjoy her. I like her.

767
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: Luanne reminded me on this episode that she really always

768
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: is in a good mood when shooting, Like she comes

769
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: in and she's pretty positive. She gets aggravated, but she's

770
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 1: a good housewife. Like this is a good this is

771
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: a good group. We may not we're not, we may

772
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: not be friends, but I'm going to give them the

773
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: respect that they deserve when watching truthfully, I can't just like,

774
00:35:48,360 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest yeah, So let me ask you

775
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: a question.

776
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 2: The room rule.

777
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: You go on a trip, your wife goes on a

778
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: trip with a bunch of people. You go with a

779
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 1: bunch of guys, what's the rule?

780
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 3: Like this, you get the worst room?

781
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 2: But then why would you ever get their last? You

782
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 2: get their first.

783
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: You'd want to get the you'd want to get the

784
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: best room.

785
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 3: Like what if?

786
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, but what if the show got booked cars and

787
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: then that other car came later? Like shouldn't that be

788
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: discussed ahead of time? Like who cares? Like what do

789
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 1: you think? I never cared because we're never going to

790
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: be in the room. I never cared.

791
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 3: I wouldn't care. I certainly wouldn't complain. I certainly wouldn't

792
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 3: make a big deal about it. But that's the rule,

793
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 3: Like if you because we go to you know, French

794
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 3: friends trips all the time, and whoever gets to the

795
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 3: house in Mexico first gets their first choice room, and

796
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 3: ever shows up last, you get what you get?

797
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 2: But is that at a restaurant too?

798
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: Like, so you pick a restaurant and you get there,

799
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: lest the people you're going with, they're going to sit

800
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: in the seats facing out, and you're going to sit

801
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: facing in because you got their last. But it's your restaurant, Like,

802
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: what what's that?

803
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 3: Well, if it were my restaurant, No, literally.

804
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: Your restaurant, your front Bobby Flay, you're boning a Bobby

805
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: Flay's restaurant.

806
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 3: I wouldn't you know? When I go out to dinner,

807
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 3: I always give my guests like preferred seating. Okay, I

808
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 3: walk up to a table of the group, I'm like,

809
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 3: I sort of give them the best opportunity to have

810
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 3: the best seat, because to me, I just think it's

811
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 3: a kind thing to do. But if you get there last,

812
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 3: and you know the clock is ticking, and I've got

813
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 3: my bags and I want to drop it down that I

814
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 3: don't know where you are or what time your car

815
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 3: is showing up, and your schedule is not my schedule,

816
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 3: and I don't know when you're showing up. I'm going

817
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 3: to take the room with a view.

818
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 2: Take the room of the view.

819
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: What is do you think the best seat is the

820
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 1: one that's looking out, that's like the furthest you walk

821
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: into a restaurant, it's the seat that's looking at the

822
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: hole room that to you is the or the one

823
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: with the view.

824
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 3: I guess right, it really depends on the restaurant, right,

825
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 3: So if there is a view, that's the best seat,

826
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 3: and if there's no view, then the seat that faces

827
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 3: the room is the best view. Right.

828
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: But then if you're going to get recognized, it's not

829
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: the best because I always want to sit facing the wall, sadly,

830
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 1: because I don't.

831
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 3: It just depends. And sometimes I'm with you. Sometimes when

832
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 3: I go out in public, I just don't really want

833
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 3: to be bothered, so I'll just, you know, quietly sort

834
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 3: of put my back to the room so nobody walks

835
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 3: up to me. But I'm sure that's the same thing

836
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 3: with you, right.

837
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, I said, yeah, exactly, because.

838
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 3: You just want to be present. I don't want to

839
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 3: be you know, on or have to have a common

840
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,919
Speaker 3: as much as I love it. I mean, listen, twenty

841
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 3: seven years on television, just like you, like, people walk

842
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 3: up and they they they have a relationship with us,

843
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 3: with you, of course that we don't know anything about,

844
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 3: and it's very personal. Right, People walk up to me

845
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 3: and they'll they'll have that best friend energy right away

846
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 3: and they're like, oh my god, I saw you on

847
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 3: television last week, and that thing that you made, I

848
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 3: made it for my friends. It was just so delicious

849
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 3: and I just want to come by and say hi

850
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 3: and like. And my thing is, you can never disrespect

851
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 3: that every ever for a second, right because because we,

852
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 3: as you know, television personalities, can never think for a

853
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 3: second that there's not a foresale by by date on

854
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 3: our career.

855
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god, no, of course, and that person. And

856
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: I've had people come up to me in the bathroom

857
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: at airports and then be a little jarring and then

858
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: feel guilty and think about it for the next two

859
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 1: hours looking for the person in the airport, like wanting

860
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 1: to like take back that moment that I was a

861
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 1: little bit like, can I just wait one second till

862
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: we get outside exactly? And then I feel and then

863
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: if they walk away because that was their one moment

864
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: and they feel like they had the courage and then

865
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: they walk away, then I feel terrible, like I actually

866
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 1: torture myself.

867
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 2: I will.

868
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: It's just worth being so present and so positive, even

869
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: in a restroom, because I don't like that feeling.

870
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 2: I hate the feeling of disappointing someone. It's a worse feeling.

871
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,479
Speaker 3: Last week, this dude, I was in this public space

872
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 3: and I could see out of my peripheral vision. There

873
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 3: was a guy because like sometimes when you can tell

874
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 3: you clocked him, you can see him, right, I see

875
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 3: this guy, but I can't really tell tell, you know,

876
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 3: and unless he like taps me on the shoulder, I'm

877
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 3: not going to walk up to him going hey, did

878
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 3: you want to take a picture? Like and so, and

879
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 3: I was walking towards the bathroom and then he stopped

880
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 3: and he waited for me to come out of the bathroom,

881
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 3: and then he walked up to me and he goes, hey, bro,

882
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 3: can I get a picture? I'm like, of course you can.

883
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: You know you gotta because it's a big moment for them, exactly.

884
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 2: Okay.

885
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: So Ramona, the one who I told you every trip

886
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: to her is like her honeymoon. She can have the

887
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: best time, it doesn't matter. And Ramona thinks there are

888
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 1: special rules for her. She makes up her own rules

889
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: that she no the one the blonde who says, well,

890
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: sonya and I like to share a room, so that

891
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: means we should get the bathtub and get the back

892
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: every trip, the same thing that we should.

893
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 2: She should just say, I'm the oldest.

894
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: She's in her she's in her sixties, and she should

895
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 1: just always say I'm the oldest, so I.

896
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:30,919
Speaker 2: Should get the preference. She should. I don't know why

897
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 2: she didn't go with that years ago.

898
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: She's always been the oldest, and she should have just

899
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 1: gone with that, because it'd be hard to argue with that.

900
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: Who it's not a well would if you're there with

901
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,760
Speaker 1: your elders, your grandparents are somebody you're gonna parents.

902
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, but not like a friend who happens to be

903
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 3: ten years older than me.

904
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: No, she's not well yeah, she's twelve, thirteen years old. Yeah,

905
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just no, I'm saying it would work.

906
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's true, but she doesn't care.

907
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 2: If it's true.

908
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: If she said it, we'd go for it. I think

909
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: I would go for it. She'd be like, I'm older

910
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: than you and I you know, and I'd be like,

911
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: you know what, Ramona, You're right. That's why Tinseley always

912
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: got stuck in the shitty room. She's the baby of

913
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: the group. So it's like, so it's okay, you're young,

914
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: go in the twin bed. Yeah, I think, like I

915
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: think we should have. She should have gone at that,

916
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: but Ramona wants special rules. And it's funny how Carol

917
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: was so really passionate about the room placement, but then

918
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: when Ramona confronted her, Carol could not have the courage

919
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: in person. It's like, these are the types of people

920
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: that like have keyboard courage, Like she she was faced

921
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: with Ramona, who said, wait.

922
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 2: Why, and Carol's like, I don't know, huh.

923
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: Do you remember Carol was the one who was very

924
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: passionate about, like Drenda getting her room and scrambling for

925
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: the room.

926
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw that, and it was it was a

927
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 3: big sort of mash up, all right, I did it

928
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 3: seem like there's a lot of cameras going on. There

929
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 3: was a lot of chit chat, a lot of chatter

930
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 3: going on. There was there was I think four or

931
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 3: five different like two person conversations kind of happening at

932
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 3: the same time. So it was a little, like I said,

933
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 3: from a dude's perspective, it's a little hard to keep

934
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 3: up with, you know, sort of watching all this exactly.

935
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 3: But like the big thing that I thought was really

936
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 3: kind of interesting, like which which housewife had recently gotten married?

937
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 3: And then that was her sort of flag on the

938
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 3: ground of why she was so upset because she didn't

939
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 3: get the good room exactly.

940
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: That's Countess, Countess Luenne de les sep. She just got married,

941
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: but like not yesterday, and I don't we don't know

942
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 1: the correlation. I don't understand the correlation to Ramona getting

943
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: the best room because she's sharing with something. I understand

944
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: that more she's sharing. So she's saying two of us

945
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: together could get the best room. But like, we didn't

946
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: sign up for that contract. But then Luanne is saying

947
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 1: I just got married, so I deserve the best room,

948
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 1: as if this is like her honeymoon that we're all

949
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: just going to be on without her husband.

950
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I just got married. It would be nice

951
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 3: if you guys gave me the good room. And I

952
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 3: can't believe I didn't get the good room. And don't

953
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 3: you know I just got married and I just got.

954
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 2: Married and you agree with that or it's bizarre logic.

955
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 3: Oh, it's a cheap card to play, Like I don't,

956
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 3: I don't understand, Like you get okay, that's that's the

957
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 3: adult rule of sharing the house for the weekend. If

958
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,439
Speaker 3: you get there last, you get what you get.

959
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 2: Okay. That's the telephones, that's the rule.

960
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 3: That is the rule. Like we're all going in together,

961
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 3: you know, and like especially if somebody's paying for it,

962
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 3: like if you're not paying for it, right, you know

963
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 3: what I mean? Like if it were like we're all

964
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 3: going to split this house four couples, and I would

965
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 3: probably want to know the room accommodations set up if

966
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 3: I paid for it. But if I certainly didn't pay

967
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 3: for it, and I got invited to go for the

968
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 3: weekend and I really just wanted to go ski and

969
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 3: drink red wine by the fire and hang out with

970
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,919
Speaker 3: my friends and cook and whatever, and I got there

971
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 3: four hours later than everybody else, I would fully expect

972
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 3: to get the basement room.

973
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, you offer a service. It's like

974
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: if you're a massage therapist and you're coming on the tub,

975
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 1: you should get the bigg roomcause you're gonna.

976
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 3: Be the best person a vacation with.

977
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're cooking, so you should have the big Yeah

978
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: you're yes, forget I mean if you're a d J,

979
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: yeah you probably DJ. Also you offer ser idea I'm

980
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: the party fucking yeah, no, you deserve two. Yeah, you

981
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 1: are an exception. You should never be in the bad room.

982
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 3: Get the broom.

983
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 1: Yeah you should, But I don't know if ever, But

984
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,439
Speaker 1: first of all, what if it's your fake trip. It's

985
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: my fake trip, so I should get the best room.

986
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: I didn't pay for the goddamn trip.

987
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 3: Did you get there first?

988
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: Yes, it's my fake trip. I got there with other people,

989
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 1: my fake trip. Three of us came together boom.

990
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 3: But who walked the door first?

991
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: I mean that's no, because then Ramona would be ripping

992
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 1: limbs off. I once had a pinata at a party

993
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 1: that had fine jewelry in it, and Ramona like lost

994
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: the shoe trying to get that jewelry out of there.

995
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: I mean, she will cut a bitch, She will cut

996
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: a bit. I mean, you can't imagine they'd be like.

997
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 3: They'd be like, that's a difference between Real Housewives and

998
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 3: New York City and Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.

999
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. That's hilarious. Okay.

1000
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: So the best too, is that I wish that we

1001
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: had the word gas lighting, that we used it when

1002
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: we were shooting The Housewives. It just wasn't back then

1003
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: a word that was used like every day like now,

1004
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: because Ramona gives a whole synopsis, she's saying that like

1005
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: she's blaming everything on me. That happened between the two

1006
00:44:58,239 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: of us, And then I love that the producers go

1007
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 1: back and do a montage of all the mean things

1008
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: Ramona's said to me, like she's literally abused me, but

1009
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: wants me just to put it under the rug and

1010
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: be friends with her again and sometimes and that's the

1011
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: problem with these shows because now you have to be

1012
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: with someone on a trip, and so it's fake friendships.

1013
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:22,280
Speaker 1: It's a fake trip, but yet you're acting like it's real,

1014
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: that it's your fake trip. But I don't want to

1015
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: spend time with Ramona on my fake trip. Like by

1016
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: that logic, you just kind of wouldn't care who you

1017
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: hung out with at any point because all of it's

1018
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: not real. But you understand that there's like fifty shades

1019
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: of gray. It's still too human beings.

1020
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 3: So that's real if I sing no, is that okay? Yeah?

1021
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,280
Speaker 2: Yeah? Do you not understand?

1022
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 3: Like this is where I kind of get lood?

1023
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, You're put in a house with chefs that

1024
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: you don't know, and all of you are just living

1025
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: there and cooking different recipes and you have to tell

1026
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: Bobby Flay and Michael Simon and all these people what

1027
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: you really think it's too much salt. It's like shit,

1028
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: I can't believe you overcooked it. How have you been

1029
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: into all the shit that you really think? And you're

1030
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: or even better, chefs that you don't you don't know,

1031
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: chefs that you know of that are just there or

1032
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: don't know, and now you're in a house with them

1033
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: and you're living with them and you can't fucking stand them,

1034
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: but you have to be with them for the next

1035
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 1: three months, so the interactions are going to be real,

1036
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: and you're going to have to talk to them, even

1037
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 1: though it's not real that you would be for four

1038
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 1: months with any chefs, but you are for four months

1039
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: of chefs, living with them and being with them every

1040
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 1: day with cameras.

1041
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 3: That's a nightmare. Thank you.

1042
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm trying to explain your body, your human being. You

1043
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: have blood running through your vans, so you're standing next

1044
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: to someone, you're exhausted, you've been drinking alcohol, you're dehydrated,

1045
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,879
Speaker 1: you're working. So when they say your croquettes taste like shit,

1046
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,760
Speaker 1: you might punch somebody. You're not a person who punches,

1047
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: but you might punch somebody. That's what I'm saying.

1048
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 3: Now, do you understand, Yeah, well, I mean push, come

1049
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 3: to shove if you start insulting my croquets. You know,

1050
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 3: three and a half classes deep, that's what I'm saying. Yeah,

1051
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 3: those croquettes buck those cats. I mean sometimes she gets crazy.

1052
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 1: Yes, so that's that's thank you. Yes, I needed to

1053
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: let you know.

1054
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 2: So the ballerina in a box.

1055
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 3: She's a pretty born with the with the yes braids,

1056
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 3: the cool braids on top of her hair.

1057
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, yes, she's like perfect, she always has. She

1058
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 1: was a socialite. She still wear tap it in go

1059
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: to like the met Gala, And she had a fall

1060
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: from Grace and she dated some of the wrong people

1061
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: and she ended up on page six and she was.

1062
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 3: Right.

1063
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: She had dated someone and married them Topper Mortimer. She's

1064
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: from Virginia, Like, she kind of did everything right to

1065
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: tee her up to be in w magazine. So she

1066
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: did everything right to get herself to the met Gala

1067
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: and had a lipstick line and a handbag line and

1068
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: then it all crashed and burned because she made some

1069
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: bad decisions.

1070
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 2: And so this show was her comeback.

1071
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: But she's still tinsely, she's still beautiful, she has the

1072
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: long last she looks perfect everyday she's Southern. She's dressed

1073
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: to it the nines every day. So now she comes

1074
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: back and this is all produced because the show wants

1075
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 1: to get her into the show. But she doesn't live

1076
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: in New York. So she's living at Sonya Morgan, the

1077
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: Toaster Oven girl, who has a townhouse, which is like

1078
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: a character in the show her townhouse because she it's

1079
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: mortgage to the hill, so she's never kind of getting

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00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: out of that townhouse. And she was married to a

1081
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: Morgan like JP Morgan, so she's still in that Morgan

1082
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: townhouse understandably so, and Tinsley's living with her. So that's

1083
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: very produced because Tinsley's living with her, so she can

1084
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 1: be a real housewive of New York.

1085
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, I do remember that situation. So she was

1086
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 3: kind of upset that she was living with this other person,

1087
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 3: and then there was like rules of the house if

1088
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 3: I remember that correctly.

1089
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 1: Right, right, So Sonia is trying to control Tinsley because

1090
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: she's saying Tinsley came back to New York and they

1091
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: weren't real friends. They've known each other for years, but

1092
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: it's another one of these friendships that gets more concentrated

1093
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 1: because of the show. So now she's living for the

1094
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: show with Sonya, and Sonya's effectively imposing rules on her

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00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: even though she's a forty two year old adult, and

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00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: whatever the rules are, it doesn't matter. Like I end

1097
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: up saying in one of my interviews, like this is

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00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: my hotel checkouts at noon. You don't like it, you

1099
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 1: don't have to live here. So whatever Sonya's.

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00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 3: Rules were, that was Azinger.

1101
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 2: By the way, what I said, yeah, thank you.

1102
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: That's the only reason I'm there is for the singer,

1103
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: So I don't really probably add any other value. So

1104
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: so Sonya's input, do you agree Sonya's it's Sonya's how

1105
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: Sonya's rules, It doesn't matter what they are. Is that

1106
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: fair or that's not a friend or what do you think?

1107
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 3: Well, I listen, I never think about the situations like

1108
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 3: it couldn't happen to me, right, because you got you

1109
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 3: never know you know what I mean?

1110
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 2: Like that right? No, right, you're right.

1111
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, It's like you have a bad couple of years

1112
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,720
Speaker 3: and you know you end up like staying at somebody's

1113
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 3: house and stuff like that, and there's like bad croquettes,

1114
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 3: bad croquetes, let's sleek at bad croquetes get let's say,

1115
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 3: shit gets crazy and your back BET's take over the world.

1116
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: And then you end up No, you get a reputation.

1117
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: You have bad croquettes the whole restaurant. It's bad for you,

1118
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: bad for your career. Bad croquetes are bad for TV

1119
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:07,760
Speaker 1: chefs exactly.

1120
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 3: And then take two. You're staying at somebody's house, right,

1121
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 3: and so you sleep on the couch, right.

1122
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 2: Well, so in you's house, and you're sleeping with stuffed animals, which.

1123
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 3: Is what was happening. Your croquets are so bad you

1124
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 3: end up sleeping on the couch is somebody's house, right. Yeah,

1125
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 3: that's a downward spiral, yep, that you could have corrected

1126
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 3: if if somebody had given you some real advice and

1127
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 3: say your croquets are salty toast or an airca I

1128
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 3: tried it, or an area to try it. Yeah, yeah,

1129
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 3: maybe you should have used an air fryer. They could

1130
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 3: a little crisp beer.

1131
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 2: Yep, you're growing.

1132
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 3: Could have happened, could have You're.

1133
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:40,760
Speaker 2: Growing as a chef as we speak.

1134
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 3: I feel like that, I feel like them. And then

1135
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 3: you end up in that situation, and then you know,

1136
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 3: then you're sort of like stuck in this thing, trying

1137
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,399
Speaker 3: to like claw your way out of it. And then

1138
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 3: so if somebody says, what were the rules, by the way,

1139
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 3: was it like whether harsh rules or she was complained

1140
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 3: about the rules or what, like, I think Midnight, don't

1141
00:50:58,560 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 3: fucking yeah.

1142
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: I think we're talking about the fact that she was

1143
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: starting to date, and I know she wasn't bringing guys there.

1144
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: But Sonya was imposing her opinion on the way that

1145
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 1: Tinsley was dating. And Sonya was saying that Tinsley had

1146
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 1: expressed that she didn't want to get a bad reputation,

1147
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: and Sonya Morgan was like back in the fifties, saying

1148
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 1: that she, you know, she was being like a fifties mom,

1149
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: which is interesting because that's what Tinsley's mom is like.

1150
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: It's almost like they were on the Titanic and it

1151
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: was like Rose in her mom and Sonya, who you

1152
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,760
Speaker 1: know likes to have a couple of men in her townhouse,

1153
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: is basically saying to Tinsley, like, you said you didn't

1154
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: want to affect your reputation, and Tinsley's basically being spoken

1155
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: for like Sonya's like, you wanted to meet someone, you

1156
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 1: want to get a husband, you want to whatever, And

1157
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: I don't think the way you're handling it is correct,

1158
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: which I do understand because Tinsley had told Sonya I

1159
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 1: guess what she was looking for. But in the moment,

1160
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: I think Tinsley might be lonely, or she's dating, or

1161
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, she's making mistakes.

1162
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:56,720
Speaker 2: Sonya thinks.

1163
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: So we're all chiming in and being like forty two

1164
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: year old women move out like this is her rules.

1165
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 1: So I'm saying, her house, her rules, no matter what

1166
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:07,879
Speaker 1: they are, I think.

1167
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 3: So. I think when you're in that situation like that,

1168
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 3: you're just inviting somebody to have an opinion about your life.

1169
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 3: You're inviting that it, You're accepting that as part of

1170
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 3: the responsibility of yourself right there at that moment in

1171
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 3: your life. Like if I moved in with my mother

1172
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 3: in law, I was just then expector to give me

1173
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 3: a blow by blow daily recap of how she would

1174
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 3: have done my life differently. And I love I love

1175
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 3: my mother in law, I love it, but I would

1176
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 3: just expect that, you know what I mean, Like because

1177
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 3: like even my own mom, my mom, if I moved

1178
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 3: back home every day, she'd be like, well, I told you,

1179
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 3: and you should have and if you listen to me,

1180
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 3: it would have like and I you know what's going

1181
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 3: on with this and tell me about that? Right?

1182
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 2: And so, well, what if you don't eat breakfast? She

1183
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:47,720
Speaker 2: wants to eat breakfast.

1184
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: You woke up and you're you know, she's going to

1185
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: think that you or if you go swimming right after

1186
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 1: you eat croquettes, she's going to say, you make a stomache.

1187
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 3: If you don't wait a half an hour, you're going

1188
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 3: to get cramps.

1189
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 2: Right, So you wouldn't know that if you were in

1190
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 2: the house.

1191
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, she gets crazy. So I think, you know, hopefully

1192
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 3: I don't know where she is in the world right now.

1193
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 3: I hope she I hope she moved out. Do we

1194
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 3: know where she is right now? What's her up right now?

1195
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 2: She? I mean, I don't want to hear it.

1196
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 3: By the way, I don't even know who was president.

1197
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 3: I was trying to like watch this stuff like this.

1198
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 1: I think Luanne was president. I'm not sure that Glenn

1199
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: still separate president. Well, no, I think it was around that. No,

1200
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: it was for the election, for the election for Trump.

1201
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 3: Okay, it was.

1202
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:28,919
Speaker 2: Right around before.

1203
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 1: That's why the Milania reference to Carol looking like Milania.

1204
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: It wasn't as bad a reference now to her because

1205
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: Trump hadn't been elected yet. But we did shoot, Yes,

1206
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: we did shoot the election night.

1207
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:40,959
Speaker 3: Yes.

1208
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,280
Speaker 2: So to answer your question, Tinsley.

1209
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 1: Is very, very happy and her life is exactly where

1210
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 1: she has wanted it to be. So she doesn't live

1211
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: in the town how she doesn't live in New York,

1212
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,240
Speaker 1: and she is very Yes, I'm so ry. She's very happy.

1213
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: Sonya still lives in the town house. I'm related, and

1214
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 1: her reputation is intact good.

1215
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 3: Yes.

1216
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:02,919
Speaker 2: Yes.

1217
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 3: Do you think a lot of women have a hard

1218
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 3: time surviving Real Housewives?

1219
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:12,280
Speaker 1: Well, there's something going on. It's the biggest conversation happening

1220
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,240
Speaker 1: right now. In one of the biggest conversations in entertainment.

1221
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: Is this reality reckoning that I started, where it is

1222
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,959
Speaker 1: by some people seen as hypocritical because I cashed out

1223
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: and capitalized on that medium, that in my opinion, has

1224
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: really devolved since I started, although it was still not,

1225
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 1: you know, perfect when I started, and that there are

1226
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: many people who capitalize on it and do very well,

1227
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,399
Speaker 1: but there are many people who it really ruins their

1228
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: lives because of the way that they're exploited and the

1229
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: way that, for example, some people have their kids on

1230
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 1: the show when their little kids and their kids have

1231
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 1: microphones on and they have to have these conversations, and

1232
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: then for the rest of their lives, these kids are

1233
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: known for what they were doing and saying when they

1234
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: were thirteen. So there's a big debate going on right

1235
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: now about where a line is. I created the debate,

1236
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: but it's a very big debate and about unionization and

1237
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: all that. So to answer your question, I believe that

1238
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 1: it makes some people thrive, but it also ruins some

1239
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: people's lives and reputations.

1240
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 2: So there's a dance a line.

1241
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 3: So I was invited to be the Bachelor one year

1242
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 3: stop and I turned it down. Wow, turned on a

1243
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 3: bunch of stuff. I turned down Let's Apprentice.

1244
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: Same, I turned down the Celebrity Apprentice because I did

1245
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: the Regular Apprentice.

1246
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 3: Yep.

1247
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 2: Same. Turned out turned down those two things.

1248
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,280
Speaker 3: Because like who's like, who's your the Bachelor.

1249
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: Fame is a dangerous game, and you know, there's a

1250
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:45,280
Speaker 1: line with it. And for you, if you did the apprint,

1251
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 1: you're very successful and you're on TV. If if you

1252
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: did the Apprentice and you got fired in the first

1253
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, it could be worse for you.

1254
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 3: It wouldn't matter.

1255
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 2: Well you don't know, well.

1256
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 3: I mean it might matter if it will, because you've

1257
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 3: always got this baseline thing. I just think some people

1258
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 3: are kind of in this reality thing and that's their

1259
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 3: full time job. It's just kind of being in the

1260
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,919
Speaker 3: reality world right where, you know, like like we said

1261
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 3: earlier in our conversations, like the cake has to be good.

1262
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:13,839
Speaker 3: It's not about the frost, and it's about the cake.

1263
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 3: Like I've got a real life and a real career,

1264
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 3: Like I'm a restaurant tour and a chef, and I

1265
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 3: have you know, I have hundreds of employees, and so

1266
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,399
Speaker 3: this other stuff kind of feels fun for me. Right

1267
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 3: Like the TV thing used to be my wheel, and

1268
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 3: now it's just sort of a spoke in my wheel

1269
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 3: because we have other things that are kind of equally

1270
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 3: as important that we you know, we kind of put

1271
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 3: in cycles. But sometimes I wonder and I worry for

1272
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 3: some of these folks that kind of get caught up

1273
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:41,800
Speaker 3: in the reality world, especially in the chef reality world,

1274
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 3: like with Top Chef, and.

1275
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: That's different because that's more dramatic to the point of

1276
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about at least it's grounded in a

1277
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: competition where it stays contained. But it's funny that you're

1278
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: saying this because, first of all, it sounds like you're

1279
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: not willing to gamble something you're not willing to lose,

1280
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 1: so to go on the Apprentice, the upside does not

1281
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,879
Speaker 1: outweigh how bad the downside could be, like going into

1282
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: a casino, Like, how what's my upside and what's my downside?

1283
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 3: You have too much to lose show. I think like

1284
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,359
Speaker 3: Gary Busey was on that same season, I can't remember who,

1285
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 3: like the other cast member was like, there's no way

1286
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 3: I'm doing.

1287
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 2: That right because I don't think you.

1288
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:16,439
Speaker 3: I don't.

1289
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: I think that if you look like a clown, that's

1290
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: a big downside, And what's the upside? You win the prize,

1291
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 1: you know. But the difference is your show. It's not scripted,

1292
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: but it's got guardrails. You're talking about food, you're not

1293
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: talking about politics, you're not talking about each other, you're

1294
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: not gossiping, so it's got some guardrails. But you could

1295
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 1: say something that could get you in trouble. Now you

1296
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: go deeper, and you've got some guardrails on chopped because

1297
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: you the guardrails are that there is a competition surrounding food.

1298
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: Now you go on the house was and you have

1299
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,959
Speaker 1: no guardrails, so you're left and it's all risk because

1300
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 1: you're not an actress reading someone else's words. Everything you

1301
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: say could be a liability, and the cameras keep rolling.

1302
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: You're not stopping, the cameras keep going. You say something

1303
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: that could be perceived is racist or hateful or anything,

1304
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: and you could ruin your whole life.

1305
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 3: And you get a little sip of success and you

1306
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 3: think that's what life is going to be like for

1307
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 3: the rest of your life, and then it goes away,

1308
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 3: and then you left and then what he left with.

1309
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 3: And so sometimes I see these folks and like, you know,

1310
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 3: you know sometimes when when people were like the fourth

1311
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 3: runner up on season twelve of Top Chef or whatever

1312
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 3: it is, right, and then they they're like, where's my agent,

1313
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 3: where's my book deal? You know, where's my television series,

1314
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 3: where's my multi restaurant deal, where's all these things? And

1315
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 3: like and it just never really materializes because there wasn't

1316
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 3: really a lot of there there to begin with.

1317
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 1: But what if you're me and you have nothing going

1318
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: on and you have no money, and you have no

1319
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,919
Speaker 1: family and no safety net, and you're in your late

1320
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 1: thirties and it's not that cute. You were about to

1321
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 1: go work actually for Bobby Flay. I went to masa

1322
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 1: Grill and was like, I need you to give me

1323
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: like some sort of an internship or however you start

1324
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: in a restaurant. But I ended up going on. I

1325
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: did the Apprentice, was the runner up, nothing to lose.

1326
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 1: Wanted the actual job for Arthur Stewart. Literally wanted the

1327
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: I think it was one hundred something thousand dollars, which

1328
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 1: was like ten million dollars to me, now, no exaggerate,

1329
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 1: like I had no money, wanted that job, and then

1330
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: wanted so badly to have your job. I wanted to

1331
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: be on the Food Network so badly, and Bob Tushman said,

1332
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 1: it's never going to happen. I met with everybody, all

1333
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 1: the Mistake, all the production companies I met. I think

1334
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: he got fired, and yeah, that woman Susie after him

1335
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 1: liked me, and there was a man, but Bob Tushman

1336
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 1: said it's and he called me. It was like, stop

1337
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: talking to all these people like the Gordon Elliot's and

1338
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: all these different people that I was talking to because

1339
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: I wanted to in. Yeah.

1340
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I called everybody. I called.

1341
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 3: I.

1342
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 1: They all liked me, but Bob Tushman wouldn't let me through.

1343
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 1: So I wanted your job. And then the housewives comes

1344
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 1: and I said I had nothing to lose, not unlike you.

1345
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 2: I did not.

1346
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 1: I had only it didn't matter. I was living in

1347
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: a studio Iqia apartment, So that's why I did it.

1348
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:03,439
Speaker 1: But I am the exception, not the rule.

1349
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 3: Some people come out of it. Some people there's always

1350
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 3: a success, and I'm worry about everybody. I'm swaying that way. Yeah,

1351
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 3: I think the people who are successful are going to

1352
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 3: be successful one way or the other. Likewise, people who

1353
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 3: are you know, the cream always just rises to the top,

1354
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 3: like leaders just leave right. People who are going to

1355
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 3: be successful are going to find that root one way

1356
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 3: or the other to be successful. And sometimes there's a

1357
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 3: little a little fake it till you make it, till

1358
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 3: you get there. But when you make it, you made.

1359
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 1: It one hundred percent. And a lot of people are

1360
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 1: saying because of this reality reckoning. Without Bravo, I would

1361
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 1: be nowhere. I'm like that was seventeen years with I'd

1362
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 1: be nowhere. I would be sitting in the same place.

1363
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 1: Am I a key a studio apartment? With this brain

1364
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 1: inside my head? It's just like that's what housewives at

1365
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: home on keyboard say. So I'm like, yeah, it's okay,

1366
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:50,479
Speaker 1: we can have better treatment for people. Sixteen years later.

1367
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 1: So it's like I always bring up Kim Kardashian sixteen

1368
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 1: years ago. That was her sex tape. We're still going

1369
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 1: to talk about, like as if that defines her. She's

1370
01:00:58,360 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: done a lot since then.

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01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 3: I'm still though, I mean, she's just super successful. This

1372
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 3: is what I'm saying, Like so that I don't know

1373
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 3: if that was planted, right, I mean, do you think

1374
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 3: that was planted?

1375
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 1: Yes, it doesn't matter. What were you doing sixteen years ago?

1376
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 3: Sixteen years ago I was. I was, you know, on

1377
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 3: season you know, like year twenty of Food Network. You know,

1378
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 3: I've been doing this for twenty seven years. I just

1379
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 3: finished my seventeenth cookbook. You know, I'm a one trick pony.

1380
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 3: I've been I literally have been in kitchens working my

1381
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 3: entire life since I was thirteen years old. I started

1382
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 3: washing dishes and restaurants and this is my one jam.

1383
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 3: I mean, so like sixteen years ago, I was, I was,

1384
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 3: I mean, I was successful sixteen years ago, but like

1385
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 3: to do. But I think what I'm saying is like

1386
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 3: the preservation of your career, Like it's easy. I think

1387
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 3: today it's easy to blow up. It's easy to get there.

1388
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:54,479
Speaker 3: There's not one chef that I know personally, socially or

1389
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 3: randomly that hasn't been on television for five minutes because

1390
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 3: it's so available, right, and there used to be like

1391
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 3: I think with like the Food networks up, there's probably

1392
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 3: maybe twenty five people on planet Earth that had my

1393
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 3: shared experience, right, which is a very small group of people, right,

1394
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 3: and then, but like television wide, it seems like a

1395
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 3: lot of chefs have had that opportunity to end up

1396
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 3: on television. And I just want success for everybody, right, Like,

1397
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 3: you get a chance to really kind of do that,

1398
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 3: but don't waste it, right, and don't think it's forever.

1399
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:27,479
Speaker 1: And well, you brought something up because you just brought

1400
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 1: something up, So to bring up the Kardashians, like, forget

1401
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: that there are many people. You're one person. I'm one person.

1402
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 1: But when you've had a layered career and done so

1403
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 1: many different things, you can get dirty and make different mistakes.

1404
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 1: When you have a one hit wonder career where you

1405
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 1: just get fame really quickly and then something goes wrong,

1406
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 1: those are the people that really dissolve because they don't

1407
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 1: have all of those layers. Like I make mistakes all

1408
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 1: the time, but I no one's defining me on one

1409
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 1: thing that I say or have done. You've done cookbooks,

1410
01:02:57,080 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 1: You've done TV shows, You've done so many things. You've

1411
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 1: in many restaurants. Like you, you have so many layered

1412
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: fans and successes that life is a little more forgiving,

1413
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: almost like an old person.

1414
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, but if you look at your winning loss column,

1415
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 3: you still got a championship.

1416
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 2: Season, right, That's what I'm saying.

1417
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 3: You're so championship season right. Like the Hall of Fame,

1418
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 3: Hall of Fameme, Hall of Fame, yeah, big time.

1419
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 2: So you're in the Hall of Fame of cooking, right?

1420
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 2: Is that of fact? I mean, is not a fact.

1421
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 2: You might not be.

1422
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: You might not be Michael Jordan, I might not be

1423
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:32,439
Speaker 1: you know whoever, But like you're in the Hall of Fame.

1424
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 2: You're in that on those walls.

1425
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 3: I'm on the wall of the Smithsonian Institute of American

1426
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 3: History in Washington, d C.

1427
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 2: Really boom.

1428
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 3: Why I'm not, I don't know if it's forever, but

1429
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 3: there was a there's a there was a The Julia

1430
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 3: Child's exhibit at the Smithsonian in Washington, d C. Has

1431
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 3: like a sidewall of of her predecessors, of people that

1432
01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 3: came after her.

1433
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 1: And I'm on the wall, like, how did they define

1434
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 1: who came out?

1435
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 2: Everybody's coming after?

1436
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's obviously not everybody, because there's you know,

1437
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 3: there's a handful. I think, God, I saw it maybe.

1438
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 1: Meaning very successful did you go to the same school

1439
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 1: as her?

1440
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 2: Or just meaning successful.

1441
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 3: Chefs, successful chefs on television. That's amazing that kind of

1442
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 3: came after that.

1443
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 2: That's unbelievable.

1444
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 1: That's did you go and like you have it? You

1445
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 1: saw I took the picture. That's amazing. Wow, well the

1446
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: sea do you see that? The show is not just

1447
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 1: like trashing house was. It's kind of talking about life

1448
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 1: via that vehicle. That makes any sense. We could talk

1449
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 1: about croquetes for two hours too.

1450
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 3: We could talk about croquettes and so I I think,

1451
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 3: you know, having a daughter who I love with all

1452
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 3: my heart and having a wife who I love with

1453
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 3: all my heart. I think there's because my daughter deals

1454
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 3: with this and it's like the mean girl syndrome, right,

1455
01:04:56,240 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 3: and sometimes it's really heavy and so and to not

1456
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 3: getting kind of details. But like all, there always seems

1457
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 3: to be like an enemy. There always seems to be

1458
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 3: like somebody, there's a there's a protagonist in her life

1459
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 3: that that is causing her grief, like somebody's talking shit

1460
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 3: about somebody, right mm hmm. And I'm trying to figure

1461
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 3: out how do I be a good parent to her

1462
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 3: and teach her how to be friends and to be

1463
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 3: real friends and to have real friends and to not

1464
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 3: put up with toxic relationships in your life that just

1465
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 3: make you feel bad about yourself.

1466
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 1: Well, how old is she? I'll tell you because I

1467
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 1: think I actually think I'm good at that. Okay, so

1468
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 1: my daughter's thirteen, so I actually think, knock what, I've

1469
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 1: been very good at this. So my opinion on this,

1470
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 1: you're talking about something your daughter has to deal with.

1471
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 1: You're talking about a zero sum game and someone in

1472
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 1: that age, in a teenager's life of a girl, someone

1473
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 1: is always winning and someone is always losing. So this

1474
01:05:56,200 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 1: is now a situation where people are volunteering to go

1475
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 1: in and perpetuate that as adults when we're supposed to

1476
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 1: know better, and that's that's the problem. But to your daughters,

1477
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 1: I say to my daughter, do not get too close

1478
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 1: with anybody right now. You want to have good friends.

1479
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 1: And it's great first of all to put nothing ever

1480
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 1: in writing, and don't tell anyone all your secrets. You

1481
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 1: think that you can trust everybody, and I'm not telling

1482
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 1: you to not trust, because you will find people that

1483
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 1: you can trust, but by and large, you're going to

1484
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 1: be very disappointed. And I would not be overly trusting.

1485
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 1: And don't tell everyone. Everyone you like and everything you're thinking, like,

1486
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 1: keep it at fifty five miles an hour. I'm always

1487
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 1: like seventy five and sunny. Don't become best friends, don't

1488
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 1: become enemies. Don't go high highs and lows like on

1489
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:45,440
Speaker 1: a stove, you're on medium.

1490
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 2: You've got to be on me. Be nice.

1491
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 1: My daughter's known is always smiling and being nice to everybody.

1492
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 1: She does not get hot and be and when she

1493
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 1: gets close to getting hot and I see her being

1494
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 1: be fed with someone and it's every day, I'm like, listen,

1495
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 1: if you go so hot, there's only one way for

1496
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 1: this to go so take it town on a little,

1497
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 1: mix it up, have other friends. It's the burner method,

1498
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 1: like have a lot of things on the burner, like

1499
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 1: a lot of different friends and relationships, and don't go

1500
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 1: too hot or too cold with anybody.

1501
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah. So she's got school friends and then

1502
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 3: those relationships kind of come and go sometimes like sometimes

1503
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 3: like they'll be you know, all smiles, and then sometimes

1504
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 3: they'll there'll be a situation where girls said something about somebody,

1505
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 3: something to somebody and and you know, feelings, people get

1506
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 3: their feelings hurt, and you know, uh, it ended up

1507
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 3: like I'll give an example because it's weird because it

1508
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 3: starts so early, and as a parent, I mean, I'll

1509
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:34,520
Speaker 3: get to start.

1510
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 2: Very early, and it feels like the stuff we do.

1511
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:38,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, the mean girl stuff started in the third grade

1512
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 3: and then like Dorothy would come home, my daughter, she'd

1513
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 3: come home and she's like crying her eyes out and

1514
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:46,919
Speaker 3: she was like, you know, uh, you know, this girl

1515
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 3: said something really mean about me and and you know,

1516
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:52,040
Speaker 3: and she really hurt my feelings. And then she got

1517
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 3: another group of girls together and then they all started

1518
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 3: talking about me, and then you know, they started isolating

1519
01:07:58,400 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 3: me out. This other thing where you think is really

1520
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 3: talked of our kids today is the snap Chat map?

1521
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 1: Aren't because it's fomo, Because it's all fomo. You know

1522
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 1: where someone is in there together and then you're missing

1523
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 1: out and why are they not inviting me?

1524
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 2: You're talking about that?

1525
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is so toxic because you see where other

1526
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,759
Speaker 3: kids are exactly from like Dorothy, that is a tracking

1527
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 3: device on your phone, Like it's kind of cool to

1528
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:23,160
Speaker 3: see where your friends are. But if you see them

1529
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 3: together with other people and you didn't get invited, and

1530
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 3: then you're going to start looking up on TikTok and

1531
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 3: you know, and.

1532
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 1: Then you said dancing together, the TikTok dances. You see

1533
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 1: them doing a dance together and why they together? And

1534
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 1: she said she couldn't have plans.

1535
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 2: You got it.

1536
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 1: But it all goes back to the slow and low.

1537
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 1: You have to kind of ath like you don't care.

1538
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 1: You have to have your own life. You have to

1539
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 1: have friends outside of school. And it's funny because I

1540
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:49,599
Speaker 1: know someone with a child actually sixteen, and in these

1541
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 1: cases they kind of treat school like it's work, like

1542
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 1: they go there to get their work done. They stay

1543
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:57,599
Speaker 1: on their own. They don't seem desperate. Like they're being

1544
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 1: left out and needy because kids pray on that.

1545
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 3: Kids again, you got to have thicker skins. Kids can

1546
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 3: have other friends and it's okay.

1547
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 1: And you have to act like you don't. The least

1548
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 1: interested party always wins you. You got to be that

1549
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 1: person that's treating like your own to work and you

1550
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 1: have other friends after. And you've got to not take

1551
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 1: the bait. It's very much like causeway. You cannot take

1552
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 1: the bait, and you just and you just can't take

1553
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:19,720
Speaker 1: the bait. You cannot take the bait. You can't be

1554
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 1: too upset, you can't be too excited and thirsty. You

1555
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:24,559
Speaker 1: got to stay medium. You got to stay slow and

1556
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 1: low the whole time. It's very hard, but you have

1557
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 1: to stay You've got to stay right in the middle.

1558
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:31,920
Speaker 3: I think that's really good advice because I think a

1559
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 3: lot of times kids do take the bait, and I

1560
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:36,679
Speaker 3: think it ends up with this, you know, this sort

1561
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 3: of backwards and then they'll counter react all of it,

1562
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 3: and then they'll have like, you know, I'm going to

1563
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 3: have a sleepover this weekend and I'm going to invite

1564
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 3: all those people and I'm not going to invite her.

1565
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,719
Speaker 1: And then they're wrong. That's why medium, don't go hot,

1566
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 1: don't go cold. You got to you got to really

1567
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 1: explain to your kid that because you know from the kitchen,

1568
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:54,560
Speaker 1: like keep it on medium, and it's not going to

1569
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 1: be that exciting, but it's not going to be the load.

1570
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 2: The loads are really bad at that age.

1571
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 1: That's why I want to keep everything, you know, And

1572
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 1: I help my daughter move the plates around with the

1573
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 1: different friends, like, okay, just make sure you're keeping you're

1574
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 1: making plans with a couple of people.

1575
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 2: Don't get you hot on that one. It really makes a.

1576
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:11,760
Speaker 3: Difference, makes a huge difference. So she has she's in

1577
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 3: a competitive dance group and she's been dancing. That's another too, right, Well,

1578
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:19,880
Speaker 3: and that's a whole other thing. Yeah, but I think

1579
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:23,559
Speaker 3: having like two and specifically like plot this out with

1580
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 3: your child to have different groups of friends that she

1581
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:31,519
Speaker 3: can bounce in and out of, so totally. So at

1582
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 3: the social scene at school is on ice for a

1583
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 3: little bit for whatever reason, She's got another group of

1584
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 3: friends that she can kind of jump into that she's

1585
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:42,120
Speaker 3: still passionate about and can have a relationship with.

1586
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 1: Well that yes, and also you know, as adults, you

1587
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 1: get a nice car. You're going on a trip something

1588
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 1: other people want to hear about as a kid. It's

1589
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 1: not kids don't want to hear that you have a

1590
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 1: famous dad. You went to LA, you met a celebrity. Like,

1591
01:10:57,439 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 1: keep all that shit tight too, Like my daughter has

1592
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:01,559
Speaker 1: me is a mom and she can meet anybody. We're

1593
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:04,679
Speaker 1: going to a private concert with Adam Sandler next week.

1594
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 1: It's meet Justin Bieberd serenaded her. It's it's endless and

1595
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:09,880
Speaker 1: she doesn't even care if she's not jaded, but like,

1596
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 1: keep that shit.

1597
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:13,720
Speaker 2: She doesn't even keep that shit tight too.

1598
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, So don't be braggy at all because it'll backfire too.

1599
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 3: Oh, backfire. So like Dorothy went to go see Taylor

1600
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 3: Swift three times this past summer, right, you know what

1601
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 3: I mean? And those are like very special tickets and

1602
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:27,640
Speaker 3: friends and friends of friends on right right right, like

1603
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 3: twice in Santa Clara went in LA and whatever. But anyway,

1604
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 3: so I remember back in the third grade when when

1605
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 3: she would come home and she was like upset that

1606
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 3: like this girl had said something. And then she got

1607
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 3: you know, the other group of friends together and they

1608
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:42,639
Speaker 3: started talking about me. I'm like, this is kind of crazy.

1609
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 3: I'm like, Dorothy, what happened like ten steps before that? Right?

1610
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:47,560
Speaker 3: So you tell me about the explosion?

1611
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 2: Oh fair?

1612
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:51,559
Speaker 1: And she definitely is culpable a little bit something. She

1613
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 1: can't be perfect, right, this.

1614
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 3: Is what I'm saying. So all of a sudden, it's

1615
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 3: like it's like, you know, okay, you know it ended

1616
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 3: up with some girl calling another girl fat, right, which

1617
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:03,519
Speaker 3: is horrifying. And then but if you go back like

1618
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:07,639
Speaker 3: ten steps, there's this thing where I feel like, if

1619
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:12,759
Speaker 3: somebody has the sunshine and a group conversation that another

1620
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 3: girl feels like they have to steal the sunshine, yecause

1621
01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 3: you can't let that girl have the sunshine. So this

1622
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:21,639
Speaker 3: is so I'm talking about like third graders here, right. Yeah,

1623
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:23,840
Speaker 3: I went to lunch right because it seems like all

1624
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 3: that it was all going down at lunchtime and then

1625
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:28,679
Speaker 3: on the playground. So I would sit down for lunch

1626
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 3: and I would listen to the girls start talking about this,

1627
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 3: and what you're talking about, bragging was part of it, right,

1628
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:36,120
Speaker 3: So one girl. Because these girls don't know each other,

1629
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 3: and they only know each other by proximity because their

1630
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 3: parents live in the same community. Other than that, they

1631
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 3: wouldn't necessarily know each other, know each other, or would

1632
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 3: they even be friends. So they're friends by proxy. They

1633
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 3: go to school together, so they're just saying, yeah, they're

1634
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 3: in the same tribe, but they're not friends friends right,

1635
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 3: So one hundred and eighty days a year they to

1636
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 3: the same country club, they got exactly they got to

1637
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 3: make small talk for one hundred in eighty days a year. Yep,

1638
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:03,800
Speaker 3: they got to they got to chit chat with each other, right,

1639
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:06,880
Speaker 3: And so I would I sat down, sat down for lunch,

1640
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 3: and then I would listen to her friends start talking

1641
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 3: to each other. And then one would say, we're going

1642
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:16,280
Speaker 3: to Tahoe, We're going skiing this weekend, right, just to

1643
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 3: talk about something. And another girl would say, oh, yeah,

1644
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:22,880
Speaker 3: well we're going to Veil one up right, one up right,

1645
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 3: And then the girl it's like like, oh, you've never

1646
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 3: been to Veil, or we're going to Veil right, And

1647
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:30,760
Speaker 3: then then they would challenge each other on who is

1648
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:32,240
Speaker 3: the real snowboarder or who.

1649
01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:34,559
Speaker 1: But you're saying what I just said fifty five miles

1650
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 1: an hour, keep it in the middle, just just don't look,

1651
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 1: you don't have to engage, just like that's so nice,

1652
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 1: amazing be positive about them. Don't tell anyone, don't show

1653
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:43,440
Speaker 1: anyone in your cards.

1654
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:47,559
Speaker 3: But nobody teaches these kids how to listen and how

1655
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 3: to be friends, right, nobody. You do well because I

1656
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:55,600
Speaker 3: had to identify the situation first and foremost. I'm like,

1657
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 3: I'm like Dorothy. Like. So, if somebody says to you, hey,

1658
01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:02,720
Speaker 3: we're going skiing in Tahoe this weekend, your next response is, all,

1659
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:03,839
Speaker 3: that sounds amazing.

1660
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:04,720
Speaker 2: It's wonderful.

1661
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 3: That's wonderful. When you guys leaving, all that's great. Do

1662
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:10,280
Speaker 3: you ski or do you snowboard? Oh? You snowboard. I've

1663
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 3: still bored a couple of times. I don't that great

1664
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 3: at it, but but that sounds I'm really happy for you.

1665
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 3: That sounds amazing. And give them the sunshine, give them

1666
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 3: the full sunshine. I never said, because they'll give it

1667
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:23,640
Speaker 3: back to you when it's your turn. But if you

1668
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:25,880
Speaker 3: steal it, they're just gonna steal it back. I like that,

1669
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 3: and then it's the same.

1670
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 1: But the thing is, then I made a glass and

1671
01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:33,759
Speaker 1: we don't want we know how. I know how painful

1672
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:35,559
Speaker 1: it was. I know what sixth grade was, I know

1673
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:37,920
Speaker 1: what being ganged up was. I lived through it. It's

1674
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:39,640
Speaker 1: part of who I am. It's why I'm successful, It's

1675
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 1: why you who you are. Like they're gonna have to

1676
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 1: get dirty and get dinged up. It's a brand new

1677
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:46,200
Speaker 1: car and it's gonna have to get some scratches.

1678
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:48,880
Speaker 3: I totally understand that. And and and it's the reason

1679
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:50,639
Speaker 3: I pulled my kids out of private school and put

1680
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 3: them in public school for high school because you know,

1681
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 3: going to a school with like thirty six kids in

1682
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 3: your whole grade, thirty six your whole grade, it's not Yeah,

1683
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:00,680
Speaker 3: it's not real life. Like you're going to bump into

1684
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:02,760
Speaker 3: different people that are gonna have like different opinions, and

1685
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 3: they look different. And some kids are cool and some

1686
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 3: kids are rich, and some kids are you know whatever,

1687
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 3: and and you're just you're gonna have like, you know,

1688
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:12,880
Speaker 3: it's like New York, right, Like people just live peacefully

1689
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 3: together because they're just you know, eight million people pile

1690
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 3: up in one one big island. So but my my

1691
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 3: uh takeaway from that as a parent was, you know,

1692
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 3: the ability trying to teach your children, the ability to

1693
01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:33,960
Speaker 3: listen and and to not feel like you whatever you're

1694
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 3: thinking off the top of your head, just file it away.

1695
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, right, Not everything needs to

1696
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 2: be said.

1697
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 3: I don't need to jump into this conversation and tell

1698
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 3: you exactly what I think about or what's reminding me

1699
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 3: of what you're saying that I have a similar experience.

1700
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:52,759
Speaker 3: Just let somebody have the floor. Let them have the floor.

1701
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 2: Well, that's how acting.

1702
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 1: If you're in your own head, think about your next line,

1703
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:58,320
Speaker 1: you should just be in their thing.

1704
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:00,719
Speaker 2: And you don't have to pull out your every hand.

1705
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:02,600
Speaker 2: You're right, you don't, ye.

1706
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 3: So, so if you give someone and so that was

1707
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 3: my life lesson because I with her and I think

1708
01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 3: it's it's it's a valuable life lesson for anybody who

1709
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 3: wants to be successful is you have to be a

1710
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:19,679
Speaker 3: really really good listener and you have to give other

1711
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:22,759
Speaker 3: people the floor because they will have so much respect

1712
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 3: for you because you are reading as their friend because

1713
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 3: you're listening, which is such a valuable uh skill to

1714
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:38,600
Speaker 3: own such of that from a leadership standpoint, learn to

1715
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 3: listen and be present and be supportive of somebody else's

1716
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:45,760
Speaker 3: life and not feel like everything because it's like this

1717
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:47,920
Speaker 3: narcissistic thing like you have to kind of butt in

1718
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:50,639
Speaker 3: and tell everybody about what your version of what their

1719
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:53,639
Speaker 3: story is, to derail it, to take them off track,

1720
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:56,599
Speaker 3: to put the sunshine on you. And and it's such

1721
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:59,520
Speaker 3: a it's such a shallow way to have a communicator,

1722
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:03,599
Speaker 3: have a conversation with somebody. It's so true, so shallow.

1723
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 3: Listen to somebody else and give them the floor. I

1724
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:07,559
Speaker 3: don't need to jump in. I don't need to tell

1725
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 3: you like what I do or or where I ski

1726
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 3: whatever it is, it's irrelevant. You're telling me about your

1727
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:15,080
Speaker 3: story of you guys going to ta who's going skiing

1728
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 3: for the weekend. And I'm so pumped for you.

1729
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:20,680
Speaker 1: You'll have your moment. That's such a true that's a

1730
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:24,680
Speaker 1: great You'll have your moment. That's a great note. It's

1731
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:28,920
Speaker 1: a great note. And it's been so's it's it's funny

1732
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:32,080
Speaker 1: to think about this environment and this show, and I'm

1733
01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:35,640
Speaker 1: thinking about you and like other chefs, and where the

1734
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 1: line is. There was the last thing I'll say. There

1735
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 1: was a show Watch What Happens Live, and there was

1736
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:43,160
Speaker 1: a woman sitting down, this woman Heather, and I guess

1737
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:45,120
Speaker 1: she sold her house for like one hundred and something

1738
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 1: million dollars. And so they have this character so Andy

1739
01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:50,679
Speaker 1: doesn't have to ask the question. It's like the shady whale.

1740
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 1: I think it's called like a shady whale. And the

1741
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:58,679
Speaker 1: question that the shady whale asked her was who on

1742
01:17:58,800 --> 01:17:59,479
Speaker 1: your show?

1743
01:17:59,720 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 3: Who?

1744
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 1: Who's house on your show would sell for the least money.

1745
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:10,439
Speaker 1: So this person is tasked on a show that she's

1746
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:12,640
Speaker 1: there to promote whatever she's doing. So you're promoting your

1747
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 1: cookbook on the show whatever, and your tasked with asking

1748
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 1: a question effectively, who's the poorest housewife in the group?

1749
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 1: And the woman who she said that? She said, and

1750
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 1: the host Andy said who he thought it would be

1751
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:31,360
Speaker 1: the poorest housewife. And then that housewife who wasn't even

1752
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 1: on the show, sent in a video saying there are

1753
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:37,800
Speaker 1: six women, only four own their homes. I am one

1754
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:40,840
Speaker 1: of that for and I'm also twenty years younger. But

1755
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:43,320
Speaker 1: she felt like she had had to explain herself for

1756
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:46,759
Speaker 1: being what is perceived to be, I guess the poorest

1757
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 1: person on that show. Can you imagine if at your

1758
01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:57,080
Speaker 1: school someone said Jane has the poorest house of anybody

1759
01:18:57,120 --> 01:19:00,080
Speaker 1: at school, Like the kid will be expelled, but you

1760
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:02,599
Speaker 1: would want the kids If someone said to your child,

1761
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:07,599
Speaker 1: you have the dirtiest house the ugliest test you would

1762
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:09,679
Speaker 1: call the principle and be like, I want you expect.

1763
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 1: So this is what we have women doing, grown women

1764
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:15,360
Speaker 1: that are in their fifties saying that someone else has

1765
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:17,200
Speaker 1: a poor house, Like what is going on?

1766
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:21,840
Speaker 3: So I always think that the best gift you can

1767
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 3: give your children is to be their inner voice. You

1768
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:31,720
Speaker 3: want to be their inner voice when they're having these

1769
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 3: existential conversations about do I take a left turn or

1770
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:37,719
Speaker 3: take a right turn? You want to be the voice

1771
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:39,599
Speaker 3: that pops up in their head, that gives them, gives

1772
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 3: them good advice. And this is my thing exactly. So

1773
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:48,719
Speaker 3: there is a pathway for women to have very deep,

1774
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 3: meaningful friendships. And my wife has them all the time.

1775
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 3: She has her friend circle are so deep, her ride

1776
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 3: or guy friends are so deep. And then she instills

1777
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 3: in our order those same principles on how to be

1778
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 3: a good friend, which I think will carry you for

1779
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:08,679
Speaker 3: the rest of your life. And I think that's a really,

1780
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 3: really great suit. I think Real Housewives, And again I'm

1781
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 3: saying this from a dude's point of view because I

1782
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:14,639
Speaker 3: don't know watch the show, and I don't only I don't

1783
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:16,599
Speaker 3: really watch, I mean, I don't really watch Food Network.

1784
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 3: I mean still like I watch a lot of television

1785
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:20,800
Speaker 3: because I work at restaurants at night, right, But but

1786
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:24,880
Speaker 3: I think watching this stuff, my takeaway is like I

1787
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 3: would never want my daughter to talk to somebody else

1788
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:32,760
Speaker 3: like that because she's not going to win, right, She's

1789
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:34,840
Speaker 3: not gonna win like this sort of shit talk back

1790
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:36,640
Speaker 3: and forth game. It kind of goes on with with

1791
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:40,560
Speaker 3: like that. It's just because it might feel like salacious

1792
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:43,280
Speaker 3: in the moment. It might feel like such like juicy

1793
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:46,760
Speaker 3: gossip suit, like tell me spill the tea, right right,

1794
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:50,719
Speaker 3: This like toxic thing that kind of goes back and forth,

1795
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:53,120
Speaker 3: and then you can get caught into it too, right,

1796
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:56,400
Speaker 3: Like if you're like talking shit about somebody and you

1797
01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 3: think it's like a private line and you think you're

1798
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:01,719
Speaker 3: you know, you're in safe space, and then that message

1799
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 3: gets back to that person and then they're going to

1800
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 3: fill it back to you.

1801
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:06,160
Speaker 2: That's what the show is.

1802
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:07,120
Speaker 3: And I was good at it.

1803
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:07,760
Speaker 2: That's sad.

1804
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:11,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've evolved. I'm trying to better myself. So yes,

1805
01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 1: I think I'm a good example for my daughter like

1806
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 1: you are for yours. And I think that's that's why

1807
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:18,759
Speaker 1: I do enjoy doing the show and talking to people

1808
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:20,559
Speaker 1: like you who haven't haven't watched, because I feel like

1809
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:25,080
Speaker 1: watching these situations can be paid forward into good lessons

1810
01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:25,639
Speaker 1: for our kids.

1811
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:26,919
Speaker 2: So you were amazing.

1812
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:28,640
Speaker 1: It's funny because you came on and we were like

1813
01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:30,920
Speaker 1: not even talking about the show, and we ended up

1814
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:34,840
Speaker 1: really crystallizing the show. So I really I love talking

1815
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:36,880
Speaker 1: to you, and I really appreciate you doing this with me.

1816
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:40,679
Speaker 3: I so appreciate you having me. I'm a big fan,

1817
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:41,439
Speaker 3: been a big fan.

1818
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:41,760
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1819
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:47,559
Speaker 3: And I think you are such a wonderful role model

1820
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:51,400
Speaker 3: on how to be independently successful and not take no

1821
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:55,679
Speaker 3: for an answer and drive your own ship and when

1822
01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:58,920
Speaker 3: and I think you from a businesswoman's point of view,

1823
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 3: are one of the most interesting stories in the last

1824
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:03,600
Speaker 3: like twenty thirty years.

1825
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 2: Well, I really appreciate it.

1826
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:08,000
Speaker 3: Who's done what you've done? I mean, like and you know,

1827
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:10,200
Speaker 3: being like blue collar. I grew up blue collar, I

1828
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 3: had nothing like nobody ever gave me a thing. I

1829
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:16,519
Speaker 3: paid everything I've ever had, I've either earned or paid

1830
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:21,240
Speaker 3: for it myself. And so my success is so valuable

1831
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:24,800
Speaker 3: to me and so frow yes, and I never forget it.

1832
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 3: And today my goal is to work harder at fifty

1833
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:31,040
Speaker 3: two years of age, as successful as I am. I'm

1834
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:33,760
Speaker 3: working harder today than I worked yesterday, right, because I'm

1835
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:36,720
Speaker 3: not done. Wow, I'm not done yet. Right, I'm not

1836
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 3: done yet. And I don't think you're done yet.

1837
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:41,200
Speaker 1: No, I'm not done. It's just different. You're doing things differently,

1838
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:44,800
Speaker 1: working smarter. It's harder, but it's more in my mind,

1839
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:46,719
Speaker 1: and it's more in strategy, and it's more in chess

1840
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:50,040
Speaker 1: than it is in physical labor. Like my mind it

1841
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:52,760
Speaker 1: always has been always going, but it's really it's sort

1842
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:55,559
Speaker 1: of like you're now really fine tuning it. You get

1843
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:57,680
Speaker 1: the you know, you're really molding it, you know, like

1844
01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:00,120
Speaker 1: whatever it is in cooking, Like now the sauce is

1845
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 1: getting deep and rich and like you know, reducing and

1846
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:06,720
Speaker 1: it's got depth of flavor versus just like you know,

1847
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:08,800
Speaker 1: adding salt and it's going to taste good, Like it's

1848
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:11,479
Speaker 1: getting deeper. So I like that at this age it's

1849
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:13,280
Speaker 1: a good age for a career because you're kind of

1850
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:15,960
Speaker 1: really quality not quantity with it.

1851
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:17,960
Speaker 3: Do you love your fifties. I love my fifties.

1852
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:19,000
Speaker 2: I love my fifties.

1853
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:21,360
Speaker 1: I mean part of it is like thinking about health

1854
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:24,200
Speaker 1: things that are different, and it's more boring in certain ways,

1855
01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:26,000
Speaker 1: Like some parts of it's are boring because like used

1856
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:28,240
Speaker 1: to go out and dance and get wasted. Like it's

1857
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:31,599
Speaker 1: not the same in that way, but it does. It's deeper.

1858
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:32,639
Speaker 2: It's what I was just saying.

1859
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:36,320
Speaker 1: I try to go to and I'm with Paul, my fiance,

1860
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:38,679
Speaker 1: I go to bed at like ten. When I'm by myself,

1861
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:40,920
Speaker 1: I go at like eleven thirty. Yeah, I'm like, he's

1862
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:41,679
Speaker 1: a better influence.

1863
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:43,800
Speaker 3: Like I'm dead.

1864
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:45,240
Speaker 2: I just can't write. That's what I'm saying.

1865
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:48,920
Speaker 1: So you know what's exciting now is like a good

1866
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:51,000
Speaker 1: night's sleep is the most exciting thing in the world.

1867
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:56,200
Speaker 1: Like your coffee, like your ice coffee hitting perfectly, Like every.

1868
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:57,000
Speaker 2: Day it's a new adventure.

1869
01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:59,240
Speaker 1: Like some days you just do the poor differently and

1870
01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:01,559
Speaker 1: some days it's it's just not so when it hits like,

1871
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:05,160
Speaker 1: these are the big wins. So you know, good night's

1872
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:07,840
Speaker 1: sleep and and my sleep track are telling me that

1873
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:08,800
Speaker 1: I got seven and a half.

1874
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:10,960
Speaker 2: I'll talk about that all day. That's like a big win.

1875
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:12,960
Speaker 3: That's great.

1876
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:15,800
Speaker 1: Well, let's get together at some point. But it's so

1877
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:18,120
Speaker 1: good talking to you, all right.

1878
01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 2: You bring some steak.

1879
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 1: Okay, bring the toaster and the air fry and some croquettes.

1880
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:23,760
Speaker 3: Maybe I'll bring some air fry.

1881
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:26,479
Speaker 1: We need to air fry something Anon between now and

1882
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:28,280
Speaker 1: then do some R and D. I mean, what the fuck,

1883
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:30,719
Speaker 1: just to get a bagel, get some get some dumplings,

1884
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:32,120
Speaker 1: and air for I'm gonna get you the best ship

1885
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 1: to air fry. Just try it right, You're not that busy.