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Speaker 2: J Matt.

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Speaker 1: You know what, after some time off, you and I

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Speaker 1: got back in the saddle and there there is Actually

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Speaker 1: there's been a lot going on this week and we've

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Speaker 1: got a little story that broke yesterday, which is good

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Speaker 1: for us, and it's something we've been banging on. I've

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Speaker 1: been banging on the show for about six months. They

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Speaker 1: hate me in Pittsburgh and once again they're not gonna

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Speaker 1: like what I'm gonna say here.

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Speaker 3: Good Friday to you. You ready to go?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let's rock and roll?

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Speaker 3: Okay? So TJ.

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Speaker 1: Watt after our show yesterday, who's a great player. He's

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Speaker 1: an absolutely great player. There's no disputing that deserves the money.

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Speaker 1: Happy for him, three year deal, one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 1: three million dollar extension. So this goes back to great player,

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Speaker 1: deserves the money. I don't question the player. I question

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Speaker 1: the direction of the Pittsburgh Steelers. It's like I don't

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Speaker 1: question the power and the brilliance and the influence of Meta.

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Speaker 1: I question the direction of metaverse. Are we all so

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Speaker 1: miserable with our lives we're going to be wearing headsets

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Speaker 1: around all day. It's not the technology, it's the application

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Speaker 1: of the technology with Meta. And that's how I feel

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Speaker 1: about Pittsburgh. It's not the talent of JJ Watt, it's

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Speaker 1: how they prioritize defense. And frankly, their defense isn't that good.

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Speaker 1: It's four straight years it's been out of the top

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Speaker 1: because that's all that matters in this sport. January, if

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Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steelers, they've given up twenty eight to thirty one,

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Speaker 1: forty two, forty eight and forty five. They give up

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Speaker 1: forty points a game, so like they're spending all this

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Speaker 1: money on the wrong side of the ball and they're

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Speaker 1: not dominant. Well, they've gotten better on defense and they've

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Speaker 1: gotten worse on offense because the league's changed. They are

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Speaker 1: completely disfunctional on offense. Last year, this is hard to do.

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Speaker 1: With the talent they had, it was hard to do.

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Speaker 1: They were twenty ninth in the red zone. How they

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Speaker 1: It's almost impossible. So when I look at Pittsburgh, my

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Speaker 1: tickets don't hate the player, hate the direction, hate what

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Speaker 1: they prioritized.

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Speaker 3: Why can't they watch.

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Speaker 1: The Rams and the Niners and the Lions and the

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Speaker 1: Chiefs and the Eagles and the Bills. Your defense cheap

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Speaker 1: and young. Pay one great defensive player. I'd be all

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Speaker 1: for paying JJ Watt this if the rest of your

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Speaker 1: Steelers need a more balanced football diet. The league went

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Speaker 1: into ProTem and they're all carbs, and what is their answer?

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Speaker 1: He's going to solve everything. He's going to solve their

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Speaker 1: unbalanced diet. So again, it's not TJ.

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Speaker 3: Watt.

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Speaker 1: Look around at the winning his teams here, Detroit's on fire, Buffalo,

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Speaker 1: Kansas City, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Rams, they're key. They're giving

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Speaker 1: up defensive players. And again I've talked to multiple on this.

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Speaker 1: Pay for a TJ. Watt, pay for a Chris Jones,

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Speaker 5: It's not like they're loaded up offensively, and that's going

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Speaker 1: It's not the player, it's the prioritization of the defensive

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Speaker 3: It's not anti TJ. Watt.

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Speaker 1: He is worth the money. I think he leaves the

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Speaker 1: this play to the next story the Dallas Cowboys. Next

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Speaker 1: up is Michah Parsons. So the Cowboys tend to wait

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Speaker 1: two years of TJ Wat's production, he is better than

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Speaker 1: Michah parsons last two years of production. But it's kind

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Speaker 1: of close. If I was Micah Parsons and I was MICHAEH.

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Speaker 1: Parsons agent, I'd want eighty five percent, I mean of

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Speaker 1: Watt's got thirty sacks. I got twenty six. He got

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Speaker 1: an argument. If TJ. Wat's getting forty one million, Mike

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Speaker 1: and I've said this before, there's only one or two

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Speaker 1: Rams are going to have this with Jared Verse. Pay

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Speaker 1: Now they're going to have Mike at top of the market.

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Speaker 1: And so do I think Michael Parsons is worth that?

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Speaker 1: But Dallas is trapped because Jerry has too much influence

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Speaker 1: whereas Philadelphia can move off stars and the Rams can

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Speaker 1: Dallas almost can't afford not to can't afford Michael Parsons.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's where they're at.

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Speaker 1: So it's and this is every business, including the one

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Speaker 1: I work for, is that you know, the better job

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Speaker 1: you have more flexibility. And so like the Eagles, the Chiefs,

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Speaker 1: the Rams, the Ravens have incredible flexibility. They move off

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Speaker 1: they can move off guys because they draft well. Dallas

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Speaker 1: deeper the roster, the more flexibility the company has. And

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Speaker 1: the last five general managers to win Super Bowls? Do

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Speaker 1: you think it's a coincidence? Howie Roseman considered the best

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Speaker 1: Brett Veach argument, second best, Less need Rams, Jason light

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Speaker 1: who I've talked about for years.

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Speaker 1: You're looking right there at four of the top probably

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Speaker 1: Seahawks is way up there. So the better GM, the

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Speaker 1: better the scouting department, the better you draft, the more

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Speaker 1: flexibility you have to move off players. I do think

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Speaker 1: there's about thirty guys in the league tops.

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Speaker 3: That you just pay for him.

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Speaker 1: Miles Garrett, Max Crosby, seven quarterbacks, six left tackle, you

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Speaker 1: just pay for him.

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Speaker 3: I don't think Mike is one of those.

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Speaker 1: But you get to a point now, because they've drafted

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Speaker 1: so with such mediocrity, did you have to overpavor Dack,

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Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb and Micah You're.

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Speaker 3: Kind of trapped. Here's Micah this week on his contract talks.

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Speaker 6: I was finna get mine no matter what. You know

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Speaker 6: what I mean, Like the markets change every year. The

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Speaker 6: They numbers got nothing to do with mine and my

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Speaker 6: numbers at nine gotta do it. I'm like, I'm younger Henderson.

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Speaker 6: I mean, Hutchington is coming off with injury. Like, everyone's

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Speaker 6: circumstances is completely different. Hutch is coming off his third year.

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Speaker 6: Usually guys week four years, so it just all depends why.

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Speaker 6: I mean, he's up there with Myles, So you know,

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Speaker 6: it's different. Everyone's circumstances different.

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Speaker 3: If TJ.

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Speaker 1: Watt gets forty one, I'm the agent for Micah Parsons,

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Speaker 1: I want thirty seven and a half. I want thirty eight,

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Speaker 1: And that gives the Cowboys three players at the top

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Speaker 1: of the market. Not great, but I kind of think

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Speaker 1: they're trapped, all right. J Mac Football Talk ready to roll.

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Speaker 7: Wait, it sounded like you think Michaeh. Parsons will be

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Speaker 7: okay with thirty eight when TJ. Watt got forty one.

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Speaker 7: There's no world where Michael Parsons isn't demanding to be

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Speaker 7: the highest paid. He's gonna want all the money and

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Speaker 7: I think Dallas is gonna have to give it to

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Speaker 4: They don't have a choice. They mess this up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you look at the highest paid non

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the league. I don't have a lot of trouble.

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Speaker 1: I mean, again, take out the teams.

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Speaker 3: I don't. TJ.

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Speaker 1: Watt leaves the NFL in sacks last five years, Jamar

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Speaker 1: Chase arguably first second best receiver, Miles Garrett is a

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Speaker 1: generational all time talent. Max Crosby I think is unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson's probably the best weapon in the league. I

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Speaker 1: don't have a problem with these. I don't think in

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Speaker 1: my opinion, Micah is not in TJ. Watt, Jamar Chase,

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Speaker 1: Miles Garrett, Max Crosby, Justin Jefferson's class, and I think

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Speaker 1: he's more of a splash player.

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Speaker 7: I think he probably is. But Colin, I'm just curious.

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Speaker 7: Let's look at those six names. Let's tally up the

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Speaker 7: playoff wins last year.

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Speaker 4: TJ.

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Speaker 7: Watt zero, Jamar Ches did not make it, Garrett did

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Speaker 7: not make it, Hunter they got the win over the Chargers,

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Speaker 7: Max Crosby and the Raiders did not make the playoffs,

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Speaker 7: and Justin Jefferson.

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Speaker 1: So all week long, off Vaca, I've been saying, don't

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Speaker 1: listen to this Lebron James stuff. He's got a no

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Speaker 1: Cody Bellinger, Corey Seeger, Max Schurzer, Manny Machado. They could

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Speaker 1: They'll pay for Otani in his prime. They'll pay for

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Speaker 1: Here's the other thing the new CBA. Lebron's too expensive

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Speaker 3: People aren't going to.

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Speaker 1: He's an old, expensive guy who doesn't want to give you.

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Speaker 1: part of what Lebron's become. You know, It's like Lebron's

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Speaker 1: But I can see Lebron looking at it, thinking, if

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Speaker 1: always been the best player on any given night, and

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Speaker 1: I honestly believe they went and got DeAndre Ayton because

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Speaker 3: Jmack with a News no news.

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Speaker 2: This is the herd line news.

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Speaker 4: As you said, we've had a big weekend news.

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Speaker 4: What three years, forty two million dollars.

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Speaker 7: Now, he popped his achilles during the playoffs, so he

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 4: What is the game plan? Why would you do this deal?

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Speaker 4: This makes no sense to her.

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Speaker 1: Well, he's a beloved player in the Rose City's absolutely beloved,

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Speaker 1: He's got musical interest, boxing interest, He's been smart with it.

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Speaker 1: He's a West Coast guy from Oakland to Weavers State

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Speaker 1: I mean people love. I mean, I worked there, Dame

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Speaker 1: is beloved in the city. He's been good with his money.

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Speaker 3: I think it. I think it works.

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Speaker 1: And they're a really really young team and they got

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Speaker 1: some money because DeAndre DeAndre and didn't fit. So and

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Speaker 1: let me tell you something. After watching Yang Hansen, I'm

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Speaker 1: just telling you he After watching that guy, I'm like maybe.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think some of its star attraction.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Portland's a dynamic economy, and I think

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Speaker 1: he gets people into the seats.

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Speaker 4: Does this strike you at all?

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Speaker 7: Like a kid who lived in this area growing up

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Speaker 7: goes away to college far away and is like not

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Speaker 7: for me, and then he comes home and then he

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Speaker 7: just goes community college and and and finish the school there.

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Speaker 7: Because I don't coll h this doesn't make sense. Daan

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Speaker 7: Willard can still be a big boost to somebody in

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Speaker 7: two years.

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Speaker 4: Why wouldn't you go to a contender, Hey.

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Speaker 7: Denver, I want to go win a ring, Hey Lakers,

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Speaker 7: Hey whoever?

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Speaker 9: O KC.

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Speaker 1: That's not that's not his personality. I mean, Dame is

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Speaker 1: one of those guys that he goes back to Weaver

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Speaker 1: State every year and like gives to the university. Dame's

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Speaker 1: really into I mean, he's into boxing, he's into music,

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Speaker 1: he's into his family, He's into Portland family things. Like

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Speaker 1: He's just Dame's just one of those guys. He's very

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Speaker 1: old school. He's a very old school soul. And I

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Speaker 1: think this works for him, and I think the organization knows.

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Speaker 1: He puts butts in seats. Also, they've got a lot

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Speaker 1: of young wing and guard players. He's a good mentor,

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Speaker 1: he's a good practice guy. He's a smart guy. The

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Speaker 1: players respect him. He's a first ballot Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 1: So I think from an organizational standpoint, it just makes sense.

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Speaker 7: So you and I are similar in that you've lived

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Speaker 7: all around the country, right, I mean you lived in

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Speaker 7: like pretty much every corner I've been around, you know,

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Speaker 7: different parts.

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Speaker 4: I like that.

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Speaker 7: I don't want to stay in one place forever, But

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Speaker 7: it's tough for me to understand that, Like some people

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Speaker 7: do want that, like Dame Lillard seems.

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Speaker 4: To just want to go back to Portlow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I mean forty percent of Americans never leave

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Speaker 1: the zip code they were born in. There's nothing wrong.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it depends on the zip code

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Speaker 1: you're born in. But I think I think he's an

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Speaker 1: old soul and old school guy, very very legendarily loyal,

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Speaker 1: and Portland wants to show it.

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Speaker 4: Back loyalty and nice.

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Speaker 7: Next up to the NFL, where Justin Herbert is still

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Speaker 7: seeking his first career playoff win. Remember they got shelled

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Speaker 7: last year by Houston and Herbert's worst game of the season.

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Speaker 7: But Jim Harbaud doesn't think that loss was on Herbert. Instead,

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Speaker 7: he wants the team to be better around him.

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Speaker 10: I say that's top of mind, mister president. Is is

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Speaker 10: Justin Herbert, you know, getting him the weapons and uh

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Speaker 10: and protecting him.

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Speaker 11: Uh.

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Speaker 3: I told him same thing I told you all.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 10: You know, I think Justin's biggest weaknesses those around those

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Speaker 10: around him that he's counting on on offense. US coaches

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Speaker 10: and UH and and playmakers and and and players on offense.

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Speaker 3: We gotta we gotta get to uh.

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Speaker 10: We're gonta get to Justin Herbert's level.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, the interior O line wasn't great last year.

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Speaker 1: They need more production at tight end. They did sign

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Speaker 1: their second round wide receiver from Ole Miss I think

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Speaker 1: signed yesterday, so.

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Speaker 4: That Tray Harris.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, but they did it one step forward Trey Harris

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Speaker 7: and the other back Mike Williams, the veteran receiver.

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Speaker 4: He announced, I'm retiring. Screw this NFL stuff.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 4: You know that's what happens when you play with Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 4: you just get sick of football.

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Speaker 7: Anyways, did the running back depth chart o Marion Hampton,

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Speaker 7: Najay Harris, assuming his eye is okay, the wide receivers

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Speaker 7: Lad McConkey, Quinton Johnson, and the young kid Trey Harris,

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Speaker 7: tight end Will Disley. There's a good team. They got

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Speaker 7: Kai Beckton now at guard. He was at a good

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Speaker 7: run with the Eagles. I don't see how this is

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Speaker 7: not a ten to eleven win team college. And by

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Speaker 7: the way, their losses are not on Justin Herbert like.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean, listen.

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Speaker 1: The bottom line is, if you look at Jim Harbaugh's career,

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Speaker 1: the first year he changes the culture, it takes him

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Speaker 1: two years to change the roster to be a Jim

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Speaker 1: Harbaugh team. He now has two elite tackles and two

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Speaker 1: big time running backs and a very physical quarterback.

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Speaker 3: This is a Jim Harbor team.

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Speaker 1: First year at Michigan, he changed the culture by the

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Speaker 1: second third year at Michigan wasn't nil back then he

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Speaker 1: started changing the roster and they started playing like a

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Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh team, And so I think this is just

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Speaker 1: I think it takes a while. I thought last year

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Speaker 1: they were a tough, physical team, but they they were

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Speaker 1: so they were a bab gun offensively, they were just

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Speaker 1: so limited. I think if the kid from All Miss

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Speaker 1: Pops mcconkee, looks like to me, he's a slot, but

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Speaker 1: he looks like a one. And I think they're going

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Speaker 1: to lean on their run game. They'll probably run the

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Speaker 1: ball eight to twelve percent more than last year because

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Speaker 1: it was JK. Dobbins, who's you know, in and out

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Speaker 1: of the lineup because of injuries. So I think this

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Speaker 1: feels and looks like a hardball.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, they only had one way to win last year.

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Speaker 7: We got to control the ball, limit mistakes because.

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Speaker 4: We don't have any weapons.

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Speaker 3: Try ton't we need our behind yea, Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I mean they're playing a lot of games where they're

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Speaker 7: scoring like seventeen points.

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Speaker 4: That's not going to cut it.

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Speaker 7: In the NFL final story, Colin is, oh, everybody's beloved

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Speaker 7: Kansas City Chiefs. Well, guess what dad bod enthusiast Patrick Mahomes.

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Speaker 7: He's about to turn thirty. Oh no, wait, but he's yeah,

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Speaker 7: just about to turn thirty after Week two this season.

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Speaker 7: So he's approaching his thirtieth birthday. And here's the old

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Speaker 7: man reflecting on his twenties.

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Speaker 11: It's been a fun run, and we've We've had a

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Speaker 11: lot of great players in this building, a lot of

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Speaker 11: great people, and so it makes it enjoyable to come

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Speaker 11: to work every single day. And still got some guys

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Speaker 11: with me that's been there the whole time, and then

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Speaker 11: adding new guys gives you a new juice and a

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Speaker 11: new spirit to go out there and be even better.

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Speaker 11: And so a lot of young guys now, so just

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Speaker 11: trying to eight to them as much as I can.

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Speaker 11: But at the same time, I'm still not thirty yet,

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Speaker 11: so I feel like I can for at least right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Let's face it, if you're Buffalo or Baltimore, you're niners.

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Speaker 1: It's no fun competing in the competing. This is Tiger

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Speaker 1: in his prime.

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Speaker 7: Bro Oh, he had a good run. Now listen, this

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Speaker 7: is unequivocal. Patrick Mahomes is the greatest quarterback in his

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Speaker 7: twenties in NFL history easily and look at the numbers

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Speaker 7: before turning thirty first and wins by the lasting yards.

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Speaker 1: Touchdown to radio for our radio audience that can't see this.

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes in his twenties through for over thirty eight

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Speaker 1: thousand yards, seven division titles, five Super Bowls, winning three

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Speaker 1: in his twenties, he is right now, I would say

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Speaker 1: in the middle.

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Speaker 3: Of his peak.

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Speaker 1: His peak is going to be probably twenty six ish

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Speaker 1: to thirty thirty three ish.

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Speaker 3: He's in the middle of it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, see, I have done no playoffs. I will

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Speaker 4: say this.

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Speaker 7: The potential at wide receiver for that group, if they're healthy,

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Speaker 7: is i impressive. But the receive Rice news from this week,

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Speaker 7: you know, obviously not great. And then we got to

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Speaker 7: see what's up with Kelsey. The tackles a lot of

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Speaker 7: questions for the Tiefs.

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Speaker 4: Colin.

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Speaker 7: I think Buffalo and Baltimore are clearly better this season.

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Speaker 7: I know people don't want to hear that, but going

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Speaker 7: into the season, order those three for me. Buffalo, Baltimore,

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Speaker 7: Kansas City.

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Speaker 1: Buffalo, Baltimore, Kansas City. Oh you're with me, okay, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think everybody is sleeping on Denver does everybody get

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Speaker 1: to Denver, got Green Lawn Whufung.

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Speaker 3: On defense alone, I don't think.

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Speaker 4: People are sleeping of them.

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Speaker 7: The best defense in the league coming into the season.

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Speaker 3: They're gonna be good.

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Speaker 1: Their offensive line. I just checked this out the other day,

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Speaker 1: Like they're O line. I think PFF had them like third.

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Speaker 1: Like Sean Payton has turned that franchise around. It's amazing

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Speaker 1: what he's done. And he came to that organization. They

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Speaker 1: had the worst dead cap money situation.

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Speaker 3: In league history.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's so yeah, that division is insane. Jemckla news.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the

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Speaker 2: Herd Line. Be sure to catch live editions of The

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Speaker 7: These ball Night in America on Fox, the Red Sox

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Speaker 7: take on rising star Pete Crow Armstrong in the Cubs

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Speaker 7: or the Cardinals battles at Diamondbacks.

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Speaker 7: Game in your area Tomorrow at sevent eastern on Fox.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why I'm in such a good mood today, Jamie.

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Speaker 1: I'm fired up for Dana White Top of the Hour

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Speaker 1: because there's a huge fight this weekend.

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Speaker 3: It's one of the better fights in the UFC in

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Speaker 3: a long time.

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Speaker 1: It's a you know, your classic trilogy where it's two

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Speaker 1: guys fighting for the third time. One's a power guy,

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Speaker 1: one's a volume guy. It's going to be great and

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about that.

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Speaker 3: So I had.

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Speaker 1: And I said this. I've said, you gotta be careful

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Speaker 1: about July and August. And I think the audience as

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Speaker 1: you watch or listen to me, you know, it's our

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Speaker 1: dead time. You're out of your habits, you're golfing more,

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Speaker 1: you're taking more time off, you're taking Fridays off. And

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Speaker 1: in this time of the year, I always try to

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Speaker 1: be cautious because like these Lebron stories come out of

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Speaker 1: nowhere and people are just trying to fill space. This

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Speaker 1: is like the slowest week of the year and in

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Speaker 1: our in our business. But there's actually been there's been

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Speaker 1: some stories. And so all the stuff I'm seeing created

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Speaker 1: and generated.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, don't, don't, don't, don't.

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Speaker 1: But there is one I'm willing to create and generate,

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Speaker 1: and that is Nick Saban to the NFL. So Greg McElroy,

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Speaker 1: somebody I respect a lot, played that Bama knows Bamy.

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Speaker 1: He's a big talk show host in the South, totally

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Speaker 1: connected to BAMA when he goes out and Greg says,

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Speaker 1: I am hearing Saban getting back into coaching. Believe it

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean he will. But if he's hearing it, then

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Speaker 1: it's Nick and Jimmy Sexton talking to either BAMA or

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Speaker 1: somebody else. And Nick is not an old guy. He

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Speaker 1: may be old in age, he's not old in spirit, intellect, drive, energy,

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Speaker 1: he's not. I don't know Nick that well, been around

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Speaker 1: him a couple of times, but he's a very impressive guy.

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Speaker 3: He's got a.

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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll feel. He's not his age. Some guys are

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Speaker 1: old and look at and feel it and talk it.

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Speaker 1: That's not Nick. So I had Urban Meyer on yesterday,

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Speaker 1: who is a friend and knows a lot of how

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Speaker 1: Nick thinks. And I posed a question. I said, I

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Speaker 1: think he's going back into coaching. If Greg McElroy said it,

657
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Speaker 1: Lane Kiffen knows him well said it. I said, he

658
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Speaker 1: may not, but he's gonna listen at least to pro offers.

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Speaker 3: Here's Urban I have not talked to him about this.

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Speaker 12: I could guess because I know him fairly well and

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Speaker 12: competed against him, that it's not a little scratch. It's

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Speaker 12: probably a pretty big scratch that that's the one area

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Speaker 12: that he is not you know, you know, he, like

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Speaker 12: you said, he's getting things going at Miami. I actually

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Speaker 12: visited him when he was down there. But I don't

666
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Speaker 12: think he'd go back to college. I don't see that fit.

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Speaker 12: I would say very little to no chance he would

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Speaker 12: get involved in college. But I think he would take

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Speaker 12: phone calls from the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So let's let's just think about this. There's six

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Speaker 1: to seven openings a year.

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Speaker 2: You know that.

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Speaker 1: I know that that's that's not a revelation. So let's

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Speaker 1: look at the last five years of coaching hires. Who

675
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Speaker 1: has turned around a program overnight? Who's an A plus?

676
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Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh took a broken culture, a bad team, the

677
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Speaker 1: thirty second defense. They were number one in the league

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Speaker 1: last year. Okay, So Jim Harbaugh has been an A plus.

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Speaker 1: Hire Sean Payton disaster, Russell Wilson's contract. They led the

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Speaker 1: league in sacks last year, made the playoffs with a

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Speaker 1: rookie quarterback in a division with Harbaugh, Herbert, Annie Reid

682
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Speaker 1: and Mahomes. Okay, so what do those guys have? Pedigree?

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Speaker 1: They're championship level coaches college are pro These are great

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Speaker 1: pedigree coaches. Well, Saban's that. Let's look at two other

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Speaker 1: guys who are really successful. We don't consider Dan Campbell

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Speaker 1: to be good as good as Harball, don't. We don't

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Speaker 1: consider Nick Serry to be Sean Payton. But they've been

688
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Speaker 1: really successful. Why because they have great general managers in

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Speaker 1: great front offices. So they're good enough coaches with great personnel.

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Speaker 1: Oh wait, Saban's good at that too. Saban gives you

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Speaker 1: the pedigree of a championship winning coach, best college coach ever,

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Speaker 1: and he gives you the player personnel expertise. There's two

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Speaker 1: college coaches that I would always trust, maybe three or

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Speaker 1: four all time with being in the draft room and

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Speaker 1: making calls. Jim Harbaugh is one of them. Nick Saban's another.

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson's won. And when Pete Carroll got out of

697
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Speaker 1: USC for the first four years, let Pete run the

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Speaker 1: Let Pete run the draft. Saban knows personnel, so pedigree

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Speaker 1: and personnel excellence he gives you both. So and the

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Speaker 1: other thing to remember, College baseball and Major League baseball

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Speaker 1: are two different sports. College basketball, which is possession basketball,

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Speaker 1: and the NBA, which is a bullet train or two

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Speaker 1: different sports. The NFL and college football are kind of similar.

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Speaker 1: Coach is going to bounce back and forth a lot

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Speaker 1: of the same schemes, and now that you're paying players

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Speaker 1: at the college level, they're very similar. Nick Saban dealt

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Speaker 1: with that for two years having a cap a general manager,

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Speaker 1: so they're very, very similar. The facilities at Bama the

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Speaker 1: NIL the cap. Nick knows what he's doing and he's

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Speaker 1: been to the NFL before, so and the otter thing

711
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Speaker 1: is Nixon SEC guy knows the Manning family well. If

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Speaker 1: arch Manning plays well, if he plays at like a

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Speaker 1: V plus a minus level, he's going number one in

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Speaker 1: the draft. Cleveland very likely is going to be the

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Speaker 1: worst team in the league, and it's not nobody's going

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Speaker 1: to lose sleep with that. Arch Manning and Cleveland, the

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Speaker 1: owners Jimmy Haslam, a huge sec Tennessee booster who loves headlines, Baker,

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Speaker 1: Johnny Mansel, Deshaun Watson at his own peril, Arch Manning

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Speaker 1: and Nick Saban make the Cleveland Browns, for an owner

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Speaker 1: who loves chasing lines, the most interesting team in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Not I'm saying the best they would be the most

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Speaker 1: interesting team in the NFL. So, I mean, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: have six seven new openings. I'm guaranteeing you right now.

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Speaker 1: If Nick is interested, half those teams call him. And

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Speaker 1: unlike Harball, Harbaugh had such a intense personality a lot

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Speaker 1: of NFL teams were not interested. Minnesota reportedly said no thanks,

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Speaker 1: So he had a smaller market. That's not Sam saman

728
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Speaker 1: ingratiates himself. Saman gets along with everybody. Media likes him,

729
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Speaker 1: coaches like him, Belichick likes him, Everybody likes Nick.

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Speaker 3: Nick's Nick.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the team playing him doesn't like Nick, but Nick

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Speaker 1: gets along with a lot of people. He can be

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Speaker 1: self deprecating. You know, Jim Harbaugh's personality, He's lightened up

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Speaker 1: a lot in the NFL. I mean, Jim Harbaugh is

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Speaker 1: like a different guy than he was two years ago.

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Speaker 1: But there was a smaller market for Harbaugh because he

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Speaker 1: was such an Remember that pad on the back of

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Speaker 1: Jim Schwartz, like he was so intense. Now he's not

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Speaker 1: as intense. Jim's you know Jim now is it's like

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Speaker 1: it's the Twilight Years.

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Speaker 3: He's in a great mood.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's Herbert, but I think Saban's easy to talk to.

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Speaker 1: There's going to be six to seven openings. And remember this,

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Speaker 1: here's another reason why I'm on this. Two other reasons.

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Speaker 1: First of all, On three is a great website, great business.

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Speaker 1: They do recruiting. This week they released like the top

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Speaker 1: twelve teams in college football NIL collective. Bama is nowhere

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Speaker 1: to be seen. Even Auburn made the list, meaning Bama's

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Speaker 1: not going to bring Saban back. They can't afford him.

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Speaker 1: They can't buy out Kaitlin and the board for seventy

751
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: million and spend fifteen million on players and give Nick

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Speaker 1: a new seventy million dollar contract. They don't have the money.

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Speaker 1: They're doing car washes and bake sales. They don't have

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Speaker 1: the money.

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Speaker 3: In the NIL.

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Speaker 1: Auburn's got more money because they have a couple of

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Speaker 1: Richard Boosters. And the other thing is because of the

758
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: NIL and because what colleges make now is these college coaches,

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Speaker 1: if they think they're going to get fired, they'll get

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Speaker 1: a next You know, well, Brian Kelly, a Lincoln Riley,

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Speaker 1: a Kaylin de boor their universities aren't going to get

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Speaker 1: rid of them, so they're going to stay in the

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Speaker 1: college level, not roll the dice. Lincoln Riley's not gonna.

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Speaker 1: You know, in the old days, if Lincoln was in trouble,

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Speaker 1: he'd have his agent right now talking to NFL teams.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't.

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Speaker 1: He wants to see this thing through US. He's recruiting

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Speaker 1: class is great for twenty twenty six, and they can't

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Speaker 1: get rid of him US. He just paid three hundred

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Speaker 1: million for facilities. They're paying eighteen million, I'm told for nil.

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Speaker 1: They're not spending eighty million dollars to buy Lincoln out.

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Speaker 1: Lincoln knows it. So you don't have these college coaches

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Speaker 1: in these contracts. They're not looking at the NFL. Years ago,

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Speaker 1: Brian Kelly had like three years left on his deal

775
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Speaker 1: and he had his agents calling the NFL.

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Speaker 3: He was snooping around.

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Speaker 1: They're not doing that anymore because the universities can't get

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Speaker 1: rid of them. So I'm and this is nothing against

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00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: the show he's on an ESPN. It's not about that,

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Speaker 1: even though when I watched that show, I always feel

781
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Speaker 1: like I want more Nick because I think he's so

782
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Speaker 1: smart and so electric on television. But this is the

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Speaker 1: one story in the slowest time of the year that

784
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Speaker 1: I will generate because I believe it to be true,

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Speaker 1: is that we're going to have six openings. The college

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Speaker 1: guys aren't getting fired like they used to. Arch Manning

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Speaker 1: going to Cleveland. Jimmy Haslam loves headlines, By the way.

788
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Speaker 1: The other guy that loves headlines Jerry Jones. The criticism

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Speaker 1: of Jerry for years, even in Jerry's prime, was he's

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Speaker 1: more interested in the headlines than he is the Super Bowls,

791
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Speaker 1: because after he won them with Jimmy, it's like, Okay,

792
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Speaker 1: I got my trophy, I got my legacy, I.

793
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 3: Got my money. I want the headlines.

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Speaker 1: And so I mean, if you're telling me, and I

795
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Speaker 1: think Dallas is going to be bad Cleveland and Dallas

796
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Speaker 1: are in this space for the top five or six picks,

797
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Speaker 1: you're not gonna call Nick Saban.

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Speaker 3: You'd be crazy not to call him.

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Speaker 1: Coordinators in the NFL hit about thirty percent of the time.

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Speaker 1: And I think Nick Sirianni was he was in trouble

801
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Speaker 1: two years ago. He's got the best GM in the

802
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: league and the best roster. If he didn't, I think

803
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: he'd be gone. So j Mac, that is my I

804
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Speaker 1: don't even think it's a hot take. That's my story

805
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Speaker 1: in the slowest time of the year that I think

806
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Speaker 1: has legs when Urban Myers says, oh, yeah, yeah, he would,

807
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Speaker 1: he would talk to NFL teams.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, there's something out there. I like it to piggyback

809
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Speaker 7: off that you mentioned yesterday.

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Speaker 4: You thought in the NFL, you know, the coaching has

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Speaker 4: stepped up.

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Speaker 7: AFC West is the most loaded division you've ever seen.

813
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Speaker 7: Remember you challenged me find one better.

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Speaker 4: Do you remember this yesterday?

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Speaker 7: Okay, nineteen ninety NFC East, Bill Parcells with the Giants,

816
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Speaker 7: Jimmy Johnson with the Cowboys, Joe Gibson, Washington, Buddy.

817
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Speaker 4: Ryan in Philadelphia.

818
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Speaker 3: Puddy Ryan.

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Speaker 4: He was a legendary defensive coach.

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Speaker 3: He was a speed bag.