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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics. Well,

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Speaker 1: we discussed the top political headlines with some of today's

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Speaker 1: best minds and armed maga's are camped outside drop boxes

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Speaker 1: New York Times magazine and national geographic writer Robert Draper,

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Speaker 1: author of the book Weapons of Mass Illusion When the

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Speaker 1: Republican Party Lost its Mind, is gonna come by and

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Speaker 1: tell us all about well, exactly that. Then we'll talk

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Speaker 1: to Congressman Patrick Ryan, who represents New York's nineteenth district,

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Speaker 1: about his competitive race. But first we're joined by a

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Speaker 1: countdown host Keith Olberman and iHeart media podcast, but you

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Speaker 1: can hear Monday through Friday each week. Welcome to Fast Politics.

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Speaker 1: Keith Oberman on my pleasure to be here and Ted

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Speaker 1: Ted Ted in the background may not be happy about this.

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Speaker 1: I'm not the dog. I am usually the one with

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Speaker 1: the barking dogs in the background, so this is very

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Speaker 1: nice for me. I have Well, you haven't heard them

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Speaker 1: bark yet, naked really bark. There's four of them. First

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Speaker 1: of all, we're going to talk a little bit about

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Speaker 1: what's going on with many exciting things that happened this weekend,

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Speaker 1: starting with the Nazis in l A. Yeah, I just

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Speaker 1: It's just it's not a surprise. Nobody should be surprised.

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Speaker 1: It's southern California, where I lived for ten years. It's

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Speaker 1: one of the hidden racist and anti Semitic enclaves, and

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Speaker 1: the point is that all of these groups and and

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Speaker 1: faster than a lot of people expected. As in his

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Speaker 1: so was the whole the Jews run everything and we

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Speaker 1: which is basically what this messages. Those guys are from

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Speaker 1: the ones who hung the banners from the four or

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Speaker 1: understand about this entire equation of anti Semitism. If you

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Speaker 1: believe this, if you believe somewhere that what you are

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Speaker 1: spouting about Jewish people is actually true, how is it

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Speaker 1: possible that you don't expect to be thrown from that overpass?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't like it's shouldn't you guys

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Speaker 1: None of it follows any logical train. But that's the

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Speaker 1: believe if there are two responses to a threat, one

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Speaker 1: talk about Nancy Pelosi. The January six Committee wanted Trump

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Speaker 1: it's very much a Trump era book. And and and

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Speaker 1: I say Trump era advisingly because Trump, at least in theory,

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Speaker 1: there's not command center stage anymore. He's not president, and

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Speaker 1: yet he certainly has a stranglehold over the party. No

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Speaker 1: one knows that better than, for example, Republican House Minority

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Speaker 1: Leader Kevin McCarthy, who, in his never an inquest to

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Speaker 1: become Speaker of the House, he's got a plaquate the magabase.

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Speaker 1: You know, that means play kating people like Marjorie Teler Green,

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Speaker 1: but not even because he's just humoring her or is

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Speaker 1: fond of her, but because of what she represents, so

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Speaker 1: that she is the proximate warrior for Trump to the magabase.

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Speaker 1: I also think, though, and I'm curious what your hot

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Speaker 1: take on this is. It reminds me of in the

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Speaker 1: two thousands, when we were all sweet summer children, there

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Speaker 1: was the sense that small dollar donations were going to

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Speaker 1: democratize democracy. But Marjorie Taylor Green is a pretty good

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Speaker 1: examplar of how actually that is not what's happening at all. Well,

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Speaker 1: you're correct, Molly, that Green is one of the biggest

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Speaker 1: small dollar fundraisers on Capital Hilt today. But the question

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Speaker 1: is how are these donations ray They're not just you know,

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Speaker 1: people over the transom waking up one morning and deciding

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Speaker 1: to send Marjorie Taylor Green ten dollars. It's because that

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Speaker 1: seen one of her tweets comparing Biden to Hitler or

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Speaker 1: suggesting that Alexandria are explicitly saying that Alexandriacascio Cortez is

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Speaker 1: a communist and um and them being sufficiently agitated to

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Speaker 1: believe that civilization hangs in the balance that they'll then

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Speaker 1: donate portions of their retirement to someone like margor Teeler

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Speaker 1: Green in an effort to stand up in what they

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Speaker 1: believe is this kind of existential book of Revelations style battles.

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Speaker 1: I do still, you know, root at least in theory

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Speaker 1: for the positive force that small dollar donations can be

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Speaker 1: up against pac money, but it does not necessarily mean

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Speaker 1: that these are being UM solicited in a good faith manner.

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Speaker 1: And Green is a great case and point of that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's a really good point. I think about somewhere and

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Speaker 1: we were with a bunch of older people and someone

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Speaker 1: was saying, well, they've all been radicalized on Facebook. What happened? Man? Yeah? Right, well,

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Speaker 1: you know so the title of my book is Weapons

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Speaker 1: of Mass Delusion, and the real key phrase there is

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Speaker 1: mass delusion, meaning that the base of one of our

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Speaker 1: two big political parties UM has UM fallen prey to

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Speaker 1: delusion on moss and and that's happened through a steady,

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Speaker 1: really unending marinating in disinformation. The big lie is the

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Speaker 1: most obvious one, that the election was stolen, but there

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Speaker 1: have come sprung up next to that all these other

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Speaker 1: adjacent lives, that the January the six was a set up,

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Speaker 1: or that it was you know, just tourists, or that

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Speaker 1: um Antifa riled everyone up, seeing the COVID vaccines at

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Speaker 1: minimum don't work and at maximum are killers or or

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Speaker 1: or mind control from China, and that the mainstream media

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Speaker 1: is working with liberals to engineer a great replacement for

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Speaker 1: with people coming across the border. I mean, these are

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Speaker 1: these are things that that are big fed two people

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Speaker 1: on the right by this far right media ecosystem that

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Speaker 1: really didn't exist a decade ago. But now when you

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Speaker 1: go to a Trump rally, it's on the riser. You

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Speaker 1: don't see CNN and ABC, instead see Real America's Voice,

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Speaker 1: One American News News, Max bright Bart and those people

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Speaker 1: are treated like rock stars, are like a letter day

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Speaker 1: Walter Cronkite by the people in these Trump rallies. And

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Speaker 1: so that's that's where they get their news from. And

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Speaker 1: those those outlets are frankly nothing more, nothing less than

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Speaker 1: propaganda outlets at best for Trump and at worst, uh,

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Speaker 1: they are consistent spewers of lives. I was wondering if

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Speaker 1: you had a thought about Megan Kelly, who has had

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Speaker 1: this very mainstream career. Yesterday she tweeted this thing about

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Speaker 1: how vaccines are killing our children. Does that sort of

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Speaker 1: fall into this and how I think? So? Yeah, So Kelly,

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Speaker 1: someone who has taken on the guys of being like

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Speaker 1: a credible mainstream media person, but in my view, has

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Speaker 1: been a pretty dishonest actor throughout the years, has said

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Speaker 1: racially offensive things when she had her own show on

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Speaker 1: Fox News, and now, in her struggle for relevancy, continues

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Speaker 1: to make herself adjacent to the mega world, which she

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Speaker 1: had been kind of cast out of owing to her

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Speaker 1: sparring with Trump when he was a candidate in back

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Speaker 1: in And yeah, I mean that's what she's saying, they're

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Speaker 1: relating to vaccines sounds very similar to what you hear

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Speaker 1: Arizona gubernatorial candidate carry Lap say about in Arizona. We're

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Speaker 1: not going to stab, you know, these vaccines into our

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Speaker 1: precious babies. We are not going to put those filthy

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Speaker 1: masks on their faces. And she's just shy of saying, uh,

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Speaker 1: these vaccines are well of spewing basically conspiracy theories about

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Speaker 1: the vaccines and about other COVID prevention measures, and so Kelly,

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Speaker 1: once thought of as legitimate I think, you know, has

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Speaker 1: instead aligned herself more with conspiracy theories. Yeah. It's interesting

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Speaker 1: because my second son and I went and got the

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Speaker 1: booster last weekend, and very few people are getting the boosters,

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Speaker 1: so clearly this messaging is working. Yeah, well, I think

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Speaker 1: it's Yeah. I mean, there are some people I know

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Speaker 1: progressives who are just sort of done with COVID as

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Speaker 1: it were, and tired of all of this, and maybe

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Speaker 1: are weighing the side effects of the vaccines against what

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Speaker 1: they believe as a reduced risk of catching COVID. And

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Speaker 1: but you're right, there are other people who just who

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Speaker 1: who think that this is meant to be a money

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Speaker 1: maker by big farmers. Yeah, yeah, right, meant or meant

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Speaker 1: by big tech in collusion with the government to control

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Speaker 1: our lives. And yeah, these are you know, these are

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Speaker 1: originated as far right conspiracy theories but have been somewhat mainstreamed.

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Speaker 1: And there's you know, in the industry, to put it crassly,

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Speaker 1: of grifters who are profiting off of these notions. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's a traveling road show called Reawaken America in which,

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Speaker 1: if you attend one of these things and they pay

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Speaker 1: me the big bucks to do that, you can hear,

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Speaker 1: you know, upwards of forty or fifty speakers talking about

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Speaker 1: how these vaccines were basically you know, invented along with

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Speaker 1: COVID itself by the Chinese, and they're planning chips in

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Speaker 1: your head and soon, you know, we'll all be subject

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Speaker 1: to globalist domination because of the vaccines. Oh good, I

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Speaker 1: had been hoping for globalist domination because you know who

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Speaker 1: among us talk to me about where you see this going?

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Speaker 1: For one thing, I mean, I'm generally kind of a

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Speaker 1: glass is half empty person anyway, but yeah, yeah, but

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Speaker 1: it's uh and I don't mean the town now. I

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Speaker 1: think glasses have full of stryct nine. But the reality

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Speaker 1: is that, you know, when you pump disinformation into tens

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Speaker 1: of millions of people and they swallow it whole repeatedly

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Speaker 1: to flush it out of the city them is anything

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Speaker 1: but an overnight proposition. And you know when when you know? So.

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Speaker 1: The New York Times did a survey recently and concluded

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Speaker 1: that three seventy major Republican candidates for office for this

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Speaker 1: November mid term has said the election was stolen. So

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Speaker 1: they're saying it over and over. They're saying it, of course,

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Speaker 1: because that's what their voters wanted to hear, because they

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Speaker 1: believe it. And where then does this end? A doesn't

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Speaker 1: end immediately, and be probably only ends after the people

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Speaker 1: who are elevated to office on the heels of these

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Speaker 1: you know, um conspiracy theories. After there, they then performed

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Speaker 1: miserably and or are trouts to the polls and a

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Speaker 1: couple of election cycles, after which the Republican parties, you know,

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Speaker 1: sen or individuals say, you know what, we've we've had

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Speaker 1: enough of this, and even at the risk of getting

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Speaker 1: primary to the right, our party can no longer forward electorally,

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Speaker 1: you know, in general election races to be run by

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Speaker 1: people who are in the swell a of these crazy notions.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that happens? That doesn't sound so glass

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Speaker 1: half empty? I feel like glass half empty is like

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Speaker 1: Eric's third term in office. Well, I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: what it means is that it ain't gonna happen right away,

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Speaker 1: and it will take something negative to happen, whether it's

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Speaker 1: far right people coming to power and utterly bungling it,

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Speaker 1: causing some kind of national crisis and or paying heavily

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Speaker 1: for it at the polls. Such at the Republican parties,

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Speaker 1: you know, wiser individuals say, you know, we can't let

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Speaker 1: these guys be in charge anymore. But that's we're talking

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Speaker 1: about a period of years. You know, when I interview

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Speaker 1: so called establishment Republican summer a lot more sanguine than

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Speaker 1: than I've just expressed it, But most of them basically

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Speaker 1: saying that's gonna We're just gonna have to lose for

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Speaker 1: a while. You know, we don't want to lose. But realistically,

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Speaker 1: when i'm you know, look down into my soul and see,

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Speaker 1: you know what it will take to exercise ourselves of

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Speaker 1: this particular demon. We'll have to learn the hard way,

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Speaker 1: and that's from being defeated. I still think that's in

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Speaker 1: some ways weirdly comforting. Yeah, although I'll say Molly that

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Speaker 1: one party rule is not good no matter what the

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Speaker 1: one party is no agreed, agreed, And I don't think

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Speaker 1: we're gonna have one party rule. I think we're gonna

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Speaker 1: have one normal party and one crazy party. But I

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Speaker 1: do think you're right, and the whole system is set

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Speaker 1: up to be two parties. I'm curious to know Speaker

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Speaker 1: of the House. If the Republicans are able to use

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Speaker 1: their jerrymandering to take the House, uh will be the

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Speaker 1: Speaker of the House. Remember you have to tell me this,

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Speaker 1: and I will then torture you years from now if

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Speaker 1: you get this wrong. No pressure all the House Freedom

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Speaker 1: Caucus types like Matt Gates and Martin Tayler Green and

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Speaker 1: all that, for all of their weariness towards Kevin McCarthy

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Speaker 1: they have, they don't have a person of their own.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be McCarthy, who's a very smart inside player,

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Speaker 1: and he's already gotten the requisite votes. So it will

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Speaker 1: be McCarthy. But for McCarthy to be able to hold

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Speaker 1: the gabble, he'll have to degrade himself and debase himself.

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Speaker 1: Concessions will be extracted from him. I mean, already Marjorie

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Speaker 1: Taylor Green has said she wants to be on Judiciary

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Speaker 1: and oversight. He's gonna let her do them. The Chairman

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Speaker 1: of Judiciary that will be Jim Jordan's in exchange for

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Speaker 1: his support. And so I don't see that he'll be

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Speaker 1: either a strong or an effective speaker, but I do

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Speaker 1: think that he'll be a speaker. You want my hotake? Yeah, sure,

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Speaker 1: at least Deponic Oh, I think you you you're onto something.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I you know, and I've also heard that

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Speaker 1: school Ease, who hasn't made any kind of machiavellian move

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Speaker 1: as the as the number two person. Nonetheless, will be

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Speaker 1: their standing if McCarthy goes down in flames. The Conservatives

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Speaker 1: still don't really trust Dephonic. You know, there's uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: they know that she is not crazy enough well, and

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Speaker 1: also a new entry to their world. I mean she was.

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Speaker 1: She was a moderate, mainstream, gult Way Republican until two

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Speaker 1: thousand nineteen. So there actually are some Republicans, some conservatives

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Speaker 1: on the Hill who have memories that extend beyond three years.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Will you please come back. I

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Speaker 1: would love to come back, Molly, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Congressman Patrick Bryan represents New York's nineteen district. Welcome too

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Speaker 1: fast politics, Patrick Ryan, thank you for having me. So

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Speaker 1: you are the now congressman from the great state of

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Speaker 1: New York. You won Antonio Delgado seat in the nineteen district,

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Speaker 1: a very swingy district. How did you do it? We

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Speaker 1: certainly surprised a lot of the supposed experts, if there

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Speaker 1: are any of those left in politics these days. We

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Speaker 1: really ran the campaign more from the gut and the

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Speaker 1: heart than from the typical polling and triangulation and watering down,

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Speaker 1: because it was just such a moment of intense feeling

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Speaker 1: in response to the jobs decision, in response to other

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court decisions, in response to the January six hearings,

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Speaker 1: just sort of this crisis of democracy moment, and we

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Speaker 1: really centered that and and specifically centered on equivocally fighting

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Speaker 1: for reproductive rights and abortion rights in the campaign, and uh,

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Speaker 1: we pulled off this what was certainly seen by outside

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Speaker 1: folks as an upset victory, and I think it says

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Speaker 1: a lot about where the country is and also what

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Speaker 1: November is gonna look like. Despite again some of the

640
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Speaker 1: you know what we're hearing in press and media right now,

641
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Speaker 1: I want to dig down on that you're saying, and

642
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: you're saying this from your own experience, pretty recent experience,

643
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 1: that voters care about choice and not falling into an

644
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: authoritarian state more than they care about gas prices or

645
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: the same. I think actually the framing that it's a

646
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Speaker 1: choice really doesn't give people nearly enough credit because it's

647
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: like in all of our daily lives, we can hold

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Speaker 1: multiple things at the same time, right um, and particularly

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00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: to force people, which is basically what the Republican Party,

650
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Speaker 1: at least the extreme right which is most of it

651
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: these days of the Republican Party wants to do. Is

652
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Speaker 1: basically they're saying, Okay, either you can pick putting food

653
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Speaker 1: on the table or you can pick having access to

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Speaker 1: reproductive care, but you can't have both. That's not who

655
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Speaker 1: we are as a country, and we actually really centered

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Speaker 1: both fighting for reproductive rights and other fundamental freedoms and

657
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Speaker 1: rights and also delivering on relief, and both are necessary

658
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Speaker 1: and neither alone is sufficient to meet the moment. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think fundamentally the fallacy here is that Republicans will

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Speaker 1: somehow do something to stop inflation that Democrats wouldn't do.

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Speaker 1: I have yet to see Republicans do anything but tax

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Speaker 1: cuts for rich people. So there go exactly, and the

663
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Speaker 1: oldest trick in the book obviously talk about the problem

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Speaker 1: over and over and over. Of course, that's the first step,

665
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Speaker 1: is identifying the problem. But then what are you going

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Speaker 1: to do? And actually, I think even more importantly than

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00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: what are you going to do, what have you done

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00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: in your life, in your career as a human, as

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Speaker 1: an elected official to make people trust that you're with them,

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Speaker 1: Like I think, distrust in a lot of institutions, certainly

671
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Speaker 1: in politics right now is so high. I really talked

672
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Speaker 1: a lot about what I've tangibly done to help provide relief.

673
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Speaker 1: In my last job, I was a local elected official

674
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Speaker 1: up here in the Hudson Valley north of New York City.

675
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Speaker 1: I talked about cutting our gas tacks and half at

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Speaker 1: the local level, which provided a lot of immediate visceral

677
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: relief for people. I talked about this really serious fight

678
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Speaker 1: we're in with our local utility that's been price gouging

679
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: people above and beyond the already high increases and utility

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Speaker 1: costs and those kinds of very tangible I get where

681
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,760
Speaker 1: you're at. I am fighting for you. I'm fighting also

682
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 1: for myself because I'm experiencing the same in my family pressure.

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Speaker 1: Like that values level connection before going right to policy,

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Speaker 1: I think is is so important to really authentically connect

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Speaker 1: with people. So you were losing in the polls by

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Speaker 1: as much as ten points, he explained to me. This

687
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Speaker 1: is it's kind of incredible, right the first poll in

688
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Speaker 1: our race, so this was a really quick race to

689
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Speaker 1: it all started in May and then the election happened

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Speaker 1: in August, so it was like a very rapid pace

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Speaker 1: of everything. The first poll that came out, we were down,

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Speaker 1: and all the all the conventional wisdom was, you know,

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Speaker 1: don't invest a lot of energy and resources in the

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Speaker 1: special election, focus on because I we knew I was

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Speaker 1: gonna have to run again in November, which were now

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Speaker 1: eighteen days out from but who's counting, but who's you know,

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Speaker 1: for a whole bunch of reasons, both sort of political

698
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Speaker 1: strategy wise, but also just morally. I think we're at

699
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Speaker 1: a moment in the country where like, if there's an

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Speaker 1: opportunity to stand and fight for democracy, for reproductive freedom,

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Speaker 1: for preventing more kids from getting killed by the same

702
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Speaker 1: weapon as I carried in combat, we have to take

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Speaker 1: every single opportunity. Whether it's a special election, whether it's

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Speaker 1: a local election, whether it's a presidential election. We've got

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Speaker 1: a fight. And that is what I think actually really

706
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Speaker 1: rallied people to our cause and gave us the boost

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Speaker 1: to win was we just showed the willingness to get

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Speaker 1: that this is existential and that we're going to fight

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Speaker 1: in an existential moment. Let's talk about power companies, because

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Speaker 1: this is actually more and more becoming really important issue.

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Speaker 1: It's something that has devastated Texas, largely because Republicans have

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Speaker 1: led it, and we're seeing it in California. It's a

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Speaker 1: real problem. How is the government going to negotiate with

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Speaker 1: the company is to avoid price gouging, to keep you know,

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Speaker 1: the lights on now that climate change has you know,

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Speaker 1: created these temperatures that are I mean, what are you

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00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: seeing and what is your plan? No pressure. Also, we

718
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Speaker 1: need a really good answer for this, even though it's

719
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Speaker 1: a very complicated question. Go I mean, I think we

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Speaker 1: what we've lost sight of in the country and certainly

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Speaker 1: in our area here. These are public goods, right and

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Speaker 1: in New York their public utilities. But yet our local utility,

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Speaker 1: which in this are is called Central Huts and is

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Speaker 1: owned by a foreign owned private equity firm, so their

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00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: motives are like so far disaligned with the motives and

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Speaker 1: interests of their customers and even our broader community, where

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Speaker 1: rather than putting earnings back into you know, preparing the

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Speaker 1: power grid for resiliency, they instead do shareholder buy backs

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Speaker 1: or pay out dividends. These are public goods, just like

730
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Speaker 1: health and public safety and everything else, and I think

731
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Speaker 1: we need to figure out how to pretty fundamentally relook

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Speaker 1: how we provide oversight to these utilities. In my last job,

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Speaker 1: I was able to call for a formal investigation by

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Speaker 1: our state Public Service Commission into this price gouging. And

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Speaker 1: it's been dragging on for months and months and months,

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Speaker 1: and people are increasingly losing faith not just in the utility,

737
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Speaker 1: who they've totally lost trust and but also our own

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Speaker 1: state government to hold the utility accountable. So when that's happening,

739
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Speaker 1: we need to figure out pretty significant reforms, which is

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Speaker 1: something I want to work on at the federal level

741
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Speaker 1: to try how to address this. Yeah, so now you

742
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Speaker 1: have to run again. You're running in a new district.

743
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Speaker 1: Is it better as it worse? So yeah, I'm running

744
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Speaker 1: in it's a different numbered district, and it's a different

745
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 1: district by like about fift new turf, you know, about

746
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Speaker 1: percent overlap, and we've only had a few months to

747
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Speaker 1: sort of you know, get on ground and get out

748
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: there with folks. So that's certainly a challenge. The good

749
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Speaker 1: news is in terms of on paper, we're going from

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Speaker 1: what was a Biden plus one and a half seat

751
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Speaker 1: in the one that we want in August to a

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00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: Biden plus eight and a half, So certainly we start

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00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 1: with some kind of structural advantages there. But that being said,

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Speaker 1: I think this is going to be a tight race.

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Speaker 1: We're you know, on the kind of top ten or

756
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Speaker 1: twenty most competitive house seat list of all the different

757
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 1: ratings groups. So we are just you know, working hard

758
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: in every dimension of the campaign. But I think most

759
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 1: importantly like our message and the focus hasn't changed. We've

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00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: seen the Republicans, or at least their leadership and most

761
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: members dub will and triple down, for example, on a

762
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Speaker 1: national abortion ban at the same time that it's been

763
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,879
Speaker 1: roundly rejected from Kansas to New York to Alaska. So

764
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 1: the fights even more existential, I think, and we just

765
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: have to do the work to help remind people of

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Speaker 1: the stakes. The big takeaway from me from our special

767
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 1: was certainly it was about fighting for abortion rights, but

768
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: people got that it was much broader than that. People

769
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: got that if you could come for those rights for

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00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: tens or hundreds of millions of women and people in

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Speaker 1: the country, it's pretty easy to then see where we

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Speaker 1: go next. And it was even telegraphed and some of

773
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Speaker 1: the decisions. No question, I mean the big question that

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Speaker 1: all of us in the media industrial complex, and obviously

775
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Speaker 1: there is no media industrial complex, but has the mood

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Speaker 1: shifted from August when you won your special two? Now

777
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,439
Speaker 1: we can all agree that no one trusts polls, right,

778
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Speaker 1: So do you think the mood has shifted or do

779
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: you think this is sort of a media creation. I

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Speaker 1: don't think the mood has shifted. I think that people

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00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: are still really feel a visceral like struck, a nerve

782
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: response to the job's decision in particular, and what that

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Speaker 1: represents about threats to freedoms. I think continuing to hear

784
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: what's coming out of January six hearing is resonating much

785
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: more deeply and broadly than people maybe are like processing

786
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: and understanding and pulling. But certainly people are still feeling

787
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: tremendous economic pressure. So again, I just think we have

788
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: to make clear that there's one party that's both delivered

789
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: tangible economic relief at the federal level and most state

790
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: and local levels too, and is also fighting for your

791
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,240
Speaker 1: rights and freedoms. The other one is pointing out problems

792
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: and has no solution on the economy other than to

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Speaker 1: give more, as you said, big big corporations tax cuts,

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00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: and also not only not pro tecting your rights, but

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Speaker 1: it's actively taking them away. And I think as long

796
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 1: as we explain it with that clarity, people will rise

797
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: to the moment, just like they did in August. For

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00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: us here, I hope, so tell us about your opponent.

799
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: He represents like everything that's wrong with where the Republican

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00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: Party much of the Republican Party is going. He's a

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00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: relatively you know, young guys in the state legislature here,

802
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: going back to like two thousand twelve, he was calling

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00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: for Trump to be the Republican candidate for president. He's extreme,

804
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:25,760
Speaker 1: sort of maga type candidate cheered on insurrectionists on January six,

805
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: is aggressively anti choice. We had a debate earlier this

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Speaker 1: week where he straight up and follow up questions from

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00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: the moderator said, even if a doctor says a woman's

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00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: life is at risk, I don't think that she should

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Speaker 1: be able to have an abortion. Yeah, and increasingly this

810
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: is not the exception anymore in the party and increasingly

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Speaker 1: in the country. So we have to send a decisive

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00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: message in these mid terms that we roundly reject this

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00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: kind of extremism. I think it's an existential fight here

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00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: and I know in a lot of other districts too.

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Speaker 1: What happens if Democrats hold the House. When they hold House.

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Speaker 1: When they hold the House, well, then I think we

817
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: can continue the momentum we've shown. I mean, I was

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00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: really encouraged earlier this week that President Biden made clear

819
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Speaker 1: he would introduce legislation to really defend and codify, defend

820
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Speaker 1: reproductive rights, and cootify row right out of the gate.

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Speaker 1: We need to keep pushing there. We have to keep

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Speaker 1: delivering on economic relief. We actually had a visit from

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Speaker 1: President Biden to our district, to the Hudson Valley a

824
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Speaker 1: few weeks ago where because of the Chips Act that

825
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,720
Speaker 1: was passed, you know, to to help bring back semiconductor

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Speaker 1: and quantum computing here, to to the US twenty billion

827
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Speaker 1: dollar investment from IBM and the Hudson Valley based on

828
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Speaker 1: the fact that this legislation changes the game and encourages

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Speaker 1: companies to bring those jobs back here to the country

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Speaker 1: and specifically to our region. Um. I mean that is

831
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Speaker 1: a big, big deal. That's that's like going to change

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Speaker 1: my two young kids lives. We need to continue to

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00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,240
Speaker 1: deliver on those big pieces and then also just figure

834
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Speaker 1: out how to get back to the place where there's

835
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Speaker 1: some agreement on even things like infrastructure and treating veterans

836
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Speaker 1: exposed to toxic burn pits and re earning back trust

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Speaker 1: that government can actually deliver for folks. Thank you so much,

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Speaker 1: Patrick Ryan, thank you for having me. Molly John Fast

839
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Speaker 1: Jesse Cannon, you know, one of the great mysteries is

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Speaker 1: why anyone would vote Republican. That's old since they're always

841
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: about to cut Social Security and Medicare. And we have

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Speaker 1: some thoughts from some one minute Nancy Mace on the subject.

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00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy suggested that if your party wins back the House, uh,

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Speaker 1: he would refuse to lift the debt limit unless Democrats

845
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Speaker 1: in the White House agree to spending cuts. Are you

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Speaker 1: on board with that plan? Are you willing to risk

847
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Speaker 1: the US defaulting on its debt as leverage to impose

848
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Speaker 1: these spending cuts. I support that strategy because look, at

849
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Speaker 1: the end of the day, when COVID nineteen happened, you

850
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: had the federal government and state governments to literally shut

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00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 1: companies down. Businesses had to make tough decisions about how

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00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: they were going to keep their doors open. And the

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Speaker 1: federal government just kept getting record revenue year over year

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Speaker 1: and hasn't had to make those tough decisions. And I

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Speaker 1: can tell you I sit on the oversight community where

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Speaker 1: we look at waste, fraud, and abuse in the federal

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Speaker 1: agency level. Yeah, they're going to try to cut Social

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Speaker 1: Security and Medicare. That's like the worst kept secret of

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Speaker 1: this middrum elections. It just astounds me that this isn't

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Speaker 1: the thing that Democrats just push and push and push,

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Speaker 1: where his Republicans try to find every wedge issue possible. Well,

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Speaker 1: this is a real thing as opposed to all this

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Speaker 1: stuff Republicans are talking about in the mid terms. I

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Speaker 1: think that if Republicans went back the House, besides the

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Speaker 1: fact that it will be the greatest three way three

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Speaker 1: ring circus since Barnum and Bailey, it will also be

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Speaker 1: that they're likely We're gonna see Republicans go after all

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Speaker 1: the social programs they have and always will be here

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Speaker 1: for tax cuts for billionaires and not much else. Republicans

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Speaker 1: plan to undo the Social Safety Net? Is Today's a

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Speaker 1: moment of funk Ray. That's it for this episode of

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