WEBVTT - Ep. 122: Chasing Dreams with Tucker Stanley 0:00:11.960 --> 0:00:14.280 Welcome back to another episode of cutting the Distance. Stem 0:00:14.320 --> 0:00:17.360 here with what i'd call maybe a new buddy, Tucker Stanley. 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:20.439 He lives only about thirty minutes from me, and we 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:22.880 kind of met what was it, Tucker in. 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:25.279 Twenty twenty, Yeah, twenty, I had twenty. 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:28.440 Yeah, your your dad was gracious enough. I wish my 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:30.639 dad would have. He had been buying you guys points 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:34.400 right in some of these states or or you know, 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:36.040 and and then when you graduated, he was going to 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:37.440 send you guys on a pretty good elkcunt, so you 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:39.040 had enough points to go to some good units. And 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:41.120 you were talking to one of our good buddies, Ben Gorman, 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:43.240 and I think he came out to my my newly 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:45.559 built Help's Game Calls warehouse at that time, and we 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:48.840 besd with you and Troy, and so I first kind 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:51.040 of know, you know, got to meet you in twenty twenty, 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:53.960 but I had known of you before then. I won't 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:55.960 say rivals peel on that fine art rivals, but playing 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:59.240 in sports kind of always the Stanley names pretty pretty 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:01.400 prominent in the Lewis County area, and kind of knew 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:03.720 of you, and then yeah, I got to know you. 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:06.160 And then we've kind of stayed in touch and shoot, 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:08.959 we probably what bs once twice a week about you know, 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:10.880 dream hunts are going on this or hey did you 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:13.200 see how much this tag sold for? And just kind 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:15.479 of stay in touch. So how are you doing good? 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:18.160 I appreciate you having me on. It's been Yeah. I 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:21.360 started in twenty twenty with us and yeah, my dad 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:24.800 started buying us points back see, Wyoming started their point 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:28.600 system what seven I don't know what max points is now, 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:31.880 probably sixteen seventeen and so sixteen years ago when we 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:35.400 were probably eight nine years old, and we could cash 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:39.760 them in whenever we wanted, and so I had That 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:42.520 was when I got you know, someone knew a friend 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:46.399 that knew a friend that knew you personally, and that's 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:48.280 how we kind of got started and kind of been 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:49.160 good friends ever since. 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:53.120 Yeah, Yeah, we Yeah, I think we spent a half 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:56.240 hour hour last night Texan back and forth going over 0:01:56.360 --> 0:01:58.200 you know, Alaska sheep and you know some of the 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:00.720 gear that I think is vital and you know we're 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:02.600 gonna get into that. You got a sheep hunt coming up, 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:04.920 but let's kind of we always kind of jump into these. 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:06.640 I don't know if you've listened to the podcast or not, Tucker, 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:08.760 But we're gonna kind of start with a couple questions 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:11.400 for you. I mean, this question and answer is brought 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:15.200 to you by Pendleton Whiskey. So, yeah, just I'm curious 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:17.519 what are you doing this time of year to get ready? 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:19.400 I know you're in good shape, you know, a pretty 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:22.440 competitive athlete in high school. You know, still like to 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:25.040 get after in the mountains. So not only you know, 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:27.000 from a physical fitness you know you do, are you 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:30.360 looking at applications kind of like what does an off 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:32.440 season you know, look look like for you? 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:39.720 Well, yeah, I played college football, so you know, my 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:43.919 physical fitness continued into my mid twenties. Now I'm thirty one, 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:47.000 and so it was really important to me to stay 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:48.720 in shape, you know, because you know, you work so 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:52.320 hard to get to shape for for sports and athletics 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:55.840 and stuff, and I just couldn't see myself losing that, 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:58.440 you know, and just letting myself go, so to speak. 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:01.639 And so we're working out. For me, it's always been, 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:06.519 you know, not not an option, and so I never 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:10.520 really I mean I work out probably five days a 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:12.359 week and so like as far as like the off 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:16.160 season it doesn't My my training plan really doesn't differ, 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:18.280 and I kind of I think just being an athlete 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:21.639 is kind of helped with the hunting because before when 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:23.920 I work out, it was it was to you know, 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:26.040 be a better football player or whatever it was. And 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:27.600 now it's like, I got to be in shape for 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:32.120 this hunt, and it's so like my my workout, you know, 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:34.639 staying in shape to me is really important and it's 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:37.680 not just hunting, but hunting just happens to be my 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:41.680 What distracts the mental pain of working out is like, 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:43.560 you know, like you're doing this for a hunt and 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:46.080 it'll be easier, and uh, it used to be you 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:47.680 know that you're doing this for football and this is 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:50.280 what it takes and to be the best, and that 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:53.600 that's kind of my as as a former athlete. It's 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:56.280 kind of my it's my new goal, you know, it's 0:03:56.360 --> 0:03:58.880 it's it's to be in better shape for hunting season. 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:00.360 It used to be to be in better shape for 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:03.120 a football season. So this time of the year, I 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:06.720 you know, I'm you know, I ride the stationary bike 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:10.400 as much as I can just for the cardio, and 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:12.080 then I try to lift weights. I don't need to 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:14.240 be the strongest man in the world anymore. This part 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:17.760 what football took. But I left weights, and you know 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:20.960 that doesn't change whether it's season or off season for me. 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:22.760 It's it's important for me to stay. 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:25.320 Yeah, so you're why I went from football to your 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:27.240 why is now hunting? And I always joke with people, 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:29.320 if it wasn't for hunting, I'd probably be fornared pounds. 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:31.479 I'm not as motivated as you to work out for 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:33.080 other things. It's like, no, if I if I'd have 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:35.000 to climb the mountain, I'd probably just I would be 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:37.480 that forndered pound guy. But uh yeah, I think that's 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:39.920 actually how our conversation started last night. You were asking 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:42.880 me about some if I have a stair climber, and 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:45.520 I think that kind of kicked off the cascade of 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:47.800 we were sheep hunting and sharing sheep hunting videos by 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:50.920 the time we were done. But no, it's it's important, 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:54.760 and you know, I'm I probably get a little lazy 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:57.520 November December, early January, and then right back you know 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:01.480 now you know, eating better, getting ready because it is 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:03.960 it's it's a year long commitment, or if you do 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:07.000 get the two months that I screw up every year, 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:09.000 like it takes the other seven months to get back 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:10.240 to where I was. Where It's like if it was 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:12.560 always like if I'm always looking at like I want 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:14.120 to be better today than it was yesterday, i'd be 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:15.880 I would be a lot better off. It's like I 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:18.200 just kind of yo yo, or you're probably in a 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:22.320 better you know, situation where you're just saying constant Yeah. 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:24.960 I kind of describe it as like a it's easier 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:28.680 to maintain than it is to like, you know, do 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:33.400 like a seventy five hard and you know that's brutal. 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:35.560 You know, I see people doing it and it's impressive 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:38.400 and and you know, I commend them for it. But 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:41.440 for me, you know, I'm not like a strict, strict 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:44.080 diet type of guy. I enjoy a you know, a 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:46.920 good beer or you know, you know, a penalty and 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:50.560 coke or whatever it is. And and I feel like 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:52.919 if I just cut that off cold turkey, it'd be 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:55.039 harder for me to do. Or if I just ate salads, 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:58.200 trying to lose weight nearly impossible. And so I just 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:00.480 try to maintain and I kind of eat what I want. 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:02.800 I don't abuse it, you know, but wait, till wait 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:04.760 till you're forty and see if you can see what 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:05.080 you want. 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:07.240 Yeah, they used to say wait till you're thirty, but 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:09.240 now I'm out thirty and now people are telling me 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:12.000 wait till you're forty. But you know, I just kind 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:14.559 of have and I checked, you know, I've I've always 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:17.520 heard a quote that was what doesn't get measured doesn't 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:19.560 get maintained. And so I try to weigh myself, you know, 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:22.400 once a week, once every other week, and if it's 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:25.280 not in check, then then then I crack down. 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:29.000 Work a little harder. Yeah, you know, you're I would 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:31.200 say you're not in the hunting industry, right, which is 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:33.480 pretty fair to say. But like I would say, you're 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:35.000 one of those guys that hunts as much as the 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:36.680 rest of us, you know that that are in And 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:38.440 I hate the word industry, like there are people that 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:42.520 make their living because of hunting type you know, products 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:46.120 or services or whatever. So what are you doing? Like 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:48.480 what's your your you know, this time of year, we're 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:50.920 all getting ready for putting in for draws, Like what's 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:53.200 your approach on that side? Right now? Are you are 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:55.160 you applying all over the country? Are you are you 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:57.599 keeping it pretty you know, specific to certain states. How 0:06:57.600 --> 0:07:02.200 are you setting up like your future you know hunting trip, Well. 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:07.320 Just the way the hunting industry is, you know, I 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:10.840 mean we're western Washington, where you know the hoof for 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:13.000 Rock video that you guys released was pretty spot on. 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:15.000 There's it's not like it used to be. So I 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:20.960 haven't hunted in Washington in years. My kind of strategy 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:23.840 is I think eventually what this is all gonna come 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:26.640 to is for the average Joe blow guy like me 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:30.239 that's not in the industry, you know you have if 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:34.200 you're like an over the town, over the counter guy, 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:36.680 I think you're gonna have to play the state game. 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:40.840 And you know, you're gonna have to apply for Idaho, 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:42.360 you have to apply for New Mexico, you have to 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:44.680 apply for Colorado, you have to apply for Wyoming, Nevada, 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:47.640 all of them, Arizona, and you're not gonna be able 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:50.440 to go to your same spot that maybe you and 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:53.000 your family have hunted for, you know, fifteen years. I 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:54.840 think those days are kind of coming to an end, 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:59.000 and it's unfortunate, but you know, with the draw systems, 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:01.760 it's hard to rely on a tag every year, and 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:04.720 so I've kind of been relying on Idaho, and I 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:07.280 know we're going to get into my my Idaho hunts 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:10.560 and stuff, but for the last five years I've been 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:14.360 relying on Idaho for deer and elk. When we met 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:16.680 twenty twenty, I had max points. I cashed those in 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:18.600 for Wyoming, so I kind of had to start over there. 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:20.280 I think I checked last night because I applied for 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:23.120 my Wyoming stuff last night. That was I think I'm 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:26.160 at four points again, so I don't expect to draw 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:28.120 anything there. But what I'm kind of doing with all 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:30.320 that is, like, you know, I have four points for Wyoming. 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:33.559 I think you could probably get a general unit for 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:36.440 four to seven points in that range. You aren't going 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:38.840 to get anything, you know, any other quality units yet. 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:42.280 But with the point creep and all that stuff, what 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:44.520 I'm doing is like, if there's a year where I 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:48.640 don't get my Idaho elk tag, then because those come 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:51.720 you know in December, you'll know, then I'm going to go, 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:54.959 you know, cash in my four six eight points or 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:57.160 whatever I have at that time for like Wyoming. Other 0:08:57.160 --> 0:08:59.920 than that year, I'll go to Wyoming. But I kind 0:08:59.920 --> 0:09:02.160 of just threw like my entry last night was like 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:04.959 kind of for a hill Mary Wyoming tag that I 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:07.839 probably won't get. But the reason I did that was 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:10.559 because I've already got a while or an Idaho tag, 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:13.079 and so I have, you know, three general points or 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:16.120 whatever for Montana. I don't have very many points for 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:17.960 Colorado because I was so late to the game. I 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:19.959 played football till I was like twenty four. It went 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:22.480 over to Europe and played, so I got started real, 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:24.520 real late. Luckily I had my dad started to love 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:28.160 Wyoming early. But New Mexico's random draw, you know, so 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:30.720 I put them for that every year, you know, But 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:33.520 that's kind of what I do is is I think 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:35.160 you're gonna have to like play the state game and 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:37.080 try to get Arizona this year if you don't draw 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:39.520 Idaho or Wyoming or vice versa, and just. 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:43.760 Yeah, yeah and yeah, like similar to you, I've already 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:45.440 got an Idaho archery tag. So it's like, if I 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:47.760 want to, I can just spend my time in Idaho 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:50.840 and it's a pretty good unit. And so I'm my 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:53.040 strategy now across all these other states is yeah, I 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:55.600 can draw, you know, I can draw Utah if I want, 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:58.280 I can draw Colorado if I want yeah, you know, 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:00.640 Nevada is all, but in any those that I've even 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:01.960 got a chance to get to take, like, I don't 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:05.640 want it unless it's a like, you know, top tier hunt. 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:07.720 And to be honest, it's even gon get harder because 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:09.680 I'm probably going rifle because I don't want to like 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:12.160 mess up September. Yeah, yeah, it could be better, but 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:14.240 it's like, oh, if I get a premium rifle tag, 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:15.840 because I'm an opportunist, I don't need to go do 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:17.680 it with a bow or muzzle, Like I don't. Just 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:20.480 give me a good tag, a good hunt. I'm I'm happy, 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:22.840 but like, I don't want to mess up archery. So 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:24.880 I'm really going to be like really kind of you know, 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:28.120 shooting for the stars with with premium rifle tags in 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:31.400 all those states which have really really low odds. But 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:33.120 like I say, it's more of just build a point 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:35.079 and then we'll see if I don't get the Idaho 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:37.360 or in the future if I want to cash in 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:40.520 you know Colorado with their preference point system or you know, 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:44.000 Utah with their modified preference point will we'll go that way. 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:47.120 So yeah, that's you also kind of get into like 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:50.520 why or I mean, like New Mexico, like I put 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:53.280 in for their one of their top units just because 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:55.000 it's such a far drive for us, and so like 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:57.839 you know, it's such a commitment to drive twenty four 0:10:57.840 --> 0:10:59.640 hours or twenty two hours or wherever you're going in 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:02.680 New Max. So you know, I probably won't draw in 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:06.400 New Mexico, but I put in for my strategically put 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:07.760 in for one of their better units because like, if 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:09.760 I'm going to drive down there, I want it to 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:11.160 be for a pretty good unit. 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:15.559 Yeah, yeah, yeah, And that's everybody's got their own you know, strategy. 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:17.280 And we've talked about it a lot on here before. 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:19.560 Like I look at Utah and Arizona. You know, I'm 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:22.000 I'm in double digits in both of those, but it's 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:24.199 like I probably won't draw for another ten, Like it's 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:26.080 going to be maybe my going out party when I'm 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:28.040 too old. The hunt, you know, some of the harder 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:32.599 areas and then the Wyomings, Montana's, Idahos, Nevada's kind of 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:34.560 in that middle, it's still pretty hard to draw. Like 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:36.800 I'm looking at those as like maybe my my in 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:40.280 between fits between you know, an Idaho or Montana, right 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:43.240 now where you can draw you know, fairly, fairly easily 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:45.680 or get a tag in those places. So yeah, there's 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:48.240 lots of lots of strategies. So you're getting in shape, 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:52.120 you're planning hunts. Seems to be what kind of you know, 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:55.120 any any die hard or serious hunters kind of thinking 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:57.120 about right now is you know those two things, you know, 0:11:57.160 --> 0:12:00.720 staying in shape and getting ready to just find your 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:03.440 opportunity right where you're gonna go hunt where A you're 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:05.240 gonna have to be in shape for what's that gonna 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:10.440 look like? And then, uh, my second question for you, 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:11.960 and it's just this is actually out of my own 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:15.680 curiosity because I don't know what influence So you know, 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:18.360 we we're we use some brands, we partner with some brands, 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:20.679 we have contracts with brands. But as a guy that 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:23.679 hunts as much as we do outside of the industry, 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:28.000 like what influences your gear choices? Like, you know, I've 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:31.520 been working with Kafaru since twenty and twelve, so it's 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:33.200 like I use their pack. You know, we were talking 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:34.920 last night about what you needed in a sheet pack, 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:36.839 and I'm like, well, I wonder, I wonder, why the 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:38.440 heck do you use that or you know, how do 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:40.559 you guys get to those decisions? What you know is 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:42.920 your Do you have a favorite you know, honey influencer 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:44.319 that you listen to? Do you just ask lots of 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:46.600 questions you try them on, like how do you get 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:48.960 to what pack or what boots or what camo or 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:50.920 you get to. 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:55.280 I always joke that if someone pays me to wear it, 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:58.160 I'll put it on my back. But I'm not in 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:00.319 the industry, so you know, it's it's I don't have 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:03.920 a big social media following. I'm just a a hunter 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:08.200 that likes the sport of it. And uh so, you know, nobody, 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:11.120 no sponsors, it's just it's just what I want. And 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:14.680 you know, which can probably relate to a lot of 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:17.959 your listeners. And so like how I choose my gear 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:24.120 is hunting gears. She's gotten so expensive and you know 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:26.880 it you name off, you know, all the big brands 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:31.000 and the and the stone glaciers, the you know, like Couu, 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:34.679 the first lights, the Sidkase, all those things. And it's 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:37.120 almost like when you start building an outfit, you can't 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:39.280 be the guy that's mixed and matched. And so if 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:41.440 you if you already you know, it's like I remember 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:44.440 when I first got you know, some expensive hunt gear 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:47.240 that you know, you go from the you know, cheaper 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:49.800 Walmart stuff to like some good quality gear. When the 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:52.080 industry really changed, you know, I don't know, it seems 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:54.000 like it really changed like ten years ago or so. 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:56.880 Yeah, it seems like Sika kind of led that big, 0:13:57.480 --> 0:13:58.840 you know, because it was it was a lot of 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:01.199 cheaper stuff and then Sick through and then first Light 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:03.160 and qu came through, and it was like, all right, 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:06.000 now we got all buy expensive, expensive gear. Like you 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:08.120 can't do it in the cheap stuff anymore. 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:09.840 That's yeah. And it was like if you were sick, 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:13.839 you were bawling. And and so as I like got 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:16.960 more serious about hunting because like I said, like football, 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:19.280 you know, it's playing the fall, and so I couldn't 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:22.520 hunt as much as I wanted to until I was 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:25.640 probably twenty five, and so it was like a caged animal. 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:27.600 As soon as like I started to hunt, I just 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:31.920 became obsessed with it. And so like my gear, you know, 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:33.960 you start buying because it's you know, you could buy 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:37.440 a five hundred dollars coat no problem nowadays. And so 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:41.560 as far as like my gear, I I I don't 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:44.680 really have anyone that like influences me. It's more so 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:47.640 just like building an outfit. Like if I have those pants, 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:51.160 I'm gonna buy that coat. And as far as my 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:53.240 pack goes, you know, I watch a lot of the 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:58.560 YouTube stuff, you know, and and not that they influenced me, but. 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:02.640 Just if you see enough guys running something similar or 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:05.960 trusting and it gives you some confidence in that, it. 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:09.800 Gives you confidence. But also you know, I believe that, 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:11.280 like there is something we said about like you get 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:14.800 what you pay for, you know, whether that's but there's 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:17.240 some things that are just like outrageously priced that you 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:21.880 know there's better options for it, but it's kind of 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:24.800 like a Ford chever Dodge. You know, you have people 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:26.720 that argue all of them, but I really don't think 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:28.280 a guy would go wrong if you chose either one 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:31.280 of them. And so like that's that's like like my 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:35.920 pack and stuff. It's like some some of the packs, 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:39.000 they really the only difference is like the compartments that 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:42.800 they have or something like that maybe one guy might 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:45.880 like over the other. I think the qualities there on 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:49.440 most of them at the upper end level. It's just 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:51.760 like what you what what feels nice to you? And 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:53.600 what do you pack? You know, what are you used 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:55.960 to packing? And it doesn't have room for all your stuff? 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:57.800 A guy is gonna like that brand, you know. 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:01.800 Yeah, and I've been unfortunate, you know, I loyal to 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:03.760 Kafario and been using them for a long time. But 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:06.520 I've tried on you know, the Initial Ascent, the Stone Glacier, 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:09.160 the Exo, and it's like you could probably get by 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:10.880 on all these It's just you know, little tweaks in 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:14.840 the suspension, different padding, different you know, pack layouts, and yeah, 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:16.440 I think you know when you get the packs or 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:19.520 you know, boots are a little more per like specific 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:21.720 to the person, right, you got to find a boot 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:23.440 that has a last that fits your foot and has 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:26.080 all the qualities you want for that specific hunt, you know. 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:28.440 But I was just kind of curious, like, you know, 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:31.320 are you are you like scanning the forums, like, you know, 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:33.080 do you search for the certain pack you want to buy? 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:35.040 Like are there any bad reviews? Are there any good ones? 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:36.960 Because I do on that on some of the hunting 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:39.560 stuff that I might not have a connection for or 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:41.440 a lot of knowledge, like you know, what what do 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:44.920 people think about this or that and just kind of 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:47.400 see like is there any major failures or people complaining 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:49.720 about it? They like it, and then you know, go 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:51.160 ahead and make my purchase. 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:55.560 If you watch like enough like that, even the hunting 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:58.840 channels have come a long way since you know, fifteen 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:01.560 years ago, and now like YouTube and the accessibility of 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:06.840 people and what they're using stuff. So like for boots, 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:09.840 you know, for example, I went into a sporting goods 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:12.679 store here locally and I went in to buy Ken tracks, 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:16.120 quite frankly, and that that was what everyone was wearing. 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:17.960 There were the five hundred dollars boots and if you 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:20.240 were a real hunter, that's it's like the sitka, you know, 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:22.480 it's like that's what you were wearing. And I went 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:24.080 in there and I tried them on, and then I 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:26.480 tried on the Crispies and I haven't I haven't gone 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:30.359 back from Crispies since, you know, and so nobody influences 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:33.600 me to do it. It was I tried on both 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:36.359 boots and walked out with the Crispies and those just 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:38.560 blew out as last year, and you know, I bought 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:41.440 the same pair again, and so it's just kind of 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:42.479 trial and error. 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:42.639 You know. 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:45.480 Now the problem is I have a ton of hunting gear, 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:49.520 and you know, if if I really like a pack, 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:51.920 I'll buy the same pack again. And you know, and 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:53.439 then there's some there's a pack that I got that 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:56.240 I bought, you know, and and I don't really use 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:57.800 it that much, and so I won't buy it again. 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:01.280 But that's just how I picked my gear. And I 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:02.679 have a lot of hunt gear now because you buy 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:04.159 a little bit each year. And now that I've been 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:07.080 you know, taking it serious for six or seven years, 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:08.760 now it starts to accumulate. 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:21.720 I appreciate that, Tucker. Once again, you have questions, uh 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:26.800 for for myself or our guests, feel free to email 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:29.560 them to us at ct D at Phelps game Calls 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:33.359 dot com or send us a social media message and 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:34.879 we'll do our best to get them on here. Now 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:36.960 we're gonna jump into kind of the the meat and 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:40.080 potatoes of the podcast. And uh, you've mentioned, you know, 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:43.520 he played played college football, played played overseas a little bit, 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:45.679 and so you've only been hunting for six years, but 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:49.200 you've got some pretty some pretty decent you know critters 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:50.959 in those you know years. I think that was one 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:53.040 of the other I talked to you, and then I 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:55.000 think was it a year or two later you killed 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:57.320 a big Canada buck and you were trying to figure 0:18:57.320 --> 0:18:59.400 out how to get to the taxidermis who I'd recommend 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:01.640 and hooked you up with round you and brought your 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:04.160 brought you to your home from the Western hunt. And 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:07.480 so let's let's ship right into that on how you 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:10.760 guys listening on audio can't see it, but just to 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:14.479 the left of Tucker's head is the picture of this 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:17.080 giant buck, a two hundred three inch Albert of meal deer. 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:18.960 Go ahead and kind of tell the just tell the 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:21.600 story on how that one evolved and and uh kind 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:23.879 of you know, there's a little humor involved on a 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:26.080 on a hunt that maybe didn't have that kind of buck, 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:26.919 is the expectation. 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:30.359 Yeah, I would love to say that I've tracked it 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:32.320 for five years and I know about it, and I 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:35.439 had forty trail cameras up, but that wasn't the case. 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:39.439 You know, I'm I'm okay admitting that it was. It 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:42.760 was right guy, right spot, right time, type of deal. 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:45.919 But what happened with that hunt was I got a 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:48.240 call from a local guy and they were kind of 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:50.480 I'm not going to say scrambling, but they were looking 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:56.320 for three archery hunters for this outfitter and it was 0:19:56.359 --> 0:19:59.919 like a private land, not high fenced, but it was 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:02.800 like a private land outfitter that have thousands and thousands 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:05.879 of bakers up in Alberta. And they had three archery tags. 0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:10.119 So this is twenty twenty one and I get this 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:14.280 call and it was like, hey, you're an archery hunter. 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:16.280 Do you want to go to Alberta this year? And 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:19.280 I was like, yeah, you know what, what's that consisted of? 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:23.800 And he goes, well, here's what's going on is you 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:26.119 got to get the COVID vaccine to go. Like that 0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:28.720 was when the borders were closed and it was vaccine 0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:32.159 mandatory and at the time, you know, I hadn't I 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:35.960 hadn't got it. And you know that that was basically 0:20:36.000 --> 0:20:39.400 like the stipulations across the border. And so the other 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:42.440 three hunters that usually go that take that tag, they 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:46.160 refuse to get the vaccine. So, you know, I started 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:48.320 seeing pictures of these bucks. I kind of joke, but 0:20:48.440 --> 0:20:50.280 and I'm like, ahm, I get the vaccine for those 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:53.960 and uh so I ended up getting the vaccine, and 0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:56.679 you know, I have no problem admitting that because it 0:20:57.040 --> 0:20:59.639 you know, I I think I did well with the 0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:04.359 deer that I got. I was rewarded and and so 0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:06.720 I got the vaccine and I went on the trip 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:09.639 and it was the first hunt that I'd ever paid 0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:11.920 an outfitter for, and so to me, it was like 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:14.280 a big deal. And you know, it wasn't a real 0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:16.560 expensive hunt, you know for the hunting world. You know, 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:19.240 I see you know that sheep hunt and New Mexico 0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:21.000 is sold for one point three million. I mean you're 0:21:21.000 --> 0:21:24.080 you're talking like a really really low budget hunt for 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:29.560 the quality of animal I got. And so I committed 0:21:29.600 --> 0:21:31.159 to it, and I was like, man, I you know, 0:21:31.200 --> 0:21:34.280 I don't want to go empty handed. It kind of 0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:37.080 adds an element when you're paying for a hunt to 0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:39.280 your standards. You know, when you go on an o 0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:42.160 TC hunt, it's it's just like you're having a good time. 0:21:42.160 --> 0:21:44.119 There's no pressure. You might get a bowl, you might not, 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:47.960 and you know, it's it's it's more relaxed where some 0:21:48.000 --> 0:21:49.920 of these hunts it's you know, even like my sheep 0:21:49.960 --> 0:21:51.560 hunt coming up, it's like, man, I don't want to 0:21:51.560 --> 0:21:54.040 come home empty handed. You want to get the most 0:21:54.080 --> 0:21:55.320 out of it. And that's how I felt on that 0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:57.919 felt on that hunt. And it was my first like 0:21:58.240 --> 0:22:02.199 big hunt. And anyway, basically the story was is I 0:22:02.240 --> 0:22:08.280 missed a buck, kind of a jump shot type of action. 0:22:08.400 --> 0:22:10.120 I missed him, and I was just sick to my stomach. 0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:11.920 And this isned like day three, and it was a 0:22:11.960 --> 0:22:14.399 seven day hunt, and so I remember texting my wife like, 0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:15.560 I don't know if I'm gonna get one, you know, 0:22:15.560 --> 0:22:18.440 because it's archery, it's not guaranteed, you know, there's no baiting. 0:22:20.160 --> 0:22:22.040 And here we already spent this money. And I was 0:22:22.080 --> 0:22:25.040 starting to get kind of nervous on day four. And 0:22:25.680 --> 0:22:28.879 so day four rolls around in the evening and I'm 0:22:28.920 --> 0:22:32.240 sitting in the tree stand and like right at dark, 0:22:32.280 --> 0:22:34.760 I heard just like a screeching noise like a fence, 0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:36.400 like something was crossing the fence. And so I kind 0:22:36.400 --> 0:22:38.920 of got ready, got got one, you know, my arrow ready, 0:22:38.960 --> 0:22:43.680 And that buck, you know that that I killed, came 0:22:43.680 --> 0:22:48.760 in and I shot him twenty twenty three yards broadside. 0:22:49.160 --> 0:22:51.639 And what's funny is a local guy here that was 0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:54.440 also there. He was one of the three tags. He 0:22:54.880 --> 0:22:57.160 he was he had shot a buck early that day, 0:22:57.840 --> 0:22:59.720 and so I remember him coming back to lunch and 0:22:59.680 --> 0:23:02.080 we're like looking at his buck and we're all like, dang. 0:23:02.240 --> 0:23:02.399 You know. 0:23:02.800 --> 0:23:04.480 I was thinking to myself like I would take that 0:23:04.560 --> 0:23:08.359 every you know, all day, every day. And so I 0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:11.159 head back. It got dark and I head back. I 0:23:11.200 --> 0:23:14.320 shot the buck and then you know, they picked me 0:23:14.440 --> 0:23:17.439 up and I said I got one, and they're like, 0:23:17.560 --> 0:23:19.200 is it a big one? I was like, it's about 0:23:19.240 --> 0:23:21.080 like you know, the other guys, you know, I mean, 0:23:21.680 --> 0:23:23.119 I don't know. I didn't share it too long. I 0:23:23.160 --> 0:23:26.359 was more trying to exte the shot. So he's like, 0:23:26.359 --> 0:23:27.800 all right, let's go back, we'll eat dinner, then we'll 0:23:27.800 --> 0:23:30.240 go look for him. So we go back, eat dinner, 0:23:30.280 --> 0:23:32.760 and I wasn't even nervous. I like wasn't thinking about 0:23:32.800 --> 0:23:35.360 it at all. And you know, like they were all 0:23:35.440 --> 0:23:38.199 chirping like, oh, it sounds like Tucker got one outsize 0:23:38.320 --> 0:23:41.640 you know, of Martins, and and let's go look for him. 0:23:41.680 --> 0:23:44.159 So we all headed back out inside by sides to 0:23:44.160 --> 0:23:45.960 go grab flashlights, and we went to the spot of 0:23:46.000 --> 0:23:47.560 the kill. There's no blood. I mean, it was like 0:23:48.160 --> 0:23:51.760 started making me nervous. And we finally find some blood 0:23:51.960 --> 0:23:54.200 and it wasn't a very long track of the buck 0:23:54.240 --> 0:23:58.399 probably went, i know, fifty sixty yards and anyway, we 0:23:58.480 --> 0:24:02.119 walked up on that and I remember the I was like, uh, 0:24:02.520 --> 0:24:03.800 he was just like, Tucker, you might want to come 0:24:03.880 --> 0:24:06.720 take a look at this thing. And you know, when 0:24:06.720 --> 0:24:08.680 I walk over to him, because we're kind of grid 0:24:08.680 --> 0:24:11.720 searching at that point, and you know, I was like, 0:24:11.720 --> 0:24:13.840 oh man, I'm like happy with that, you know, because 0:24:14.000 --> 0:24:16.720 I'm taking into consideration like how much this cost me 0:24:16.760 --> 0:24:19.760 in the commitment, and like I'm really happy with that. 0:24:19.800 --> 0:24:22.000 You know, that's a nice buck. And then it like 0:24:22.080 --> 0:24:24.359 the longer we're there and the more like the gutting 0:24:24.440 --> 0:24:26.639 it and throwing it in the back. It started to 0:24:26.800 --> 0:24:29.520 like think the way they were reacting because he he 0:24:29.840 --> 0:24:31.560 he likes to like kind of downplay it. 0:24:31.640 --> 0:24:34.199 The guy does it sounds like you downplayed it to 0:24:34.240 --> 0:24:34.679 start with. 0:24:35.359 --> 0:24:37.680 Well, I didn't. I didn't know, you know, Like I 0:24:38.359 --> 0:24:40.119 was like, oh, yeah, that's. 0:24:39.520 --> 0:24:41.480 Well, I'm sure they thought you were messing with him, like, 0:24:41.520 --> 0:24:43.200 oh yeah, I shot one like Martins. 0:24:43.240 --> 0:24:44.720 And then he's like, oh, I thought you said it 0:24:44.760 --> 0:24:46.240 was the same size of Martins. I was like, I, 0:24:46.640 --> 0:24:47.280 you know, I didn't. 0:24:47.280 --> 0:24:48.280 I didn't say that much. 0:24:48.800 --> 0:24:53.400 Two year and so the more we started like taking 0:24:53.440 --> 0:24:55.199 pictures of it, it was like, you know, this is 0:24:55.240 --> 0:24:58.159 like that's a legit fuck. And then we got it 0:24:58.200 --> 0:25:00.560 into the shop and stuff and started skinning it, and 0:25:00.600 --> 0:25:03.960 they're like that that that's like a an exceptional deer. 0:25:04.000 --> 0:25:06.480 And you know, they have thirty headmounts on their on 0:25:06.520 --> 0:25:09.920 their shop wall, and to my knowledge, it was the 0:25:09.960 --> 0:25:12.280 biggest buck that they've ever killed there. And you know, 0:25:12.320 --> 0:25:14.200 happened to be with a bow. Happened to the one 0:25:14.280 --> 0:25:16.960 year that I went. I got asked late because the 0:25:17.000 --> 0:25:19.280 whole COVID thing, it was just kind of it just 0:25:19.320 --> 0:25:19.879 all happened. 0:25:20.000 --> 0:25:21.800 Yeah, they happened to. You know, you happen to be 0:25:21.800 --> 0:25:24.400 in that tree stand and not in a different one. Yeah. 0:25:24.520 --> 0:25:24.680 Yeah. 0:25:24.720 --> 0:25:27.040 If I remember how how far away was a buck 0:25:27.040 --> 0:25:30.800 when you first spotted it, it wasn't like add Yeah. 0:25:30.600 --> 0:25:32.880 He was probably coming in at about one hundred because 0:25:32.880 --> 0:25:35.080 I heard that fence and so I was on alert 0:25:35.840 --> 0:25:38.720 and he was probably one hundred and thirty one hundred 0:25:38.720 --> 0:25:40.680 and fifty yards and I was watching him and he, 0:25:40.720 --> 0:25:43.040 you know, he turned his head and his frame towards me. 0:25:43.080 --> 0:25:45.920 He's walking at me, and I've never killed anything that big. 0:25:45.960 --> 0:25:48.600 So it was like, you know, and also you like 0:25:48.640 --> 0:25:50.800 I said, with these these hunts, is like is it 0:25:50.880 --> 0:25:53.600 big enough for the price you're paying? That that weighs 0:25:53.600 --> 0:25:55.520 into my mind. And so it was like, Okay, that's 0:25:55.520 --> 0:25:57.920 a shooter. And so like I got ready and I 0:25:58.359 --> 0:26:00.439 was I quit looking at the horns like I'm just 0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:03.520 trying to execute this shot. And so you know, I 0:26:03.600 --> 0:26:06.720 seen him coming and it all happened. But it's almost 0:26:06.800 --> 0:26:08.840 I'm like thankful that I didn't have time to like 0:26:08.880 --> 0:26:09.960 think about how big he was. 0:26:10.280 --> 0:26:12.600 Did you know at the point you see him one 0:26:12.640 --> 0:26:14.000 hundred and fifty he was going to come your way? 0:26:14.040 --> 0:26:15.600 Or was there a lot of variability he could have 0:26:15.640 --> 0:26:17.760 picked a different route or was it pretty like it 0:26:17.920 --> 0:26:19.600 was coming down like a fence line tour There was 0:26:19.600 --> 0:26:21.479 there like a reason he was going to walk by you? 0:26:22.240 --> 0:26:24.000 Or did you like cause I I'm the guy that 0:26:24.040 --> 0:26:26.119 sits in the tree like, oh, I shouldn't even get 0:26:26.119 --> 0:26:27.880 my bow out because he's got one hundred and fifty 0:26:27.920 --> 0:26:30.000 yards to cover, He's probably gonna go a different way. 0:26:30.119 --> 0:26:32.920 Like I'm the most negative guy until it happens, like 0:26:32.960 --> 0:26:34.720 I'm never gonna get a shot anyways, like it's cool 0:26:34.760 --> 0:26:35.480 to look at him. 0:26:35.320 --> 0:26:38.760 And yeah, I mean it was a meadow, and so, 0:26:39.920 --> 0:26:43.400 you know, I had my ranges. It's hard to get 0:26:43.480 --> 0:26:45.280 ranges when it's just like a grassy patch. It's nice 0:26:45.320 --> 0:26:46.960 when you have trees that you can you can hit, 0:26:47.000 --> 0:26:50.440 you know, with your rangefinders. So you know, on day four, 0:26:50.560 --> 0:26:52.760 I'm like, you know, if he crosses through the middle, 0:26:52.760 --> 0:26:54.800 he's going to be at seventy four. If he crosses 0:26:54.840 --> 0:26:56.760 through right here, he's going to be at you know, 0:26:57.160 --> 0:27:01.520 you know, fifty four, and you know, ideally he's fifty 0:27:01.560 --> 0:27:06.240 and in and so all those things were going through 0:27:06.280 --> 0:27:08.560 my mind. In any any you know, kind of hooked 0:27:08.560 --> 0:27:11.119 and came towards me. And that's when I knew that, 0:27:11.160 --> 0:27:12.679 like I was going to get a shot off because 0:27:13.000 --> 0:27:15.239 he was within any range that he came through at 0:27:15.240 --> 0:27:16.960 that point, he was within the range. 0:27:16.880 --> 0:27:20.320 Yeah, gotcha, gotcha. No, it's a it was a great buck. 0:27:20.359 --> 0:27:22.560 I got the you know, I don't did I take 0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:25.280 him to Utah or just picked him up, but got them. 0:27:25.280 --> 0:27:30.280 And I think you took him to Utah and then around. 0:27:30.080 --> 0:27:33.520 Next year yeah or yeah or something yeah, some yeah, 0:27:33.560 --> 0:27:35.960 a giant buck, you know, two hundred three inch typical, 0:27:36.840 --> 0:27:39.560 just a just a stud of a buck. Like I 0:27:39.560 --> 0:27:43.560 said that for for six years and then you go, 0:27:44.119 --> 0:27:46.720 you know, one hundred and seventy inch Idaho white tail 0:27:46.840 --> 0:27:48.960 two years ago or last last it would have been 0:27:49.040 --> 0:27:52.320 two hunting seasons ago. But last year, twenty twenty three season, 0:27:53.280 --> 0:27:56.160 you kill one hundred and seventy inch Idaho white tail, 0:27:56.200 --> 0:28:01.000 which just you know, a great buck. How does that 0:28:01.119 --> 0:28:03.159 hunt go for you? Like, what's your strategy on that? 0:28:03.280 --> 0:28:05.840 You know? Talking to Dirk who's my co host here, 0:28:05.920 --> 0:28:08.240 you know, mature Idaho white tails seem to be kind 0:28:08.240 --> 0:28:09.919 of making a comeback, but they're kind of on a 0:28:09.920 --> 0:28:13.760 pretty big down trend. You know, Dirk would cuss out 0:28:13.800 --> 0:28:16.359 you and call you an apple maggot and everything else. 0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:19.040 But uh no, dude, we've got to have dinner with Dirk, 0:28:19.320 --> 0:28:21.679 you know before and he likes you. But you know, 0:28:21.760 --> 0:28:24.080 it's like the white Tel's coming back. But like, what's 0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:25.879 your approach to that white tail hunt? Like, how do 0:28:25.920 --> 0:28:28.200 you go about it? You know, without the ability to 0:28:28.240 --> 0:28:31.680 scout any of that if you what was your strategy 0:28:31.720 --> 0:28:33.280 on and going? And it sounds like your dad had 0:28:33.320 --> 0:28:34.960 a chance. This passed year on a on a good 0:28:35.000 --> 0:28:37.399 one that didn't you know, I know you mentioned you 0:28:37.400 --> 0:28:39.120 know you wish you were the trigger guy, but sometimes 0:28:39.200 --> 0:28:41.280 you gotta let the the old men, uh, you know, 0:28:41.320 --> 0:28:44.280 have a chance. But what's what's that Idaho hunt look like? 0:28:44.320 --> 0:28:46.800 How do you strategize and plan for that? Yeah? 0:28:46.880 --> 0:28:50.320 So like the Idaho thing, what happened was a couple 0:28:51.280 --> 0:28:55.520 three years ago, we we went up we you know, 0:28:55.560 --> 0:28:58.160 the whole Idaho system. I was online trying to get 0:28:58.200 --> 0:29:00.920 a tag for for ELK. It didn't have up and 0:29:01.080 --> 0:29:03.080 I had a buddy that was like, hey, we can 0:29:03.120 --> 0:29:05.880 go to this deer unit. I was like sure, you know, 0:29:06.320 --> 0:29:09.280 and we drove around the first day, we knew some 0:29:09.320 --> 0:29:11.760 people that had local people here that were also over there, 0:29:11.760 --> 0:29:13.560 and we you know, we're just kind of getting a 0:29:13.560 --> 0:29:16.160 little bit of intel. Not nobody's spots, but just like, 0:29:16.680 --> 0:29:18.600 you know, there's deer everywhere, but where do you guys suggest? 0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:21.200 And we're getting some pointers from people. And we drove 0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:24.280 around the first ad a lot of snow, and we 0:29:24.360 --> 0:29:26.480 never seen a single deer the first day and just 0:29:26.600 --> 0:29:30.000 driving around, you know, you know, I don't know, I 0:29:30.000 --> 0:29:31.480 didn't know how to hunt those white till I'd never 0:29:31.600 --> 0:29:34.920 killed killed one over there, and so never seen a deer. 0:29:35.080 --> 0:29:38.560 And so then we we got pictures of a buck 0:29:38.600 --> 0:29:41.160 that was killed there and it was massive. It was 0:29:41.160 --> 0:29:43.960 that one I sent you last night. Yeah, that that one. 0:29:43.960 --> 0:29:45.800 I was like, you know, we aren't even seeing a 0:29:45.880 --> 0:29:48.440 dough you know, what what are they doing? And some 0:29:48.640 --> 0:29:51.320 they said, well, he was sitting on a trail, and 0:29:51.360 --> 0:29:53.680 I was like, sitting on a trail, like what you know? 0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:57.200 And and and so it really stuck with me because 0:29:57.240 --> 0:30:00.200 I'm open to learning and I've never done it. And 0:30:00.280 --> 0:30:02.600 so the next day we were driving around in a 0:30:02.600 --> 0:30:04.680 new area a lot of snow, which kind of played 0:30:04.680 --> 0:30:08.160 a factor in this, and my buddy, you know, we're 0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:10.240 just driving around a logging road and he's like, oh, 0:30:10.400 --> 0:30:11.920 hold on, you know one of those deals where it 0:30:11.960 --> 0:30:14.560 was like a buck that was standing up on the 0:30:14.640 --> 0:30:16.360 hill and he ended up in a buck that day. 0:30:17.000 --> 0:30:19.160 And I was like, Ash, there must be more deer 0:30:19.160 --> 0:30:20.960 over here, because it was the first success we had had. 0:30:21.200 --> 0:30:23.719 And so I started looking like in the timber as 0:30:23.720 --> 0:30:25.280 we were driving back with his buck in the in 0:30:25.320 --> 0:30:27.320 the bed of the truck, and I seen this this 0:30:27.400 --> 0:30:30.000 trail come off the hillside and it had you know, 0:30:30.040 --> 0:30:32.440 it was two or three feet wide with just tracks 0:30:32.800 --> 0:30:37.200 in the snow. Luckily there was snow, and I remember 0:30:37.200 --> 0:30:38.800 thinking like, I'm gonna come back in the same area 0:30:38.840 --> 0:30:40.480 tomorrow after we get this thing taking care of. So 0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:42.600 we took it back, and it happened to me that 0:30:42.640 --> 0:30:45.840 my buddy, he was like cutting his deer down the back, 0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:48.240 you know, doing that method. Well that the skin was 0:30:48.240 --> 0:30:50.560 real like frozen, and his knife slipped and he like 0:30:50.640 --> 0:30:52.760 slit his leg open. And I had taken to the 0:30:52.760 --> 0:30:56.000 emergency room that night, so the next day he couldn't 0:30:56.040 --> 0:30:57.800 hunt with me. And so I'm like, hey, don't worry 0:30:57.800 --> 0:30:59.400 about no problem. I'll be fine, you know. And so 0:30:59.440 --> 0:31:01.560 I went out on my own and I went back 0:31:01.600 --> 0:31:03.520 to that I marked it, you know, on my on X, 0:31:03.600 --> 0:31:05.920 and I went back to that same exact trail and 0:31:06.000 --> 0:31:07.760 I walked up it and I was like, well, this 0:31:07.800 --> 0:31:08.880 is what they said to do, you know. It was 0:31:08.920 --> 0:31:11.240 like sit on this trail. So I sat there, and 0:31:12.080 --> 0:31:15.000 luckily it didn't take very long, like thirty minutes. Here 0:31:15.080 --> 0:31:17.680 come like a little dough, you know, right over my shoulder, 0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:18.440 like fifteen yards. 0:31:18.560 --> 0:31:20.880 So can I ask a quick question to talking, like 0:31:21.000 --> 0:31:22.520 are you in the timber or do you have some 0:31:22.680 --> 0:31:24.280 like are you above tree lining? Could you have some 0:31:24.360 --> 0:31:26.160 visibility or is it a clearcut? Are you just like 0:31:26.280 --> 0:31:28.000 in the timber on this trail. 0:31:28.360 --> 0:31:33.200 So my first you know time up this trail, I 0:31:33.320 --> 0:31:37.440 was in the brush and I realized I didn't know 0:31:37.480 --> 0:31:40.040 that there was open timber around me. And so when 0:31:40.080 --> 0:31:41.920 I seen this dough coming over my shoulder at you know, 0:31:42.000 --> 0:31:44.920 ten yards or so, I was thinking to myself, like, 0:31:45.080 --> 0:31:46.760 you know, I can't believe this worked. You know, like 0:31:46.800 --> 0:31:49.200 there's a deer right there, and I could kill it 0:31:49.200 --> 0:31:51.440 if I wanted to. It's it's dough war buck over there. 0:31:51.440 --> 0:31:54.840 But so, you know, luckily it came pretty QUI because 0:31:54.840 --> 0:31:57.080 wouldn't have sat there all day and just got skunked. 0:31:58.080 --> 0:32:00.520 So it was pretty thick, and I didn't see her 0:32:00.600 --> 0:32:02.880 till about ten yards, and so I sat there for 0:32:02.920 --> 0:32:05.320 a little bit longer and it wasn't another twenty minutes. 0:32:05.360 --> 0:32:08.040 Here come another deer, same trail, and so I was like, 0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:09.920 maybe I'm like sitting in the trail here, because it 0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:11.800 was the same trail, same spot ten yards away from me. 0:32:11.840 --> 0:32:14.280 It was a little fok and horn, and I was like, 0:32:14.280 --> 0:32:15.680 I got to get out of the spot, you know. 0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:19.400 So I walked up the trail a little bit and 0:32:19.960 --> 0:32:23.480 midday noon and I walk up the trail probably sixty 0:32:23.520 --> 0:32:25.920 seven yards and it started to really open up, and 0:32:25.960 --> 0:32:27.200 I was like, this is a good spot. 0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:27.719 You know. 0:32:28.040 --> 0:32:30.360 It's kind of a downhill slope to a bench. And 0:32:30.400 --> 0:32:32.320 as I've kind of learned about this white tail stuff, 0:32:32.440 --> 0:32:34.240 it was deer like to travel on those benches because 0:32:34.280 --> 0:32:37.240 it's flatter and then they're looking for the saddles. I've 0:32:37.320 --> 0:32:39.160 learned a lot about it, and I've really studied it 0:32:39.200 --> 0:32:41.480 because you know, it's kind of my my hobby and 0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:44.040 my passion now. But it's kind of a good spot 0:32:44.080 --> 0:32:46.959 because it, you know, it's it's a down to a bench. 0:32:47.320 --> 0:32:49.240 So I sit at the top of that slope and 0:32:49.280 --> 0:32:51.920 I look down at that bench and I sat there 0:32:52.040 --> 0:32:53.600 the rest of the day and I think I seen, 0:32:53.800 --> 0:32:57.160 you know, I don't know, eleven twelve deer total, and 0:32:57.400 --> 0:33:01.400 I should have got a buck. I missed the opportunity. 0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:03.720 So I get back to where we were staying at 0:33:03.760 --> 0:33:06.120 the cabin and we're all sharing hunting stories, and the 0:33:06.160 --> 0:33:07.760 guys is like, what did you guys see, you know, 0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:10.120 and they're all like, oh, we've seen seven today, and 0:33:10.240 --> 0:33:12.560 I was I was singing myself, like, well I seen twelve, 0:33:12.640 --> 0:33:15.720 just sitting in one spot, and you know, they're like, oh, 0:33:15.760 --> 0:33:17.920 where were you at? You know, and and so I 0:33:17.960 --> 0:33:19.520 was like, well, maybe this is working. So I went 0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:21.600 back the next day and I hate to admit it, 0:33:21.640 --> 0:33:24.040 but I missed a really nice buck that year, and 0:33:24.200 --> 0:33:26.520 it just made me so sick to my stomach. And 0:33:27.480 --> 0:33:29.400 it was like the last day, and it was a 0:33:29.920 --> 0:33:32.880 good buck. I'm not huge, but just a nice buck. 0:33:33.520 --> 0:33:38.880 And I kind of powdered over it. I drew blood, 0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:41.200 not very much though, it was just like a little 0:33:41.200 --> 0:33:44.720 sprits of blood. And anyway, I kind of powdered over it. 0:33:44.720 --> 0:33:45.920 And I was like, let's just go home because my 0:33:45.960 --> 0:33:47.880 buddy had already tagged out stabbed hisself in the leg, 0:33:47.960 --> 0:33:50.360 and we headed home. Well, it just ate at me 0:33:50.480 --> 0:33:52.040 for the rest of the year. And so I went 0:33:52.080 --> 0:33:54.760 back this last year and I was like, I'm committing 0:33:54.920 --> 0:33:57.480 to you know, how many every days I hunt, whether 0:33:57.520 --> 0:34:00.240 it's seven or ten or whatever, I have daylight to 0:34:00.320 --> 0:34:03.720 dark under that one tree and I'm going to sit 0:34:03.720 --> 0:34:05.960 there and that's I feel, that's what it takes. And 0:34:07.120 --> 0:34:09.600 some days I see zero and some days I see 0:34:09.800 --> 0:34:14.600 twenty two. And I killed that buck on day It 0:34:14.600 --> 0:34:16.319 was funny. My dad was with me that year, and 0:34:17.640 --> 0:34:19.640 he's not as patient as I am. He left on 0:34:19.760 --> 0:34:24.719 day probably four, but day five seven am I and 0:34:24.760 --> 0:34:26.759 my dad texted me because he was sitting laying in bed, 0:34:26.800 --> 0:34:28.560 you know, at home, and he goes anything, and I 0:34:28.600 --> 0:34:30.879 texted him back, nope, nothing, And I looked up and 0:34:31.400 --> 0:34:33.439 there's that one hundred and seventy inch buck down there 0:34:33.440 --> 0:34:36.600 on that bench, just strolling through and I and I 0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:39.640 shot him, and you know, these shots are seventy yards. 0:34:39.719 --> 0:34:40.680 That's why I was so sick. 0:34:40.520 --> 0:34:40.880 Over that one. 0:34:40.920 --> 0:34:44.799 I missed it. It was a layup, but that's how 0:34:44.840 --> 0:34:46.680 I killed that one. And then this year we missed 0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:50.600 an opportunity on one. But I really think it's the 0:34:50.640 --> 0:34:54.040 consistency of sitting there and not giving up on it. 0:34:54.320 --> 0:34:56.640 And you know, you could see one deer like that 0:34:56.760 --> 0:34:59.000 was that buck, that one hundred and seventy inch buck. 0:34:59.000 --> 0:35:01.080 That was the one deer I had seen in three days. 0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:04.600 My dad, he came out in the middle of the 0:35:04.640 --> 0:35:06.560 day he was leaving, and we went and drove around. 0:35:06.600 --> 0:35:08.400 We seen this really nice buck on a tailgate and 0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:09.680 I was like, jeez, look at that buck. You know, 0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:11.160 we pulled in. We're kind of just talking to the 0:35:11.200 --> 0:35:14.000 guy and he said he just walked in the woods 0:35:14.000 --> 0:35:16.480 and rattled. And five minutes later this buck stuck his 0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:17.920 head out behind the tree. And I was thinking, like 0:35:18.120 --> 0:35:19.759 that's all it takes, you know, here I am sitting 0:35:19.800 --> 0:35:23.000 under this tree for twenty four hours, and he. 0:35:23.080 --> 0:35:25.200 Might start some rattling, you know, in the future. 0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:29.320 You know, I've I've rattled. It's just never it's never worked. 0:35:29.520 --> 0:35:32.879 And not to say that it won't work, but I've 0:35:32.920 --> 0:35:35.920 never successfully had one just come and do that, you know. 0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:38.960 And so I I was like, what do you think, 0:35:39.000 --> 0:35:40.279 you know, like, am I crazy for sitting on this 0:35:40.400 --> 0:35:42.600 I haven't seen the deer in two days? And he goes, 0:35:42.960 --> 0:35:45.040 you know, that spot's as good as any other. And 0:35:45.080 --> 0:35:48.319 so he's like, it's up you know, fifty to fifty probably, 0:35:48.360 --> 0:35:49.799 And so I said, well, I'm going to commit to it. 0:35:49.960 --> 0:35:51.600 And the next days when I killed that buck. 0:35:51.520 --> 0:35:55.600 Gotcha, do you feel the days you see zero, it's 0:35:55.640 --> 0:35:57.480 just not a good day or is there a potential 0:35:57.480 --> 0:35:59.080 the wind's not Is the wind pretty good in the 0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:00.759 spot that you consider every day, or do you have 0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:02.640 to play the wind and maybe not going there a 0:36:02.680 --> 0:36:04.480 day or two, or you know, if you were in 0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:06.040 a tree stand, would you not be able to see 0:36:06.080 --> 0:36:08.399 under the trees? Like is there a you think there's 0:36:08.400 --> 0:36:09.960 a way to make it better? You just kind of 0:36:10.480 --> 0:36:14.560 play it there every day and you know the wind's marginal, 0:36:14.680 --> 0:36:16.040 or how do you how does that work out? 0:36:16.239 --> 0:36:18.919 I've thought a lot about this. I've thought about bringing 0:36:18.960 --> 0:36:21.720 out a blind, because I mean I've I just literally 0:36:21.760 --> 0:36:23.759 took a dirt spot under a tree and made a 0:36:23.800 --> 0:36:28.399 little seat for myself, and I've thought about like one 0:36:28.400 --> 0:36:32.759 of those like blinds work. The reason I haven't done 0:36:32.840 --> 0:36:34.840 that is because I don't have the time to go 0:36:34.880 --> 0:36:36.800 over there and set this up like three weeks early, 0:36:36.840 --> 0:36:38.480 you know, and kind of get the deer used to it. 0:36:39.000 --> 0:36:41.200 And I don't want to waste a year and put 0:36:41.280 --> 0:36:43.160 up this blind and then you know, just bring your 0:36:43.200 --> 0:36:44.600 scent in there. Then like do you not see a 0:36:44.640 --> 0:36:46.040 deer for the first three days and it's like, well, yeah, 0:36:46.080 --> 0:36:47.839 you brought this brand new blind in that they aren't 0:36:47.840 --> 0:36:51.120 going to want to walk by. So there's probably better 0:36:51.200 --> 0:36:53.120 method to do it. If a guy had more time 0:36:53.440 --> 0:36:55.120 as far as not seeing the deer on a day 0:36:55.160 --> 0:36:59.960 to day basis. You know, part of me thinks is 0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:02.200 could be wind, but also the deer come from every angle, 0:37:02.360 --> 0:37:04.839 you know. Like I had a one horned or one 0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:09.040 antler buck come in behind me this last year, you know, 0:37:09.080 --> 0:37:11.440 and he was ten yards behind me. He blew at me. 0:37:11.719 --> 0:37:13.640 He must have seen my shoulder or something behind the tree. 0:37:13.680 --> 0:37:16.040 But I turned around and there he was sitting at 0:37:16.120 --> 0:37:18.200 ten yards and he ran off. I couldn't get shot 0:37:18.200 --> 0:37:20.319 out of I probably would have one of the last days. 0:37:20.360 --> 0:37:22.839 But you know, they come in from every angle, and 0:37:22.920 --> 0:37:25.960 so it's hard to say the wind because if it, 0:37:26.360 --> 0:37:28.279 you know, if it's blowing one way, then they might 0:37:28.360 --> 0:37:30.440 be coming in from that direction that day. And if 0:37:30.440 --> 0:37:31.960 it's blown the other way, they might you know, you 0:37:32.040 --> 0:37:33.800 might see more coming from that direction. 0:37:34.080 --> 0:37:36.160 So it's not like a consistent movement. Everything comes from 0:37:36.200 --> 0:37:39.759 one direction, and you know, swipes through it. They're they're 0:37:39.920 --> 0:37:41.640 they're able to come from everywhere, and that's kind of 0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:42.440 how it works. 0:37:42.840 --> 0:37:45.239 It's more so like that I know what trails are 0:37:45.280 --> 0:37:47.439 going to be on, you know, I don't know which 0:37:47.480 --> 0:37:49.960 way they're going to be going, but I have a 0:37:50.000 --> 0:37:53.120 good idea what trails are going to be on gotcha? 0:37:53.800 --> 0:37:56.160 Gotcha? Yeah, the stud sounds like your dad had a 0:37:56.280 --> 0:37:58.719 chance at a good one. And you know, I've been 0:37:58.760 --> 0:38:02.160 I've only been white tillhunting Kansas, which more trees trees stand, 0:38:02.160 --> 0:38:03.839 and I haven't had to figure a lot of it out. 0:38:03.840 --> 0:38:05.239 But like, some of that stuff starts to go through 0:38:05.239 --> 0:38:06.480 my head because there'll be days where you're in the 0:38:06.520 --> 0:38:08.520 best spot on the place and you'll have lots of deer, 0:38:08.520 --> 0:38:10.080 but they're catching your wind even when you're in a 0:38:10.120 --> 0:38:13.799 twenty foot tall tree stand. So like as I as 0:38:13.840 --> 0:38:16.120 I want to expand and learn about these white tails, 0:38:16.200 --> 0:38:18.040 it always makes me wonder, like, you know, the days 0:38:18.040 --> 0:38:19.800 you don't see anything, like are they winning you before 0:38:19.840 --> 0:38:21.400 they get there? Or is it just the day that 0:38:21.600 --> 0:38:24.560 there's not good movement, you know, and or they're not 0:38:24.600 --> 0:38:27.080 in the area. It always makes you wonder why and 0:38:27.080 --> 0:38:29.200 how come certain days you can see twenty and some 0:38:29.280 --> 0:38:30.160 days will see zero. 0:38:30.920 --> 0:38:33.040 I have wondered that too, and I've thought about you know, 0:38:33.280 --> 0:38:35.000 what I'm doing is no different than like, you know, 0:38:35.040 --> 0:38:37.399 the Kansas type of style of hunting. You know, they're 0:38:37.440 --> 0:38:39.440 just sitting in trees, and I think their deer populations 0:38:39.480 --> 0:38:43.560 a lot more than Yeah, yeah, a lot, a lot better. 0:38:43.600 --> 0:38:48.040 But that's it's the same concept. And you know, you 0:38:48.120 --> 0:38:50.640 do you can't hunt meal deer the same hunt the 0:38:50.640 --> 0:38:53.759 same way you hunt whitetail. And and you know you 0:38:53.800 --> 0:38:55.919 got to hunt black tail different than how you hunt 0:38:56.880 --> 0:38:58.759 you know, meal deer and white tail. And so I 0:38:59.160 --> 0:39:04.320 think the best strategy with white tail is a waiting game. 0:39:05.040 --> 0:39:08.120 They're so flighty they you know, So I sit in 0:39:08.160 --> 0:39:10.759 this open timber where I can see seventy to one 0:39:10.840 --> 0:39:15.359 hundred yards and you just catch them cruising. And you know, 0:39:15.440 --> 0:39:17.200 I've had days ri I sing twenty four and I've 0:39:17.200 --> 0:39:19.440 had days where I see in zero. But it's it 0:39:19.480 --> 0:39:21.799 takes a lot of discipline to sit there day in, 0:39:21.920 --> 0:39:25.600 day out, and because all it takes is one And 0:39:25.680 --> 0:39:28.960 so I think that that's a good strategy if a 0:39:29.000 --> 0:39:30.239 guy has the patience. 0:39:30.360 --> 0:39:32.520 Yeah. And one thing we haven't even touched on this 0:39:32.560 --> 0:39:35.760 conversation is my own belief is you know, we see 0:39:35.960 --> 0:39:37.680 you get to see on social media. You know, maybe 0:39:37.680 --> 0:39:39.799 thousands of people go to Idaho and shoot bucks out 0:39:39.800 --> 0:39:42.960 of clearcuts. They're killing small bucks. I honestly believe to 0:39:43.040 --> 0:39:45.040 kill the bigger bucks, like you guys are seeing or 0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:48.320 have chances at tucking in the timber and being away 0:39:48.400 --> 0:39:50.359 from you know, even though these bucks are rut, they're 0:39:50.360 --> 0:39:53.520 not necessarily completely dumb. Yet you're gonna get your chance 0:39:53.560 --> 0:39:56.760 at your bigger bucks inside of a patch of timber 0:39:56.960 --> 0:39:59.680 or a brush that that buck just feels more comfortable 0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:00.560 being in. 0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:04.239 Well, that's what my spot. The way I kind of 0:40:04.239 --> 0:40:07.520 feel about it is it's an all day hunt, you know. 0:40:07.600 --> 0:40:10.799 I mean, if you're hunting clearcuts, typically it's like, you know, 0:40:10.800 --> 0:40:12.560 we got to be there right at first light, we 0:40:12.640 --> 0:40:15.040 got to be there right at last light. You know. 0:40:15.239 --> 0:40:16.960 The best chance for him to move is or come 0:40:17.000 --> 0:40:19.440 out and feed is you know, right before dark or 0:40:19.760 --> 0:40:22.480 or you know, And how I feel sitting in the 0:40:22.520 --> 0:40:25.239 timber is this is where they live their day to 0:40:25.320 --> 0:40:28.680 day life, and so you know, it kind of makes mentally, 0:40:28.880 --> 0:40:31.239 I kind of you know, trick myself into believing that 0:40:31.520 --> 0:40:34.799 it could happen at any time, and especially during the run. 0:40:34.840 --> 0:40:36.520 You know, if you get a hot dough, that buck 0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:37.920 doesn't care what time the day is. He's going to 0:40:37.920 --> 0:40:41.600 follow her wherever she goes. And I've had deer, you know, 0:40:41.680 --> 0:40:45.840 come and you know, lay down twenty yards for me, 0:40:45.920 --> 0:40:48.400 just bed down, and that tells me that I'm in 0:40:48.400 --> 0:40:51.359 their bedroom. And you know, when you feel like you're 0:40:51.400 --> 0:40:55.239 in their bedroom, it doesn't feel necessarily like a you know, 0:40:55.360 --> 0:40:58.560 like a morning hunt or you know, like all your 0:40:58.600 --> 0:41:00.640 eggs are in the morning and then like I don't 0:41:00.680 --> 0:41:03.920 go back for lunch. I sit there all day. And 0:41:03.960 --> 0:41:06.759 the reason is is because you know, like a nice 0:41:06.760 --> 0:41:09.080 buck comes throlling through it at noon. There's no reason, 0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:10.560 you know, it's not like they crawl into a hole. 0:41:10.560 --> 0:41:12.080 They got to be somewhere. And so I'm sitting in 0:41:12.080 --> 0:41:14.799 the timber and there's not a lot of clearcuts around there, 0:41:14.800 --> 0:41:16.600 so they got to be somewhere. And so if you 0:41:16.640 --> 0:41:18.040 just sit there and you know, I bring a little 0:41:18.040 --> 0:41:21.880 sandwich and just try to stay quiet, and you know, 0:41:21.960 --> 0:41:25.040 that's that's what I usually do. Where if you're hunting clearcuts, 0:41:25.040 --> 0:41:26.719 it's more like a morning in the night time. 0:41:26.880 --> 0:41:31.000 And so yeah, gotcha, Well thanks for sharing kind of 0:41:31.000 --> 0:41:33.360 that that white tail tactic and you know how you 0:41:33.400 --> 0:41:44.560 approach it. So I knew who you were. We'd already 0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:46.399 talked in twenty twenty, but I get a message from 0:41:46.440 --> 0:41:48.399 Dirk and John who happened to be hunting the same 0:41:49.000 --> 0:41:52.480 unit as you and twenty twenty one or twenty two, 0:41:52.560 --> 0:41:56.359 I believe Elk and they messaged me. They're like, once again, Dirk, Hey, 0:41:56.520 --> 0:41:58.279 who's this apple maggot? Tell it? Do you know this 0:41:58.360 --> 0:42:01.640 guy is? Well, you're you also, we'll get into this 0:42:01.640 --> 0:42:03.360 in a little bit. You you do real estate, but 0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:06.719 you also do some i'll call it driveway grading. I 0:42:06.760 --> 0:42:08.040 don't know if you want to put a different spin 0:42:08.120 --> 0:42:11.720 on it. You yeah, your re you re rehabilitate roads 0:42:11.840 --> 0:42:16.160 driveways as another business. And I believe your TRS logo 0:42:16.280 --> 0:42:17.920 was on the side of your truck or something that 0:42:18.040 --> 0:42:19.839 let they let me know. They're like, who is this? Well, 0:42:19.840 --> 0:42:23.120 first it didn't like catch on, so I Google search 0:42:23.280 --> 0:42:25.680 your name. I'm like, oh, that's Tucker. Like if you 0:42:25.680 --> 0:42:28.480 see him, you know, flip him crap. And uh, you 0:42:28.480 --> 0:42:30.640 guys happened to be hunting the same same area in Elk. 0:42:30.680 --> 0:42:31.840 But what I want to get to on this is 0:42:31.880 --> 0:42:34.160 you've hunted it. You hunted it for a couple of years, 0:42:34.760 --> 0:42:39.120 right and then now you know I had been in 0:42:39.160 --> 0:42:42.759 the area before and and they gave you a just 0:42:42.800 --> 0:42:45.759 a recommendation. Hey, you know you were in elk. You 0:42:45.800 --> 0:42:48.719 had chances you've seen good elk, but you had had 0:42:48.719 --> 0:42:50.960 you ever put it all together yet on that hunt. 0:42:52.040 --> 0:42:56.160 And that was pretty early I got I remember, I 0:42:56.160 --> 0:42:57.400 texted you and I said, what do you what do 0:42:57.400 --> 0:42:59.480 you know about this unit? And you're just you sent 0:42:59.480 --> 0:43:01.600 me a screen shot of your calendar which was to 0:43:01.600 --> 0:43:03.160 apply to that unit. So I knew I was on 0:43:03.200 --> 0:43:09.279 the right track. And uh, my my wife's uncle, you know, 0:43:09.560 --> 0:43:14.040 he's he's getting older now, seventy or in his sixties. Anyway, 0:43:14.120 --> 0:43:16.839 he kind of put me in that direction. He said 0:43:16.880 --> 0:43:20.719 he'd hunted twenty years ago for Spike, and so that's 0:43:20.800 --> 0:43:22.960 kind of how I ended up there. And then when 0:43:22.960 --> 0:43:24.960 I talked to you about it, you kind of re 0:43:25.000 --> 0:43:30.440 you know, reaffirmed my questions about it. So I found 0:43:30.440 --> 0:43:34.240 myself there and just like anywhere, just going into it blind. 0:43:34.280 --> 0:43:36.080 In fact, I took I took my wife Madison the 0:43:36.080 --> 0:43:39.880 first year I went, and she she probably doesn't like 0:43:39.920 --> 0:43:42.520 to dive into the canyons as as much as I do, 0:43:42.600 --> 0:43:46.360 and so I probably didn't hunt as hard as I 0:43:47.120 --> 0:43:49.840 should have to get a ELK out of an OTC units. 0:43:49.840 --> 0:43:52.440 It's so competitive everywhere you go and I didn't. I 0:43:52.440 --> 0:43:54.000 didn't get a bowl that year. Then the next year 0:43:54.000 --> 0:43:58.080 I actually drew. I actually drew. There's a quality rifle tag. 0:43:59.680 --> 0:44:02.480 And so I've had success in the unit, and I'm 0:44:02.520 --> 0:44:05.239 a firm believe that there's elk there. You just got to, 0:44:05.320 --> 0:44:07.240 you know, learn it and keep going back and trying 0:44:07.239 --> 0:44:10.960 new things. And and so I kind of bounce around 0:44:11.080 --> 0:44:13.120 in the unit, you know, I don't necessarily stay in 0:44:13.120 --> 0:44:13.600 one spot. 0:44:13.920 --> 0:44:15.719 Yeah, and we we talked and then I had went 0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:19.040 and hunted it finally, and then you went back and 0:44:19.080 --> 0:44:21.160 I'm like, hey, this, you know, we this is a 0:44:21.160 --> 0:44:24.200 general area maybe not as busy, maybe as busy as 0:44:24.239 --> 0:44:25.799 where that was one thing we talked about your old 0:44:25.800 --> 0:44:28.400 spot as there was a lot of traffic around, you know, 0:44:28.440 --> 0:44:33.200 both outfitter and dioy type guys and what I. I 0:44:33.239 --> 0:44:34.800 don't want to take any credit for this. We just 0:44:34.880 --> 0:44:37.120 kind of threw in an area and you went and 0:44:37.160 --> 0:44:38.879 checked it out and there were elk there, and then 0:44:38.880 --> 0:44:40.799 you kind of spun off of that, right, you felt 0:44:40.800 --> 0:44:43.600 some pressure. You talked to it. And this is another 0:44:43.640 --> 0:44:46.920 great tidbit of information. I believe you talked to somebody, right, 0:44:46.960 --> 0:44:49.160 and they had made mention of a different spot, and 0:44:49.160 --> 0:44:51.600 so you kind of spun off of the area and 0:44:52.440 --> 0:44:54.719 kind of give us that little rundown on how you 0:44:55.239 --> 0:44:56.960 how you went from talking to that guy, how you 0:44:57.040 --> 0:44:59.319 kind of cased the area and kind of figured out 0:44:59.360 --> 0:45:03.160 your plans at some cameras, left and then came back. Yeah. 0:45:03.200 --> 0:45:06.600 So I now, you know, on year five, I've been 0:45:06.640 --> 0:45:09.799 to a lot of the you know, the unit and 0:45:11.960 --> 0:45:14.920 you know, for the most part, US hunters are are 0:45:15.200 --> 0:45:18.160 good people, you know. I mean, you know, like when 0:45:18.160 --> 0:45:20.040 I left last year, I met some guys from Minnesota 0:45:20.080 --> 0:45:23.479 and and uh, you know, I was leaving empty handed, 0:45:23.480 --> 0:45:25.080 and I was like, hey, there was a bull, you 0:45:25.120 --> 0:45:27.440 know in that drainage. I couldn't get on him, but 0:45:27.719 --> 0:45:31.560 have at him, you know. And I kind of appreciate 0:45:31.600 --> 0:45:34.719 that with with US Hunters because I appreciate the same 0:45:34.760 --> 0:45:36.799 intel myself. You know, if I was just rolling because 0:45:36.920 --> 0:45:38.440 it's a month long hunt and so if I was 0:45:38.480 --> 0:45:40.680 just rolling in on day fifteen and they're just leaving, 0:45:40.719 --> 0:45:44.440 and you know, and so I've kind of you know, 0:45:44.440 --> 0:45:48.200 I meet people. I'm a talker, I'm in sales, and uh, 0:45:48.600 --> 0:45:50.799 it kind of just led to like like a guy 0:45:50.840 --> 0:45:53.440 that was in the same situation I was where he's like, 0:45:53.480 --> 0:45:55.080 I can't hunt this year, and he was just checking 0:45:55.080 --> 0:45:57.879 cameras and and he's like, you try this spot, this spot, 0:45:57.920 --> 0:46:00.600 and this spot gave me, you know, weeks worth of intel. 0:46:01.200 --> 0:46:03.879 And I mean I was already camped there. It wasn't like, hey, 0:46:04.280 --> 0:46:06.000 you know, head up the highway, turn this way. I 0:46:06.040 --> 0:46:11.359 mean I was already there and anyway, super great guy, 0:46:11.600 --> 0:46:15.759 and you know, I was appreciative of that. And so 0:46:15.800 --> 0:46:18.600 I got to try these different spots. And there's elk 0:46:18.680 --> 0:46:20.839 and all, there's elk all over. It's just a matter 0:46:20.840 --> 0:46:23.680 of making it come together with a bow. And I 0:46:23.760 --> 0:46:26.560 left empty handed, and I kind of I had some opportunity, 0:46:26.560 --> 0:46:28.680 but I kind of blamed it a little bit on early. 0:46:28.680 --> 0:46:31.560 I went early in the season thinking maybe if I 0:46:31.560 --> 0:46:33.560 would go early in the season, there will be less people, 0:46:34.040 --> 0:46:38.240 less bugles. But I would almost rather have less people 0:46:38.239 --> 0:46:41.799 than than you know, more talk. I kind of figured, well, 0:46:42.239 --> 0:46:44.160 I mean there'd be days where I wouldn't even hear 0:46:44.200 --> 0:46:46.520 a bugle, and that's real tough with the bow. And 0:46:46.560 --> 0:46:48.920 so I went home and I got you know, that 0:46:49.000 --> 0:46:51.279 season opens like the thirtieth of August or whatever it is, 0:46:51.320 --> 0:46:53.319 and you know. So here I am. I'd been there 0:46:53.320 --> 0:46:55.040 for a week, nine days or whatever it was, and 0:46:55.800 --> 0:46:57.880 I come home and it's like September seventh, you know, 0:46:57.880 --> 0:46:59.680 and here I'm sitting on this Idaho elk tag and 0:46:59.680 --> 0:47:02.320 it's set er seventh and I have, you know, twenty 0:47:02.360 --> 0:47:04.319 five more days left of the month, and it's like, gosh, 0:47:04.400 --> 0:47:06.399 I just can't sit here on this elk tags burning 0:47:06.440 --> 0:47:08.840 a hole in my pocket. And so with my work schedule, 0:47:08.840 --> 0:47:11.640 I kind of I kind of shifted and made room 0:47:11.680 --> 0:47:13.239 for another five days and I had it over there, 0:47:13.239 --> 0:47:14.479 and I killed a bowl on day two. 0:47:15.040 --> 0:47:17.280 Yeah, and that ended up being what a three twenty 0:47:17.360 --> 0:47:19.280 ish bowl if they were on the big side. 0:47:19.920 --> 0:47:22.680 Yeah, he was a funky horn bowl. He had a 0:47:22.680 --> 0:47:26.920 stunted growth on his left side, but if you were 0:47:26.960 --> 0:47:28.360 to double his other side, he would have been in 0:47:28.360 --> 0:47:29.200 like a three twenty bowl. 0:47:29.520 --> 0:47:32.640 And on that one you would in that new area 0:47:32.640 --> 0:47:35.280 went and explored, do it you you found a wallow 0:47:35.600 --> 0:47:38.960 that that they were hitting or using very regularly, And 0:47:38.960 --> 0:47:41.040 then did you set a camera on that before he left? 0:47:42.040 --> 0:47:43.600 No, I don't have a camera on that one. 0:47:44.200 --> 0:47:45.920 A different one, yeah, I. 0:47:45.880 --> 0:47:47.880 Have a different, different spot that I have cameras on 0:47:47.920 --> 0:47:49.960 I don't have a ton of cameras quite frankly. 0:47:50.239 --> 0:47:50.439 Yeah. 0:47:50.480 --> 0:47:53.480 I put some in my white tail spot. I put 0:47:53.520 --> 0:47:56.640 more up this year. I just kind of like to, 0:47:57.080 --> 0:47:58.680 you know, I see these YouTube guys and they have 0:47:58.760 --> 0:48:01.320 history with these animals, and you know, it's like it 0:48:01.440 --> 0:48:04.000 kind of like I kind of want that and be 0:48:04.080 --> 0:48:05.799 nice to see a three fifty bowl in there and 0:48:05.840 --> 0:48:07.799 be like, I'm after him. He's in here somewhere. But 0:48:08.800 --> 0:48:11.479 you know, being in Washington and you know, and being 0:48:12.000 --> 0:48:14.239 fifteen hours away from all this stuff, Yeah, being able 0:48:14.280 --> 0:48:16.320 to check and work, it's hard to it's hard to 0:48:16.360 --> 0:48:18.239 go over and check them and change batteries and keep 0:48:18.320 --> 0:48:18.880 up on them. 0:48:19.000 --> 0:48:22.160 Yep, Yeah, for sure. Yeah, So that was a I mean, 0:48:22.200 --> 0:48:24.960 the moral of that story, you know, is don't be 0:48:25.000 --> 0:48:27.040 afraid to go check out new areas. You know, because 0:48:27.040 --> 0:48:29.160 this was in a completely different area, you know, maybe 0:48:29.200 --> 0:48:31.080 an hour or two from where you were. You started 0:48:31.160 --> 0:48:33.680 hunting the area and found some success, and just by 0:48:33.719 --> 0:48:35.640 talking to you about that hunt, I think you're going 0:48:35.719 --> 0:48:38.759 to probably continue to find success in there, you know, 0:48:38.800 --> 0:48:41.360 the way you made it sound, and and you know, 0:48:41.400 --> 0:48:43.680 as many elker in there, so you'll find a spot 0:48:43.719 --> 0:48:45.480 same as similar as your white tail spot. That just 0:48:45.560 --> 0:48:47.600 kind of work. So let's get into some of the 0:48:47.680 --> 0:48:50.279 exciting stuff, kind of what's your future plans? I know, 0:48:51.239 --> 0:48:53.680 yeah you and then we've got a mutual friend justin 0:48:54.400 --> 0:48:56.279 that we we kind of talk about our dream hunts, 0:48:56.280 --> 0:48:57.719 you know, because you guys, I would say, are real 0:48:57.760 --> 0:49:00.239 similar to me like that, you know, that Alaska thing 0:49:00.360 --> 0:49:03.280 kind of really just you know, it turns our gears 0:49:03.400 --> 0:49:05.000 and we're trying to figure out how to get up there, 0:49:05.040 --> 0:49:07.239 but everything seems to be so dang expensive, and you 0:49:07.280 --> 0:49:09.440 got to have a guide orn outfitter. You're going to Canada. 0:49:09.480 --> 0:49:14.040 I went to Alaska. You've got your sheep hunt this year. Yep, 0:49:15.280 --> 0:49:17.600 So you're going to Canada for a doll sheep slash 0:49:17.680 --> 0:49:21.319 caribou hunt. I'm sure sheep is major priority number one, 0:49:21.320 --> 0:49:24.640 and caribou were going to play second fiddle to that. 0:49:24.680 --> 0:49:28.040 You're going up there with Lancaster, So like what else is? Like? 0:49:28.080 --> 0:49:29.880 How did you go about that? How did you? Like, 0:49:30.480 --> 0:49:32.960 you know, when I planned, I just went from one 0:49:32.960 --> 0:49:34.960 guy I knew the hunted with my outfitter bucked it, 0:49:35.120 --> 0:49:37.560 Like how did you? I mean? Landcaster is probably a 0:49:37.560 --> 0:49:39.840 little more popular, little more well known than the outfitter 0:49:39.880 --> 0:49:41.560 I chose in Alaska. But like, how did you come 0:49:41.600 --> 0:49:43.279 to the conclusion, Like that's who you wanted to go with? 0:49:43.360 --> 0:49:45.520 Did you? Did you call everybody up? Did you what 0:49:45.880 --> 0:49:48.239 gave you the confidence to finally you spend your hard 0:49:48.239 --> 0:49:49.480 earned money with those guys? 0:49:49.800 --> 0:49:52.600 Yeah, So how that sheep hunt even came about was 0:49:52.640 --> 0:49:55.680 back in twenty twenty one. My business started to do 0:49:55.760 --> 0:49:58.680 a lot better, and you know, I'm glued to YouTube 0:49:58.719 --> 0:50:02.319 and always watching new Hunt shows and finding new guys 0:50:02.360 --> 0:50:06.600 on there and and anyway, finally my wife was like, 0:50:06.680 --> 0:50:08.919 quit talking about it and just do it, and uh, 0:50:09.320 --> 0:50:10.719 you know, that's kind of what it came down to, 0:50:11.040 --> 0:50:14.880 was not you know, I have the ability to do it. 0:50:15.200 --> 0:50:18.960 Make it a priority and it'll happen. And so that's 0:50:19.000 --> 0:50:22.880 what I That's what I did. And I started asking around. 0:50:23.920 --> 0:50:27.239 There's a local guy here, Kevin Klumper. He he he 0:50:27.280 --> 0:50:29.640 has been several times at Lancaster and he's the one 0:50:29.640 --> 0:50:32.239 that kind of pointed me in that direction. He's been 0:50:32.239 --> 0:50:34.560 with them numerous times and so he said he put 0:50:34.600 --> 0:50:36.440 his name on them every day of the week. And 0:50:36.480 --> 0:50:39.120 so he's an Apple Vine guy as well. So that's 0:50:39.200 --> 0:50:42.120 that's kind of what put me in that direction. Was 0:50:42.160 --> 0:50:44.000 just a guy that you know, has been with him 0:50:44.040 --> 0:50:46.680 several times and he probably killed four doll sheep or 0:50:46.680 --> 0:50:49.719 something with him, and so that's why I went with them. 0:50:49.719 --> 0:50:51.640 And I'm pretty excited about him. 0:50:51.760 --> 0:50:57.440 Yeah, and the are all good, so doll sheep caribou. 0:50:57.719 --> 0:50:59.879 Like what are your expectations on that? You you talked 0:51:00.080 --> 0:51:02.960 earlier and it kind of stuck in my head. You know, 0:51:03.000 --> 0:51:06.000 even on the meal deer you know, you talk about 0:51:06.040 --> 0:51:09.040 like paying for a hunt versus expectations and not that 0:51:09.160 --> 0:51:11.279 I'm I'm only ten years older than you, but like 0:51:11.320 --> 0:51:14.479 to give you some guidance, like on this one's even more. 0:51:16.000 --> 0:51:18.040 It's going to weigh more on you because of how 0:51:18.160 --> 0:51:20.759 much more this is than the meal deer hunt. But 0:51:20.880 --> 0:51:22.759 like if I can offer any guidance, and it's hard 0:51:22.800 --> 0:51:26.840 because I'm very similar, like assume you're paying for the 0:51:26.920 --> 0:51:29.920 adventure and the doll sheep's extra, and like it was, 0:51:31.080 --> 0:51:33.120 it didn't set in and I would be I'd be 0:51:33.200 --> 0:51:35.120 lying to say I'm not a hypocrite on this, because 0:51:35.200 --> 0:51:37.480 until I got there, it was all about like I 0:51:37.560 --> 0:51:40.600 just really want to kill a ram. Yeah, I ended 0:51:40.640 --> 0:51:42.399 up killing it on day one and then I kind 0:51:42.400 --> 0:51:45.000 of missed the struggle. So it's like and just the 0:51:45.040 --> 0:51:46.359 area you're in, So I don't know if that's going 0:51:46.400 --> 0:51:47.680 to help you. It's probably not. You're gonna be like 0:51:47.719 --> 0:51:49.360 I don't, I don't care, like I still want to, 0:51:49.760 --> 0:51:51.360 and we talked about it like that was still my 0:51:51.480 --> 0:51:56.040 ultimate goal, but like I feel like worrying about it 0:51:56.080 --> 0:51:58.840 doesn't change the outcome, if that makes any sense. So 0:51:58.880 --> 0:52:02.799 I'm not trying to like your beer psychologist here, but 0:52:02.880 --> 0:52:05.000 it's like, you know what I mean, Like by having 0:52:05.040 --> 0:52:08.280 that worry or the stress or anxiety of it doesn't 0:52:08.440 --> 0:52:10.920 end up like killing it for you. So just enjoy 0:52:11.000 --> 0:52:13.480 everything you're doing and that's just gonna happen when it happens. 0:52:13.680 --> 0:52:15.040 If it is going to happen, it. 0:52:15.239 --> 0:52:19.160 You know, it's I don't have unlimited money, you know, 0:52:19.239 --> 0:52:20.919 Like some of these people are buying these sheep hunts 0:52:20.960 --> 0:52:23.720 at the Sheep Foundation and you know, eighty one hundred, 0:52:23.960 --> 0:52:27.320 two hundred and fifty grand and granted they're like fifty 0:52:27.560 --> 0:52:31.600 sixty seventy year old men. This was kind of like 0:52:31.719 --> 0:52:34.480 a you know, like make it a priority and it 0:52:34.480 --> 0:52:37.640 could happen type of deal, and so it's a big 0:52:37.680 --> 0:52:41.640 deal to me, and you know, and I plan to 0:52:41.680 --> 0:52:44.280 kind of keep making hunting a priority and go on more, 0:52:44.520 --> 0:52:49.000 but it totally weighs into the you know, like you 0:52:49.040 --> 0:52:50.719 want to get a sheep, and there's that pressure of 0:52:50.760 --> 0:52:53.600 you in whether it's a it's a good bull hunt, 0:52:53.600 --> 0:52:55.279 whether you have max points and you're burning them, and 0:52:55.320 --> 0:52:56.920 it's like, you know, like when I was on that 0:52:56.960 --> 0:52:58.960 Wyoming hunt, it was almost like I was more worried 0:52:58.960 --> 0:53:01.319 about the score than I was the hunt of the bowl. 0:53:01.840 --> 0:53:03.680 And it takes away a little bit of the fun 0:53:03.800 --> 0:53:06.200 because you're, you know, you're you're like, I don't want 0:53:06.200 --> 0:53:08.560 to waste these max points on a three hundred inch bowl, 0:53:08.560 --> 0:53:10.319 like I should be getting the three fifty bowl. But 0:53:10.440 --> 0:53:12.799 really what I signed up for. I didn't have a 0:53:14.080 --> 0:53:16.239 I didn't have an outfitter on that that first hunt, 0:53:16.280 --> 0:53:18.319 and I was so new to hunting, you know, because 0:53:18.320 --> 0:53:20.040 it was like the first real hunt I'd gone on 0:53:20.120 --> 0:53:22.200 since football and stuff, and I was like, all right, 0:53:22.239 --> 0:53:24.440 I'm done with football, that's cash these points. Well, I 0:53:24.520 --> 0:53:27.960 was so new to it, and you know, I got 0:53:27.960 --> 0:53:29.840 like a three hundred inch bowl. But you know, you 0:53:29.880 --> 0:53:31.760 would think a guy with max points in Wyoming should 0:53:31.760 --> 0:53:33.120 get like a three fifty bowl. And that's what I 0:53:33.160 --> 0:53:34.600 was beating myself over. 0:53:34.800 --> 0:53:35.560 Yeah, and so. 0:53:35.600 --> 0:53:36.880 Like it's kind of the sheep hunt, you know, when 0:53:36.920 --> 0:53:39.120 you pay money for it, it's like you should get 0:53:39.160 --> 0:53:41.640 like a stud ram and it's not how hunting works. 0:53:41.640 --> 0:53:45.000 And that's what makes hunting so great is the you know, 0:53:45.080 --> 0:53:46.880 like when it all comes together, like my you know, 0:53:46.920 --> 0:53:49.200 my meal deer, when it all comes together, it's like 0:53:49.440 --> 0:53:51.560 you weren't expecting it. It makes it that much better. But 0:53:52.360 --> 0:53:54.839 unfortunately you're gonna have to go, you know, come home 0:53:54.880 --> 0:53:58.239 empty handed sometimes to make those those moments feel even better. 0:53:58.440 --> 0:54:01.359 Yeah, And the other thing I realized when you get 0:54:01.360 --> 0:54:04.200 there is like these guides and outfitters can't control the weather. 0:54:04.440 --> 0:54:06.680 So you like the Alaska weather. I don't know if 0:54:06.680 --> 0:54:08.920 where you're going in Canada is any better. If it's 0:54:08.960 --> 0:54:12.480 still like we could literally be in the sun freezing 0:54:12.520 --> 0:54:15.160 to death. You know, it's clear and crisp and cold. 0:54:15.160 --> 0:54:17.000 The next second, I'm like trying to rush to get 0:54:17.000 --> 0:54:19.080 my rain gear on because the system moved in within 0:54:19.120 --> 0:54:21.080 like twenty minutes. So it's like the weather's out of 0:54:21.120 --> 0:54:24.680 your control, you know. I don't know about how those 0:54:24.680 --> 0:54:27.680 concessions work in Alaska or in Canada, but like, I 0:54:27.719 --> 0:54:30.920 don't know if pressures maybe a little more under control 0:54:30.920 --> 0:54:34.279 there because only certain people can hunt certain areas. But like, yeah, 0:54:34.360 --> 0:54:36.319 I know it's hard, and I'm talking out of both 0:54:36.320 --> 0:54:38.520 sides of my mouth, but like, if you can, if 0:54:38.520 --> 0:54:40.080 you can get to a place to like not put 0:54:40.120 --> 0:54:41.960 as much pressure on yourself, you're just gonna enjoy it 0:54:42.000 --> 0:54:44.360 more and you're and really all you can do is 0:54:44.400 --> 0:54:46.080 be in the best shape possible and be able to 0:54:46.080 --> 0:54:48.839 shoot your gun. That's gonna be my new. 0:54:49.719 --> 0:54:51.520 Justin our mutual friend there, you know, he was he 0:54:51.640 --> 0:54:54.399 went a few years ago, you know, probably eight years 0:54:54.440 --> 0:54:56.560 ago or so whatever it was. But you know, he said, 0:54:56.600 --> 0:54:58.440 like when he was getting off the plane, there was 0:54:58.480 --> 0:55:00.959 a guy loading up a like a you know, Boon 0:55:01.040 --> 0:55:03.680 and Crockett ram, and so he's thinking, oh, this is 0:55:03.719 --> 0:55:05.759 a good outfitter. I'm gonna get a good ram. He said, 0:55:05.840 --> 0:55:08.280 day one, he's seen a legal ram that wasn't real big, 0:55:08.920 --> 0:55:11.600 and it was like, day one, it's legal, do you 0:55:11.600 --> 0:55:13.439 shoot it? He passed it up and then never seen 0:55:13.480 --> 0:55:16.799 another one, and so it's like, man, do you play 0:55:16.840 --> 0:55:20.120 that game of like, I hope I'm not putting that position. Yeah, 0:55:20.320 --> 0:55:24.040 you just legal, but it's not real big, you know, 0:55:24.120 --> 0:55:25.400 and you pass it up and then you just get 0:55:25.480 --> 0:55:27.759 socked in foggy you can't control the weather, and it's like, 0:55:27.760 --> 0:55:29.600 well dang, you know, then you're telling everyone, yeah, I 0:55:29.600 --> 0:55:30.600 passed them up on day one. 0:55:30.840 --> 0:55:35.040 Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, it's that's tough and and uh yeah, 0:55:35.239 --> 0:55:38.520 I wouldn't. Don't worry about that decision until you're you're there. 0:55:38.640 --> 0:55:40.640 But uh and that's where you have to trust your 0:55:40.640 --> 0:55:42.440 guide outfitter. They should give you a good guidance. They 0:55:42.480 --> 0:55:44.840 should know how many more legal ones there better ones, 0:55:46.120 --> 0:55:49.399 and and you'll make a good decision caribou, Like what 0:55:49.440 --> 0:55:53.120 else is on your your future, you know, list of 0:55:53.160 --> 0:55:56.080 what you're wanting to hunt, you know after after the 0:55:56.120 --> 0:55:57.040 sheep and the cariboo. 0:55:57.920 --> 0:56:00.400 Yeah, I'm probably just like most other you know, regular 0:56:00.440 --> 0:56:02.719 Joe blow hunters. I mean, you have the I'd love 0:56:02.760 --> 0:56:04.719 to kill a big moose and hanging over the fireplace, 0:56:05.520 --> 0:56:07.480 you know, something like that would be awesome. I was 0:56:07.480 --> 0:56:09.560 able to go my buddy drew one of the Washington 0:56:09.560 --> 0:56:12.320 once in a lifetime tags this year for over in Spokane, 0:56:12.360 --> 0:56:15.400 and but you know, you look at those big yukon 0:56:15.520 --> 0:56:18.440 moose type of haunts, and that's always a dream of 0:56:18.440 --> 0:56:21.759 mine to kill just a whip, And I don't know, 0:56:21.840 --> 0:56:24.400 there's something about a big brown bear, you know. And 0:56:25.440 --> 0:56:27.399 I tell myself, I'd love to do it with the bow, 0:56:27.600 --> 0:56:29.879 you know, sneak up on one on a beach and 0:56:30.200 --> 0:56:31.759 h you know, or wherever you know, in the in 0:56:31.800 --> 0:56:34.800 the thick brush. But I've joked that I don't know 0:56:34.800 --> 0:56:36.600 if I have enough money to take a bow, because 0:56:37.360 --> 0:56:40.280 your your success rate is going to go way down. However, 0:56:40.400 --> 0:56:44.160 the thrill might go way up. So I've contemplated if 0:56:44.200 --> 0:56:47.160 I did do the brown bear venture, would I take 0:56:47.160 --> 0:56:48.759 a bow and kind of try to get more of 0:56:48.800 --> 0:56:50.480 an experience out of it? And how cool would that 0:56:50.480 --> 0:56:52.399 be to shoot a big, you know, nine foot ten 0:56:52.400 --> 0:56:54.480 foot bear with a bow or do you just take 0:56:54.520 --> 0:56:57.279 a rifle and you know, not get greedy? So yeah, 0:56:57.400 --> 0:56:59.640 I would say a moose in a in a brown bear, 0:56:59.840 --> 0:57:00.879 I really want to kill one of those. 0:57:00.960 --> 0:57:03.160 Yeah, and you probably won't find it, I mean, the 0:57:03.200 --> 0:57:04.840 grand scheme of it. You might get an arrow in it, 0:57:04.880 --> 0:57:07.040 but you'll probably won't find an outfitter that isn't gonna 0:57:07.040 --> 0:57:11.720 put like ten bullets in it right afterwards. So yeah, 0:57:12.160 --> 0:57:14.399 I don't think they're insurance companies like the plan where 0:57:14.400 --> 0:57:16.560 they don't follow up. But I'm real similar to you, 0:57:16.640 --> 0:57:19.720 like Alaska just gets into your blood or the Northern 0:57:19.760 --> 0:57:21.480 I mean, you're going to Canada, I keep saying Alaska, 0:57:21.520 --> 0:57:24.880 but like those areas just like what they have to offer, 0:57:24.960 --> 0:57:29.360 and just you haven't been there yet. But just like 0:57:29.960 --> 0:57:35.760 the feeling of ground being untouched, uninhabited, like uncommercialized, like 0:57:35.800 --> 0:57:38.160 our wildernesses are. You can't go up in our goat Rocks, 0:57:38.160 --> 0:57:40.360 which is close to us and not see a hundred 0:57:40.360 --> 0:57:42.440 people on the weekend. Like you can go anywhere you 0:57:42.440 --> 0:57:45.080 want Alaska, even prettier than the goat Rocks and not 0:57:45.120 --> 0:57:47.560 see anybody or nobody's been there in five or ten years. 0:57:47.600 --> 0:57:49.680 So I just I love it and it brings me back, 0:57:49.800 --> 0:57:52.040 like I'm gonna get to check Moose off this year, 0:57:52.080 --> 0:57:54.760 I believe. And the guide talks about like we don't 0:57:54.760 --> 0:57:58.640 hardly see anybody in that area, like there's nobody hunting it, 0:57:58.680 --> 0:58:00.480 and so it's just like man, and there's just something 0:58:00.480 --> 0:58:03.880 about Alaska. It is expensive. You know, you don't have 0:58:03.920 --> 0:58:06.320 to hire a guide for this, but the logistics to 0:58:06.360 --> 0:58:08.360 where we want to hunt and get to some of 0:58:08.400 --> 0:58:11.640 these seventy inch moose is very, very difficult, and so 0:58:11.680 --> 0:58:14.240 the outfitter actually makes it cheaper than if you had 0:58:14.240 --> 0:58:15.720 to try to coordinate. You couldn't even do it on 0:58:15.760 --> 0:58:17.480 your own without without their assistance. 0:58:17.920 --> 0:58:20.640 That's kind of why I was like prioritize the sheep hunt. 0:58:20.640 --> 0:58:22.360 It's just like, you know, I was talking to one 0:58:22.360 --> 0:58:23.920 of those guys when I killed that Canada buck and 0:58:23.960 --> 0:58:26.080 he used to guide cheap and he was saying that, 0:58:26.120 --> 0:58:29.919 like they dropped one guy off one time, and he said, 0:58:29.960 --> 0:58:31.920 like he like started crying and what you know, he 0:58:32.040 --> 0:58:34.480 just you know, you're hundreds of miles away from anyone 0:58:34.560 --> 0:58:37.919 dropped off on a plane and just the remoteness of it, 0:58:38.040 --> 0:58:42.240 and like after like two days he just went home. Yeah. Yeah, 0:58:42.280 --> 0:58:43.760 that kind of like made me even want to do 0:58:43.800 --> 0:58:47.520 it more. And you know, and I see these people 0:58:47.560 --> 0:58:49.880 and they they finally get enough money or whatever it 0:58:50.000 --> 0:58:52.520 is to finally go or they finally pull the trigger 0:58:52.560 --> 0:58:54.760 on it, and they're sixty and it's such a hard 0:58:54.840 --> 0:58:57.520 hunt that I committed to it at a young age 0:58:57.800 --> 0:59:00.240 and made it my priority. Just because I wanted. I 0:59:00.280 --> 0:59:02.240 wanted some pretty extreme, you know, I want to I 0:59:02.240 --> 0:59:06.480 want steep shale hard work, you know, and I want 0:59:06.480 --> 0:59:09.880 remote you know, on that o TC Idaho hunt, how 0:59:09.880 --> 0:59:11.320 many ridges I've come up and there's a guy just 0:59:11.360 --> 0:59:12.880 on a cell phone talking to his wife because he's 0:59:12.880 --> 0:59:15.040 got a pinch of service, and it's like, in frustrates 0:59:15.080 --> 0:59:15.720 me more than that. 0:59:16.080 --> 0:59:18.880 Yeah, yeah, now you're you're gonna love it, and you 0:59:18.920 --> 0:59:20.880 want to talk about hard work. I don't know exactly. 0:59:20.880 --> 0:59:23.440 I mean some people it's crazy, you know. I've I'm 0:59:23.480 --> 0:59:26.040 similar to you. I watched because I don't understand Sheep. 0:59:26.120 --> 0:59:27.880 I don't I haven't been around to me Deer and Elk. 0:59:27.920 --> 0:59:30.840 I don't hardly watch on YouTube anymore because I understand. 0:59:30.880 --> 0:59:33.760 But like Sheep's been this allure like and sometimes it's crazy. 0:59:33.800 --> 0:59:35.720 You'll watch somebody shoot one like in the bottom of 0:59:35.720 --> 0:59:38.640 the valley on day one, and then you watch the 0:59:38.640 --> 0:59:40.800 the more typical you know, ten days, and so you're 0:59:40.800 --> 0:59:42.920 gonna likely have your work cut out for you know. 0:59:42.920 --> 0:59:45.000 We were joking last night, like I wish I would 0:59:45.000 --> 0:59:47.200 have known, I wouldn't have brought my trekking pol I 0:59:47.200 --> 0:59:49.920 would have brought an ice axe, because there were times 0:59:50.240 --> 0:59:52.320 where it was so steep. My trekking pole didn't do 0:59:52.360 --> 0:59:53.720 anything for me. But if I could have put an 0:59:53.760 --> 0:59:55.720 ice axe in the side of the hill, you know, 0:59:55.840 --> 1:00:00.320 or the loose rock. No, No, Like there's an old saying, 1:00:01.200 --> 1:00:03.280 you know that I've heard saying like if you're if 1:00:03.320 --> 1:00:05.360 your sheep guy doesn't have an ice axe, then you 1:00:05.360 --> 1:00:07.680 should probably find a new sheep guy. Now I say 1:00:07.720 --> 1:00:10.680 that jokingly, but it's it's a true thing. Like my guy, 1:00:11.280 --> 1:00:13.200 you know, had an He liked the old wooden handles. 1:00:13.200 --> 1:00:15.000 He doesn't like any new aluminum because they they you know, 1:00:15.040 --> 1:00:16.720 if he needed to, he could repair it in the field. 1:00:16.760 --> 1:00:19.320 But like, no, he his hiking stick was an ice axe. 1:00:19.360 --> 1:00:21.800 And it's it's there's a reason why you've seen all 1:00:21.800 --> 1:00:24.640 the pictures of everybody, Like, yeah, there's times where you're 1:00:24.680 --> 1:00:26.560 standing as straight up as you think you can stand 1:00:26.600 --> 1:00:29.240 in your faces that are literally ten inches that's how 1:00:29.240 --> 1:00:31.240 steep it is, and you're trying to you know, like 1:00:31.320 --> 1:00:33.360 the ice ACKs I think would have been better than 1:00:33.360 --> 1:00:36.400 my hiking pole, because you gotta imagine when it's that steep, 1:00:36.400 --> 1:00:38.480 if you have a hiking pole down the hill, like 1:00:38.520 --> 1:00:39.600 it's not touching anything. 1:00:40.280 --> 1:00:43.120 Yeah, you know, and you know, and hand up. I've 1:00:43.160 --> 1:00:46.200 never used truck and pulls, and I see everyone uses them. 1:00:47.000 --> 1:00:49.160 But you know, like I was telling you last night, 1:00:49.200 --> 1:00:51.640 like I feel like I'm always carrying my bow or 1:00:51.680 --> 1:00:55.880 I'm carrying my rifle in one hand. And I have 1:00:56.000 --> 1:00:57.920 bought some and I'm gonna get an ice pick for 1:00:58.080 --> 1:01:01.760 my trip. But you know, it'll be a first for 1:01:01.840 --> 1:01:04.280 me for you know, just basically putting a heavy pack 1:01:04.320 --> 1:01:07.280 on and some trekking polls and just going. 1:01:07.520 --> 1:01:10.040 Yeah, no, it's it's a it's a good piece of equipment. 1:01:10.080 --> 1:01:12.320 They're light, you know, they're they're just as thing. You're 1:01:12.320 --> 1:01:15.000 as light as trekking pole now, you know, get it 1:01:15.040 --> 1:01:18.040 walking walking stick height, you know. And it's a fun hunt. 1:01:18.040 --> 1:01:19.640 You're going to really enjoy it, you know, the way 1:01:19.680 --> 1:01:22.440 you're built, your mental toughness, You're gonna really enjoy it. 1:01:22.480 --> 1:01:25.200 And you know, I hope, hope for the best, and 1:01:25.240 --> 1:01:27.320 everything pencils out like you want. We were we're getting 1:01:27.320 --> 1:01:28.800 pretty long here. We were going to talk on the 1:01:28.840 --> 1:01:30.720 financial and like planning these hunts, but we may save 1:01:30.760 --> 1:01:33.360 it for a second podcast down the down the road. 1:01:33.880 --> 1:01:37.920 But no, really appreciate having you, Tucker, got to know you. 1:01:37.920 --> 1:01:39.960 You know, I have no doubts in the next ten 1:01:40.040 --> 1:01:42.240 years you're going to continue to stack up, you know, big, 1:01:42.360 --> 1:01:44.600 big critters and you a lot of that's patients. And 1:01:44.600 --> 1:01:46.840 then the big thing, you know, from outside looking in 1:01:46.960 --> 1:01:49.440 is just like you're taking advantage of all the opportunities available. 1:01:49.480 --> 1:01:51.240 You know. You you make sure you have tags, you 1:01:51.280 --> 1:01:54.000 make sure you've got the time, and then you're working 1:01:54.040 --> 1:01:55.800 your ass off on the side that you make sure 1:01:55.840 --> 1:01:59.160 the financials doesn't slow that up, you know. And yeah, 1:01:59.200 --> 1:02:01.680 and I always kind of we joke before this. You know, 1:02:01.680 --> 1:02:03.400 everybody's always like, well, how do I hunt more? How 1:02:03.400 --> 1:02:04.680 do I make it so I can hunt more? And 1:02:04.720 --> 1:02:06.160 I'm like, the best way to hunt more is like 1:02:06.240 --> 1:02:08.200 go get go, get a degree and being like a 1:02:08.240 --> 1:02:10.920 doctor and then you can hunt. Like everybody thinks you're 1:02:10.920 --> 1:02:12.400 gonna do that through the hunting industry. And you're a 1:02:12.440 --> 1:02:15.440 great example real estate. You know, you own a couple 1:02:15.480 --> 1:02:18.600 of businesses and you you have the liberty to hunt 1:02:18.600 --> 1:02:20.520 just as much as as I do. You know, our 1:02:20.600 --> 1:02:23.440 our good buddy Justin you know, he's a he's a chiropractor, 1:02:23.480 --> 1:02:25.360 he's got the financial means to hunt just as much 1:02:25.360 --> 1:02:28.000 as I do. So there's better or more efficient ways 1:02:28.000 --> 1:02:30.280 to do it. Then, you know, trying to get lucky 1:02:30.280 --> 1:02:32.200 and strike gold within the hunting industry, and I guess 1:02:32.240 --> 1:02:34.880 we'll maybe close all. You know that with that, like 1:02:34.960 --> 1:02:38.640 financial approach is like, man, you only live once. Figure 1:02:38.640 --> 1:02:41.440 out a way to grind do whatever you want and uh, 1:02:41.560 --> 1:02:43.400 you know kind of kind of go chase your dreams. 1:02:43.920 --> 1:02:46.320 Yeah, I mean, like you know, this sheep hunt at 1:02:46.360 --> 1:02:49.320 thirty one years old is probably not in the Dave 1:02:49.400 --> 1:02:54.080 Ramsey baby steps and becoming a millionaire strategy. But you 1:02:54.120 --> 1:02:56.960 know what I've found with finances is is, you know, 1:02:57.160 --> 1:02:59.120 growing up, everyone tells you that, like you know, money 1:02:59.200 --> 1:03:01.680 is not everything. Money's everything, and I agree with that, 1:03:01.840 --> 1:03:04.840 but you know, like I was telling you before, it 1:03:05.200 --> 1:03:07.080 they aren't. They don't give away these sheep hunts for free. 1:03:07.280 --> 1:03:10.880 And so what I've when my you know what I've 1:03:11.000 --> 1:03:14.320 I'm not a doctor. It's just like find a side 1:03:14.400 --> 1:03:17.480 hustle or you know, find a career that you know 1:03:17.640 --> 1:03:20.160 is you know, commission based or something like that, to 1:03:20.320 --> 1:03:22.439 where the harder you work, the more reward you can get. 1:03:22.720 --> 1:03:25.640 And that's kind of what the path that I've taken, 1:03:25.840 --> 1:03:28.360 and it's not necessarily about the money. It's more so 1:03:28.920 --> 1:03:30.800 it'll afford me to go on this sheep hunt. And 1:03:30.800 --> 1:03:32.600 I don't want to be sixty, you know, just watching 1:03:32.600 --> 1:03:34.680 these videos saying, Man, I would have loved to kill 1:03:34.760 --> 1:03:36.840 the doll sheep one day. You know, it's like I'm 1:03:36.880 --> 1:03:38.480 just prioritizing. 1:03:37.800 --> 1:03:38.440 It right now and. 1:03:40.120 --> 1:03:43.120 Making it, you know, just making it work. 1:03:43.400 --> 1:03:46.160 Yeah, that's what I've similar to you. We talked about 1:03:46.200 --> 1:03:48.480 it when you know, when we were together, that that 1:03:48.520 --> 1:03:53.440 one time. It's not about the money. It's about the freedom. 1:03:53.520 --> 1:03:56.720 Right if the money is obviously tied in, but like 1:03:56.880 --> 1:03:59.160 you live a life where your schedule can be moved 1:03:59.200 --> 1:04:01.480 around and you have the money flowing in while you're 1:04:01.480 --> 1:04:03.200 not there, you know, in some of these things. So 1:04:03.200 --> 1:04:05.680 I think it's if you focus on freedom and not 1:04:05.800 --> 1:04:08.520 the financial and and you'll be in a better spot. 1:04:08.560 --> 1:04:10.440 I think that's the That's the best way I can 1:04:10.480 --> 1:04:10.960 explain it. 1:04:12.000 --> 1:04:14.560 I'm lucky to like, like my wife is, she started 1:04:14.600 --> 1:04:16.480 to help out with because we have rentals now and 1:04:16.760 --> 1:04:19.880 started to kind of build that portfolio. So we invest 1:04:19.880 --> 1:04:21.600 in real estate and then I sell real estate and 1:04:21.600 --> 1:04:24.680 then you know, I have that the gravel road, you know, 1:04:24.680 --> 1:04:26.960 a hustle and and if I'm not busy, then I 1:04:26.960 --> 1:04:30.920 could go, you know, I'll find work, and you know 1:04:31.000 --> 1:04:33.680 that's that's it allows you. I could work. I could 1:04:33.760 --> 1:04:36.960 hunt all fall if I wanted to. Nobody's gonna tell 1:04:36.960 --> 1:04:39.280 me now because I work for myself. But the problem 1:04:39.320 --> 1:04:43.080 is my incomes. It's like a balance of you know, 1:04:43.120 --> 1:04:45.200 like I went on that second trip to Idaho to 1:04:45.360 --> 1:04:47.240 you know, I wasn't planning on it, but it was like, man, 1:04:47.280 --> 1:04:48.720 I have this tag burning a hole in my pocket. 1:04:48.760 --> 1:04:49.520 I can sneak away. 1:04:49.520 --> 1:04:49.680 You know. 1:04:49.760 --> 1:04:52.600 My wife had everything covered with with my real estate stuff, 1:04:53.120 --> 1:04:54.720 you know, and I try to just slip out, you know, 1:04:54.720 --> 1:04:56.760 I don't I don't announce it all over and she's like, yay, 1:04:56.800 --> 1:04:58.520 I'm gonna be done for out of service for another 1:04:58.520 --> 1:05:00.240 seven days. It's like I just sneak out, try to 1:05:00.240 --> 1:05:02.920 fill my tags because I'm not in the industry. It's 1:05:02.920 --> 1:05:04.200 not you know, I don't get paid to go. It's 1:05:04.280 --> 1:05:06.919 it's it's not like part of my you know, I'm 1:05:06.960 --> 1:05:09.320 just I'm just a guy with a job, and so 1:05:09.680 --> 1:05:11.120 I could hunt a lot. But it's kind of a 1:05:11.160 --> 1:05:13.960 balance of you know, when you're playing your you know, 1:05:13.960 --> 1:05:15.960 if you aren't, if you aren't making money, you're spending it. 1:05:16.000 --> 1:05:17.760 And that's kind of kind of Hunting. 1:05:17.560 --> 1:05:19.760 Sounds like you need to build the portfolio of rentals 1:05:19.760 --> 1:05:22.120 so you can just you can leave and you're making money. 1:05:22.120 --> 1:05:25.320 And uh no, I know, I know you've got big plans. 1:05:25.680 --> 1:05:27.600 If you knew the headache of rentals, you wouldn't. 1:05:28.160 --> 1:05:30.320 I did. I had to, and I sold them. 1:05:30.920 --> 1:05:34.240 They're they're rewarding and it's kind of like a stock. 1:05:34.440 --> 1:05:37.080 You know, you don't get rich off of them immediately. 1:05:37.080 --> 1:05:38.360 It's you know, it's it's long time. 1:05:38.400 --> 1:05:39.120 It's a long game. 1:05:39.520 --> 1:05:41.800 Yeah, I'm excited to come on this again. Maybe talk 1:05:41.800 --> 1:05:42.520 about that part of. 1:05:42.480 --> 1:05:44.440 Yeah, yeah, the financial I know, Dirk just followed up. 1:05:44.480 --> 1:05:46.120 If you haven't listened to it, listened to the prior 1:05:46.160 --> 1:05:49.120 episode Dirk. Dirk met with our good buddy there and 1:05:49.120 --> 1:05:52.360 went over the financials of of hunting. So you know, 1:05:52.360 --> 1:05:55.400 go check that episode out. And Yeah, really appreciate you 1:05:55.400 --> 1:05:57.240 having you on Talker. Good luck on that sheep hunt. 1:05:57.240 --> 1:05:59.800 Maybe we'll have to have you on post sheep and 1:05:59.800 --> 1:06:01.280 care a bo hunt to see how that turns out 1:06:01.320 --> 1:06:01.560 for you. 1:06:01.840 --> 1:06:04.000 Yeah, I actually hit me on and and I look 1:06:04.000 --> 1:06:06.120 forward to it again, all right, take care you too, 1:06:09.640 --> 1:06:09.680 m 1:06:16.160 --> 1:06:21.360 M m