1 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of cutting the Distance. Stem 2 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: here with what i'd call maybe a new buddy, Tucker Stanley. 3 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: He lives only about thirty minutes from me, and we 4 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: kind of met what was it, Tucker in. 5 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 2: Twenty twenty, Yeah, twenty, I had twenty. 6 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, your your dad was gracious enough. I wish my 7 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 1: dad would have. He had been buying you guys points 8 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: right in some of these states or or you know, 9 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: and and then when you graduated, he was going to 10 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: send you guys on a pretty good elkcunt, so you 11 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: had enough points to go to some good units. And 12 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: you were talking to one of our good buddies, Ben Gorman, 13 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 1: and I think he came out to my my newly 14 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: built Help's Game Calls warehouse at that time, and we 15 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 1: besd with you and Troy, and so I first kind 16 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: of know, you know, got to meet you in twenty twenty, 17 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: but I had known of you before then. I won't 18 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: say rivals peel on that fine art rivals, but playing 19 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: in sports kind of always the Stanley names pretty pretty 20 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: prominent in the Lewis County area, and kind of knew 21 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: of you, and then yeah, I got to know you. 22 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: And then we've kind of stayed in touch and shoot, 23 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: we probably what bs once twice a week about you know, 24 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: dream hunts are going on this or hey did you 25 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: see how much this tag sold for? And just kind 26 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,479 Speaker 1: of stay in touch. So how are you doing good? 27 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 2: I appreciate you having me on. It's been Yeah. I 28 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 2: started in twenty twenty with us and yeah, my dad 29 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 2: started buying us points back see, Wyoming started their point 30 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 2: system what seven I don't know what max points is now, 31 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 2: probably sixteen seventeen and so sixteen years ago when we 32 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 2: were probably eight nine years old, and we could cash 33 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 2: them in whenever we wanted, and so I had That 34 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 2: was when I got you know, someone knew a friend 35 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 2: that knew a friend that knew you personally, and that's 36 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 2: how we kind of got started and kind of been 37 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 2: good friends ever since. 38 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, we Yeah, I think we spent a half 39 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: hour hour last night Texan back and forth going over 40 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: you know, Alaska sheep and you know some of the 41 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: gear that I think is vital and you know we're 42 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: gonna get into that. You got a sheep hunt coming up, 43 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: but let's kind of we always kind of jump into these. 44 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've listened to the podcast or not, Tucker, 45 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: But we're gonna kind of start with a couple questions 46 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: for you. I mean, this question and answer is brought 47 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: to you by Pendleton Whiskey. So, yeah, just I'm curious 48 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 1: what are you doing this time of year to get ready? 49 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: I know you're in good shape, you know, a pretty 50 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: competitive athlete in high school. You know, still like to 51 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: get after in the mountains. So not only you know, 52 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: from a physical fitness you know you do, are you 53 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: looking at applications kind of like what does an off 54 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: season you know, look look like for you? 55 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I played college football, so you know, my 56 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 2: physical fitness continued into my mid twenties. Now I'm thirty one, 57 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 2: and so it was really important to me to stay 58 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 2: in shape, you know, because you know, you work so 59 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 2: hard to get to shape for for sports and athletics 60 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 2: and stuff, and I just couldn't see myself losing that, 61 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 2: you know, and just letting myself go, so to speak. 62 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 2: And so we're working out. For me, it's always been, 63 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,519 Speaker 2: you know, not not an option, and so I never 64 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 2: really I mean I work out probably five days a 65 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 2: week and so like as far as like the off 66 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 2: season it doesn't My my training plan really doesn't differ, 67 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 2: and I kind of I think just being an athlete 68 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 2: is kind of helped with the hunting because before when 69 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 2: I work out, it was it was to you know, 70 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 2: be a better football player or whatever it was. And 71 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 2: now it's like, I got to be in shape for 72 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 2: this hunt, and it's so like my my workout, you know, 73 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 2: staying in shape to me is really important and it's 74 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 2: not just hunting, but hunting just happens to be my 75 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 2: What distracts the mental pain of working out is like, 76 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 2: you know, like you're doing this for a hunt and 77 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 2: it'll be easier, and uh, it used to be you 78 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 2: know that you're doing this for football and this is 79 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 2: what it takes and to be the best, and that 80 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 2: that's kind of my as as a former athlete. It's 81 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 2: kind of my it's my new goal, you know, it's 82 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 2: it's it's to be in better shape for hunting season. 83 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 2: It used to be to be in better shape for 84 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 2: a football season. So this time of the year, I 85 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 2: you know, I'm you know, I ride the stationary bike 86 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: as much as I can just for the cardio, and 87 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 2: then I try to lift weights. I don't need to 88 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 2: be the strongest man in the world anymore. This part 89 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 2: what football took. But I left weights, and you know 90 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 2: that doesn't change whether it's season or off season for me. 91 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 2: It's it's important for me to stay. 92 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're why I went from football to your 93 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: why is now hunting? And I always joke with people, 94 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: if it wasn't for hunting, I'd probably be fornared pounds. 95 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: I'm not as motivated as you to work out for 96 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: other things. It's like, no, if I if I'd have 97 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: to climb the mountain, I'd probably just I would be 98 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: that forndered pound guy. But uh yeah, I think that's 99 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: actually how our conversation started last night. You were asking 100 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: me about some if I have a stair climber, and 101 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: I think that kind of kicked off the cascade of 102 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: we were sheep hunting and sharing sheep hunting videos by 103 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: the time we were done. But no, it's it's important, 104 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: and you know, I'm I probably get a little lazy 105 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: November December, early January, and then right back you know 106 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 1: now you know, eating better, getting ready because it is 107 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: it's it's a year long commitment, or if you do 108 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: get the two months that I screw up every year, 109 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: like it takes the other seven months to get back 110 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: to where I was. Where It's like if it was 111 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: always like if I'm always looking at like I want 112 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: to be better today than it was yesterday, i'd be 113 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: I would be a lot better off. It's like I 114 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: just kind of yo yo, or you're probably in a 115 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: better you know, situation where you're just saying constant Yeah. 116 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 2: I kind of describe it as like a it's easier 117 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 2: to maintain than it is to like, you know, do 118 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 2: like a seventy five hard and you know that's brutal. 119 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 2: You know, I see people doing it and it's impressive 120 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 2: and and you know, I commend them for it. But 121 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 2: for me, you know, I'm not like a strict, strict 122 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 2: diet type of guy. I enjoy a you know, a 123 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 2: good beer or you know, you know, a penalty and 124 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 2: coke or whatever it is. And and I feel like 125 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 2: if I just cut that off cold turkey, it'd be 126 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 2: harder for me to do. Or if I just ate salads, 127 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 2: trying to lose weight nearly impossible. And so I just 128 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 2: try to maintain and I kind of eat what I want. 129 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: I don't abuse it, you know, but wait, till wait 130 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: till you're forty and see if you can see what 131 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: you want. 132 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, they used to say wait till you're thirty, but 133 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 2: now I'm out thirty and now people are telling me 134 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 2: wait till you're forty. But you know, I just kind 135 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,559 Speaker 2: of have and I checked, you know, I've I've always 136 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 2: heard a quote that was what doesn't get measured doesn't 137 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 2: get maintained. And so I try to weigh myself, you know, 138 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 2: once a week, once every other week, and if it's 139 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 2: not in check, then then then I crack down. 140 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: Work a little harder. Yeah, you know, you're I would 141 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: say you're not in the hunting industry, right, which is 142 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: pretty fair to say. But like I would say, you're 143 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: one of those guys that hunts as much as the 144 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: rest of us, you know that that are in And 145 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: I hate the word industry, like there are people that 146 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: make their living because of hunting type you know, products 147 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: or services or whatever. So what are you doing? Like 148 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 1: what's your your you know, this time of year, we're 149 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: all getting ready for putting in for draws, Like what's 150 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: your approach on that side? Right now? Are you are 151 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: you applying all over the country? Are you are you 152 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: keeping it pretty you know, specific to certain states. How 153 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: are you setting up like your future you know hunting trip, Well. 154 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 2: Just the way the hunting industry is, you know, I 155 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 2: mean we're western Washington, where you know the hoof for 156 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 2: Rock video that you guys released was pretty spot on. 157 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 2: There's it's not like it used to be. So I 158 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 2: haven't hunted in Washington in years. My kind of strategy 159 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 2: is I think eventually what this is all gonna come 160 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 2: to is for the average Joe blow guy like me 161 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,239 Speaker 2: that's not in the industry, you know you have if 162 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 2: you're like an over the town, over the counter guy, 163 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 2: I think you're gonna have to play the state game. 164 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 2: And you know, you're gonna have to apply for Idaho, 165 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 2: you have to apply for New Mexico, you have to 166 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 2: apply for Colorado, you have to apply for Wyoming, Nevada, 167 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 2: all of them, Arizona, and you're not gonna be able 168 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 2: to go to your same spot that maybe you and 169 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 2: your family have hunted for, you know, fifteen years. I 170 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 2: think those days are kind of coming to an end, 171 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 2: and it's unfortunate, but you know, with the draw systems, 172 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 2: it's hard to rely on a tag every year, and 173 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 2: so I've kind of been relying on Idaho, and I 174 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 2: know we're going to get into my my Idaho hunts 175 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 2: and stuff, but for the last five years I've been 176 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 2: relying on Idaho for deer and elk. When we met 177 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 2: twenty twenty, I had max points. I cashed those in 178 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 2: for Wyoming, so I kind of had to start over there. 179 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 2: I think I checked last night because I applied for 180 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 2: my Wyoming stuff last night. That was I think I'm 181 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 2: at four points again, so I don't expect to draw 182 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 2: anything there. But what I'm kind of doing with all 183 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 2: that is, like, you know, I have four points for Wyoming. 184 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 2: I think you could probably get a general unit for 185 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 2: four to seven points in that range. You aren't going 186 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 2: to get anything, you know, any other quality units yet. 187 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 2: But with the point creep and all that stuff, what 188 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 2: I'm doing is like, if there's a year where I 189 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 2: don't get my Idaho elk tag, then because those come 190 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 2: you know in December, you'll know, then I'm going to go, 191 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,959 Speaker 2: you know, cash in my four six eight points or 192 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 2: whatever I have at that time for like Wyoming. Other 193 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 2: than that year, I'll go to Wyoming. But I kind 194 00:08:59,920 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 2: of just threw like my entry last night was like 195 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 2: kind of for a hill Mary Wyoming tag that I 196 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:07,839 Speaker 2: probably won't get. But the reason I did that was 197 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 2: because I've already got a while or an Idaho tag, 198 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 2: and so I have, you know, three general points or 199 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 2: whatever for Montana. I don't have very many points for 200 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 2: Colorado because I was so late to the game. I 201 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:19,959 Speaker 2: played football till I was like twenty four. It went 202 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 2: over to Europe and played, so I got started real, 203 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 2: real late. Luckily I had my dad started to love 204 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 2: Wyoming early. But New Mexico's random draw, you know, so 205 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 2: I put them for that every year, you know, But 206 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 2: that's kind of what I do is is I think 207 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 2: you're gonna have to like play the state game and 208 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 2: try to get Arizona this year if you don't draw 209 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 2: Idaho or Wyoming or vice versa, and just. 210 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah and yeah, like similar to you, I've already 211 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: got an Idaho archery tag. So it's like, if I 212 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: want to, I can just spend my time in Idaho 213 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: and it's a pretty good unit. And so I'm my 214 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: strategy now across all these other states is yeah, I 215 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: can draw, you know, I can draw Utah if I want, 216 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: I can draw Colorado if I want yeah, you know, 217 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: Nevada is all, but in any those that I've even 218 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: got a chance to get to take, like, I don't 219 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: want it unless it's a like, you know, top tier hunt. 220 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: And to be honest, it's even gon get harder because 221 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: I'm probably going rifle because I don't want to like 222 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: mess up September. Yeah, yeah, it could be better, but 223 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, if I get a premium rifle tag, 224 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: because I'm an opportunist, I don't need to go do 225 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: it with a bow or muzzle, Like I don't. Just 226 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: give me a good tag, a good hunt. I'm I'm happy, 227 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: but like, I don't want to mess up archery. So 228 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: I'm really going to be like really kind of you know, 229 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: shooting for the stars with with premium rifle tags in 230 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: all those states which have really really low odds. But 231 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: like I say, it's more of just build a point 232 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 1: and then we'll see if I don't get the Idaho 233 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: or in the future if I want to cash in 234 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: you know Colorado with their preference point system or you know, 235 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: Utah with their modified preference point will we'll go that way. 236 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 2: So yeah, that's you also kind of get into like 237 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 2: why or I mean, like New Mexico, like I put 238 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 2: in for their one of their top units just because 239 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 2: it's such a far drive for us, and so like 240 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:57,839 Speaker 2: you know, it's such a commitment to drive twenty four 241 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 2: hours or twenty two hours or wherever you're going in 242 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 2: New Max. So you know, I probably won't draw in 243 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 2: New Mexico, but I put in for my strategically put 244 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 2: in for one of their better units because like, if 245 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 2: I'm going to drive down there, I want it to 246 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 2: be for a pretty good unit. 247 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And that's everybody's got their own you know, strategy. 248 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: And we've talked about it a lot on here before. 249 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: Like I look at Utah and Arizona. You know, I'm 250 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: I'm in double digits in both of those, but it's 251 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,199 Speaker 1: like I probably won't draw for another ten, Like it's 252 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: going to be maybe my going out party when I'm 253 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: too old. The hunt, you know, some of the harder 254 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:32,599 Speaker 1: areas and then the Wyomings, Montana's, Idahos, Nevada's kind of 255 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: in that middle, it's still pretty hard to draw. Like 256 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: I'm looking at those as like maybe my my in 257 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: between fits between you know, an Idaho or Montana, right 258 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: now where you can draw you know, fairly, fairly easily 259 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 1: or get a tag in those places. So yeah, there's 260 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: lots of lots of strategies. So you're getting in shape, 261 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: you're planning hunts. Seems to be what kind of you know, 262 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: any any die hard or serious hunters kind of thinking 263 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: about right now is you know those two things, you know, 264 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: staying in shape and getting ready to just find your 265 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: opportunity right where you're gonna go hunt where A you're 266 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: gonna have to be in shape for what's that gonna 267 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 1: look like? And then, uh, my second question for you, 268 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: and it's just this is actually out of my own 269 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: curiosity because I don't know what influence So you know, 270 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: we we're we use some brands, we partner with some brands, 271 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 1: we have contracts with brands. But as a guy that 272 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 1: hunts as much as we do outside of the industry, 273 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: like what influences your gear choices? Like, you know, I've 274 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: been working with Kafaru since twenty and twelve, so it's 275 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: like I use their pack. You know, we were talking 276 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: last night about what you needed in a sheet pack, 277 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:36,839 Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, I wonder, I wonder, why the 278 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: heck do you use that or you know, how do 279 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 1: you guys get to those decisions? What you know is 280 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: your Do you have a favorite you know, honey influencer 281 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 1: that you listen to? Do you just ask lots of 282 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: questions you try them on, like how do you get 283 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 1: to what pack or what boots or what camo or 284 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: you get to. 285 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 2: I always joke that if someone pays me to wear it, 286 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 2: I'll put it on my back. But I'm not in 287 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 2: the industry, so you know, it's it's I don't have 288 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 2: a big social media following. I'm just a a hunter 289 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 2: that likes the sport of it. And uh so, you know, nobody, 290 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 2: no sponsors, it's just it's just what I want. And 291 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 2: you know, which can probably relate to a lot of 292 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,959 Speaker 2: your listeners. And so like how I choose my gear 293 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 2: is hunting gears. She's gotten so expensive and you know 294 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 2: it you name off, you know, all the big brands 295 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 2: and the and the stone glaciers, the you know, like Couu, 296 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 2: the first lights, the Sidkase, all those things. And it's 297 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 2: almost like when you start building an outfit, you can't 298 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 2: be the guy that's mixed and matched. And so if 299 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 2: you if you already you know, it's like I remember 300 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 2: when I first got you know, some expensive hunt gear 301 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 2: that you know, you go from the you know, cheaper 302 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 2: Walmart stuff to like some good quality gear. When the 303 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 2: industry really changed, you know, I don't know, it seems 304 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 2: like it really changed like ten years ago or so. 305 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like Sika kind of led that big, 306 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: you know, because it was it was a lot of 307 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 1: cheaper stuff and then Sick through and then first Light 308 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: and qu came through, and it was like, all right, 309 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: now we got all buy expensive, expensive gear. Like you 310 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: can't do it in the cheap stuff anymore. 311 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 2: That's yeah. And it was like if you were sick, 312 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,839 Speaker 2: you were bawling. And and so as I like got 313 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 2: more serious about hunting because like I said, like football, 314 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 2: you know, it's playing the fall, and so I couldn't 315 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 2: hunt as much as I wanted to until I was 316 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 2: probably twenty five, and so it was like a caged animal. 317 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 2: As soon as like I started to hunt, I just 318 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 2: became obsessed with it. And so like my gear, you know, 319 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 2: you start buying because it's you know, you could buy 320 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 2: a five hundred dollars coat no problem nowadays. And so 321 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 2: as far as like my gear, I I I don't 322 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 2: really have anyone that like influences me. It's more so 323 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 2: just like building an outfit. Like if I have those pants, 324 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 2: I'm gonna buy that coat. And as far as my 325 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 2: pack goes, you know, I watch a lot of the 326 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 2: YouTube stuff, you know, and and not that they influenced me, but. 327 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: Just if you see enough guys running something similar or 328 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: trusting and it gives you some confidence in that, it. 329 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 2: Gives you confidence. But also you know, I believe that, 330 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 2: like there is something we said about like you get 331 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 2: what you pay for, you know, whether that's but there's 332 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 2: some things that are just like outrageously priced that you 333 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 2: know there's better options for it, but it's kind of 334 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 2: like a Ford chever Dodge. You know, you have people 335 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 2: that argue all of them, but I really don't think 336 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 2: a guy would go wrong if you chose either one 337 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 2: of them. And so like that's that's like like my 338 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 2: pack and stuff. It's like some some of the packs, 339 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 2: they really the only difference is like the compartments that 340 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 2: they have or something like that maybe one guy might 341 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 2: like over the other. I think the qualities there on 342 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 2: most of them at the upper end level. It's just 343 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 2: like what you what what feels nice to you? And 344 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 2: what do you pack? You know, what are you used 345 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 2: to packing? And it doesn't have room for all your stuff? 346 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 2: A guy is gonna like that brand, you know. 347 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I've been unfortunate, you know, I loyal to 348 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: Kafario and been using them for a long time. But 349 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: I've tried on you know, the Initial Ascent, the Stone Glacier, 350 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: the Exo, and it's like you could probably get by 351 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: on all these It's just you know, little tweaks in 352 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: the suspension, different padding, different you know, pack layouts, and yeah, 353 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: I think you know when you get the packs or 354 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: you know, boots are a little more per like specific 355 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: to the person, right, you got to find a boot 356 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: that has a last that fits your foot and has 357 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: all the qualities you want for that specific hunt, you know. 358 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: But I was just kind of curious, like, you know, 359 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: are you are you like scanning the forums, like, you know, 360 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: do you search for the certain pack you want to buy? 361 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: Like are there any bad reviews? Are there any good ones? 362 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: Because I do on that on some of the hunting 363 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: stuff that I might not have a connection for or 364 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: a lot of knowledge, like you know, what what do 365 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: people think about this or that and just kind of 366 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: see like is there any major failures or people complaining 367 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: about it? They like it, and then you know, go 368 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: ahead and make my purchase. 369 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 2: If you watch like enough like that, even the hunting 370 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 2: channels have come a long way since you know, fifteen 371 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 2: years ago, and now like YouTube and the accessibility of 372 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 2: people and what they're using stuff. So like for boots, 373 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 2: you know, for example, I went into a sporting goods 374 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 2: store here locally and I went in to buy Ken tracks, 375 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 2: quite frankly, and that that was what everyone was wearing. 376 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 2: There were the five hundred dollars boots and if you 377 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 2: were a real hunter, that's it's like the sitka, you know, 378 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 2: it's like that's what you were wearing. And I went 379 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 2: in there and I tried them on, and then I 380 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 2: tried on the Crispies and I haven't I haven't gone 381 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 2: back from Crispies since, you know, and so nobody influences 382 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 2: me to do it. It was I tried on both 383 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 2: boots and walked out with the Crispies and those just 384 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 2: blew out as last year, and you know, I bought 385 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 2: the same pair again, and so it's just kind of 386 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:42,479 Speaker 2: trial and error. 387 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: You know. 388 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 2: Now the problem is I have a ton of hunting gear, 389 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 2: and you know, if if I really like a pack, 390 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 2: I'll buy the same pack again. And you know, and 391 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 2: then there's some there's a pack that I got that 392 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 2: I bought, you know, and and I don't really use 393 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 2: it that much, and so I won't buy it again. 394 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 2: But that's just how I picked my gear. And I 395 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 2: have a lot of hunt gear now because you buy 396 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 2: a little bit each year. And now that I've been 397 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 2: you know, taking it serious for six or seven years, 398 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 2: now it starts to accumulate. 399 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: I appreciate that, Tucker. Once again, you have questions, uh 400 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: for for myself or our guests, feel free to email 401 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: them to us at ct D at Phelps game Calls 402 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: dot com or send us a social media message and 403 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 1: we'll do our best to get them on here. Now 404 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: we're gonna jump into kind of the the meat and 405 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: potatoes of the podcast. And uh, you've mentioned, you know, 406 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: he played played college football, played played overseas a little bit, 407 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 1: and so you've only been hunting for six years, but 408 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: you've got some pretty some pretty decent you know critters 409 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:50,959 Speaker 1: in those you know years. I think that was one 410 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: of the other I talked to you, and then I 411 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: think was it a year or two later you killed 412 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: a big Canada buck and you were trying to figure 413 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 1: out how to get to the taxidermis who I'd recommend 414 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 1: and hooked you up with round you and brought your 415 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 1: brought you to your home from the Western hunt. And 416 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: so let's let's ship right into that on how you 417 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: guys listening on audio can't see it, but just to 418 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:14,479 Speaker 1: the left of Tucker's head is the picture of this 419 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: giant buck, a two hundred three inch Albert of meal deer. 420 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: Go ahead and kind of tell the just tell the 421 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: story on how that one evolved and and uh kind 422 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: of you know, there's a little humor involved on a 423 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: on a hunt that maybe didn't have that kind of buck, 424 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 1: is the expectation. 425 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would love to say that I've tracked it 426 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 2: for five years and I know about it, and I 427 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 2: had forty trail cameras up, but that wasn't the case. 428 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 2: You know, I'm I'm okay admitting that it was. It 429 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 2: was right guy, right spot, right time, type of deal. 430 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 2: But what happened with that hunt was I got a 431 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 2: call from a local guy and they were kind of 432 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 2: I'm not going to say scrambling, but they were looking 433 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 2: for three archery hunters for this outfitter and it was 434 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 2: like a private land, not high fenced, but it was 435 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 2: like a private land outfitter that have thousands and thousands 436 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 2: of bakers up in Alberta. And they had three archery tags. 437 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 2: So this is twenty twenty one and I get this 438 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 2: call and it was like, hey, you're an archery hunter. 439 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 2: Do you want to go to Alberta this year? And 440 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, you know what, what's that consisted of? 441 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 2: And he goes, well, here's what's going on is you 442 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 2: got to get the COVID vaccine to go. Like that 443 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 2: was when the borders were closed and it was vaccine 444 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 2: mandatory and at the time, you know, I hadn't I 445 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 2: hadn't got it. And you know that that was basically 446 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 2: like the stipulations across the border. And so the other 447 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 2: three hunters that usually go that take that tag, they 448 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 2: refuse to get the vaccine. So, you know, I started 449 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 2: seeing pictures of these bucks. I kind of joke, but 450 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 2: and I'm like, ahm, I get the vaccine for those 451 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 2: and uh so I ended up getting the vaccine, and 452 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 2: you know, I have no problem admitting that because it 453 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 2: you know, I I think I did well with the 454 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 2: deer that I got. I was rewarded and and so 455 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 2: I got the vaccine and I went on the trip 456 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 2: and it was the first hunt that I'd ever paid 457 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 2: an outfitter for, and so to me, it was like 458 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 2: a big deal. And you know, it wasn't a real 459 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 2: expensive hunt, you know for the hunting world. You know, 460 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 2: I see you know that sheep hunt and New Mexico 461 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 2: is sold for one point three million. I mean you're 462 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 2: you're talking like a really really low budget hunt for 463 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 2: the quality of animal I got. And so I committed 464 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 2: to it, and I was like, man, I you know, 465 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 2: I don't want to go empty handed. It kind of 466 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 2: adds an element when you're paying for a hunt to 467 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 2: your standards. You know, when you go on an o 468 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 2: TC hunt, it's it's just like you're having a good time. 469 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 2: There's no pressure. You might get a bowl, you might not, 470 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 2: and you know, it's it's it's more relaxed where some 471 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 2: of these hunts it's you know, even like my sheep 472 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 2: hunt coming up, it's like, man, I don't want to 473 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 2: come home empty handed. You want to get the most 474 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 2: out of it. And that's how I felt on that 475 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,919 Speaker 2: felt on that hunt. And it was my first like 476 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:02,199 Speaker 2: big hunt. And anyway, basically the story was is I 477 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 2: missed a buck, kind of a jump shot type of action. 478 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 2: I missed him, and I was just sick to my stomach. 479 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 2: And this isned like day three, and it was a 480 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 2: seven day hunt, and so I remember texting my wife like, 481 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm gonna get one, you know, 482 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 2: because it's archery, it's not guaranteed, you know, there's no baiting. 483 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 2: And here we already spent this money. And I was 484 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 2: starting to get kind of nervous on day four. And 485 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 2: so day four rolls around in the evening and I'm 486 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 2: sitting in the tree stand and like right at dark, 487 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 2: I heard just like a screeching noise like a fence, 488 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 2: like something was crossing the fence. And so I kind 489 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 2: of got ready, got got one, you know, my arrow ready, 490 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 2: And that buck, you know that that I killed, came 491 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 2: in and I shot him twenty twenty three yards broadside. 492 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 2: And what's funny is a local guy here that was 493 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 2: also there. He was one of the three tags. He 494 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 2: he was he had shot a buck early that day, 495 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 2: and so I remember him coming back to lunch and 496 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 2: we're like looking at his buck and we're all like, dang. 497 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 1: You know. 498 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 2: I was thinking to myself like I would take that 499 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 2: every you know, all day, every day. And so I 500 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 2: head back. It got dark and I head back. I 501 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 2: shot the buck and then you know, they picked me 502 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 2: up and I said I got one, and they're like, 503 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 2: is it a big one? I was like, it's about 504 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 2: like you know, the other guys, you know, I mean, 505 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 2: I don't know. I didn't share it too long. I 506 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 2: was more trying to exte the shot. So he's like, 507 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 2: all right, let's go back, we'll eat dinner, then we'll 508 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 2: go look for him. So we go back, eat dinner, 509 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 2: and I wasn't even nervous. I like wasn't thinking about 510 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 2: it at all. And you know, like they were all 511 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 2: chirping like, oh, it sounds like Tucker got one outsize 512 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 2: you know, of Martins, and and let's go look for him. 513 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 2: So we all headed back out inside by sides to 514 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 2: go grab flashlights, and we went to the spot of 515 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 2: the kill. There's no blood. I mean, it was like 516 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 2: started making me nervous. And we finally find some blood 517 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 2: and it wasn't a very long track of the buck 518 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 2: probably went, i know, fifty sixty yards and anyway, we 519 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 2: walked up on that and I remember the I was like, uh, 520 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 2: he was just like, Tucker, you might want to come 521 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 2: take a look at this thing. And you know, when 522 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 2: I walk over to him, because we're kind of grid 523 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 2: searching at that point, and you know, I was like, 524 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 2: oh man, I'm like happy with that, you know, because 525 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 2: I'm taking into consideration like how much this cost me 526 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 2: in the commitment, and like I'm really happy with that. 527 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 2: You know, that's a nice buck. And then it like 528 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 2: the longer we're there and the more like the gutting 529 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 2: it and throwing it in the back. It started to 530 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 2: like think the way they were reacting because he he 531 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 2: he likes to like kind of downplay it. 532 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 1: The guy does it sounds like you downplayed it to 533 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 1: start with. 534 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 2: Well, I didn't. I didn't know, you know, Like I 535 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 2: was like, oh, yeah, that's. 536 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure they thought you were messing with him, like, 537 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: oh yeah, I shot one like Martins. 538 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 2: And then he's like, oh, I thought you said it 539 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 2: was the same size of Martins. I was like, I, 540 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 2: you know, I didn't. 541 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: I didn't say that much. 542 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 2: Two year and so the more we started like taking 543 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,199 Speaker 2: pictures of it, it was like, you know, this is 544 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 2: like that's a legit fuck. And then we got it 545 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 2: into the shop and stuff and started skinning it, and 546 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 2: they're like that that that's like a an exceptional deer. 547 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 2: And you know, they have thirty headmounts on their on 548 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 2: their shop wall, and to my knowledge, it was the 549 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 2: biggest buck that they've ever killed there. And you know, 550 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 2: happened to be with a bow. Happened to the one 551 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 2: year that I went. I got asked late because the 552 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 2: whole COVID thing, it was just kind of it just 553 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 2: all happened. 554 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, they happened to. You know, you happen to be 555 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 1: in that tree stand and not in a different one. Yeah. 556 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 557 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: If I remember how how far away was a buck 558 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: when you first spotted it, it wasn't like add Yeah. 559 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 2: He was probably coming in at about one hundred because 560 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 2: I heard that fence and so I was on alert 561 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 2: and he was probably one hundred and thirty one hundred 562 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 2: and fifty yards and I was watching him and he, 563 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 2: you know, he turned his head and his frame towards me. 564 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 2: He's walking at me, and I've never killed anything that big. 565 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 2: So it was like, you know, and also you like 566 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 2: I said, with these these hunts, is like is it 567 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 2: big enough for the price you're paying? That that weighs 568 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 2: into my mind. And so it was like, Okay, that's 569 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 2: a shooter. And so like I got ready and I 570 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 2: was I quit looking at the horns like I'm just 571 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 2: trying to execute this shot. And so you know, I 572 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 2: seen him coming and it all happened. But it's almost 573 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 2: I'm like thankful that I didn't have time to like 574 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 2: think about how big he was. 575 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: Did you know at the point you see him one 576 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty he was going to come your way? 577 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: Or was there a lot of variability he could have 578 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: picked a different route or was it pretty like it 579 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: was coming down like a fence line tour There was 580 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,479 Speaker 1: there like a reason he was going to walk by you? 581 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: Or did you like cause I I'm the guy that 582 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 1: sits in the tree like, oh, I shouldn't even get 583 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 1: my bow out because he's got one hundred and fifty 584 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: yards to cover, He's probably gonna go a different way. 585 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 1: Like I'm the most negative guy until it happens, like 586 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: I'm never gonna get a shot anyways, like it's cool 587 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: to look at him. 588 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean it was a meadow, and so, 589 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 2: you know, I had my ranges. It's hard to get 590 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 2: ranges when it's just like a grassy patch. It's nice 591 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 2: when you have trees that you can you can hit, 592 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 2: you know, with your rangefinders. So you know, on day four, 593 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, if he crosses through the middle, 594 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 2: he's going to be at seventy four. If he crosses 595 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 2: through right here, he's going to be at you know, 596 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 2: you know, fifty four, and you know, ideally he's fifty 597 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 2: and in and so all those things were going through 598 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 2: my mind. In any any you know, kind of hooked 599 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 2: and came towards me. And that's when I knew that, 600 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:12,679 Speaker 2: like I was going to get a shot off because 601 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,239 Speaker 2: he was within any range that he came through at 602 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 2: that point, he was within the range. 603 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, gotcha, gotcha. No, it's a it was a great buck. 604 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: I got the you know, I don't did I take 605 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: him to Utah or just picked him up, but got them. 606 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 2: And I think you took him to Utah and then around. 607 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: Next year yeah or yeah or something yeah, some yeah, 608 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: a giant buck, you know, two hundred three inch typical, 609 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: just a just a stud of a buck. Like I 610 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: said that for for six years and then you go, 611 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: you know, one hundred and seventy inch Idaho white tail 612 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: two years ago or last last it would have been 613 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: two hunting seasons ago. But last year, twenty twenty three season, 614 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,160 Speaker 1: you kill one hundred and seventy inch Idaho white tail, 615 00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: which just you know, a great buck. How does that 616 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 1: hunt go for you? Like, what's your strategy on that? 617 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: You know? Talking to Dirk who's my co host here, 618 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: you know, mature Idaho white tails seem to be kind 619 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 1: of making a comeback, but they're kind of on a 620 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: pretty big down trend. You know, Dirk would cuss out 621 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 1: you and call you an apple maggot and everything else. 622 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: But uh no, dude, we've got to have dinner with Dirk, 623 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 1: you know before and he likes you. But you know, 624 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: it's like the white Tel's coming back. But like, what's 625 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: your approach to that white tail hunt? Like, how do 626 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: you go about it? You know, without the ability to 627 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 1: scout any of that if you what was your strategy 628 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: on and going? And it sounds like your dad had 629 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 1: a chance. This passed year on a on a good 630 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 1: one that didn't you know, I know you mentioned you 631 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: know you wish you were the trigger guy, but sometimes 632 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: you gotta let the the old men, uh, you know, 633 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: have a chance. But what's what's that Idaho hunt look like? 634 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: How do you strategize and plan for that? Yeah? 635 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 2: So like the Idaho thing, what happened was a couple 636 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 2: three years ago, we we went up we you know, 637 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 2: the whole Idaho system. I was online trying to get 638 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 2: a tag for for ELK. It didn't have up and 639 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 2: I had a buddy that was like, hey, we can 640 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 2: go to this deer unit. I was like sure, you know, 641 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 2: and we drove around the first day, we knew some 642 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 2: people that had local people here that were also over there, 643 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 2: and we you know, we're just kind of getting a 644 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 2: little bit of intel. Not nobody's spots, but just like, 645 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 2: you know, there's deer everywhere, but where do you guys suggest? 646 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 2: And we're getting some pointers from people. And we drove 647 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 2: around the first ad a lot of snow, and we 648 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 2: never seen a single deer the first day and just 649 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 2: driving around, you know, you know, I don't know, I 650 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 2: didn't know how to hunt those white till I'd never 651 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 2: killed killed one over there, and so never seen a deer. 652 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 2: And so then we we got pictures of a buck 653 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 2: that was killed there and it was massive. It was 654 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 2: that one I sent you last night. Yeah, that that one. 655 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 2: I was like, you know, we aren't even seeing a 656 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 2: dough you know, what what are they doing? And some 657 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 2: they said, well, he was sitting on a trail, and 658 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 2: I was like, sitting on a trail, like what you know? 659 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 2: And and and so it really stuck with me because 660 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 2: I'm open to learning and I've never done it. And 661 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 2: so the next day we were driving around in a 662 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 2: new area a lot of snow, which kind of played 663 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 2: a factor in this, and my buddy, you know, we're 664 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 2: just driving around a logging road and he's like, oh, 665 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 2: hold on, you know one of those deals where it 666 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 2: was like a buck that was standing up on the 667 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 2: hill and he ended up in a buck that day. 668 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 2: And I was like, Ash, there must be more deer 669 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 2: over here, because it was the first success we had had. 670 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,719 Speaker 2: And so I started looking like in the timber as 671 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 2: we were driving back with his buck in the in 672 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 2: the bed of the truck, and I seen this this 673 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 2: trail come off the hillside and it had you know, 674 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 2: it was two or three feet wide with just tracks 675 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 2: in the snow. Luckily there was snow, and I remember 676 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 2: thinking like, I'm gonna come back in the same area 677 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 2: tomorrow after we get this thing taking care of. So 678 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 2: we took it back, and it happened to me that 679 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 2: my buddy, he was like cutting his deer down the back, 680 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 2: you know, doing that method. Well that the skin was 681 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 2: real like frozen, and his knife slipped and he like 682 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 2: slit his leg open. And I had taken to the 683 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 2: emergency room that night, so the next day he couldn't 684 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 2: hunt with me. And so I'm like, hey, don't worry 685 00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 2: about no problem. I'll be fine, you know. And so 686 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 2: I went out on my own and I went back 687 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 2: to that I marked it, you know, on my on X, 688 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 2: and I went back to that same exact trail and 689 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 2: I walked up it and I was like, well, this 690 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 2: is what they said to do, you know. It was 691 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 2: like sit on this trail. So I sat there, and 692 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 2: luckily it didn't take very long, like thirty minutes. Here 693 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 2: come like a little dough, you know, right over my shoulder, 694 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 2: like fifteen yards. 695 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: So can I ask a quick question to talking, like 696 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: are you in the timber or do you have some 697 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: like are you above tree lining? Could you have some 698 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: visibility or is it a clearcut? Are you just like 699 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: in the timber on this trail. 700 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 2: So my first you know time up this trail, I 701 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 2: was in the brush and I realized I didn't know 702 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 2: that there was open timber around me. And so when 703 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 2: I seen this dough coming over my shoulder at you know, 704 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 2: ten yards or so, I was thinking to myself, like, 705 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 2: you know, I can't believe this worked. You know, like 706 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 2: there's a deer right there, and I could kill it 707 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 2: if I wanted to. It's it's dough war buck over there. 708 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 2: But so, you know, luckily it came pretty QUI because 709 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 2: wouldn't have sat there all day and just got skunked. 710 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 2: So it was pretty thick, and I didn't see her 711 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 2: till about ten yards, and so I sat there for 712 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 2: a little bit longer and it wasn't another twenty minutes. 713 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 2: Here come another deer, same trail, and so I was like, 714 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 2: maybe I'm like sitting in the trail here, because it 715 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 2: was the same trail, same spot ten yards away from me. 716 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 2: It was a little fok and horn, and I was like, 717 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 2: I got to get out of the spot, you know. 718 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 2: So I walked up the trail a little bit and 719 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 2: midday noon and I walk up the trail probably sixty 720 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 2: seven yards and it started to really open up, and 721 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 2: I was like, this is a good spot. 722 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:27,719 Speaker 1: You know. 723 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 2: It's kind of a downhill slope to a bench. And 724 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 2: as I've kind of learned about this white tail stuff, 725 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 2: it was deer like to travel on those benches because 726 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 2: it's flatter and then they're looking for the saddles. I've 727 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 2: learned a lot about it, and I've really studied it 728 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 2: because you know, it's kind of my my hobby and 729 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 2: my passion now. But it's kind of a good spot 730 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,959 Speaker 2: because it, you know, it's it's a down to a bench. 731 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 2: So I sit at the top of that slope and 732 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 2: I look down at that bench and I sat there 733 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 2: the rest of the day and I think I seen, 734 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 2: you know, I don't know, eleven twelve deer total, and 735 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 2: I should have got a buck. I missed the opportunity. 736 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 2: So I get back to where we were staying at 737 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 2: the cabin and we're all sharing hunting stories, and the 738 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 2: guys is like, what did you guys see, you know, 739 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 2: and they're all like, oh, we've seen seven today, and 740 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 2: I was I was singing myself, like, well I seen twelve, 741 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 2: just sitting in one spot, and you know, they're like, oh, 742 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 2: where were you at? You know, and and so I 743 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 2: was like, well, maybe this is working. So I went 744 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 2: back the next day and I hate to admit it, 745 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 2: but I missed a really nice buck that year, and 746 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 2: it just made me so sick to my stomach. And 747 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 2: it was like the last day, and it was a 748 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 2: good buck. I'm not huge, but just a nice buck. 749 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 2: And I kind of powdered over it. I drew blood, 750 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 2: not very much though, it was just like a little 751 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 2: sprits of blood. And anyway, I kind of powdered over it. 752 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 2: And I was like, let's just go home because my 753 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 2: buddy had already tagged out stabbed hisself in the leg, 754 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 2: and we headed home. Well, it just ate at me 755 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 2: for the rest of the year. And so I went 756 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 2: back this last year and I was like, I'm committing 757 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 2: to you know, how many every days I hunt, whether 758 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 2: it's seven or ten or whatever, I have daylight to 759 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 2: dark under that one tree and I'm going to sit 760 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 2: there and that's I feel, that's what it takes. And 761 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 2: some days I see zero and some days I see 762 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 2: twenty two. And I killed that buck on day It 763 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 2: was funny. My dad was with me that year, and 764 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 2: he's not as patient as I am. He left on 765 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 2: day probably four, but day five seven am I and 766 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 2: my dad texted me because he was sitting laying in bed, 767 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 2: you know, at home, and he goes anything, and I 768 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,879 Speaker 2: texted him back, nope, nothing, And I looked up and 769 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,439 Speaker 2: there's that one hundred and seventy inch buck down there 770 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 2: on that bench, just strolling through and I and I 771 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 2: shot him, and you know, these shots are seventy yards. 772 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 2: That's why I was so sick. 773 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 1: Over that one. 774 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 2: I missed it. It was a layup, but that's how 775 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 2: I killed that one. And then this year we missed 776 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 2: an opportunity on one. But I really think it's the 777 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 2: consistency of sitting there and not giving up on it. 778 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 2: And you know, you could see one deer like that 779 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 2: was that buck, that one hundred and seventy inch buck. 780 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 2: That was the one deer I had seen in three days. 781 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 2: My dad, he came out in the middle of the 782 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 2: day he was leaving, and we went and drove around. 783 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 2: We seen this really nice buck on a tailgate and 784 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 2: I was like, jeez, look at that buck. You know, 785 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 2: we pulled in. We're kind of just talking to the 786 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 2: guy and he said he just walked in the woods 787 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 2: and rattled. And five minutes later this buck stuck his 788 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 2: head out behind the tree. And I was thinking, like 789 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 2: that's all it takes, you know, here I am sitting 790 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 2: under this tree for twenty four hours, and he. 791 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: Might start some rattling, you know, in the future. 792 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,320 Speaker 2: You know, I've I've rattled. It's just never it's never worked. 793 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,879 Speaker 2: And not to say that it won't work, but I've 794 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 2: never successfully had one just come and do that, you know. 795 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 2: And so I I was like, what do you think, 796 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 2: you know, like, am I crazy for sitting on this 797 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 2: I haven't seen the deer in two days? And he goes, 798 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 2: you know, that spot's as good as any other. And 799 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,319 Speaker 2: so he's like, it's up you know, fifty to fifty probably, 800 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 2: And so I said, well, I'm going to commit to it. 801 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 2: And the next days when I killed that buck. 802 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: Gotcha, do you feel the days you see zero, it's 803 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 1: just not a good day or is there a potential 804 00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: the wind's not Is the wind pretty good in the 805 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 1: spot that you consider every day, or do you have 806 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 1: to play the wind and maybe not going there a 807 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 1: day or two, or you know, if you were in 808 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: a tree stand, would you not be able to see 809 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,399 Speaker 1: under the trees? Like is there a you think there's 810 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: a way to make it better? You just kind of 811 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: play it there every day and you know the wind's marginal, 812 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: or how do you how does that work out? 813 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,919 Speaker 2: I've thought a lot about this. I've thought about bringing 814 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,720 Speaker 2: out a blind, because I mean I've I just literally 815 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 2: took a dirt spot under a tree and made a 816 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:28,399 Speaker 2: little seat for myself, and I've thought about like one 817 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 2: of those like blinds work. The reason I haven't done 818 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,840 Speaker 2: that is because I don't have the time to go 819 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,800 Speaker 2: over there and set this up like three weeks early, 820 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 2: you know, and kind of get the deer used to it. 821 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 2: And I don't want to waste a year and put 822 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 2: up this blind and then you know, just bring your 823 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 2: scent in there. Then like do you not see a 824 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 2: deer for the first three days and it's like, well, yeah, 825 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:47,839 Speaker 2: you brought this brand new blind in that they aren't 826 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 2: going to want to walk by. So there's probably better 827 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 2: method to do it. If a guy had more time 828 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 2: as far as not seeing the deer on a day 829 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 2: to day basis. You know, part of me thinks is 830 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 2: could be wind, but also the deer come from every angle, 831 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,839 Speaker 2: you know. Like I had a one horned or one 832 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 2: antler buck come in behind me this last year, you know, 833 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 2: and he was ten yards behind me. He blew at me. 834 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 2: He must have seen my shoulder or something behind the tree. 835 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 2: But I turned around and there he was sitting at 836 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 2: ten yards and he ran off. I couldn't get shot 837 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,319 Speaker 2: out of I probably would have one of the last days. 838 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,839 Speaker 2: But you know, they come in from every angle, and 839 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 2: so it's hard to say the wind because if it, 840 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,279 Speaker 2: you know, if it's blowing one way, then they might 841 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 2: be coming in from that direction that day. And if 842 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:31,960 Speaker 2: it's blown the other way, they might you know, you 843 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:33,800 Speaker 2: might see more coming from that direction. 844 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: So it's not like a consistent movement. Everything comes from 845 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 1: one direction, and you know, swipes through it. They're they're 846 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 1: they're able to come from everywhere, and that's kind of 847 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 1: how it works. 848 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 2: It's more so like that I know what trails are 849 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,439 Speaker 2: going to be on, you know, I don't know which 850 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 2: way they're going to be going, but I have a 851 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 2: good idea what trails are going to be on gotcha? 852 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 1: Gotcha? Yeah, the stud sounds like your dad had a 853 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 1: chance at a good one. And you know, I've been 854 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: I've only been white tillhunting Kansas, which more trees trees stand, 855 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:03,839 Speaker 1: and I haven't had to figure a lot of it out. 856 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,239 Speaker 1: But like, some of that stuff starts to go through 857 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 1: my head because there'll be days where you're in the 858 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 1: best spot on the place and you'll have lots of deer, 859 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 1: but they're catching your wind even when you're in a 860 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 1: twenty foot tall tree stand. So like as I as 861 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,120 Speaker 1: I want to expand and learn about these white tails, 862 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 1: it always makes me wonder, like, you know, the days 863 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,800 Speaker 1: you don't see anything, like are they winning you before 864 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,400 Speaker 1: they get there? Or is it just the day that 865 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,560 Speaker 1: there's not good movement, you know, and or they're not 866 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 1: in the area. It always makes you wonder why and 867 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 1: how come certain days you can see twenty and some 868 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 1: days will see zero. 869 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 2: I have wondered that too, and I've thought about you know, 870 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 2: what I'm doing is no different than like, you know, 871 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,399 Speaker 2: the Kansas type of style of hunting. You know, they're 872 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 2: just sitting in trees, and I think their deer populations 873 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 2: a lot more than Yeah, yeah, a lot, a lot better. 874 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 2: But that's it's the same concept. And you know, you 875 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 2: do you can't hunt meal deer the same hunt the 876 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 2: same way you hunt whitetail. And and you know you 877 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,919 Speaker 2: got to hunt black tail different than how you hunt 878 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,759 Speaker 2: you know, meal deer and white tail. And so I 879 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:04,320 Speaker 2: think the best strategy with white tail is a waiting game. 880 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 2: They're so flighty they you know, So I sit in 881 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,759 Speaker 2: this open timber where I can see seventy to one 882 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:15,359 Speaker 2: hundred yards and you just catch them cruising. And you know, 883 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 2: I've had days ri I sing twenty four and I've 884 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 2: had days where I see in zero. But it's it 885 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,799 Speaker 2: takes a lot of discipline to sit there day in, 886 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 2: day out, and because all it takes is one And 887 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 2: so I think that that's a good strategy if a 888 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,239 Speaker 2: guy has the patience. 889 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. And one thing we haven't even touched on this 890 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,760 Speaker 1: conversation is my own belief is you know, we see 891 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 1: you get to see on social media. You know, maybe 892 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,799 Speaker 1: thousands of people go to Idaho and shoot bucks out 893 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,960 Speaker 1: of clearcuts. They're killing small bucks. I honestly believe to 894 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 1: kill the bigger bucks, like you guys are seeing or 895 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,320 Speaker 1: have chances at tucking in the timber and being away 896 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,359 Speaker 1: from you know, even though these bucks are rut, they're 897 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,520 Speaker 1: not necessarily completely dumb. Yet you're gonna get your chance 898 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,760 Speaker 1: at your bigger bucks inside of a patch of timber 899 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 1: or a brush that that buck just feels more comfortable 900 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 1: being in. 901 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 2: Well, that's what my spot. The way I kind of 902 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,520 Speaker 2: feel about it is it's an all day hunt, you know. 903 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,799 Speaker 2: I mean, if you're hunting clearcuts, typically it's like, you know, 904 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 2: we got to be there right at first light, we 905 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,040 Speaker 2: got to be there right at last light. You know. 906 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 2: The best chance for him to move is or come 907 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,440 Speaker 2: out and feed is you know, right before dark or 908 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 2: or you know, And how I feel sitting in the 909 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,239 Speaker 2: timber is this is where they live their day to 910 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 2: day life, and so you know, it kind of makes mentally, 911 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,239 Speaker 2: I kind of you know, trick myself into believing that 912 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,799 Speaker 2: it could happen at any time, and especially during the run. 913 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,520 Speaker 2: You know, if you get a hot dough, that buck 914 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:37,920 Speaker 2: doesn't care what time the day is. He's going to 915 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,600 Speaker 2: follow her wherever she goes. And I've had deer, you know, 916 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:45,840 Speaker 2: come and you know, lay down twenty yards for me, 917 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,400 Speaker 2: just bed down, and that tells me that I'm in 918 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,359 Speaker 2: their bedroom. And you know, when you feel like you're 919 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 2: in their bedroom, it doesn't feel necessarily like a you know, 920 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 2: like a morning hunt or you know, like all your 921 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 2: eggs are in the morning and then like I don't 922 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,920 Speaker 2: go back for lunch. I sit there all day. And 923 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,759 Speaker 2: the reason is is because you know, like a nice 924 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,080 Speaker 2: buck comes throlling through it at noon. There's no reason, 925 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 2: you know, it's not like they crawl into a hole. 926 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 2: They got to be somewhere. And so I'm sitting in 927 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,799 Speaker 2: the timber and there's not a lot of clearcuts around there, 928 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,600 Speaker 2: so they got to be somewhere. And so if you 929 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,040 Speaker 2: just sit there and you know, I bring a little 930 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,880 Speaker 2: sandwich and just try to stay quiet, and you know, 931 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,040 Speaker 2: that's that's what I usually do. Where if you're hunting clearcuts, 932 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,719 Speaker 2: it's more like a morning in the night time. 933 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 1: And so yeah, gotcha, Well thanks for sharing kind of 934 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,360 Speaker 1: that that white tail tactic and you know how you 935 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 1: approach it. So I knew who you were. We'd already 936 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,399 Speaker 1: talked in twenty twenty, but I get a message from 937 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,399 Speaker 1: Dirk and John who happened to be hunting the same 938 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 1: unit as you and twenty twenty one or twenty two, 939 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,359 Speaker 1: I believe Elk and they messaged me. They're like, once again, Dirk, Hey, 940 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,279 Speaker 1: who's this apple maggot? Tell it? Do you know this 941 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 1: guy is? Well, you're you also, we'll get into this 942 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,360 Speaker 1: in a little bit. You you do real estate, but 943 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,719 Speaker 1: you also do some i'll call it driveway grading. I 944 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,040 Speaker 1: don't know if you want to put a different spin 945 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,720 Speaker 1: on it. You yeah, your re you re rehabilitate roads 946 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:16,160 Speaker 1: driveways as another business. And I believe your TRS logo 947 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:17,920 Speaker 1: was on the side of your truck or something that 948 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:19,839 Speaker 1: let they let me know. They're like, who is this? Well, 949 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,120 Speaker 1: first it didn't like catch on, so I Google search 950 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,680 Speaker 1: your name. I'm like, oh, that's Tucker. Like if you 951 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,480 Speaker 1: see him, you know, flip him crap. And uh, you 952 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,640 Speaker 1: guys happened to be hunting the same same area in Elk. 953 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:31,840 Speaker 1: But what I want to get to on this is 954 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,160 Speaker 1: you've hunted it. You hunted it for a couple of years, 955 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:39,120 Speaker 1: right and then now you know I had been in 956 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,759 Speaker 1: the area before and and they gave you a just 957 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,759 Speaker 1: a recommendation. Hey, you know you were in elk. You 958 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,719 Speaker 1: had chances you've seen good elk, but you had had 959 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:50,960 Speaker 1: you ever put it all together yet on that hunt. 960 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:56,160 Speaker 2: And that was pretty early I got I remember, I 961 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:57,400 Speaker 2: texted you and I said, what do you what do 962 00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,480 Speaker 2: you know about this unit? And you're just you sent 963 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,600 Speaker 2: me a screen shot of your calendar which was to 964 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,160 Speaker 2: apply to that unit. So I knew I was on 965 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:09,279 Speaker 2: the right track. And uh, my my wife's uncle, you know, 966 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:14,040 Speaker 2: he's he's getting older now, seventy or in his sixties. Anyway, 967 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,839 Speaker 2: he kind of put me in that direction. He said 968 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,719 Speaker 2: he'd hunted twenty years ago for Spike, and so that's 969 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,960 Speaker 2: kind of how I ended up there. And then when 970 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,960 Speaker 2: I talked to you about it, you kind of re 971 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:30,440 Speaker 2: you know, reaffirmed my questions about it. So I found 972 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,240 Speaker 2: myself there and just like anywhere, just going into it blind. 973 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,080 Speaker 2: In fact, I took I took my wife Madison the 974 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,880 Speaker 2: first year I went, and she she probably doesn't like 975 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,520 Speaker 2: to dive into the canyons as as much as I do, 976 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:46,360 Speaker 2: and so I probably didn't hunt as hard as I 977 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,840 Speaker 2: should have to get a ELK out of an OTC units. 978 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,440 Speaker 2: It's so competitive everywhere you go and I didn't. I 979 00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,000 Speaker 2: didn't get a bowl that year. Then the next year 980 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,080 Speaker 2: I actually drew. I actually drew. There's a quality rifle tag. 981 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,480 Speaker 2: And so I've had success in the unit, and I'm 982 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,239 Speaker 2: a firm believe that there's elk there. You just got to, 983 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,240 Speaker 2: you know, learn it and keep going back and trying 984 00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,960 Speaker 2: new things. And and so I kind of bounce around 985 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,120 Speaker 2: in the unit, you know, I don't necessarily stay in 986 00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:13,600 Speaker 2: one spot. 987 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we we talked and then I had went 988 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,040 Speaker 1: and hunted it finally, and then you went back and 989 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,160 Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, this, you know, we this is a 990 00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,200 Speaker 1: general area maybe not as busy, maybe as busy as 991 00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:25,799 Speaker 1: where that was one thing we talked about your old 992 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,400 Speaker 1: spot as there was a lot of traffic around, you know, 993 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:33,200 Speaker 1: both outfitter and dioy type guys and what I. I 994 00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:34,800 Speaker 1: don't want to take any credit for this. We just 995 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,120 Speaker 1: kind of threw in an area and you went and 996 00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:38,879 Speaker 1: checked it out and there were elk there, and then 997 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,799 Speaker 1: you kind of spun off of that, right, you felt 998 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,600 Speaker 1: some pressure. You talked to it. And this is another 999 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,920 Speaker 1: great tidbit of information. I believe you talked to somebody, right, 1000 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,160 Speaker 1: and they had made mention of a different spot, and 1001 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,600 Speaker 1: so you kind of spun off of the area and 1002 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,719 Speaker 1: kind of give us that little rundown on how you 1003 00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:56,960 Speaker 1: how you went from talking to that guy, how you 1004 00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,319 Speaker 1: kind of cased the area and kind of figured out 1005 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:03,160 Speaker 1: your plans at some cameras, left and then came back. Yeah. 1006 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,600 Speaker 2: So I now, you know, on year five, I've been 1007 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,799 Speaker 2: to a lot of the you know, the unit and 1008 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,920 Speaker 2: you know, for the most part, US hunters are are 1009 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,160 Speaker 2: good people, you know. I mean, you know, like when 1010 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,040 Speaker 2: I left last year, I met some guys from Minnesota 1011 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,479 Speaker 2: and and uh, you know, I was leaving empty handed, 1012 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,080 Speaker 2: and I was like, hey, there was a bull, you 1013 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,440 Speaker 2: know in that drainage. I couldn't get on him, but 1014 00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,560 Speaker 2: have at him, you know. And I kind of appreciate 1015 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,719 Speaker 2: that with with US Hunters because I appreciate the same 1016 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,799 Speaker 2: intel myself. You know, if I was just rolling because 1017 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,440 Speaker 2: it's a month long hunt and so if I was 1018 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,680 Speaker 2: just rolling in on day fifteen and they're just leaving, 1019 00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,440 Speaker 2: and you know, and so I've kind of you know, 1020 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,200 Speaker 2: I meet people. I'm a talker, I'm in sales, and uh, 1021 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,799 Speaker 2: it kind of just led to like like a guy 1022 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,440 Speaker 2: that was in the same situation I was where he's like, 1023 00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,080 Speaker 2: I can't hunt this year, and he was just checking 1024 00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,879 Speaker 2: cameras and and he's like, you try this spot, this spot, 1025 00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,600 Speaker 2: and this spot gave me, you know, weeks worth of intel. 1026 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,879 Speaker 2: And I mean I was already camped there. It wasn't like, hey, 1027 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,000 Speaker 2: you know, head up the highway, turn this way. I 1028 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:11,359 Speaker 2: mean I was already there and anyway, super great guy, 1029 00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,759 Speaker 2: and you know, I was appreciative of that. And so 1030 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,600 Speaker 2: I got to try these different spots. And there's elk 1031 00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,839 Speaker 2: and all, there's elk all over. It's just a matter 1032 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,680 Speaker 2: of making it come together with a bow. And I 1033 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,560 Speaker 2: left empty handed, and I kind of I had some opportunity, 1034 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,680 Speaker 2: but I kind of blamed it a little bit on early. 1035 00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,560 Speaker 2: I went early in the season thinking maybe if I 1036 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,560 Speaker 2: would go early in the season, there will be less people, 1037 00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:38,240 Speaker 2: less bugles. But I would almost rather have less people 1038 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,799 Speaker 2: than than you know, more talk. I kind of figured, well, 1039 00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,160 Speaker 2: I mean there'd be days where I wouldn't even hear 1040 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,520 Speaker 2: a bugle, and that's real tough with the bow. And 1041 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,920 Speaker 2: so I went home and I got you know, that 1042 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,279 Speaker 2: season opens like the thirtieth of August or whatever it is, 1043 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,319 Speaker 2: and you know. So here I am. I'd been there 1044 00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,040 Speaker 2: for a week, nine days or whatever it was, and 1045 00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:57,880 Speaker 2: I come home and it's like September seventh, you know, 1046 00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,680 Speaker 2: and here I'm sitting on this Idaho elk tag and 1047 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,320 Speaker 2: it's set er seventh and I have, you know, twenty 1048 00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,319 Speaker 2: five more days left of the month, and it's like, gosh, 1049 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,399 Speaker 2: I just can't sit here on this elk tags burning 1050 00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,840 Speaker 2: a hole in my pocket. And so with my work schedule, 1051 00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,640 Speaker 2: I kind of I kind of shifted and made room 1052 00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,239 Speaker 2: for another five days and I had it over there, 1053 00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:14,479 Speaker 2: and I killed a bowl on day two. 1054 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that ended up being what a three twenty 1055 00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,280 Speaker 1: ish bowl if they were on the big side. 1056 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a funky horn bowl. He had a 1057 00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:26,920 Speaker 2: stunted growth on his left side, but if you were 1058 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:28,360 Speaker 2: to double his other side, he would have been in 1059 00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:29,200 Speaker 2: like a three twenty bowl. 1060 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,640 Speaker 1: And on that one you would in that new area 1061 00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,280 Speaker 1: went and explored, do it you you found a wallow 1062 00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,960 Speaker 1: that that they were hitting or using very regularly, And 1063 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,040 Speaker 1: then did you set a camera on that before he left? 1064 00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:43,600 Speaker 2: No, I don't have a camera on that one. 1065 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:45,920 Speaker 1: A different one, yeah, I. 1066 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,880 Speaker 2: Have a different, different spot that I have cameras on 1067 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:49,960 Speaker 2: I don't have a ton of cameras quite frankly. 1068 00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:50,439 Speaker 1: Yeah. 1069 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,480 Speaker 2: I put some in my white tail spot. I put 1070 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,640 Speaker 2: more up this year. I just kind of like to, 1071 00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:58,680 Speaker 2: you know, I see these YouTube guys and they have 1072 00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,320 Speaker 2: history with these animals, and you know, it's like it 1073 00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,000 Speaker 2: kind of like I kind of want that and be 1074 00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:05,799 Speaker 2: nice to see a three fifty bowl in there and 1075 00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:07,799 Speaker 2: be like, I'm after him. He's in here somewhere. But 1076 00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,479 Speaker 2: you know, being in Washington and you know, and being 1077 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,239 Speaker 2: fifteen hours away from all this stuff, Yeah, being able 1078 00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,320 Speaker 2: to check and work, it's hard to it's hard to 1079 00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,239 Speaker 2: go over and check them and change batteries and keep 1080 00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:18,880 Speaker 2: up on them. 1081 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,160 Speaker 1: Yep, Yeah, for sure. Yeah, So that was a I mean, 1082 00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,960 Speaker 1: the moral of that story, you know, is don't be 1083 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,040 Speaker 1: afraid to go check out new areas. You know, because 1084 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,160 Speaker 1: this was in a completely different area, you know, maybe 1085 00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,080 Speaker 1: an hour or two from where you were. You started 1086 00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,680 Speaker 1: hunting the area and found some success, and just by 1087 00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:35,640 Speaker 1: talking to you about that hunt, I think you're going 1088 00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,759 Speaker 1: to probably continue to find success in there, you know, 1089 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,360 Speaker 1: the way you made it sound, and and you know, 1090 00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,680 Speaker 1: as many elker in there, so you'll find a spot 1091 00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:45,480 Speaker 1: same as similar as your white tail spot. That just 1092 00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,600 Speaker 1: kind of work. So let's get into some of the 1093 00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,279 Speaker 1: exciting stuff, kind of what's your future plans? I know, 1094 00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,680 Speaker 1: yeah you and then we've got a mutual friend justin 1095 00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,279 Speaker 1: that we we kind of talk about our dream hunts, 1096 00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:57,719 Speaker 1: you know, because you guys, I would say, are real 1097 00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,239 Speaker 1: similar to me like that, you know, that Alaska thing 1098 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,280 Speaker 1: kind of really just you know, it turns our gears 1099 00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,000 Speaker 1: and we're trying to figure out how to get up there, 1100 00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,239 Speaker 1: but everything seems to be so dang expensive, and you 1101 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,440 Speaker 1: got to have a guide orn outfitter. You're going to Canada. 1102 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:14,040 Speaker 1: I went to Alaska. You've got your sheep hunt this year. Yep, 1103 00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,600 Speaker 1: So you're going to Canada for a doll sheep slash 1104 00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,319 Speaker 1: caribou hunt. I'm sure sheep is major priority number one, 1105 00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,640 Speaker 1: and caribou were going to play second fiddle to that. 1106 00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,040 Speaker 1: You're going up there with Lancaster, So like what else is? Like? 1107 00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:29,880 Speaker 1: How did you go about that? How did you? Like, 1108 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,960 Speaker 1: you know, when I planned, I just went from one 1109 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:34,960 Speaker 1: guy I knew the hunted with my outfitter bucked it, 1110 00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,560 Speaker 1: Like how did you? I mean? Landcaster is probably a 1111 00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,840 Speaker 1: little more popular, little more well known than the outfitter 1112 00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:41,560 Speaker 1: I chose in Alaska. But like, how did you come 1113 00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,279 Speaker 1: to the conclusion, Like that's who you wanted to go with? 1114 00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,520 Speaker 1: Did you? Did you call everybody up? Did you what 1115 00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,239 Speaker 1: gave you the confidence to finally you spend your hard 1116 00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:49,480 Speaker 1: earned money with those guys? 1117 00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, So how that sheep hunt even came about was 1118 00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,680 Speaker 2: back in twenty twenty one. My business started to do 1119 00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,680 Speaker 2: a lot better, and you know, I'm glued to YouTube 1120 00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:02,319 Speaker 2: and always watching new Hunt shows and finding new guys 1121 00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:06,600 Speaker 2: on there and and anyway, finally my wife was like, 1122 00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:08,919 Speaker 2: quit talking about it and just do it, and uh, 1123 00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:10,719 Speaker 2: you know, that's kind of what it came down to, 1124 00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,880 Speaker 2: was not you know, I have the ability to do it. 1125 00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,960 Speaker 2: Make it a priority and it'll happen. And so that's 1126 00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,880 Speaker 2: what I That's what I did. And I started asking around. 1127 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,239 Speaker 2: There's a local guy here, Kevin Klumper. He he he 1128 00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,640 Speaker 2: has been several times at Lancaster and he's the one 1129 00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,239 Speaker 2: that kind of pointed me in that direction. He's been 1130 00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,560 Speaker 2: with them numerous times and so he said he put 1131 00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,440 Speaker 2: his name on them every day of the week. And 1132 00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,120 Speaker 2: so he's an Apple Vine guy as well. So that's 1133 00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,120 Speaker 2: that's kind of what put me in that direction. Was 1134 00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,000 Speaker 2: just a guy that you know, has been with him 1135 00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,680 Speaker 2: several times and he probably killed four doll sheep or 1136 00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,719 Speaker 2: something with him, and so that's why I went with them. 1137 00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,640 Speaker 2: And I'm pretty excited about him. 1138 00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:57,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the are all good, so doll sheep caribou. 1139 00:50:57,719 --> 00:50:59,879 Speaker 1: Like what are your expectations on that? You you talked 1140 00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,960 Speaker 1: earlier and it kind of stuck in my head. You know, 1141 00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,000 Speaker 1: even on the meal deer you know, you talk about 1142 00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,040 Speaker 1: like paying for a hunt versus expectations and not that 1143 00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,279 Speaker 1: I'm I'm only ten years older than you, but like 1144 00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,479 Speaker 1: to give you some guidance, like on this one's even more. 1145 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,040 Speaker 1: It's going to weigh more on you because of how 1146 00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,759 Speaker 1: much more this is than the meal deer hunt. But 1147 00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:22,759 Speaker 1: like if I can offer any guidance, and it's hard 1148 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,840 Speaker 1: because I'm very similar, like assume you're paying for the 1149 00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,920 Speaker 1: adventure and the doll sheep's extra, and like it was, 1150 00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,120 Speaker 1: it didn't set in and I would be I'd be 1151 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,120 Speaker 1: lying to say I'm not a hypocrite on this, because 1152 00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,480 Speaker 1: until I got there, it was all about like I 1153 00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,600 Speaker 1: just really want to kill a ram. Yeah, I ended 1154 00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,399 Speaker 1: up killing it on day one and then I kind 1155 00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,000 Speaker 1: of missed the struggle. So it's like and just the 1156 00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:46,359 Speaker 1: area you're in, So I don't know if that's going 1157 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:47,680 Speaker 1: to help you. It's probably not. You're gonna be like 1158 00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:49,360 Speaker 1: I don't, I don't care, like I still want to, 1159 00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:51,360 Speaker 1: and we talked about it like that was still my 1160 00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:56,040 Speaker 1: ultimate goal, but like I feel like worrying about it 1161 00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,840 Speaker 1: doesn't change the outcome, if that makes any sense. So 1162 00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:02,799 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to like your beer psychologist here, but 1163 00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,000 Speaker 1: it's like, you know what I mean, Like by having 1164 00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,280 Speaker 1: that worry or the stress or anxiety of it doesn't 1165 00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,920 Speaker 1: end up like killing it for you. So just enjoy 1166 00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,480 Speaker 1: everything you're doing and that's just gonna happen when it happens. 1167 00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:15,040 Speaker 1: If it is going to happen, it. 1168 00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:19,160 Speaker 2: You know, it's I don't have unlimited money, you know, 1169 00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:20,919 Speaker 2: Like some of these people are buying these sheep hunts 1170 00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,720 Speaker 2: at the Sheep Foundation and you know, eighty one hundred, 1171 00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:27,320 Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty grand and granted they're like fifty 1172 00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:31,600 Speaker 2: sixty seventy year old men. This was kind of like 1173 00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,480 Speaker 2: a you know, like make it a priority and it 1174 00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,640 Speaker 2: could happen type of deal, and so it's a big 1175 00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:41,640 Speaker 2: deal to me, and you know, and I plan to 1176 00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,280 Speaker 2: kind of keep making hunting a priority and go on more, 1177 00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:49,000 Speaker 2: but it totally weighs into the you know, like you 1178 00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:50,719 Speaker 2: want to get a sheep, and there's that pressure of 1179 00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,600 Speaker 2: you in whether it's a it's a good bull hunt, 1180 00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,279 Speaker 2: whether you have max points and you're burning them, and 1181 00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:56,920 Speaker 2: it's like, you know, like when I was on that 1182 00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:58,960 Speaker 2: Wyoming hunt, it was almost like I was more worried 1183 00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,319 Speaker 2: about the score than I was the hunt of the bowl. 1184 00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:03,680 Speaker 2: And it takes away a little bit of the fun 1185 00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,200 Speaker 2: because you're, you know, you're you're like, I don't want 1186 00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,560 Speaker 2: to waste these max points on a three hundred inch bowl, 1187 00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,319 Speaker 2: like I should be getting the three fifty bowl. But 1188 00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,799 Speaker 2: really what I signed up for. I didn't have a 1189 00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,239 Speaker 2: I didn't have an outfitter on that that first hunt, 1190 00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,319 Speaker 2: and I was so new to hunting, you know, because 1191 00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,040 Speaker 2: it was like the first real hunt I'd gone on 1192 00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,200 Speaker 2: since football and stuff, and I was like, all right, 1193 00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,440 Speaker 2: I'm done with football, that's cash these points. Well, I 1194 00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,960 Speaker 2: was so new to it, and you know, I got 1195 00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:29,840 Speaker 2: like a three hundred inch bowl. But you know, you 1196 00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:31,760 Speaker 2: would think a guy with max points in Wyoming should 1197 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,120 Speaker 2: get like a three fifty bowl. And that's what I 1198 00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:34,600 Speaker 2: was beating myself over. 1199 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:35,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so. 1200 00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:36,880 Speaker 2: Like it's kind of the sheep hunt, you know, when 1201 00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,120 Speaker 2: you pay money for it, it's like you should get 1202 00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,640 Speaker 2: like a stud ram and it's not how hunting works. 1203 00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:45,000 Speaker 2: And that's what makes hunting so great is the you know, 1204 00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:46,880 Speaker 2: like when it all comes together, like my you know, 1205 00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,200 Speaker 2: my meal deer, when it all comes together, it's like 1206 00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,560 Speaker 2: you weren't expecting it. It makes it that much better. But 1207 00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,839 Speaker 2: unfortunately you're gonna have to go, you know, come home 1208 00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,239 Speaker 2: empty handed sometimes to make those those moments feel even better. 1209 00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, And the other thing I realized when you get 1210 00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,200 Speaker 1: there is like these guides and outfitters can't control the weather. 1211 00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,680 Speaker 1: So you like the Alaska weather. I don't know if 1212 00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:08,920 Speaker 1: where you're going in Canada is any better. If it's 1213 00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,480 Speaker 1: still like we could literally be in the sun freezing 1214 00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,160 Speaker 1: to death. You know, it's clear and crisp and cold. 1215 00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,000 Speaker 1: The next second, I'm like trying to rush to get 1216 00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,080 Speaker 1: my rain gear on because the system moved in within 1217 00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,080 Speaker 1: like twenty minutes. So it's like the weather's out of 1218 00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,680 Speaker 1: your control, you know. I don't know about how those 1219 00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,680 Speaker 1: concessions work in Alaska or in Canada, but like, I 1220 00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,920 Speaker 1: don't know if pressures maybe a little more under control 1221 00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:34,279 Speaker 1: there because only certain people can hunt certain areas. But like, yeah, 1222 00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,319 Speaker 1: I know it's hard, and I'm talking out of both 1223 00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,520 Speaker 1: sides of my mouth, but like, if you can, if 1224 00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,080 Speaker 1: you can get to a place to like not put 1225 00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:41,960 Speaker 1: as much pressure on yourself, you're just gonna enjoy it 1226 00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,360 Speaker 1: more and you're and really all you can do is 1227 00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,080 Speaker 1: be in the best shape possible and be able to 1228 00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,839 Speaker 1: shoot your gun. That's gonna be my new. 1229 00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:51,520 Speaker 2: Justin our mutual friend there, you know, he was he 1230 00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,399 Speaker 2: went a few years ago, you know, probably eight years 1231 00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,560 Speaker 2: ago or so whatever it was. But you know, he said, 1232 00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:58,440 Speaker 2: like when he was getting off the plane, there was 1233 00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,959 Speaker 2: a guy loading up a like a you know, Boon 1234 00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,680 Speaker 2: and Crockett ram, and so he's thinking, oh, this is 1235 00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:05,759 Speaker 2: a good outfitter. I'm gonna get a good ram. He said, 1236 00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,280 Speaker 2: day one, he's seen a legal ram that wasn't real big, 1237 00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,600 Speaker 2: and it was like, day one, it's legal, do you 1238 00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,439 Speaker 2: shoot it? He passed it up and then never seen 1239 00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,799 Speaker 2: another one, and so it's like, man, do you play 1240 00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,120 Speaker 2: that game of like, I hope I'm not putting that position. Yeah, 1241 00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:24,040 Speaker 2: you just legal, but it's not real big, you know, 1242 00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:25,400 Speaker 2: and you pass it up and then you just get 1243 00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,759 Speaker 2: socked in foggy you can't control the weather, and it's like, 1244 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,600 Speaker 2: well dang, you know, then you're telling everyone, yeah, I 1245 00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:30,600 Speaker 2: passed them up on day one. 1246 00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:35,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, it's that's tough and and uh yeah, 1247 00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,520 Speaker 1: I wouldn't. Don't worry about that decision until you're you're there. 1248 00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:40,640 Speaker 1: But uh and that's where you have to trust your 1249 00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:42,440 Speaker 1: guide outfitter. They should give you a good guidance. They 1250 00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,840 Speaker 1: should know how many more legal ones there better ones, 1251 00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:49,399 Speaker 1: and and you'll make a good decision caribou, Like what 1252 00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:53,120 Speaker 1: else is on your your future, you know, list of 1253 00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,080 Speaker 1: what you're wanting to hunt, you know after after the 1254 00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:57,040 Speaker 1: sheep and the cariboo. 1255 00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm probably just like most other you know, regular 1256 00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,719 Speaker 2: Joe blow hunters. I mean, you have the I'd love 1257 00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:04,719 Speaker 2: to kill a big moose and hanging over the fireplace, 1258 00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:07,480 Speaker 2: you know, something like that would be awesome. I was 1259 00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,560 Speaker 2: able to go my buddy drew one of the Washington 1260 00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,320 Speaker 2: once in a lifetime tags this year for over in Spokane, 1261 00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,400 Speaker 2: and but you know, you look at those big yukon 1262 00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:18,440 Speaker 2: moose type of haunts, and that's always a dream of 1263 00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,759 Speaker 2: mine to kill just a whip, And I don't know, 1264 00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,400 Speaker 2: there's something about a big brown bear, you know. And 1265 00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,399 Speaker 2: I tell myself, I'd love to do it with the bow, 1266 00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,879 Speaker 2: you know, sneak up on one on a beach and 1267 00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:31,759 Speaker 2: h you know, or wherever you know, in the in 1268 00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,800 Speaker 2: the thick brush. But I've joked that I don't know 1269 00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:36,600 Speaker 2: if I have enough money to take a bow, because 1270 00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,280 Speaker 2: your your success rate is going to go way down. However, 1271 00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:44,160 Speaker 2: the thrill might go way up. So I've contemplated if 1272 00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,160 Speaker 2: I did do the brown bear venture, would I take 1273 00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:48,759 Speaker 2: a bow and kind of try to get more of 1274 00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:50,480 Speaker 2: an experience out of it? And how cool would that 1275 00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,399 Speaker 2: be to shoot a big, you know, nine foot ten 1276 00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,480 Speaker 2: foot bear with a bow or do you just take 1277 00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:57,279 Speaker 2: a rifle and you know, not get greedy? So yeah, 1278 00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,640 Speaker 2: I would say a moose in a in a brown bear, 1279 00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:00,879 Speaker 2: I really want to kill one of those. 1280 00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you probably won't find it, I mean, the 1281 00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:04,840 Speaker 1: grand scheme of it. You might get an arrow in it, 1282 00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,040 Speaker 1: but you'll probably won't find an outfitter that isn't gonna 1283 00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:11,720 Speaker 1: put like ten bullets in it right afterwards. So yeah, 1284 00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,399 Speaker 1: I don't think they're insurance companies like the plan where 1285 00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,560 Speaker 1: they don't follow up. But I'm real similar to you, 1286 00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,720 Speaker 1: like Alaska just gets into your blood or the Northern 1287 00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:21,480 Speaker 1: I mean, you're going to Canada, I keep saying Alaska, 1288 00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:24,880 Speaker 1: but like those areas just like what they have to offer, 1289 00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:29,360 Speaker 1: and just you haven't been there yet. But just like 1290 00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:35,760 Speaker 1: the feeling of ground being untouched, uninhabited, like uncommercialized, like 1291 00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,160 Speaker 1: our wildernesses are. You can't go up in our goat Rocks, 1292 00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,360 Speaker 1: which is close to us and not see a hundred 1293 00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,440 Speaker 1: people on the weekend. Like you can go anywhere you 1294 00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,080 Speaker 1: want Alaska, even prettier than the goat Rocks and not 1295 00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,560 Speaker 1: see anybody or nobody's been there in five or ten years. 1296 00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:49,680 Speaker 1: So I just I love it and it brings me back, 1297 00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,040 Speaker 1: like I'm gonna get to check Moose off this year, 1298 00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,760 Speaker 1: I believe. And the guide talks about like we don't 1299 00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,640 Speaker 1: hardly see anybody in that area, like there's nobody hunting it, 1300 00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:00,480 Speaker 1: and so it's just like man, and there's just something 1301 00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,880 Speaker 1: about Alaska. It is expensive. You know, you don't have 1302 00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,320 Speaker 1: to hire a guide for this, but the logistics to 1303 00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,360 Speaker 1: where we want to hunt and get to some of 1304 00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,640 Speaker 1: these seventy inch moose is very, very difficult, and so 1305 00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,240 Speaker 1: the outfitter actually makes it cheaper than if you had 1306 00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:15,720 Speaker 1: to try to coordinate. You couldn't even do it on 1307 00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:17,480 Speaker 1: your own without without their assistance. 1308 00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,640 Speaker 2: That's kind of why I was like prioritize the sheep hunt. 1309 00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,360 Speaker 2: It's just like, you know, I was talking to one 1310 00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:23,920 Speaker 2: of those guys when I killed that Canada buck and 1311 00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,080 Speaker 2: he used to guide cheap and he was saying that, 1312 00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:29,919 Speaker 2: like they dropped one guy off one time, and he said, 1313 00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:31,920 Speaker 2: like he like started crying and what you know, he 1314 00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,480 Speaker 2: just you know, you're hundreds of miles away from anyone 1315 00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,919 Speaker 2: dropped off on a plane and just the remoteness of it, 1316 00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:42,240 Speaker 2: and like after like two days he just went home. Yeah. Yeah, 1317 00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:43,760 Speaker 2: that kind of like made me even want to do 1318 00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:47,520 Speaker 2: it more. And you know, and I see these people 1319 00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:49,880 Speaker 2: and they they finally get enough money or whatever it 1320 00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,520 Speaker 2: is to finally go or they finally pull the trigger 1321 00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:54,760 Speaker 2: on it, and they're sixty and it's such a hard 1322 00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,520 Speaker 2: hunt that I committed to it at a young age 1323 00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,240 Speaker 2: and made it my priority. Just because I wanted. I 1324 00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,240 Speaker 2: wanted some pretty extreme, you know, I want to I 1325 00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:06,480 Speaker 2: want steep shale hard work, you know, and I want 1326 00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,880 Speaker 2: remote you know, on that o TC Idaho hunt, how 1327 00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:11,320 Speaker 2: many ridges I've come up and there's a guy just 1328 00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:12,880 Speaker 2: on a cell phone talking to his wife because he's 1329 00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,040 Speaker 2: got a pinch of service, and it's like, in frustrates 1330 00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:15,720 Speaker 2: me more than that. 1331 00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:18,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, now you're you're gonna love it, and you 1332 00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:20,880 Speaker 1: want to talk about hard work. I don't know exactly. 1333 00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,440 Speaker 1: I mean some people it's crazy, you know. I've I'm 1334 00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:26,040 Speaker 1: similar to you. I watched because I don't understand Sheep. 1335 00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:27,880 Speaker 1: I don't I haven't been around to me Deer and Elk. 1336 00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,840 Speaker 1: I don't hardly watch on YouTube anymore because I understand. 1337 00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:33,760 Speaker 1: But like Sheep's been this allure like and sometimes it's crazy. 1338 00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:35,720 Speaker 1: You'll watch somebody shoot one like in the bottom of 1339 00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:38,640 Speaker 1: the valley on day one, and then you watch the 1340 00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:40,800 Speaker 1: the more typical you know, ten days, and so you're 1341 00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:42,920 Speaker 1: gonna likely have your work cut out for you know. 1342 00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,000 Speaker 1: We were joking last night, like I wish I would 1343 00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,200 Speaker 1: have known, I wouldn't have brought my trekking pol I 1344 00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:49,920 Speaker 1: would have brought an ice axe, because there were times 1345 00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,320 Speaker 1: where it was so steep. My trekking pole didn't do 1346 00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:53,720 Speaker 1: anything for me. But if I could have put an 1347 00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:55,720 Speaker 1: ice axe in the side of the hill, you know, 1348 00:59:55,840 --> 01:00:00,320 Speaker 1: or the loose rock. No, No, Like there's an old saying, 1349 01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,280 Speaker 1: you know that I've heard saying like if you're if 1350 01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,360 Speaker 1: your sheep guy doesn't have an ice axe, then you 1351 01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,680 Speaker 1: should probably find a new sheep guy. Now I say 1352 01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,680 Speaker 1: that jokingly, but it's it's a true thing. Like my guy, 1353 01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,200 Speaker 1: you know, had an He liked the old wooden handles. 1354 01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,000 Speaker 1: He doesn't like any new aluminum because they they you know, 1355 01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:16,720 Speaker 1: if he needed to, he could repair it in the field. 1356 01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,320 Speaker 1: But like, no, he his hiking stick was an ice axe. 1357 01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:21,800 Speaker 1: And it's it's there's a reason why you've seen all 1358 01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,640 Speaker 1: the pictures of everybody, Like, yeah, there's times where you're 1359 01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:26,560 Speaker 1: standing as straight up as you think you can stand 1360 01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:29,240 Speaker 1: in your faces that are literally ten inches that's how 1361 01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,240 Speaker 1: steep it is, and you're trying to you know, like 1362 01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:33,360 Speaker 1: the ice ACKs I think would have been better than 1363 01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,400 Speaker 1: my hiking pole, because you gotta imagine when it's that steep, 1364 01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:38,480 Speaker 1: if you have a hiking pole down the hill, like 1365 01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:39,600 Speaker 1: it's not touching anything. 1366 01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and you know, and hand up. I've 1367 01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:46,200 Speaker 2: never used truck and pulls, and I see everyone uses them. 1368 01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,160 Speaker 2: But you know, like I was telling you last night, 1369 01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:51,640 Speaker 2: like I feel like I'm always carrying my bow or 1370 01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:55,880 Speaker 2: I'm carrying my rifle in one hand. And I have 1371 01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:57,920 Speaker 2: bought some and I'm gonna get an ice pick for 1372 01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:01,760 Speaker 2: my trip. But you know, it'll be a first for 1373 01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,280 Speaker 2: me for you know, just basically putting a heavy pack 1374 01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:07,280 Speaker 2: on and some trekking polls and just going. 1375 01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's it's a it's a good piece of equipment. 1376 01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:12,320 Speaker 1: They're light, you know, they're they're just as thing. You're 1377 01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,000 Speaker 1: as light as trekking pole now, you know, get it 1378 01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:18,040 Speaker 1: walking walking stick height, you know. And it's a fun hunt. 1379 01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:19,640 Speaker 1: You're going to really enjoy it, you know, the way 1380 01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,440 Speaker 1: you're built, your mental toughness, You're gonna really enjoy it. 1381 01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,200 Speaker 1: And you know, I hope, hope for the best, and 1382 01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:27,320 Speaker 1: everything pencils out like you want. We were we're getting 1383 01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:28,800 Speaker 1: pretty long here. We were going to talk on the 1384 01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:30,720 Speaker 1: financial and like planning these hunts, but we may save 1385 01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:33,360 Speaker 1: it for a second podcast down the down the road. 1386 01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:37,920 Speaker 1: But no, really appreciate having you, Tucker, got to know you. 1387 01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:39,960 Speaker 1: You know, I have no doubts in the next ten 1388 01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,240 Speaker 1: years you're going to continue to stack up, you know, big, 1389 01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:44,600 Speaker 1: big critters and you a lot of that's patients. And 1390 01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:46,840 Speaker 1: then the big thing, you know, from outside looking in 1391 01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,440 Speaker 1: is just like you're taking advantage of all the opportunities available. 1392 01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:51,240 Speaker 1: You know. You you make sure you have tags, you 1393 01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:54,000 Speaker 1: make sure you've got the time, and then you're working 1394 01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:55,800 Speaker 1: your ass off on the side that you make sure 1395 01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:59,160 Speaker 1: the financials doesn't slow that up, you know. And yeah, 1396 01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,680 Speaker 1: and I always kind of we joke before this. You know, 1397 01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:03,400 Speaker 1: everybody's always like, well, how do I hunt more? How 1398 01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:04,680 Speaker 1: do I make it so I can hunt more? And 1399 01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:06,160 Speaker 1: I'm like, the best way to hunt more is like 1400 01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,200 Speaker 1: go get go, get a degree and being like a 1401 01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:10,920 Speaker 1: doctor and then you can hunt. Like everybody thinks you're 1402 01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:12,400 Speaker 1: gonna do that through the hunting industry. And you're a 1403 01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:15,440 Speaker 1: great example real estate. You know, you own a couple 1404 01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:18,600 Speaker 1: of businesses and you you have the liberty to hunt 1405 01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:20,520 Speaker 1: just as much as as I do. You know, our 1406 01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:23,440 Speaker 1: our good buddy Justin you know, he's a he's a chiropractor, 1407 01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:25,360 Speaker 1: he's got the financial means to hunt just as much 1408 01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,000 Speaker 1: as I do. So there's better or more efficient ways 1409 01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,280 Speaker 1: to do it. Then, you know, trying to get lucky 1410 01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:32,200 Speaker 1: and strike gold within the hunting industry, and I guess 1411 01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:34,880 Speaker 1: we'll maybe close all. You know that with that, like 1412 01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:38,640 Speaker 1: financial approach is like, man, you only live once. Figure 1413 01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,440 Speaker 1: out a way to grind do whatever you want and uh, 1414 01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:43,400 Speaker 1: you know kind of kind of go chase your dreams. 1415 01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like you know, this sheep hunt at 1416 01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:49,320 Speaker 2: thirty one years old is probably not in the Dave 1417 01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:54,080 Speaker 2: Ramsey baby steps and becoming a millionaire strategy. But you 1418 01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,960 Speaker 2: know what I've found with finances is is, you know, 1419 01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:59,120 Speaker 2: growing up, everyone tells you that, like you know, money 1420 01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,680 Speaker 2: is not everything. Money's everything, and I agree with that, 1421 01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:04,840 Speaker 2: but you know, like I was telling you before, it 1422 01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,080 Speaker 2: they aren't. They don't give away these sheep hunts for free. 1423 01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:10,880 Speaker 2: And so what I've when my you know what I've 1424 01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:14,320 Speaker 2: I'm not a doctor. It's just like find a side 1425 01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:17,480 Speaker 2: hustle or you know, find a career that you know 1426 01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:20,160 Speaker 2: is you know, commission based or something like that, to 1427 01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:22,439 Speaker 2: where the harder you work, the more reward you can get. 1428 01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:25,640 Speaker 2: And that's kind of what the path that I've taken, 1429 01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,360 Speaker 2: and it's not necessarily about the money. It's more so 1430 01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:30,800 Speaker 2: it'll afford me to go on this sheep hunt. And 1431 01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:32,600 Speaker 2: I don't want to be sixty, you know, just watching 1432 01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:34,680 Speaker 2: these videos saying, Man, I would have loved to kill 1433 01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:36,840 Speaker 2: the doll sheep one day. You know, it's like I'm 1434 01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:38,480 Speaker 2: just prioritizing. 1435 01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:38,440 Speaker 1: It right now and. 1436 01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:43,120 Speaker 2: Making it, you know, just making it work. 1437 01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:46,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I've similar to you. We talked about 1438 01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:48,480 Speaker 1: it when you know, when we were together, that that 1439 01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:53,440 Speaker 1: one time. It's not about the money. It's about the freedom. 1440 01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:56,720 Speaker 1: Right if the money is obviously tied in, but like 1441 01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,160 Speaker 1: you live a life where your schedule can be moved 1442 01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,480 Speaker 1: around and you have the money flowing in while you're 1443 01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:03,200 Speaker 1: not there, you know, in some of these things. So 1444 01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,680 Speaker 1: I think it's if you focus on freedom and not 1445 01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:08,520 Speaker 1: the financial and and you'll be in a better spot. 1446 01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:10,440 Speaker 1: I think that's the That's the best way I can 1447 01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:10,960 Speaker 1: explain it. 1448 01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,560 Speaker 2: I'm lucky to like, like my wife is, she started 1449 01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:16,480 Speaker 2: to help out with because we have rentals now and 1450 01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:19,880 Speaker 2: started to kind of build that portfolio. So we invest 1451 01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:21,600 Speaker 2: in real estate and then I sell real estate and 1452 01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:24,680 Speaker 2: then you know, I have that the gravel road, you know, 1453 01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:26,960 Speaker 2: a hustle and and if I'm not busy, then I 1454 01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:30,920 Speaker 2: could go, you know, I'll find work, and you know 1455 01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:33,680 Speaker 2: that's that's it allows you. I could work. I could 1456 01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:36,960 Speaker 2: hunt all fall if I wanted to. Nobody's gonna tell 1457 01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:39,280 Speaker 2: me now because I work for myself. But the problem 1458 01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:43,080 Speaker 2: is my incomes. It's like a balance of you know, 1459 01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,200 Speaker 2: like I went on that second trip to Idaho to 1460 01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,240 Speaker 2: you know, I wasn't planning on it, but it was like, man, 1461 01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:48,720 Speaker 2: I have this tag burning a hole in my pocket. 1462 01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:49,520 Speaker 2: I can sneak away. 1463 01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:49,680 Speaker 1: You know. 1464 01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,600 Speaker 2: My wife had everything covered with with my real estate stuff, 1465 01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:54,720 Speaker 2: you know, and I try to just slip out, you know, 1466 01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,760 Speaker 2: I don't I don't announce it all over and she's like, yay, 1467 01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:58,520 Speaker 2: I'm gonna be done for out of service for another 1468 01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:00,240 Speaker 2: seven days. It's like I just sneak out, try to 1469 01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:02,920 Speaker 2: fill my tags because I'm not in the industry. It's 1470 01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:04,200 Speaker 2: not you know, I don't get paid to go. It's 1471 01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:06,919 Speaker 2: it's it's not like part of my you know, I'm 1472 01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:09,320 Speaker 2: just I'm just a guy with a job, and so 1473 01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:11,120 Speaker 2: I could hunt a lot. But it's kind of a 1474 01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:13,960 Speaker 2: balance of you know, when you're playing your you know, 1475 01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:15,960 Speaker 2: if you aren't, if you aren't making money, you're spending it. 1476 01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:17,760 Speaker 2: And that's kind of kind of Hunting. 1477 01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:19,760 Speaker 1: Sounds like you need to build the portfolio of rentals 1478 01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,120 Speaker 1: so you can just you can leave and you're making money. 1479 01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:25,320 Speaker 1: And uh no, I know, I know you've got big plans. 1480 01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,600 Speaker 2: If you knew the headache of rentals, you wouldn't. 1481 01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:30,320 Speaker 1: I did. I had to, and I sold them. 1482 01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:34,240 Speaker 2: They're they're rewarding and it's kind of like a stock. 1483 01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:37,080 Speaker 2: You know, you don't get rich off of them immediately. 1484 01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:38,360 Speaker 2: It's you know, it's it's long time. 1485 01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:39,120 Speaker 1: It's a long game. 1486 01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:41,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm excited to come on this again. Maybe talk 1487 01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:42,520 Speaker 2: about that part of. 1488 01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:44,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the financial I know, Dirk just followed up. 1489 01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:46,120 Speaker 1: If you haven't listened to it, listened to the prior 1490 01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:49,120 Speaker 1: episode Dirk. Dirk met with our good buddy there and 1491 01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:52,360 Speaker 1: went over the financials of of hunting. So you know, 1492 01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:55,400 Speaker 1: go check that episode out. And Yeah, really appreciate you 1493 01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:57,240 Speaker 1: having you on Talker. Good luck on that sheep hunt. 1494 01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:59,800 Speaker 1: Maybe we'll have to have you on post sheep and 1495 01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:01,280 Speaker 1: care a bo hunt to see how that turns out 1496 01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:01,560 Speaker 1: for you. 1497 01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually hit me on and and I look 1498 01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,120 Speaker 2: forward to it again, all right, take care you too, 1499 01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:09,680 Speaker 2: m 1500 01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:21,360 Speaker 1: M m