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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind.

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Speaker 1: My name is Robert Lamb and my name is Julie Douglas.

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Speaker 1: But you know these things because if you've been listening

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Speaker 1: to our podcast for the last three years, then this

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Speaker 1: is the way we always start our episode. Sometimes you

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Speaker 1: throw in a curious nickname or two for yourself, but

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Speaker 1: otherwise the info is pretty much always the same, straight

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Speaker 1: for it. But today it's a little bit different. You

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Speaker 1: guys can't see here in the studio, but it is

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Speaker 1: just brimming with balloons that have fallen down from the ceiling.

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Speaker 1: And do you know why, I hope that you noted

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Speaker 1: the day? No, what is the day? It's our anniversary. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's been three years since we started this, this little

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Speaker 1: cabusive podcast. Yeah, and at the time we didn't know

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Speaker 1: how it would go, but it seems to have gone,

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Speaker 1: you know, pretty well well. And I don't know if

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Speaker 1: let's there's know this, but um, we did not pick

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Speaker 1: the name for this podcast. It was it was given

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Speaker 1: to us. So when we first started it kind of

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Speaker 1: felt huge and looming, but ultimately we thought that we

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Speaker 1: could grow into it. Since we're both curious types and uh,

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Speaker 1: we are very interested in science. Yeah, of course the

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Speaker 1: original podcast was Stuff in the Science Lab and that

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Speaker 1: evolved into this podcast. And and at the time, our

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Speaker 1: our boss Connell said, uh, such about your mind. That's

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Speaker 1: that's gonna be the title, and uh and and we're like,

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Speaker 1: all right, we'll run with it. We trust you. You

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Speaker 1: you come up with some great ideas. So let's we'll

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Speaker 1: see if we can make this work. Because on one hand,

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Speaker 1: we weren't sure. Is it kind of cheesy sounding maybe?

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Speaker 1: And then also is that a lot to deliver on?

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Speaker 1: Like we can actually blow my And it's kind of

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Speaker 1: I was like, dude, what if it's not a what

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Speaker 1: do we do an episode and it doesn't blow people's minds?

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Speaker 1: What if it's not really like crazy awesome in your face,

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Speaker 1: like stoner science that we're throwing at at at you,

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Speaker 1: like what happened? When it's just kind of that that's

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Speaker 1: kind of neat. But I mean, in some episodes are

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Speaker 1: more mind blowing than others. There are some episodes we've

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Speaker 1: done that I feel, even researching them kind of shake

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Speaker 1: the culture that I'm a part of, and in there

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Speaker 1: are other episodes where they are just a little bit like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I feel like that's just all building up on the

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Speaker 1: narrative that we have when we discuss certain themes. Um. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: obviously that's what we're going to talk about a bit today,

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Speaker 1: is you know, in our research force to flill your mind?

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Speaker 1: How has this influence for our lives because obviously this

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Speaker 1: is a very intimate part of our lives, even if

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Speaker 1: this is for work. And um, I wanted just to

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Speaker 1: quickly say that we want to thank everyone who has

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Speaker 1: stuck with us from the beginning and those of you

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Speaker 1: who have just stumbled upon the podcast. Um, it's largely

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Speaker 1: the conversation that we have with you guys that's helped

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Speaker 1: our listeners because there are a number of podcasts here

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Speaker 1: in in the How Stuff Works suite of podcasts. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you got uh stuff, you should know stuff they don't

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Speaker 1: want you to know stuff Mom never told you, stuff

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Speaker 1: you missed in history class. All all these different brands,

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Speaker 1: and we hear about other people's listeners, and there are

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Speaker 1: great listeners, great fans for all of the podcasts. Though

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Speaker 1: I feel like we have less in the way of

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Speaker 1: You know. We we get we occasionally catch some flak

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Speaker 1: often get if we get criticism, is it's thoughtful and

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Speaker 1: it's couched in a way that's helpful. UM. But we

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Speaker 1: by the way, we would love to hear from you

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Speaker 1: guys to um, you know, if if there are certain

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Speaker 1: take the first way in which this podcast has changed life? Well, influenced? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: nice lighting, I think you will find it there right now.

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Speaker 1: But I think the idea is to stock it in

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Speaker 1: the extra mile. I mean, it's all deep fried anyway,

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Speaker 1: cost my friend cost. Yeah, but we'll get to that

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Speaker 1: eventually too. Um. One other thing that I was thinking

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Speaker 1: from the ground up. We have a memory of this room,

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Speaker 1: And so I thought, that's something that's really come um

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Speaker 1: they are. And then I thought, this is completely underscored

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Speaker 1: my appreciation for and all of people working in various

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Speaker 1: that sort of recast how we see the world. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: part of all the hours that went into preparing the

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Speaker 1: pitch and finding the radium. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean the sacrifice, the real sacrifice of science. Yeah. So

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Speaker 1: that that definitely has been something that is uh, the

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Speaker 1: this in very meaningful ways, you know, bringing up actual

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Speaker 1: scientific sacrifice. It also makes everything I've said even more

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Speaker 1: hollow when I say, oh, well, in the course of

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Speaker 1: this podcast, I gave up eating some squid and uh,

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Speaker 1: and you know, as maybe a little more in touch

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Speaker 1: someone else is like, well, I have cancer now because

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Speaker 1: of radiation, because of my research, well I know, and

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Speaker 1: that's when I started to think about that, like what

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Speaker 1: what are the sacrifices of going through? Of course, now

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Speaker 1: conditions are much safer. But you know, there is there's

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Speaker 1: a sort of um trade off with obsession that people

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Speaker 1: sometimes in those fields find themselves. Will you swallow a

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Speaker 1: shrew to see what right are you dedicated? So there

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Speaker 1: you have it. There's just a little inside into what

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Speaker 1: the podcast has meant to us and uh and how

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Speaker 1: it has changed us and how it I mean really

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Speaker 1: it comes down to it. We put down two episodes

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Speaker 1: a week pretty much every week. The show pretty much

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Speaker 1: permeates every aspect of my life. Um, you know, if

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Speaker 1: i'm you know, no matter what I'm doing, there's a

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Speaker 1: make a good podcast. I wonder if there's something what's

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Speaker 1: the science of this that's going on? You know, be

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Speaker 1: it you know, spending time with my my son or

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Speaker 1: realizing that I have no idea how a gadget in

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Speaker 1: my house actually works, I might think, huh, I wonder

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Speaker 1: if if that's something we can or should cover for

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Speaker 1: the podcast. It's true, and I think that both of

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Speaker 1: us feel like we wish we had more many more

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Speaker 1: hours to actually um put into this. But already, you know,

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Speaker 1: we are pretty dedicated to trying to bring to you guys,

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Speaker 1: um the information that we think is really cool and important,

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Speaker 1: and as you say, um, you know, thinking about it

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Speaker 1: at all hours. In fact, both of us tend to

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Speaker 1: send emails at odd hours like hey, I was just

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Speaker 1: looking at this and this seems really cool. So um

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Speaker 1: so yeah, and that's a source of joy for me.

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Speaker 1: So um, this has been great to work on this podcast,

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Speaker 1: and uh look forward to even more very cool stuff.

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Speaker 1: And again this is definitely a conversation. Um. You know,

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Speaker 1: the micro crimera episode that we covered was actually suggested

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Speaker 1: by listener SHAWNA, which I did not mentioned at the

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Speaker 1: top of that episode, and I completely should have shame

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Speaker 1: on me. But this is a great example of someone

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Speaker 1: who's like, hey, you've got to cover this. This is

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Speaker 1: an incredible territory. So thanks to you guys for for

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Speaker 1: keeping us uh apprized of all. Yeah, you continue to

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Speaker 1: help us populate a great list of topics to come

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Speaker 1: and topics that we've covered before and we'll cover again.

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Speaker 1: That's a great thing about science. It's ah, we're never

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Speaker 1: going to run out of topics, never, never, never, just

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Speaker 1: try it, alright. So hey, in the meantime, you want

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Speaker 1: us about any of this, or maybe you just want

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