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Speaker 2: Good morning, sweet world, and welcome to the Nodunks podcast

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Speaker 2: on the Athletic Network. It's Monday, October sixteenth, twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 2: I'm j. E. Skeets here in the Classic Factory, and

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Speaker 2: hot boy, Trick Kirby he hey oh and over Yonder

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Speaker 2: making the magic happen. Super producer JD. Hello, there he is,

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Speaker 2: and here we are. Today's pod officially kicks off our

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Speaker 2: fifth season of No Dunks at the Athletic and our

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Speaker 2: nineteenth season of daily NBA podcasting. Overall, you're nineteen. That's

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Speaker 2: a lot of years. That's a whole lot of years.

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Speaker 2: We're back to five sometimes six, heck sometimes seven when

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Speaker 2: somebody's feisty on the weekend shows. Here in the No

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Speaker 2: Dunks feed, which means Maddio's fantastic. Is this good pod?

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Speaker 2: of here, itg and the guys landed a great guest

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Speaker 2: to kick off their sort of fall schedule. Yes, great

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Speaker 2: photo here of their guest. It's the athletics own Fred Katz.

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Speaker 2: He joined Mattio and JD to discuss, among many other things,

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Speaker 2: haggling at Walmart, schmearing a bagel, and talking about the

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Speaker 2: worst named fruits. Of course, Fredkatz was, and you're talking fruits,

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Speaker 2: so go check out is this good? With the very

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Speaker 2: funny fred cats? And is this Good? Has its own

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Speaker 2: YouTube feed which you should subscribe to, and its own

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Speaker 4: Love that photo of Fred. I love that photoshop of

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Speaker 4: some giant shoes. Yes, this is gonna be a good one.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean I haven't listened to this pod yet,

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Speaker 2: but I know. Maddio and doing his homework for his

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Speaker 2: guest in Fred Katz was, you know what's apping us?

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Speaker 4: Hey?

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Speaker 2: How tall is Fred Katz? How tall is this guy?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 2: What did we say? We seem to agree on like

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Speaker 2: the over under was five ten and a half yeah,

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Speaker 4: Was allegedly, but this guy might be six feet tall.

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Speaker 2: What the hell's going on? Feet?

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Speaker 4: Remember growing early in his NBA career, Fred Katz doing

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Speaker 4: Maybe we get him in the factory here, not to talk,

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Speaker 4: just to measure, just how he stacks up.

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Speaker 2: off season five of No Dunks with the Athletic, we're

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Speaker 2: doing some over unders. We're looking at the wind totals.

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Speaker 2: All of these coming from our friends at Bett MGM.

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Speaker 2: We've decided to split this into two podcasts. We're doing

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Speaker 2: the Eastern Conference today, the Western Conference tomorrow. We'll have

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Speaker 2: But let's just jump right into it, Trey, because again

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Speaker 2: we've got fifteen teams to dissect here. We start in

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Speaker 4: People like to be pretty smart about these over unders

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Speaker 2: Okay, this I like the start of this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. You rate them on a scale of one to

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Speaker 4: Best possible record seventy five and seven if you get

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Speaker 2: feel like it's an easy over. They started eighteen and four.

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Speaker 2: Last year they were hot. Oh yeah, yeah, hot out

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Speaker 4: So here, I think they could easily get to fifty five.

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Speaker 2: Charles Lee as well, exactly.

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Speaker 4: So, you know, there was a lot of question marks

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Speaker 4: and you know, year two probably goes better for him

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Speaker 1: I think.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so we're leaning towards the over. At the end

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Speaker 2: of this podcast, when we go through all fifteen Eastern

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Speaker 2: Brooklyn nets thirty seven and a half wins. They traded Kadi,

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Speaker 4: This is a weird one. This one. I had a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you're brought up in bead Or. We talked

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Speaker 4: That's a low number. That's a pretty low number for

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Speaker 2: again with his team, like the start of a season

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00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,080
Speaker 2: just like sort of just like, oh, just like such

430
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,120
Speaker 2: a gross start. You know, it was Ben Simmons prior,

431
00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,440
Speaker 2: now it's James Harden. It's like that's gotta that's got

432
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:34,600
Speaker 2: a way on you a little bit.

433
00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:36,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know, he says. The Bucks and Celtics

434
00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,679
Speaker 4: didn't pass them. Yeah, they were, they were already passed,

435
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:43,639
Speaker 4: so they didn't lap us. Yeah, that's basically right when

436
00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,000
Speaker 4: it comes down to I'd be curious how he feels

437
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,439
Speaker 4: about where they fall in comparison to Miami, since you know,

438
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,639
Speaker 4: Philadelphia better record than Miami last year, but obviously the

439
00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:56,320
Speaker 4: Heat had a lot more postseason success. A lot of

440
00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,639
Speaker 4: people look at the twenty one to twenty two season

441
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,119
Speaker 4: when trying to figure out how the seventy six ers

442
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:03,960
Speaker 4: are gonna play this year because Ben Simmons was in

443
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,360
Speaker 4: the midst of his holdout that year, so he obviously

444
00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,680
Speaker 4: didn't start with the team, and Harden came in halfway through.

445
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,119
Speaker 4: They won fifty one games. You're probably not getting to

446
00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,800
Speaker 4: James Harden in return for this. James Harden is my

447
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:19,760
Speaker 4: concern what you are saying amidst all this turmoil, amidst

448
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,120
Speaker 4: all this drama, you got you all embiid.

449
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,159
Speaker 2: You have still Max, you still have Hairs, You've got

450
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:24,960
Speaker 2: good players, got.

451
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:26,560
Speaker 4: Nick Nurse, that guy loves the regular season.

452
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,360
Speaker 2: That you might still yeah, you still win fifty games.

453
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,679
Speaker 4: You know, Patrick Beverly is not gonna have any let up. No,

454
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 4: he's gonna be on this team.

455
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:33,560
Speaker 2: Only good for them. PJ.

456
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 4: Tucker is going to be on this team. So I'm

457
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 4: almost talking myself into a fifty here, skeets uh.

458
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:39,520
Speaker 2: And this is.

459
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,439
Speaker 4: Without the factory in James Harden looking good, you know,

460
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 4: looking at the skinny and preseason. That's always my achilles

461
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,400
Speaker 4: heel when it comes to literally any James Harden team.

462
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,680
Speaker 4: But I'll stick with an under because I wrote it down.

463
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 2: Okay, I think I would. Man, I feel like I've

464
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:56,399
Speaker 2: gone over on every single one here. But man, forty

465
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:57,120
Speaker 2: eight and a half is.

466
00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 4: That's a low note seven number guy that is.

467
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 2: MVP and was runner up two years prior. I mean,

468
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 2: if he plays a guy like that takes you to

469
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 2: fifty wins, that's the truth usually. And yeah, Nick, Nick,

470
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 2: I mean I always keep forgetting Nick Nurses their head coach.

471
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 2: Now he'll be crouching there on the sidelines. CA.

472
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,679
Speaker 4: Okay, how about twenty one twenty two Denver Nuggets no

473
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 4: Jamal Murray, no Michael Porter, Junior Jokic coming off an

474
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,119
Speaker 4: MVP season, won the MVP and they only got to

475
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 4: forty eight wins win. Something similar could happen different conference.

476
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,120
Speaker 2: But yeah, okay, Well, I mean that's why they said

477
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:31,959
Speaker 2: it at forty eight and a half. They know they

478
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,359
Speaker 2: know they're gonna win forty eight, forty nine or fifty games.

479
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 2: It's gonna be one of those, basically, So flip a

480
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 2: coin final team here in the Atlantic Division the Toronto

481
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:44,119
Speaker 2: Raptors at thirty six and a half wins. Darko is

482
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,440
Speaker 2: in to replace Nick Nurse as head coach. That's a

483
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 2: huge vibes move. I don't know where that lands in

484
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 2: your vibe system, but that's big. With the thirteenth pick

485
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 2: in the draft, they took Rady Dick. After Van Vliet

486
00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,399
Speaker 2: went and got the bag in Houston, the Raptors quickly

487
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 2: pivoted and signed Dennis Shruder to a two year deal

488
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 2: with the mid level exception. They also re signed Yaka pertl,

489
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 2: Gary Trent Junior opted in surprisingly into his about nineteen

490
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 2: million dollar player option, and Jellen McDaniels also comes north.

491
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 2: Those are the sort of key key moves here. Thirty

492
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 2: six and a half has a lot of Raptors.

493
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Speaker 4: Fans pissed off in no way really.

494
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you won't believe it. Yeah, Tronto Raptors fans

495
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:28,120
Speaker 2: with you know, a complex. But yeah, it does feel

496
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 2: a little low.

497
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 4: This feels incredibly low to me. Thirty seven wins should

498
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,919
Speaker 4: be easy enough for the Raptors. They were forty one

499
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 4: and forty one last year. Yeah, Fred van Vliet is gone,

500
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 4: and he's, you know, an important part of the team

501
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,479
Speaker 4: and definitely a leader here. I suppose there is some

502
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 4: blow it up potential. Yeah, the Raptors once again this year,

503
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,880
Speaker 4: which is why it's so low. But I also went

504
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 4: over and I was completely convinced last night when I

505
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,199
Speaker 4: saw that Drake's Sun released the song. I watched the

506
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 4: whole things skeets. I watched the whole video of a

507
00:23:56,119 --> 00:24:00,199
Speaker 4: six year old freestyling, freestyling. He has a song, has

508
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,719
Speaker 4: a song. Grady Dick is in the video for the

509
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 4: song with Drake. Don't talk to my man like that.

510
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,439
Speaker 4: My man, my man, my man. This kid is the

511
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:14,360
Speaker 4: new Drake. You gotta check this thing out. It's unbelievable

512
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 4: that a Donnas ram I guess, I don't know a

513
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 4: Donnas has his own song. There's a line of ats, skeets.

514
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 4: I was playing on my eplan then I broke my iPad.

515
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 2: See it again.

516
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 4: I was playing on my iPad, then I broke my iPad.

517
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 2: What bars, that's not bars.

518
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 4: That's not bars.

519
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess how old is he? He is

520
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 2: very small.

521
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 4: He is younger than Criss Cross at their peak.

522
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 2: Wow.

523
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 4: But yeah, I went over for the Raptors. I don't

524
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 4: know if I've been Raptors pilled too hard by you

525
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 4: guys here, but it just feels like a team that

526
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 4: is bringing back, for the most part, all of their

527
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 4: team after a disappointing season. I don't know how Darko

528
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 4: factors in. He seems like a development coach to me,

529
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 4: but the Raptors aren't necessarily on a development path now,

530
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 4: so I think they could be a five hundred team again.

531
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 2: Though, And if you've seen any preseason action, and I

532
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 2: usually put nothing into it, there is at least a

533
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 2: different vibe to this team in terms of like ball movement.

534
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 2: That seems to be what he is trying to drive

535
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 2: home less pound the rock here with you know what

536
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 2: was Van Vliet even Siakham to some extent, and it

537
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,479
Speaker 2: is like ball movement, ball movement, ball movement. The Raptors

538
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 2: had a point differential of a forty five win team

539
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 2: last season, and you're gonna hear this a lot. They

540
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 2: were fifteen to ten after they picked up Perle at

541
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 2: the trade deadline. It turns out having a capable center

542
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 2: on the roster helps. They're not playing for any draft

543
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 2: pick here unless they're one of the worst teams in

544
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 2: the league, because that pick is I forget what its

545
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,439
Speaker 2: protection is, but it will very likely be going to

546
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 2: the you know, to the Spurs. So it's not like

547
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 2: they're like gonna really really lean into like being one

548
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 2: of the worst because they just can't be with the

549
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 2: talent on the team. I just wonder, like, yeah, they're

550
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 2: trying to find their identity this team, like what they are.

551
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 2: And so the question is, and I think that's why

552
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 2: this line is so low, because Vegas is like, are

553
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,360
Speaker 2: they going to are they going to key keep their

554
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,239
Speaker 2: valuable assets here and they're really talented players, or are

555
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 2: they just gonna boop, press the reboot button and sort

556
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 2: of move them and like sort of start all over again.

557
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 2: And maybe that's draft pick Hall's coming up, Paul coming back,

558
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 2: or young players. And that's why they're like, we don't

559
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 2: know what they're gonna do. They're probably gonna have a

560
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,400
Speaker 2: pretty good idea, like, you know, three weeks, four weeks

561
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 2: into the season, what type of raps team we have here?

562
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, we shall see. But Toronto, it seems to me,

563
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 4: doesn't really tank unless they are playing in Florida, and

564
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 4: I think that most of their games will be in

565
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 4: Canada this year, so I doubt they Tank. I just

566
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 4: it feels like Siakam at least wants to stick around

567
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 4: long enough to sign an extension and then perhaps get

568
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 4: traded in the future. But it feels like a team

569
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 4: that will be heavily rumored up until the trade deadline.

570
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 2: Schumann here in the chat Ognnobie n Siakam, free agents

571
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 2: equal possible trades. Again, I think that is baked into

572
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 2: this thirty six and a half line. I think if, like,

573
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 2: if all that's off the board and then you just

574
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 2: got the new coach and this is the roster with

575
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 2: shrew to replacing van Fleet, I feel like that number

576
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,719
Speaker 2: would be higher. But they are like they're hedging here

577
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 2: because they're like those guys couldn't move it, and then

578
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 2: they could really lean into the development under a darko

579
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 2: stuff like that. Ooh, I almost want to swerve. I

580
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 2: think so many people are going to be pounding this over.

581
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 2: Yes they will, and I think I'm gonna go the

582
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 2: opposite way. Reverse Jinks. Reverse Jinks can see I'm leaning

583
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 2: towards that, but it won't be a lock regardless. Thirty

584
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 2: six and a half feels low. All right, we gotta

585
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 2: take our break and when we come back, we will

586
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 2: get into the Central Division. Don't go anywhere, all right,

587
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 2: still here in the Classic Factory. If you're joining us

588
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Speaker 2: live on YouTube, maybe you came in a little late.

589
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Speaker 2: Smash the like button and subscribe. We are back to

590
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Speaker 2: five days a week here with the start of the

591
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 2: new NBA season right around the corner, and we go

592
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 2: to the Central Division. We're looking at the over underwind

593
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 2: totals by way of bet MGM, the Bulls, the Calves,

594
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 2: the Pistons, the Pacers, and the Bucks. Sexy graphic there

595
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 2: from JD. The Chicago Bulls right on the heels of

596
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 2: the Raptors. Look at this and uh, bet MGM says

597
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 2: they're one win better than my Raps.

598
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 4: But oh now call it now season over Bulls beat.

599
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 2: Wraps thirty seven and a half wins. Vucci Baby got

600
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 2: a new three year, sixty million dollar contract, Duvon Carter

601
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 2: Tory Craig added to sort of help out a bench

602
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 2: that maybe needs it. They lost Pat Bev Derek Jones

603
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 2: Junior and for a second consecutive season here no Lonzo

604
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 2: Ball due to severe knee issues. Where are we going

605
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 2: with your Chicago Bulls? Are the Bulls back? Are you

606
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 2: gonna be yelling that every second show this year.

607
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,360
Speaker 4: Last year, no, I know, we weren't even back at all.

608
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 4: They haven't been back since January of twenty twenty one. Yeah,

609
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 4: oh yeah, it's been a lot of times. It's been back,

610
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 4: but I'm going over. I'm doing it. I'm a stupid idiot.

611
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 4: Forty and forty two last year, but a positive point differential. Yeah,

612
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 4: and they've got their Pat Bev type for the entire

613
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 4: year in Javon Carter. Literally having a point guard was

614
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 4: a change for the Bulls during the last third of

615
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 4: the season. They've got some clarity with regards to Lonzo

616
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 4: Ball's situation this year that they didn't have last year.

617
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 4: Tory Craig is a guy who when he was on

618
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 4: every other team, I'm like, I don't think he's that good,

619
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 4: And now that he's on the Bulls, I was like,

620
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 4: thank you Lord for Tory Krigs. They can shoot a

621
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 4: three pointer. Oh boy. They have been a pretty healthy

622
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 4: team outside a Lonzo Ball, like all of their starters

623
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 4: are playing seventy plus games. That's a concern if it

624
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 4: goes the other way. The Bulls, just like the Raptors,

625
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 4: are in trade potential land with Derozane coming up for

626
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 4: an extension with Levine on his big deal, but Lavine

627
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 4: was pretty solid at the end of last season. DeRozan

628
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 4: seems to at least want to stick around with the

629
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 4: Bulls for some reason. They had a great defense last year,

630
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 4: Like they fit his fifth in defense and maybe twenty

631
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 4: fourth in offense, and you look at the personnel and

632
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 4: you're like, that should be flipped on the complete opposite side.

633
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 4: So I think this is a not inspiring over here

634
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 4: for the Chicago Bulls.

635
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 2: According to the Sporting News, the Bulls had a point

636
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 2: differential of a forty four win team last season, but

637
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 2: they had terrible luck in the clutch, which is weird

638
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 2: because two seasons ago, with Demarto Rosen hitting game winner

639
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 2: after a game winner, they were twenty five and sixteen

640
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 2: in clutch games, but last season that number fell off

641
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 2: a cliff to fifteen and twenty three, So it basically flipped.

642
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 2: So does it you know, average out here and just

643
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 2: sort of like become sort of five hundred in the clutch.

644
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,239
Speaker 2: If it does, that probably helps their case for an

645
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 2: over because this is similar to the Raptors here. You're right,

646
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 2: which team out of R two is going to trade

647
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 2: one of their guys first, that's a big part of this,

648
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 2: and and then just the other part of like, yeah,

649
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 2: can they can anybody of these teams? Like the sad

650
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 2: part is we're debating the over of thirty six and

651
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 2: a half for the Reps thirty seven and a half

652
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 2: for the Bulls. So even if there's still like a

653
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 2: you know, a five hundred team, which they both were

654
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 2: last year, it's still disappointing. It's not good.

655
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. It's the weirdest part of all this. A

656
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 4: great season for both of our squads right now would

657
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 4: be five hundred. Yeah, yeah, literally mid we're hoping for mid.

658
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, oh yeah, it's like they're both mid. So

659
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 2: which one is gonna wise up and say, okay, let's

660
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 2: le's get off the treadmill of mediocracy to here and

661
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 2: like literally maybe sort of lean into a bit of

662
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 2: a rebuild and more of a tank. But which player

663
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 2: on the Bulls do you think has to take the

664
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 2: biggest leap? Just looking at your roster, the.

665
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 4: Only young guy is Patrick Williams for the most part.

666
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 4: I mean, Kobe White had a good season last year.

667
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 4: I think he's going to be better again this year,

668
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 4: he's become a solid player, but I don't think he

669
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 4: can be necessarily a ceiling raizer for this team. But

670
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 4: if Patrick Williams can play like he did against the

671
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 4: Nuggets last night, he was putting the ball on the floor,

672
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 4: getting to the hoop a lot more patient, a lot

673
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 4: more aggressive. That's been the big concern for Patrick Williams

674
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 4: through his first three years. But he's going to be playing,

675
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 4: hopefully to get a big deal, So yeah, he's got

676
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 4: to be the guy to take the step forward, and

677
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,959
Speaker 4: as the youngest guy around who's actually playing minutes like,

678
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 4: he's the thing that could really change their outlook.

679
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 2: I'm leaning towards an under with the Bulls. I think

680
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 2: we're going to be in any long season again, even

681
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 2: though I know there's like we're trying to get some

682
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 2: buzz and hype going, but I don't know. Cleveland Cavaliers

683
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 2: fifty and a half wins, So they added Donovan Mitchell

684
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,959
Speaker 2: before last season, and that really sort of cranked up

685
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 2: their their potential and their fans expectations, and they really

686
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: got there. Can they rack up another fifty plus win season, though,

687
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 2: and can they actually advance in the playoffs? That's the

688
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 2: question here. They added Max Strus four years, sixty three

689
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 2: million dollars. That was a sign in trade with Miami.

690
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 2: George Niang is there to help stretch the offense. So

691
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 2: those guys, you know, they're shooters, they're three point shooters.

692
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 2: What do you think here with Cleveland?

693
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 4: I like this over big time fifty one wins last

694
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 4: year and they got better. I think they obviously got better.

695
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 4: The defense is still going to be good with Mobley

696
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 4: and Allen back there. But last season for the Calves

697
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 4: the definition of a Hodgepodge at the three, and I

698
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 4: think they got better adding Max Strus and George Niang

699
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 4: to come in off the bench. Basically, the biggest loss

700
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 4: I feel like for the Cavs is Ricky Rubio, So

701
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 4: they don't necessarily have a ton of backcourt when you're

702
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 4: looking at the team, but their oldest starter is gonna

703
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 4: be Max Struce, and that guy's twenty seven years old,

704
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 4: so you have to imagine playing together. In year two,

705
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 4: they get a little bit better. Definitely a disappointing end

706
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 4: of the season. They're gonna have to prove it in

707
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 4: the playoffs when it comes down to it. But if

708
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 4: we're looking at regular season wins. I definitely like the

709
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 4: Cads over fifty and a half.

710
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, Rubio out and then maybe Cheddy Osmond. I guess

711
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 2: you could say as another guy that was a rotational guy.

712
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, you've got your back court in

713
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: Garland Mitchell, you've got your front court. I know Jared

714
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 2: Allen's a little banged up here even heading into the

715
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 2: start of the season, but Mobley, with Jared Allen, Mobley

716
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 2: should be he should probably make that little bit of

717
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 2: a jump there in a third year, like that little

718
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 2: leap we see from a lot of guys. So that

719
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 2: would be big and just the idea of like I

720
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 2: think more than anything, like yes, you got Strus and

721
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 2: you got Niang, I think, you know, combine them. They're

722
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 2: basically thirty seven thirty eight percent three point shooters in

723
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 2: their career. That's really good. They just need to up

724
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 2: the amount of takes on this team. They ranked twenty

725
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: fourth and three point attempts. I think that can be

726
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,719
Speaker 2: a lot higher. Again with with Mitchell and Garland creating

727
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 2: for some shooters around them in those guys that could help.

728
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, can they just be why can't

729
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 2: they be the exact same as last year. At a

730
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,240
Speaker 2: minimum in the regular season, you know, they were garbage

731
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 2: against the Knicks. They got completely embarrass they.

732
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 4: Got bunked, and it was weird to see it happening,

733
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 4: like on the glass getting big boyed by a team

734
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 4: that starts like two seven footers. It was certainly odd

735
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,479
Speaker 4: to see. But two seven fur seven furs, two seven

736
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 4: furters works great in the regular season. So I think like,

737
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,240
Speaker 4: at worst they're gonna be like a top five defense,

738
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 4: and if they take even a little bit of a

739
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 4: step forward from ninth last year, this could be Uh,

740
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 4: this to me should be the third place team in

741
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 4: the Eastern Conference.

742
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 2: Okay, sounds like we might have a lock on our

743
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 2: hands here. From Trey Kirby fifteen and a half there

744
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 2: at Cleveland, I'm definitely leaning towards just over Detroit Pistons

745
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 2: a lot less wins twenty eight and a half. New

746
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 2: coach Monty Williams gets a crack here with this young

747
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 2: Piston squad. They did add some vets, I think to

748
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 2: maybe try and win some games. I mean, Joe Harris

749
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 2: is there, Monte Morris, they both came in trades and

750
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 2: then their big sort of draft pick a Sira Thompson

751
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 2: with a number five pick there in June, and Kate

752
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 2: Cunningham she'll be playing. He has not played a lot,

753
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 2: played sixty four games of his rookie season, only twelve

754
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 2: last year. What do you think Detroit twenty eight and

755
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 2: a half.

756
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 4: I think they're going to be better this year. Many

757
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 4: Williams a good coach at the very least, anticipating a

758
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 4: better season for kid Cunningham, just hoping he plays a

759
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 4: lot more. I don't know that Asar Thompson is going

760
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 4: to do a lot this season. He's a really young dude,

761
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 4: and the last two Pisson draft picks want the ball

762
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 4: in their hands in Cunningham in Ivy. The team, though,

763
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 4: doesn't make a lot of sense to me. There's a

764
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 4: lot of potential in the back court. Everybody needs the ball.

765
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 4: The front court is all like reclamation projects and Jalen

766
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 4: Duran who's the best one. But for some reason they

767
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 4: keep bringing in additional guys Boy and Bogdanovich. He's still there,

768
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 4: maybe gets traded at some point, but the number is

769
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 4: just too high for me. They finished seventeen and sixty

770
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 4: five last season. They probably weren't that bad. They probably

771
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 4: would have been in the twenty win range if cad

772
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 4: plays an entire season. But I just don't think they

773
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 4: can add twelve wins this season. So I'm going under here.

774
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 2: I have to fact check this, but I don't think

775
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 2: the Pistons have won more than twenty three games in

776
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 2: like five years a minute. Yeah, that sounds insane when

777
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 2: I say it out loud. Let me get Basketball Reference

778
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 2: up on.

779
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 4: That, because twenty wins in the nineteen twenty season, followed

780
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 4: by twenty followed by twenty three to followed by seventeen,

781
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:28,919
Speaker 4: followed by this season.

782
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 2: Okay, so last four seasons there, this is our fifth

783
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 2: Wow to jump up here, like, uh, Vegas has the mat.

784
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 2: We gotta get to twenty nine. It's a hell of

785
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 2: an improvement. Yeah great, it's a big, big improvement. And

786
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 2: I also wonder, yeah, Doude, like, where do James Wiseman

787
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 2: and Killian Hayes fit into like the long term plans

788
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 2: of this squad. You know, Bagley's there, you said, Bogdanovich,

789
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 2: I mean, is he Is he going to be moved

790
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 2: out a deadline? You know? Finally? But I love the talent.

791
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 2: I do love kid. I like what we saw from

792
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 2: Jayalen Duran looks good, really good, and os Here Thompson. Yeah,

793
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 2: I mean I like the idea that he can come

794
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 2: in and sort of play defensively for them right away,

795
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 2: But it seems a little too big of a jump.

796
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 2: That's a big, big jump here from you know, basically

797
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 2: the bottom of the Eastern Conference into getting a little

798
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 2: closer flirting with the plan. So I probably would just

799
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: go just under. I think there's gonna be a drastic improvement.

800
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 2: I really do, because I love the idea Monney William's

801
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 2: coming in here. We sort of seen him do this

802
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 2: with Phoenix like way back in the day, but it

803
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 2: was a slow build, yep. And there's gonna be a

804
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 2: development there and just a system put in place that

805
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 2: he's gonna be running. So probably leaning just under. But

806
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 2: a lot of people here on the stream team very excited.

807
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 2: They want some overs for Detroit. They think they'd be

808
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 2: like a thirty win team.

809
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 4: That would be an incredible season for Detroit. I think

810
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 4: all that matters this year is that Cad Cunningham proves

811
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 4: it that he can be their number one franchise cornerstone

812
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 4: because he's had some good moments for sure, had a

813
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 4: nice strong close to the end of his rookie year. Obviously,

814
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 4: we didn't see much of him last season, but the

815
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 4: jury is still out. As far as I'm concerned. The

816
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 4: guy's shooting thirty percent from three and the NBA and

817
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 4: he barely gets to the line. So one of those

818
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 4: has to change. He either has to start getting to

819
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 4: the line more and racking up the points that way,

820
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 4: or he has to find that jumper they had for

821
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 4: only one season in college.

822
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 2: Let's move to the Indiana Pacers at thirty eight and

823
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 2: a half. I thought this was a difficult one. Last year,

824
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 2: Pacers weren't good enough to make the playoffs, but they

825
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 2: weren't bad enough, you know, for a realistic shot at

826
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 2: like the Wemby Sweepstakes by any means. They finished thirty

827
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 2: five and forty seven. Halliburton established himself as one of

828
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 2: the best point guards in the league. Made the All

829
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 2: Star Game. They gave him a Max Miles. Turner was

830
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 2: finally removed from the trade rumor mill. He had an

831
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 2: extension with the Pacers Benedict Matthern. He was arguably the

832
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 2: league's top rookie for maybe six weeks. Yeah, the five

833
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,919
Speaker 2: or six weeks before he hit the rookie wall there.

834
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,439
Speaker 2: They also signed Bruce Brown from the Nuggets two years

835
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:00,280
Speaker 2: forty five mill, and they drafted Ben Sheppard Jarris Waller,

836
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 2: and they traded for Obi Toppin their big subtraction I

837
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 2: guess is Chris Duarte. I mean, I mean not a

838
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 2: whole lot left.

839
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 4: Yep.

840
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 2: They just added some pieces. So this one thirty eight

841
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 2: and a half feels high, feels low to you.

842
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 4: It feels about right, But I'm going over. I have

843
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 4: wiped this over for the Pacers. I think their biggest

844
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 4: minus this season. You're right, Chris Duarte not coming back,

845
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 4: but the loss of the surprise factor is going to

846
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 4: be big for the Pacers because they definitely caught people

847
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 4: off guard last season playing their super fast style, and

848
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 4: they racked up a ton of wins in the first

849
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,439
Speaker 4: half of the season. You mentioned they finished thirty five

850
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 4: and forty seven, but that's with Tyreese Halibert and missing

851
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,399
Speaker 4: thirteen of the last fifteen games. They were twenty eight

852
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 4: and twenty eight when he played. They just kind of

853
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 4: reinvested in that style of play. They paid him his

854
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 4: huge deal. They brought in Bruce Brown, another guy who

855
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 4: can play fast Obie Topping somebody who should thrive playing

856
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 4: in a transition system. So I'm in on the Pacers

857
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 4: this season. I can't wait to watch them, Like, I

858
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 4: think they're gonna be one of the most fun teams

859
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 4: to I love the way Halliburton plays, and I think

860
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 4: he just gets the best out of the rest of

861
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 4: his teammates because you know, if you get open, you're

862
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 4: gonna get the ball and you're gonna have a chance

863
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 4: to score. They're gonna give up a ton of points,

864
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 4: which is also why they're very watchable to me. But

865
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 4: I think they should be in the play and mix

866
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 4: in the forty win range.

867
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 2: So over on the Pacers, you're going over because you're

868
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 2: again you're looking at that thirty five wins. Last year,

869
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: you set a five hundred team with Halliburton, they added

870
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 2: some pete like Bruce Brown's gonna help real goal top

871
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 2: and is probably gonna play and help. Maybe you get

872
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 2: something from one of their rooks there in their new rooks,

873
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 2: probably Walker more than Shepherd to begin with. Yeah, it's like,

874
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 2: can they win four more games? Feel sure feels that way.

875
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 2: It almost feels like a trick here. Yeah, like they're

876
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 2: setting us up for something, so I would probably be

877
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 2: leaning just towards the over as well. Buddy Healed, he

878
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 2: is still a PA. He is still on that score.

879
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 4: Myles Turner, those guys are still here. I had him

880
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 4: both as my most likely to be traded last season.

881
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 2: That's right.

882
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 4: This is here though.

883
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 2: They spite you, all right, and our final team here

884
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 2: in the Central Division, the Milwaukee Bucks the line at

885
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 2: bet MGM fifty six and a half. Everybody knows what

886
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 2: they did. They swapped Drew Holiday for Damian Lillard. They

887
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 2: swapped Mike Budenholzer for rookie coach Adrian Griffin. They swapped

888
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 2: Grayson Allen and Javon Carter from Malik Beasley in campaign,

889
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 2: and they sprinkled in a little Robin Lopez. Because family

890
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 2: fifty six and a half, you probably just watched the

891
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: highlights at the very least of Dame and the Greek

892
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 2: Freak playing together for the first time in their preseason action.

893
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 2: Where are you going?

894
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 4: I think they're gonna be good. I think Damon Giannis

895
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 4: are gonna be a quality pairing together skeets. But I'm

896
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 4: going under here. Fifty eight wins last season, and I

897
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 4: kind of just looked at it as I'm taking one

898
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 4: team over one team under for the Celtics and for

899
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 4: the Bucks. Okay, and the Bucks are the older team,

900
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 4: and I think that could be a problem. Right. A

901
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 4: couple of seasons back, brook Lopez was having back problems.

902
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 4: He missed a huge chunk of the season, and it

903
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 4: was the worst the Bucks have been in the past

904
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 4: few years. So if anything similar happens there, I think

905
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 4: the Bucks take a step back. If Middleton doesn't return

906
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 4: to form two years removed from his hamstring injury, they

907
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 4: take a step back there. If Dame Lillard actually has

908
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 4: health concerns that weren't just tanking related health concerns. They

909
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 4: don't have a lot of depth on this team. I

910
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 4: think that maybe the Bucks are a little bit more

911
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 4: volatile this season as they trend a little bit more

912
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 4: offense focused with Damon for Drew Holliday. So I just

913
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 4: can see them using the regular season to figure out

914
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 4: how they want to play together in the playoffs, in

915
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 4: which case maybe they win fifty five games and they

916
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 4: come in for the under here. But I still think

917
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 4: the Bucks are one of the two best teams in

918
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,760
Speaker 4: the Eastern Conference. I'm just going under from a numbers,

919
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 4: statistics here.

920
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,439
Speaker 2: The encounter to all that. Rob Mahoney I saw wrote

921
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 2: for The Ringer. You can quibble with Milwaukee's depth and

922
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 2: wonder about how age an injury could hamper the supporting cast,

923
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 2: but simply putting Dame and Giannis in the same uniform

924
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 2: has seismic but a lot of truth to that. I

925
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,720
Speaker 2: will reiterate my thoughts on the Bucks. I seriously, seriously

926
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 2: believe another Bucks championship depends on Chris Middleton and where

927
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 2: he is and whether or not he's tapping into his

928
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 2: old all star form. He's their easy number three scoring weapon,

929
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 2: brings them shooting. But he had an injury riddle twenty

930
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 2: two twenty three. I mean, he averaged fifteen points per game,

931
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 2: he shot forty three percent. He only played thirty three games,

932
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 2: so look, he was banged up. But what type of

933
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 2: Middleton are they getting? And yeah, how long does all

934
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 2: of this take? And do they care to win sixty wins?

935
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 4: Now?

936
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 2: I love people in the stream team pointing out this

937
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 2: is giannis revenge season. Pound me over because and like

938
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 2: I sort of step back and go that makes that

939
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,760
Speaker 2: could make some sense. He played his superstar card. He said,

940
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 2: go get me some more talent. Yep, Like, don't mess

941
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 2: around here, I'm coming up soon. When it turns my contract,

942
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 2: everybody's gonna want me. Don't mess around, go go take

943
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 2: a big, big swing, and they do. They get Damian Loward.

944
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: He had got bounced in the first round, you know,

945
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 2: in embarrassing fashion. He's banged up. But the Heat take

946
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: them out and then roll to the NBA Finals like

947
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 2: a pissed off Giannis. I really truly could see happening here.

948
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 2: And you know, like like we were arguing with Embiid

949
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 2: on the sixers, all that feels like a fifty win

950
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 2: team sort of the same is true when Giannis is playing.

951
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 2: It's like the guy plays so damn hard that even

952
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 2: if they're figuring things out with the new roster and

953
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 2: an older roster, that's still probably fifty five plus wins.

954
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 2: But it's fifty six and a half, right, so it

955
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 2: could be under at fifty six, which is probably where

956
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 2: I go. I think you're right, you had talk me

957
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 2: into it. I think they'll they'll just like they've they've

958
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 2: won a title before too. They're gonna like there's no

959
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 2: rush to have sixty five wins.

960
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 4: There's really a box can prove in the regular season.

961
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 2: Right, right, right right? Will they care at all about

962
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 2: racing the Celtics racing I don't know, maybe a six ers,

963
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 2: I don't know. For a number one seed, probably not.

964
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 2: They probably won't.

965
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 4: They lost a game seven in Boston, right, a couple

966
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 4: of seasons back. Yeah, they'll probably care a little bit.

967
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 4: But they also didn't win championships when they were the

968
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 4: first seed in the Eastern Conference. Every time they've been

969
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 4: the first seed in the Eastern Conference. And I probably

970
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:05,439
Speaker 4: don't care that much.

971
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll go just under on the Milwaukee Bucks. All right,

972
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 2: we gotta take one more break when we come back

973
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 2: the final division in the Eastern Conference. You're a big

974
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 2: ag guy, or at least your household is.

975
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 4: Yes, indeed, And we also love to say AG all good.

976
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,439
Speaker 2: That's good? Yeah, all good?

977
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 4: Okay is dead? AG is in?

978
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 2: I like it all right? The Southeast Division, JD, please

979
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 2: Jimmy Butler making the graphic here. For the Southeast, we

980
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 2: got the Hawks forty two and a half, Hornets thirty

981
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 2: and a half, Heat forty six and a half, Magic

982
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 2: thirty seven and a half, and the Wizard's twenty four

983
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 2: and a half AKA this division sort of sucks, So

984
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 2: let's break it down. Yeah, let's start obviously with the

985
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 2: Hawks here in alphabetical order. What do you think Trey Kirby,

986
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 2: They added Patty Mills, Wesley Matthews to a solid shooting team.

987
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 2: I mean, you got Trey Young, you got Bogdanovich, you

988
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 2: got Sadik Bay. John Collins finally moved to Utah, so

989
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 2: maybe that opens up more minutes, more opportunity for be

990
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 2: it Bay or Jalen Johnson or AJ Griffin or even

991
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 2: a congu there their backup center. And they got Kobe

992
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 2: Buffkin with their first round pick forty and a half. Boy,

993
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 2: where are you going?

994
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 4: This is a weird one to me? Forty one and

995
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 4: forty one last season, and you go through the ins

996
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 4: and the outs of people who are here. But to me,

997
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 4: it's basically the biggest inn is a full season of

998
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 4: Quinn Snyder. He was there half of the year last season,

999
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 4: but at media day he mentioned basically had never had

1000
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 4: a chance to put in an offense, so they were

1001
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 4: just kind of figuring out on them fly. So I

1002
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 4: think coming in this season, the offense probably is more cohesive,

1003
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 4: the defense should be better. Snyder's talking up a big

1004
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 4: game of if you don't play defense, you're not gonna play.

1005
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 4: Like you said, the Hawks have a lot of options

1006
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 4: at their wing and you know, backup bigs kind of

1007
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 4: spots that you can cycle through players to get somebody

1008
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 4: who actually is gonna play. Personnel wise, they did lose

1009
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 4: John Collins. The guy's been starting for a while. He's

1010
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 4: played every season with Trey Young, so that will be

1011
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 4: a change. I think their personnel got like a tiny

1012
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 4: little bit worse, so that to me just means under

1013
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 4: I think they're probably around forty forty one wins once again.

1014
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 4: DeAndre Hunter, Sadik Bay, Jalen Johnson. That kind of is

1015
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 4: the way they go over this forty two and a

1016
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 4: half line here, because all of those guys are very inconsistent,

1017
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 4: have their flashes. Who knows who's actually gonna start at

1018
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 4: the four for this team. I imagine it'll be Bay.

1019
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 4: If Jalen Johnson pops, maybe he's the guy. But I'm

1020
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 4: not necessarily convinced on any of those three. So I

1021
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 4: think the Hawks can look better this season and just

1022
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 4: kind of still be in the same spot.

1023
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 2: It took until our eleventh team here in the Eastern

1024
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 2: conference for you and I to really disagree, there we go.

1025
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 2: I'm pounding the Hawks over forty two and a half

1026
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,439
Speaker 2: feels too low to me. I think there's a big

1027
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 2: rebound year with Atlanta with Trey Young specif even sure,

1028
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 2: but I love the idea. I'm banking on Quinn Snyder

1029
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 2: with a full camp to implement a system and get

1030
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,280
Speaker 2: these guys playing the right way. I mean, he apparently

1031
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 2: didn't even try to add anything after he took over

1032
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 2: last season, like mid season, you know, it takes over

1033
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 2: for Nate mc millan just sort of sees what he has.

1034
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 2: They make the playoffs, nothing really happens. I flew up

1035
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 2: to Boston to watch them get punked by the Celtics

1036
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 2: in a playoff game. But I really I'm in on

1037
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 2: this team. I think they're actually going to be what

1038
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 2: I say, drastically better than forty two and a half.

1039
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 2: Like I'm comfortable thinking they're like a forty five forty

1040
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 2: six win team. I actually have them sort of like

1041
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 2: getting a little closer to those those mid tier teams

1042
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 2: in the Eastern Conference and sort of and and I

1043
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 2: guess the better way to put it is taking a

1044
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 2: leap forward from our Raptors and our Bulls, let's put

1045
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 2: it that way. I don't see them sort of hanging

1046
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 2: around there. I know the lines a little differently, but

1047
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 2: I like this. I like the Vets coming in here again.

1048
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 2: I like all the shooting on this team. I love

1049
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 2: what I'm hearing, like, hey, you gotta play some defense.

1050
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 2: I think a Congwu could have a big breakout season.

1051
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 2: I'm in. I'm in on the Hawks again. Forty five,

1052
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 2: forty six wins. I like this one. This will be

1053
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,720
Speaker 2: one of my locks for the over I'm happy, we're happy.

1054
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 2: We're disagreeing on one here.

1055
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 4: You think it's a lock, I'm actually kind of surprised

1056
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 4: by that. What do you like from Trey Young and

1057
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 4: Dejonte Murray?

1058
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I like that where they are in the

1059
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 2: landscape of the NBA, they're completely being overlooked. They're completely

1060
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 2: being like, uh, you're one dimensional player. That's not gonna

1061
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 2: work with the two of them. I mean, they had

1062
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 2: one year and they had Nam mc millaner as their coach.

1063
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 2: I'm really really focusing on Quinn Snyder. That guy gets

1064
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 2: regular season results, get to the playoffs. It's a whole

1065
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 2: different matter. As we saw on Utah, but he gets

1066
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 2: results in the regular season, and I think that's what's

1067
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 2: gonna get them too well over a five hundred team.

1068
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 2: That's where I that's where I fall. I'm high on this,

1069
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 2: and like, I think one of these young guys, be

1070
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 2: it Jalen Johnson, maybe Griffin, even Bay's not even all

1071
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 2: that old. Like I like some youth here, some energy

1072
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 2: with these guys, and I think that. I just think

1073
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 2: the vibe around them is going to be better. And

1074
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 2: you know what helps their expectations are no one's saying

1075
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 2: all the locks, man, they better have home court a

1076
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 2: van like they're not there now, which I think actually

1077
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 2: helps a weird team like this, and they were like

1078
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 2: hilarious last year. Win one, lose one, win one, lose one. Yeah,

1079
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 2: I think a bold prediction. I think the Hawks are

1080
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 2: gonna have a three game win streak at some point

1081
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 2: this year. All right, So I don't know. I like,

1082
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,720
Speaker 2: I like Atlanta for like a forty five win season,

1083
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 2: and that obviously gets them over by a couple I guess,

1084
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 2: all right, let's keep it going. Charlotte Hornets thirty and

1085
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 2: a half wins. They had a dreadful twenty two to

1086
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 2: twenty three, and if you remember last year in our

1087
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 2: season previews, we were saying pound the under. We hated

1088
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 2: that line. Yeah, I forget what it was off top

1089
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 2: of my head, but we were saying, hit the under

1090
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 2: on Charlotte. There's no way they're hitting that number, and

1091
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 2: they did it. But maybe there's some optimism here. I

1092
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 2: don't know, Trey. You know, after a brief dip two

1093
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 2: years ago, they were a forty three win team. Most

1094
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 2: of those pieces are sort of back. Lamelow Ball obviously

1095
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 2: should be playing. As much as it pains me to

1096
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 2: say this, I guess Miles Bridges might be back. I mean,

1097
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 2: he's a twenty point per game score. Willie. We don't

1098
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 2: know he's at practice right now. He's gonna miss the

1099
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 2: first ten games of this season, but whatever he is.

1100
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 2: Oddly there, you got Brandon Miller number two pick in

1101
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 2: the mix, and Mark Williams, when he was given the

1102
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 2: keys to sort of be a starter at the end

1103
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 2: of last year, look good. Twelve and ten. Guy can rebound,

1104
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 2: block shots, and you know he's a rim running big

1105
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,280
Speaker 2: that you compare with LaMelo, So it makes some sense. PJ.

1106
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 2: Washington signed a deal. We love our Chevy tracks is here.

1107
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 4: These are just names.

1108
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 2: These are names. But are they like Williams and Nick Richards? Yeah,

1109
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:38,439
Speaker 2: Nick Richards default names.

1110
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 4: We made a seven foot guy. We ate two of them,

1111
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 4: gave him the most boring names in the NBA. Mark

1112
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:48,399
Speaker 4: Williams and Nick Richards incredible stuff. But I'm going over here.

1113
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 4: I just think you're going going over here. The line

1114
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,439
Speaker 4: is too small. Thirty and a half. They were twenty

1115
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 4: seven and fifty five last year and LaMelo played thirty

1116
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 4: six games. When LaMelo has played in his NBA career,

1117
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 4: they win it a thirty eight win pace. He plays fast.

1118
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 4: Teams are not going to be taking the Hornets all

1119
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 4: that seriously, and they can catch you off guard by

1120
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 4: playing fast break basketball the entire time. This is one

1121
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 4: hundred percent for me, a bet on LaMelo being a

1122
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 4: really good player and the line being so so low.

1123
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,280
Speaker 4: You mentioned last year a disaster season. LaMelo kept getting

1124
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 4: hurt by like stepping on fans feet. He's sprained his

1125
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 4: ankle multiple times just from courtside fans being around. So

1126
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 4: as long as he's able to stay away from a

1127
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 4: couple of ankle injuries and play seventy games, I think

1128
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 4: the Hornets can at least be in the mix for

1129
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,399
Speaker 4: you know, thirty two to thirty eight wins something like that.

1130
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 2: I also like, in going through their roster, didn't mention

1131
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 2: probably two of their top four players maybe when they

1132
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 2: played Terry Rozier and Gordon Hayward. That's how weird this

1133
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 2: team is. I mean, yeah, Gordon Hayward still there. Yeah,

1134
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 2: I know he struggles to play, but yeah, thirty and

1135
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 2: a half feels low. It's just whether or not it

1136
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 2: really how much do you put into vibes, because you

1137
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 2: gotta admit I would say the vibes are in the

1138
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 2: shitter with this team heading into this season.

1139
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 4: They would get one on the vibe, they would get

1140
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 4: a one.

1141
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 2: But yeah, if LaMelo Blaze plays is it was last

1142
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 2: year just that weird dip to get the number two pick,

1143
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,240
Speaker 2: and they ultimately selected Miller, like we said, over Scoot

1144
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 2: And this is sort of just back to where they are,

1145
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 2: which feels like a thirty win team, like a you know,

1146
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 2: a low thirty win team. And if not, more like

1147
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 2: you said, forty three wins two years ago.

1148
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 4: That's that was good. That surprising, yes, very.

1149
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 2: Very surprising, but no one wants to bet on this team,

1150
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 2: either of the over. That's the thing I don't want

1151
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:38,919
Speaker 2: to I don't want to cheer for a team that's

1152
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 2: still employing Miles Bridges. I'll tell you that, which is

1153
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 2: what the under a spite? No, but that is low.

1154
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 2: That's a low number. Thirty and a half. All right,

1155
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 2: let's go to the heat. Miami forty six and a half,

1156
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 2: coming off a stunning run right from the play into

1157
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 2: the NBA Finals. They got through the Bucks, they got

1158
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 2: through the Celtics to get there, and this offseason, hey,

1159
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 2: it's all set up to land Damian Lillard. Whoops, No,

1160
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 2: they did it instead. They lost Max Struz. He signed

1161
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 2: with the kaz As we talked about. They lost Gabe Vincent,

1162
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 2: he signed with the Lakers. They also traded away Victor Oladipo,

1163
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 2: which I had totally forgotten about. They used their they

1164
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 2: used their first rounder on Jimei Hawkes Junior, who does

1165
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,760
Speaker 2: look good. I'm a fan of his. Kevin Love was resigned,

1166
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 2: and I guess their big addition was Thomas Bryant, who

1167
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 2: already has a great reaction in preseason when he got

1168
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 2: by Wenby did the thrunk and he looked over, Holy crap.

1169
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 2: So their top five remains the same. It's Butler, Lowry,

1170
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 2: Tyler heroes there, Bam and Caleb Martin. But then like

1171
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 2: their sort of next three, you know, minutes eaters if

1172
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:44,919
Speaker 2: you want to call that, are all gone. So it's

1173
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:46,879
Speaker 2: a little bit of a different squad here. Forty six

1174
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 2: and a half. Though, this is always a tough team

1175
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 2: to figure out. It's their two different seasons with the

1176
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 2: heat regular season in the playoffs. But what do you think?

1177
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the way last year played out is really

1178
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 4: messes with this line, right, forty four wins and at

1179
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 4: the end of last season, they were playing their hardest

1180
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 4: to get out of the play in tournament, like they

1181
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 4: did not want to be in that seven through ten

1182
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 4: seed and they could not catch the Brooklyn nets for

1183
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 4: whatever reason. And then it turns playoff time and we

1184
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 4: all know the story there. They went to the NBA Finals,

1185
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 4: incredible stuff, but only forty four wins last season. They're

1186
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 4: often in that forty five win range. I don't love

1187
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 4: the additions that they brought in, Josh Richardson, another guy

1188
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 4: who's probably gonna play. I do wonder if Hi may

1189
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 4: Hawks Junior will be the next JJJ doesn't seem like

1190
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 4: it though. Imagine two guys in the NBA with the

1191
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 4: nickname JJJ no because.

1192
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 2: He's got a cool name too. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

1193
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 4: Tyler Hero gonna be motivated this season after being traded

1194
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 4: every single day basically for two months. He avers twenty

1195
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 4: a game last year. The Heat were thirty seven and

1196
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 4: thirty when he played, so as long as he's able

1197
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 4: to stay on the court, he helps in the regular season.

1198
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 4: But they don't really care about the regular season. They'll

1199
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 4: peak in the playoffs as they always do, and the depth.

1200
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 4: To me, losing Strus and Vincent definitely hurts because those

1201
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 4: guys played so much in the playoffs and caught fire

1202
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 4: at the absolute right times. But you know, the Heat

1203
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 4: are gonna find guys who can play at least during

1204
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 4: the regular season, like we saw some good Haywood high

1205
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 4: Smith minutes last year. During the postseason, He'll probably have

1206
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 4: a decent season for him this year. Kevin Love had

1207
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 4: great playoff moments last year. They maybe don't need quite

1208
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 4: as much from him, and we'll see how Martin does

1209
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 4: as well. So I think I'm going under for the Heat,

1210
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 4: but I also think they're probably the third best team

1211
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 4: in the Eastern Conference and it comes down to actually

1212
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 4: winning the thing. But this is all about the regular season.

1213
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:36,399
Speaker 4: So give me an under on the Heat.

1214
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 2: So what you think they're gonna be like a forty

1215
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,879
Speaker 2: four to forty five win team. Yeah, that's gonna put them,

1216
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 2: maybe gets them to sixth, but maybe they gotta go

1217
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 2: through the play in again. They might, yeah, and then

1218
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 2: nobody's gonna want to play them in a first round.

1219
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 2: That's what Maybe that's what the Celtics and Bucks will

1220
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 2: be jocking for, not forget number one seed, just playing

1221
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 2: the heat stay out of that Side's exactly right, actually,

1222
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 2: so it's potentially. Yeah, it's a tough one with them.

1223
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 2: I mean the Lowry, I mean, like, what type of

1224
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 2: Lowry as your point guard?

1225
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 4: Too?

1226
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 2: Are you getting at his age with his health issues

1227
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 2: at times and staying staying out there? I know he

1228
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 2: had some family things that kept him away. I guess

1229
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 2: that was last season. So hopefully that's off the table.

1230
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 2: But they sort of need, you know, you need We've

1231
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 2: seen Jimmy need, some other guys, some other you know,

1232
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 2: ball handlers at least in a regular season to help

1233
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 2: carry the load. And that could be hero and of

1234
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 2: course should be lowry, but Kenny Stay, I think you're right.

1235
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 2: That's good. That's a good line. I like that line.

1236
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 2: You know, they didn't get like they went to the

1237
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 2: finals and Vegas could have gone crazy and set that

1238
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 2: much much higher. But they know what's going on here

1239
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 2: At forty six and a half, ooh, tight one, all right,

1240
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 2: here's a fun team also in Florida, the new Orlando

1241
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 2: Magic at thirty seven and a half. They made a

1242
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:52,439
Speaker 2: twelve win improvement last year, you know over the prior year.

1243
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 2: I think that was the best jump in the Eastern Conference.

1244
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 2: They started five and twenty yep, and they went on

1245
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 2: a twenty nine and twenty eight you know run if

1246
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 2: you want to call it. That close out their schedules.

1247
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 2: So we played five hundred ball basically. They were in

1248
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 2: postseason contention right to the end to the final couple

1249
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 2: of games, couldn't get in the play in what do

1250
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 2: you think? I feel like this is a team that

1251
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 2: a lot of people were excited about because of all

1252
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 2: their youth and maybe they blossom even more in Ben

1253
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 2: Carrow and Wagner and stuff. But where are you going

1254
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 2: thirty seven and a half.

1255
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is an exciting team and a fun team

1256
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 4: to be in on this year, and like you mentioned,

1257
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 4: they started five and twenty. And that's a part of

1258
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 4: the reason that people are so hyped about the Magic

1259
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 4: is that they never gave up in the second half

1260
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 4: of the season. But also that means they didn't give

1261
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 4: up in the second half of the season when a

1262
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 4: lot of other teams did, and that's where they're getting

1263
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 4: probably some cheap wins that boosted their total compared to

1264
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 4: a team like the Dallas Mavericks, they gave up at

1265
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 4: the end of the season. The Nuggets gave up at

1266
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 4: the end of the season, right like certain teams just

1267
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 4: shut it down a little bit, get ready for the

1268
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 4: playoffs or get ready for a draft pick. The Magic

1269
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 4: did none of that. I don't think they got better

1270
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 4: this season. They brought in basically a couple of rookies

1271
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 4: and Joe Ingles as an old guy, but they didn't

1272
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 4: really get worse either, losing Bull Bull and Mobamba, so

1273
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:07,479
Speaker 4: maybe they got thicker saying goodbye to the skinny guys.

1274
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 4: I think they're gonna be bad on offense. Polo's a

1275
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 4: good offensive player, Franz is a very good offensive player.

1276
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 4: Wendell Carter Junior can do some stuff, but they don't

1277
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 4: really have a playmaker. I think their guard rotation is

1278
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 4: still pretty unsettled. Bringing Anthony Black alongside Folts, alongside Suggs,

1279
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 4: alongside Cole Anthony. They just want any of these guys

1280
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 4: to be their point guard of the future. I don't

1281
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 4: necessarily know if that player is going to show up

1282
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 4: this season, so I think the offense is going to

1283
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 4: be a struggle. Defense they could be a little bit better.

1284
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 4: They've got really good size in Carter in polo in

1285
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 4: Franz Jonathan. Isaac will see what he can actually give them.

1286
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 4: But they've got some good positional size, which bodes well

1287
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 4: for their defense. But I think there's too many questions

1288
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 4: offensively for them to take another step forward like they

1289
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 4: did last year. So I'm barely under on this one.

1290
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 4: I think they'll probably be a better team, but it

1291
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 4: might not necessarily show in the win total. But if

1292
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 4: you look at it over the course of two seasons

1293
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 4: and you're like, oh, you're plus fifteen wins in two years,

1294
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 4: that's incredible, But maybe a lot of it was backloaded

1295
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 4: last year.

1296
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 2: Looks what's fun about it? That got overlooked because no

1297
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 2: one's really caring about the Atlanto magic. As the season

1298
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 2: went on, especially after five and twenty start, Markel Fultz

1299
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 2: did start to turn into an actually solid basketball players

1300
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 2: point guard, very very very good. He's getting better. You're

1301
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 2: hoping he even continues to evolve. I mean, obviously the

1302
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 2: start of his career that was garbage. That was not

1303
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 2: that was a rough start. But he's turning into a

1304
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 2: really good player. I like that they have continuity here.

1305
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 2: You know, they are a young team, so maybe you're

1306
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 2: you're hoping that they're going to be healthy. I do

1307
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 2: love that they have so many guys that it feels

1308
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 2: like you're gonna have to earn a spot. Yeah, in

1309
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 2: the rotation. That can sometimes lead to success. You know,

1310
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 2: you're battling it out at some positions because like the

1311
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 2: starting unit is probably Mark L.

1312
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 4: Fultz.

1313
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 2: I think Gary Harris probably still starts at the two

1314
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 2: for them, Franz Wagner, Paolo and then Wendell Carter Junior.

1315
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 2: And then you said a lot of these guys, Colon, Anthony,

1316
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 2: Jalen Suggs, Jonathan Isaac, Joe Ingles is there, Anthony Black

1317
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 2: and Jed how are their two picks? And then Mo Wagner.

1318
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 2: They got two Wagner's on the team. I like that there.

1319
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 2: That could breed some competition there, and you got to

1320
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 2: earn these minutes. But yeah, it's a it's another it's

1321
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 2: another sort of like improvement on a huge improvement from

1322
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 2: the year before. But I think that's why people are

1323
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 2: talking themselves in a lot of people are thinking the

1324
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 2: Magic are gonna be one of these teams that are

1325
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 2: like they're in the play in, especially if you have

1326
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 2: the Raptors or Bulls. Yeah, both, if not one of

1327
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 2: them falling out. And I think that makes sense. I

1328
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 2: can see why that's that's the case. You know, the

1329
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 2: Nets they're probably around there too, as we talked about

1330
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 2: off the top of the show. But thirty seven and

1331
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 2: a half good line, good line, I think. I leen

1332
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 2: just under man, I'm torn between the Magic and the

1333
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 2: Pacers as the team that have similar lines here that's

1334
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 2: gonna like exceed the expectations by three or four games

1335
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 2: because I think one of them will. I just don't

1336
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 2: know which one.

1337
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 4: Oh, that's Pacers for me. Okay, that's a guard's league

1338
01:01:57,880 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 4: and they got a good guard. But man, I didn't

1339
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 4: realize that it the Magic have five guys from the

1340
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 4: University of Michigan on their team. That's ridiculous.

1341
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 2: Wow, and you love you love Blue.

1342
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I've seen all of their guys play in college.

1343
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 4: But it's like their decision.

1344
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 2: Maker a Wolverine didn't know that?

1345
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 4: Is it Ben Golliver making the piss?

1346
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 2: He must be high on the mat final team here

1347
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:21,439
Speaker 2: in the Eastern Conference, Washington Wizards twenty four and a half.

1348
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 2: The Beal and Porzingis trades got them back Jordan Poole,

1349
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 2: Patrick Baldwin, Junior Tyus Jones, Danilo Gallinari, Mike Muscala, Ryan Hollins,

1350
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 2: Landry Shammitt, a protected first round pick, Ryan Pick swaps

1351
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 2: with Phoenix and eight second rounders Ryan Rollins, right Hollins.

1352
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 2: Did I say Hollins?

1353
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 4: I don't know?

1354
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 2: I plaid or iPad?

1355
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 4: I plaid Ryan Hollands and Ryan Rollins.

1356
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 2: They also selected Blao kulabali H the athletic wing from

1357
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 2: France with their number seven pick. Surprise some people, twenty

1358
01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 2: four and a half one of the lowest numbers, if

1359
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 2: not the lowest number we've got here in the Eastern Conference.

1360
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 4: It is yep.

1361
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 2: Is it too high? Is it too low?

1362
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 4: What that number is too low. Washington Wizards easy over.

1363
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 4: I do believe whoa oh, they have NBA players throughout

1364
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 4: their entire rotation, Like basically all their guys in the

1365
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 4: top seven would be the seventh man on another team,

1366
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 4: if not better than that, like Pool just over taxed

1367
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 4: and the scapegoat of the Golden State Warriors, Tyas Jones

1368
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 4: are really good backup point guard now maybe a good

1369
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 4: starting point guard Kyle Kuzma. He keep playing on teams

1370
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 4: that are trying to win as well. I think that

1371
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 4: this line is so low because people are assuming that

1372
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 4: the Wizards will probably make some trades at some point.

1373
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 4: Kuzma will no doubt being trade deadline talks once he's

1374
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 4: eligible once again. But right now, I think they just

1375
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 4: have too many decent NBA players, just like the Pacers

1376
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 4: last year. I was over on the Pacers last year

1377
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 4: just because it was like, if they don't trade their guys,

1378
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 4: they're gonna win games because they got decent guys. That's

1379
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 4: the case this year, so I think they could win

1380
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 4: twenty nine games go over pretty easily. But this isn't

1381
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 4: over for me.

1382
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 2: I like Schumann's point here. I saw in one of

1383
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 2: his articles on this team. If the Wizards can come

1384
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:11,439
Speaker 2: together in the style of last year's Utah Jazz, who

1385
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 2: also traded away their two best players, then they could

1386
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 2: compete for a playing spot. Unlikely, even Shoe points out,

1387
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 2: But who cares about that? Could they win twenty five

1388
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 2: games or more? That's all we're debating here. Uh, you know,

1389
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 2: I can see why that makes sense. You know, like

1390
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 2: you finally move off of Bill. You know, Porzingis obviously

1391
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 2: is a good player. He's gonna look a lot better

1392
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:34,120
Speaker 2: with the Boston Celtics than he ever sort of looked

1393
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 2: with the Wizards as like their go to big or

1394
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 2: obviously second best player. Twenty four and a half feels low,

1395
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 2: but you wonder like it's gonna it feels like it

1396
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 2: could be a hilarious team too, with Pool and Kuzma

1397
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 2: like fighting for the ball, like Carlton and Will Smith.

1398
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 2: I mean, that could be funny.

1399
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 4: They could easily have like a full season compilation of

1400
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 4: Shockton a.

1401
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 2: Fool at the end, right right, right, Yeah, taking us

1402
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 2: back to some old Wizards tea when they had some characters. Yeah, exactly, Man,

1403
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 2: twenty four and a half, it's it's very low number,

1404
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 2: so very low number for a team that, yeah, I

1405
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 2: know it's different, but won thirty five games. Man, I

1406
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 2: look at all these lines and I'm always like, over

1407
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 2: over over, like I want to convince myself every one

1408
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 2: of them is disrespectful. But at the end of the day,

1409
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 2: first off, some are gonna be under and there's gonna

1410
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 2: be some shitty teams. Yep, there's gonna be some twenty

1411
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 2: win teams. There's gotta be one or two. So who

1412
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 2: is it out of? Out of the Wizards and your Pistons,

1413
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 2: and you know your your magic, maybe our teams, Like

1414
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 2: who knows, There's gonna be some garbage teams in the

1415
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 2: in the East, and you just gotta figure out who

1416
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:38,919
Speaker 2: they are, all right, So that's the Wizards. I would

1417
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 2: probably lean. I'm gonna lean that they are gonna be

1418
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 2: one of those teams. So I guess I'll lean under,

1419
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 2: but it won't be a lock. Let's wrap up this

1420
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 2: pod with our locks, though. You want to go back

1421
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 2: and forth. You want to go one, two, three. What

1422
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 2: are Trey Kirby's locks for the Eastern Conference over under

1423
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 2: win totals.

1424
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 4: I'll give you my two biggest locks. Okay, I'll start

1425
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 4: with that the third lock. Well, narvous, I'm a third lock.

1426
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 4: I'm not totally locked in on it, but I'm locked

1427
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 4: in on Cleveland going over fifty and a half wins.

1428
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 4: They had fifty one wins last season. I think they

1429
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 4: got better, okay, and they've got a chip on their

1430
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 4: shoulder after getting punked by the Knicks in the playoffs.

1431
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 4: So give me Cleveland over fifteen and a half. I

1432
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 4: think they finished third in the Eastern Conference regular season.

1433
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 4: My other locked Detroit Pistons under twenty eight and a half.

1434
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 4: I just think that that's too many wins to add.

1435
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 4: I don't think that they were as bad as a

1436
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 4: seventeen win team last season, but I also don't think

1437
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 4: they're gonna add twelve wins just by bringing in a

1438
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 4: new coach, a new rookie, and getting Cad cunning hand

1439
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 4: back for an entire season.

1440
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 2: So yeah, those are my two lockies locks. Okay, So

1441
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 2: Calves over over Piston's under. Okay, I'll give you my

1442
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 2: two locks. I got one that I'm guaranteed. It's the Hawks.

1443
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 2: I went through it already. I love that over forty

1444
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 2: two and a half. I feel like they're gonna be

1445
01:06:57,240 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 2: a forty five forty six win team. I'm gonna go

1446
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 2: with a lock the Milwaukee Bucks under. Okay, after thinking

1447
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 2: about it, now, you honest like the revenge season, Yes,

1448
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 2: but that's playoff time, baby, that's not regular season. He's

1449
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 2: not dumb um, and they're gonna be good. They could

1450
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:15,439
Speaker 2: still win fifty five games and still be the under.

1451
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go Milwaukee as my under. I think

1452
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 2: it's nice. It's uh. I know it's weird because of

1453
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 2: course they're gonna be one of the teams in championship contention.

1454
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 2: But we've seen like the Nuggets do this many times,

1455
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:29,840
Speaker 2: you know, not rocking up sixty win seasons by any means.

1456
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 2: So I'll go under. And then we get to our

1457
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:34,520
Speaker 2: third and final lock and you're you're are you still

1458
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 2: searching for it?

1459
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 4: I was considering locking in Milwaukee as an under as well,

1460
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 4: but since you took that one, I'll go with my

1461
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 4: other potential choice, Miami Heat under forty six and a half.

1462
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 2: Wow. Wow.

1463
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 4: And it's not dissimilar to taking the under on the Bucks.

1464
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 4: I think these will be two of the three best

1465
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 4: teams in the Eastern Conference when it really comes down

1466
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 4: to games that matter. But for the regular season. I

1467
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 4: just don't think Miami cares all that much. They'll care

1468
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 4: enough to get into the sixth seed this season rather

1469
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 4: than be seventh or eighth.

1470
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 2: My final lock, I'm surprising myself here a little bit.

1471
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go Knicks. I'm going next, I believe. I like, uh,

1472
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 2: I needed to hear that stat about how how they

1473
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 2: struggled out of the gate last year. I like that. Yeah,

1474
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 2: you know Josh Hart then comes in later that completely

1475
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 2: got them going. He's out there at the start of

1476
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 2: the season, Devincenzo, as we said, you know, just another

1477
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 2: another guy, great vibes, they all know each other forty

1478
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 2: five and a half. I mean, it's a good line.

1479
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:33,639
Speaker 2: But I just don't why why are they falling off?

1480
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:36,680
Speaker 2: I'm struggling to like, like Brentson is the type of

1481
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 2: player that's gonna just like if he's playing. I mean,

1482
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 2: you know, injury comes in to play with all these

1483
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 2: but like, that guy's out there, he's damn good and

1484
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Speaker 2: you're just gonna be a really solid team. He's I mean,

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Speaker 2: I made this comparison years ago. He's Van Vliet like

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Speaker 2: in that sense, he's just a really damn good point

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Speaker 2: guard and your team is going to be above average,

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Speaker 2: so I'll go the Knicks forty five and a half

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Speaker 2: over all. Right, so just to recap, you have the

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Speaker 2: Cat over fifty and a half, you got the Pistons

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Speaker 2: under twenty eight and a half, and ultimately you're going

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Speaker 2: under on the Miami Heat. That's right at forty six

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Speaker 2: and a half. And my three locks. I am going

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Speaker 2: over forty two and a half for the Atlanta Hawks,

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Speaker 2: I am going under for the Milwaukee Bucks just under there,

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Speaker 2: fifty six and a half, and I'm going over for

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Speaker 2: New York City forty five and a half. Let's hear

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Speaker 2: from you. Who are your locks? Let us know in

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Speaker 2: the stream team as you already are. Let us know

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Speaker 2: in the YouTube comments. Tweet at us at No Dunk Sinc.

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Speaker 2: Let's call it there, Let's call it there, let's regroup,

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Speaker 2: let's get ready for the Western Conference tomorrow. That's right,

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Speaker 2: we're daily once again, season five of No Dunks. Join

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01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 2: us live at ten am Eastern on YouTube. Smash the

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01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:53,440
Speaker 2: like button, hit the subscribe, hit that little bell notification

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01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 2: thing so you know when the boys are going live, bell,

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01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 2: and we'll do the Western Conference tomorrow. I'm excited about

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01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:01,160
Speaker 2: this one. As we go through all fifteen teams look

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Speaker 2: at their over unders and debate, oh under over, and

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Speaker 2: then lock a few in. Guys, thanks so much for

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Speaker 2: joining us Live here TK, great work, Great work to you.

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Speaker 2: We got another two hundred and fifty shows Togo. Should

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Speaker 2: I have said that out loud? Probably not. Jad just

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Speaker 2: started crying. Whoops, go check out? Is this good with

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Speaker 2: Freddy Katz? And we will see you tomorrow. Until then,

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Speaker 2: clip a.

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Speaker 4: Road here first, have a great time, turn up, love

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Speaker 4: you guys, awesome. Thanks for joining us, and remember I

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01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 4: thought a quote would come to me. That's not all

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Speaker 4: want to come in the middle of the show. I'd

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01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:46,640
Speaker 4: have a great thing to say, but uh as I

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Speaker 4: like to say when I don't have a quote. Thanks

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01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:51,759
Speaker 4: for joining us, and remember that we'll see you tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: No, we can't end the first show like that. I

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01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 2: had a dream last night that Rihanna came on No

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Speaker 2: dunks like popped in out of nowhere. No, but he

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Speaker 2: had any idea. She sat down. She seemed to be

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Speaker 2: a fan of the show, but I couldn't quite tell.

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Speaker 2: And then I tried to talk basketball with her, like

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Speaker 2: we all did. She didn't really want to and then

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Speaker 2: we wrapped up the segment with her singing Gone Till November,

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Speaker 2: and we chimed in the White Club Sean song and

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Speaker 2: she was surprised that we knew the lyrics. And then

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Speaker 2: I woke up.

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Speaker 4: January February March.

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Speaker 2: Said she got really excited. That's a great album, the Carnival. Yes,

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Speaker 2: is that what it was? His? His album?

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Speaker 4: Is that what it's called.

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Speaker 2: It's good, all right, We'll see you guys tomorrow and

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Speaker 2: brace the day people