Speaker 1: Warning.
Speaker 2: Today's episode, after about ten minutes of spoiler free conversation,
Speaker 2: will contain spoilers for Deadpool and Wolverine. Hello, my name
Speaker 2: is Jason Concepcion and on Wedsday Night, and welcome back
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Speaker 1: In today's episode, it's a big air lock chat about
Speaker 1: Deadpool and Wolverine. As Jason mentioned in the first ten minutes,
Speaker 1: are gonna be spoiler free. We're gonna sell the movie
Speaker 1: to you. We're gonna tell you who is this movie for?
Speaker 1: Was the advertising correct? Do you want to see it?
Speaker 1: Did we enjoy it? But then it's gonna go full spoilers.
Speaker 1: And I have to say this is the rare movie
Speaker 1: that I'm actually really glad I didn't get spoiled for.
Speaker 1: I usually don't mind, but there was some moments in
Speaker 1: which really took my breath away, So I'm saying be careful.
Speaker 1: And after that little ten minute count, we will do
Speaker 1: another spoiler warning. And if you haven't seen it, I
Speaker 1: would say go and check.
Speaker 2: It out, and that's gonna be the spoiler conversation. Is
Speaker 2: gonna be a free flowing conversation containing many spoilers about
Speaker 2: a lot of different topics, including who appears in this movie, cameos,
Speaker 2: where this leaves us, etc.
Speaker 1: And comic books, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2: So let's jump into it. Okay, Rosie, we have seen
Speaker 2: Deadpool and Wolverine. Sell this movie to someone who's like,
Speaker 2: I really want to see this or I'm slightly on
Speaker 2: the fence about seeing it. Uh, I don't. I've seen
Speaker 2: all the trailers and is this movie for me? Sell
Speaker 2: it to a Rosie?
Speaker 1: Do you like violence?
Speaker 3: You?
Speaker 1: Looney Tunes style actions?
Speaker 3: Time?
Speaker 1: Do you love the MCU? Are you somebody who goes
Speaker 1: to the movie theater often? Do you enjoy cinema? Do
Speaker 1: you enjoy cinematic references? Do you enjoy comic book references?
Speaker 1: These are the things that you are going to need
Speaker 1: to enjoy if you want to enjoy this movie. Are
Speaker 1: you someone who has at times sat around with your
Speaker 1: friends and riffed on ideas about what you might want
Speaker 1: to see in a movie like this? This may well
Speaker 1: bring some of those ideas to life. I would say
Speaker 1: that you go with your friends, you just be prepared
Speaker 1: to see some gory action and some a lot of jokes,
Speaker 1: lots of bits going on here. And that's that's what
Speaker 1: I would say, Jason, what about you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that. I agree with everything you said.
Speaker 2: And I would say, do you like are you a
Speaker 2: fan of the first two Deadpool movies that kind of tone,
Speaker 2: that kind of snecker a huge the genre tone, Then
Speaker 2: you're gonna like this movie because all of that is
Speaker 2: amped up, amped up, I would say, yeah, a good
Speaker 2: ten to fifteen percent over what you've seen before. More jokes,
Speaker 2: more meta commentary, more winking, lots of fourth wall, lots
Speaker 2: of like meta commentary on the fourth wall and what
Speaker 2: it means. All of that makes it sound smarter. It's
Speaker 2: actually pretty smart for how dumb it is. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: a very it's a very very smart dumb movie. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it knows what it is and it's giving that
Speaker 2: to you. Do you love the characters Deadpool and Wolverine?
Speaker 2: Do you love those two characters? Yes? From their comics appearances,
Speaker 2: from their movie appearances, and guess what it's all, it's
Speaker 2: all there. Are you a fan of the X movies
Speaker 2: in general. As spotty as that track record is, You're
Speaker 2: gonna like this, You're gonna love this stuff. Have you
Speaker 2: been invested in comic book movies from jump I'm talking
Speaker 2: about from the time this movement started several decades ago.
Speaker 2: You're gonna like this movie. Do you love surprises?
Speaker 1: Is that something that brings something to your Do.
Speaker 2: You go to the cinema to be like, I wanna
Speaker 2: be shocked? I want to be like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: What do you go to the movies specifically because you
Speaker 2: love those in theater moments where the whole audience has
Speaker 2: a reaction.
Speaker 1: You will enjoy this movie. There is many of those moments.
Speaker 1: If you are worried that everything that you've seen in
Speaker 1: the trailer is all the movie has to offer, that
Speaker 1: is not the case.
Speaker 2: Definitely nothing.
Speaker 1: I would say the trailer is representative the tone and
Speaker 1: vibe of the film, But when it comes to what
Speaker 1: is contained within the film and tho, yeah, you get
Speaker 1: a lot more of those surprising, shocking moments, those those
Speaker 1: kind of everybody gasps or everybody cheers moments. So if
Speaker 1: you go for that communal experience of cinema where everyone's
Speaker 1: laughing out loud, cheering, They're surprised, they're shocked. This is
Speaker 1: another one of those movies. I will also say I
Speaker 1: would just put it out there one more time. I know,
Speaker 1: especially in our discord, we have some people who are
Speaker 1: not Gore fans. This is the glorious supermovie you will
Speaker 1: ever see. So prepare yourself, Prepare your fans, Prepare your friends,
Speaker 1: Prepare your kids, whoever you're going to go and see
Speaker 1: it with. Just have that in mind. But it is
Speaker 1: a very comedic, looney tune style of Gore. But there
Speaker 1: are still definitely some moments where if I was like
Speaker 1: the ex when I was a kid, I was very existential.
Speaker 1: If there were a couple of moments where if I'd
Speaker 1: seen that when I was like ten, it would have
Speaker 1: like haunted me.
Speaker 2: There are at least two haunting, potentially haunting moments of Gore.
Speaker 2: And I would say further still, I think one of
Speaker 2: the criticisms, maybe of Wolverine's early appearances in the movies
Speaker 2: has been we don't really see him cut loose.
Speaker 1: Oh baby, you want to see Bizark.
Speaker 2: There's a reason for that, because what you would get
Speaker 2: as an R rated movie, you know, in terms of
Speaker 2: the violent content and and uh, that violent content would
Speaker 2: include how adamantium razor sharp adimantium a weaponry would affect
Speaker 2: the human body that is in this movie. You will
Speaker 2: get that. You will see that. And again it's more
Speaker 2: of like a Looney Tunes We're not you know, nobody's like,
Speaker 2: You're not like, oh no, that was horrific in what
Speaker 2: I've seen, the someone's life was extinguished in the most
Speaker 2: flesh shredding terrible. What you're not gonna feel. It is
Speaker 2: like a cartoon that said, visually you can see that.
Speaker 1: You're gonna see a lot of stuff. You know what.
Speaker 1: I will say as well, the biggest selling point to
Speaker 1: this movie that I wasn't necessarily expecting, which may sound silly,
Speaker 1: but you know what, it's not called versus, It's called
Speaker 1: and so I'm saying, if you've always dreamt of seeing
Speaker 1: Deadpool and Wolverine fighting on screen, this is the movie
Speaker 1: for you. It is the this is the movie for you, baby.
Speaker 2: And one last thing again, if you I think Rosie
Speaker 2: said it so well, do you see a lot of movies?
Speaker 2: Have you seen every comic book movie? Have you seen
Speaker 2: more movies than normal?
Speaker 1: Mm hmm?
Speaker 2: Is your lesson feel. Do you want to feel, for
Speaker 2: once in your life, that you're rewarded for that dedication.
Speaker 2: This movie will reward you. When I say fan service,
Speaker 2: it's less fan service and more fan real warding. Do
Speaker 2: you want to feel rewarded for being a fan?
Speaker 1: This does feel like a movie that was specifically Yes,
Speaker 1: for that purpose.
Speaker 2: This movie will reward will say, we appreciate. We know
Speaker 2: that you've seen all this stuff. We know that you've
Speaker 2: paid attention, We know that you know what goes on
Speaker 2: behind the scenes to make these movies. You're gonna be
Speaker 2: rewarded watching this movie because of that. And with that, Yes,
Speaker 2: we shall now proceed behind the curtain. Yes to the
Speaker 2: spoiler area oft and we are leaving all of you
Speaker 2: who have not yet seen Deadpool and Wolverine but wanted
Speaker 2: to know about it, leaving you behind that curtain as
Speaker 2: we proceed to the inner sanctum where all the gore
Speaker 2: and all the cameos will be discussed. Goodbye and for friends,
Speaker 2: and welcome everyone who has seen the film to the intersect.
Speaker 4: Yeah, here we are.
Speaker 2: We see dead Pull Wolverine.
Speaker 1: We don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think we need to recap the plot because plot.
Speaker 1: This movie is more like you're watching a ton of
Speaker 1: vignettes on like Mad TV, but that's all about Dead
Speaker 1: Pull and Wolverine. Yeah, it's lots of There's a lot
Speaker 1: of bits in this movie, guys.
Speaker 5: A lot of bits.
Speaker 2: Now here's the movie works for me on this level.
Speaker 2: It is a machine gu of jokes and and for
Speaker 2: me at least, I think every joke landed and was
Speaker 2: really funny.
Speaker 1: The jokes they do hit, and there are of them.
Speaker 2: There are a lot, a lot a lot of them.
Speaker 2: Now important thing to note, I saw this movie in
Speaker 2: fucking Burbank in a crowd that was like clearly extremely
Speaker 2: movie literate. Many people who work in the movie industry
Speaker 2: at some level, either in the marketing side, in production itself,
Speaker 2: or are kind of jobs. And so every random movie
Speaker 2: joke there's a Again, we're in the spoiler section, so
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you a last chance if you have
Speaker 2: proceeded to get the fuck out of here right now.
Speaker 2: At the end of this movie, there is a there
Speaker 2: is a Star Trek two. You know, the big climax
Speaker 2: of Star Trek to the emotional climaxes Spock is he
Speaker 2: goes into the Edgine room where he's I massively irradiated,
Speaker 2: and that he puts his hand on the window and
Speaker 2: says goodbye to Captain Kirket. It's heart wrenching. Yeah, there's
Speaker 2: a fucking reference to that as a diet at the
Speaker 2: end of the Yeah, there's a direct joke about that
Speaker 2: at the end of this movie. And Yeah, everybody in
Speaker 2: my theater got it. That's a forty two year old movie.
Speaker 2: I don't know when, like a forty year old movie,
Speaker 2: will that hit elsewhere in this country. I truly do
Speaker 2: not know, And my guess is going to be no,
Speaker 2: a lot of like the joke hit rate is going
Speaker 2: to be a lot lower. So in that sense, I
Speaker 2: do wonder how this will be regarded outside of this
Speaker 2: bubble that we are in. But at least the theater
Speaker 2: I was in laugh out loud for every joke, got
Speaker 2: every reference and was delighted, particularly at the skewering of
Speaker 2: like fai Y Marvel comic book movies in general, got
Speaker 2: all of those jokes.
Speaker 1: So I definitely agree with you. I am interested to
Speaker 1: see what the the wide range popularity of this movie is.
Speaker 1: So something that we always do when we're not going
Speaker 1: to the screenings or going to screens is we always
Speaker 1: watch the They live stream the premieres and they're really
Speaker 1: interesting to watch because you can kind of see the
Speaker 1: conversations the filmmakers are having. Right, so we live stream
Speaker 1: the premiere because it was in New York. It was
Speaker 1: on before we went to the screening, and I found
Speaker 1: it very interesting because they kept saying things like, this
Speaker 1: is a movie anyone can go and see. This is
Speaker 1: a movie where you don't need any homework. This is
Speaker 1: just like a fun movie. This is also a movie
Speaker 1: that doesn't exploit it's R rating. This is a movie
Speaker 1: that's about friendship. It's not really about Ryan Reynolds seeing
Speaker 1: the movie like this movie is. First of all, it
Speaker 1: opens with in my opinion, like I do think it
Speaker 1: peaks quite early because the opening credit sequence is absolutely fantastic,
Speaker 1: where they essentially say, how do you bring Logan back
Speaker 1: in a way that is respectful? And they go, you
Speaker 1: can't do it, So let's do the most disrespectful thing possible.
Speaker 1: Let's dig up his body and use his adamantium skeleton
Speaker 1: to kill a bunch of TVA agents.
Speaker 2: There's such a funny setup in joke where you open
Speaker 2: up he's digging. He's at the famous gravesite from the
Speaker 2: end of Logan, the Wooden X, still marking the spot.
Speaker 2: He's digging, digging, digging, digging, and there's this build up
Speaker 2: and then there's this tight shot of Deadpool. He's dug
Speaker 2: up the corpse and he says, well, Logan, unfortunately you
Speaker 2: are incredibly passed away, and then it goes well, yeah,
Speaker 2: because he thinks.
Speaker 1: He would regenerate, right, and he assumes he's still alive
Speaker 1: body yeah, And then he uses the skeleton to kill
Speaker 1: these TVA agents and as he's doing it, they do
Speaker 1: these kind of three D esque shots where the bones
Speaker 1: are coming towards you. It says Hugh Jackman on the
Speaker 1: skulls head. And I think that that is one of
Speaker 1: the best directed actually sequences we get in the film.
Speaker 1: And it's a really dynamic, outrageous this is what you get,
Speaker 1: Like it tells you what you're gonna get in the
Speaker 1: opening of the movie, and I think that is like
Speaker 1: a really fun, outrageous way to start. But as soon
Speaker 1: as that happened, I was like, Ryan Reynolds, you exploiting
Speaker 1: the R rated movie, Like there is a different era
Speaker 1: that we would live in that this would have been
Speaker 1: pushing an.
Speaker 2: X rated now not to mention like homework. I mean,
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, we're gonna talk about cameos. Now, let's
Speaker 2: talk about homework. If you have not seen elektra you're
Speaker 2: gonna be like what. If you have not seen the
Speaker 2: original Blade movie trilogy or move you know movie or trilogy,
Speaker 2: you're gonna be like what. There are gonna be people
Speaker 2: who are truly confused.
Speaker 1: Not even just if you don't understand that, if you
Speaker 1: don't know that there has been a ten year rumor
Speaker 1: and production hell version of Gambit that was gonna start
Speaker 1: chanting right you, then you will not you will be
Speaker 1: like what that was so funny? But I have to say,
Speaker 1: in my screening, which was in the Grove, it was
Speaker 1: it was a press screening, really, there was not that
Speaker 1: many people who understood why Gambit was.
Speaker 2: That people got it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've read people really back. Everyone in that screening
Speaker 1: had probably like written a treatment for that movie that
Speaker 1: never got made. But like in that way, I do
Speaker 1: think I don't know if they're overestimating the interest or
Speaker 1: comic book literacy or like the understanding that people.
Speaker 2: I mean, this movie is these movies.
Speaker 4: Like the joke buck.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the the action obviously you don't need the homework,
Speaker 2: and some of the gags, but I would say fifty
Speaker 2: to sixty percent of the jokes are like you know
Speaker 2: about comic book movies. You know what you know about movies,
Speaker 2: You know about the reporting that's gone on around movies,
Speaker 2: and therefore you will get this joke.
Speaker 1: I mean even to the point where, like I think
Speaker 1: one of the cameos that made people lose their ship
Speaker 1: the most in the screening I went to is like
Speaker 1: so basically the setup of the movie, even though you
Speaker 1: should have seen the movie, if you've listening to.
Speaker 6: This part, you've gotten get the you see this movie,
Speaker 6: but like, yeah, go back to the degment of work.
Speaker 1: Depo wants to save his world, which is gonna get
Speaker 1: erased by Tom from Succession because he's bored of waiting
Speaker 1: around for these lines carriage.
Speaker 2: I have to say put some respect on praise paradox.
Speaker 1: I love I love seeing him here. It's great. But
Speaker 1: I will say this is one of this is where
Speaker 1: one of my one of my first like wrinkles of
Speaker 1: this movie comes. I think it is a totally wasted
Speaker 1: opportunity and I don't understand why the meta conversation and
Speaker 1: the meta jokes don't extend to why they have to
Speaker 1: get rid of the Fox universe, like it needed to
Speaker 1: go that She Hulk level of saying like Kevin Faige's
Speaker 1: making us get rid of your universe because Disney doesn't
Speaker 1: need it anymore, like the idea that they just wanted
Speaker 1: to get rid of it because like it's anchor being
Speaker 1: is gone. And did a exposition. I was like, guys,
Speaker 1: this is a Deadpool movie. You can literally just say
Speaker 1: you have to get rid of it because of the MCU.
Speaker 2: I thought it was I thought it was appropriate. I
Speaker 2: thought the jokes were pointed but appropriately respectful. I think
Speaker 2: I will.
Speaker 1: Say I have to say I do think if I
Speaker 1: had a if I had a general critique of the movie,
Speaker 1: I think it's a bit too it's a bit too
Speaker 1: kind to Disney, which I understand is the nature of
Speaker 1: being owned by Disney. But I do think that the
Speaker 1: satire is imbalanced in that way where in something like Sheholk,
Speaker 1: we got the evil Robot, you know, Kevin and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, I feel like they could have leaned a
Speaker 1: bit more into the meta text.
Speaker 2: About I don't disagree, but I will say that I
Speaker 2: thought that they got more Kevin Figy slash Disney jokes
Speaker 2: through than I think anybody was expected. And you agree
Speaker 2: with you that that they were. They were kind of
Speaker 2: much more. They weren't really ever mean to Fox, but
Speaker 2: they were. They definitely went in.
Speaker 1: The idea is like Fox sucks and Disney's the way
Speaker 1: you want to be because it's the MCU and those
Speaker 1: are the kind of jokes you're gang, which honestly it's
Speaker 1: not untrue, like those are those are right, those are
Speaker 1: correct kind of like readings of the situation.
Speaker 2: But but I do think but I do think that
Speaker 2: they I do think that in terms of the Disney
Speaker 2: joke content, they went. Part of the fun that you
Speaker 2: will have watching this movie will be like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: I can't believe they let them do that. Like there's
Speaker 2: one where again, if you're here and you haven't seen
Speaker 2: this movie, get.
Speaker 1: The fuck out.
Speaker 2: But there's one where where Deadpool has you know, met
Speaker 2: up with all the shocking cameos by now you know
Speaker 2: it's Wesley Snipes, it's Blade.
Speaker 1: Which for me, Blade that was a gas Nobody knew
Speaker 1: that was happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and Deadpool says you know, Welcome to Disney.
Speaker 2: You're joining at a little bit of a low point. Yes,
Speaker 2: that was That was That was one where I was like, wow,
Speaker 2: I can't believe they let them put that one in there.
Speaker 2: That was a little bit.
Speaker 1: That was also I think I thought that was funny
Speaker 1: and that one got a big laugh, and it's like,
Speaker 1: I think that's where the movie is strongest, where it
Speaker 1: can be completely honest about the scope and scale of
Speaker 1: like where we are in these movies. But I mean
Speaker 1: going back to our thing about like, so they go
Speaker 1: their paradox is going to get rid of the universe
Speaker 1: because he's tired of waiting for it to die naturally.
Speaker 1: So Deadpool has to save the universe rather than kill
Speaker 1: the universe as we had predicted. Goes to this place
Speaker 1: called the Void where the TVA kind of sends unwanted things.
Speaker 1: I will say, very very clever narrative device to just
Speaker 1: be able to have any cameos you want. So this
Speaker 1: is how in the conversation you have to be to
Speaker 1: truly understand these movies. Chris Evans is in the movie Shocking,
Speaker 1: another Shocking one that was a mind blower, and this
Speaker 1: he is in the movie to suit a purpose that
Speaker 1: me and my friends at the comic book shop, Me
Speaker 1: and Jason, me and whoever have been talking about for
Speaker 1: no joke, like a decade.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: You see him, He's in this kind of nomad esque
Speaker 1: suare you see him? It's Captain America. He's gonna say
Speaker 1: Avengers Assemble, and then he says flame on and he
Speaker 1: flies up into the sky and it's actually Chris Evans
Speaker 1: playing Johnny Storm from The Fantastic Four. That is a
Speaker 1: joke and a riff that people have been making in
Speaker 1: these scenes for like almost a decade, right, And the
Speaker 1: show the movie is so in conversation with those people
Speaker 1: that that is the joke. And I think like that
Speaker 1: shows that this idea that you don't have to do
Speaker 1: homework to understand the movie, I just don't think it's true.
Speaker 1: And I do think they did sell it that way.
Speaker 1: But if you've done the homework and you are in
Speaker 1: those spaces, you're gonna be cheering about.
Speaker 2: I think that's part of the thing.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: You know, I do agree that like obviously you're your homework.
Speaker 2: The level of homework that you've done will increase your
Speaker 2: satisfaction seeing this movie. But I guess there's a way
Speaker 2: to frame that comment as like, you're a fan of
Speaker 2: this stuff, you love it anyway, so it's not technically homework.
Speaker 1: We the homework word is the homework wood is the
Speaker 1: way they other people pose it. I never see this.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: The TVA is. The TVA is a big part of
Speaker 2: this And there's a there's a point where Deadpool another
Speaker 2: makes a joke where, oh my god, you mean from
Speaker 2: season three, episode five or whatever, Yeah, and it's like
Speaker 2: there's a homework jerk right there.
Speaker 1: Okay, I will say, did you expect the TVA and
Speaker 1: Loki to be such a huge part of this movie? Like,
Speaker 1: not Loki the character, he's not in it, but Loki
Speaker 1: the TV show. I was surprised by how connected it
Speaker 1: was specifically to that series and kind of the TVA
Speaker 1: and the world of the TV.
Speaker 2: Slightly surprised how big a role they played, But again,
Speaker 2: I feel like it was quite celebratory. I'll tell you
Speaker 2: what I was surprised at. I'll tell you what surprised
Speaker 2: me is how how open ended they left the integration
Speaker 2: at the end of yes movie.
Speaker 1: I will say that's I think that's what Kevin fid
Speaker 1: I need to talk about.
Speaker 2: And the Marvel shot callers could either decide to integrate
Speaker 2: Deadpool and or never mentioned walk away from it and
Speaker 2: never mention it again. So I was a little I
Speaker 2: thought it was going to be a much tighter marriage,
Speaker 2: and it is quite not that I thought.
Speaker 1: I think that they've been selling it as kind of
Speaker 1: like a reset, you know, in this idea that Kevin
Speaker 1: Figy's we talked about this on one of our special
Speaker 1: episodes last week, but like he said, this is the
Speaker 1: mutant era, but it's not if he doesn't want it
Speaker 1: to be, because these characters exist in what we leave
Speaker 1: them in essentially a different earth. And I think that
Speaker 1: was another thing that for me, I was like, I
Speaker 1: feel like the meta text of this was missing a
Speaker 1: little bit of substance, because for me, I want to
Speaker 1: know how you end up in the MCU. I don't
Speaker 1: think for me, it's not enough to just say now
Speaker 1: you're in the MCU because you're in an MCU movie.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, you guys are still in a different universe.
Speaker 1: You clearly are in a different universe. And I definitely
Speaker 1: came away with that feeling of Kevin FIGI was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: do what you want, and if it makes a billion dollars,
Speaker 1: come on in, and if not, this is a nice
Speaker 1: fun like think, Okay. Something that I loved in this
Speaker 1: movie that I do want to talk about Emma Coryn
Speaker 1: as Cassandra and Nova. I thought she was so good.
Speaker 1: They represented her in such a scary way and in
Speaker 1: a movie that is constantly like NonStop barrage of gags
Speaker 1: and like sex jokes and comedy and even the the
Speaker 1: violence is very lunar tunes. When Emma corn is on
Speaker 1: that screen as Cassandra no Nova, she has this seriousness
Speaker 1: and gravitas and the way that they bring to life
Speaker 1: her powers is terrifying. There's nothing funny.
Speaker 2: About actually shituly scary.
Speaker 1: That shit is r rated scary and I just yeah,
Speaker 1: like horror movie level. Like I was so happy every
Speaker 1: time she was on the screen. I felt like she
Speaker 1: was so brilliant. I will also say that was the
Speaker 1: couple of jokes that didn't land for me that I get.
Speaker 1: I know they were trying to like satirize, but like
Speaker 1: when she's there, she comes out in one of Charles's
Speaker 1: wheelchairs and she stands up and then Deadpool's like ableism
Speaker 1: that won't go down well with the woke mob and
Speaker 1: I was like, is this a satire because that's something
Speaker 1: Wade Wilson would say that one. I was like, who
Speaker 1: threw that in there? Because I was like, let's be
Speaker 1: real MCU fans, we love that kind of inclusive shit,
Speaker 1: like that's why the movies have broadened their scope, you know.
Speaker 1: So those were the there was a couple of like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get canceled jokes and I was like, I
Speaker 1: feel like they were left in from like a five
Speaker 1: year ago version of the script.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those were like I will say that I think
Speaker 2: that generally speaking, you know, the idea of like we
Speaker 2: can be inclusive and also not take ourselves seriously is good.
Speaker 1: It's vibe said do you feel it?
Speaker 2: Did feel it a little bit like Okay, we get it,
Speaker 2: we get it. I ever got fully into the enough
Speaker 2: with the woke jokes, but I did feel as if
Speaker 2: like there were moments where I was like, oh there's
Speaker 2: another one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like okay, I was like, that's it
Speaker 1: just felt to me. I just felt a bit random.
Speaker 1: Because what I love about the way they've represented Deadpool
Speaker 1: in these past couple of movies is he is like
Speaker 1: this bastion for the weirdos and the freaks, and that
Speaker 1: has often meant that it's all different people who come
Speaker 1: towards him, and no one's saying, you want a Deadpool
Speaker 1: movie to be as the boomers would say, politically correct, right,
Speaker 1: like you've got blind Alan, She's talking about cocaine and
Speaker 1: vibrating and pegging, like you want all that in that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, there was a couple of times where I
Speaker 1: was like, this is weird. I was like, I feel
Speaker 1: like Deadpoole wouldn't be saying that stuff. But I was like,
Speaker 1: maybe that's the satirical aspect, because I do feel like
Speaker 1: this movie will it probably plays as a satire down
Speaker 1: a straight superhero's still question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like, yeah, me a great point.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like Airplane. It's like, yeah, plane of
Speaker 1: superhero movies.
Speaker 2: So one of the conversations we had actually we should
Speaker 2: just bring Yeah, let's bring that.
Speaker 1: Let's bring the people in, let's bring that. Let's bring
Speaker 1: the Marvel Council.
Speaker 2: I will say to just as they're as they're entering
Speaker 2: the inner sanctum of spoilers, super producer Joel.
Speaker 1: I'm saying super produced a common I want to know,
Speaker 1: because I know you you're seeing less of these movies,
Speaker 1: so I want to know how it played for you.
Speaker 2: I will say, you know, as they're coming in. One
Speaker 2: thing that I think this movie does really well is
Speaker 2: Jedi mind trick the audience into thinking that whatever your
Speaker 2: particular socio political leaning is, that they agree with you.
Speaker 2: Do you hate woke shit, You're gonna think this.
Speaker 1: Movie again exactly that to me.
Speaker 2: Then you're gonna do you believe in diversity, inclusion and
Speaker 2: believe the conversations around quote unquote wokeness is actually important.
Speaker 2: You're gonna think this movie agrees with you. And so
Speaker 2: I think that in that sense, that's actually an incredible
Speaker 2: feat for a movie that's all jokes.
Speaker 1: That's all jokes to me, like they were trying to
Speaker 1: do every side. And I will say another thing that
Speaker 1: I was like that. I will obviously be writing extensively
Speaker 1: about the I do. I will say there is some
Speaker 1: like I'm guessing I would say this was probably the
Speaker 1: zeb Wells influence, but I can't say that for sure.
Speaker 1: But obviously we know he's a comic book writer. I
Speaker 1: worked on all this.
Speaker 2: Zeb went over there and was working pretty hard on this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and zeb is like one of the named people
Speaker 1: behind the you know, who wrote the story, who wrote
Speaker 1: the screenplay. There was so much like comic book shit
Speaker 1: in this movie that you almost can't They're gonna some
Speaker 1: people are gonna try and do like every Easter Egg impossible,
Speaker 1: I would say as somebody who's had to write those
Speaker 1: pieces all made.
Speaker 2: It's all the entire plane out of Easter eggs.
Speaker 1: Like literally, like you can. You are in a situation
Speaker 1: where like there is a five minute Wolverine montage where
Speaker 1: they literally directly reference multiple covers.
Speaker 2: Do you remember Wolverine two fifty one, Wolverine on the Crucifix? Yeah,
Speaker 2: you will be like.
Speaker 1: Oh god, do you like do you like to see
Speaker 1: Mark Silvestri Wolverine?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 1: But to life? Do you remember an Uncanny X Men
Speaker 1: four fifty three by Greg Land where he's with a
Speaker 1: on his bike, Well, guess what you're gonna get that?
Speaker 1: And Insane cameo another one that I didn't see coming.
Speaker 1: So there is a lot of stuff like that. But
Speaker 1: let's bring in the Marvel councils here baby, Now a
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, Aaron, you you had a point about legacy that
Speaker 2: I think is interesting conversation. Let me raise your point,
Speaker 2: super deser.
Speaker 8: So I asked whether this movie would have a huge
Speaker 8: run of success early on and then in two three years,
Speaker 8: what we still care about it? In the same way,
Speaker 8: and in particular, I was like, what are we going
Speaker 8: to think about this in ten years if you watch this, Like,
Speaker 8: are the furiosa jokes gonna ring? Then obviously some of
Speaker 8: these comic book cameos that'll still hit and stuff. But
Speaker 8: like Ryan Reynolds, you know, referencing the proposal, Well, people
Speaker 8: remember that in twenty thirty.
Speaker 1: Wow, this stands.
Speaker 2: I think that's an interesting conversation. I think one jokes
Speaker 2: have an expiration date and they will age like that
Speaker 2: the Office thirty rocket. It doesn't matter what it is.
Speaker 2: If you go back after a period of time, the
Speaker 2: hit rate is just naturally gonna lower because of the
Speaker 2: way culture moves. So I think on a certain level,
Speaker 2: you're right in that some of these jokes two three, four,
Speaker 2: ten years from now just they're not gonna land or
Speaker 2: maybe we'll land on the wrong side of funny offensive.
Speaker 2: That a funny offensive marker line that said I was
Speaker 2: taught you kind of hinted at it Rosie. The airplane
Speaker 2: movies were a satire of the then in this late
Speaker 2: seven mid to late seventies, very very very popular disaster
Speaker 2: movie movement, you know, Towering Inferno, Attack of the Killer Bees,
Speaker 2: all this fucking shit. And right now today, you're much
Speaker 2: more likely if you're flipping, if you're somewhere where you're
Speaker 2: still flipping channels and Airplane is on, you're much more
Speaker 2: likely to be like, maybe I'll sit and watch ten
Speaker 2: minutes of this airplane movie than you would the Towering Inferno.
Speaker 2: So I do think that there's a world in which
Speaker 2: Deadpool does have legs years later, but I would imagine
Speaker 2: that it's gonna be potentially a much different audience than
Speaker 2: likes it right now.
Speaker 1: That's actually what I think. When Aaron brought this up,
Speaker 1: it kind of spoke to one of my things, which
Speaker 1: I think we could see kind of a splitting of
Speaker 1: the audience where I think that people who are really
Speaker 1: into the MCU and that's their main fandom, I think
Speaker 1: they'll probably love this movie. I don't know if it
Speaker 1: has a I don't know if it has huge legs right,
Speaker 1: but I do feel like in ten years, see things
Speaker 1: are gonna hate it, yeah, and I exactly, And I
Speaker 1: do feel like in ten years there's gonna be a
Speaker 1: whole crew of super cool kids who discover this movie,
Speaker 1: who love comics, who are gonna think it's like the
Speaker 1: ultimate cult movie. If in ten years we're not still
Speaker 1: in an MCU high point and this isn't still like
Speaker 1: the biggest blockbuster behemoth. But I do think, I actually
Speaker 1: think there's a version where age is well because of
Speaker 1: the amount of love for comic books that are in there.
Speaker 1: But I also feel like it has a very specific
Speaker 1: audience right now on release, and I don't know what
Speaker 1: that translates to, though I will say, think about the
Speaker 1: Venom movies, right those movies make so much money and
Speaker 1: are of a questionable quality, let's put it that way.
Speaker 1: But that's because there's there's a generation of people like
Speaker 1: us who grew up on Venom, right, Venom, this Venom
Speaker 1: basketball shirts, Venom on on every like lunchbox, Venom on
Speaker 1: the TV, and the spider Man cartoon. Wolverine does have
Speaker 1: that impact. So I do think that in itself is
Speaker 1: gonna be enough to keep the movie going for a wild.
Speaker 2: Age late middle aged men like fucking fighting for the
Speaker 2: Wolverine popcorn.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they were getting out the Wolverine pop.
Speaker 2: And like fucking crying in the movie. You know, Yeah
Speaker 2: that's true, Joelle, you didn't you did not like this movie.
Speaker 2: So your thoughts? What are some of your notes?
Speaker 9: I would like to caveat that. I laughed my ass
Speaker 9: full Disclaire. I was high as hell. I was like,
Speaker 9: I was like, I'm gonna go and see that. I
Speaker 9: was like, I'm gonna spoke a fat before I get.
Speaker 5: Into this theater. It's gonna be great. I cackled.
Speaker 9: I was so At one point my phone was like
Speaker 9: my I have a watch off, like it's too.
Speaker 5: Loud, and I was like, that's me laughing. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 5: Like I really really.
Speaker 9: Enjoyed watching the movie, had a good time. But to me,
Speaker 9: it doesn't work as a fight.
Speaker 1: It's a full movie.
Speaker 5: Yeah I don't.
Speaker 9: I I don't get a full and to me, okay,
Speaker 9: we're just starting the greatest.
Speaker 5: Don't feel that this movie had No, that's my least
Speaker 5: favorite part. Was so fucking stupid. Yeah, Like I really
Speaker 5: hated that.
Speaker 9: I was like this, I hate the song choice of
Speaker 9: Like is this a nineties graduation?
Speaker 4: What are we doing.
Speaker 5: I don't feel like this was a.
Speaker 9: Solid Wolverine and Deadpool film, right Like I thought this
Speaker 9: was a great or a pretty solid a dead Pool
Speaker 9: film that featured Wolverine. I needed him to have a
Speaker 9: fuller arc, yes, And the film even kind of calls
Speaker 9: it out at one point. They're like, oh, Deadpool's talking
Speaker 9: so too much, Like isn't it nice when he's quiet
Speaker 9: so we can focus on you, Wolverine. And they give
Speaker 9: Wolverine his space, but it doesn't quite feel like he's
Speaker 9: got the same emotional stakes. And maybe that's because he
Speaker 9: already lost everything. Maybe it's because he can't die and
Speaker 9: they're constantly trying to kill each other. I just think
Speaker 9: like the balance of this film is off. I was
Speaker 9: telling you guys earlier, like it feels like a Deadpool
Speaker 9: mini series, which can kind of be a great thing.
Speaker 9: It's like every fifteen minutes we're jumping into a new comic.
Speaker 9: Here are all of these great cameos.
Speaker 5: You do get the Hulk.
Speaker 9: That's amazing, Like, yeah, you get all these things you
Speaker 9: really really want, and yet you don't get the satisfaction
Speaker 9: of like, oh my god, this saved the world. There
Speaker 9: should be a relief when hero saved the world and
Speaker 9: I just felt that it was I never felt anyone
Speaker 9: any real danger, and therefore I couldn't get emotionally like
Speaker 9: into it.
Speaker 1: It is hard to have steaks, I will say that
Speaker 1: in a movie where two people are basically immortal. And
Speaker 1: I did feel like then this introduction of the idea
Speaker 1: of the time stripper and like suddenly the TVA just
Speaker 1: he's bored and he just wants to get rid of
Speaker 1: your universe. I was like, I need it to have
Speaker 1: higher stakes than that. Also, I will say, and this
Speaker 1: is gonna sound meaner than it means too, because it's
Speaker 1: not an insult in my mind. But I did at
Speaker 1: times feel like this would have been like a really
Speaker 1: good TV special, Like that was how it would have
Speaker 1: been VP TV special. Because there's so many jokes. I
Speaker 1: wanted to like pause stuff and explore it and like
Speaker 1: see but I didn't necessarily as a whole piece. I
Speaker 1: did come out of it thinking like if my mom,
Speaker 1: for example, someone who loved Logan, right, that's like one
Speaker 1: of her favorite movies, she couldn't go into this movie
Speaker 1: and enjoy it, and not because it's offensive, but just
Speaker 1: because she had a brain hemorrhage like fifteen years ago,
Speaker 1: and would be like, what the fuck is going on?
Speaker 1: Like it's so speedy.
Speaker 2: I think, Joelle, you put your finger on something important,
Speaker 2: which is if you want do you want story? You're
Speaker 2: not You're maybe not gonna love this movie because it's
Speaker 2: definitely it's quite clear from jump that like this is
Speaker 2: about getting the jokes off in the Easter Eggs, this
Speaker 2: is not about They do make gestures towards like emotional arcs,
Speaker 2: like but I would call them gestures bear gestures towards
Speaker 2: emotional life. There's no they're not trying to hit you
Speaker 2: with an emotional story that you're gonna be thinking about.
Speaker 2: That's gonna work in the way traditional movies and stories do.
Speaker 2: And that's which I think.
Speaker 1: Is Yeah, I think it's tough coming in the.
Speaker 9: Last trailer to be like an homage to to Logan
Speaker 9: all the things he did for the superhero genre in general.
Speaker 9: Like I thought this was going to be based off
Speaker 9: the last trailer. I was like, Oh, they're going to
Speaker 9: do like a really great sendoff to the Fox universe
Speaker 9: and it's going to be emotional and like almost like
Speaker 9: a film thank you for setting this up, which I
Speaker 9: thought it beautiful thinking about Kevin Figy's history with Fox
Speaker 9: and all this to your point earlier, Rosie, like you
Speaker 9: could have really worked in like Kevin Figgey's entire trajectory
Speaker 9: through Fox up into Marvel, Like there's a lot of
Speaker 9: story there and it just sort of fell flat and
Speaker 9: then final thing and then we can kick it to Carmen.
Speaker 5: But like the Deadpool Army was such a disappointment to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, what are you actually when you
Speaker 1: lost I think that was when it lost you, right,
Speaker 1: because we chatted after the movie.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what I kicked it. I checked out and.
Speaker 1: You were like you were kind of you were like vibing,
Speaker 1: you were laughing, and then that was the moment where
Speaker 1: I remember you said to me, like you just it
Speaker 1: wasn't That was where it lost you. Okay, Carmen, So
Speaker 1: you are not someone who has necessarily spent your time
Speaker 1: doing this homework, but you you can you can enjoy
Speaker 1: these movies like you've seen them. What was what was
Speaker 1: your take when you're walking into the screen and in Atlanta, Like,
Speaker 1: how did it feel to watch this movie and just
Speaker 1: kind of experience it like that?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 10: I mean I definitely went into the movie with just like,
Speaker 10: you know what, this is just gonna be a fun movie.
Speaker 2: And I have seen like.
Speaker 10: All of the all of the previous MCU movies, but
Speaker 10: I've only ever seen them in the theater. I never
Speaker 10: went back and like revisited them. It was like just
Speaker 10: kind of a one time event for me. I've also
Speaker 10: seen Loki season one in season two. Loved those, so
Speaker 10: I loved like the kind of tie ins to the TVA.
Speaker 10: But for me, I was mostly just kind of living
Speaker 10: for all of the needle drops.
Speaker 1: I know that that's like, no, it's true, they did
Speaker 1: go they went crazy with the needle drop. They did
Speaker 1: because like that's your favorite one.
Speaker 10: Oh well, I almost cried with the like a prayer.
Speaker 10: I mean they, I will say, the Deadpool movies, even
Speaker 10: though it's not my not my thing, they have found
Speaker 10: a way to capture my attention in the sense that
Speaker 10: all the trailers feature like a prayer, which I'm a
Speaker 10: huge Madonna fan, and the last Deadpool movie features an
Speaker 10: original song from Celine Dion and I'm a huge Celine
Speaker 10: Dion fan, so they have a way of like capturing
Speaker 10: my attention. So I definitely was living for I almost
Speaker 10: like cried when the like a prayer. But I hated
Speaker 10: the Deadpool Army thing because at at a few points
Speaker 10: I was looking out at, you know, all the people
Speaker 10: and it definitely felt like, uh, you know some bad
Speaker 10: like costplays, you know, like some of them felt like
Speaker 10: bad costplays and not quite and.
Speaker 1: I do think that was intentional, But did they wuck?
Speaker 1: Did it put something across that we needed? Like probably not?
Speaker 10: Yeah, And then again like the same critics I have,
Speaker 10: like the same criticism stuff, like it didn't really feel
Speaker 10: like there were mistakes. I was very unclear of like
Speaker 10: what Cassandra nova, what her motives were I think she did.
Speaker 10: I just kind of felt like she just wanted to
Speaker 10: stick her fingers and everything and just like fast, Yeah,
Speaker 10: I wasn't really sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that was again like there's your there's
Speaker 2: your gestures towards emotion, where it was like they tried
Speaker 2: to make Cassandra's thing. Uh, you know, wouldn't it be
Speaker 2: great if your brother acknowledged and loved you, like, is
Speaker 2: then a thing that you actually want? But that like
Speaker 2: didn't matter. Nobody cared. Nobody cares about that shit, nobody
Speaker 2: that didn't do anything for.
Speaker 1: Any No, didn't. It didn't capture me like what we Yeah,
Speaker 1: what were your feelings?
Speaker 7: I want to caveat my feelings with the fact that
Speaker 7: I kind of sit somewhere between Carmen and Joel with
Speaker 7: my attachment to the X Men and my knowledge of
Speaker 7: the X Men. I'm a big superhero movie person. I'm
Speaker 7: definitely you know, tuned in with geek culture and pop
Speaker 7: culture and so not. Maybe not quite as much as
Speaker 7: the Burbank people, but I got most of the references.
Speaker 7: I understood almost all of the jokes. Everything landed. I
Speaker 7: found it extremely funny. The Blade appearance. I actually gasped
Speaker 7: out out loud, and I swear the guy next to
Speaker 7: me like tried to hold my arm because it was like, Wow,
Speaker 7: that was Yeah, that was a wow moment. I genuinely
Speaker 7: was like giggling during the entire Chris Seven's bit with America.
Speaker 2: I really liked a.
Speaker 7: Lot of the human and I, you know, again, I
Speaker 7: agree with a lot of what's been said. The stakes
Speaker 7: didn't feel present, the emotional arcs, like there was this
Speaker 7: like trying to toy with Logan dealing with this trauma
Speaker 7: and having some sort of arc where he comes to
Speaker 7: accept who he is and what's made him who he
Speaker 7: is and what it means to be a hero, and
Speaker 7: none of that quite landed. Like there was that sort
Speaker 7: of awkward campfire conversation with X twenty thirty I for
Speaker 7: like two minutes.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: And you Yeah.
Speaker 7: For me, it just didn't go deep enough for me,
Speaker 7: Like she said some she said some of the right things,
Speaker 7: but then we learned that Logan just kind of like
Speaker 7: had do not Disturb on his phone and missed a phone,
Speaker 7: a really important phone call, and like that's the thing
Speaker 7: that's traumatizing him. And apparently there's some extra comic book
Speaker 7: lore there that I'm not aware of. All I know
Speaker 7: is what they said in the movie.
Speaker 8: And so for me, the thing that made it hit
Speaker 8: so hard is Daphne saying I got to live my
Speaker 8: life because of you. A lot of kids did. And
Speaker 8: that was like the most meta, like, hey, this is
Speaker 8: Daphne standing in for the audience, like this is all
Speaker 8: the kids who grew up with X Men movies and
Speaker 8: the nineties cartoon and the video game. I like that
Speaker 8: read so I loved that. I thought that was the
Speaker 8: most emotional point for sure.
Speaker 1: I love like, I really did for her being in
Speaker 1: the movie was a real high point for me. And
Speaker 1: I loved when she put on the sunglasses from Logan
Speaker 1: and that was like.
Speaker 2: That was that was really you know what I loved
Speaker 2: and I thought was fucking actually kind of awesome. It was,
Speaker 2: I mean, this is the best gambit on screen. Oh yes,
Speaker 2: that was like that was his powers. He was the
Speaker 2: card ship was was well done and really cool, like
Speaker 2: when he fans them and like goes from hand to
Speaker 2: hand it you I was just like, ship, like, get
Speaker 2: if you do game it like this on screen when
Speaker 2: you really like it'll be cool, it will work.
Speaker 1: Channing a funny the accent was so funny, too funny.
Speaker 2: Jokes about it. Yeah, right, and then when he when
Speaker 2: like when he springs into action, it was truly good,
Speaker 2: like it was actually awesome. And I was so surprised,
Speaker 2: like they.
Speaker 4: They gave you.
Speaker 2: The best version of Gibbet, Like his powers were awesome.
Speaker 2: It's costume. His costume looked great. I was so surprised.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think as well. I do think. I will
Speaker 1: say I do think that that sequence where they're in uh,
Speaker 1: Cassandra Nova's kind of you know, layer and you've got
Speaker 1: Jennifer Garnet Electra Wesley Snipes, Blade, Channing Tatum Gambit, daph Nickan.
Speaker 1: I actually did think that they did a good job.
Speaker 1: The action there was really solid. It was fun to
Speaker 1: see their powers. I will say though, one thing that
Speaker 1: did this to me was like one of the rare
Speaker 1: moments where I think they seemed kind of out of touch.
Speaker 1: Is like equating like the Channing Tatum gambit that never happened,
Speaker 1: so people had forgotten about it, Elektra. People have forgotten
Speaker 1: about it as much as I show them to bring
Speaker 1: Me to Life. Yeah, not not the gays. We haven't
Speaker 1: forgotten about it.
Speaker 2: Bring me to life, to.
Speaker 1: Bring me to life. Evanescence sequence lived strong with us yet.
Speaker 1: But say, I think equating that level of cultural like
Speaker 1: impact with Blade, I felt like that was a miss.
Speaker 1: Like when they kept when they kept saying okay, when
Speaker 1: they when they kept saying like, oh, you know, people
Speaker 1: have forgotten about them, I was like, no, they haven't.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I like, so impactful that you're still struggling
Speaker 1: to make another Blade movie.
Speaker 2: That's a great point. The first I mean, I love
Speaker 2: the Blade trilogy.
Speaker 1: That's incredible.
Speaker 2: The first two in particular are.
Speaker 1: Great, great, Yeah, unbelievable standard still wone.
Speaker 2: Action, the performances, direction, the whole fucking thing is great.
Speaker 2: Shouts the David. Shout the David as Gloria who wrote
Speaker 2: the Blade movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Also m del Toro, like just casually like directing
Speaker 1: the second Play movie. That to me, that was one
Speaker 1: of those moments where I was like, I feel like
Speaker 1: everything else you're doing here. The seeing Patch Wolverine is
Speaker 1: Patch seeing Wolverine on the crucifix like Age of Apocalypse Wolverine.
Speaker 1: You are speaking to the fandom. But in that moment
Speaker 1: where they were like, you know, these are the heroes
Speaker 1: that people have forgotten, I was like, guys, you that's
Speaker 1: not true. Really really great comes to Wesley Snipes.
Speaker 2: There's a really great joke as they're driving towards the
Speaker 2: gates of uh pim Falls a Layer, they're all saying, oh,
Speaker 2: there's like this version of that one and this version
Speaker 2: of that one, and then Wesley Snipes as Blade goes
Speaker 2: they'll never be another Blaze.
Speaker 1: There's only one Blade I have. Okay, so I did
Speaker 1: you know what one?
Speaker 5: I was like, what are you telling?
Speaker 3: There?
Speaker 1: Was I will also say like the one thing I
Speaker 1: was very impressed about when we talk about the jokes
Speaker 1: and and whether the jokes were last They actually obviously
Speaker 1: were writing jokes for this very close to when the
Speaker 1: movie came out. Because I did think that joke. I
Speaker 1: felt that joke felt really timely and it really hit,
Speaker 1: and I also felt like, I love. One of the
Speaker 1: moments that definitely gave me like a great bit of
Speaker 1: cathartic joy was the dead Evil joke when they're like
Speaker 1: dead Evil died and then she's like, I'm calling it.
Speaker 1: I love that. I was like, I was like, this
Speaker 1: woman has had to live through one the movie being
Speaker 1: maligned to seeing her husband like marry Jennifhi Lopez and
Speaker 1: make like a documentary about it. I'm like, I really
Speaker 1: am very happy that she got that like shady moment
Speaker 1: in that I thought that was.
Speaker 2: Like very relationships asked the relations the relationships between the
Speaker 2: general Benjamin. I always had his.
Speaker 1: Struggles, He's had his struggles, you know, his struggle. But
Speaker 1: I thought that was very funny joke. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: let's okay, so let's talk about Yeah, you go for it.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to say the one. I will say
Speaker 2: the one emotional, but I'm I'm a sucker for particular
Speaker 2: for things exactly like this. You mentioned the song choice
Speaker 2: of the montage.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that actually got me. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm as I got the Time.
Speaker 2: Of Your Life by Green Day, which is the classic,
Speaker 2: mind you know, one of the top five montage songs
Speaker 2: of all time up there with the End of the
Speaker 2: End of the Road by it. So they do that
Speaker 2: montage where it's everybody's you know, it's behind the scenes
Speaker 2: footage and screen test footage for Hugh, Ryan and everybody
Speaker 2: else who was cameoed in the movie.
Speaker 1: And they even had a bad Affleck bad evil moment.
Speaker 2: They had a Ben Affleck Daredevil moment. It was crazy
Speaker 2: seeing huge that young and Ryan Reynolds that we're talking about,
Speaker 2: Brian talking about like yeah, during X Men origins, Wolverine
Speaker 2: talking about like how much he wants to play this character,
Speaker 2: and I'll fucking admit it, it got me, to be.
Speaker 9: Honest, it really got me.
Speaker 1: I didn't get me.
Speaker 2: I was just thinking about, like, fuck, man, I've seen
Speaker 2: all of these movies. I remember the person I was
Speaker 2: when I was so stoked to see the original X
Speaker 2: Men movie, Like I fucking saw Electron tears. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: saw Blade in the movie theater. I it hit it
Speaker 2: really that one hit.
Speaker 1: I think, so, I agree, I was That's actually what
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask, was like, how did the end
Speaker 1: line look? I think the fact that they used the
Speaker 1: Greeney song is in itself a meta joke because we
Speaker 1: all know that's like you're somebody makes the thing. But
Speaker 1: seeing all those clips, ironically, Joelle, that to me was
Speaker 1: the moment where they encapsulated that feeling that I wanted
Speaker 1: the movie to have, where it was like, look at
Speaker 1: all the people who on this, look at how we
Speaker 1: look at all this work that's come into it. But
Speaker 1: I don't think that should have only been like five
Speaker 1: minutes of the film. I feel like there was a
Speaker 1: space where That's why it didn't hit for me. I
Speaker 1: think there was a space where that could have been built. Also,
Speaker 1: speaking of the uh like things that have come before,
Speaker 1: very weird to me that they didn't have a Blade
Speaker 1: Ryan Reynolds reference he was in this.
Speaker 8: They oh they did, Yeah, there was like there It
Speaker 8: was a lot of jokes in that moment, and especially
Speaker 8: with Channing Tatum doing the accent, this is like, that's true,
Speaker 8: we're laughing too much to hear all the jokes at
Speaker 8: that happened, but they do have a reference with Ryan
Speaker 8: Reynolds says something like or I think Ryan Reynolds says
Speaker 8: something like, it's good to see you again.
Speaker 2: And Blade is like, talk about it.
Speaker 5: He says, you never did. It's a line directly from
Speaker 5: the movie.
Speaker 1: Okay, so what is it?
Speaker 3: Ye?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's a line. He's like, I don't like you.
Speaker 5: He's like, you never.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I know what else as well? I will
Speaker 1: say I do think that that sums up something that's
Speaker 1: probably gonna be a much longer range measure of the success.
Speaker 1: This movie is going to have a high rewatchability factor
Speaker 1: simply just so you can get all the jokes and
Speaker 1: all the references.
Speaker 7: I was just gonna say, those YouTubers that do like
Speaker 7: one hundred easter eggs you missed, Like those four folks
Speaker 7: have their work.
Speaker 5: Getting ready right now.
Speaker 1: I was so relieved that was not part of my
Speaker 1: job this time. That used to be me and I,
Speaker 1: Me and Nick would be like Charlie from It's Always
Speaker 1: Sunny like with our boards, like making all the lists.
Speaker 1: But I was like, I can just vibe through this one.
Speaker 1: And I still caught a lot of stuff, because that's
Speaker 1: how my brain is wired. But yeah, I think the
Speaker 1: rewatch ability of like even those like you said, Jason,
Speaker 1: it's a machine gun is such an appropriate It's a
Speaker 1: constant barrage of jokes.
Speaker 2: You brought raised something really important, Rosie, which is the
Speaker 2: many gay jokes.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of gay joke.
Speaker 2: Deadpool is canonically gay. Yeah, he's he's joking. Yeah, he's
Speaker 2: a queer gentleman, and he's he's joking from a from
Speaker 2: a place of experience that said, I thought you you
Speaker 2: raised something important.
Speaker 1: I think that the question is, like, does the movie
Speaker 1: use the fact that Deadpool is gay, is like queer
Speaker 1: to make a lot of gay jokes, but he never
Speaker 1: actually like gets to be queer like you doesn't kiss
Speaker 1: a man even like you know, I remember the meme
Speaker 1: got shared before the movie came out, and it's that
Speaker 1: it's like getting queer baited by the MCU is like
Speaker 1: getting beaten at chess by a dog. And it's like,
Speaker 1: I do feel like this movie it did that same
Speaker 1: thing where if you look at all the marketing, there's
Speaker 1: all these like it's Deadpool's like hand on Wolverine's leg
Speaker 1: and they're in the heart shape together and they're and
Speaker 1: you know, there are jokes, even the popcorn bucket right
Speaker 1: very much. It plays very much into this idea of
Speaker 1: like there might be something between them, but they do
Speaker 1: not get into that. They they never there is never
Speaker 1: a hint of that. It's not like Deadpool Spider Man
Speaker 1: in the comics, where there very much is a sexual tension.
Speaker 1: Anything here is like, you know, Deadpool thinks that Wolverine
Speaker 1: is hot, but it's not. I don't know that they
Speaker 1: ever commit to it in a way that's other than
Speaker 1: just a joke.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that you're right, and I think that
Speaker 2: it's clearly also quite strategic. You know, I talked about
Speaker 2: obviously how this is a movie that feels like no
Speaker 2: matter what you come into it with with your political
Speaker 2: cultural biases, it will feel as if this movie agrees
Speaker 2: with you. And I think that this is one of
Speaker 2: those cases trying to have it both ways, and I think,
Speaker 2: to a certain extent successfully do have it both ways.
Speaker 2: But I think you're right to note that this is
Speaker 2: it's all jokes. No, there's no substantive Just let him
Speaker 2: kiss a guy.
Speaker 1: Yes, there's so many cameos here. Just let him kiss
Speaker 1: one guy.
Speaker 2: Another is it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, let him kiss another Deadpool dude. Even Venom did
Speaker 1: that weird thing where it was like he's making out
Speaker 1: with Lady Venom and it's like there's all these I mean,
Speaker 1: Deadpool is a I mean, Venom is a far more
Speaker 1: queerer franchise than Deadpool in what we actually get because
Speaker 1: the two of them are in love, right, Like it's
Speaker 1: very clear. It's like quite textual. Tom Hardy knows it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I do think in this movie they could
Speaker 1: have committed to it. And actually it's an R rated movie,
Speaker 1: Like what is the problem with showing a queer person
Speaker 1: if he is? If Deadpool's queer, what's the problem with
Speaker 1: showing him kiss another guy? Or or I will also
Speaker 1: say I also say the American market. I do truly
Speaker 1: believe that is also part of it, Like because also
Speaker 1: you can it's that classic thing. You can show Deadpool
Speaker 1: and Wolverine multiple times, like stabbing each other in the
Speaker 1: most brutal way possible. They're like stabbing each other in
Speaker 1: the guts, that pulling things out of each other. People's
Speaker 1: skins are getting ripped off. But you can't just show
Speaker 1: two men kissing. Yeah, I say that's a I say
Speaker 1: that's an issue.
Speaker 2: I think that it's less it's less the American market
Speaker 2: than it's the international market, which is increasingly important with
Speaker 2: the decoupling. I don't want to fucking talk like this,
Speaker 2: but like China like is playing less of a role
Speaker 2: in box office down that used to be the honeypot.
Speaker 2: Like you know, you put put a put an actor
Speaker 2: from China in the movie and then release it there
Speaker 2: and you're gonna watch you know, the bucks roll in.
Speaker 2: That doesn't exist anymore. It's a lot of parts of
Speaker 2: the world. There's a lot of parts of the world
Speaker 2: where stuff that works culturally here does not work. And
Speaker 2: I think this is the gay jokes is clearly a
Speaker 2: way where they can be like, hey, you care about
Speaker 2: diversity inclusion here in the United States, in you name
Speaker 2: the country, they don't feel that way way, but you know,
Speaker 2: joking about gainness word joking at Yeah. So I think
Speaker 2: that that's a part of I think that's part of
Speaker 2: the way that they can make sure that this movie
Speaker 2: can work in different markets.
Speaker 1: I think you've tapped into something very interesting on this
Speaker 1: almost like both sides of the movie, and I will
Speaker 1: be interested to see if that makes it hugely popular
Speaker 1: or if as sometimes when you try to go to both,
Speaker 1: you don't necessarily hit perfectly with either. I'm going to
Speaker 1: be very interested to see which way it goes. Now
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Speaker 1: Rather than making a statement, let me ask you, guys, like,
Speaker 1: how does it feel about like as as you? Does
Speaker 1: it feel like that massive reset that Kevin Faigie and
Speaker 1: everyone promised, because that was what I didn't get a
Speaker 1: feeling of when.
Speaker 9: It has that MCU been saved.
Speaker 5: Right, So.
Speaker 9: No, it hasn't been reset because we did not come
Speaker 9: back to our sacred timeline really bother like I we
Speaker 9: we we got Deadpool back to his apartment and with
Speaker 9: his people.
Speaker 2: That was lovely.
Speaker 9: Uh if y'all don't let him have his love in
Speaker 9: the next I just don't even please let that man
Speaker 9: have his life.
Speaker 5: I just need it.
Speaker 9: But I just but I think that because we don't
Speaker 9: go back to the sacred timeline and don't invest in
Speaker 9: and all we get we got a little bit of
Speaker 9: moments but are happy, it just doesn't feel connected. It
Speaker 9: still feels like if we never see Deadpool again, nothing
Speaker 9: will have changed in the MCU and it'll be fine,
Speaker 9: and because of that, it doesn't feel like a reset
Speaker 9: or an establishing. I felt more when the Marvels was like,
Speaker 9: here's beasts, and I was like, oh my god, like
Speaker 9: this is fundamentally changing what we're doing here, but didn't
Speaker 9: say the MCU, which is slightly different question.
Speaker 5: I save it's too strong a.
Speaker 9: Word, but I think this is gonna boots belief in
Speaker 9: the MCU that part.
Speaker 5: I really think that, especially for your.
Speaker 9: Average movie go for someone who's seen a ton of MCU,
Speaker 9: but maybe not every movie. Somebody who just is like, ooh,
Speaker 9: a new sci fi actions film, Gotta go see that.
Speaker 9: Those kind of people are gonna be very, very satisfied
Speaker 9: with this film.
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 9: I think for some of the diehard comic book fans,
Speaker 9: it's gonna leave a lot of questions. But I also
Speaker 9: don't think we're going and we don't have anywhere else
Speaker 9: to go. There's no other safe space for us to
Speaker 9: be like, this is where I can love my comic
Speaker 9: books on film, So.
Speaker 5: We're here until that happens. Mm hmm, what do you think?
Speaker 8: Ann So my real quick thing, FIGI was saying something
Speaker 8: I think in the run up to this film of
Speaker 8: if Infinity War was a nine and Endgame was a ten,
Speaker 8: for the changes to the Marvel universe, this is an eight.
Speaker 8: I think that's categorically not true. It's like a three.
Speaker 8: This is far closer to Far from Home than it
Speaker 8: is to Infinity War.
Speaker 2: And that's totally.
Speaker 8: Okay, Like it was a very fun movie to watch
Speaker 8: and like it was a ton of okay.
Speaker 1: Actually if i'm movie, yeah.
Speaker 8: And I don't think it saves anything. I don't think
Speaker 8: it truly did anything to bring mutants into the universe
Speaker 8: any Differently, I thought it was a great end to
Speaker 8: the Fox universe. So that's that's where my thoughts lie
Speaker 8: on the end of things.
Speaker 2: Aboo.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Aaron and I walked out of the theater and
Speaker 7: I was asking him questions like did I miss some
Speaker 7: lore thing? Were they set up the future of mutants
Speaker 7: and the MCU? Like you know more about X Men
Speaker 7: than I do. Was there some easter egg that I
Speaker 7: missed or went over my head? And the answer seemingly
Speaker 7: is no, there wasn't, and there there hasn't been any
Speaker 7: ground laid for the mutant's introduction into the MCU, which
Speaker 7: I think is a bit of fan expectation.
Speaker 4: Going into it.
Speaker 7: I think longtime fans have been like, Oh, here it comes, here,
Speaker 7: it's come. It's the next one, it's the next one.
Speaker 7: This one's gonna set it up. And I think some
Speaker 7: of that is also was hinted at or heavily implied
Speaker 7: by the folks behind the movie too. So I don't
Speaker 7: think it's the reset that the mc as a cinematic
Speaker 7: universe needed. But I do think this movie is gonna
Speaker 7: make a fuck ton of money, and that is going
Speaker 7: to be the financial pocketbook reset that the MCU baby
Speaker 7: is looking for.
Speaker 10: Car Oh, I actually don't really have a lot of
Speaker 10: thoughts on this that haven't already been said. I'm not
Speaker 10: a huge I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a funny movie.
Speaker 10: Do I think would you go see another one? I
Speaker 10: would definitely go see another Deadpool movie, and I would.
Speaker 10: I mean, I'm I love superhero movies in general. I
Speaker 10: think they're fun. I would go see them. But I'm
Speaker 10: probably I'm not so much the person that's gonna be like, yeah,
Speaker 10: I need to rewatch that at home.
Speaker 2: You know, it saves the MCU. I think that they
Speaker 2: need the hit. They need the hit as a short
Speaker 2: term news cycle, short to medium term news cycle like
Speaker 2: get off my back, Matt Bellanie on the town about
Speaker 2: about how like the MCU is flagging. I think this
Speaker 2: will get people off of their back as a hit.
Speaker 2: But to your point, Rosie and the conversation we had
Speaker 2: about like how surprised we were at like the lack
Speaker 2: of integration content wise and thematically, and Boo noted like
Speaker 2: this is not some big culture shift towards mutants. They
Speaker 2: can take or leave anything from this movie that they want.
Speaker 2: It does not affect Cannon quote unquote. They can be
Speaker 2: like that mattered or that didn't matter to a la carte,
Speaker 2: whatever they decide. So it'll be interesting to see going.
Speaker 8: Forward real quick before we end two minutes, what do
Speaker 8: we think of the wolverine mask in real life? Seeing
Speaker 8: it on screen?
Speaker 2: It was cool. It felt like it was falling down
Speaker 2: on his face. There was anybody else feeling found.
Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of the white for I love
Speaker 1: the visual for the wings, but I'm not a white
Speaker 1: eyes on a wolverine type of guy. I need to
Speaker 1: see his eyes.
Speaker 2: I liked it. I did feel like it was falling down.
Speaker 10: In that penultimate moment where they're like holding hands when
Speaker 10: I wish that.
Speaker 1: The mouse and the mask is still on.
Speaker 9: Yeah that was yeah, yeah, yeah, no shirt and this
Speaker 9: guy was in for two guys.
Speaker 1: I don't know any baby.
Speaker 9: I was like, I like the look.
Speaker 5: I love.
Speaker 9: The climax of this movie was Hugh Jackman taking a
Speaker 9: shirt off. I said, good for you, sir, good for you.
Speaker 5: You are old as hell.
Speaker 9: Not really, but he's older, and he's like, listen, the
Speaker 9: body is still bodying the body.
Speaker 5: I really appreciated it.
Speaker 1: Listen, the body continues the body. Baby, it's a Marvel
Speaker 1: it's the Marvel method. It's got a new meaning nowadays
Speaker 1: you can get would you like the mask?
Speaker 7: I have no emotional attachment to the mask. I thought,
Speaker 7: I thought it was cute.
Speaker 1: That is gonna be like you, I'm gonna have to
Speaker 1: listen to that over and over again, just like I
Speaker 1: have no emotional attachment to.
Speaker 2: The Graybeards who were fighting over the wolverine cornhead in
Speaker 2: the fucking lobby were like.
Speaker 3: Like there was a gut.
Speaker 1: Guttle. It was.
Speaker 2: When he the vestment that erin oboo Joel.
Speaker 1: Car, thank you much, the Marvel Council, and.
Speaker 2: That has been our our reaction to Dead pul Wolverine,
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening.
Speaker 1: Yes see you next time, See you, next time.
Speaker 4: Bye bye.
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