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Speaker 2: Look at this now, timpted Jesus, Oh you.

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Speaker 1: Will be.

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Speaker 4: It's time to band.

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Speaker 5: Oh you're feeling what I'm feeling.

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Speaker 2: Hey, whoa hey, how were you? Yeah? That's what it is.

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Speaker 5: Hey, it's Monday, February twenty fourth, twenty twenty five. You

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Speaker 5: just stumbled in upon the greatest combat show that they

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Speaker 5: ever put together. This is Morning Combat. I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 5: I'm wearing a scarf because it's either hot as balls.

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Speaker 2: Or colder than a witch's nipple in this place.

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Speaker 1: I prefer the titty tit.

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Speaker 6: Hey.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's Luke Thomas from Washington, DC.

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Speaker 1: I what's up?

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Speaker 2: I can't hear myself in my ereo in my ear hole.

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Speaker 2: I figured it out all right.

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Speaker 1: To get the side tone.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for helping me learn how to tie a scarf.

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Speaker 5: I didn't wear scarfs growing up. I didn't wear sunglasses either.

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Speaker 5: I was raised under power lines apparently. But we've got

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Speaker 5: a fantastic show for all you combat sports and flatulence

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Speaker 5: fans out there. You better believe that UFC seattle to

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Speaker 5: break down the last crescendo. Bev all better BF two

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Speaker 5: and quite possibly, or at least that's what they told

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Speaker 5: us the greatest fight card that ever was put together.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is the greatest.

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Speaker 5: Combat sports show that you've ever seen. LT sum up

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Speaker 7: To expect to you overstate the problem pretty good. I

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Speaker 7: you know what, here is a great demarcation line for

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Speaker 1: Yes, it is typically better for me to.

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Speaker 2: Walk in with a pink monster.

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Speaker 1: Uh no, Okay, I slept to the alarm this morning.

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Speaker 7: Normally I have such anxiety that I'm up around three

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Speaker 2: Anxiety for MK or life or or death. Anxiety for death.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, anxiety for my life falling apart and being you know,

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Speaker 7: just a disaster that I did not predict. Nevertheless, I

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Speaker 7: slept to the alarm, and that rarely happens. And I

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Speaker 7: slept to the alarm today, So feel pretty good about that.

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Speaker 5: Means we're gonna have a great show. Right, We're gonna

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Speaker 5: end it with some dms from Donks. We're gonna look

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh yeah, yeah, Now, I want to go home.

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, you can do something for us.

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Speaker 5: By the way, if you enjoy the show on the regular,

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Speaker 5: Please support what we're doing above and beyond the MK community.

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Speaker 5: This week on the Brian Campbell Experience, Lamott Roach Junior.

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Speaker 5: By the way, who's in that big one?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can catch up.

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Speaker 1: Talk to a while ago, a couple about a month

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Speaker 2: You talked him in between when the fight was rescheduled.

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Speaker 7: Right, that's right, So I actually do the interview and

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Speaker 7: then like days later they pushed it to which is

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Speaker 5: March first Saturday, So that'll be going down obviously PBC

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Speaker 5: on Prime Saturday when Roach, what is your innew going up?

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Speaker 2: that out. Also, we have a third member of the team.

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Speaker 5: He's a producer, director, bong enthusiast and he's from Long

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Speaker 5: Island and he's from the seed of an Australian.

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Speaker 1: His name is Luke no from the old Ballsacked Down.

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Speaker 2: Yea of the main card Minute. Hey bro, how are you.

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Speaker 7: I like how we're five minutes into the show when

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Speaker 7: we're talking about your father's testicle.

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Speaker 1: It was a couple of weeks I had on my show.

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Speaker 5: It certainly was the rematch in the Desert, the light

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Speaker 2: So Luke, let's let's talk about this.

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Speaker 1: It's a great question.

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Speaker 7: I think that there are going to be two things

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Speaker 7: first fight, the power punches went predominantly to better Beev.

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Speaker 2: Well, didn't he do what he said?

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Speaker 5: What did he say all week? I have to do more.

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Speaker 7: He just made him suffer from having to block, He

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Speaker 7: And then when you combine with a certain kind of

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Speaker 7: where he comes alive. Dude, that is I mean, I

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Speaker 7: don't Eddie Hearn was saying, it's the best performance he's

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Speaker 7: It's a little hard for me to say. But what

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Speaker 5: He almost had to be perfect, and he almost was

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Speaker 5: perfect because better bv As we know, the gas tank,

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Speaker 5: even at age forty is ridiculous, The power in both

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Speaker 5: is ridiculous. The fact that they could stand so close

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Speaker 5: each other. It's the It's the best form of high

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Speaker 5: however you had it right. I had Bevall seventy five

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Speaker 1: Also, we didn't mention this.

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Speaker 7: I mentioned him getting out of the corner, but like

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Speaker 7: second fight, there's much more time with Bival on the

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Speaker 7: ropes man. He treated it like it was in the

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Speaker 2: Itself was insane in this fight. This field level combined

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Speaker 1: We should say something.

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Speaker 7: To BC about this fight, which was it was kind

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Speaker 7: of funny because if you watched this fight but then

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Speaker 7: you took a break and then you went to UFC.

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Speaker 7: Different sports, different realities. Please don't misunderstand me. Different different

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Speaker 7: pay scales, everything's different. And I'm not even trying to

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Speaker 7: to say, though, is in this fight and then the

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Speaker 7: little boxing more in particular, but especially this fight, dude,

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Speaker 7: their defense was insane. How hard is it to land

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Speaker 7: clean on either guy? Now I know Bivell by the

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Speaker 7: end had a big swelling here and he was bleeding well.

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Speaker 5: He overcame a twelfth round from Better BEEV which was

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Speaker 5: like a championship last round performance.

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Speaker 1: That was after you know, thirty three minutes.

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Speaker 5: Right, Let's say he got the cut from that, but

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Speaker 5: really his face wasn't nearly as marked up as Better

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Speaker 5: BFS was outside of.

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Speaker 7: That cut, right, But also that's just accumulation, Like, was

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Speaker 7: what was your favorite punch? There was a couple that

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Speaker 1: Of this fight.

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Speaker 2: Oh, a lot of good buddy.

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Speaker 7: Honestly, if we're saying what was the best about this

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Speaker 7: fight to me, obviously the work rate of Bivoll, But

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Speaker 7: second to that was both of their defenses.

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Speaker 1: Both of their defenses were so hard for the other

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Speaker 5: Close range, at close range and high pace, Like you

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Speaker 5: have to realize the skill level involved in this fight.

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Speaker 2: It was ridiculous, Luke, I do have a question.

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Speaker 5: I preferred the first fight slightly, even with beav All

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Speaker 5: I felt there were more I felt like beav All

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Speaker 5: and I felt like that was a big surprise, and

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Speaker 5: there were you know, it felt a little more tense.

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Speaker 5: But everybody on Twitter thinks the second one was better.

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Speaker 5: Do you have a favorite between these twins here?

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Speaker 7: I probably liked the second one better, but not by much.

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Speaker 7: I think they're pretty close.

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Speaker 2: Okay, key strategic question here.

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Speaker 5: The theory in the first fight, even though better Beev

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Speaker 5: think he did, was he was coming like directly off

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Speaker 5: even though this was a short turnaround for a big

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Speaker 5: fight like this four months. Did he either let you

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Speaker 5: down Better Beev, did he get beat by a better guy,

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Speaker 5: or specifically when he dominated rounds four through six, did

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Speaker 5: he pour out too much of the jug in trying

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Speaker 5: stepping up at such an aggressive pace. If you remember,

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Speaker 5: Better Viv would rush back up on him, and he

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Speaker 2: In hindsight, was he going for the knockout? And did

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Speaker 7: I think I wonder about that. I mean the other

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Speaker 7: part too, is better beev his forty, Yes, he's forty

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Speaker 7: years ars old. I mean the fact that he looks

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Speaker 7: he does and by the way, as you mentioned, look

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Speaker 7: he had some difficulty, but he is forty. I tended

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Speaker 7: and obviously you take care of your body and you

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Speaker 7: don't drink and all that kind of stuff, Archer, Better

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Speaker 7: BV is what it looks like at forty if you

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Speaker 7: it is forty to me. Like the foot speed and

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Speaker 7: Bival was better, but this time he did a better

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Speaker 5: I agree overall, Bevoll with Outland according to Kompiabox seventy

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Speaker 5: to one to twenty one, he scored double figure lands

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Speaker 5: that twelfth round rally from Better beev And on average,

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Speaker 5: compared to the first fight, Bevall averaged eleven more punches

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Speaker 5: he looked like he was gonna succumb Bevall. At certain

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Speaker 7: Round five, I was like, I don't, Better Beev was

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Speaker 1: I don't know how this is gonna go.

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Speaker 7: Like it's better be gonna not only build him the

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Speaker 5: Well, look bev All, right now, thirty four years old,

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Speaker 5: has victories over a prime Canelo Alvarez division up from

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Speaker 5: Canelo's you know greatest, but and Artur better Vief. So

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Speaker 5: we are talking already about two living legends, two future

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Speaker 5: Hall of famers in this fight. But that resume just

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Speaker 5: And look, it meant so much to Bevall because he

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Speaker 5: and came up that that close.

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Speaker 2: We got him backstage here with his coach.

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Speaker 5: Let's check out this emotional scene when he returned to

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Speaker 5: the locker room. That's Gonadi Mashian off his trainer. You know,

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Speaker 5: I popped for these moments, Luke, that's just the tears

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Speaker 5: coming down. Hey, I didn't even know if Katie Bevall

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Speaker 5: did is a strange exuif I don't even if she

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Speaker 5: did a stream this time, one of those like remember.

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Speaker 2: Last time she did like live stream. But you know

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Speaker 2: you did hear him say afterwards?

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Speaker 5: He said, I've been going through a lot the last

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Speaker 2: Dmitri Bevall is one of the greatest fighters of this era,

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Speaker 2: so is Better beev But Luke, we got to talk

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Speaker 2: about the future here first.

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Speaker 5: I think we do have Bovoll responding backstage to the fight.

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Speaker 5: Let's just get his take on that.

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Speaker 4: Before first fight, I didn't like how I did. Second fight,

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Speaker 4: I like more. I feel I could more. I could

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Speaker 4: be better even than this one. I feel it, you know.

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Speaker 4: But I did enough for the victory today, and I'm happy.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much everybody who was watching this fight,

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Speaker 4: who was cheering for me, even who was cheering for

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Speaker 4: better Beef. He's a great fighter, and only you can

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Speaker 4: make history about yourself only if you have a great opponance.

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Speaker 4: Without good opponents, you cannot.

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Speaker 1: Prove people that you are good. You make sure, thank you.

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Speaker 2: That's one hundred. That's the Sugar Stevenson problem.

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Speaker 7: That's if every boxer had that attitude, it would be

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Speaker 7: a difference.

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Speaker 2: But he's right.

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Speaker 5: He was left to that performance because of the greatness

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Speaker 5: of Better Beef because of how great Bevall fought the

443
00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,160
Speaker 5: first fight and still came up empty, yet was able

444
00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,840
Speaker 5: to unlock another level of stamina, of drive, of everything

445
00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:13,080
Speaker 5: to do it. This was incredible. Now though it seems

446
00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,199
Speaker 5: like we've set the stage for a third fight. Turkey Alashik,

447
00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,359
Speaker 5: who of course was ringside and paid for this bout

448
00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:19,639
Speaker 5: and organized it, was walking around with three fingers parted

449
00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,440
Speaker 5: up to Better Beev interesting post fight interview where Better

450
00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,480
Speaker 5: Bev said, I didn't want the rematch, so now that

451
00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,400
Speaker 5: I lost, I might as well take this third fight.

452
00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,240
Speaker 2: But do I want it necessarily? He didn't sound like

453
00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:29,680
Speaker 2: he did.

454
00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:31,399
Speaker 5: I mean, he is forty years old at the end

455
00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,960
Speaker 5: of his career, but Bevall said he's into it.

456
00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,199
Speaker 2: But he really put out there. He said, look, I

457
00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:36,800
Speaker 2: need time off.

458
00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:38,840
Speaker 5: He said that the turnaround one hundred and twenty three

459
00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,040
Speaker 5: days now twenty four rounds against Better Beef, when no

460
00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,560
Speaker 5: one had gone the distance with Better Bev before that,

461
00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:44,960
Speaker 5: that's a lot of wear and Terry said he was

462
00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,880
Speaker 5: doing anti afflammatories every day in training camp, and there

463
00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:49,639
Speaker 5: was a lot of injury and illness, which I'm sure

464
00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:53,000
Speaker 5: both fighters are definitely going through. So will we see

465
00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,440
Speaker 5: this next? Should we see this next? How much time

466
00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,760
Speaker 5: off do you think they need? And let's also address this.

467
00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:01,680
Speaker 5: Four hours before the card, they went from a twenty

468
00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,320
Speaker 5: thousand seed arena Kingdom arena for this five thousand to

469
00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:05,199
Speaker 5: this makeshift.

470
00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:05,840
Speaker 2: I forgot that.

471
00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:07,640
Speaker 5: I think they're calling it Riodds's an arena or something

472
00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,840
Speaker 5: like that. It's got six thousand. It wasn't an Apex warehouse,

473
00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:12,960
Speaker 5: but it was not the hot It was not the

474
00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,520
Speaker 5: space to house the greatest fight card of all time

475
00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,720
Speaker 5: or this incredible rematch. There's already some big money maker

476
00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,520
Speaker 5: in Russia who's trying to bring that fight because either

477
00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,400
Speaker 5: to be of all born on Kyrgyzstan soil, but two

478
00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:24,400
Speaker 5: Russian fighters.

479
00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,320
Speaker 2: Where should the third fight be? When should it be

480
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:28,480
Speaker 2: and should it be next?

481
00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,480
Speaker 1: In your opinion, I think the third fight.

482
00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,320
Speaker 7: I mean, obviously I would love it in the United States,

483
00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,280
Speaker 7: but it doesn't really need to be there. I would say,

484
00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:36,600
Speaker 7: you know, if they wanted to put it in Russia,

485
00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,040
Speaker 7: that would be great, But if you're trying to maximize

486
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,000
Speaker 7: timing for it to be watched, you could put it

487
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,360
Speaker 7: in the Middle East again or somewhere in continental Europe.

488
00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,959
Speaker 7: I think continental Europe would be really an interesting opportunity.

489
00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,359
Speaker 5: But I mean, maybe this is a better question for

490
00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,200
Speaker 5: topic too, but like can they get away? Meaning Saudi

491
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,080
Speaker 5: Arabia putting out fight cards this big with that atmosphere

492
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:56,800
Speaker 5: that did feel dead?

493
00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:57,240
Speaker 1: It did.

494
00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,800
Speaker 7: I've seen people being like I thought the atmosphere was great. Guys,

495
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,399
Speaker 7: if you thought that atmosphere was great, you've only been

496
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,520
Speaker 7: watching fights for five minutes, like.

497
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:06,639
Speaker 2: I'm yeah, and those fights have been in the Apex.

498
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm not here to say that that that crowd

499
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:10,679
Speaker 7: was the worst I've ever seen, far from it, but

500
00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,359
Speaker 7: it was modest and kind of quiet at best.

501
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:15,240
Speaker 1: It was not good.

502
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 7: You want to put it in place where people can travel,

503
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,400
Speaker 7: where there's gonna be ruckus, Dude, you go. I mean, honestly,

504
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,480
Speaker 7: with the amount of Russians in New York City, dude,

505
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,679
Speaker 7: there there'd be more Russians in New York City than

506
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,399
Speaker 7: there would be in Saudi Arabia. Let me just say that,

507
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 7: very very clearly. And they wouldn't even have to travel

508
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,399
Speaker 7: all the ones that are here of or in you know,

509
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,119
Speaker 7: and in Sheep's Head Bay and all that kind of stuff.

510
00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 7: So you know when they should do it, though it

511
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 7: is a different question. I honestly think that should be

512
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,359
Speaker 7: third or probably even fourth quarter of this year. But

513
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,240
Speaker 7: to be honest, I don't even want to see that one.

514
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 7: I mean, yes, if they made a third one.

515
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:45,679
Speaker 2: Well I was gonna ask if we have fatigue here.

516
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 2: We saw two grave fights back to back. They looked

517
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:48,400
Speaker 2: a lot like.

518
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 1: You've got you have a new guy in this weight class.

519
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 7: Again, after the Vosdik fight, I wasn't exactly sure, but

520
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,680
Speaker 7: after the Morel fight, I'm very sure David Benavitez. All

521
00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 7: roads lead well, I mean, obviously a Bivol's a champ,

522
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,880
Speaker 7: but as a next fight to me, all roads lead

523
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 7: to David Benever, I.

524
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:06,639
Speaker 5: Have scenarios to pitch to you base off of that

525
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 5: okay number one. If they go forward, which it seems

526
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,160
Speaker 5: like Turkey's plan with a third fight with better bv

527
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 5: and Bevall at some point later this year, I would

528
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,160
Speaker 5: not hate to see David Benavitez stay at light heavyweight

529
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 5: and fight Callum Smith, who had a big win on

530
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 5: this undercard. And we can talk about that. How about

531
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:21,920
Speaker 5: this scenario that I threw out and people have loved

532
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:23,880
Speaker 5: and hated. I want to hear what Luke has to say.

533
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 5: Bevall Canelo two next and and Benavidez better bv next,

534
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 5: but only under the understanding and the contract signing that

535
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,160
Speaker 5: the winners would face off and the losers would face off.

536
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 2: People say, hey, you.

537
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 5: Don't want to reward Canelo for ducking, but you know

538
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,719
Speaker 5: Canelo wants this fight more than anything, the rematch with Bevall,

539
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 5: and now you've got all four titles at stake.

540
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 7: I dare look at me as closely as you can.

541
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 7: I dare someone to try and make the case Canelo

542
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:55,879
Speaker 7: can win three rounds.

543
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,679
Speaker 5: I'm not saying what he will he will win it.

544
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,200
Speaker 5: I'm saying, is that wash?

545
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 1: What are we talking about here?

546
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 7: He lost, He didn't get washed in the first fight,

547
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 7: but he lost convincingly.

548
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:07,400
Speaker 1: Bivell has only gotten better.

549
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 7: Canelo, to the best of my ability to assess, has

550
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:11,920
Speaker 7: probably somewhat degraded.

551
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 1: He'll get He'll get fucking really okay.

552
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 5: Quickly, I want to talk about that first Canelo bev

553
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 5: All fight, because we do say pretty regularly that he

554
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 5: got handled. The reality is he lost seven to five

555
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 5: on three score cards. But we don't believe that that

556
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 5: was the real score. He got a Canelo discount because

557
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 5: of his name. The reality is what he probably lost

558
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,199
Speaker 5: eight four, he go nine to three.

559
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 1: I thought I thought he won four rounds at most.

560
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 5: But I think what we're missing and a lot of

561
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 5: the Internet is missing when rehashing it, is it It

562
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 5: was actually competitive. Canelo made bev All miss like nobody

563
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 5: else has. And I know eventually that ropodope style caught

564
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:46,879
Speaker 5: up with Canelo and he took a beating in the

565
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,120
Speaker 5: second half. But I don't think it was a one

566
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,159
Speaker 5: sided beat down, even though I don't agree with.

567
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 1: The seven't think it was a great down.

568
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 2: It was a competitive fight. I don't think Canelo had

569
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 2: more time.

570
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 7: Somebody make the case that that that Canelo's chances will

571
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 7: improve with a second fight, Okay, that seems to me

572
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 7: completely ludicrous.

573
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 5: I didn't enter this studio today to be a Canelo

574
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 5: protector because he's duck in the shit out of David Benavitez.

575
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 5: Tell your friends, Okay, but that was during the stretch

576
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 5: where Canelo looked human and he had the left handed

577
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 5: wrist injury and he wasn't able to train at full speed.

578
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 2: So I do wonder if it could be different.

579
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 5: You don't like the second half of that equation I

580
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 5: pitched you because you know Canilo doesn't want to go

581
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 5: straight into Benavidez or or or.

582
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 2: Better be at Benavidez versus better be it.

583
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 1: I would take that fight. I would take that fight.

584
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 7: My interest in Canelo Bivol too is zero. Okay, that's

585
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 7: his negative eight billion. That's fair, lu, That's what it is.

586
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 2: What do we say about these two this rivalry?

587
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 5: I see historians who I respect a lot more than me,

588
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 5: like Cliff Rolled on Twitter, say that these two are

589
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 5: approaching Michael Spinks for the greatest resume in light heavyweight

590
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 5: history in boxing that you know, the winner of the

591
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 5: trilogy could could make some type of statement that they're

592
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 5: in that category. This was never going to be a

593
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 5: major commercial rivalry. These two don't have you know, they're

594
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 5: not household names in the United States under any degree.

595
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 5: But the greatness and for better be of especially late

596
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 5: in age, right now that they're showing they're all timers,

597
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 5: they're living legends in the flesh. These two are two

598
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,120
Speaker 5: of the greatest fires I've ever seen with my eyes

599
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 5: in active competition.

600
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 2: I think that's fair to say.

601
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 7: I think it's fair to say. And I also think

602
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 7: it's fair to say that there are some fights that

603
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 7: remain for them in these weight classes, in particular, as

604
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 7: you mentioned Benavidez or a third fight with each other,

605
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 7: Canelo about cruiserweight.

606
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 2: Bev All is talking about cruiserweight.

607
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 7: This So glad you mentioned that because to me, obviously,

608
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 7: with better bev at forty, I think we have to

609
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 7: have some he still looks pretty viable, but he's forty.

610
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 7: It's just hard to say how much longer he's got

611
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 7: sometime obviously, but not a ton, whereas Bival has if

612
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 7: he wants. It seems to me a significant amount of time.

613
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 7: And I do think, you know, if he fights Benavidez,

614
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 7: and I'm just gonna invent a scenario if he rinses Benavidez,

615
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 7: which I don't think that would happen that way, but

616
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 7: let's just say wins eight rounds to four.

617
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 1: Whatever. I think he should move up. I think he

618
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: should move up.

619
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 7: We put so much pressure on these little guys to

620
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 7: go from thirty to thirty five to forty to forty seven,

621
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 7: and this is very, very difficult to do. And then

622
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:07,959
Speaker 7: when we get to the heavier ones. We're like, well,

623
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 7: these guys can just camp out, and please don't mist

624
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 7: understand me. Even if they just camp out in this

625
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 7: weight class, they're still turning into the point that you

626
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 7: raised historically good resumes. But I think it's a little

627
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 7: bit we're gonna we're gonna ask the little guys to

628
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 7: do some jumping. We should ask the big guys to

629
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 7: maybe do some jumping as well. I think, especially for

630
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,199
Speaker 7: Dmitri Bivol, that's something he should be I.

631
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 2: Think his speed would be a problem for the for

632
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 2: the major Cruisewaightsjiopitiah seems to be the highest class cruiserweight

633
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 2: and that'd be a great fight and that'd probably be

634
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 2: the one they would angle toward.

635
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 5: Building should be'v all move up. But he's gonna be

636
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 5: able to outbox these guys, I would think.

637
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 7: I don't think any of those light heavy Excuse me,

638
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 7: those cruiserweights are dude who had light Excuse me. I

639
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 7: keep saying, like, have weight who at cruiserweight.

640
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: Is as skilled?

641
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 2: Nobody as Dmitri Bivol, Nobody.

642
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 7: Nobody, And there's some good fighters up there, there's some

643
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 7: good fighters up there.

644
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: There is nobody who is doing anything like that.

645
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 7: So the only question is how much does the size impact,

646
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 7: how much does the power punching impact, What does all

647
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 7: of that do?

648
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 1: But that to me raises the intrigue not minimizing.

649
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 2: Is there any chance, whether it be injury or change

650
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 2: of opinion or anything, that we're getting bev All Benavida's next,

651
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 2: and don't forget they have the sparring history with Benavide's

652
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 2: claiming without bragging, that I handled him.

653
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 7: So it certainly depends what kind of fight we get

654
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 7: next based on whether or not PBC wants to play ball.

655
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 2: That's it.

656
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 5: That because you and I talked off camera about that

657
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 5: Turkey live interview on the DESNE broadcast with Ali Oladipo,

658
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,479
Speaker 5: which I think was a very very awkward interview which was,

659
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 5: you know, over overplaying the greatest card play up.

660
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 2: But maybe they had to. I don't know, but I was.

661
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 2: I think the.

662
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 5: Biggest takeaway we have to have is Turkey looking into

663
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 5: the camera and saying, I want to make better, be better,

664
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 5: beev versus Benavidez. This was before Bevall one, so he

665
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 5: was saying it meaning if Bevall won, it would be

666
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 5: a trilogy. But if better BEV one it would be

667
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 5: two oh, So he'd move out from that rivalry, and

668
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 5: he looked at the camera and said, hey, man, let's go,

669
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 5: let's make the fight. So you know, there's not a

670
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 5: long history Luke of people challenging the Great lam In

671
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 5: in that regard.

672
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 2: Do you feel like this will make the PBC more

673
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 2: or less likely to do business? That's what I think.

674
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 5: That's the right question right now, because I wonder if

675
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 5: you loop in the fact that there was a PBC

676
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 5: fighter on this card, Carlos A Damas, and we'll get

677
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 5: into the circumstances of that fight, but a lot of

678
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 5: people think he got kind of robbed on the scorecards.

679
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 5: I wonder if that all plays into the future. PBC's

680
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 5: the only major promoter that's not all the way in.

681
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 5: It would seem right definitely like Rolie will be on

682
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 5: a ring card coming up. We've seen a couple guys

683
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 5: jump over. But I don't know if this means this

684
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 5: is the beginning or the ending based on that type

685
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 5: of comment.

686
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 7: Publicly, i'd be speaking totally out of turn here. I

687
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 7: have no idea what PBC would do, but I have

688
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 7: a feeling that you know, PBC letting guys like Carlos

689
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 7: Damas Moonlight or Roly Romero doesn't seem like a big

690
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 7: ask of them, but one of your most important headliners

691
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 7: and David Benavidez, surely PBC would want to control that.

692
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 7: And I don't know if Turkey wants to play ball

693
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 7: in that way. It seems like two different kinds of

694
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 7: entities that as it relates to someone like David Benavidez,

695
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 7: they all want to have it their way.

696
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 5: I and with Canelo moving out of the States for

697
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 5: three of his next four fights, right He's supposed to

698
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 5: be fighting Crawford this September in Vegas, possibly Allegiant Stadium,

699
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 5: I wonder if David Benavita's and PBC looks at that

700
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 5: as you're the new You're the new American Canalo, You're

701
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 5: the next successor in taking the two big dates in Vegas, Right, Yeah, that.

702
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,959
Speaker 7: Was someone has to cater to the Mexican fans. And

703
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 7: if if literally if Canelo is going to punt, I

704
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 7: mean someone, someone's gonna run that one back.

705
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 5: I wonder if we see you and I'm just speculating

706
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 5: as a boxing fan, but if we saw PBC still

707
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 5: run that maythor date in Vegas, maybe with Benavidez and

708
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 5: Pitbull on that card.

709
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: That's interesting that to me, That to me would signal

710
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: a lot.

711
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 2: That would be interesting. But what a performance from Bevault.

712
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 2: What a fight. But let's transition out way.

713
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 7: We didn't say better be performed well too? Oh hell yeah,

714
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 7: Obviously he didn't perform as well relative to the first fight.

715
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 7: And even then, I think even if you thought he

716
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 7: won the first fight, this was not that. Yes, But dude, I.

717
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: Mean, Bival had to fucking work.

718
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 7: He had to work. There's so many times. Watch how

719
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 7: many times you just see stuff bouncing off of the gloves,

720
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 7: I mean, and then to be right on top of

721
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 7: him and then catching all that stuff. If you listen,

722
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 7: I've barely trained, But if you've trained even a little bit,

723
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 7: you know how insanely, insanely difficult it is to move

724
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 7: into an opponent and they're, by the way, an accurate puncher,

725
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 7: and you have to catch everything and then throw it.

726
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 2: He's a brilli hard better be a brilliant boxer.

727
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 5: For a guy whose reputation was I knock out everybody

728
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 5: that gets in the ring with me, I mean, it's

729
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 5: just crazy.

730
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 2: He's had an injury played career.

731
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 5: He didn't get into the pros until late after a

732
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 5: big amateur career, but he's maximized the time.

733
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 2: He's a great fighter. He did have his first loss.

734
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 2: Are you okay with him?

735
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 5: When Beevall tried to extend the handshake in the middle

736
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 5: of the ring after the fight and Beneveta or better

737
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 5: be said no, no, no, let's wait till.

738
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 2: After the third fight.

739
00:30:58,760 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't care about that stuff.

740
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 2: That's fair. That's fair. Let's go into topic and number two.

741
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 7: And say you want to smoke meth with Hitler, I

742
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 7: mean or Norey want to go fishing with paper.

743
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 2: So yes, that's that's aggressively awful.

744
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 5: But we'll talk about gn Silva about that Lord Silver

745
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 5: pretty soon on that topic. Number two, though, is focusing

746
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 5: on the rest of this supercard and look in totality,

747
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 5: well done, Turkey.

748
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 2: This was a big event.

749
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 5: Outside of some bad pacing off the start, it began

750
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 5: to pace itself quick. Obviously, a fights are going to

751
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 5: be hit or miss. You can't control that. But I

752
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 5: want to see what Luke Thomas feels about whether the

753
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 5: fight Card of the Century lived up to the pre

754
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 5: fight expectations. These were the biggest pre fight expectations we've

755
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 5: ever seen.

756
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: It was literally called the greatest fight card of the century. So, Luke,

757
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 2: even with the late changes to two of the seven fights,

758
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 2: even with the change in venue forty eight or twenty

759
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 2: four hours before, how would you give a letter grade

760
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 2: to the Last Crescendo pay per view? In totality when

761
00:31:55,600 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 2: we take into account match quality, pacing, entertainment, the broadcast, everything,

762
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 2: the crowd, everything that goes into it, how do we

763
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 2: grade coming out of the Last Crescendo?

764
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 7: I think B plus A minus is probably somewhere around there.

765
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 7: Let's talk about the good. First of all, the pacing.

766
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: Fuck.

767
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 2: They made an improvement no post fight interviews for this fight.

768
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: They made a huge, huge improvement on post fight.

769
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 5: They waited an hour, though be fair, For an hour

770
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 5: they talked in circles and then had a two or

771
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 5: zero guy face a guy who was four forty four

772
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 5: and three.

773
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 7: I mean early they were playing more fu fuck games.

774
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 7: But as the card moved along, they moved along. I

775
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 7: just don't It's listen, we.

776
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: Can kill them for a lot of things, you cannot

777
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: kill them for pacing.

778
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 2: On it was it was wonderful.

779
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 7: It was so much better when they and by the way,

780
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 7: you know how they put out times ahead of time, Hey,

781
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 7: each dude, they were ahead of schedule doing that. I

782
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 7: mean that was very, very impressive by them. So that

783
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 7: was great. Second of all, I still don't think the

784
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 7: crowd was good at all, but moving it from a

785
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 7: bigger venue to a smaller venue certainly maximized whatever you

786
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 7: were gonna get from that crowd. That was a good decision,

787
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 7: So there's that. I also think I liked some of

788
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 7: the way the production elements looked at like the ring

789
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 7: and the lights.

790
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: I do too. Yes, I thought it was.

791
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 7: Interesting they had the ring, the roundtimer on the ring post.

792
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 7: Did you see that they did? And they did a

793
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 7: much bigger platform for the ring to the apron. Yes,

794
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 7: So I thought all of that looked cool. They were

795
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 7: trying to advance it. The big the big screen and

796
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 7: the walkout. All of that was great.

797
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 2: The celebrities and attendance.

798
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 5: It's pretty great to see AJ and Usick laughing it

799
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 5: and mucking it up at rings.

800
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 7: I'd like to feel like it didn't feel like you know,

801
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 7: I remember for the first time when we saw Anthony

802
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,959
Speaker 7: Joshua fight in the rematch Andy Ruiz.

803
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: But it was the Battle of the Dunes.

804
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,959
Speaker 7: Yes, And there were celebrities left and right for that one.

805
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,479
Speaker 7: It seemed like a star studded affair. This one seemed

806
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 7: very apexy, relatively speaking. Now, listen, main event delivered, comin

807
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 7: event didn't need to happen. I appreciate that they tried.

808
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 5: Let's get much out of it, let's get right, let's

809
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 5: stay with the comin event.

810
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 2: So Joseph Parker, who was originally going.

811
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 5: To challenge the IBF champion Daniel Dubois du was falls

812
00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 5: ill like forty eight hours before. But Cooley Martin Bacoley

813
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 5: is in the Congo, his home country. He's three hundred

814
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 5: and fifteen pounds. He wasn't in camp even though he's

815
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 5: got a fight with Faa Jagba schedule for May in

816
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 5: Times Square and Turkey said that fight's still going to happen.

817
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 5: And he had to take so many flights that he

818
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 5: didn't get in until two thirty am the night before

819
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 5: the fight Friday night.

820
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:23,439
Speaker 2: And you can't say negative about anything about Joseph Parker.

821
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 5: He's under your career resurgence at the moment, and he

822
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:27,720
Speaker 5: went in there and in two rounds.

823
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 2: I mean, it was a kind of a weird sequence.

824
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 5: He lands a big right hand of Bacoley kind of

825
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 5: shakes his head and laughs at it, and then it's

826
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 5: a grazing follow up right hand that gets him in

827
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 5: the temple.

828
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 2: It's a delayed reaction. You see a humpty dumpty falling,

829
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 2: but then the corner jumps right up and throws in

830
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 2: the towel.

831
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 5: There's reports that Paccoli was paid four million to get

832
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 5: on the plane and do this, and it was obvious

833
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 5: that his corner, knowing he didn't even train for the fight,

834
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,439
Speaker 5: We're basically like, Okay, we saw him get hurt, that's enough.

835
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 2: Should the fight have happened? No, I mean, you didn't

836
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 2: need the fight.

837
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 5: The fight card was so loaded that if you just

838
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 5: had the main event, the Orchies Madromov fight, and one

839
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 5: or two others, you're still looking at one of the

840
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:06,720
Speaker 5: greatest boxing pay per view cards.

841
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 7: Of all Time's fine, here's my problem with that. And

842
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 7: we talked about it to open the show with Long

843
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 7: Island Luke, which is something interesting happened last week during

844
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 7: Fight Week BC, and I'm sure you picked up on

845
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 7: this all of the marketing around the event was less

846
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 7: about the rematch in the main event and it was

847
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 7: more about the card itself. Yes, there was all of

848
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 7: this pushing of look it's the biggest card. Look at

849
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,760
Speaker 7: how great this card is. Let's compare historical Don King cards.

850
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 7: And again, even with those comparisons, it does compare favorably

851
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 7: across eras so to by no means a bad card

852
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 7: a very very good card. But I'm just saying all

853
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 7: of the promotional focus was centered on making sure that

854
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 7: messaging got out to the broader public, and even during

855
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 7: the broadcast you heard that as well. What's interesting to

856
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 7: me is when they replace these guys and they talk

857
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 7: about the fight card, Turkey is taking a lesson from

858
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 7: the Ultimate Fighting Chainampionship. That is what is happening here.

859
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 7: They want to be able to show like obviously, Saudi

860
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 7: wealth makes it possible to just call up Martin Baccoley,

861
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 7: pay him four million, fly him out last minute and

862
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 7: do it.

863
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: They can do it.

864
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,280
Speaker 5: Or call up Josh Padley who fought shir Ker Stevenson

865
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 5: on five days notice or four and buy him a house.

866
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 2: That was literally what they did.

867
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: For him, although he was in better shape I mean, he's.

868
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 2: Sure, but I'm saying like they're literally going to those lengths.

869
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: So okay, but people think it's just Saudi wealth, but

870
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: it's not.

871
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 7: The expectation to be able to pull that off was

872
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 7: set by the Ultimate Fighting Championship, who Turkey obviously has

873
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 7: a close relationship with as well. And so what I'm

874
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 7: trying to bring up to is, to me, this entire

875
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 7: focus on how great is the card, How great is

876
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 7: the card, how great is the card. It's not an

877
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 7: irrelevant concerned by any stretch of the imagination, but the

878
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 7: over emphasis relative to even the main event, to me,

879
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 7: is a misapplication of how we should be looking at things,

880
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 7: which is a function of taking practices from MMA. And

881
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 7: this is the last thing I want to say about it,

882
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,919
Speaker 7: to the point that Long Island Luke raised earlier, it's

883
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 7: not even clear that those practices in MMA yield better

884
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 7: returns anyway. So the point I'm trying to make is

885
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 7: when people talk about a great fight card, it's a

886
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 7: totally relevant way to ask a question, But the real

887
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:10,959
Speaker 7: way to ask it is what was the main event

888
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 7: and did that deliver? That's still always going to be

889
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 7: the primary area of concern.

890
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 2: I'll agree with that, and I don't think you're great

891
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 2: as bad. I still think you can.

892
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 5: You can score the whole thing in a minus because

893
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 5: it had a gluttony of entertaining fights. It was paced well,

894
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 5: and there were stretches of just like those first three

895
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,919
Speaker 5: important fights starting with the Calum Smith Joshua Guatzi fight.

896
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 2: I mean, it just kept escalating.

897
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 5: They were exciting, they were all kind of had different

898
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 5: storylines to them. So all in all, like I'm here

899
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,720
Speaker 5: like everybody else to praise Turkey, like this was awesome,

900
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 5: this was a gift to boxing, But I do think

901
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 5: there's limits to that praising slash glazing, Luke, Like, what

902
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 5: Turkey's doing for the sport is huge and amazing, and

903
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 5: we're getting huge events in such a disjointed sport as

904
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 5: finding some forms of organization right now, But like the

905
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 5: on screen glazing is it's a negative, it's a turnoff.

906
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: How do we deal with that loop?

907
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 5: I mean, like it's like this man's taking his nation's

908
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 5: huge wealth and entertainment fund and they have a specific

909
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 5: goal of using boxing to put forth their message and.

910
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 2: It's working and there's a lot to love about it.

911
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 5: But there's this glazing of like Santa Claus slash Jesus

912
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 5: slash you know, insert whatever name whatever deity you want of,

913
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 5: like thank you for saving everything, And isn't this the

914
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 5: greatest thing everyone's ever seen? They could just tone that

915
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 5: down and it can be more about the fights. I

916
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 5: think that's a better force.

917
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 7: Listen, everyone in combat sports, and in particular boxing, will

918
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 7: sell their buttthole to the highest dibidder I've never seen.

919
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 7: You could walk into a home filled with prostitutes and

920
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 7: you won't find as many whorees as you will in

921
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 7: the sport of boxing.

922
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 2: Hold on, Wow, well you're right, you're right.

923
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 7: The sport of boxing, will will has revealed that the

924
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 7: vast majority of the people inside of it are absolute

925
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 7: money grubbing, avarice motivated woes, whores.

926
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 5: And by the way, that was true when the sport

927
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 5: was disorganized last twenty five years, and it's true now.

928
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

929
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 7: I mean, no, no, no, they're just cashing in on better

930
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,280
Speaker 7: opportunities to be a whore now, But they've always been whores.

931
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 7: What I think about it is it's just fucking insane.

932
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 7: I Mean, we get to these things where like the

933
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 7: hero worship of people in this sport. And by the way,

934
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 7: it's not even organic. This is primed on the pump

935
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 7: hero worship, where you know, if you have a broadcast

936
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 7: deal with whoever's showing your fight, they're expected to show

937
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 7: who you are if you're Turkey. And he has interviews

938
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 7: and again Ring Magazine is just pumping out pro Turkey

939
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 7: stuff left and right. It's this, it's this cult of

940
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 7: personality around him. And again someone asked me, like, how

941
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:37,760
Speaker 7: do you feel about the Saudi's being in the sport?

942
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 7: And this is the reality b see, and I think

943
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 7: you would agree it's not one thing or the other.

944
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 7: Do I have concerns about monopolization, sure, Do I have

945
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 7: concerns about doing business with the theocratic dictatorship, Yes, of course. However,

946
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 7: if I'm just asked, are these good relevant fights that

947
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 7: they're making at a greater clip than would ordinarily be made,

948
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 7: there's no argument that's.

949
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 5: And I do think he's elevating the sport by by

950
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 5: making it seem more glamorous, the Ring Gala the like,

951
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 5: when you like those events feel outside of the small

952
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 5: arena which we had a gripe with, they feel royal,

953
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 5: they feel like you know what I mean, Like we

954
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 5: have boxing hasn't felt that in a while.

955
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 2: I'm all for that.

956
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 5: I just think we've got to draw a limit in

957
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 5: like show have a level of shame in front of

958
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 5: us because it's getting very.

959
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 7: It's in boxing right now between people who have microphones.

960
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 7: It's an absolute bick sucking competition. It's gross. It's gross,

961
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 7: but yet it's great for the sport. Well, the the out,

962
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 7: the payout is great, but it's great. I think gratitude

963
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 7: for good fights is always well placed. Yes, stop there, yes,

964
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 7: stop there.

965
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 2: Thank you very much.

966
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 5: Uh, let's let's continue on the theme of the replacement

967
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 5: shaker Stevenson goes in there not against Floyd Schofield. That's

968
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 5: a whole soap opera to itself, and I don't even

969
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 5: think it's resolved and no one even knows really if

970
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 5: the scofield a.

971
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 2: Question the fight, yeah, go ahead.

972
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 7: The Schoolfield team was saying, well, we're going to be

973
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 7: free agents outside of Golden Boy. Is Golden Boy kind

974
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 7: of criticized that Golden Boy did what's the story? Theirs

975
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 7: they are Floyd is a Golden Boy guy, He's a.

976
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 2: Golden Boy fighter.

977
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 5: But this was them probably basically being like, well, if

978
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 5: you're going to say this about us, then we'll let

979
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:11,919
Speaker 5: the Lord the world.

980
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 2: No, we're close to the end of our deal.

981
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 7: At the presser Oscar who did he apologize to Turkey

982
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 7: chakor maybe maybe Shukur something like that, And I guess

983
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 7: those guys felt really disrespectful.

984
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 2: Me love that nobody knows about them at the end

985
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 2: of the day.

986
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 5: If he ducked because they got close to the fight

987
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 5: and realized they didn't want it, or if some shenanigans

988
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 5: happened with did he get drugged or maybe he just

989
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 5: had a bad way cut. There's a lot of potential

990
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 5: options either way. I think, like we talked about Dubai

991
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 5: getting sick helped it. Even though I'm gonna say, and

992
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:43,280
Speaker 5: Twitter's obviously full of anything negative you can find. Twitter

993
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 5: believes that Dubois pulled out of this fight once he

994
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 5: realized that Dusik wants to have the rematch next and

995
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 5: that saw he's going to go forward with the Dubois right,

996
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 5: But like that fight would make sense anyway, and I'd

997
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 5: rather have that fight than let's say, run back Parker Dubois,

998
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 5: even though like you know, do anything wrong.

999
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 2: So again with the Schofield thing.

1000
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 5: I don't really know what happened, but I get wanting

1001
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 5: to leave, leave Shakur on the card.

1002
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 2: I get, you know he put in the training camp.

1003
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 2: He's not going to gain much by just not fighting.

1004
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 5: But Luke, did we learn anything from the Josh Padley fight?

1005
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 5: Outside of people will definitely find more ways to hate Chikor.

1006
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 5: And it's not like I don't get their criticism or

1007
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 5: their dislike of Shakur, but I'm just I guess I'm

1008
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 5: come to the terms with You're only going to see

1009
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 5: the best of this guy against the very best, and

1010
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 5: I know that he hasn't always made the right choices

1011
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 5: to help him get the very best in the ring.

1012
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 5: Or You can criticize him, sure for the arena's booing him,

1013
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 5: but you know what I think of his talent. We

1014
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 5: got to get a tank fight, and we like, we

1015
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 5: got to figure out business how to make that fight

1016
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 5: happen because this division needs it, the sport needs it.

1017
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 5: Both fighters I think need it. Chaquor really needs it.

1018
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 5: It looked like he heard his left hand. It looked

1019
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 5: like he weighed the options and thought going for the

1020
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,439
Speaker 5: KO aggressively wasn't going to help him. He's still picked

1021
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 5: the guy apart, he still stopped him.

1022
00:42:58,719 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: So a lot of shots were great.

1023
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 2: So like you know, afterwards, Padley would say he had

1024
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 2: no power, and it just adds to people wanting to

1025
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 2: hate on Chikur.

1026
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 7: But I don't hate on Padley was getting I mean

1027
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 7: he was getting he was getting beaten like a like

1028
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 7: a step child. I mean, let's be honest about that.

1029
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 7: You can say what he wants. He was getting tuned.

1030
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: Should this fight have happened though, I mean, like the

1031
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 2: car didn't need I.

1032
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 7: Have less issue with this one because Padley's in shape,

1033
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 7: was in shape and could actually try, but didn't need

1034
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 7: to happen.

1035
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 1: Fuck no, it didn't.

1036
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 7: Like but for the fact that they were trying to

1037
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 7: save a fight, would you ever book this fight? Like,

1038
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 7: for example, but Cooley versus Parker, that's a fight you

1039
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 7: actually might book under a different upgrade.

1040
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 2: Almost it wasn't in reality because it wasn't a title fight.

1041
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 7: But the Padley fight is a fight you would never make.

1042
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 7: Now again, it's different because but Cooley came in just

1043
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 7: I mean looking like the Hamburgler, I mean so fast.

1044
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 2: And that doesn't help the sport.

1045
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: It doesn't. I don't think that mattered so much.

1046
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 7: But but but what I'm trying to make is I

1047
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,760
Speaker 7: can there's different ways in which to try and judge

1048
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 7: the legitimacy of what call they made. But it goes

1049
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 7: back to show that it's almost almost impossible if you're

1050
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 7: going to get a late replacement for that fight to

1051
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 7: be anything what it should have been with whoever the

1052
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,479
Speaker 7: original fighter was on that one. And people have said, oh, well,

1053
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 7: kid Schofield would have won that one. He would have

1054
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 7: made you know, Shaker look bad.

1055
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: That's a maybe.

1056
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 7: But to me, yeah, yeah, I don't buy that. But okay,

1057
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 7: people were held to holding that position. But you know,

1058
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 7: for MMA fans out there, they have very different styles.

1059
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 7: But it reminds me a little bit of Izzy, where

1060
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 7: you throw Youel Romero in there, who's kind of this

1061
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 7: unrefined guy, and you got a kind of a bad fight.

1062
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 7: But then you know, when he goes against Robert Whitaker

1063
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 7: the first time, or when he goes against Paul Acosta,

1064
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 7: guys who are determined to win, you get a very

1065
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 7: very different kind of like Oscar val does.

1066
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 5: Right, Carr was exciting in exposing and picking him apart.

1067
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: So this is what I mean, I fully fully agree

1068
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: that if you.

1069
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 7: Want to get anything out of the Shakur Stevenson experience,

1070
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 7: he's got to be pushed. If he's not pushed, he's

1071
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 7: I'm not gonna say he's gonna coast, but he's just

1072
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 7: not gonna necessarily do the things that.

1073
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 2: He He only.

1074
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 7: Can do special things if special guys make him do it.

1075
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 5: And he also has legitimate hand issues like Floyd dealt

1076
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 5: with in the second half of his career, and he's

1077
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 5: basically saying publicly shit court now he can only fight

1078
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 5: twice a year.

1079
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: There's a lot of I'm not making sure he can prepare.

1080
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 5: To be honest with you, well, let's hear Let's see

1081
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 5: the tweet as he put it out there. So Dirvante

1082
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 5: tweeted lol and then cor quote say stay focused, Lamott

1083
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 5: ready to tap that ship. So obviously this conversation is

1084
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,959
Speaker 5: built upon Tank has to get through Lamont roach Junior first.

1085
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 5: That's that's this coming Saturday in Brooklyn on PBC pay

1086
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 5: per view.

1087
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 2: But Luke, the idea.

1088
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 5: Of making this fight realistic, does it go back to

1089
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 5: that al Jyman Turkey conversation. I'm not really sure, like,

1090
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 5: can this fight be made as a PBC pay per

1091
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 5: view with Stevenson at the b side ers he had

1092
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 5: to take short.

1093
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 2: Money for that.

1094
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 1: He's trying to Eddie Hern you can make that fight.

1095
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 2: It has to be a Turkey fight.

1096
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't know.

1097
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 5: Let's hear Shakur talk about what he wants next here,

1098
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 5: teams and that could have been a tricky night with

1099
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 5: everything that's happened during the weight.

1100
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: But you must be delighted with how you got through that.

1101
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, for sure. One time in my rhythm, nobody

1102
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 9: could say my offense, my dfense, I'm very sharp.

1103
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 1: What next for you now?

1104
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 2: One of the biggest fight in boxing, Jervontay Tank Davis.

1105
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: Let's do it, bro, come on.

1106
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 2: Send him a message on Scotsports for us. I'm the

1107
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:19,919
Speaker 2: best fight in the world.

1108
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: Come put me wrong. Well done tonight, congratulations.

1109
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 5: I'm not sure he's not the best boxer in the world, obviously,

1110
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 5: he hasn't, doesn't even even being a three division champion,

1111
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 5: doesn't have enough wins to be up there, and he

1112
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 5: doesn't always give you the performance you're looking for.

1113
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 2: But he is of those skills.

1114
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 5: I told you at this turn of this year that

1115
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 5: this is the fight I wanted to see the most.

1116
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 5: Even with Keyshawn Davis almost inserting himself in the conversation

1117
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 5: with his breakthrough status. This fight chiquor Tank, If Tank

1118
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,439
Speaker 5: beats Roach is everything I would want. It's a pound

1119
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 5: for pound fight, It's a everything fight. They would be

1120
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 5: a unification in the lightweight division. It'd be the most tough,

1121
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 5: difficult opponent for both fighters to be everything.

1122
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 7: If that fight's not in the United States, it's an

1123
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 7: absolute motherfucker.

1124
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 2: You got new work, I mean ultim right, But I

1125
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 2: would take that on the moon, or.

1126
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 7: If it's a question if it doesn't happen, or or

1127
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 7: it does and it has to happen somewhere else, then fine.

1128
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 7: But anybody who is competently putting that together are bare minimum.

1129
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 7: Anybody who wants to make that fight as big as

1130
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 7: it can be, you have to put that fight.

1131
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 5: I wonder if PBC, who have co promoted when it

1132
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 5: got to like Mayweather Pachil level right or or Fury

1133
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 5: while there two level. I wonder if they would co

1134
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 5: promote with Matt Drewman Turkey.

1135
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,720
Speaker 2: I don't know, that's interesting. I don't know a final

1136
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 2: point on that fight. What would you think the line

1137
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 2: would be? Right now or should be right now.

1138
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 1: I think Tank would be a modest favorite.

1139
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 5: Like minus one fifteen, well more than that, and you

1140
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 5: want to weigh in on this fifth.

1141
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm not the biggest boxing guy. I was gonna say,

1142
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 8: like minus two hundred Tank.

1143
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 2: Plus, it's gonna be it's gonna be great. All right,

1144
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 2: Let's quickly speed through what we did learn.

1145
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,879
Speaker 5: Break out performance Virgil Ortiz Junior against Israel Madramov, even

1146
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 5: with Madromov now going public and saying I was, you know,

1147
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 5: deadly sick in the hospital, but I still push forward

1148
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 5: for the fight. Luke, I thought Israel Madromov, who just

1149
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 5: gave Terrence Crawford like literal foot a coin at the end. Hell,

1150
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 5: in terms of the style, I thought he was going

1151
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 5: to expose certain parts of Ortiz and make Ortiz have

1152
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 5: to brawl him. Luke Ortiz was patient, great trainer Robert Garcia,

1153
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 5: we know this, but patient from the outside, picked his spots,

1154
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 5: waited out Madromov's stamina in movement, and then just outboxed

1155
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 5: him and cornered him and dude like.

1156
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 1: He brutalized him late.

1157
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 5: I'm not sure he's not the best one hundred and

1158
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 5: fifty four pounder, which which is this what I'm really

1159
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 5: trying to say. Cannelo Crawford's probably gonna happen in September

1160
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 5: because it's so big, and it was a big part

1161
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 5: of Canelo going to sign the four fight deal with

1162
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 5: Saudi Arabia. But like, the boxing fan in me is

1163
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 5: almost saying, let's hit pause on Cannello Crawford and let's

1164
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 5: do Virgil Ortiz Junior versus Bud Crawford for supremacy at

1165
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,760
Speaker 5: fifty four. That's the fight I would want to see.

1166
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 5: And I did not expect to say that coming in

1167
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 5: because even though I deemed Virgil Ortiz an exciting fighter

1168
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 5: and on beating guy close fight with Boa Chuck, but

1169
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 5: I love the heart he showed, I didn't know he

1170
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 5: was of this exact skill level, because to be fair,

1171
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 5: this was probably his toughest fight ever on paper, even

1172
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 5: though he was a slight betting favorite, and even though

1173
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 5: Bernard Hopkins's promoter called him victor on the broadcast twice.

1174
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 2: And meet him in the men's room. But like, is

1175
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 2: that crazy to say?

1176
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 5: I think that version of Virgil Ortiz can compete with

1177
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 5: Bud at fifty four, not win, but compete, not not

1178
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 5: maybe maybe win, but.

1179
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 7: Like I absolutely think he can compete with Bud at

1180
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 7: fifty four. I mean this was interesting, Like you actually

1181
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 7: look at the numbers, Ortez landed better on Madromov than

1182
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,919
Speaker 7: Bud did. But the counter to that is that Bud

1183
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 7: took much less damage than Ortiz. But to me, that's

1184
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 7: really not even the story.

1185
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 2: It's not I've moved more against Budd. He you know

1186
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 2: what I mean, he was, he looked healthier.

1187
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 7: It's a different fight. Yeah, it's a different fight, different guys,

1188
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 7: different strategies. Ortiz had a very I'm not gonna say

1189
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 7: basic approach, but a kind of a simple concept, which

1190
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,760
Speaker 7: is you got to limit the movement. And dude, talking

1191
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 7: about that fight early to middleway through that fight, I'm like, dude,

1192
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 7: Madromov is running away with this.

1193
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 5: I'm like, orchies can't tell, can't fucking though.

1194
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 7: You know, it's like little jazz, Yeah, little jabs. Jabs

1195
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 7: have been going where, by the way. And that also

1196
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 7: tells you the difference between him and Bivel. Bivel had

1197
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 7: a similar ish kind of assignment, but was still able

1198
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 7: to put a little bit more behind it at times,

1199
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 7: at least enough to deter better bevan Uh and Ortez

1200
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 7: could not be deterred. But dude, the fact that Ortiz

1201
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 7: overcame that and did such phenomenal work to the body,

1202
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 7: the body, the body shots, the body work really taking

1203
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 7: his legs away, making him stationary, and dude, once Madromov

1204
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 7: was more or less stationary, or Teas whooped him, it

1205
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 7: was not close at all. And I actually it's funny

1206
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 7: you can they I've seen it circulated on on Twitter,

1207
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 7: but this is something that on our I did a

1208
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 7: live stream watching the fight with my friend Othello, and

1209
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 7: we called it out during the live stream. There's a

1210
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 7: point there where Ortiz cross reaches for a Uh to

1211
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 7: peel the guard, but lets it go, and you see

1212
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 7: Madrimal raised his hand to get it back up. So

1213
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 7: then Ortiz comes right underneath the elbow and crushes him.

1214
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 5: Dude, he got forced into a new division at fifty four.

1215
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 5: We didn't even know if he'd be a puncher in

1216
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 5: this division. His body work is insane.

1217
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 7: It's not just the body work was insane, The pace

1218
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 7: was insane, the patience was insane. And then again, dude,

1219
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 7: how many times did you see him just go ah

1220
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 7: like ripping shots to the body and Magro mav was

1221
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 7: just kind of just hunching, hunching, and then the upper

1222
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 7: carts cut started firing. Dude, this was one of my

1223
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 7: I'm not even kidding, this was one of my favorite

1224
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 7: performances from Virgil Ortiz. Maybe not number one, but top

1225
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 7: three something like that. Like this was fucking awesome. This

1226
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 7: was this was proof of concept. Like everyone kind of

1227
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 7: thinks he's gonna outdog the next guy, and I think

1228
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 7: if he has to outdog the next guy.

1229
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: He can do that.

1230
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 7: This was much more scientific, and this was one he built.

1231
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 7: This was a twelve round game plan. This was one

1232
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 7: where he was like, we have to build a game

1233
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 7: plan for every part of a twelve round frame and

1234
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 7: he you know, obviously he did that.

1235
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: Shit.

1236
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 7: Man, he looked fucking awesome in this fight. I really

1237
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 7: love this performance.

1238
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 5: Even though we bag on pfl or I do what

1239
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 5: these turty we both do with these tournament ideas, and

1240
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 5: now we still have a tournament, but it makes almost

1241
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 5: less sense. I wish one hundred and fifty four pounds

1242
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 5: we could have an all promotion global tournament. Imagine Bud

1243
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 5: Virgilotz Boa chuck in there, bring back Jamel Charlow, Tim Zu,

1244
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 5: Sebastian Fondora, Ericson Lubin, Like you really look at the

1245
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 5: talent around the world at one fifty four, Like this

1246
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 5: division's fun.

1247
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: Right now, let's get these fights made, please, please.

1248
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:33,240
Speaker 2: Well, we gotta do Canelo Crawford.

1249
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 5: Look, that is one of those that brings the casuals

1250
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 5: and I can't hate on it.

1251
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 2: It's an incredible story.

1252
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 1: Lie toughest opponent Canelos had in a while.

1253
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, indeed very quickly, Luke, I did have to mention

1254
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 5: Ajit Kabayel, the German heavyweight is like on freaking fire

1255
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 5: now three straight body shot knocklets. He had knocked out

1256
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 5: unbeaten Frank Sanchez and now we went in there against

1257
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 5: Big Bang Jang, who did not have his best night

1258
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 5: at forty one. But Jang knocks down Kabaye in the

1259
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,760
Speaker 5: fifth round. Pabo gets up off the cansass and stopped

1260
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 5: him the next round. He showed as active body punching

1261
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 5: as like any heavyweight on this level we've ever seen.

1262
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 5: I question if he was for real coming in. This

1263
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 5: was a big statement toward him being for real. Now

1264
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 5: he's got the interim WBC title. Can this guy crash

1265
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 5: the top end of this heavyweight division party or do

1266
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 5: they get hit too much?

1267
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 2: Like like you know what I mean, Like, there's some

1268
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 2: things to like and not like. But he's undefeated, he's aggressive,

1269
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 2: he wants the smoke. I just don't know if he

1270
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 2: belongs against the true ELI.

1271
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 7: Honestly, there appears to mean nothing special about him dot

1272
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:32,479
Speaker 7: dot dot except he's an awesome body puncher. Yeah, three

1273
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 7: body shot KOs in a row. If don't have that right, yes,

1274
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 7: Like that's not an accident and a lot of heavyweights

1275
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,280
Speaker 7: are not very good going to the body. Aji Kaba yellas,

1276
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 7: But to your point, BC, he also gets hit. Dude,

1277
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,439
Speaker 7: he's just a fun Let's just say this out loud,

1278
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 7: and I can't believe I'm saying this, but it really

1279
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 7: is true. The heavyweight division in boxing is so much

1280
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 7: better than the heavyweight division in MMA. Comparison conversation, Well, well, okay,

1281
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 7: but that was a much tougher conversation to have time ago.

1282
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 7: Oh yes, Now it's a fucking blowout where you get

1283
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 7: guys like Ajakabayel, who is really good at one thing

1284
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,720
Speaker 7: that is actually very important for winning, but has tons

1285
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 7: of other flaws. But that all means together. He's gonna

1286
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 7: overachieve at times, and he's gonna have exciting underachievement and

1287
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 7: other times, and we're gonna win either way as fans,

1288
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 7: yes like and you don't even have to worry about

1289
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 7: alw Is he gonna be the best in the weight class?

1290
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 7: Probably not, but who gives a shit because there's a

1291
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 7: bunch of other guys in front of them. There are

1292
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 7: so many interesting additions to the boxing heavyweight division right now,

1293
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 7: some of them imperfect. Aja Kabayel is totally imperfect, but

1294
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 7: he's totally welcome as far as I'm concerned.

1295
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 2: That's why this is the third greatest heavyweight era of

1296
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 2: all time. And people get mad when I say that.

1297
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 5: Not because I think that all of these names are

1298
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 5: better than you know, the seventies of the nineties or

1299
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 5: or or compare to any other. But they're fun, they're charismatic,

1300
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,240
Speaker 5: they're marketable, and most of them.

1301
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 2: Are vulnerable as shit.

1302
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 5: Super wo six seems like, you know, almost unbeatable. Fury

1303
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 5: was largely unbeatable. Everybody else is vulnerable af and I

1304
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 5: think he fits into that, ou Je and he's fun.

1305
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 5: Keep it going, by the way, I hate to say

1306
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 5: this to Joseph Parker. I said it earlier. I want

1307
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 5: us Duba next, even though it went the way it went,

1308
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 5: with the illness and the pull out and all that.

1309
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 2: Sorry Joseph Parker, but how about Joseph Parker Ajakab?

1310
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 1: How about that fight Joseph Parker Ajakaba?

1311
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, I know that's that's not fair to Joseph Parker.

1312
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 2: But also if if Dubois really got sick, it wouldn't

1313
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 2: be should he have to go through Parker?

1314
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1315
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 5: It's you kind of you have a chance of undisputed,

1316
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 5: you take it. That's my theory on that.

1317
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 7: But yes, I mean again, there's tons of fun fights

1318
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 7: you can make. Yes, you know, there's not one that

1319
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 7: I have to see with Ajakaba in five seconds.

1320
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 5: Callum Smith against Joshua Botzi, Dude, that was almost the

1321
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 5: fight of the night.

1322
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:38,919
Speaker 2: It was a wonderful fight.

1323
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 7: I completely slept on it. It was Blatzi strong early

1324
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 7: and then Callum Smith absolutely a lot of heart, dude,

1325
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 7: tons of heart, and then came back and put it

1326
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 7: on him.

1327
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: A surprisingly very good fight on this.

1328
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 2: Calm Smith against Benevitez or Morell.

1329
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 7: But Madramov and Ortiz was the best one. Sorry, the

1330
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 7: funnest one. I think I would say you're fun.

1331
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,479
Speaker 5: I think Blotzi uh Callum was a better action fight,

1332
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 5: but I like the adjustments on the Ortiz fight a

1333
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 5: lot more in the different styles and contrasts and all

1334
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 5: of that.

1335
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 2: Let's go quickly to topic number three.

1336
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 5: It's to close out this Saudi Arabia supercar before we

1337
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 5: get into all things ipokes and UFC Seattle and a banging,

1338
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 5: all action crowd that they had for that one. And

1339
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 5: that's Turkey al ashkh and what we saw picked up

1340
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 5: on ringside cameras during the middleweight title about the only

1341
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 5: one of the seven fights we haven't talked about, and

1342
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 5: that was Carlos Adamis defending his WBC middlewaight title against

1343
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 5: unbeaten power puncher Hamzas Chiras and ultimately being a dispute

1344
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 5: would you say controversial or just disputed draw in the

1345
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 5: end this fight, Brent brook House of CBS Sports, My

1346
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 5: colleague did have it a draw.

1347
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 2: I had at about seven five eight four a damas

1348
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 2: In my head.

1349
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 7: I thought Adamis probably deserved to be the narrow victor.

1350
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: But I gotta be honest, I didn't think him.

1351
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 7: He probably deserved to win. I wouldn't go to the

1352
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 7: mat to say it had to be a draw, right,

1353
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 7: But I'd be lying with said being a draw was

1354
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 7: somehow offensive to me.

1355
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 1: It was not.

1356
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 5: He he lightly exposed Shiraz, Yes he did, right. I

1357
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 5: don't think Shress threw enough punches to have won that.

1358
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 5: But it was an interesting fight. But before the eleventh round.

1359
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 5: At the end of the tenth round, ringside cameras picked

1360
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 5: up Turkey Ala Chic running to the corner of Sharaz. Now,

1361
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 5: Sharraz is officially a riyaces An ambassador, and we know

1362
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 5: Turkey has favorite fighters that are kind of like in

1363
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 5: the inner circle, like Tyson Fury, like Mark Chamberlain.

1364
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 2: Was this guy for a while.

1365
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 5: And Turkey appears to be screaming toward the corner to

1366
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 5: tell Hamza that he's down two points. What we don't

1367
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 5: know is if he got that from the fourth AI

1368
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,439
Speaker 5: judge that Ring magazine is experimenting with, which did have

1369
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 5: Shiraz down two points heading into the championship rounds, or

1370
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 5: Chris Mannix's un official card on his own had the

1371
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 5: same score.

1372
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 2: But the videos kind of were.

1373
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 5: Alarming in their own way, and I want to get

1374
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 5: Luke's take. People have seen my take on Twitter.

1375
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 2: Let's first check out check out the video here of

1376
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 2: what Turkey did you know?

1377
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 9: Why you don't have the man?

1378
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 2: And then Long Island. Look, if we just see the

1379
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 2: alternate angle.

1380
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 5: You.

1381
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 1: Why you know what they do? Why you.

1382
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 10: Don't think?

1383
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 2: Now? To some it's much ado about nothing. But here's

1384
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 2: the situation.

1385
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 5: We don't actually know what the real scorecards were at

1386
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 5: that time. Normally major boxing fights they tweet a picture

1387
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 5: of the scorecards ring side, the pr guy of the

1388
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 5: lead promoter will do that.

1389
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 2: They did that on the ring magazine account for the

1390
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 2: main event. They did not do it on this one.

1391
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,919
Speaker 2: So a lot of people are like, well, what's the issue? Well,

1392
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 2: a few issues.

1393
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 5: Number one being that no one outside of the corner

1394
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 5: is technically, by commission allowed to be running up there

1395
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 5: and screaming in like that.

1396
00:58:58,440 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 2: It has happened before.

1397
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 5: People have talked about the Tank Davis versus Mario Barrios fight.

1398
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 2: Do you remember that pay per view, the.

1399
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 1: One in Texas?

1400
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, where Floyd was Tank's promoter. Right, oh yeah, And

1401
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 2: here's what happened.

1402
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 5: We can see this during the rounds, Floyd says, look

1403
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 5: on the showtime broadcast, you're unofficially I think he said

1404
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 5: even or down, and Tank was like what And it

1405
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 5: turned out to be a turning point moment in the

1406
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 5: fight and people are like, hey, BC, what's the issue?

1407
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 5: And I say it like this, That was Floyd. Floyd

1408
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 5: was his individual promoter, which is why I have no

1409
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 5: issue with Frank Warren or Eddie Hearn, which they've done

1410
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 5: many times, being a cheerleader, running up and down, jumping

1411
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 5: into the corner sometimes to encourage. I think the setup

1412
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 5: that we have now with Turkey Alashkin, Saudi Arabia, where

1413
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 5: they are paying the fighters, making the fights, controlling the event,

1414
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 5: having financial relationships with the sanctioning bodies, like, it's a

1415
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 5: different model. If anything, Turkey's more Dana White right now.

1416
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 5: He's more I guess al Hayman to some degree, but

1417
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 5: more Dana White right to me, this is a bad,

1418
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 5: bad look. Whether it's just oh, Surez is one of

1419
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 5: Turkey's favorite fighters and he saw the AI scorecard and

1420
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 5: you just wanted to encourage him.

1421
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 2: Is that the end of the world.

1422
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 5: Well, I want to ask you, if if we just

1423
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 5: have a UFC main event, So Hudo versus Song You

1424
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 5: Dong and Dana White's running in the corner of suhudo,

1425
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 5: going hey, tell him, oh, captain your Why is Captain

1426
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 5: not in his corner?

1427
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 2: Tell him he's down two points.

1428
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 5: I don't know why he wasn't, by the way, but

1429
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 5: tell him he's down two points, like I would be like, okay,

1430
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 5: that's a little bit too far.

1431
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 2: That's the promoter.

1432
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 5: It's different in boxing because boxing has individual promoters. Every

1433
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 5: fighter on that card had their own promoter.

1434
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 11: Yep.

1435
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 2: So Turkey's more of the he's the judge, the Jerman,

1436
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 2: he's the law.

1437
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 1: The buck stops with him.

1438
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 5: So either that's just him being too much of a

1439
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 5: public superfan, or at worse, it's the the guessing of impropriety.

1440
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 5: Did he go overlook the judge's scores to get this?

1441
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 5: There is video of him once the twelfth th round

1442
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 5: ended that he got up and sprinted around the ring.

1443
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 2: I don't know what he did from that. Did he

1444
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:52,959
Speaker 2: check the judge scores?

1445
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 1: I have no idea.

1446
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 2: I think just the fact that that it sniffs that

1447
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 2: is awful.

1448
01:00:58,040 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 5: Luke, how do you chime out on this as much

1449
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 5: a do about anything or is this potentially kind of

1450
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 5: a gross look when you consider how these fights are made.

1451
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 7: I mean, I wouldn't call it the biggest scandal I've

1452
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 7: ever seen, but it's clearly inappropriate and unprofessional and should

1453
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 7: not happen. There's not open scoring for the house fighter

1454
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 7: or the preferred fighter of the promoter. It doesn't work

1455
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 7: that way. If there's going to be open scoring, well,

1456
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 7: then is open scoring for everyone.

1457
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 1: That's not what this was.

1458
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 7: This was Turkey for whatever reason, maybe he likes the

1459
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 7: guy more or whatever. You mentioned to me that Shereas

1460
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 7: is a READD season fighter.

1461
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 2: Correct, I've read that he's an ambassador.

1462
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, I mean so he has some kind of

1463
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 7: an official relationship with the larger brand.

1464
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 1: And then they're giving him the scores.

1465
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 7: Now, of course they're not changing the outcome per se,

1466
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 7: but they're giving him the scores which kind of influence

1467
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 7: the outcome. It could certainly influence the bout and they

1468
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 7: didn't give that to Carlos Adamis this is favoritism again,

1469
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 7: maybe Turkey didn't see it that way. We should also

1470
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 7: be very clear about this. Turkey, on the one hand,

1471
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,479
Speaker 7: seems like he very much has an idea about wanting

1472
01:01:57,480 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 7: to control the sport and only there are times though,

1473
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 7: where he just acts like a complete goofball and give

1474
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 7: me a little hard to disentangle to And it could

1475
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 7: also be the case that no one's ever really explained

1476
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 7: to him you can't actually do this. But this is

1477
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 7: the problem with one guy basically footing the bill for

1478
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 7: essentially everything he feels. It seems like I'm going to

1479
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 7: make some going to guess here. Seems to me that

1480
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 7: he feels a degree of entitlement to interfere in these ways,

1481
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 7: and it probably doesn't even occur to him that it's

1482
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 7: necessarily all that bad. If he's doing it nakedly on camera.

1483
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 2: It's the same thing to me.

1484
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 7: The rules have to be applied equally, period.

1485
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 1: This shit is too difficult. Carlos Adamis.

1486
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 7: Maybe he deserved to draw, Maybe he did, but he

1487
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 7: deserves an opportunity to be treated before the rules, just

1488
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 7: the same as Shiras.

1489
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 1: That didn't happen to me.

1490
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 5: It's the same thing as when Turkey was interviewed by

1491
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 5: Mike Coppinger on ESPN and admitted to Hey, I've been

1492
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 5: effing up the news cycle in the last forty eight hours.

1493
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 5: By giving everybody false info from my ring magazine account

1494
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,959
Speaker 5: to shift the Canelo negotiations in my favor. The fact

1495
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:02,959
Speaker 5: that he so brazenly shared that shows that he comes

1496
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 5: from a different business. He doesn't know the quote unquote

1497
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 5: rules or the etiquette.

1498
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 2: But here's the deal.

1499
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 5: Do I think at the end of the day that

1500
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 5: he was rigging that fight for Shiraz? No, I don't

1501
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 5: officially think that. Do I think that he ran over

1502
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 5: and saw the judges cards. No, I bet you he

1503
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 5: was looking at a monitor that had Mannex's scorecard, or

1504
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 5: he was looking at the fourth judge thing, totally fine.

1505
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 5: Do I think that there's all this pressure in manipulation

1506
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 5: behind the scenes on the judges and the referees. No,

1507
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 5: I'm not saying that, But I think moments like this

1508
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 5: tell anybody who doesn't know that nuance that it's very possible.

1509
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 5: If not, it's happening right in front of you. So

1510
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 5: you would want to avoid any sniff of that. In

1511
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 5: my opinion, and I know that he has favorite fighters.

1512
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 1: The mere appearance of impropriety.

1513
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 5: Is enough to that's the thing, because you're controlling every

1514
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 5: element of that event in cards, so you don't want

1515
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 5: to put that out. It's so like, I know he's

1516
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 5: a Tyson Fury guy. Sometimes he's in the interviews with

1517
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 5: Tyson whatever. But like, I don't think he's actually manipulating fights.

1518
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 5: He's gone in before and said last fight first, better

1519
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 5: be have bev All fight at the end he so

1520
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 5: I thought Bevall one. It was like, okay, great, that

1521
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 5: was a great answer.

1522
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 1: I don't think he's manipulating results.

1523
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 2: No, but you don't want to put that out there.

1524
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 7: That's what I'm trying to Also, did you hear the

1525
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 7: bone crusher in the background. I just have to say

1526
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 7: I got a hot four feva call that bitch, but

1527
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 7: Nita knocked the apple off any bum with a hollow

1528
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 7: heat seek.

1529
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:19,919
Speaker 1: I just had to put that out there. Also, get

1530
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 1: the alert ready, I got breaking news?

1531
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 7: Can he can we hear it? I got breaking news

1532
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 7: for you. This is from a guy who I trust.

1533
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 7: He reports breaking news a lot from Leo Gimot.

1534
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 1: Iiesh.

1535
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 7: Juliana Panna is gonna fight Kayla Harrison for the title.

1536
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 7: This will be seventh of I believe June UFC three sixteen.

1537
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 2: Where is that located?

1538
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 1: That will be in Newark, Newark?

1539
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 2: Just an outside no I thought it was June seventh.

1540
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, so it's June. I don't know how you say

1541
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 7: June in Portuguese. I'm reading the Portuguese got you thing here? Yes,

1542
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 7: June seventh, Kayla Herre. I don't know if it's the

1543
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 7: main event, but Kayla Harrison Juliana Pena from Lao gimot Iich,

1544
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 7: who is usually very very good with this stuff.

1545
01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 1: All right, there you go.

1546
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 2: Let's shift to MM main for topic.

1547
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 1: Member.

1548
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 2: We have to pay some great point, Luke, I'm totally

1549
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 2: off the ball on this, all right, do you want

1550
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 2: to kick us off here?

1551
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 12: Sir?

1552
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 1: Well, listen, I'm wearing it today. BC.

1553
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 7: I don't know if you are, but you might be

1554
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 7: asking what am I wearing? And the answer is two

1555
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 7: words for you, true classics. You can't go wrong with

1556
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 7: true classics, right as a general rule, not just the

1557
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 7: true classic brand.

1558
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 2: So, oh, you mean true classics in general, Yeah, you

1559
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 2: can't go wrong.

1560
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean like like like a beautiful old car

1561
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 7: or vintage kind of thing, vintage record play. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

1562
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 7: But the reality is I'm wearing true classic clothes today.

1563
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 7: I wear them. I'm not kidding most days of the

1564
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 7: week at this point. Obviously, they send us a gift

1565
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 7: package a long time ago, BC, and it just changed

1566
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 7: the way I do my wardrobe. Why because I can

1567
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 7: wear it in the winter, I can wear it in

1568
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 7: the summer. But more than that, comfortable, well made Launders.

1569
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 7: Your size doesn't shrink, and I can pair it with Hey,

1570
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 7: do I want to go to the gym? I can

1571
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 7: wear it for that. Do I want to pair something

1572
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 7: Classic and then go and have like, you know, a

1573
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 7: little bit of a nicer jacket, a little bit of

1574
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 7: a nicer look, and go out do something fun in

1575
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 7: the town. I can do all of that. True Classic

1576
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 7: meets all all of my needs, from fitness to function,

1577
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 7: to form, you name it.

1578
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 1: Count me in as a big fan.

1579
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 5: Okay, what about us that are very critical of ourselves

1580
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 5: in the mirror? Do you know what I love most

1581
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 5: about True Classic? That accentuates the positives?

1582
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 2: All right?

1583
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 5: I look cut and ripped in the T shirts. My

1584
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 5: wife notices she doesn't usually like what I wear. When

1585
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 5: I show up in True Classic with those strong colors,

1586
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 5: with that fit, it does make a difference. We're talking

1587
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 5: about premium clothes, by the way, at an affordable price.

1588
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 5: That also makes a difference. Shirts designed to fit your

1589
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 5: best features as I mentioned, and it has a lot

1590
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 5: of those winter must haves. Luke, you know what I'm saying,

1591
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 5: The long sleeve Handley's, all those things we're talking about,

1592
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 5: the button ups, the joggers, comfy clothes, but also clothes

1593
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 5: you can look good on the night out, you know

1594
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 5: what I mean?

1595
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 7: Again, And it all fits well and if it doesn't

1596
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 7: fit well, by the way, they have it one hundred

1597
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 7: percent perfect fit guarantee on all the returns. By the way,

1598
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 7: all one hundred percent of orders have free shipping.

1599
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 1: So this is what I mean. In addition to.

1600
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 7: Getting a quality piece of clothing, you can interface with

1601
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 7: the company in a very easy Wait. Maybe you get

1602
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 7: the size, it wasn't exactly what you expected, don't worry.

1603
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 7: They're gonna take good care of you. And I can

1604
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 7: tell you they've taken very good care of BC and

1605
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 7: my wife. By the way, I gotta say my wife

1606
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 7: a true classic approved what you want to call her

1607
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 7: spouse in this particular case, Yeah, she loves it when

1608
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 7: I wear two class stuff.

1609
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 5: Let me let our viewers get involved in okas, okay,

1610
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 5: level up your date night or your everyday style with

1611
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Speaker 5: clothes that actually fit right. Just go to my exclusive

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1615
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:41,640
Speaker 2: Elevate your wardrobe today. Yes, oh sorry, uh yeah, the

1616
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 2: code combat we know that.

1617
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 1: There we go, there we go. I love it and

1618
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 1: again I'm wearing it today.

1619
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 5: Let's get back into the show, and let's get back

1620
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:52,000
Speaker 5: into topic number four and a shift to Mixed Martial

1621
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 5: Arts UFC Seattle. Look, it was a really good card

1622
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:57,360
Speaker 5: on paper and then took a ton of hits in

1623
01:07:57,480 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 5: terms of the matchmaking, and there was last minute scrambling,

1624
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 5: but it played out with some all action bonanza. I

1625
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 5: believe there were seven for seven and finishes to kick

1626
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 5: it off. The crowd was absolutely on fire. But Luke

1627
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 5: the main event definitely stole the headlines when Henry Sujuto

1628
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:16,760
Speaker 5: was poked in the eye unintentionally by Song You Dong

1629
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 5: in their bandamweight fight that had a lot of you know,

1630
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 5: Top ten implications here.

1631
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 2: It was the second foul for Song.

1632
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 5: No points taken away though from Jason Herzog, you know,

1633
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 5: some mild consistent warning though. So here's my question from

1634
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:36,479
Speaker 5: Suhuto milking every second of the five minutes allotted to

1635
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,799
Speaker 5: him to referee Jason Hergenzog, not taking the point away

1636
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 5: and then forcing the start of the fourth round so

1637
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:46,800
Speaker 5: it could go to the scorecards and become a technical decision.

1638
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:47,959
Speaker 2: And not a no contest.

1639
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 5: By the way, I want to know from you, did

1640
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 5: Herzog handle the situation properly? And do you also believe

1641
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:58,080
Speaker 5: that Suhudo acted shamelessly in looking for a way out

1642
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:01,680
Speaker 5: and maybe that fuel Herzog's decision. A lot to get

1643
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:03,679
Speaker 5: into here, How do you think it was handled?

1644
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:08,080
Speaker 7: I think that they're okay about the shamelessness of it all.

1645
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 7: Let me let me do some polling here Long Island, Luke,

1646
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 7: to what extent do you believe Suhudo actually had difficulties

1647
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 7: seeing like thirty Tell me why you are largely but

1648
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:22,440
Speaker 7: not totally.

1649
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 8: Skeptical, because I think as soon as the fight restarted again,

1650
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 8: he started getting pieced up and then was looking for

1651
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 8: a way out of the fight. So then in between

1652
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 8: rounds he starts going.

1653
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:30,720
Speaker 1: I can't see.

1654
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:32,720
Speaker 8: I can't say like you could see two minutes ago

1655
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 8: when you decided to resume.

1656
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 2: I do agree with that side of it.

1657
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 1: I don't know why.

1658
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 7: Why did you think he said he could see because

1659
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 7: he didn't say he couldn't see.

1660
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:41,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, he took the five minutes and then he continued fighting.

1661
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 8: If you can't see, say you can't see.

1662
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:45,799
Speaker 5: He's basically saying he only came to that decision after

1663
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 5: he realized that he was so compromised that song was

1664
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:49,640
Speaker 5: lighting him up.

1665
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:51,799
Speaker 2: But Sugudo kind of did say that in the mic afterwards,

1666
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 2: like he you know what I'm saying, what do you

1667
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 2: mean saying that?

1668
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:57,639
Speaker 5: It really wasn't until he tried to fight with post

1669
01:09:57,720 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 5: Eye Scratch that he was getting hit up. He get

1670
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 5: right up, and he started to realize, like, this isn't fair.

1671
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 5: I can't see guys. So, like, I agree with what

1672
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 5: he's saying about.

1673
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 7: I think I think people expect way too much of

1674
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:11,720
Speaker 7: fighters in certain respects, way too much. He probably did

1675
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 7: try to tell himself, ah, I can see through it.

1676
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 1: It's fine, it's whatever.

1677
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 7: And then the right we're talking about an Olympic fucking

1678
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 7: gold medalist here. Let's let's you know, he does racist

1679
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 7: shit at press weigh ins, and he says a bunch

1680
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 7: of dumb shit, but this is a very decorated combat

1681
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 7: sports athlete who had I think deserves some benefit of

1682
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 7: the doubt here. I personally don't find him. I mean, dude,

1683
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:37,720
Speaker 7: every time we get to one of these situations where

1684
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:41,640
Speaker 7: a foul ends up changing or ending, about half of

1685
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:44,439
Speaker 7: the discussion is about how the toughest people I've ever

1686
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 7: known in my life are actually just malingering on camera.

1687
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 7: It does happen, It mathematically has to happen. I think

1688
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 7: going to that as an explanation to me doesn't really

1689
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 7: help the conversation much. That's the first thing I want

1690
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 7: to say. Second of all, in terms of how Henry

1691
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 7: handled it, there is a I think an argument that

1692
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 7: he didn't handle it all that great. I want to

1693
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 7: come back to it. But the first thing I want

1694
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 7: to say is can we time out? Time out on this?

1695
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 2: WHOA, what's going on right now? You about to tell

1696
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:11,759
Speaker 2: a secret.

1697
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:16,599
Speaker 7: When the UFC launched their new gloves, we didn't get

1698
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 7: enough data to really know if this was true or not,

1699
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:21,640
Speaker 7: but they did make claims, and I went back and

1700
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:24,599
Speaker 7: I looked. They did make claims that these should at

1701
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 7: least in theory, reduce overall eye injuries or I don't

1702
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:31,839
Speaker 7: if they put pokes on there, but it was supposed

1703
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:34,759
Speaker 7: to limit any kind of issues that the old gloves.

1704
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 2: It wasn't supposed to limit knockouts.

1705
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:37,640
Speaker 1: It was just I don't think they put that on

1706
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:38,960
Speaker 1: the Yeah, yeah, okay.

1707
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 7: And obviously there was some preliminary data that the new

1708
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:47,680
Speaker 7: gloves were minimizing KOs but as most people who was

1709
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 7: what we're watching that who compiled the statistics said, it's

1710
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 7: still a little too early to tell. Doesn't matter. UFC

1711
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 7: pulled the plug and they went back to the old gloves.

1712
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 7: Now again, I don't even know if the new gloves

1713
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 7: were going to fix our meaningfully reduce ipoke SPC, but

1714
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 7: they at least put that as something of a selling

1715
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 7: point when they gave it to us. If we're going

1716
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 7: to retreat to the old gloves, that means, no matter what,

1717
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 7: you're going to retreat to the old problems. And given

1718
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 7: that we've had more elegant solutions to this problem, either

1719
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 7: to the power lock Everlast Glove or the Trevor Whitman

1720
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 7: glove or the Pride Glove, the UFC bears some responsibility

1721
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 7: here for going to what is basically old technology that

1722
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 7: doesn't do anything to meaningfully curb the problems. That's actually

1723
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:33,600
Speaker 7: the first thing I should say here. Everyone wants to

1724
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 7: make this about Henry and Herzog, and I'm like, the

1725
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 7: gloves play a role. Would the UFC chose to go

1726
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:42,680
Speaker 7: to gloves that they know do nothing to stop.

1727
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 2: EyeT but not having a culture where you enforced points.

1728
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 1: And I'll get to that.

1729
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:47,440
Speaker 2: In a timeline.

1730
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:50,240
Speaker 5: That makes more sense that because it's affecting fights, that's

1731
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 5: bigger than the change.

1732
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 7: Fine, fine, but I think having a conversation about the

1733
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:57,639
Speaker 7: problem has to start with we actually have some reason

1734
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 7: to believe there are already better technological solutions to this problem,

1735
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:03,559
Speaker 7: and they don't want to go to them. I don't

1736
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 7: understand why that is. That's problem number one. Problem number

1737
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:08,519
Speaker 7: two with Herzog, I don't have First of all, I

1738
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 7: like Jason Herzog a lot as a referee. I think

1739
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 7: way more often than not he gets it right. I

1740
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:17,320
Speaker 7: truly believe that. I know he trains, I know he cares.

1741
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:19,720
Speaker 7: I've spoken to him a few times privately. He's a

1742
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:21,880
Speaker 7: locked on kind of guy. But it's a difficult job.

1743
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 7: They're not always going to get it right. I don't

1744
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 7: think he got it right necessarily here going from the

1745
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 7: third to the fourth round. I don't have an issue

1746
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 7: with that. That's just the nature of the way the

1747
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 7: rules were being implemented at the time. Not taking a

1748
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:36,920
Speaker 7: point from Song Ya Doong to me is just indefensible.

1749
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 7: There was the ball kick in the second round, which

1750
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:41,280
Speaker 7: they partly stopped, then there was a bad one that

1751
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 7: they stopped for in the third round. Then he follows

1752
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:47,720
Speaker 7: that up with an ipoke that goes fucking knuckled deep.

1753
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:49,759
Speaker 2: And the warnings were not strong, not at all.

1754
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 7: Into his fucking brain. Understand what happened. Henry Suhuto was

1755
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:57,680
Speaker 7: fouled and then ultimately fouled his way into be like

1756
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:01,679
Speaker 7: in terms of receiving the foul fouled his way into losing. Guys,

1757
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 7: if your system is set up where the person who

1758
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 7: gets fouled ends up losing the fucking contest, something is

1759
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 7: off about your rules. And I know there are rules

1760
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 7: where if it about goes long enough, then you judge

1761
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 7: and blah blah blah.

1762
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 1: I get all that.

1763
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:17,679
Speaker 5: Guy even said Song You Doong won a technical decision.

1764
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:19,799
Speaker 5: He won a technical decision to three rounds of judging.

1765
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 7: But this is the point. If he had been deducting.

1766
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 7: If Herzog had deducted a point, this would have been

1767
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 7: a majority draw, So it didn't even matter if it

1768
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 7: would have gone to the fourth round, he wouldn't have

1769
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:31,720
Speaker 7: had the out. How is it that Henry Shuto is

1770
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 7: supposed to be the guy that gets kicked in the balls, poked.

1771
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 1: In the eye and then he's the one that has

1772
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 1: to lose. What the fuck are we doing with that?

1773
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:40,760
Speaker 5: I was gonna say that I think two things can

1774
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 5: be right. I think three things can be right. One,

1775
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 5: I don't actually think Suhuta deserve to lose this fight

1776
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:46,880
Speaker 5: for that same point you said, And we have seen

1777
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:48,880
Speaker 5: fights in recent years that met this sort of same

1778
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:51,680
Speaker 5: thing where there was like a fighter could use the

1779
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:55,080
Speaker 5: question of can you continue or not strategically. So when

1780
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 5: I say two things are right, I think so Hudo.

1781
01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:00,160
Speaker 5: It's not his fault that he got viciously finned all

1782
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:02,120
Speaker 5: the you know on that third one after no, no

1783
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 5: strong warnings are taking away of points. But I also

1784
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 5: think he attempted to milk the system, which is a

1785
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:11,959
Speaker 5: veteran move at a level that was like egregious, like extreme.

1786
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 2: So first I want to show what.

1787
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 5: Su Hudo posted in this look he got legitimately injured.

1788
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 5: Let's be And this is what Suhudo posted in response,

1789
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:21,599
Speaker 5: first the picture of it, and then do you have

1790
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 5: also the description.

1791
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:26,639
Speaker 1: We just got the picture. It looks like me after

1792
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:27,679
Speaker 1: five gummies.

1793
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 2: So he mentioned three different like dot like some other

1794
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:35,679
Speaker 2: ones as well, so three.

1795
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:38,479
Speaker 5: Different damaging things. He was uh because he went to

1796
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:40,800
Speaker 5: the hospital to check it out. But then number two

1797
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 5: is him sitting down and milking it and he got booed,

1798
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 5: I think it rightfully, So it gave the impression that

1799
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 5: he's it.

1800
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:50,200
Speaker 7: Why is his vision supposed to just materialize on a

1801
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 7: timeline five minutes.

1802
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:52,799
Speaker 2: For a reason.

1803
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:56,200
Speaker 5: But you can't act like he wasn't also milking it

1804
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:58,920
Speaker 5: even though he got aft up and it wasn't his fault,

1805
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 5: he was also milking it.

1806
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:01,920
Speaker 1: How will you say milking and what does that mean?

1807
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:02,600
Speaker 1: That should to me.

1808
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 5: Strategically trying to figure out how do I use every

1809
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:05,840
Speaker 5: possible secontion.

1810
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:06,880
Speaker 1: Why shouldn't he do that?

1811
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 2: You get five minutes? It's not illegal?

1812
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:14,040
Speaker 7: What is wrong with him doing that? I want everyone

1813
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 7: to take a moment to think about all of the

1814
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:21,599
Speaker 7: decisions that as prize fighters, MMA fighters don't get to make.

1815
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:25,880
Speaker 7: All the decisions that get outsourced to other actors, and

1816
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:28,000
Speaker 7: we go, by the way, how many times we had

1817
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:30,759
Speaker 7: a pit bull cruise issue last time Floyd Mayweather before,

1818
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:32,840
Speaker 7: I don't like these gloves. I'm not going to fucking

1819
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 7: wear them because Floyd was the one putting his health

1820
01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:37,479
Speaker 7: on the line. He'll be damned if someone's gonna put

1821
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:40,120
Speaker 7: gloves on his hands that he doesn't approve. And we're

1822
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 7: back to that here. And that's just one I could

1823
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:46,519
Speaker 7: pick many. Him taking the five minutes to make a

1824
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:49,519
Speaker 7: more informed decision, whether while it was not pleasing to

1825
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:52,759
Speaker 7: watch in real time, is one of the few things

1826
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:55,600
Speaker 7: he can do to take control of a bad situation.

1827
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 7: Fuck everyone who thinks he was out there fucking hamming

1828
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:01,639
Speaker 7: it up and doing the work oot and fucking knuckle

1829
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:06,280
Speaker 7: trick pulling, knuckle pulling, pulling fucking nickels from behind his

1830
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:07,479
Speaker 7: little kid's ear.

1831
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 2: Okay, ridiculous. Are you ready?

1832
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:11,760
Speaker 5: The time was off, the five minutes were up, and

1833
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 5: he still was kind of walking the other way, like

1834
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:16,640
Speaker 5: I get that he's got a freaking eye injury and

1835
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:17,639
Speaker 5: he's trying to make a decision.

1836
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:19,760
Speaker 7: You poked in the eye real back, yes, and it

1837
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 7: didn't come. My vision did not come back after five minutes.

1838
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:25,240
Speaker 5: I know part of my anger should go more in

1839
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:28,120
Speaker 5: the direction of Herzog, the rule, the commission rules, everything

1840
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 5: about that. It seemed like Henry got f't but Long

1841
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 5: Island looke, I want to get your opinion. We can't

1842
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 5: act like so Hudo wasn't trying to milk every second

1843
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 5: and opportunity here almost shamelessly.

1844
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 8: I agree, And I was rooting for Henry Suhudo. In fact,

1845
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 8: that's the only bet that didn't get me a perfect week.

1846
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 8: So I I wanted him to win, dude, But I

1847
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:44,800
Speaker 8: still felt like he was milking it.

1848
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:48,040
Speaker 7: Okay, you're saying he's milking it, tell me why he shouldn't.

1849
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:50,479
Speaker 8: That's there's no reason why he shouldn't been.

1850
01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:51,840
Speaker 1: And why are we talking about it?

1851
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:54,080
Speaker 8: Because most fighters, and maybe it's the pressure from the

1852
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:57,559
Speaker 8: crowd booing and stuff, most fighters never take even close

1853
01:17:57,640 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 8: to the five minutes saying they shouldn't.

1854
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 7: Fighters make terrible decisions with their lives every day. How

1855
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:04,640
Speaker 7: is that a basis of comparison?

1856
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:08,679
Speaker 5: Okay, Sohudo was diagnosed with the diplopia, soft tissue damage

1857
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:11,280
Speaker 5: and a corneil abrasion. So it's not nothing here. Okay,

1858
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 5: this is legit. I get what you're saying. This is

1859
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:13,639
Speaker 5: not wrong.

1860
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 7: I'm not telling you he didn't milk it. What I'm

1861
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:18,120
Speaker 7: asking someone to tell me is what is the problem

1862
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:19,440
Speaker 7: with that, especially.

1863
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:20,960
Speaker 5: In the face of the way the rules are almost

1864
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:23,439
Speaker 5: against the person who got folluoled. Look, bottom line, the

1865
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:26,960
Speaker 5: biggest culture, the biggest culprit is is the system.

1866
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:28,719
Speaker 2: I want to say Jason Hurzag, but it's it's.

1867
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:31,760
Speaker 5: The commission system not putting more of an emphasis because

1868
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:33,560
Speaker 5: they don't want the referees to be part of the

1869
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 5: scoring in the end.

1870
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 2: That's why I feel like there's such a huge the

1871
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:38,320
Speaker 2: culture of let's warn, warn, warn.

1872
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 5: It's never aggressive enough, it's never consistent enough, and they

1873
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:43,280
Speaker 5: keep giving these guys extra extra chances.

1874
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 2: This changes the fight. You only get three rounds.

1875
01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:47,920
Speaker 5: I know this was a five round fight, but like,

1876
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:51,479
Speaker 5: these moments change the fights. So I really wish that

1877
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 5: it was established in the system that I don't care

1878
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:57,680
Speaker 5: if it's an accident you viciously follow somewhere, maybe you

1879
01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:00,679
Speaker 5: get one warning. You get one warning of one foul. Now,

1880
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 5: like there's levels of what the second foul can be.

1881
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:06,120
Speaker 5: The second fall can be an accidental abrasion on the crotch.

1882
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:09,040
Speaker 5: There's a difference between that and a full through illegal

1883
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:11,559
Speaker 5: punch or knee or what we saw here with an ipoke.

1884
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:14,320
Speaker 5: Shouldn't a referee have an ability to discretion where that

1885
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:16,640
Speaker 5: where in this case, I'm gonna jump through the warning. No,

1886
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 5: you get a point taken away. You may have not

1887
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:21,080
Speaker 5: have done it intentional, but you sticking your finger into

1888
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:23,880
Speaker 5: the brain is going to change this fight and take

1889
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:26,799
Speaker 5: away from your opponent. So the point is the penalty,

1890
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:30,040
Speaker 5: whether it's your fault or not. Establishing that will obviously

1891
01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:31,680
Speaker 5: teach a new culture. They had to do it in

1892
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 5: the NFL to protect the quarterbacks.

1893
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:34,759
Speaker 2: Yep, you had to learn how new way to tackle.

1894
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:36,040
Speaker 2: It is what it is like.

1895
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 7: I couldn't agree more. Jim Miller, by the way, talking

1896
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 7: on this morning on Twitter saying he's been poked in

1897
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 7: the eye two different times and fights, and both times

1898
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:45,800
Speaker 7: it resulted in not like total loss of vision, but

1899
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 7: permanent loss that he was never able to get back. Dude,

1900
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:50,080
Speaker 7: this is no fucking bullshit. Yeah, this is why people

1901
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:51,960
Speaker 7: like he milked it or you know, how bad was it?

1902
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 1: Guys?

1903
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:53,920
Speaker 7: He got poked in the fucking eye in the middle

1904
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 7: of a cage fight. Have a little bit of sympathy

1905
01:19:56,240 --> 01:19:57,680
Speaker 7: for this guy. But the one thing I will say,

1906
01:19:57,720 --> 01:19:58,320
Speaker 7: this should.

1907
01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:00,200
Speaker 5: Have been no contest. I get why it was, but

1908
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:01,320
Speaker 5: I think it should have been okay.

1909
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:02,720
Speaker 7: But this is the one area of blame that I

1910
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:05,160
Speaker 7: think Suhudo has to accept, and not just him, all

1911
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:09,599
Speaker 7: fighters guys. If you've ever talked to a prize fighter,

1912
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:13,719
Speaker 7: they know like how to do their game in MMA

1913
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 7: like the back of their hand, right, especially the elite ones.

1914
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:19,960
Speaker 7: But even the elite ones don't know the rules of MMA.

1915
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:23,240
Speaker 1: They don't know that. They don't know the Commission's rules.

1916
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:26,600
Speaker 7: To me, if you knew the Commission's rules and you

1917
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 7: still couldn't see that great and you knew that it

1918
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:29,479
Speaker 7: was a five round bout.

1919
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:30,479
Speaker 1: If it goes to.

1920
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 7: The next round, they're just gonna go to the fucking

1921
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:36,479
Speaker 7: scorecards because remember, so Hudo asked Herzog for a point

1922
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 7: deduction on on the song and it is his right, but.

1923
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 2: Actually it was hilarious.

1924
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:43,240
Speaker 5: He was like Herzog was like can you can you continue?

1925
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:45,520
Speaker 5: And He's like, shit, took the fucking point away.

1926
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 7: He's right, and he and referee Herzog has a right

1927
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:51,080
Speaker 7: to to it's his discretion. But if they're not gonna

1928
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:53,519
Speaker 7: do that, and you know, the rules say you can't

1929
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:56,599
Speaker 7: fucking see, because all it turns out he actually couldn't

1930
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 7: fucking see. That's actually telling the truth. But this is

1931
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 7: what I mean. MMA fighters are robbed of so many

1932
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:06,400
Speaker 7: decisions from the beginning of camp to after the fight

1933
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:09,760
Speaker 7: that other combat athletes get to make. That would be

1934
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 7: one he would get to make, and he punted it away.

1935
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:14,800
Speaker 7: And so when that happens, well, now the Commission's going

1936
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:17,799
Speaker 7: to make a decision for you fighters of the world.

1937
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:20,599
Speaker 1: Don't do that. Don't do that.

1938
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:24,840
Speaker 7: Take control of the decisions that there are actually empowering

1939
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 7: you to make.

1940
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:27,519
Speaker 5: It's the same thing of the people criticizing the Hanes

1941
01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:30,840
Speaker 5: for letting Ryan Garcia miswait and then they just, you know.

1942
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 2: They kept going with the fight.

1943
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:33,479
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Like, in that situation, he

1944
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 5: could have been like, no, this guy's out of control,

1945
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 5: he's disgracing me.

1946
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 2: We're not doing the fight. So it could have done that.

1947
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:39,439
Speaker 1: They had a choice, and then they let the commission run.

1948
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:42,680
Speaker 5: With yes, I don't want to miss the point of

1949
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 5: this fight. So even though they so let me get

1950
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:46,599
Speaker 5: let me do it this way. So who don't want

1951
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:48,800
Speaker 5: to rematch? And he's still tweeting about it. Songy Dong

1952
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:50,840
Speaker 5: in the post fight interview said, I'll give him a

1953
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 5: second chance.

1954
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 2: Let's hear Dana on the topic.

1955
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:55,640
Speaker 13: Obviously, Henry AND's song seem like they want to have

1956
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:57,800
Speaker 13: the rematches. That kind of what you're thinking that they

1957
01:21:57,840 --> 01:21:58,720
Speaker 13: should run that one back.

1958
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 2: Not at all, not even a little bit.

1959
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:01,920
Speaker 1: Why is that?

1960
01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 14: I just don't want to see it again, do you know?

1961
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 13: I thought it was a good fight leading up, and.

1962
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 1: You want to see it again. We should probably do

1963
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:10,240
Speaker 1: it in a couple of months.

1964
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:14,600
Speaker 13: It depends on the eye, right yeah, Okay, okay.

1965
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:16,639
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the actual fight.

1966
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:18,679
Speaker 5: We did get two and a half rounds of material

1967
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:20,680
Speaker 5: that I know they did finish the third, but but

1968
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:22,959
Speaker 5: you know, it was a different fight once Henry was compromised.

1969
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 5: To be fair, Look, Luke, I want to give Hudo

1970
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:31,280
Speaker 5: credit at thirty eight for really trying to improve his game,

1971
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:33,519
Speaker 5: trying to add like there was a lot more offensive

1972
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:34,080
Speaker 5: variety in.

1973
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:34,840
Speaker 2: This a lot.

1974
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 5: There was a lot of a commit He looked like

1975
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:38,920
Speaker 5: a young guy for a while. There was a commitment

1976
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:43,080
Speaker 5: to moving and really trying to uniquely create offense that

1977
01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:45,519
Speaker 5: I don't think is sustainable at thirty eight. And I

1978
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:47,880
Speaker 5: think he's going to you know, and he's game. He

1979
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:50,439
Speaker 5: showed a great chin in there, and if he wants to,

1980
01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:52,439
Speaker 5: he could be a part of some all action fights

1981
01:22:52,479 --> 01:22:55,479
Speaker 5: between big names. But I think we learned through three

1982
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:58,960
Speaker 5: rounds there that the super elite version of him, he

1983
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:01,560
Speaker 5: can capture it for little pockets, little moments, but I

1984
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:03,040
Speaker 5: don't think you can do that over a five round

1985
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:04,120
Speaker 5: fight against these horses.

1986
01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:06,559
Speaker 2: I know the fights with Morob and al Joe.

1987
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:09,400
Speaker 5: Particularly were close and competitive, but I think we learned

1988
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:11,800
Speaker 5: in those coming off the long layoff that he just

1989
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:13,000
Speaker 5: was a gear too short.

1990
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:14,000
Speaker 2: He needed another gear.

1991
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:18,360
Speaker 5: This he expended all the energy he could to stay relevant,

1992
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 5: to try to round out his game. Like I said,

1993
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 5: I saw moves in there I'd never seen from Suhudo before.

1994
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:25,519
Speaker 5: It's not going to be enough. I think we learned

1995
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:27,479
Speaker 5: that through three rounds here against these guys, because I

1996
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:29,360
Speaker 5: think Song is of the lower end of the elites,

1997
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:30,760
Speaker 5: and Song was putting it on him.

1998
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 1: Dude. I thought it was reasonably competitive.

1999
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 2: I thought that the guts of Henry and the mind

2000
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:37,960
Speaker 2: kept him in there, Yes, but he has to take

2001
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 2: a lot of punishment to be at the truth.

2002
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:40,880
Speaker 7: I mean, I don't get me wrong. I thought Song

2003
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:43,720
Speaker 7: was better. I thought Song was winning that contest. But

2004
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:46,320
Speaker 7: I thought, you know, Henry was making it competitive overall,

2005
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:50,400
Speaker 7: and certainly in some spurts, And so you know, Song

2006
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:53,280
Speaker 7: winning in some sense, like is some you know, is

2007
01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:56,519
Speaker 7: not an affront to what transpired in the cage per se.

2008
01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:58,639
Speaker 7: But I'm a little bit with Dana, like, I don't

2009
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:00,840
Speaker 7: have a strong need to do this. I just feel

2010
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:04,040
Speaker 7: bad for Henry. He hasn't won a fight in five years.

2011
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:07,240
Speaker 7: He's zero to three sense whatever you want to call

2012
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:10,880
Speaker 7: that retirement sabbatical that he was on. And you know,

2013
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:12,799
Speaker 7: there's an I said this before. There was an argument

2014
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:15,240
Speaker 7: to be made that when he retired there were a

2015
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:17,000
Speaker 7: bunch of bantam weights in front of him that probably

2016
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 7: would have one of them would have beaten him at least,

2017
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 7: you know like that, you know, it was like he

2018
01:24:20,479 --> 01:24:23,200
Speaker 7: was gonna go on some forever title reign. But the

2019
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:25,840
Speaker 7: other reality is he walked away at the peak of

2020
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:27,920
Speaker 7: his powers and we are far and.

2021
01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:31,160
Speaker 5: His envision right when he left suddenly was like top

2022
01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:33,280
Speaker 5: to bomb, the deepest and most incredible in the sports.

2023
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:36,120
Speaker 7: If it's one thing to compete at thirty two thirty

2024
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:38,400
Speaker 7: three at bantamweight, tried doing it thirty seven thirty eight.

2025
01:24:38,439 --> 01:24:39,280
Speaker 1: It's fucking tough.

2026
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:41,680
Speaker 2: And like he was game on Saturday, and he like,

2027
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:44,720
Speaker 2: I mean, he's not impressed with parts of his game.

2028
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:45,519
Speaker 2: I mean it was there.

2029
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:47,280
Speaker 7: You know, there was times where he would get hitt

2030
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:48,920
Speaker 7: and then fireback, and like he showed some life.

2031
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:51,599
Speaker 5: Like once we realized he couldn't take a song down

2032
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:54,120
Speaker 5: and keep him down, then it became a different fight.

2033
01:24:54,479 --> 01:24:57,200
Speaker 5: Then he needed all the creativity of the offense to

2034
01:24:57,240 --> 01:24:58,240
Speaker 5: try to hang with a song.

2035
01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 2: But through through executing that, at his age, he's going

2036
01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:02,000
Speaker 2: to get lit up.

2037
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:03,479
Speaker 7: I was going to say this to I thought song

2038
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:06,559
Speaker 7: you Doong looked good and again I thought he was winning.

2039
01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:07,799
Speaker 1: Fine.

2040
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:09,880
Speaker 2: It was a fun fight too.

2041
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:11,559
Speaker 7: It was a good fight. I was a little bit

2042
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:14,439
Speaker 7: pick each other off at a kickboxing range. But I

2043
01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:16,799
Speaker 7: didn't think song looked amazing.

2044
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:18,040
Speaker 2: It's a good conversation to have.

2045
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:20,400
Speaker 1: I didn't think it look long. I don't Luke, how

2046
01:25:20,439 --> 01:25:22,840
Speaker 1: did song look to you? Yeah?

2047
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:24,639
Speaker 8: I agree, I mean you guys said it earlier, he's

2048
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:26,759
Speaker 8: like that lower end of the elite.

2049
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Like I don't think he's ever together yet.

2050
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:30,599
Speaker 2: Will he ever put it together? As the real question.

2051
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:32,639
Speaker 7: And he's still got time, Like he's still very young,

2052
01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:34,920
Speaker 7: so like I would, I don't want to count him out.

2053
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:35,599
Speaker 2: He was like fourteen.

2054
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:37,599
Speaker 7: I keep waiting for that to be like this one

2055
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:39,799
Speaker 7: performance where I'm like, Okay, fuck, he's.

2056
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:42,800
Speaker 5: Arrived and it hasn't happened yet in this fight was

2057
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 5: I think if there was no ipoke, this fight could

2058
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:47,040
Speaker 5: have been that you may not getting the stoppage here.

2059
01:25:47,080 --> 01:25:49,120
Speaker 2: It depends how much more Shudo.

2060
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:49,320
Speaker 1: Was going to take.

2061
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 5: Hard to say, but even if you beat Suhudo who

2062
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:54,040
Speaker 5: gave a like I said, we gave, gave a very

2063
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:56,360
Speaker 5: good effort, that that would have been the win.

2064
01:25:56,640 --> 01:25:58,640
Speaker 2: And now it's it's the IPO fight, right, you know

2065
01:25:58,680 --> 01:25:59,040
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.

2066
01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:02,160
Speaker 5: So it's unfortunate. And that regard one more thing with Dana.

2067
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:04,040
Speaker 5: They did ask him about the whole point situation.

2068
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:07,080
Speaker 2: Do you believe a point should have been taken.

2069
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:11,160
Speaker 14: If you thought it was intentional, if you thought he

2070
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:14,400
Speaker 14: intentionally poke them in? Do you believe it was intentional?

2071
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 1: Yes?

2072
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:17,360
Speaker 2: Why would he poke them in the eye.

2073
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:18,760
Speaker 1: He's doing pretty well.

2074
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:21,519
Speaker 14: If he was getting his ass whooped and poke them

2075
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:26,320
Speaker 14: in the eye, you could probably make the argument. But

2076
01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:30,559
Speaker 14: you're you're, you're you're not sure it wasn't intentional? No

2077
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 14: it what's your last name?

2078
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:42,479
Speaker 7: No, But dude, he's so fucking wrong, like ire, and

2079
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:44,320
Speaker 7: I know that everyone's like, oh, you guys are always

2080
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:45,800
Speaker 7: hating on him. I'm not even hating on him because

2081
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:49,640
Speaker 7: I think a lot of people actually think this, guys. Uh,

2082
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 7: A foul does not need to be intentional to be

2083
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:59,720
Speaker 7: a huge fucking problem. B See how many times have

2084
01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 7: there been a pass interference call in the NFL roughing

2085
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:03,599
Speaker 7: the passer?

2086
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:05,360
Speaker 1: You name it? Where you thought?

2087
01:27:05,439 --> 01:27:05,680
Speaker 2: I don't.

2088
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:07,760
Speaker 7: I mean, he wasn't obviously intending to fuck with this

2089
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 7: person in this way, especially on these quarterback hits. But

2090
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:12,960
Speaker 7: they still throw the flag anyway. Yes, what the fuck

2091
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 7: are we talking about? There is an entire sub in

2092
01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:17,320
Speaker 7: the rule book, in the rule I'm not even making

2093
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:21,519
Speaker 7: this up in the rules about intentional fouls versus non

2094
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:26,479
Speaker 7: intentional fouls. It's the most worthless fucking distinction imaginable, because

2095
01:27:27,479 --> 01:27:28,719
Speaker 7: walking around like fucking three.

2096
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:31,040
Speaker 5: Students have nothing in the rules to prevent somebody from

2097
01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 5: doing this, which is what song did. Anytime Shuto's about

2098
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:36,040
Speaker 5: to throw, it's your fault, okay, Like.

2099
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:40,240
Speaker 7: It can be an accident and still be a disaster

2100
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:42,720
Speaker 7: for the other guy and still make it unfair for

2101
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:45,400
Speaker 7: the other guy. And it can be negligent to a degree,

2102
01:27:45,439 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 7: not intentional, but negligent. That's what this was. And he

2103
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:51,439
Speaker 7: had already filed him previously. This was the second cessation

2104
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:55,559
Speaker 7: in action. And they never ever, ever, ever want to

2105
01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:59,799
Speaker 7: penalize the intentionality is. I cannot overstate this, and please

2106
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:02,439
Speaker 7: one more time double check me in the bylaws in

2107
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 7: any fucking state commission. It does not, under any circumstance

2108
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:09,720
Speaker 7: have to be intentional for it to be called. And

2109
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:14,000
Speaker 7: in fact, there's an entire rule genre around non intentional fouls.

2110
01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:16,000
Speaker 2: If when you die of a heart attack, at least

2111
01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:17,800
Speaker 2: do it on our show for ratings. Be a man

2112
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:19,559
Speaker 2: about it, all right, you know what I mean? I

2113
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:21,559
Speaker 2: have I have it all on the playing field.

2114
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:24,200
Speaker 1: Please only only if you bury me in smoke. You

2115
01:28:24,280 --> 01:28:25,720
Speaker 1: understand you got to put me in the thing and

2116
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:26,400
Speaker 1: the stuff it full of.

2117
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:29,960
Speaker 5: I need your last point on intentionality after watching this clip,

2118
01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:33,320
Speaker 5: was this intentionally racist by Henry s Hudo or accidental

2119
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:36,400
Speaker 5: when he came out with a giant fortune cookie.

2120
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:38,040
Speaker 7: And I did see one, a zaying being like that

2121
01:28:38,120 --> 01:28:39,880
Speaker 7: was a life size fortune cookie.

2122
01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:43,400
Speaker 2: Yes, oh yeah, it says what song's luck is running low?

2123
01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:46,360
Speaker 2: Round four TKO. He was right, he was right, he

2124
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:49,519
Speaker 2: was right. I mean, that's one of the most least

2125
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:50,840
Speaker 2: racist racist things.

2126
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:53,720
Speaker 7: Keep saying again, this is an industry where if you

2127
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 7: mildly insult another person of power or even any kind

2128
01:28:57,160 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 7: of or they get really bitter at you and their

2129
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:01,400
Speaker 7: feelings get really hurt and then they tell you to

2130
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:04,559
Speaker 7: like lighten up on this. Again, there was a degree,

2131
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:07,160
Speaker 7: there was a degree of levity to this. I don't

2132
01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:08,280
Speaker 7: think the world's going to end.

2133
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:10,120
Speaker 2: You put a guy in jail for a tweet.

2134
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:12,920
Speaker 1: I just want to point out, just say you like

2135
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:13,800
Speaker 1: the racism.

2136
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:17,519
Speaker 7: Just say that, Just say you like you like doing

2137
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:19,640
Speaker 7: the jokes like that, you like the racism.

2138
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:21,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not really about anything else.

2139
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:23,600
Speaker 1: But okay, never hearing right there, there you go.

2140
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:25,880
Speaker 5: Hey, let's go to topic number five and that's the

2141
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:28,960
Speaker 5: rest of UFC Seattle. But particularly when I'm talking about

2142
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 5: this undercard an electric crowd, which I think helps play

2143
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 5: a big role in producing a number of great finishes,

2144
01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:38,960
Speaker 5: a few all action bangers. But Luke, let's talk about

2145
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:41,880
Speaker 5: individual performances in the world, a lot of them, outside

2146
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:44,280
Speaker 5: of pointing out how much more fun it is for

2147
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:46,040
Speaker 5: a fight night to be in front of an arena

2148
01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:48,840
Speaker 5: with depraves, crazy fans like they were in Seattle compared

2149
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:52,320
Speaker 5: to the damn apex. Outside of that, right from Fluffy

2150
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:56,320
Speaker 5: Hernandez to Lord Silva to Austin Vanderford and his UFC debut,

2151
01:29:56,400 --> 01:30:00,000
Speaker 5: to insert whoever you want who was the biggest winner

2152
01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 5: on the UFC Seattle undercard.

2153
01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:03,280
Speaker 1: Man, that's a tough one.

2154
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:11,400
Speaker 5: I struggle with this because you want to say Fluffy,

2155
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:13,120
Speaker 5: but you don't want to say I want to say Fluffy,

2156
01:30:13,160 --> 01:30:15,000
Speaker 5: but I don't know if I can, and I don't

2157
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:15,920
Speaker 5: know if I'm being too harsh.

2158
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:20,720
Speaker 7: So okay, I'm gonna say Fluffy. The reason I'm gonna

2159
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:23,360
Speaker 7: say Fluffy is because this was a quality opponent. This

2160
01:30:23,479 --> 01:30:25,400
Speaker 7: was a guy who had faced him before, by the way,

2161
01:30:25,560 --> 01:30:29,360
Speaker 7: so this was a rematch in and that can definitely

2162
01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:30,519
Speaker 7: make for its own challenges.

2163
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:32,760
Speaker 5: Hernandez won the first fight in LFA, and it was

2164
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:33,719
Speaker 5: a barn burner.

2165
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:36,120
Speaker 2: Title fight that went just like this one.

2166
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:38,559
Speaker 7: And there were many things he showed in this fight

2167
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:41,599
Speaker 7: that leads you to believe he's got some more climbing

2168
01:30:41,640 --> 01:30:44,599
Speaker 7: in the rankings to do. Also, was you know comin

2169
01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:47,840
Speaker 7: events lot and whatnot. So for that reason, yeah, I

2170
01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:51,800
Speaker 7: mean what the facts speak for themselves as it relates

2171
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:55,479
Speaker 7: to Anthony Hernandez. However, the tape for me was a

2172
01:30:55,560 --> 01:31:00,080
Speaker 7: little Now what you told me was that he he

2173
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:03,040
Speaker 7: said afterwards he was injured. We have the video, well,

2174
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:04,960
Speaker 7: let's cause I wonder I haven't seen it, so I

2175
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:07,920
Speaker 7: want to react to that because to me, I'll say,

2176
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:10,960
Speaker 7: this got a great win. You did exactly what he

2177
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:13,320
Speaker 7: needed to ultimately in the end. But there were a

2178
01:31:13,400 --> 01:31:15,320
Speaker 7: lot of problems with a tape on Fluffy in this.

2179
01:31:15,479 --> 01:31:18,160
Speaker 5: It was it was a really sloppy fight, but I

2180
01:31:18,200 --> 01:31:19,800
Speaker 5: loved it. Like there were points where I was like this,

2181
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:22,080
Speaker 5: I tweeted, this fight's like a thrill ride.

2182
01:31:22,120 --> 01:31:23,880
Speaker 2: It's out of control. And then people were like, yo,

2183
01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:24,759
Speaker 2: this fight sucks.

2184
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:25,519
Speaker 1: Oh, it didn't suck.

2185
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:27,960
Speaker 2: It was exciting. But let's hear from Fluffy hard fot.

2186
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:30,440
Speaker 13: You mentioned after the fight that you were on some antibiotics,

2187
01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:32,920
Speaker 13: Like how serious were things leading into the fight.

2188
01:31:34,200 --> 01:31:38,360
Speaker 9: Let's just say I got off at Maxacilan uh Friday, Okay,

2189
01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:41,400
Speaker 9: so I'm like shit, and then I'm not gonna lie.

2190
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:42,400
Speaker 1: I messed up my.

2191
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:45,320
Speaker 9: Ribs two weeks ago, so my ribs were fucked before,

2192
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:48,840
Speaker 9: and it was just like, thank God for the PI

2193
01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:51,439
Speaker 9: They were here and they helped me every fucking day.

2194
01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:54,360
Speaker 9: We got it to be good enough for the fight

2195
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:56,559
Speaker 9: and went out there and made it happen.

2196
01:31:56,640 --> 01:31:57,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, and.

2197
01:31:57,840 --> 01:31:59,439
Speaker 13: Then we can ask you now, obviously because you won

2198
01:31:59,479 --> 01:32:00,920
Speaker 13: the fight. But I know it looked like a tough

2199
01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:03,320
Speaker 13: weight cut yesterday. Was that It looked like that was

2200
01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:03,920
Speaker 13: the case, dude.

2201
01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:06,240
Speaker 9: The fucking pills and max Cilin was holding a way.

2202
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:07,640
Speaker 9: I talked to the p I T people too, and

2203
01:32:07,680 --> 01:32:09,280
Speaker 9: they said the same thing that when you're on out

2204
01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:12,040
Speaker 9: of biotics, it's very hard to cut weight. So while

2205
01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:14,479
Speaker 9: my body was trying to recover, I'm trying to fucking

2206
01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:15,360
Speaker 9: deplete it.

2207
01:32:15,320 --> 01:32:16,760
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. So it like a dog

2208
01:32:16,840 --> 01:32:17,759
Speaker 1: it was America.

2209
01:32:17,800 --> 01:32:20,280
Speaker 9: But uh, I'm pretty fucking tough between the years and

2210
01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:21,040
Speaker 9: made it happen.

2211
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:23,880
Speaker 1: Okay, that changes a lot. That's a lot, I mean,

2212
01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:24,559
Speaker 1: that's a shipload.

2213
01:32:24,720 --> 01:32:29,160
Speaker 2: I mean Madromov went, like, these fights, I'm axicilin now right, Like,

2214
01:32:29,439 --> 01:32:30,840
Speaker 2: these fighters are freaking.

2215
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:32,519
Speaker 7: So if that's the case, then I think we should

2216
01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:34,400
Speaker 7: give them a mulligan. Then the answer has to be

2217
01:32:34,479 --> 01:32:35,080
Speaker 7: Gene Silva.

2218
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:36,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, Genna.

2219
01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:38,760
Speaker 1: In fact, gn I keep calling them gene them, Lord

2220
01:32:39,040 --> 01:32:42,479
Speaker 1: cat Them, Lord, Bryce Mitchell. Don't like that. Whatever you

2221
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:45,240
Speaker 1: want to call them, Lord Silva, Jean Silva, whatever.

2222
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:47,639
Speaker 2: Good four appearances guy is.

2223
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:52,480
Speaker 7: A promotional highlight machine. He knows exactly how to stir controversy.

2224
01:32:52,520 --> 01:32:54,519
Speaker 7: I don't like the dapping up so much. That part

2225
01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:56,599
Speaker 7: gets me a little, you know, it's a little too frequent.

2226
01:32:57,000 --> 01:33:01,439
Speaker 7: But but from the personality to the fight itself, to

2227
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:03,280
Speaker 7: the way the fights are ending.

2228
01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:05,559
Speaker 2: Doesn't he hit off the dap up though? Doesn't he like, like,

2229
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:06,800
Speaker 2: give you a high five?

2230
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:08,799
Speaker 1: And then yeah, I mean he doesn't. It's not sneaky,

2231
01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:11,400
Speaker 1: but he doesn't. Wait, there's all there's not a grace period,

2232
01:33:11,439 --> 01:33:12,240
Speaker 1: let's put it that way.

2233
01:33:12,640 --> 01:33:16,080
Speaker 7: But in any case, he is so spectacular. He's such

2234
01:33:16,080 --> 01:33:19,519
Speaker 7: a fun adjustment. Fighting nerds in general are doing incredible things,

2235
01:33:19,560 --> 01:33:21,640
Speaker 7: and he's one of the foremost exciting guys in that

2236
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:22,439
Speaker 7: whole movement.

2237
01:33:22,640 --> 01:33:23,519
Speaker 1: Gotta be him, dude.

2238
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:26,200
Speaker 2: He's exciting as f af.

2239
01:33:26,479 --> 01:33:31,320
Speaker 5: He took first round tko of Milsick sorry and uh

2240
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:34,559
Speaker 5: four finishes four fights in the UFC. But this did

2241
01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:36,360
Speaker 5: this not feel like a coming out party. Like he'd

2242
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:39,519
Speaker 5: been exciting before, he'd been crazy before, but this took

2243
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:43,440
Speaker 5: his sort of like I don't love all of his craziness,

2244
01:33:43,439 --> 01:33:45,719
Speaker 5: but it just shoots through your TV and like a

2245
01:33:45,800 --> 01:33:47,880
Speaker 5: Elvis on the Ed Sullivan Show type of way where

2246
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:50,120
Speaker 5: you're like, holy crap, I can't stop looking at this guy.

2247
01:33:50,240 --> 01:33:52,679
Speaker 7: Fighters who are unhinged, and I don't mean not unhinged

2248
01:33:52,720 --> 01:33:55,360
Speaker 7: like war machine, I mean unhinged, like they've got this

2249
01:33:55,479 --> 01:33:58,120
Speaker 7: sort of weird, creative voice in their head making them

2250
01:33:58,160 --> 01:34:00,200
Speaker 7: do weird, unusual but kind of cool thing.

2251
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:03,439
Speaker 1: Yes, he's got that. He's got that and it changes.

2252
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:06,160
Speaker 1: It makes him have a weird personality, but a good one.

2253
01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:07,120
Speaker 2: He's joyful too.

2254
01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:13,360
Speaker 7: He's joyful, he's vicious geon. Jean Silva whatever is fucking fantastic.

2255
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:15,920
Speaker 7: But i'd be curious to know, Longlan Luke, who was

2256
01:34:15,960 --> 01:34:17,200
Speaker 7: your biggest winner on this card.

2257
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:19,080
Speaker 8: I was gonna say Silva as well, but I want

2258
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:23,839
Speaker 8: to give a shout out to Ricky Simone, that's.

2259
01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:25,519
Speaker 1: A's a k over the year content.

2260
01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:27,720
Speaker 2: That's that's to take a year off your career. Ko like,

2261
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:28,479
Speaker 2: that's a he got.

2262
01:34:28,520 --> 01:34:30,479
Speaker 7: And by the way, Jovid bosherot posting right before the

2263
01:34:30,479 --> 01:34:33,719
Speaker 7: show today, he was like, no excuses. I felt great,

2264
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:36,400
Speaker 7: wit cut was great. I was ready. He just got me. Yep,

2265
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:36,920
Speaker 7: all right, that's it.

2266
01:34:37,120 --> 01:34:38,479
Speaker 5: I want to get back just to close on g

2267
01:34:38,640 --> 01:34:41,000
Speaker 5: and Silva because he did call out Bryce Mitchell afterwards.

2268
01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:41,760
Speaker 1: So listen to.

2269
01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:45,479
Speaker 12: This after the fight Mitchell, I can probably guess why

2270
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:47,439
Speaker 12: you might not like Bryce, But what is it about

2271
01:34:47,439 --> 01:34:49,120
Speaker 12: that fight you'd like to take him on?

2272
01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:50,599
Speaker 1: Uh boom?

2273
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:54,080
Speaker 11: I think that, you know, Brice Minter was somebody that

2274
01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:57,839
Speaker 11: would offered me an opportunity a renewed, very good renewed

2275
01:34:57,880 --> 01:35:01,200
Speaker 11: contract if I beat him all So, I mean he's

2276
01:35:01,200 --> 01:35:03,280
Speaker 11: a guy who fought Ilia and then he took him

2277
01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:05,519
Speaker 11: to the brink. I mean it was, you know, finished

2278
01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:07,599
Speaker 11: towards the end of the round. So I mean he's

2279
01:35:07,640 --> 01:35:10,519
Speaker 11: a tough opponent that they can be dangerous and as

2280
01:35:10,520 --> 01:35:13,680
Speaker 11: far as you know, everything else, I think there are

2281
01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:16,840
Speaker 11: things that you can tolerate, especially when you're a pub

2282
01:35:16,920 --> 01:35:19,040
Speaker 11: up persona and you say it him out loud.

2283
01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:24,280
Speaker 2: I think his interpretation of the Bryce Alia fight is incorrect. Yeah,

2284
01:35:24,479 --> 01:35:27,400
Speaker 2: he didn't push him to the brink. He Bryce got

2285
01:35:27,400 --> 01:35:28,920
Speaker 2: pushed to the brink of retirement. Like that was like

2286
01:35:29,160 --> 01:35:30,120
Speaker 2: a sustained beatdown.

2287
01:35:30,200 --> 01:35:31,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, Bryce got beat up so bad he didn't know

2288
01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:33,320
Speaker 7: if he wanted to keep fighting after that.

2289
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:37,640
Speaker 5: Outside of the recent Bryce Bryce comments on Hitler and

2290
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:41,840
Speaker 5: then him on the Jackson podcast and outside all that stuff. Right,

2291
01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:46,880
Speaker 5: if gn Silva Lord Silva improves to five and zero

2292
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:49,680
Speaker 5: in the UFC by beating Bryce Mitchell, is he like

2293
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:51,719
Speaker 5: a featherweight title contender?

2294
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:52,080
Speaker 1: Is there?

2295
01:35:52,160 --> 01:35:53,320
Speaker 2: Is he just a top tenor.

2296
01:35:53,200 --> 01:35:56,200
Speaker 7: Here's what I can say after Saturday, John Silva needs

2297
01:35:56,240 --> 01:36:00,479
Speaker 7: to be fighting raked guys. He needs he needs to

2298
01:36:00,520 --> 01:36:01,160
Speaker 7: be fighting ranks.

2299
01:36:01,160 --> 01:36:01,400
Speaker 1: Guys.

2300
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:05,120
Speaker 7: You're asking, like what jumping through the screen the Melsic bagdasarians,

2301
01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:08,040
Speaker 7: We're done with that, Like we don't. It's a complete

2302
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:09,760
Speaker 7: waste of his time. I mean it was fun fight,

2303
01:36:09,840 --> 01:36:12,439
Speaker 7: but like now we can clearly tell he is so

2304
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:15,160
Speaker 7: far past that. How far we don't know. We shall see.

2305
01:36:15,439 --> 01:36:17,720
Speaker 7: But I did see that Bryce Mitchell said that, you

2306
01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:19,519
Speaker 7: know he was supposed to have that grappling match. Yes,

2307
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:22,360
Speaker 7: against the Israeli guy. He's not going to do that

2308
01:36:22,439 --> 01:36:24,120
Speaker 7: now he's got a big fight coming up. He didn't

2309
01:36:24,120 --> 01:36:27,120
Speaker 7: say which one, but maybe GM Lord so maybe maybe

2310
01:36:27,120 --> 01:36:29,640
Speaker 7: it was only one Lord BC. That's what that's what

2311
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:30,559
Speaker 7: That's what Bryce was saying.

2312
01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:32,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I agree with that, but you know that's

2313
01:36:32,080 --> 01:36:32,639
Speaker 2: another topic.

2314
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:35,240
Speaker 1: But who knows these guys get you know, we're tattoos.

2315
01:36:35,240 --> 01:36:37,080
Speaker 2: Who knows I would have gone fishing with JC. I'll

2316
01:36:37,080 --> 01:36:39,479
Speaker 2: tell you that much. Okay, we didn't need the meth

2317
01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:42,920
Speaker 2: the two of us. Let me say this one other thing.

2318
01:36:42,920 --> 01:36:44,800
Speaker 5: Austin Vanderfert, he took the fight on less than a

2319
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:46,479
Speaker 5: week's notice, didn't have to go through the Dana we

2320
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:49,479
Speaker 5: Contender series this time. If it was convenient for the

2321
01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:52,760
Speaker 5: UFC because he's from nearby, that's fine. But he also

2322
01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:57,920
Speaker 5: got himself a dominant second round finish over Nikolai Verretna Cough.

2323
01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:00,920
Speaker 5: But we almost had a Paul Daily more afterwards when

2324
01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:06,759
Speaker 5: Verrettnakough after getting after losing one strikes, you did get whooped,

2325
01:37:06,760 --> 01:37:08,920
Speaker 5: almost got submitted around two like he got owned on

2326
01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:09,400
Speaker 5: the ground.

2327
01:37:10,280 --> 01:37:11,480
Speaker 2: He would push Vanderford.

2328
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:13,040
Speaker 5: They would have a chovy match. To get the double

2329
01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:16,479
Speaker 5: Birds from Austin. Here's Austin talking about that.

2330
01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:20,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, you know, for him, I'm not really

2331
01:37:20,479 --> 01:37:22,479
Speaker 6: sure what he's complained about. He wasn't ever going to

2332
01:37:22,520 --> 01:37:24,680
Speaker 6: get out of the position we were in, and and

2333
01:37:24,720 --> 01:37:25,719
Speaker 6: he was just gonna get.

2334
01:37:25,680 --> 01:37:26,439
Speaker 1: Hurt even worse.

2335
01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:30,120
Speaker 6: So, uh, he's lucky that the ref saved him.

2336
01:37:30,160 --> 01:37:33,240
Speaker 13: To be honest, Well, I mean the bonus for you, right,

2337
01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:35,960
Speaker 13: you get the finish and you also got a really

2338
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:38,320
Speaker 13: good shot of the double bird that's all over Twitter

2339
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:38,680
Speaker 13: right now.

2340
01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:41,120
Speaker 2: Shit, Okay, yeah, I didn't realize that.

2341
01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:45,360
Speaker 6: Of course, our emotions are running and and uh, you know,

2342
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:47,960
Speaker 6: he starts tucking sitting, he comes up and calls me

2343
01:37:48,040 --> 01:37:51,599
Speaker 6: a bit, and it's like, I mean, who's cut up

2344
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:53,200
Speaker 6: and who's getting their ass beeds?

2345
01:37:53,240 --> 01:37:55,839
Speaker 8: So and that's just the way saying.

2346
01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:57,360
Speaker 1: To go Luke.

2347
01:37:57,360 --> 01:37:58,960
Speaker 5: A lot of people would tweet that that guy for

2348
01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:03,400
Speaker 5: it what's his name, not for Rettnikoff, for Retnikoff, that

2349
01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:05,240
Speaker 5: like he oh, he's gonna get fired now.

2350
01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:08,800
Speaker 2: But what do you think about that moment he didn't

2351
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:09,200
Speaker 2: get cut?

2352
01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:10,040
Speaker 1: He didn't get cut.

2353
01:38:10,120 --> 01:38:13,560
Speaker 7: I mean, okay, Paul Daily when he got cut or

2354
01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:16,679
Speaker 7: trying to hit Josh Koshchek did just that. He actually

2355
01:38:16,720 --> 01:38:17,400
Speaker 7: swung at him.

2356
01:38:18,160 --> 01:38:19,800
Speaker 1: He didn't. Vertnikoff didn't do that.

2357
01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:23,240
Speaker 5: He pushed, so did by the way, Pavlovich after the

2358
01:38:23,320 --> 01:38:27,400
Speaker 5: Volkov because they were former training partners in the right.

2359
01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:29,960
Speaker 7: But that was more pushing. Yeah, yeah, you're right, you're right.

2360
01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:32,719
Speaker 7: It seems like they don't really care about the pushing.

2361
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:35,760
Speaker 7: It's the throwing of the okay strike, I mean, and

2362
01:38:35,800 --> 01:38:41,240
Speaker 7: you know what, listen, I think what happened is unprofessional

2363
01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:43,840
Speaker 7: and shitty and should never happen. But I've said this before.

2364
01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:47,439
Speaker 7: These guys were just in cage fights. Their brain I mean,

2365
01:38:47,439 --> 01:38:49,439
Speaker 7: I'm not going to be disparaging like I mean serious,

2366
01:38:49,439 --> 01:38:52,479
Speaker 7: like their critical reasoning skills are somewhat compromised on their

2367
01:38:52,560 --> 01:38:55,679
Speaker 7: motions like you gotta be you got to me. It's

2368
01:38:55,720 --> 01:38:58,320
Speaker 7: always not what they do there, although that can matter too,

2369
01:38:58,360 --> 01:39:01,439
Speaker 7: but mostly once they've down, then talk to him and

2370
01:39:01,439 --> 01:39:03,320
Speaker 7: if they're still saying it's stupid things, well then you

2371
01:39:03,400 --> 01:39:05,599
Speaker 7: have a different conversation. But most of the time when

2372
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:06,880
Speaker 7: she finds that these guys are like, you know, I

2373
01:39:06,920 --> 01:39:08,560
Speaker 7: was just feeling it was I was on edge or

2374
01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:12,400
Speaker 7: blah blah blah. I don't think it's a reason to

2375
01:39:12,479 --> 01:39:14,439
Speaker 7: cut him other than he's probably not very good. We

2376
01:39:14,439 --> 01:39:15,160
Speaker 7: don't have to throw to it.

2377
01:39:15,160 --> 01:39:17,160
Speaker 5: But that's almost exactly what Dana said, So it was

2378
01:39:17,160 --> 01:39:18,519
Speaker 5: a good I thought it was a good reaction from

2379
01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:19,080
Speaker 5: Dana too.

2380
01:39:19,320 --> 01:39:21,080
Speaker 2: Once I actually saw it, I was like, Okay, that's got.

2381
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:23,200
Speaker 1: To show these guys a little bit of humanity something right.

2382
01:39:23,360 --> 01:39:25,120
Speaker 2: Plus, I don't think Paul Dailey should have got cut.

2383
01:39:25,400 --> 01:39:27,439
Speaker 7: I also don't think Paul or No, he probably should

2384
01:39:27,439 --> 01:39:28,800
Speaker 7: have gotten cut, but he should have been brought back.

2385
01:39:28,840 --> 01:39:32,080
Speaker 7: There were multiple times people tried to get Daily back

2386
01:39:32,120 --> 01:39:33,439
Speaker 7: in the fold and then they was like, he'll never

2387
01:39:33,479 --> 01:39:35,840
Speaker 7: get back, and I'm like, all right, whatever.

2388
01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:37,160
Speaker 2: I mean, it can go badly.

2389
01:39:37,200 --> 01:39:39,560
Speaker 5: There was that Friday Night Fights, that famous fight on

2390
01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:41,640
Speaker 5: ESPN's Friday Night Fights. I forgot that fighter's name at

2391
01:39:41,680 --> 01:39:43,960
Speaker 5: this moment where he like, knock that dude out really badly.

2392
01:39:44,479 --> 01:39:45,400
Speaker 2: You know what I'm talking about.

2393
01:39:45,680 --> 01:39:48,000
Speaker 5: It's the guy who did the knockout went on to

2394
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:49,639
Speaker 5: kill Max Kellerman's brother Sam.

2395
01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:52,680
Speaker 1: Wait what you have to research it.

2396
01:39:52,680 --> 01:39:55,920
Speaker 2: We'll get with a story for another time, but sad situation. Okay.

2397
01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:57,880
Speaker 5: On that note, we wrap up the five topics I

2398
01:39:57,920 --> 01:40:03,080
Speaker 5: believe unless you want to shout out against Ibo.

2399
01:40:03,280 --> 01:40:04,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he got us.

2400
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:06,120
Speaker 2: You may have saved the job, aren't there right?

2401
01:40:06,160 --> 01:40:08,760
Speaker 1: Save his job? Also, it's like light heavyweights.

2402
01:40:08,400 --> 01:40:10,519
Speaker 5: Just well, he said his the rest of his career

2403
01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:12,719
Speaker 5: begins now like this was the first day of his career.

2404
01:40:12,760 --> 01:40:15,200
Speaker 2: Yeah's you don't believe in the whole I don't all

2405
01:40:15,320 --> 01:40:17,840
Speaker 2: right a Lonzo men I feel by split decision and

2406
01:40:17,880 --> 01:40:19,719
Speaker 2: a slopd How.

2407
01:40:19,640 --> 01:40:21,040
Speaker 1: Did you score that fight a long Island Luke.

2408
01:40:21,400 --> 01:40:23,680
Speaker 8: I thought Alonzo took it. Gaff was on Walker. He

2409
01:40:23,720 --> 01:40:25,439
Speaker 8: thought walker walker took it, so I could see it

2410
01:40:25,439 --> 01:40:26,000
Speaker 8: going either way.

2411
01:40:26,280 --> 01:40:28,599
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, Rob Font.

2412
01:40:28,400 --> 01:40:29,960
Speaker 2: Wasn't a banger, and he came up. He came out

2413
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:31,040
Speaker 2: on top very close.

2414
01:40:31,439 --> 01:40:32,519
Speaker 1: He did as well. Yeah they dude.

2415
01:40:33,120 --> 01:40:35,519
Speaker 7: By the way, that whole prelim card was fucking awesome.

2416
01:40:35,800 --> 01:40:37,320
Speaker 7: It was a banger top to bottom.

2417
01:40:37,439 --> 01:40:37,599
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2418
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:40,360
Speaker 5: Well, I wasn't over overstating that Long Island. Look that

2419
01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:44,760
Speaker 5: Seattle card in general had insane crowd in great moments.

2420
01:40:44,479 --> 01:40:46,800
Speaker 8: Like I agree, crowd was awesome, fights are awesome.

2421
01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:49,800
Speaker 5: Didn't have that old school thing that some UFC pay

2422
01:40:49,800 --> 01:40:51,880
Speaker 5: per views had where it would be like hot early

2423
01:40:52,040 --> 01:40:54,720
Speaker 5: crazy knockouts and that momentum would just carry the whole night.

2424
01:40:54,880 --> 01:40:56,400
Speaker 2: You needd be like there's something in the earth tonight.

2425
01:40:56,439 --> 01:40:57,080
Speaker 2: Anything can happen.

2426
01:40:57,120 --> 01:40:59,040
Speaker 5: In the main event had that feel and then anything

2427
01:40:59,080 --> 01:41:01,479
Speaker 5: could happen because then song was like, let me tickle

2428
01:41:01,520 --> 01:41:02,479
Speaker 5: the back of your brains.

2429
01:41:02,520 --> 01:41:04,839
Speaker 1: Let me just just jiggle your eyes with my fingers.

2430
01:41:05,080 --> 01:41:07,720
Speaker 5: All right, we're gonna take those topics and throw them

2431
01:41:07,720 --> 01:41:09,120
Speaker 5: and now we're gonna hear from you the fans, and

2432
01:41:09,120 --> 01:41:12,280
Speaker 5: don't forget every Sunday night at morning combat on Instagram

2433
01:41:12,360 --> 01:41:16,000
Speaker 5: and X you have your opportunity to ask us a question.

2434
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:18,840
Speaker 5: These are apparently the five best. If you have a

2435
01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:21,080
Speaker 5: real weird name, we're gonna make fun of you. This

2436
01:41:21,160 --> 01:41:30,200
Speaker 5: one's called DMS from docs. That's I don't know why

2437
01:41:30,200 --> 01:41:32,600
Speaker 5: we still have that. I mean, we've voiced.

2438
01:41:32,280 --> 01:41:33,000
Speaker 2: Our opinion on it.

2439
01:41:33,040 --> 01:41:33,920
Speaker 1: They don't care what we think.

2440
01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:37,960
Speaker 5: This is from the guy in the chair inc Well,

2441
01:41:38,240 --> 01:41:42,360
Speaker 5: he's incorporated. Now do you think ESPN allowing MLB out

2442
01:41:42,360 --> 01:41:46,120
Speaker 5: of their broadcasting agreement after this year is a signal

2443
01:41:46,760 --> 01:41:50,200
Speaker 5: that they, meaning ESPN, are going to make a huge

2444
01:41:50,200 --> 01:41:54,559
Speaker 5: push to re sign UFC. MLB cited a lack of

2445
01:41:54,720 --> 01:41:56,280
Speaker 5: coverage on their end.

2446
01:41:56,320 --> 01:41:58,040
Speaker 2: I guess on ESPN's end.

2447
01:41:58,320 --> 01:42:00,240
Speaker 7: Yes, they didn't think that they were getting enough wrap

2448
01:42:00,280 --> 01:42:03,479
Speaker 7: around coverage on the various ESPN platforms.

2449
01:42:05,560 --> 01:42:07,720
Speaker 2: Is does this in your eyes? Open up room?

2450
01:42:07,800 --> 01:42:11,120
Speaker 5: Because for for as of right now, ESPN is said

2451
01:42:11,160 --> 01:42:13,599
Speaker 5: to be out of the boxing uh scene too right

2452
01:42:13,600 --> 01:42:15,240
Speaker 5: when Top Ranks deals up at the end of July.

2453
01:42:15,640 --> 01:42:17,040
Speaker 5: I don't know if they're going to be a part

2454
01:42:17,080 --> 01:42:19,400
Speaker 5: of any other future deals TKO, Like, who knows. But

2455
01:42:19,439 --> 01:42:22,200
Speaker 5: do you think UFC has a chance to stay on

2456
01:42:22,360 --> 01:42:24,639
Speaker 5: ESPN in some form? And is this move a setup

2457
01:42:24,640 --> 01:42:24,960
Speaker 5: to that?

2458
01:42:25,080 --> 01:42:29,400
Speaker 7: I think ESPN keeps UFC pay per views and I

2459
01:42:29,439 --> 01:42:32,400
Speaker 7: think just about everything else goes away. Maybe maybe they

2460
01:42:32,520 --> 01:42:34,880
Speaker 7: maybe they keep Contender series something like that. But like

2461
01:42:34,920 --> 01:42:38,240
Speaker 7: these fight nights, these are going to go somewhere up Netflix, Amazon,

2462
01:42:38,439 --> 01:42:40,919
Speaker 7: something like that. It's like they're gonna spread out. UFC's

2463
01:42:41,320 --> 01:42:44,320
Speaker 7: up to this point has always had one distributor basically,

2464
01:42:44,360 --> 01:42:48,040
Speaker 7: I mean there's some you know, oh oh uh Main Card, Airson,

2465
01:42:48,080 --> 01:42:48,960
Speaker 7: Spike prelims are.

2466
01:42:48,920 --> 01:42:51,280
Speaker 2: On Facebook or Fuel TV or something, but.

2467
01:42:51,240 --> 01:42:53,120
Speaker 7: In general, was all even Fuel was in the was

2468
01:42:53,120 --> 01:42:55,599
Speaker 7: in the Fuel was changed to Fox Sports one, Fox

2469
01:42:55,600 --> 01:42:57,800
Speaker 7: Sports two from Speed and Fuel. So the point I'm

2470
01:42:57,800 --> 01:42:59,719
Speaker 7: trying to make is it was still in the Fox family,

2471
01:42:59,720 --> 01:43:01,839
Speaker 7: even FX, it was still in the Fox family.

2472
01:43:02,760 --> 01:43:05,479
Speaker 2: It was a Nashville network at some point, maybe too TNN.

2473
01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:08,519
Speaker 1: But they're they're going to start breaking that up.

2474
01:43:08,560 --> 01:43:10,880
Speaker 7: They're gonna start putting stuff here, putting stuff here, putting

2475
01:43:10,880 --> 01:43:12,960
Speaker 7: stuff here, and they're gonna get as much money as possible.

2476
01:43:13,080 --> 01:43:13,960
Speaker 2: All right, all right.

2477
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:20,120
Speaker 5: Our second question comes from Christina Pinto Pinto underscore b JJ.

2478
01:43:20,840 --> 01:43:22,519
Speaker 1: I think I'm not sure, but I think this person

2479
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:23,519
Speaker 1: is a medical doctor.

2480
01:43:23,640 --> 01:43:26,320
Speaker 2: All right, well, doctor Pinto, happy to meet you here.

2481
01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:30,760
Speaker 5: If Ilia isn't successful up at lightweight, where would he

2482
01:43:30,840 --> 01:43:33,760
Speaker 5: go from there? What would it do to his legacy

2483
01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:36,320
Speaker 5: if he was forced to go back down to featherweight.

2484
01:43:36,720 --> 01:43:39,920
Speaker 2: Also, Dana White said at the postfight press conference that

2485
01:43:41,160 --> 01:43:43,720
Speaker 2: which fighter Diego Lopez had said that the UFC was

2486
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:46,280
Speaker 2: no longer going to allow champ champs, Dana said that

2487
01:43:46,280 --> 01:43:46,960
Speaker 2: that's not true.

2488
01:43:47,000 --> 01:43:49,559
Speaker 5: To Poria made the decision to vacate the bell. He

2489
01:43:49,600 --> 01:43:51,639
Speaker 5: said he would allow champ champs, but only if they're

2490
01:43:51,640 --> 01:43:53,960
Speaker 5: going to stay active enough to defend in both divisions.

2491
01:43:53,960 --> 01:43:57,519
Speaker 7: So I just wanted to I find it unlikely that

2492
01:43:57,640 --> 01:44:01,400
Speaker 7: he is going to be overmatched all together, do you know.

2493
01:44:01,400 --> 01:44:01,720
Speaker 1: What I mean?

2494
01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:03,759
Speaker 2: His power is going to carry out.

2495
01:44:03,720 --> 01:44:06,240
Speaker 7: Like you know, Islam is a very very tough fight.

2496
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:08,559
Speaker 7: And the other one too is like I don't think

2497
01:44:08,600 --> 01:44:13,040
Speaker 7: Saryukian is as talented as Ilia. No, but he is

2498
01:44:13,120 --> 01:44:13,960
Speaker 7: naturally bigger.

2499
01:44:14,240 --> 01:44:17,000
Speaker 2: Is that the best non title intro fight or is

2500
01:44:17,000 --> 01:44:17,519
Speaker 2: it Poorier?

2501
01:44:17,640 --> 01:44:22,000
Speaker 7: For I think the top three would be Saryukian, Poorier,

2502
01:44:22,160 --> 01:44:26,000
Speaker 7: and OLIVERA Bronx. Oh that'd be sexy. No, Bronx would

2503
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:28,400
Speaker 7: be ridiculous. And I don't think he's overmatched in any

2504
01:44:28,479 --> 01:44:30,760
Speaker 7: of them. Like, dude, Sarykin's ability to just be on

2505
01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:34,040
Speaker 7: you and wrestle the whole time. That's a tough fight

2506
01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:36,280
Speaker 7: for Ilia bro tough fight. So I don't think he's

2507
01:44:36,320 --> 01:44:39,360
Speaker 7: gonna go up there and just bomb. But even I

2508
01:44:39,400 --> 01:44:42,760
Speaker 7: as a Taporia booster, I'm a little like, I don't

2509
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:43,680
Speaker 7: know how he's gonna go up there.

2510
01:44:43,680 --> 01:44:44,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know what doesk like?

2511
01:44:45,040 --> 01:44:47,200
Speaker 8: Is there any friendship between Ilia and Arman?

2512
01:44:48,520 --> 01:44:49,280
Speaker 1: Why would there be?

2513
01:44:50,200 --> 01:44:54,439
Speaker 8: Isn't m George Armenian? I thought he had ties to

2514
01:44:54,479 --> 01:44:55,120
Speaker 8: Georgia as well.

2515
01:44:55,120 --> 01:44:56,880
Speaker 1: No, I think he's got boys who are Georgian. But

2516
01:44:56,920 --> 01:44:58,840
Speaker 1: he's he's Luke.

2517
01:44:58,920 --> 01:45:01,840
Speaker 2: You have ties to the American Georgia, but not the

2518
01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:02,879
Speaker 2: other Georgia at all.

2519
01:45:03,240 --> 01:45:06,160
Speaker 7: Not the sorry, not the overseas Georgia. But yes, the

2520
01:45:06,640 --> 01:45:07,280
Speaker 7: South Georgia.

2521
01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:09,559
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, the whole day through the home.

2522
01:45:09,400 --> 01:45:11,000
Speaker 1: Of the fights at the waffle house.

2523
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:12,559
Speaker 2: That's just an old sweet song.

2524
01:45:12,840 --> 01:45:15,000
Speaker 1: Shouts to Marietta High School in Marietta, Georgia.

2525
01:45:15,040 --> 01:45:17,920
Speaker 2: The only person I know was born in Georgia. Oh

2526
01:45:17,920 --> 01:45:20,280
Speaker 2: he was, Wow, take that and rewind it back.

2527
01:45:20,280 --> 01:45:21,639
Speaker 1: By the way, someone sent me a note.

2528
01:45:21,720 --> 01:45:26,080
Speaker 7: On his own Instagram page, Imovov lists himself as twenty

2529
01:45:26,120 --> 01:45:30,120
Speaker 7: eight years old. So Bill free once again, once again

2530
01:45:30,200 --> 01:45:31,960
Speaker 7: the backside of Miss Pelow time.

2531
01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:35,200
Speaker 8: While we're on random subjects, you were talking about the

2532
01:45:35,240 --> 01:45:38,720
Speaker 8: best short notice fight earlier in anime, the chat put

2533
01:45:38,760 --> 01:45:41,160
Speaker 8: in Dan Egay versus Diego Lopez.

2534
01:45:41,200 --> 01:45:43,439
Speaker 1: Okay, it was very good.

2535
01:45:43,479 --> 01:45:45,639
Speaker 7: Fine, Yeah, But like saying that that was like some

2536
01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:47,640
Speaker 7: great fight to me is overstated.

2537
01:45:47,720 --> 01:45:50,240
Speaker 1: That's overset. H sure, but it was fine. It was fine.

2538
01:45:50,240 --> 01:45:51,720
Speaker 1: It was totally fine, totally fine fine.

2539
01:45:52,160 --> 01:45:55,880
Speaker 5: Lewis Vitelli clit is the answer in boxing, Like, holy shit,

2540
01:45:55,920 --> 01:45:58,280
Speaker 5: that seemed might watch that on the way home Damn.

2541
01:45:58,320 --> 01:45:58,760
Speaker 1: That's good.

2542
01:45:58,880 --> 01:46:02,160
Speaker 2: Okay, Flannels and JITs is back. Where's Daz when you

2543
01:46:02,200 --> 01:46:02,559
Speaker 2: need him?

2544
01:46:02,600 --> 01:46:05,000
Speaker 1: Right? Who was a better mm A prospect? Cody Steele

2545
01:46:05,080 --> 01:46:06,040
Speaker 1: or Cad Rules.

2546
01:46:07,080 --> 01:46:09,320
Speaker 5: Had a fight last weekend with one Championships and he

2547
01:46:09,400 --> 01:46:10,799
Speaker 5: got that dominant submission.

2548
01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:11,400
Speaker 1: Yeah he did.

2549
01:46:12,640 --> 01:46:15,080
Speaker 2: I don't know much about the first fellow Cody Steele did.

2550
01:46:15,080 --> 01:46:16,800
Speaker 7: He just he was the one that had the born

2551
01:46:16,840 --> 01:46:19,200
Speaker 7: burner against uh yes, Jean Route.

2552
01:46:20,760 --> 01:46:21,439
Speaker 2: He came up empty.

2553
01:46:21,680 --> 01:46:22,400
Speaker 1: Yeah he did. Yes.

2554
01:46:22,439 --> 01:46:24,439
Speaker 7: I mean he showed a chin and he showed a

2555
01:46:24,439 --> 01:46:30,600
Speaker 7: willingness to strike terrible defense. Yeah, dude, it might be Carlo.

2556
01:46:30,840 --> 01:46:32,920
Speaker 2: I don't know, it might be I don't know anything

2557
01:46:32,960 --> 01:46:33,720
Speaker 2: about the rest of his game.

2558
01:46:33,800 --> 01:46:35,200
Speaker 1: Yea, so true, so true.

2559
01:46:35,760 --> 01:46:40,800
Speaker 7: But there's something about those guys does have a fire

2560
01:46:41,920 --> 01:46:44,600
Speaker 7: and the dude they put you in in in quicksand

2561
01:46:45,280 --> 01:46:45,960
Speaker 7: so fast.

2562
01:46:47,720 --> 01:46:49,040
Speaker 2: I might I think we should get him back on

2563
01:46:49,080 --> 01:46:49,400
Speaker 2: this part.

2564
01:46:51,520 --> 01:46:52,479
Speaker 1: Both brothers are awesome.

2565
01:46:52,560 --> 01:46:53,840
Speaker 2: Let's jump on that all right.

2566
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:58,439
Speaker 5: Also also from AO p W underscore figures who had

2567
01:46:58,479 --> 01:47:02,599
Speaker 5: the biggest promise in their career that just could not live.

2568
01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:07,519
Speaker 1: Up to it. M punk in, MMA, are we going

2569
01:47:07,560 --> 01:47:08,400
Speaker 1: to MA with this one?

2570
01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:08,680
Speaker 8: Who?

2571
01:47:08,880 --> 01:47:13,120
Speaker 2: Like Cody Garbrandt, he did become I mean he touched it.

2572
01:47:13,240 --> 01:47:15,880
Speaker 2: He got there. You're right, some guys never get there.

2573
01:47:15,960 --> 01:47:18,920
Speaker 8: What I was gonna say, speaking of Cody Garbrant, They

2574
01:47:18,960 --> 01:47:21,160
Speaker 8: always talk about Chris Holdsworth out of Team Alpha Male,

2575
01:47:22,560 --> 01:47:24,280
Speaker 8: like the best guy to come out of that gym,

2576
01:47:24,360 --> 01:47:24,840
Speaker 8: but he never.

2577
01:47:25,080 --> 01:47:26,680
Speaker 5: What do you think r I P of course, but

2578
01:47:26,680 --> 01:47:29,000
Speaker 5: what do you think about Anthony Johnson who got pretty

2579
01:47:29,080 --> 01:47:31,880
Speaker 5: damn far, got into an interim title fight, was great,

2580
01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:34,839
Speaker 5: and and and it's tooper early.

2581
01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:39,639
Speaker 7: Answer has to be Gustafson. Gustafson had the two best

2582
01:47:39,720 --> 01:47:41,360
Speaker 7: light heavyweights basically ever.

2583
01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:44,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't think that that changes how we like.

2584
01:47:44,800 --> 01:47:46,320
Speaker 1: No, but dude, if it wasn't for them, he would

2585
01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:49,559
Speaker 1: have been champions. He didn't max out, dude.

2586
01:47:49,600 --> 01:47:51,280
Speaker 2: He gave everything in the Jones.

2587
01:47:52,240 --> 01:47:54,120
Speaker 1: Up against impossible odds.

2588
01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:54,960
Speaker 2: But he then he hit the wall and he got

2589
01:47:55,040 --> 01:47:56,080
Speaker 2: washed quicker than the rest.

2590
01:47:56,200 --> 01:47:59,439
Speaker 7: At his peak, in any other era, he would have

2591
01:47:59,560 --> 01:48:02,479
Speaker 7: been champion, Yes, but it just so happens that he

2592
01:48:02,600 --> 01:48:04,680
Speaker 7: was around for d C and Jones and that that

2593
01:48:04,880 --> 01:48:05,320
Speaker 7: did him in.

2594
01:48:06,160 --> 01:48:07,639
Speaker 1: You could say Cole Conrad at heavyweight.

2595
01:48:07,680 --> 01:48:09,560
Speaker 7: You can even say, dude, you can say Kane Velasquez,

2596
01:48:09,880 --> 01:48:11,840
Speaker 7: Kane Velasquez, let me tell you, in terms of what

2597
01:48:11,960 --> 01:48:13,840
Speaker 7: people thought he was going to be, he was in

2598
01:48:13,960 --> 01:48:14,479
Speaker 7: some failure.

2599
01:48:14,560 --> 01:48:15,160
Speaker 1: By any stretch.

2600
01:48:15,200 --> 01:48:18,760
Speaker 7: He was hello heavyweight champion, But dude, they were talking

2601
01:48:18,760 --> 01:48:21,200
Speaker 7: about him running up the scoreboard on heavyweights for a

2602
01:48:21,320 --> 01:48:23,559
Speaker 7: generation and that simply did not happen.

2603
01:48:23,960 --> 01:48:25,360
Speaker 8: Well, what about our boys a beat?

2604
01:48:26,600 --> 01:48:28,360
Speaker 2: That's we don't want to like talk about it in

2605
01:48:28,439 --> 01:48:31,280
Speaker 2: this in these terms. But yeah, yeah, you're right. I mean,

2606
01:48:31,360 --> 01:48:34,320
Speaker 2: you know there's still time a and uh, I mean

2607
01:48:35,240 --> 01:48:37,840
Speaker 2: there's there's levels to it, even on the super elite.

2608
01:48:37,880 --> 01:48:38,759
Speaker 2: I wanted more from.

2609
01:48:38,640 --> 01:48:39,960
Speaker 1: Habib right in boxing?

2610
01:48:39,960 --> 01:48:44,559
Speaker 2: Would it be Broner, Yeah, marr Con mar Khan even

2611
01:48:44,600 --> 01:48:46,880
Speaker 2: though he won, you know, world titles like he in

2612
01:48:46,960 --> 01:48:49,000
Speaker 2: the beginning, it looked like he could be like, you know,

2613
01:48:49,080 --> 01:48:51,880
Speaker 2: Dala Hoya level. You know what I mean, Dala Hoya

2614
01:48:51,920 --> 01:48:53,519
Speaker 2: how about you know, like a Hall of Famer, but

2615
01:48:53,680 --> 01:48:55,960
Speaker 2: like a lot. He did a lot, but he could

2616
01:48:56,040 --> 01:48:56,960
Speaker 2: have He could have done a lot.

2617
01:48:57,000 --> 01:48:59,439
Speaker 1: By the way, dude, how much cocaine was he hiding

2618
01:48:59,479 --> 01:48:59,840
Speaker 1: in his nos?

2619
01:49:00,320 --> 01:49:02,280
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I don't want to know. I don't know.

2620
01:49:02,840 --> 01:49:07,000
Speaker 5: Aldley Harrison, the UK Olympic gold medalist that became a

2621
01:49:07,120 --> 01:49:09,000
Speaker 5: bad journeyman nineties heavyweight.

2622
01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:12,640
Speaker 2: That would probably be a big one too. You know,

2623
01:49:13,000 --> 01:49:15,280
Speaker 2: for a while Tom Duken was wast Oh my heart, you.

2624
01:49:15,320 --> 01:49:15,680
Speaker 1: Know what I mean.

2625
01:49:15,920 --> 01:49:17,479
Speaker 7: You gotta get You're gonna kill me for saying this,

2626
01:49:17,560 --> 01:49:20,519
Speaker 7: but honestly it's a little bit true. How about Mike Tyson. Yeah,

2627
01:49:20,640 --> 01:49:22,120
Speaker 7: in terms of everything he could have been and what

2628
01:49:22,240 --> 01:49:24,880
Speaker 7: he ended up being a is a fucking monster drop off.

2629
01:49:25,080 --> 01:49:25,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2630
01:49:25,960 --> 01:49:31,519
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Our final one comes from Hatezel, Hatezel. What Hazel Hazel,

2631
01:49:32,360 --> 01:49:33,120
Speaker 2: Hazel Hazel?

2632
01:49:33,680 --> 01:49:33,800
Speaker 12: Uh?

2633
01:49:34,200 --> 01:49:35,800
Speaker 2: What's your best mile time ever?

2634
01:49:35,960 --> 01:49:37,000
Speaker 1: Lit? Great question?

2635
01:49:37,200 --> 01:49:40,080
Speaker 7: So I don't know what my best single mile time is.

2636
01:49:41,160 --> 01:49:43,320
Speaker 7: Well I can't remember. I mean it's probably not great.

2637
01:49:43,360 --> 01:49:45,800
Speaker 7: But what I can here because here's the thing. Here's

2638
01:49:45,840 --> 01:49:46,080
Speaker 7: the thing.

2639
01:49:47,160 --> 01:49:49,400
Speaker 1: This is why I can't say pure mile because my

2640
01:49:49,520 --> 01:49:52,200
Speaker 1: pure mile time. Let me back up.

2641
01:49:53,320 --> 01:49:56,839
Speaker 7: The Marine Corps PFT is three miles. The fastest PFT

2642
01:49:57,080 --> 01:50:00,840
Speaker 7: I ever ran was nineteen flat, so six minutes and

2643
01:50:01,560 --> 01:50:03,639
Speaker 7: was it twenty seconds? Was essentially when I was averaging

2644
01:50:03,680 --> 01:50:07,280
Speaker 7: per mile. I've never run independent of that. I never

2645
01:50:07,400 --> 01:50:09,000
Speaker 7: ran a pure mile. You never had to do that

2646
01:50:09,080 --> 01:50:11,200
Speaker 7: in school, No, no, no, But I didn't get in

2647
01:50:11,240 --> 01:50:12,760
Speaker 7: good shape in school. I had to get in good

2648
01:50:12,760 --> 01:50:13,719
Speaker 7: shape for the marine.

2649
01:50:13,760 --> 01:50:14,120
Speaker 2: I gotcha.

2650
01:50:14,160 --> 01:50:15,320
Speaker 7: I got So what I'm trying to say is, once

2651
01:50:15,360 --> 01:50:17,000
Speaker 7: I got to that point, I actually never did a

2652
01:50:17,120 --> 01:50:19,840
Speaker 7: pure single mile race. Yes, so the best I can

2653
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:21,599
Speaker 7: say is roughly six twenty.

2654
01:50:21,720 --> 01:50:23,919
Speaker 2: I had some facid middle school ones where you're like twelve.

2655
01:50:23,760 --> 01:50:24,200
Speaker 1: You're just walking.

2656
01:50:24,439 --> 01:50:25,040
Speaker 9: No, no, no, no, no no.

2657
01:50:25,080 --> 01:50:26,479
Speaker 1: I don't think I ever did worse than like eight

2658
01:50:26,560 --> 01:50:27,519
Speaker 1: or nine or something, but.

2659
01:50:27,960 --> 01:50:29,680
Speaker 2: I always did that. I always did like eight or nine,

2660
01:50:29,720 --> 01:50:30,880
Speaker 2: just screwed around and didn't care.

2661
01:50:31,000 --> 01:50:33,439
Speaker 5: But in my late twenties, I was doing ten k's

2662
01:50:33,560 --> 01:50:35,160
Speaker 5: a lot, and I was training for a marathon, and

2663
01:50:35,320 --> 01:50:37,040
Speaker 5: there was a mile race and I signed up for it,

2664
01:50:37,080 --> 01:50:39,519
Speaker 5: and I ran a five fifty six whoa, and like

2665
01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:40,639
Speaker 5: my organs were.

2666
01:50:40,640 --> 01:50:42,120
Speaker 2: Falling out at the finish line.

2667
01:50:42,160 --> 01:50:43,960
Speaker 5: It was the most pain I've to this day, the

2668
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:46,479
Speaker 5: most pain, even more than the best sectomy needle.

2669
01:50:46,360 --> 01:50:48,840
Speaker 1: The first one. Yeah, and the cramps in your guts.

2670
01:50:49,680 --> 01:50:50,800
Speaker 2: I've not felt pain like that.

2671
01:50:50,840 --> 01:50:53,000
Speaker 5: I thought I thought I had injured, injured in the

2672
01:50:53,040 --> 01:50:54,400
Speaker 5: inside of my I mean, it's just you know, it's

2673
01:50:54,400 --> 01:50:56,840
Speaker 5: just hitting the wall. But like I gave every ounce

2674
01:50:56,960 --> 01:50:59,200
Speaker 5: because one of my high school teammates who used to

2675
01:50:59,280 --> 01:51:02,080
Speaker 5: destroy me cross country, was in that race with me

2676
01:51:02,120 --> 01:51:04,160
Speaker 5: and he was like, we were we were, uh, we're

2677
01:51:04,680 --> 01:51:06,559
Speaker 5: you know, we're all competitive in everything, and we were

2678
01:51:06,600 --> 01:51:08,080
Speaker 5: really pushing each other and I went for it.

2679
01:51:08,200 --> 01:51:08,400
Speaker 1: Dude.

2680
01:51:08,760 --> 01:51:11,320
Speaker 5: My son, though, Chris, who's a all state runner, he's

2681
01:51:11,320 --> 01:51:13,400
Speaker 5: a junior in high school. I texted him this morning

2682
01:51:13,439 --> 01:51:14,479
Speaker 5: and said, what's your best month of time?

2683
01:51:14,479 --> 01:51:18,400
Speaker 2: He said four thirty five? Shit, So yeah, he's he's

2684
01:51:18,479 --> 01:51:20,320
Speaker 2: he's he gets after. He's got some d two.

2685
01:51:20,200 --> 01:51:21,040
Speaker 1: Schools looking at him.

2686
01:51:21,320 --> 01:51:22,519
Speaker 7: Dude, I was gonna say, you know, it's kind of

2687
01:51:22,520 --> 01:51:24,479
Speaker 7: funny when I ran that nineteen minutes for the three.

2688
01:51:25,160 --> 01:51:26,360
Speaker 7: I'll never forget that morning.

2689
01:51:26,439 --> 01:51:28,880
Speaker 1: I was pissed off. It was it was at boot camp.

2690
01:51:28,960 --> 01:51:29,880
Speaker 1: I was pissed off.

2691
01:51:30,400 --> 01:51:32,200
Speaker 7: I didn't know what. I forget why I was pissed off.

2692
01:51:32,240 --> 01:51:35,440
Speaker 7: And I'll never forget this. I remember I had horrible

2693
01:51:35,520 --> 01:51:37,720
Speaker 7: blisters on my feet. Yeah, and we had to run

2694
01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:39,600
Speaker 7: the pft that day and I was like, man, this

2695
01:51:39,760 --> 01:51:42,679
Speaker 7: is fucked and I'll never forget that. I remember thinking

2696
01:51:42,720 --> 01:51:46,120
Speaker 7: that the faster and angrier I ran, the less my

2697
01:51:46,200 --> 01:51:48,280
Speaker 7: feet hurt because they were just getting warm, you know,

2698
01:51:48,360 --> 01:51:50,920
Speaker 7: what I'm saying. OK, So I was just leaning into

2699
01:51:51,000 --> 01:51:53,040
Speaker 7: it as much as I could, just running, just running,

2700
01:51:53,120 --> 01:51:55,120
Speaker 7: just running, And I'll never forget when we crossed the

2701
01:51:55,120 --> 01:51:57,439
Speaker 7: finish line, they were like nineteen and the other stuff

2702
01:51:57,439 --> 01:51:59,639
Speaker 7: I had had. I didn't get a first class PFT

2703
01:51:59,720 --> 01:52:00,960
Speaker 7: that time, but I got hired than I thought I

2704
01:52:01,040 --> 01:52:03,760
Speaker 7: was going to. And I was like, I don't ever

2705
01:52:03,800 --> 01:52:05,720
Speaker 7: want to get those blisters on my feet again. But

2706
01:52:05,840 --> 01:52:08,200
Speaker 7: I'd be lying if I said it didn't actually make

2707
01:52:08,240 --> 01:52:08,880
Speaker 7: me run faster.

2708
01:52:08,960 --> 01:52:11,679
Speaker 2: I think that they did, so shout out to blisters.

2709
01:52:11,960 --> 01:52:13,360
Speaker 2: What do you think you could do a five K

2710
01:52:13,560 --> 01:52:17,320
Speaker 2: right now? I think my heart would pop like twenty

2711
01:52:17,479 --> 01:52:17,960
Speaker 2: nine minutes.

2712
01:52:18,040 --> 01:52:18,920
Speaker 1: No, I may do it.

2713
01:52:18,960 --> 01:52:21,080
Speaker 7: I could walk and go faster than that for fox sake,

2714
01:52:21,280 --> 01:52:23,719
Speaker 7: but everyone, I can barely get a full breath.

2715
01:52:23,800 --> 01:52:26,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm wan, yeah, slowly dying.

2716
01:52:26,080 --> 01:52:28,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I really hope you make it because we

2717
01:52:28,240 --> 01:52:29,160
Speaker 2: could still do things.

2718
01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:31,240
Speaker 1: Basically game time decision. I don't know if I'm gonna

2719
01:52:31,240 --> 01:52:31,439
Speaker 1: make it.

2720
01:52:31,520 --> 01:52:35,000
Speaker 2: Make it to the next pregame preview. Don't you go

2721
01:52:35,160 --> 01:52:37,040
Speaker 2: dyeing on our final segment.

2722
01:52:37,160 --> 01:52:39,280
Speaker 5: By the way, and a quick reminder about these fan

2723
01:52:39,360 --> 01:52:42,719
Speaker 5: segments Morning Combat at Gmail dot com for this Friday

2724
01:52:42,760 --> 01:52:45,000
Speaker 5: and every Friday, we give you the chance with fan

2725
01:52:45,120 --> 01:52:48,000
Speaker 5: subs and dead wrongs. If we said something wrong, you

2726
01:52:48,040 --> 01:52:49,880
Speaker 5: can call us out on it hit that email. But

2727
01:52:50,040 --> 01:52:51,879
Speaker 5: if you send a clear.

2728
01:52:51,720 --> 01:52:55,120
Speaker 2: Picture of your Johnson, your submission will not be counted.

2729
01:52:55,280 --> 01:52:57,519
Speaker 2: Mikey is watching it, but Mikey may may or may

2730
01:52:57,560 --> 01:52:58,719
Speaker 2: not like it. Okay.

2731
01:52:59,280 --> 01:53:01,400
Speaker 5: I scot with the for this final segment, and I

2732
01:53:01,479 --> 01:53:03,519
Speaker 5: found on the Internet a lot of really weird videos

2733
01:53:03,560 --> 01:53:05,000
Speaker 5: that I'm trying to get Luke to react to.

2734
01:53:05,200 --> 01:53:07,400
Speaker 2: It's called my Ship. Have you seen it at all?

2735
01:53:16,040 --> 01:53:18,080
Speaker 2: Look if you and your wife were in a pool

2736
01:53:18,160 --> 01:53:20,320
Speaker 2: hall and a guy came up and touched her buns

2737
01:53:20,360 --> 01:53:21,360
Speaker 2: from behind, what would you do?

2738
01:53:21,840 --> 01:53:22,959
Speaker 1: We would have some problems.

2739
01:53:23,000 --> 01:53:23,800
Speaker 2: Okay, what would you.

2740
01:53:23,800 --> 01:53:27,000
Speaker 5: Do if your someone's at home right because he's hungry.

2741
01:53:27,200 --> 01:53:28,599
Speaker 5: Watched this guy in the red shirt.

2742
01:53:29,040 --> 01:53:36,320
Speaker 1: He looks like, oh, buddy, that's not gonna work. Hit

2743
01:53:36,400 --> 01:53:40,000
Speaker 1: him with the bop gun. Wow, look at him, he's

2744
01:53:40,040 --> 01:53:41,200
Speaker 1: just looking for trouble.

2745
01:53:41,280 --> 01:53:43,519
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he kind of looks like me right from

2746
01:53:43,560 --> 01:53:43,840
Speaker 2: the disk.

2747
01:53:45,080 --> 01:53:45,960
Speaker 1: That is not good.

2748
01:53:46,320 --> 01:53:49,920
Speaker 2: Hey, big week for fat falls, though, Luke. Let's bring

2749
01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:50,920
Speaker 2: out the punch machine.

2750
01:53:52,800 --> 01:53:55,880
Speaker 1: How are ko one? How are people getting disfigured from.

2751
01:53:55,840 --> 01:53:59,719
Speaker 2: This ko one. Dude, look at that, I think, Oh, yeah.

2752
01:53:59,520 --> 01:54:01,559
Speaker 1: You're gonna surgery for the rest of your life.

2753
01:54:01,560 --> 01:54:13,599
Speaker 2: All right, let's head to the living room. They lived,

2754
01:54:14,040 --> 01:54:14,439
Speaker 2: she lived.

2755
01:54:20,920 --> 01:54:24,320
Speaker 1: We've all been there, Luke, Dude, that's how Martin Bucolei fell.

2756
01:54:25,120 --> 01:54:27,640
Speaker 2: Four million dollars later. That guy is, uh, that's how

2757
01:54:27,720 --> 01:54:30,040
Speaker 2: Martin that if he just never fought again and took

2758
01:54:30,080 --> 01:54:31,759
Speaker 2: that four million, lived.

2759
01:54:31,560 --> 01:54:33,640
Speaker 1: Like a king and a congo dominating figure.

2760
01:54:33,800 --> 01:54:36,120
Speaker 2: My donista, I heard Madonna was in a really bad movie.

2761
01:54:36,480 --> 01:54:38,120
Speaker 1: Dude, I'm telling you, I will text you about this.

2762
01:54:38,680 --> 01:54:41,960
Speaker 1: Fucking traffic accidents in South America are so much worse

2763
01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:42,400
Speaker 1: than you can.

2764
01:54:43,240 --> 01:54:46,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, you ever take a cooking class? Yeah, well, listen

2765
01:54:46,680 --> 01:54:47,120
Speaker 2: to this guy.

2766
01:54:47,400 --> 01:54:49,160
Speaker 3: I remember when I was a kid growing up, my

2767
01:54:49,320 --> 01:54:51,960
Speaker 3: friend Justin and I wanted to make a roller coaster,

2768
01:54:52,360 --> 01:54:54,840
Speaker 3: so we started saving money by putting our lunch money

2769
01:54:54,840 --> 01:54:58,880
Speaker 3: in a shoe box, and after about six months we

2770
01:54:58,960 --> 01:55:01,080
Speaker 3: had a couple hundred dollars in there. But it turns

2771
01:55:01,120 --> 01:55:04,920
Speaker 3: out that my friend Justin's sister's boyfriend had found the

2772
01:55:05,000 --> 01:55:07,120
Speaker 3: shoe box and he stole the money to pay for

2773
01:55:07,200 --> 01:55:12,120
Speaker 3: an abortion. Okay, this is looking just about ready. So

2774
01:55:12,240 --> 01:55:14,480
Speaker 3: the first end to go in has already been cooking

2775
01:55:14,560 --> 01:55:15,400
Speaker 3: for twelve facts.

2776
01:55:16,120 --> 01:55:19,880
Speaker 7: I've lost my appetite. I don't think that should happen

2777
01:55:19,920 --> 01:55:21,440
Speaker 7: when you're showing spaghetti.

2778
01:55:21,160 --> 01:55:24,080
Speaker 5: That delivers so casual, like, oh yeah that time right,

2779
01:55:24,200 --> 01:55:27,040
Speaker 5: I was y she used it for an abortion.

2780
01:55:27,680 --> 01:55:29,160
Speaker 2: Hey, your haircut of the week is here.

2781
01:55:32,000 --> 01:55:34,040
Speaker 7: I tell you what, I tell you what if you're

2782
01:55:34,160 --> 01:55:38,000
Speaker 7: gonna have dumb ass haircuts, I want you to have

2783
01:55:38,360 --> 01:55:40,000
Speaker 7: the dumbest ass haircuts.

2784
01:55:40,040 --> 01:55:44,080
Speaker 1: And this gentleman is Fell's that's art.

2785
01:55:44,200 --> 01:55:48,040
Speaker 2: Oh my god. All right, your billboard, I think of

2786
01:55:48,160 --> 01:55:49,440
Speaker 2: the week. Let's see what we got here.

2787
01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:52,960
Speaker 1: Big booty Latinas will not be deported. They can stand.

2788
01:55:53,400 --> 01:55:54,880
Speaker 2: It has been decided by.

2789
01:55:55,400 --> 01:55:57,520
Speaker 1: What you want to buy partisanship in this country, very

2790
01:55:57,560 --> 01:55:58,280
Speaker 1: easy way to do it.

2791
01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:01,360
Speaker 2: Well, let's hear from this marine.

2792
01:56:02,400 --> 01:56:04,520
Speaker 12: So people keep sending me this. I have to talk

2793
01:56:04,560 --> 01:56:07,960
Speaker 12: about it because it's it's pretty good. So this a

2794
01:56:08,200 --> 01:56:11,480
Speaker 12: packet from the Marine Corps Distance Learning program old school.

2795
01:56:11,480 --> 01:56:13,240
Speaker 12: They give you package you go home and film out

2796
01:56:13,760 --> 01:56:17,360
Speaker 12: and about financial aid, how to be a leader, stuff

2797
01:56:17,440 --> 01:56:20,680
Speaker 12: like that. Really random Marine Corps institute. This might be

2798
01:56:20,760 --> 01:56:24,760
Speaker 12: the most important one. I've ever seen the dangers and

2799
01:56:24,840 --> 01:56:31,320
Speaker 12: concerns of matrimony with an exotic answer. Yeah, real, I

2800
01:56:31,440 --> 01:56:33,880
Speaker 12: can't tell you the amount of devil dogs who need,

2801
01:56:34,960 --> 01:56:38,520
Speaker 12: need will need the pay for such should have had

2802
01:56:39,440 --> 01:56:40,200
Speaker 12: this information.

2803
01:56:41,080 --> 01:56:42,400
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll have a story for you.

2804
01:56:42,920 --> 01:56:45,360
Speaker 12: Lives were changed because they didn't have this information.

2805
01:56:45,960 --> 01:56:47,400
Speaker 7: Okay, I don't know if it's real or not, but

2806
01:56:47,480 --> 01:56:49,520
Speaker 7: it probably is. Let me just tell you your's how

2807
01:56:49,640 --> 01:56:51,839
Speaker 7: bad of a problem this is in the Marine corpses

2808
01:56:51,960 --> 01:56:55,839
Speaker 7: ready for this. I've been to two weddings where Marines

2809
01:56:55,880 --> 01:56:58,640
Speaker 7: married strippers. I was a guest at the wedding called

2810
01:56:58,720 --> 01:56:59,480
Speaker 7: the marine.

2811
01:56:59,280 --> 01:57:03,080
Speaker 2: What two of them active or retired?

2812
01:57:03,480 --> 01:57:06,360
Speaker 1: They were both active and now they're both actively fucking divorced.

2813
01:57:06,960 --> 01:57:09,000
Speaker 2: The strippers were active at that time, they were active.

2814
01:57:10,200 --> 01:57:13,760
Speaker 7: I've been to two of them, two of them. That's

2815
01:57:13,840 --> 01:57:16,200
Speaker 7: how bad of a problem it is. Yeah, I don't

2816
01:57:16,200 --> 01:57:16,560
Speaker 7: know how.

2817
01:57:16,480 --> 01:57:18,280
Speaker 2: To transition out of that. But to give you your

2818
01:57:18,440 --> 01:57:20,520
Speaker 2: MMA post fight promo of the week is here.

2819
01:57:20,600 --> 01:57:25,480
Speaker 10: Donald Trump one, I won the belt elon musks fixing

2820
01:57:25,560 --> 01:57:31,040
Speaker 10: the government? What dain't a wire is fixing Facebook? Andentertained

2821
01:57:31,080 --> 01:57:35,640
Speaker 10: his brother Tristan a free Patrick Bent. David told me

2822
01:57:35,720 --> 01:57:38,640
Speaker 10: the future looks bright. So I'm gonna go in the

2823
01:57:38,760 --> 01:57:43,480
Speaker 10: back right now, impregnant. All the ring girls, collect a

2824
01:57:43,600 --> 01:57:47,920
Speaker 10: bag of cash and bounce with this belt exactly like

2825
01:57:47,960 --> 01:57:51,160
Speaker 10: I'm not planning to do. My name is King David MMA,

2826
01:57:51,800 --> 01:57:52,680
Speaker 10: and we're pregnants.

2827
01:57:52,760 --> 01:57:58,080
Speaker 2: Back to Wow, what a post fight speech.

2828
01:57:59,360 --> 01:58:03,560
Speaker 1: Believe what post see? I don't know if they know this.

2829
01:58:03,720 --> 01:58:08,520
Speaker 7: You're allowed to have a personality beyond right wing figures, Luke.

2830
01:58:08,600 --> 01:58:11,040
Speaker 2: That y'all know that that interview is brought to you

2831
01:58:11,120 --> 01:58:11,640
Speaker 2: by freedom.

2832
01:58:11,760 --> 01:58:15,560
Speaker 1: Okay, that is freedom to make terrible decisions.

2833
01:58:15,960 --> 01:58:18,960
Speaker 2: Luke. If peeing your pants and MMA was cool, then

2834
01:58:19,000 --> 01:58:21,240
Speaker 2: you would call me just tine kish. Watch this.

2835
01:58:25,880 --> 01:58:29,560
Speaker 5: It says fighter chokes the p out of her opponent.

2836
01:58:30,240 --> 01:58:31,600
Speaker 5: I don't know if we're allowed to show this.

2837
01:58:31,760 --> 01:58:35,680
Speaker 7: Luke, but that is uh hell yeah, brother, we got

2838
01:58:35,720 --> 01:58:42,960
Speaker 7: some squirters up. That's a new experience.

2839
01:58:43,080 --> 01:58:46,200
Speaker 2: This is so inappropriate. Rate this guy's mm A form

2840
01:58:46,280 --> 01:58:46,920
Speaker 2: one to ten.

2841
01:58:46,880 --> 01:58:52,040
Speaker 1: Luke looks loose.

2842
01:58:53,200 --> 01:59:03,840
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, okay, that's those are that that's showed again,

2843
01:59:04,040 --> 01:59:08,280
Speaker 7: showed again again. Watch this is every media figure at

2844
01:59:08,360 --> 01:59:09,520
Speaker 7: the Saudi Fight Cards.

2845
01:59:10,280 --> 01:59:12,879
Speaker 1: Ready, here we go. Hey, here's a ring magazine coverage

2846
01:59:14,440 --> 01:59:14,920
Speaker 1: Here comes.

2847
01:59:16,560 --> 01:59:16,840
Speaker 6: Wow.

2848
01:59:17,600 --> 01:59:19,440
Speaker 1: Actually like some of the guys at ring. But I'm sorry,

2849
01:59:19,440 --> 01:59:20,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have some fun with it.

2850
01:59:20,520 --> 01:59:24,440
Speaker 2: So okay, let's let's uh, let's watch this next one.

2851
01:59:24,960 --> 01:59:27,360
Speaker 2: I don't know is this cannibal corpse? Look watch the

2852
01:59:27,440 --> 01:59:30,360
Speaker 2: lead singer. Okay, all right, guys, you've you've had this?

2853
01:59:30,440 --> 01:59:32,040
Speaker 1: This was me on last Monday show.

2854
01:59:32,160 --> 01:59:35,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much. Sorry, Let's go to disney World.

2855
01:59:36,040 --> 01:59:39,400
Speaker 5: Let's hear from Grampsy Disney World.

2856
01:59:41,000 --> 01:59:42,200
Speaker 13: Where are you going before?

2857
01:59:42,200 --> 01:59:43,440
Speaker 8: Where are you going to the hell?

2858
01:59:44,120 --> 01:59:44,280
Speaker 1: Oh?

2859
01:59:44,480 --> 01:59:48,760
Speaker 7: Hell yeah, brother, hell yeah, brother, don't give af And

2860
01:59:48,840 --> 01:59:50,080
Speaker 7: I'm telling you the older I get.

2861
01:59:50,200 --> 01:59:52,280
Speaker 1: It's just you. You want, you want, you want to.

2862
01:59:52,640 --> 01:59:53,120
Speaker 1: You might get it.

2863
01:59:53,200 --> 01:59:55,360
Speaker 7: You might get an outdated opinion, but you're gonna get

2864
01:59:55,360 --> 01:59:57,320
Speaker 7: a candid one. You start talking to old dudes.

2865
01:59:57,480 --> 01:59:59,680
Speaker 2: They will they will say the most honest ship just

2866
01:59:59,760 --> 02:00:00,760
Speaker 2: to lair things up.

2867
02:00:00,760 --> 02:00:03,640
Speaker 1: Like this guy, all right, just to clear some things up.

2868
02:00:04,880 --> 02:00:07,640
Speaker 8: I've been to jail twice and I've been to six

2869
02:00:07,720 --> 02:00:08,600
Speaker 8: different scars.

2870
02:00:12,320 --> 02:00:19,960
Speaker 1: Two of those scars they put a catheter in my

2871
02:00:20,120 --> 02:00:26,480
Speaker 1: dick home. Why is he in front of tugget that

2872
02:00:26,640 --> 02:00:27,360
Speaker 1: clear things up?

2873
02:00:27,400 --> 02:00:28,760
Speaker 2: I think he cleared the air on that one.

2874
02:00:28,840 --> 02:00:30,880
Speaker 1: Luke Well I feel like I know more about this, gentleman.

2875
02:00:32,240 --> 02:00:34,120
Speaker 2: Let's go sail the Seven Seas together?

2876
02:00:34,680 --> 02:00:37,400
Speaker 1: Which is your favorite of the seven seas?

2877
02:00:39,080 --> 02:00:40,160
Speaker 14: The pussy.

2878
02:00:41,240 --> 02:00:41,560
Speaker 1: Me too?

2879
02:00:43,520 --> 02:00:45,520
Speaker 5: Remember when you tried to make me watch that vile

2880
02:00:45,880 --> 02:00:48,760
Speaker 5: two girls one? You have her hair of two beds,

2881
02:00:48,800 --> 02:00:49,440
Speaker 5: four guys.

2882
02:00:51,840 --> 02:01:02,920
Speaker 2: Whoa, there's two beds, four guys. Okay, all right, let's

2883
02:01:03,200 --> 02:01:04,360
Speaker 2: let's head to the bike path.

2884
02:01:04,480 --> 02:01:13,440
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, hell yeah, brother, hell yeah. That dog is like,

2885
02:01:13,560 --> 02:01:14,280
Speaker 1: suck your life.

2886
02:01:18,560 --> 02:01:20,000
Speaker 2: The police were called in that situation.

2887
02:01:20,200 --> 02:01:21,200
Speaker 1: What he had a right to do that?

2888
02:01:21,440 --> 02:01:21,800
Speaker 2: All right?

2889
02:01:22,200 --> 02:01:39,880
Speaker 5: Watch this MC on the mic here closely. Wow, that

2890
02:01:40,320 --> 02:01:41,960
Speaker 5: is a sodomy in some states.

2891
02:01:42,040 --> 02:01:44,240
Speaker 2: Luke, that's in. That's wow.

2892
02:01:44,440 --> 02:01:49,160
Speaker 5: Okay, let's close this great segment by getting very flatulent.

2893
02:01:55,440 --> 02:01:59,800
Speaker 1: God bless you works. Yeah we did, We did, sir.

2894
02:02:01,200 --> 02:02:02,320
Speaker 2: Sounded like a trumpet.

2895
02:02:07,520 --> 02:02:17,440
Speaker 1: You're just fark That's pretty good, right. Would your wife

2896
02:02:17,520 --> 02:02:19,040
Speaker 1: not assault you if you yes?

2897
02:02:19,320 --> 02:02:22,680
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I guess some people have that in the relationship.

2898
02:02:22,160 --> 02:02:22,440
Speaker 1: They can do.

2899
02:02:22,800 --> 02:02:25,320
Speaker 7: My wife grew up in fucking nineteen eighties Columbia. I'm

2900
02:02:25,320 --> 02:02:27,680
Speaker 7: getting stabbed and ship like that. I think we are

2901
02:02:27,720 --> 02:02:28,400
Speaker 7: we talking about?

2902
02:02:30,600 --> 02:02:33,200
Speaker 2: Do you there should be an event for like skill farting, like,

2903
02:02:33,640 --> 02:02:35,240
Speaker 2: do you think you can do a really long long.

2904
02:02:35,160 --> 02:02:37,760
Speaker 1: I have been known to be in first chair at

2905
02:02:37,840 --> 02:02:39,160
Speaker 1: the symphony on my ass.

2906
02:02:39,360 --> 02:02:40,920
Speaker 2: Wow, well here's your biggest rival.

2907
02:02:51,240 --> 02:02:51,760
Speaker 11: Yeah yeah, I do.

2908
02:03:00,120 --> 02:03:07,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, this guy has a medical.

2909
02:03:10,440 --> 02:03:11,000
Speaker 2: Is this Brazil?

2910
02:03:11,040 --> 02:03:19,000
Speaker 1: Scott Talent, Argentinea? Nobody?

2911
02:03:19,920 --> 02:03:21,160
Speaker 12: I mean.

2912
02:03:31,640 --> 02:03:34,200
Speaker 2: Finally, Luke, I didn't tell you about this in advance,

2913
02:03:34,280 --> 02:03:37,080
Speaker 2: by the way, but this should be our last show. Well,

2914
02:03:37,160 --> 02:03:40,320
Speaker 2: this should be king. This next clip will assure that, Luke,

2915
02:03:40,680 --> 02:03:44,120
Speaker 2: we have found video. Look at Martin, we have found

2916
02:03:44,240 --> 02:03:46,760
Speaker 2: video of you inside the Joseph A. Banks c C

2917
02:03:46,960 --> 02:03:50,240
Speaker 2: t V. Luke, that time the three flusher my stretch

2918
02:03:50,320 --> 02:03:55,880
Speaker 2: marks are not I believe this is one of the

2919
02:03:55,960 --> 02:03:57,160
Speaker 2: Poulter Caeist films.

2920
02:03:57,240 --> 02:04:06,760
Speaker 1: Luke, Oh that that's oh oh oh dude, what do

2921
02:04:06,920 --> 02:04:08,280
Speaker 1: we watched the dude? Dude?

2922
02:04:10,680 --> 02:04:13,280
Speaker 2: Okay, oh no, we gets it goes, it goes to

2923
02:04:13,320 --> 02:04:15,640
Speaker 2: other places after that, other places it goes.

2924
02:04:15,760 --> 02:04:29,400
Speaker 1: Okay, oh no, oh no, oh no, dude, what what

2925
02:04:29,640 --> 02:04:32,680
Speaker 1: is wrong with you? Why would you do that? Then?

2926
02:04:32,720 --> 02:04:34,680
Speaker 2: If that's the way we're going out, we went out

2927
02:04:34,720 --> 02:04:36,120
Speaker 2: all right? Are you coming on or what?

2928
02:04:37,440 --> 02:04:40,880
Speaker 1: I think I need a shower. I think I need

2929
02:04:40,960 --> 02:04:44,120
Speaker 1: a shower having to watch Martin Bucoli have diarrhea.

2930
02:04:45,520 --> 02:04:48,240
Speaker 2: All right, that's all we got for today. That's the

2931
02:04:48,320 --> 02:04:51,080
Speaker 2: ship of the week. My god, hope you saw it. Wow.

2932
02:04:51,320 --> 02:04:53,200
Speaker 2: You always wonder is there a limit? Is there an end?

2933
02:04:53,320 --> 02:04:56,440
Speaker 1: Yes? How much is too much? I think we discovered

2934
02:04:56,440 --> 02:04:57,160
Speaker 1: the answer today.

2935
02:04:59,560 --> 02:05:01,280
Speaker 2: Uh, thank thank you. Long I'll look you have anything

2936
02:05:01,320 --> 02:05:01,640
Speaker 2: to say?

2937
02:05:01,800 --> 02:05:04,920
Speaker 1: Oh, here we go after that? Nothing though slightly breaking news,

2938
02:05:05,000 --> 02:05:05,960
Speaker 1: not really sort of.

2939
02:05:06,880 --> 02:05:07,000
Speaker 4: Uh.

2940
02:05:07,280 --> 02:05:11,200
Speaker 7: Ilia Taporia told the news agency task Tass. It's a

2941
02:05:11,280 --> 02:05:14,400
Speaker 7: Russian one. Ilia wants a championship fight. He will not

2942
02:05:14,520 --> 02:05:17,720
Speaker 7: fight for the status of a contender with Saryukian or anyone.

2943
02:05:17,480 --> 02:05:19,240
Speaker 2: Else WHOA that's a demand.

2944
02:05:19,480 --> 02:05:22,400
Speaker 1: So it appears that it's it's the title fight or

2945
02:05:22,440 --> 02:05:22,840
Speaker 1: bust here.

2946
02:05:23,160 --> 02:05:25,240
Speaker 2: That's like a Connor move to say something like that.

2947
02:05:25,400 --> 02:05:27,200
Speaker 2: You know, we'll see if you draw the line.

2948
02:05:27,360 --> 02:05:30,280
Speaker 1: We'll see if it holds. But yeah, oh all.

2949
02:05:30,280 --> 02:05:32,560
Speaker 2: Right, sure are we gonna have a lot to talk

2950
02:05:32,600 --> 02:05:34,440
Speaker 2: to you on talk about on Friday show?

2951
02:05:35,160 --> 02:05:38,320
Speaker 1: Well, uh, we got Tank Davis. Tank Davis is the

2952
02:05:38,320 --> 02:05:38,680
Speaker 1: big one.

2953
02:05:38,720 --> 02:05:40,320
Speaker 2: What do we have an mm A, oh that.

2954
02:05:40,560 --> 02:05:42,640
Speaker 8: That manel cop Sue Alma Bia.

2955
02:05:42,760 --> 02:05:46,880
Speaker 5: Dude, that main card is balls as in ball's bad. Yeah,

2956
02:05:47,000 --> 02:05:49,680
Speaker 5: not a ball's bonanza, a deflated balls.

2957
02:05:49,760 --> 02:05:52,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, well the flate gate, the flight gate on

2958
02:05:52,440 --> 02:05:52,880
Speaker 1: the old.

2959
02:05:52,800 --> 02:05:54,960
Speaker 2: No, there's names on the main card I've never heard of.

2960
02:05:55,120 --> 02:05:56,600
Speaker 1: Hold on, let's you know what. I want to pull

2961
02:05:56,640 --> 02:05:56,920
Speaker 1: that up.

2962
02:05:57,000 --> 02:05:59,920
Speaker 8: So you said the coal mane is is the scary

2963
02:06:00,160 --> 02:06:00,440
Speaker 8: part of that.

2964
02:06:00,600 --> 02:06:03,200
Speaker 2: Kolmene is my favorite fight on the card, to be fair.

2965
02:06:05,480 --> 02:06:08,640
Speaker 7: So uh, let's see, we're talking about UFC Fight Night

2966
02:06:08,720 --> 02:06:11,640
Speaker 7: two fifty three March first. Correct, Yes, but Nel Cop

2967
02:06:11,720 --> 02:06:14,480
Speaker 7: taken on Asu Alamabayev, which is a good fight. That

2968
02:06:14,640 --> 02:06:21,360
Speaker 7: is Comayane. Cody Brundage versus Julian Marquez. Wow, I like,

2969
02:06:21,480 --> 02:06:22,600
Speaker 7: I like Cody, but I don't know if this is

2970
02:06:22,600 --> 02:06:26,320
Speaker 7: a comain territory. Yeah, Nasaq hack Parass versus Esteban Rubovich.

2971
02:06:26,600 --> 02:06:27,040
Speaker 2: That's not bad.

2972
02:06:27,040 --> 02:06:27,600
Speaker 1: That's pretty good.

2973
02:06:27,640 --> 02:06:28,040
Speaker 2: That's not bad.

2974
02:06:28,160 --> 02:06:33,280
Speaker 7: Austin Lane versus Mario Pinto at featherweight, Hyder Ammial taken

2975
02:06:33,360 --> 02:06:37,400
Speaker 7: on William Gomi's terrible, Danny Barlow taking on Sam Peterson.

2976
02:06:37,400 --> 02:06:39,520
Speaker 7: We're now into the prelim card. Hikardo Homos taken on

2977
02:06:39,600 --> 02:06:40,320
Speaker 7: Chepe Mariskall.

2978
02:06:40,400 --> 02:06:40,880
Speaker 1: That's not bad.

2979
02:06:41,600 --> 02:06:43,360
Speaker 2: A jazzmine Jazz Division.

2980
02:06:43,480 --> 02:06:46,240
Speaker 7: First Team All Body, Douglas the Silva daon Rodge. Yes,

2981
02:06:46,360 --> 02:06:49,160
Speaker 7: Douglas slvadaon Rodge versus taken on John Castin Jeda.

2982
02:06:49,520 --> 02:06:50,680
Speaker 2: Is this the new low point?

2983
02:06:50,960 --> 02:06:54,080
Speaker 1: Hold on? Andrea Lee taking on JJ Aldrich. That's something

2984
02:06:54,480 --> 02:06:55,960
Speaker 1: that's well, that's something.

2985
02:06:56,680 --> 02:06:59,840
Speaker 7: Danny Silva taking on Lucas Almeida neither has a Wikipedia entry.

2986
02:07:00,080 --> 02:07:02,440
Speaker 7: Tanna Dee la Rosa versus Lauana Carolina come back in,

2987
02:07:02,560 --> 02:07:09,240
Speaker 7: I'm back here. And then Charles Johnson taking on Ramazan

2988
02:07:10,160 --> 02:07:14,880
Speaker 7: Kadirov Temov close enough, I guess yeah. That card is

2989
02:07:15,080 --> 02:07:18,320
Speaker 7: real butt cheeks, real butt cheeks on that card.

2990
02:07:18,640 --> 02:07:20,560
Speaker 8: I feel like they could put the Charles Johnson fight

2991
02:07:20,680 --> 02:07:23,120
Speaker 8: and the Chepe mariskallfight on the main card and swap

2992
02:07:23,200 --> 02:07:23,480
Speaker 8: through those.

2993
02:07:23,520 --> 02:07:25,680
Speaker 1: I agree, Actually, Charles Johnson one probably should be on

2994
02:07:25,720 --> 02:07:26,200
Speaker 1: the main card.

2995
02:07:26,480 --> 02:07:27,640
Speaker 2: Maybe it will be by the end.

2996
02:07:28,120 --> 02:07:28,840
Speaker 1: One never knows.

2997
02:07:29,640 --> 02:07:31,960
Speaker 5: You've got to stay tuned at Morning Combat. You can

2998
02:07:32,040 --> 02:07:34,000
Speaker 5: follow us follow I'll follow you anywhere.

2999
02:07:34,120 --> 02:07:38,280
Speaker 2: Luke, Well, that's the bathroom. There you go. Check out

3000
02:07:38,320 --> 02:07:40,640
Speaker 2: our solo channels. I'm sure, Luke, you'll have some piping

3001
02:07:40,720 --> 02:07:41,720
Speaker 2: hot content this week.

3002
02:07:41,720 --> 02:07:44,800
Speaker 1: I'm sure of it. I have tried. I have tried,

3003
02:07:45,000 --> 02:07:46,840
Speaker 1: all right, what have you been noticing or something?

3004
02:07:47,080 --> 02:07:49,560
Speaker 2: No, I'm just I'm giving you an opportunity to sell yourself.

3005
02:07:49,640 --> 02:07:51,440
Speaker 1: Ah yeah, yeah, yeah, No, we'll have some good stuff

3006
02:07:51,480 --> 02:07:52,480
Speaker 1: this week for sure. All right.

3007
02:07:52,480 --> 02:07:55,720
Speaker 2: And yeah that was Long Island Luke you've heard earlier.

3008
02:07:55,800 --> 02:07:57,320
Speaker 2: Thank you to him as well, and that all the

3009
02:07:57,360 --> 02:07:59,840
Speaker 2: people in the back, I mean Ken, you know, Ken's

3010
02:08:00,080 --> 02:08:02,120
Speaker 2: Ken's the best, right is he?

3011
02:08:02,840 --> 02:08:05,360
Speaker 1: Look look at look at look at that mischievous little smile.

3012
02:08:05,880 --> 02:08:08,640
Speaker 2: Yes for Ken and all of us. Uh, thank you.

3013
02:08:09,120 --> 02:08:11,200
Speaker 7: I gotta give a shout out. I forgot let's just

3014
02:08:11,280 --> 02:08:15,680
Speaker 7: call it my pen two weeks ago. Yeah, let's call

3015
02:08:15,720 --> 02:08:15,880
Speaker 7: it that.

3016
02:08:16,080 --> 02:08:19,880
Speaker 1: Sure, and I forgot it here and Ken took he

3017
02:08:20,000 --> 02:08:22,160
Speaker 1: put it away. And then when I came back, first thing.

3018
02:08:22,080 --> 02:08:24,520
Speaker 7: He goes, yo, you forgot this. And I said, Ken,

3019
02:08:24,600 --> 02:08:27,000
Speaker 7: did you put your dirty ass lips on it? He

3020
02:08:27,080 --> 02:08:28,800
Speaker 7: said he didn't, So I was like, okay, thank you.

3021
02:08:29,760 --> 02:08:31,840
Speaker 2: Well that went places, all right, that's the end of

3022
02:08:31,880 --> 02:08:34,240
Speaker 2: the show and our careers. We'll see you later.