1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: Welcome to Inside the Draft, a weekly preview of the 2 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: upcoming NFL Draft with insiders from around the country. 3 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 2: Welcome everybody, our fourth installment of Inside the Draft here 4 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,920 Speaker 2: on colts dot Com and the Colts Audio Network. I'm 5 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 2: Matt Taylor. Thanks for coming back. I'm joined with Casey 6 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 2: Valier inside the Indiana Union Construction Industry radio studio. Free 7 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 2: Agency in the NFL's in full swing. It's ever ongoing, 8 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 2: but the NFL Draft will be upon us in no time. 9 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 2: We are officially four weeks away. First round action unfolds 10 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 2: on Thursday, April twenty fifth, and that's why we're here today. 11 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 2: It's another chance to hear from a national insider on 12 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 2: the Colts, their needs and different positions of depth going 13 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 2: into this draft. And the Colts currently have seven picks, 14 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 2: one in each round, including the fifteenth overall selection in 15 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: round number one. Joining us today one of our favorite 16 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 2: if it's Luke Easterling, NFL draft analysts for Athlon Sports. 17 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 2: Check him out on Twitter at Luke Easterling, all one 18 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 2: word there and Athlonsports dot Com. Luke, always good to 19 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 2: have you back this time of year talking draft, and 20 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,559 Speaker 2: like I said, we're a month away from the draft. 21 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 2: How geeked up are you? You start getting amped up 22 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,759 Speaker 2: right now? The combine's over, most of the pro days 23 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 2: are in the books as well. It's go time here. 24 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is, man. This is like a month 25 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: long Christmas Eves for those of us that love this 26 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: process and again are lucky enough to do it for 27 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: a job too. You know, I look back at how 28 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: excited I was when I was a kid when this 29 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: time of year we'd come around, and that really hasn't 30 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: change now that I do it for a living. It's 31 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: pretty cool, man. But yeah, I love every bit of it. 32 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: There's always that, you know, once you get within a month, 33 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: you're a little bit frantic. You know, you're like, oh this, 34 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: you know, this is we still have a bunch of 35 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: this stuff to get done and quite a bit of 36 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: hay to get into the barn. But I love every 37 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,279 Speaker 1: bit of it. Man, It's so cool, and the draft 38 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: process as a whole, it's just it's so much fun. 39 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: All the fan bases get to be involved and everybody 40 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: gets to be hopeful for the upcoming season. You get 41 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: to see all these players realizing, you know, lifelong dreams 42 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:09,839 Speaker 1: to make it to the league. Is there's so much 43 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 1: about the draft that I think has always made it 44 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,959 Speaker 1: such a fun event for really everybody attached to the league. 45 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: And I think that's why why so many people get 46 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: so excited about it, why it's become such a big 47 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: event for everybody. 48 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 2: How hard is it for you, I mean not to 49 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 2: mention you know, the gms and the scouts, you know, 50 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,679 Speaker 2: the front office personnel that are you know, pulling the 51 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 2: trigger on these on these draft picks, But how hard 52 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 2: is it for you to not get paralysis by analysis 53 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 2: this time of year? Because, like we just said, Combine's 54 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 2: over all the film has been watched. You know, how 55 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 2: hard is it now that most of the analysis is 56 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 2: over not to overthink things, despite the fact that we 57 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 2: still have, you know, three or four weeks before we 58 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 2: get to the first round on Thursday night. 59 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, honestly, you know, the best thing for 60 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:53,679 Speaker 1: people in my line of work to do this time 61 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: of year is is to kind of kind of understand 62 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: and clearly define what we're doing throughout the process, right because, 63 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: like you said, so much much of the work is 64 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: done in terms of evaluating who the players are and 65 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: what they can do. I think this time of year, 66 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: it's important to articulate to our readers, our listeners that 67 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: the changes that happen in the way we present the 68 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: information nowadays, this time of year, it's always about what 69 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: we're learning about how the teams view these guys. Right, 70 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: That's the big difference is, you know, I can create 71 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: a big board and make you know, give you the 72 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:30,839 Speaker 1: top three hundred players that I think you know rank 73 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: in a certain way from a big picture standpoint, but 74 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: that's so far removed and so different from what each 75 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: individual team is doing in their own draft rooms. Right, 76 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: you have thirty two very different ways of looking at 77 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: these prospects, thirty two different schemes, thirty two different sets 78 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: of team needs, thirty two different you know, where is 79 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: our team and their current state? You know, are we contending, 80 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: are we rebuilding? There's so many different things that impact, 81 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: you know, how those team boards are stacked, and also 82 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: information that the teams are privy that we're not in 83 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: the media in terms of medical evaluations and you know, 84 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: interviews behind the scenes and all the research that they do. 85 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: So you know, this time of year, I think for 86 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: those of us that cover the event and cover the league, 87 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: it's more about trying to find out information about how 88 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,559 Speaker 1: the teams are viewing certain guys and what could happen 89 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,799 Speaker 1: at each pick than it is really changing anything about 90 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: how we view the players and the prospects themselves. And 91 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: that's again part of the fun of the draft process 92 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: is marrying those two things together and seeing how it 93 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 1: all plays out on Draft weekend. 94 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 3: Now, Luke, you talk about all of those pieces coming together, 95 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 3: and one of the big dominoes that just recently fell 96 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 3: was the Bears trading justin Fields essentially now declaring Cayleb 97 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 3: Williams is definitely going to be our guy, which is, 98 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 3: you know, kind of the favorite to go. 99 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:45,239 Speaker 1: There at one. 100 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 3: When you look at the other teams that are quarterback needy, 101 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 3: this is kind of Colts specific in a way because 102 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 3: the Colts, arguing with Anthony Richardson, aren't going in that 103 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 3: direction at fifteen. But it seems like there's so many 104 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 3: quarterback needy teams. Where do you think this draft is 105 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 3: going to start, Because it looks like it might go one, two, three, four. 106 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 3: Is there another team that might slide up there and 107 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 3: take another quarterback? 108 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think the team that would slide 109 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: up to get the next quarterback would be the fourth one, right, 110 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: I think whoever it is. Again we assume Kayleb Williams 111 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: is going one, but those next three Jayden Daniels from LSU, 112 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 1: Drake May from North Carolina, and now JJ McCarthy from Michigan, 113 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: which again everybody will see. You know, JJ McCarthy's flying 114 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: up the draft board. This is really just the media 115 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 1: catching up to the fact that the league has always 116 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: viewed him very highly. And that's that's what it means 117 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: this time of year, when someone's rising up the board, 118 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: it means all of us in the media are just 119 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: catching up to what has always been the case within 120 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 1: the league circles. So you know, those four guys going 121 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: top four, top five would be historic first of all, 122 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: but also, man, you speak about the Colts not being 123 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: in that boat in terms of needing a quarterback. If 124 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: you are a team that is picking in the top 125 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 1: ten to fifteen, you are ecstatic about the development of 126 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: seeing four quarterbacks come off the board in the first 127 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: four or five. I mean, you could the best players 128 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: in the draft outside of the quarterbacks still on the 129 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: board at five. You know, look at those teams that 130 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:08,799 Speaker 1: are up there, even Arizona at four if they stay 131 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 1: there five, if it's the Chargers, whoever doesn't trade out 132 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 1: of that spot with whoever's looking for a quarterback. And 133 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 1: you've got Marvin Harrison Junior sitting there at four or five, 134 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 1: when when he's widely regarded I think as the best 135 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: overall player in this draft. You got the tackles, you know, 136 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: you got Joe alt there, you got we might we 137 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: could go in entire top ten without a defensive player, right, 138 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: I think I think there's really maybe one spot where 139 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: a defensive player might make sense, and that barring any 140 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: other moves. So you know, I think that the draft 141 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: does start with you know who moves up for that 142 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: fourth quarterback? Assuming the first three go in the top 143 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 1: three picks, how do those the top three receivers come 144 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: off the board? Do they generate any movement with teams 145 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: trying to trade up and get them? And then you know, 146 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: the receiver class in the quarterback class is still elite 147 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: at the top, right, you got three to four quarterbacks. 148 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: Top three receivers are fantastic. Those second tier have some 149 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: intriguing guys at both positions too, But how long will 150 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: teams wait? Right? If you're Denver at twelve, it's your 151 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,679 Speaker 1: Vegas at thirteen. Did they take bow Nix or Michael 152 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: Pennix junior? Do they wade into that second tier of quarterbacks? 153 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: And if you're in the top, you know, fifteen or 154 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: twenty after those top three receivers have gone, do you 155 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: take a receiver that high knowing that you might be 156 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: able to get a similar player in the second round 157 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: because that class is so deep. I think that's just 158 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: intriguing to me about those position groups. Now. 159 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 3: Now, one final thing I want to talk about on 160 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 3: the quarterbacks that you mentioned with JJ McCarthy, why do 161 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 3: you think it's been so you know, as you talk 162 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 3: about this rise here late, where NFL circles have already 163 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 3: been high on him, why has this been such a 164 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 3: late from everybody else on JJ McCarthy. 165 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: I think it's just sample size. I think that when 166 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: you compare him to the other top quarterbacks in this draft, 167 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: he's had a phenomenal defense at Michigan. He had a 168 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: very run heavy offense that never really required him to 169 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: put forth the volume as a passer that all the 170 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: other top guys in this class. Have you look at 171 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: Kayleb Williams, and Daniels in May and even Nix and 172 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: Pennix Junior. They threw the ball so many more times 173 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: than JJ McCarthy had to in that offense, and where 174 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: that can be a detriment to his, you know, his 175 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: draft stock because you are looking at sample size and 176 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: there's just not enough there. You know, you want to 177 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: see opportunities where he has put regularly in position to 178 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: put the team on his back, to generate the offense 179 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: through him, and he was more of a distributor, more 180 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: of a point guard, more of that. You know, Brock 181 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: Purty mold of, I'm going to take advantage of the 182 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: talent around me, and I think what we've discovered throughout 183 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: this process is those those flashes of brilliance that he 184 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: had with the arm talent, with the athleticism, with the 185 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: decision making, the accuracy. You know, there were enough of 186 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: those moments that the NFL, I think has realized, Hey, 187 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: you know, he may not have had to do that 188 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,199 Speaker 1: very often, but when he did, when it was required 189 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: of him, did he step up? And absolutely he did, 190 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: especially if you look at the playoff, you look at 191 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: the plays he made in that Alabama game in the 192 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: Rose Bowl, and then obviously leading your team to a 193 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 1: national championship in an undefeated season. I think those things 194 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: have carried a lot of weight with the people making 195 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: the decisions in the league, and I think they see 196 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,719 Speaker 1: enough there in those moments to be like, Hey, that 197 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: would actually be the rule and not the exception if 198 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: we put more on his plate and we'd require more 199 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: of him in our offense. And I think that's what 200 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: we've come to learn. 201 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, Luke, let's center in on the Colts. What are 202 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 2: your biggest draft needs that you have for the Colts 203 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 2: going into late April? 204 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: You know, I think obviously the long term deal for 205 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: Michael Pittman junior really sets them up well at wide receiver. 206 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of Josh Downs and Alec Pierce still, 207 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: so I really feel like they've got a strong core 208 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: at receiver that you know, if you look back at 209 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: a lot of mock drafts in January February earlier in 210 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: this process, a lot of them had them going receiver 211 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 1: early there at fifteen, and I think now that they 212 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: don't have to do that, and they could really wait 213 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: till Day two, maybe if somebody drops to them against 214 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: the deep class and they could add some depth there 215 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: if the talent falls to them. But I really think 216 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 1: that the biggest needs are on the defensive side of 217 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: the ball. I think, you know, Barrings, something like brock 218 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: Bowers falling to them at fifteen or something like that, 219 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: where I feel like they could just go pure talent 220 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 1: and say, hey, let's give Anthony Richardson another fun weapon 221 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 1: that can help in a different way. I really think 222 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: you're looking at edge, you know, looking for a pass 223 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: rusher off the edge. I think you're looking in the secondary. 224 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: Obviously don't see a safety coming off the board that 225 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: high in the first round, but I think corner will 226 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,719 Speaker 1: be a really strong spot for them. We could get 227 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: to fifteen and only have one corner off the board 228 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: at that point, and so I think the value and 229 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: the need will really meet in terms of finding an 230 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: edge rusher, which again Dallas Turner from Alabama might be 231 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: the only one off the board at that point. You're 232 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: talking about Jared Verse from Florida State, Leatu Latsu from UCLA, 233 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: Tod Robinson from Penn State. There's a lot of talent there. 234 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: Corner Quinion Mitchell from Toledo probably gone by then, but 235 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 1: Terry On Arnold from Alabama I think would be a 236 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: great fit. Nate Wiggins from Clemson. Again, I think then 237 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: the match of need and value on the board really 238 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: points to edge and corner there. 239 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:00,439 Speaker 2: All right, this is an exercise I like to do 240 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 2: because you talked about corner, and that's position that's been 241 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 2: highly mocked to the Colts because of everything that you 242 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 2: just accurately described. So let's take the top guys and 243 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 2: then you maybe give me the separation between them in 244 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 2: terms of how you have them evaluated, if you will. 245 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 2: You talked about Mitchell, tarry On, Arnold, Nate Wiggins. Let's 246 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 2: throw in kool aid and McKinstry in there as well. Well, 247 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 2: what's the separation from those guys in terms of options 248 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 2: for the Colts if they want to go cornerback at 249 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 2: pick number fifteen, knowing that there is a drop off 250 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 2: of that position compared to the depth of talent that 251 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 2: might be there later in the draft at wide receiver 252 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 2: per se. 253 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I think honestly, if I had to 254 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: rank the position groups in terms of depth, I would 255 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: if I want, if I'm the Colts, I want to 256 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 1: be able to get a top edge rusher first, because 257 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: I really don't think the depth is there on day 258 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: two at all. I think there's going to be some 259 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 1: solid depth at corner, which I'll get to in the 260 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: second I think the depth of receiver is going to 261 00:11:56,559 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: be ridiculous. I think the only caveat there. I think 262 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 1: a lot of teams at the top of the second 263 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: round are going to eat up some of that depth 264 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: in the early second round before the Colts will be 265 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: able to get one. But edge is where I would 266 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: want to go in the first round. If I can't 267 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: get the guy I want, then corner in terms of 268 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,719 Speaker 1: that separation, I'd feel comfortable getting a guy on day two. 269 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: But if any of those top three to four guys 270 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 1: that again we've already mentioned, I think Arnold. I think 271 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: Mitchell is probably gone because I think he's the most 272 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: complete guy who has had the best process. Right when 273 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: you check the film, it's fantastic. You check the production, 274 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: it's fantastic, making big plays and limiting big plays. When 275 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: you check the Senior Bowl tape, he might have been 276 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: the best overall player at the entire Senior Bowl that 277 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: whole week. And then you look at the combine and 278 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: he dominated the combine as an athlete too, so I 279 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: think that's that's why I think he's cornerback one for 280 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: most people and the most likely to be off the 281 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: board by fifteen. Arnold, I think, is again a very 282 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: complete player, very smart, instinctive player that I think would 283 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: be a great fit for them there. I think those 284 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 1: two guys are the top tier at corner For me, 285 00:12:58,200 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 1: I think those two guys are in their own tier. 286 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: Don't think there's a big gap between the next one, 287 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: but those are the two guys I would feel most 288 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: comfortable taken in the top fifteen to top twenty. Nate Wiggins. 289 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: You know, when you start to get away from those 290 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 1: top guys that are that are complete, there's always something 291 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: that kind of holds a guy back, right, And with 292 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: Nate Wiggins, it's a guy who is tall but doesn't 293 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: have super long arms, and he's also really really lean, 294 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, he's I think the combine he 295 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: was in the one seventies. I know he was up 296 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: into the one eighties at at his pro day, which 297 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: is very very good. But you're talking about a guy 298 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: with elite speed, great instincts and ball skills, knows how 299 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:35,199 Speaker 1: to make big plays, knows how to find the en zone. 300 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 1: When he's got the ball in his hands, it's just 301 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: a matter of can can he put on some weight 302 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,079 Speaker 1: and can he retain the speed that makes him so 303 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: impactful as a playmaker. I think that's that's really the 304 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: caveat with with Wiggins and then with kool Aid McKinstry. Again, 305 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: he's dealing with a foot injury now, but he's playing 306 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: through it. I think he's a guy that s team wise. 307 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: I think he's probably best as kind of an off coverage, 308 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: you know, cover three type of guy. I know he's 309 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: the tools to be a press guy. The consistency with 310 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: the technique is what needs to be improved for him. 311 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 1: There and the other guy would throw in there is 312 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: Cooper Degene from Iowa. Have a wild card because he 313 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: might be one of the most versatile athletic players in 314 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: the draft. 315 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 2: Ros return. 316 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, but where do you where do you want him? 317 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: Where is he best? You know, if you really need 318 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: a classic, you know, put him on the outside and 319 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: forget about and let him shut down one side of 320 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: the field corner. I'm not sure he's your guy, but 321 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: if you want to be able to move him around 322 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: and get creative with your defense, he can line up outside, 323 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: he can line up in the slot, he can line 324 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: up defense safety, He played linebacker at times for Iowa. 325 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: They moved him all over the place. And again with 326 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: the new kickoff rule, you know, kind of prioritizing and 327 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: giving you an opportunity to to highlight the return ability 328 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: of the players. The fact that he was a big 329 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: play return guy, like you said for the Hawk guys 330 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: could play into that evaluation as well. So he's he's 331 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: not as much of a traditional prospect in that he's 332 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: just a pure outside corner, but a creative defensive coordinator 333 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: would really want to get their hands and a guy 334 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: like that. 335 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 3: Now, when you talk about defensive end, that could be 336 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 3: an area where you mentioned the Colts could target there 337 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 3: at fifteen a guy like Lutolat too out of UCLA 338 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 3: with the injury concern, how much of a red flag 339 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 3: is that because it looked like once he came back 340 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 3: from the neck injury, he appeared to be, you know, 341 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 3: totally fine and had a very productive couple of years. 342 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, he really did. And I think he is the 343 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: defensive version of Michael Pennock junior this year where it's 344 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: you know, the injury thing happened earlier in his career 345 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: and since he you know, he's gone a while now 346 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: without having any issues with it, much like Pennis has, right, 347 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: And so I think the issue is for me, it's again, 348 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: we don't have access to the medicals. Right. It's really 349 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: going to come down to teams doing their own due diligence, 350 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: having their own doctors look at it and say, hey, 351 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: this is you know, something we don't think is going 352 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: to be an issue, or it's something that you know, 353 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: if it is an issue, everybody is at risk of injury. Right. 354 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: You play a physical sport. You could take a guy 355 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: who's never been injured before at all, and he could 356 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: still get injured. So, you know it, you have to 357 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: balance all of those things when you're talking about the player. 358 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: I mean, if if if we weren't talking about this 359 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: and he hadn't had that issue, or the film tells 360 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: us he's probably a top ten pick. I mean, he's 361 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: probably the most polished edge rusher in terms of just 362 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: getting to the quarterback with his hand, usage of technique. 363 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: His pass rushing moves are so so advanced for a 364 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: guy coming out of college that I think it kind 365 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: of overcomes He's not the athlete that Dallas Turner is, 366 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: but he is such a technician and knows how to 367 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: set up his lockers to fail. I mean, he makes 368 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: how often the tackles look silly on film all the time. 369 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: And so I think, if you're comfortable with the medicals, 370 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: you're comfortable with the fact that, like you said, that 371 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: that had happened in the past. But he's stayed healthy 372 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: and he's been dominant ever since he's been back on 373 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: the field at UCLA. So I think if the medicals 374 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: are comfortable, him going in the top fifteen shouldn't be 375 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: crazy at all because the film back set up. 376 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 3: Now, Luke final think from me, I want, I want 377 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 3: to talk about a guy who a year ago, at 378 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 3: this time, he was thought to be maybe the top, 379 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 3: you know, outside of Marvin Harrison Junior, one of the 380 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 3: top receivers in Keon Coleman. What happened to Keon Coleman? 381 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 3: Why is he not thought of as one of these 382 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 3: top five can't miss wide receiver prospects. 383 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: You know, I think it really just comes down to 384 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 1: questions about his pure long speed. You know, I think 385 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 1: obviously you've got the size of the physicality he wins 386 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: at the catch point, really really well. It's going to 387 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: be dominant in the red zone. You know that he's 388 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 1: going to be a great possession receiver. I think he's 389 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 1: a faster football player than he is a track star, 390 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 1: which which I think is borne out by the all 391 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: the data that we can get at now right where 392 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: we can track guys, you know, miles per hour during 393 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 1: the game and on places as opposed to just run 394 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: in a forty yard dash. So you know, I still 395 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: think he could sneak into the first round, probably coming 396 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: off the board early in the second if I had 397 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: to make a bet. But I think it's it's it's 398 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: about that. I think it's about, you know, being more 399 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 1: polished and consistent with his route running. A lot of 400 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: those bigger receivers have some trouble creating separation at the 401 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: top of their routes against some of those dbs that 402 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 1: are just so fluid and able to click and close 403 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: so fast. I think when you've got a bigger, more 404 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: physical guy, he does those things well as a big 405 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,719 Speaker 1: receiver and can be open even when he's covered, so 406 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: to speak. I think that when you compare him to 407 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: that second tier of guys, you know, Brian Thomas has 408 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: the side size, but he also has elite speed. He 409 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: is also a field stretching guy. You compare him to 410 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: you know, the two Texas guys Adi Mitchell and Xavier Worthy, 411 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: and obviously they have the speed over him, and again, 412 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 1: very sharp route runners, very fluid rout runners who can 413 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: create separation and then make plays after the catch. I 414 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: think that's what probably knocks him back behind those guys 415 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: is is that lack of elite speed and he's just 416 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 1: not quite as polished and sharp as a route runner 417 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 1: in his size. 418 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 2: Casey, I feel like we can't do a draft interview 419 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,880 Speaker 2: with Luke without asking him about brock Bowers. Yeah, everything 420 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 2: about the draft has to be about brock Bowers. I 421 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 2: mean you mentioned him in passing there, Luke. You know, 422 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 2: in terms of if he's available there at fifteen for 423 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 2: the Colts, you got to think long and hard about 424 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 2: drafting him at that position. So let me give you 425 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 2: a tru or false, Luke, and then I'll just have 426 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 2: you go at at the brock Bauers a slam dunk. 427 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 2: He's going to be one of the best tight ends 428 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 2: in the NFL next season as a rookie. True or 429 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 2: false on that Luke true. 430 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: I think that he again, as long as he doesn't 431 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: suffer the fate of Kyle Pitts the last few years, 432 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: where he ends up in an offense that just has 433 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,199 Speaker 1: no idea what to do with him, which still confuses me. 434 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: I think there's just no way. And again, if you're 435 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 1: investing a top ten, top fifteen picking that guy, you'd 436 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 1: like to think you have a plan to maximize that talent. 437 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: But you know, Atlanta with Kyle Pitts kind of tells 438 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: us that doesn't always happen. But no, I think when 439 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 1: you're talking about the player, you're talking about a top 440 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: five to seven overall talent in this class. And again 441 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: that's saying something considering some of the talent we have 442 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: at the other positions. But I mean, he reminds me 443 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: so much of George kittle Man. He reminds me so much. Again, 444 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: even George Kittle wasn't George Kittle coming out. He was 445 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,199 Speaker 1: a fifth round pick because he just didn't have a 446 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,719 Speaker 1: ton of opportunities to catch the football in that IOWA offense, 447 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: not the case in Georgia obviously. Honestly, I think what 448 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: reminds me so much about Kittle is that he is 449 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: also a really good blocker. You have to be in 450 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: that Georgia offense, right, You've got to be able to 451 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: block or you're not going to be on the field, 452 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: even as a pass catcher. So he's just so versatile 453 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: you can line him up and not kind of give 454 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: anything away with your formations. Regardless of where you line 455 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: him up. He's such a great route runner. He creates separation, 456 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: and he is just an absolute nightmare after the catch. 457 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 1: He's not easy to tackle, he eliminates angles, he's got 458 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: enough speed. Again, he's very different from Kyle Pitts, and 459 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 1: that Kyle Pitts is just a really tall, lanky, slightly 460 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: bigger wide receiver. You know, I feel like Bowers at 461 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 1: his side. He's six four two forty five. He's kind 462 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: of an undersized tight end by today's standards. But he's 463 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: just he's so good after the catch. He's so smooth 464 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: as a player. And again, he's so versatile. He can 465 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: he can give you the contributions in the run game 466 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 1: to be able to not give anything away with your formations. 467 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: And I just feel like, again projecting him to the 468 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 1: Colts in particular, and what he could bring to that 469 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: offense with Richardson, with Taylor, with Pittman back with again 470 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: those those other two young receivers in Pearson downs that piece, 471 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: putting it into that offense, with the way that that 472 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: the coaching staff and the scheme has has proven they 473 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: can get the most out of their guys. I would 474 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: just love to see that. Like I played fantasy football 475 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: and like from a dynasty Fantasy footballnet. Come on, wow, 476 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: brock Bauers in that offense, man, sign me up in 477 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: that all day? 478 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 2: All right, we know where Luke's going in terms of 479 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 2: fantasy football. There at the top of the draft. That's 480 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 2: Luke Easterling, NFL draft analyst for Athlon Sports. And you're 481 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 2: based in Tampa and and and doing some digging on 482 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 2: you there, Luke on the dark web last night sniffing 483 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 2: around on the athlon sports website athlonsports dot com. Uh, 484 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 2: I came across your bio. I don't know how long 485 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 2: ago this this was or how applicable it is now, 486 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 2: but I read where you play the drums? Is that right? 487 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 2: Are you a musician? You play the drums as well? 488 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 1: Luke? Come on, now, I do I do, man, My 489 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: brothers and I we had a we had a rock 490 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 1: band down here in Tampa. Okay. We made we recorded 491 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 1: an album. It's out there. We've we've put out music before. 492 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: I've still got the drums in the garage and thankfully 493 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 1: my neighbors are really kind about it. But nice. I 494 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 1: still light them up pretty often. Man. That a boy 495 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: something I love to do. 496 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:15,360 Speaker 2: What what kind of would drum set? 497 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 1: What? 498 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 2: What brand we talking here? You got some tamas or what? 499 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: No? I have a I have a PDP X seven 500 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: so it's a seven piece. There you go. I've got 501 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: these beautiful mine old dark custom symbols that are like 502 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: black and gold. Man, They're they're beautiful. I love my 503 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 1: kids so much. 504 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 2: Man, that's awesome. What was the name of your band? 505 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: The band's called Despite Distance. You can find go find 506 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: look up YouTube. There's a bunch of fun live videos 507 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: of us having a lot of fun. Yeah, great time 508 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: in my life, man, I missing a lot. 509 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 2: That's awesome. We got a regular Alex van Halen here 510 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 2: or like le Von Elm on the podcast as well. 511 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 2: Again one more time, despite distance? Is that right? Despite distance? 512 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: That's it. 513 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,679 Speaker 2: There you go, baby, We're gonna check that out on 514 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 2: YouTube and Spotify. We're gonna lead in with that next 515 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 2: time we have you on here on the podcast. That's 516 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 2: good stuff. 517 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: You're welcome to do it. I have your full artistic 518 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: rights to the music to use on the pot anyway, 519 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:07,199 Speaker 1: we'll just. 520 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 2: Ask for a permission. Don't sue us, Luke, that's not 521 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 2: what we're in for here. This is a happy conversation 522 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 2: that we like to do every year regarding the draft, 523 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 2: and now we can talk some music next time we 524 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 2: have you on, which will hopefully be soon. Luke Easterling, 525 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 2: NFL draft analysts for Athlon Sports. He's a drumming sensation. 526 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 2: He's the Dave Grohl of the Tampa area and a 527 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 2: Ringo Star disciple. Luke, thanks so much for the time, man. 528 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 2: You're a good sport about everything. The INSIGHT's amazing and 529 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 2: check out your work at athlonsports dot com. Enjoy the 530 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 2: rest of draft season and leave your phone on. We'd 531 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 2: like to do this again soon if you don't mind. 532 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: Hey. Always a pleasure, guys, you enjoy it too.