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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Andy and Samantha.

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Speaker 2: I'm welcome stuff I never told you production of iHeart Radio,

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Speaker 2: and welcome to the second episode of our seven episode

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Speaker 2: mini series we are doing on season two of the

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Speaker 2: Last of Us, which is not a sponsor. As ridiculous

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Speaker 2: as that isous it is very ridiculous. If you're familiar

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Speaker 2: with this segment, then you know basically what we're doing

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Speaker 2: is we're reacting to the previous week's episode, and we're

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Speaker 2: only spoiling that episode plus the previous season, the first game,

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Speaker 2: and parts of the second game, but not plotline parts.

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Speaker 2: We're being very careful here. Yeah, we're trying our best.

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Speaker 2: I think we're doing a pretty good job so far.

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Speaker 2: But yes, this is just a special thing we're doing.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully you enjoy it even if you haven't watched the

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Speaker 2: show or played the game, although maybe not for this episode,

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Speaker 2: which we'll talk about. But yeah, there's only seven and

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Speaker 2: then we'll eventually get to season three because they're splitting

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Speaker 2: the second game into at least two seasons, and I

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Speaker 2: personally think it's going to be three seasons, but we

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Speaker 2: will see. That is what we're doing here. I did

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Speaker 2: want to say before we get into this one. The

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Speaker 2: Showwriners have called this the Empire strikes Back season, so

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Speaker 2: make of that what you will. Also, this is why

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Speaker 2: I need a fandom therapist. I looked it up. There

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Speaker 2: are fandom therapists, but really they're just like therapists that

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Speaker 2: no fandoms. I need to tell me why this upsets

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Speaker 2: you so much? When XYZ happens in this game, That's

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Speaker 2: what I need. But anyway, please see your past episodes.

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Speaker 2: But the way these works is Samantha gives the recap

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Speaker 2: and then I go through all of my thoughts. Anaya

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Speaker 2: have a lot of thoughts about this one, for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, she has many thoughts.

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Speaker 3: I did not count the oh no's because there was

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Speaker 3: too many guts.

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Speaker 2: There's a yeah, I think I guessed the very first moment.

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Speaker 1: You did before I even even I think it started.

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Speaker 1: I was like, really.

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Speaker 2: Because the sound effect, I was like.

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Speaker 3: Immediately like it was like nothing had happened except for

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Speaker 1: So I did not get keep count.

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Speaker 3: But I do have some amazing pictures of you and

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Speaker 3: your friends are friends friends of the show. Marissa and

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Speaker 3: Katie's reaction and it's quite hilarious.

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Speaker 1: It is a tale there they are tales. But here

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Speaker 1: we go. Are you ready any Yeah? Sure you ready?

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Speaker 3: We open to a scene of a dream or not.

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Speaker 3: Abby is going down the hospital corridors because she's hearing

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Speaker 3: the alarms and as she's going down hearing snipe likes

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Speaker 3: someone say, don't do don't go in there, because she

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Speaker 3: as hers herself and then she's saying, don't go in there,

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Speaker 3: don't go in there. You'll regret this. Don't go in there,

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Speaker 3: and they're like, you're lying. She's saying that you're lying,

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Speaker 3: As the light shines down on them because apparently, I

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Speaker 3: So they have a hole back and forth for a

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Speaker 3: We come to back to Jackson. We see Ellie being

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Speaker 3: I knew I don't care type of thing, and then

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Speaker 1: We're fine.

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Speaker 3: Joel's Joel, I am me and we're fine. It's just

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Speaker 3: to us. So they go to the cantina where Seth

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Speaker 3: apologizes with a steak sandwich and we had we had

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Speaker 3: a stake sandwich Annie the first episode, thinking that episode

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but we are Yeah, I had to come back

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Speaker 3: We were all also off on the second one. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: And then we flash onto finding Abby. He's still traveling

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Speaker 3: She loses her gun and she goes into the middle

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Speaker 3: And it was really a scary scene. She's looking around like,

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Speaker 3: And then we hear a gunshot and it's Joel and

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Speaker 1: So Dina and Joel and Abby are all together. Oh

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Speaker 1: We can make it.

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Speaker 3: So they're like make a decision, grab onto each other

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Speaker 1: Essentially, Wow, this is going down, and oh my god.

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Speaker 3: We see the giant floater, like the really big messy

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Speaker 2: You know. The other one is Seth I killed.

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Speaker 1: Does he die in the game?

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Speaker 2: I don't think he see him again in the game.

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Speaker 1: Uh, and they're trying to all fight uh these floaters.

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Speaker 1: We go back to Abby and Dina. Because it's a

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Speaker 3: So we go back and Abby and Dina and Joel

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Speaker 1: Dina is noticing.

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Speaker 3: Nina is very aware of everything, watching looking at people,

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Speaker 2: the roots, which is new to the show as well.

436
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,880
Speaker 2: But I didn't notice this until I was watching something later.

437
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 2: But when the Bloat, which is the big one, is coming,

438
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 2: Tommy notices that they all start following all the other

439
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,439
Speaker 2: infected called runners start following the bloater because they know

440
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 2: the Bloater can break in to the break in, so

441
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 2: they're making strategic choices. Now they're smarter now.

442
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,360
Speaker 1: They did address in the episode about the ghost.

443
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 2: Story, yes, but they really and then like that scene

444
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 2: where they're all chasing after Abby and Joel and Dina

445
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,199
Speaker 2: and then they kind of branch off, like it's like

446
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:34,679
Speaker 2: a fish school coming together. They're coming together in a

447
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 2: way that's very scary. And the Bloater and the game

448
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 2: is like very difficult. And by the way, they also

449
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 2: explode when they die, so everybody, we were all screaming

450
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 2: out the TV like, no, Tommy's gonna die. But they

451
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 2: got rid of that for the show. So Tommy is fine.

452
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,120
Speaker 2: But like the flame throwers one of your most powerful weapons.

453
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,160
Speaker 2: You get it at the end of both games, and

454
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 2: for Tommy, the slame thur in the game also is

455
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 2: only a campfire kind of amount of fuel, but he

456
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:13,679
Speaker 2: had two like full canisters of gas and this floater

457
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 2: was not going down, So that suggests that they're evolving

458
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 2: and becoming stronger to humanity's defenses. Also, I have to say,

459
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 2: well that you hear that growl of the Bloater.

460
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 3: I was like, well, the coming, before we could see it,

461
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,120
Speaker 3: she kept saying it's coming.

462
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 1: I hear the Bloater.

463
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 3: One thing we do have in our house because my

464
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 3: partner really really gets excited about sound, is a pseudo

465
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 3: surround sound set up, so you do have that like

466
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 3: background noise and then behind you.

467
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,679
Speaker 2: Yes, but that sounds so ingrained. You're like, he's just

468
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 2: around here, somewhere. But also I did love and I

469
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 2: think your partner pointed this out too, but there's this

470
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 2: scene where you can when the blower is coming for

471
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 2: Tommy on like a one on one fight, you can

472
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:09,360
Speaker 2: see its reflection in the window. That was cool. That

473
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 2: was really cool. This isn't I guess this isn't part

474
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 2: of the big battle scene, but I'm gonna include it

475
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 2: because it was a pretty big set piece. But the

476
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 2: scene where Abby is crawling under the fence and it's

477
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 2: like collapsing under all of those infected is like straight

478
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 2: from the game, and it's terrifying because you're kind of crawling, which,

479
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 2: by the way, you do play as Abby. We're gonna

480
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,400
Speaker 2: talk about that in a second, but at this point

481
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 2: you're playing Zabby and you're crawling under and that was

482
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 2: really good. I also just want to kind of flag

483
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 2: the dogs. So the second game introduces this very terrifying

484
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 2: functionality where people have have dogs that can smell you

485
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 2: when you're hiding, so you can't just like hide in

486
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 2: the bushes like I like to do. The dog will

487
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 2: find you, so you have to either run or kill

488
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 2: the dog. I don't know. I don't know what they're

489
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 2: going to do in the show, but I will say

490
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 2: if they follow the game, there is going to be

491
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 2: at least one dog death. Yes, I mean, I'll try

492
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 2: to warn everybody once we get to that. If I

493
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 2: think they're going to do it, I'll try to warn you.

494
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 2: But I don't know. I have no idea. But that's

495
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 2: that is a new thing they introduced in the second game.

496
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 2: But it was really cool. It was really cool. It

497
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 2: felt very helms deeper Game of Thrones, and I did

498
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 2: like seeing how prepared they were. And it was also

499
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 2: kind of so sad because even with all those preparations,

500
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 2: just the carnage, absolute carnage, and Jackson is not in

501
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 2: a good shape, which again this did not happen in

502
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 2: the game. None of this happened in the game. I

503
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 2: think they added it in both because of the you know,

504
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 2: people will like it, but I think they also put

505
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,719
Speaker 2: it in there because it added a lot more drama

506
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 2: in terms of we had so many moving pieces, everybody's

507
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 2: in danger, we don't know what's gonna happen, right, And

508
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 2: it was effective. It happened so fast, and it's like

509
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 2: bouncing back between so many things.

510
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 3: Uh, they did please a lot of drama in one

511
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 3: episode an hour.

512
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 2: It's only an hour, so I did want to touch

513
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 2: on some key differences before we get to the big

514
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 2: the big thing we must talk about. Uh. So one is,

515
00:27:51,560 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 2: as we mentioned, in the game, Jesse, it's Tommy and

516
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 2: Joel that go on patrol together, and it's Ellie and

517
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 2: Dina bank go on patrol together. And then Jesse later

518
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 2: finds Ellie and Dina at Eugen's hideout and he's like,

519
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 2: oh God, we can't find Joel and Tommy. So that's different.

520
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 2: I have a couple of reasons for why I think

521
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 2: that is, but I will say, you know, when Abby's

522
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 2: doing her like hey, here are names, Dina definitely picked

523
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 2: up on that and remembers all their names, which I

524
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,239
Speaker 2: believe is replacing a mechanic in the game where you

525
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 2: find all their photos. So I think it's okay, yeah,

526
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 2: because she knows she knows all their names, she saw

527
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 2: the patch. And another one, a huge one that I'm

528
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about more in a second, is

529
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 2: that in the show, you know Abby's motivation in the game,

530
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: you do not at all. You have no idea. You've

531
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 2: got your theories, but you have got no clue, and

532
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 2: it can it kind of completely changes how that scene

533
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 2: plays out. Then, Yes, the destruction of Jackson, that's new.

534
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 2: I do think it's a pretty stark reminder that they're

535
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 2: not safe and they got kind of complacent. I mean,

536
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 2: obviously they were prepared, but they just had a lot

537
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 2: of stuff that a lot of people outside of Jackson

538
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 2: don't have. They had this nice celebration the night before.

539
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 2: So when Joel sees Jackson on fire and he makes

540
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 2: the choice ultimately to trust Staddy or be like, okay,

541
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 2: we'll go with you, that, I mean that kind of

542
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 2: makes it worse that he dies, not knowing just knowing

543
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 2: that Jackson.

544
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: There's so many things.

545
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 2: I know, It's awful, so bad. I love it though,

546
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: but yeah, he dies like knowing Jackson's on fire and

547
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 2: all the people he loves are there, and but also

548
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 2: Ellie is right there and watching it, so that is different.

549
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 2: I read some interesting I was watching a good breakdown

550
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 2: of it today and I also read that you know

551
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 2: kind of when Jesse and Ellie go out and they

552
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 2: see the storm and they're like, oh no, it would

553
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: be fine, we don't worry about it, and it turns

554
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,959
Speaker 2: out they definitely did. But also Abby is in the mountain,

555
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 2: so it's sort of like dismissing this threat that was

556
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 2: up there, and Abby unintentionally is the one that awakens

557
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 2: all of those infected when she falls down, and Abby

558
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 2: was there for Joel. So it's just kind of a

559
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:48,239
Speaker 2: mess of the fallout of the decisions these characters make,

560
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 2: which is sort of something we're going to see a

561
00:30:50,720 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: lot of coming work. But all right, let's talk about

562
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 2: the big thing, Joel's death. Oh man, oh my gosh.

563
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 2: Like I said, I'm really relieved it's out there. I'm

564
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 2: so ready to talk about it. I have gotten so

565
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: many texts about it, including from people I haven't heard

566
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 2: from literally two years. Didn't even say what they're talking about,

567
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 2: just said how could you? And I assume they're talking.

568
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: About this, which is hilarious because it's not like you

569
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: controlled the game in any least way.

570
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: No, no, but it was great. I was like, oh yeah, sorry,

571
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,959
Speaker 2: And it is like I'm joking about it because it

572
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 2: was really painful, Like I went through the five stages

573
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 2: of grief with this game, and I started with denial.

574
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 2: But I'm just gonna I'm just gonna be real with you.

575
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 2: He's dead. He's dead.

576
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, he's not gonna there's no magic in that.

577
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 2: Nope, he is not coming back. He is dead. There

578
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 2: are a lot of flashbacks that he'll be in so

579
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 2: that we understand what happened of the five years we missed,

580
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 2: So he's not gone. I guess Pedro Pascal will be back,

581
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 2: but he is dead. And one of the reasons I

582
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 2: say this is that when the game first came out,

583
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 2: they had this fake out trailer where all a lot

584
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 2: of the scenes that you play later in the game

585
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 2: you see Joel in them. It turns out it's not Joel,

586
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 2: it's Jesse actually, so they pulled it. So I thought

587
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 2: he was going to come back. I saw what I saw,

588
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 2: and I was like, can't be I saw.

589
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 4: The trailer, this is not true. I was really like,

590
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 4: I don't know what this is, but it's gotta be wrong.

591
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 4: But it was incredibly, incredibly painful, a lot of DearS

592
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 4: over many playthroughs.

593
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 2: But another thing with this is we talked about this

594
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 2: in our episode we did on the most recent remaster,

595
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 2: there's a documentary about how this game got made and

596
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 2: a lot of things went wrong because of the pandemic.

597
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 2: One of the big ones was that they delayed the

598
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 2: game both because of supply chain because of the pandemic,

599
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 2: and they knew this was going to be a huge

600
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 2: spoiler and they were trying to protect it. But that

601
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 2: made a fan in quotes really angry. And because the

602
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 2: engineer there's the designers were working from home, this fan

603
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 2: was able to get into their servers and was like

604
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 2: basically doing kind of a hostage threat with the gam

605
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 2: where it's like I'm gonna leak a scene every day

606
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 2: until you release the geit and he got frustrated and

607
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 2: eventually was like yea agile diyes here's the sun and

608
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 2: it blew up. Like people were furious. And this is

609
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 2: if you remember in the last one I said stay

610
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 2: away from Reddit when it comes to Last of As two.

611
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 2: It had a huge impact because the game is meant

612
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 2: to be played, it's meant to go. You got to

613
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 2: go through the whole thing. It's like grief, you got

614
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 2: to go through the whole thing. And so people were

615
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 2: seeing this one scene and they were so outraged by it,

616
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 2: to the point like I've had people who never played

617
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 2: the game tell me they hate it for X Y Z,

618
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 2: and I'm like, but the it's not actually what happens,

619
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 2: and they go, but they've heard this kind of like

620
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 2: Reddit dialogue, and it's really sad. It's really heartbreaking because,

621
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 2: as I said, the Firskin came out in twenty thirteen,

622
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 2: this one came out in twenty twenty, so seven years

623
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 2: of work and have it leaked and then torn apart

624
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 2: and then get death threats for it. It's pretty awful.

625
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 2: But it also is kind of funny because some of

626
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 2: the people involved or like, I don't care if you

627
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,760
Speaker 2: get spoiled on the show Man done, Like, yeah, that's fair,

628
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 2: that's fair. But anyway, I do know that they wanted

629
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 2: to kill now. I know they wanted to kill Joel

630
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 2: Off pretty early in the show too, because they were

631
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 2: worried that it would get out. So they still care

632
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 2: a little. But yeah, anyway, but I had no idea.

633
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 2: I had never parents and anything like this in a game.

634
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 2: But so you start as playing Joel, you played most

635
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 2: of the first game as and Joel tells Tommy what

636
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 2: happened in the first game with the Fireflies with Ellie

637
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 2: and her being immune and then after the title card,

638
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 2: that's where it starts to seem with Jesse, who's waking

639
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 2: her up from Morning Patrol, which we saw in this episode,

640
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 2: and you're starting you start controlling Ellie. Another thing they

641
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 2: did is they you knew, like I said, it was

642
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 2: a vengeance tale, but they made you believe it was Dina.

643
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: Dina was the one that was going to die. And

644
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: that's why at first I was like, maybe that's why

645
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 2: they put Dina here. I still think I think they

646
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 2: were just kind of trying.

647
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: To save still messing with us.

648
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 2: I think so. I have a theory, but I'm going

649
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,479
Speaker 2: to wait for the next episode to explain. But yeah,

650
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 2: we really thought it was her. And I remember when

651
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,479
Speaker 2: I got this game, I went and found it. Here's

652
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: what it says on the Beck experienced the devastating physical

653
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 2: and emotional consequences of Ellie's vengeance as you embark on

654
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 2: a relentless pursuit of those who have wronged her. I

655
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 2: knew I was in for it. I was like, oh, no,

656
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 2: this is gonna be wrong. And it was.

657
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 3: It was.

658
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 2: It was, but it was rougher than I could have

659
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 2: ever imagined. And Joel's death happened so fast in the game,

660
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: it's within an hour. It doesn't the show too, but

661
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 2: it's just like everything falls apart so quickly, and it

662
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 2: completely shifts what you think this is going to be. Wow,

663
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 2: especially because you've got like the relationship between Joel and

664
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:49,879
Speaker 2: Ellie being so fractured and then he's dead hour O yep.

665
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 2: And to reiterate, you had no idea who these people

666
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 2: were that were coming in or why they were there.

667
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 2: You know why I'm controlling this random character because you're

668
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 2: controlling Abby within the first hour as well. You don't

669
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 2: even know who they're looking for. The first time I

670
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: played it, I thought they were looking for Ellie, but no,

671
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 2: you don't know. And yeah, you control Abby at the

672
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 2: fence part. You're looking for these patrols. It's a real mind.

673
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 2: And there's actually one that's wilder, way wilder later that

674
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 2: I cannot wait to talk about. And then there's another

675
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 2: one that just hits you where hurts. Oh. They love

676
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 2: doing that, they love doing it. But the shock factor

677
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 2: of this death is really hard to overstate because I nope,

678
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 2: I couldn't couldn't believe it, couldn't believe it. It does

679
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 2: play out differently in the show because of you know,

680
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 2: you know, Abby's motivations, which gives it an added layer

681
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 2: of tension because you know, but I think it diminishes

682
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 2: the shop. But people who haven't played the game and

683
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,399
Speaker 2: just watched the show, you can write in and tell

684
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: me I'm not sure. I've seen a lot of different reactions. Interestingly,

685
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of you know, hey, they humanized

686
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 2: Abby a bit more in the show because at this

687
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 2: point in the game, you have no idea, you have

688
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 2: no clue, but you feel really helpless, and I feel

689
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 2: like they captured that in the show as well, where

690
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:31,879
Speaker 2: it's just like everything is unraveling and you're too late

691
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 2: or you made the wrong decisions and you can't stop

692
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 2: it now. But it is also the consequences of your

693
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 2: actions as a character and as a gamer. So that

694
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 2: is one thing I love about this game is it

695
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 2: really makes you question some of the things you've done,

696
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 2: because you know, a lot of video games like this,

697
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 2: not necessarily with the humans in the game, but it's

698
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 2: kind of fun to kill clickers if you know what

699
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 2: you're doing. Like it's it's sort of the point is

700
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 2: it's like this is the objective and then this comes

701
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 2: in and is like, but actually there's consequences to what

702
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 2: you did and now you've got to face it. Whoo,

703
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 2: which brings us too Abby, Abby, Abby. One of the

704
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,240
Speaker 2: reasons I always say it like that is because Ellie

705
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 2: gets so obsessed with event she just starts repeating Abby's name.

706
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 2: It's one of my favorite, like most disturbing scenes in

707
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 2: the game, but it became a whole thing. When we

708
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 2: would play it. I would do places we would just say.

709
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: It would include that in other games, yes.

710
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 2: You would, which I have looked up. Her name Abby

711
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 2: means my father is Joy, which makes sense. So in

712
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 2: the show she is the same age as Ellie is

713
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 2: currently when she found her dad dead, So so that's

714
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 2: a We're going to see a lot of these parallel she.

715
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 2: Abby was nineteen when she found her dad dead. Now

716
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 2: Ellie has witnessed a father figure die in front of her.

717
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 2: Abby has this whole speech about how she broke her code.

718
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 2: She does not get to have the speech in the

719
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 2: game because they are trying to obscure her motives. So

720
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 2: in the game she's like basically like do you know

721
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 2: who I am? And Joel's like, just get it over

722
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 2: with and she does, whereas in the show, she has

723
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 2: this whole speech and then Joel says, just get it

724
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 2: over with and she does. But she has this whole

725
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 2: thing about her code, which I'm very interested in because

726
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 2: that doesn't track with how I know the code of

727
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 2: the WLF. But we'll find out more about that, I

728
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 2: am sure. But she breaks it too, and she knows

729
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 2: that's I think that's one of the lines in the

730
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 2: song so resonant is it's you know, I know I'm

731
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:04,959
Speaker 2: on the side of the wrong. I know I'm gonna

732
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 2: be damned for what I did, but she decided it

733
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 2: was worth it. This is also an instance where she's

734
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,919
Speaker 2: basically like, tell me the truth and we'll go from there,

735
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 2: and he does tell you the truth, even though he

736
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 2: didn't for Ellie or Gale the Therapist. Another really heartbreaking

737
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 2: thing about this is kind of the accidental circumstances of it.

738
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 2: There's a lot of things that could have gone differently,

739
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 2: and Joel might still be alive, but she does accidentally

740
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 2: get what she wants. She you know, Owen wants to

741
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 2: convince her it isn't worth it. A lot of the

742
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 2: other people in the group seem to think it's not

743
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 2: worth it. She almost turned around because of the cold.

744
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 2: Joel has a lot of instances where he almost went

745
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 2: to Jackson but then trusted her saved her life, like

746
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 2: a bunch of different things, And I think that's really

747
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 2: reminiscent of all the questions that come after death, like

748
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 2: what if I had done this? Or what if? What

749
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 2: are the ways I could have changed this outcome? And

750
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 2: that's so painful. But yeah, I've read some really interesting

751
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 2: articles about how the balancing act between making Abby like

752
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 2: a villain and an anti hero, which is so interesting

753
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 2: to me because, like I said, she's a very divisive

754
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 2: character in the game. I don't think you'd ever there

755
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 2: was never any worry with that. But again, you didn't

756
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 2: know her motivations. You had no idea who she was,

757
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 2: and that goes back to it. Yeah, she has the

758
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 2: speech we see all the graves, the dream slash flashback

759
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 2: that she has at the beginning, where she's talking to

760
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 2: her younger self and she says, I don't know you.

761
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 2: That's gonna be pretty prominent I think throughout it is

762
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 2: in the game, But she's like, she doesn't recognize who

763
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 2: she's become, her younger self doesn't recognize who she's become,

764
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:14,720
Speaker 2: but also she doesn't It's she hasn't faced a trauma

765
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 2: of what happened, so she is unable to go into

766
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 2: the door, and that is something that will come up

767
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 2: a lot, and it's actually really interesting the presentation of

768
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 2: trauma in my opinion, from here on out, if they

769
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 2: follow the game, Ellie's also going to have a recurring

770
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 2: nightmare involving a door that won't open or being too late.

771
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 2: She also so the alarm. The reason I guess at

772
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 2: the beginning before anything can even come on the screen

773
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 2: is that sound that alarm Abby hears in her dream.

774
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 2: It is just so iconic to me. Ellie's is the

775
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 2: sound that like piercing sound that they did include in

776
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 2: the show when Joel's but they also included it in

777
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 2: the trailer the second season. For the second season, and

778
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 2: everybody who played the game was like, huge jerks, we

779
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:13,760
Speaker 2: know exactly what this is. But one thing I also

780
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 2: wanted to bring up here. In the first game, Joel

781
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 2: kills the nurses too when he goes into the operating

782
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 2: room to save Ellie, And in this I feel like

783
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 2: they kept them alive so they were witnesses and they

784
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 2: could explain what he looked like, and they could. That's

785
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 2: how they found Joel. But that is another fallout of

786
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 2: what he did is heard Abby's dad is believed to

787
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 2: be the only person that could have made a cure,

788
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 2: and he killed him and also the nurses. So that's

789
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 2: pretty bad. But in the first scene where we see

790
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 2: Abby in the show, where they're saying, like where Noras says, Oh,

791
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 2: it wouldn't even matter anyway, because is there's nobody who

792
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 2: could manufacture it here anymore. That's what she's talking about.

793
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 2: Also that actress, I didn't realize this is gonna be

794
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 2: and the next Naughty Dog game, Naughty Dog is the

795
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 2: one that does last us in galact.

796
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 1: I thought she's pretty significant. They've got her in for

797
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: a good reason.

798
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah. She's also been in the live action

799
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 2: Drink movie, so she's been around. I didn't know that though.

800
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 2: That was a new thing. Somebody pointed out to me.

801
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 2: There's also kind of this. You can see the fracturing

802
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 2: in their group that you kind of mentioned, Samantha and

803
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 2: your reactions to what Abby does. But Mels is probably

804
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 2: one of the biggest where she says, you know, we

805
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 2: said we wouldn't hurt anybody else. She's crying during this

806
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 2: whole thing, so that's something to keep in mind. Also

807
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 2: the whole like Joel saving her life after he had his,

808
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 2: like our life bodis swamped thing. I think this is

809
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 2: a no good deed goes unpunished theme which is going

810
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 2: to come back later. And then when he didn't get

811
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 2: to point this out in the game because she just

812
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 2: goes right in for the kill. But he in the show,

813
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 2: he says, you know, I saved your life and she says,

814
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 2: what life? And I think that's a throwback to what

815
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 2: Marlene says in the first season where she's like, what

816
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 2: kind of life will Ellie have in this world? That

817
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 2: does bring us to the golf club. It's a very

818
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 2: iconic It is so iconic. It's awful. I mean, it's

819
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 2: it's horrific. They definitely it cuts away much faster in

820
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 2: the video game than it did in the show, but

821
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 2: it's very brutal in the game as well. Both of

822
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 2: them are bad. Both are bad, and this kind of

823
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 2: brings us to a point I feel like a lot

824
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 2: of people bring up and so in the first episode

825
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 2: of the season, when Gail says it's not your fault.

826
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 2: I know that, it's how you did it. I think

827
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 2: that's going to be a recurring theme as well. And

828
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 2: Gail's story is like Ellie's. If you believe that Joel

829
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 2: didn't have a choice, which I think he did, but

830
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 2: if you believe it, which I think Joel thinks he

831
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 2: didn't have a choice, or she's like, I know you

832
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 2: didn't have a choice. It's how you did it. He

833
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 2: killed all of those people, and Abby spared Dina and Ellie,

834
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 2: even if her murder of Joel was brutal and Joel

835
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 2: killed according to this eighteen soldiers and one doctor, but

836
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 2: in the game it was it was more than that,

837
00:48:56,120 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 2: to say Ellie, which is a pretty that's pretty significan y.

838
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 2: But yes, also, as you mentioned, we read that kind

839
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 2: of what we thought might be kind of an innocent

840
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 2: review in the last episode that I was like, I

841
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 2: think it might be a pun because it said they

842
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 2: hope they ironed out the.

843
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: Yep, they got me. But there's you sweetaters, Yeah, Jock.

844
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 2: The funny thing is, though a lot of people who

845
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 2: haven't played the game or like roll mad understandably, I

846
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 2: get it. And I saw a comment today one of

847
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 2: my favorite comments was all y'all making golf funds that

848
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 2: we didn't get you so superad and so like I

849
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,760
Speaker 2: remember there was a bunch of articles that said something

850
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 2: like the last of us to tease up for another season,

851
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 2: or like yeah, we were all making these puns. And

852
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 2: then there was an instance where Bell Ramsey just posted

853
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 2: under a Taylor Swift video where Taylor Swift was swinging

854
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 2: a golf club, Joel, that gave me a good chuckle.

855
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 2: That gave me a good chuckle. I mean, it's horrible,

856
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 2: it's so sad, but it was like a traumatizing event

857
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 2: that we now have all been like I got through that.

858
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 2: At least let me make a golf joke. Even Patron

859
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 2: Pascal did it. He posted something today about it. Yeah.

860
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 2: But and we're going to talk about this more later.

861
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 2: One of the sad things is because Abby is such

862
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 2: a divisive character. The voice actor who was in season one,

863
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 2: she was one of the nurses, and Caitlin Deaver who

864
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 2: plays her in the show, have gotten death dreats. And

865
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 2: I believe Katelyin Diaver has a bodyguard or had one,

866
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:59,280
Speaker 2: And Isabellehmer said said, like, you know, she's not Abby's

867
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:06,240
Speaker 2: not h Caitlyn Deaver's not abby. But people were so

868
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 2: angry about it, and you know, it's it was. It hurt,

869
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 2: and it was I was mad too, but I wasn't.

870
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna send any death to us. It was

871
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 2: a good story.

872
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: I was mad because it was a good right, this

873
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 1: is a tale.

874
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 2: Yes, you don't have to play, It's okay, it's all right.

875
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 2: I also learned, and this is really sad, that her

876
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 2: mom had died a few weeks before filming the scene. Yeah,

877
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 2: oh that's real. That's that's difficult. And this is something

878
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm really interested to see how it continues.

879
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:54,479
Speaker 2: But like the different conversations I've seen on playing Out,

880
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 2: playing out from like people who played the game and

881
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 2: people who haven't, they're pretty different in some ways. It's

882
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 2: really interesting. So I'm gonna keep an eye on that.

883
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 2: But I did want to touch John briefly. One of

884
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 2: the reasons this game resonated with me so much is

885
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 2: my dad had died less than a year before this

886
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 2: came out, and it wasn't on good. We didn't have

887
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 2: a good relationship when he died. There was a lot

888
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 2: of unresolved issues, and so this just is like it

889
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 2: really resonated with me. And I've said before, but I'm

890
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 2: able to experience emotion easier through fictional things, and so

891
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 2: it was a really cathartic grieving process for me. And

892
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 2: I mean it might sound silly to some of you,

893
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 2: but I really did go through the grieving process with this.

894
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 2: I went through denial and a group part. I was

895
00:52:55,719 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 2: like all of these things. I just it was so

896
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 2: powerful and it was really painful. And it also came

897
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 2: out during the pandemic. And I don't know why, but

898
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 2: I'm one of those people that for me that somehow

899
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 2: playing a game about an infection during a pandemic gave

900
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 2: me some kind of release, the same way a horror

901
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 2: movie might. But so one thing I didn't want to

902
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 2: point out I mentioned in the last episode. There's a

903
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 2: scene they cut out that is huge in the in

904
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 2: where after the dance and Ellie and Joel get to

905
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 2: their fight and Ellie sees Joel on the porch with

906
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 2: her guitar and she walks away. You'll notice she has

907
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 2: the guitar back the next morning when Jesse comes to

908
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 2: get her, and that's when she says, like, you know, Hey,

909
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 2: we worked it out, or basically we're working on it,

910
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 2: so I would just poured that out and I'll just

911
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 2: say she also really really loves music. She has all

912
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 2: of those vinyls and the tapes and her window is

913
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 2: covered in music sheets. That's going to be important later too.

914
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 2: Another thing we'll find out about this because as we said,

915
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 2: this wasn't in the game, but Eugene's whole story now's

916
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 2: got another layer because Ellie was clearly like, oh he

917
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 2: was a firefoy, oh oh, and Jesse's like, oh, yeah,

918
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 2: that's a shame couldn't be saved. Right. There's a scene

919
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 2: I don't know they'll include in the show, but they

920
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 2: basically Ellie's having this thought like if they had had

921
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 2: a cure, he could have been saved. So kind of

922
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 2: that survivor skill that she struggles with. Something else to

923
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 2: bring back as we start this journey is Ellie's fear

924
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 2: of ending up alone, which she mentions in the first

925
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 2: game in the first season, and also just her kind

926
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 2: of loss of Ellis innocence and the revenge that is coming.

927
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:27,240
Speaker 2: It's a lot of like cycle of violence and trauma.

928
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 2: So just like Joel's action had consequences, so do Abby's

929
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 2: and so will Ellie's. And there are as I said,

930
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 2: there are a lot of flashbacks, the ringing sounds and

931
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 2: the trailer that I mentioned. Ellie can, She'll have like

932
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 2: these PTSD the flashbacks in the game if there's a

933
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 2: loud sound or something like that. And they're also just

934
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 2: non PTSD ones, but they're sad still, but that's something

935
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 2: to look forward to. Yeah. Also, just quick shout out

936
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 2: to the women leaders on this show for Better Hours.

937
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 2: There's a lot of women leaders.

938
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 1: Maybe of them confront some things.

939
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 2: They really really can, they really can. This brings us

940
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:24,399
Speaker 2: to my random wrap up at the end. I did

941
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 2: want to call out this scene between Ellie and Jesse

942
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 2: at the beginning. I love that scene where they're kind

943
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 2: of teasing each other. I'm so glad they put that

944
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 2: in the show. I love that scene. Also, I forgot

945
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 2: to mention the composer Gustavo Sento Laya. He was in

946
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,760
Speaker 2: the last episode and he's also sort of a character

947
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 2: in the game. He has a banjo and in the

948
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 2: remastered version you can play him in guitar free play mode, which,

949
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,439
Speaker 2: by the way, you can play the guitar in last

950
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,879
Speaker 2: of us too. I'm actually like, that's the worst thing

951
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 2: I met. I'm really mad at it, but you can

952
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 2: do that. He was playing at the dance Seattle. I

953
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 2: realized we kind of might have spoiled it for some

954
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 2: people because we've talked all about how the second season

955
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 2: mostly takes place in Seattle, and then that's where Abby's frohim.

956
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 2: But anyway, there's a lot of hints of Seattle. I'm

957
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 2: told that the beer I think it was red Rock

958
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 2: that was on being advertised on the walls from Seattle.

959
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 2: There's a lot of music from the Seattle grunge period,

960
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of kind of themes of like

961
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 2: that period of like the lack of respect of authority

962
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 2: and things like that. Also, this is gonna be a

963
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:48,959
Speaker 2: bigger conversation later, but I think that some people get

964
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 2: really some people get really frustrated. I'm not saying it

965
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 2: wrong too with Ellie, but I would just say, like

966
00:57:55,880 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 2: I would remember, she's nineteen. There's a lot of lying

967
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 2: and taking choices away from her that's happening, and underestimating

968
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 2: her when she could defend herself. It does really suck,

969
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 2: Like I mean, it's awful because you want these characters

970
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 2: to get along. It feels really painful, but I mean,

971
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 2: I don't know. I would just urge people to give it,

972
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 2: give her some give her some room. And also like

973
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 2: she knows he's lying, because it doesn't it just doesn't

974
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 2: really hold up what he's saying. And because he's telling

975
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 2: her like you can't tell anybody about the immunity, even

976
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 2: though he said there were a bunch of immune people,

977
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 2: like hmmm, so she she knows. And it's just a

978
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 2: frustrating feeling, I think. But that being said, that does

979
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 2: bring us to the end of this episode and to

980
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 2: some no for the future. I know you're hurt. You

981
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 2: might be.

982
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 1: Angry, Christina, I you okay.

983
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 2: I would urge patients. It's a really good story. You

984
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 2: are meant to go through it. It's not it's gonna hurt.

985
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 2: But that is one of the reasons why Samantha and

986
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 2: I've discussed it's kind of concern the weight between seasons,

987
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 2: because you are meant to You're really meant to go

988
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 2: through it all at once. But I'm excited. I'm very excited.

989
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 2: It's also like a very you never know when your

990
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 2: time is up. You never know when it's the last

991
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 2: time you'll see someone, and that's gonna be a pretty

992
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 2: big theme. And also parallels. There's gonna be a lot

993
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 2: of parallels. Yeah, same side, same coin, doesn't mean and

994
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 2: my friend like to say I even got her coin

995
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 2: that says that. Yes, when I'll explain that when we

996
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 2: get to that section. But yeah, in the meantime, Uh,

997
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 2: I hope you're okay, and I hope you're enjoying this

998
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 2: whether you watch it, play it, or don't. And we'll

999
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 2: be back next week. We'll see the fallout fallout of this.

1000
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 2: In the meantime, if you would like to email us,

1001
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 2: you can our emails Hello at Stuff Iever Told You

1002
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1003
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Speaker 2: sky at mom Stuff. Podcast are on Instagram and TikTok

1004
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,560
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1005
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 2: We have a tea public store, and we have a

1006
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 2: book where I do talk about Ellie. You can get

1007
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 2: wherever you get your books. Thanks as always too, our

1008
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 2: super producer, Coristinier, execut Pducer, My Ander, Contruder.

1009
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: Joey, thank you, I'm sorry.

1010
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,520
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