WEBVTT - Mastermind From A Cell 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:03.920 Gangs, the chronic goals. This is not your average show. 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:13.240 You're now tuned into the reil. 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:19.680 Welcome to the gainst the Chronicles podcast, the production of 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:23.000 iHeart Radio and Black Effect Podcast Network. Make sure you 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:25.920 download the iHeart app and subscribe to Against the Chronicles. 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:28.160 For my Apple users, hit the purple Michael on your 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:30.920 front screen, subscribed Against the Chronicles, leave a five star 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:33.800 rating and comment. All right, all right, all right, here 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:36.880 we go again, another episode Against the Chronicles podcast with 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:41.240 your boy Big stealing the homie chip. You know eight. 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:45.400 I figured tonight, man, we would go back to our roots. Man. 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:47.559 I got a pretty incredible brother on here to night, 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:50.280 Man calling in Man from the belly of the Beast Man. 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:53.320 And just to give you a little bit of backstory, 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:56.480 man on this brother. Man, his brother is real prolific man. 0:00:56.560 --> 0:01:01.720 He's accomplished author, man, TV writer. 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:02.040 Man. 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:04.240 I don't know what it is that this brother don't do. Man, 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:06.040 Kwame t kwame? What's going on? 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:06.240 Bro? 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:10.760 See? I appreciate it. I appreciate both of y'all. 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:15.000 I appreciate the platform, and I definitely appreciate a president 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:18.520 because I dot. 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:24.240 So official. Definitely for sure. 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:26.400 Man. So we're gonna make this work man the best 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:28.200 we can man, because I was in here trying to 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:31.679 get together my apologies man from being a little off schedule. Man, 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:34.399 you know both for sure. We want to make sure 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:36.160 we got this story out here. Man. So you know 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:37.320 where I got to start off. 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:37.600 Man. 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:41.319 You sold a crazy amount of books. Man, I think 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:43.679 you sell them. You sold more books out of there man, 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:46.400 that people is free and walk in the streets. 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:52.560 Yeah. Man, I definitely had a very very punching in front. Man. 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:53.720 We know I went to work. 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:56.880 We put out Duche, we put out Dutch in two 0:01:56.960 --> 0:01:58.400 thousand and two thousand and three. 0:01:58.440 --> 0:01:59.360 I was funning really. 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:08.240 Coffee one through the holding of the early Okay, don't 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:10.720 get me wrong. Tevy had to truly the game and 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:12.680 they said it all tid I'll be on camp on 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:13.320 it those over. 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:14.480 Those boats, the Dutch. 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:17.679 So when Dutch came out and it's like shop Clay 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:20.959 right and everything, he just went in the hype. Moll 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:23.640 that go back, I said, And that was the opport. 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:26.680 That was a light with opportunity, the light time forever 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:28.080 for sure. 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:28.440 Man. 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:32.440 So let me ask you this man, because a lot 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:34.520 of brothers men, if they get locked up Man, they 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:37.440 pretty much done. You feel what I'm saying. They kind 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:38.840 of you though, I guess, go through a state of 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:42.360 depression and all this other stuff. Man, what made you 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:45.720 decide to say, Okay, I'm gonna start writing books. 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:47.960 I want the first thing? 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:49.720 You know, when I first got when I got instwered, 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:51.880 this time they're gonna get it. Two light shit, it 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:55.520 said eighty years attacked and attack. Then you're waking up 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:58.000 to a tunnel with no light. The only light in 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:01.280 that tunnel with you yourself. So I had that time 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:03.800 to really reflect for who I was. That I had 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:06.480 to say to myself, I didn't have to decide what 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:08.760 I will through the gut when I had to decided 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:10.880 what I want through the gear out. And once I 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:15.040 established that floor, that foundation, it made it. It gave 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:18.080 me the principles to live by the show them pull 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:20.040 that being who I am, being the man that I 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:21.680 am is going point the tree. 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:22.280 Definitely. 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:23.520 When the day came, but my. 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:26.240 Head was spinding and shit was crazy, I was able 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:28.480 to see that, Yo, I can look myself in the mirror, 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:31.320 and that's more important. Thing about that gave me that 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:34.880 can't be stuff stayble scut and on the set of that, 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:38.760 I started writing and really trying to express myself because 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:40.000 at the end of the day, I was like, Yo, 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:41.560 what else I got for my mind? 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:43.280 And what else I'm doing? This? Mob? 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:45.120 But take it through the pic because at that time 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:47.200 really wasn't no in and there. It wasn't nothing, but 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:50.520 you know, just straight up more either team and all that. 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:52.080 We didn't have the in of this, so I had 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:53.960 to use that thing to keep my worry out there. 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:57.520 Okay, So so prior to you, uh, prior to you 0:03:57.640 --> 0:04:00.400 going to prison, did you just start writing when you 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:02.480 got locked up? Or was you writing before that? Because 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:08.480 you you're real prolific. I appreciate that. I appreciate that now. 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:10.440 You know, I grew up in the hip hop culture. 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:12.400 Like I said, I grew up with eight music. Man. 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:14.440 I grew up to the to the East coast, in 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:18.359 the West Coast and listening to the hip hop and 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:21.360 my lord, excuse me, my older sister, Sharon, she was 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:23.040 the first one to turn me on to how to 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:23.720 write scripts. 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:25.000 I'm twelve years old. 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:27.560 In every sense, I learned that, Like that was a 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:31.000 part of my upbringing, like figuring out how to tell 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:35.000 stories and then listening to people like like Face and 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:40.240 Slick Frick, these individuals who incorporated storytelling into their rob 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:42.920 day the Dame, right, And so I learned from bad 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:46.120 craft to add on to my craft. And even though 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:48.520 I wasn't necessarily a rapper, I still knew how to 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:51.120 make worlds dad, because. 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:52.920 They both the same thing. And if you, like you said, 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:55.560 if you listening to m C eight Scarface to Slick Rick, 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:58.480 you definitely listening to some of the best storytellers in 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:00.960 the game, you know, because that's what the dudes do it, right. 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:03.120 You know, they write movies. You know, they pretty much 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:06.680 write movies. And so one of the things, you know, 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:09.440 we're gonna talk about your role in entertainment, right, because 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:11.160 you've done a lot of stuff, and you you got 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:12.920 some real popular stuff out there. A lot of people 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:16.400 don't know. But I want to go into your sittings. 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:16.680 Man. 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:19.159 You know, when you start talking about a lifetime, I 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:21.320 can't even fan on that. Somebody telling you you have 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:23.279 the rest of your life, you spend the rest of 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:27.760 your days in prison, right, I want to talk about 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:30.560 your case something. How do we come to this. 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:33.520 Basically? 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:36.080 I mean, like I'm saying in the documentary, man is 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:38.600 that you know anybody out then, man, I'll urge you 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:40.720 to go to YouTube and check out free Dutch to 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:44.080 five receives on YouTube. Man, and check out the store. 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:46.320 We check out the little documentary. It's only seven minutes 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:48.600 of your life. That to me is my whole life 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:52.280 in that moment. And basically, you know when I came 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:55.719 down south, my mama's family is from down here, and 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:58.240 I came down here really the term of the new 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:01.039 leads to give my life together right and tried to 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:03.200 do the right thing through some part of the things. 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:06.280 So I was raised on them and I came down 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:08.520 here and I've always dealt with his laying in the 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:12.080 mathematics and in ways to uplift our people as a nation. 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:15.320 And so we were doing a lot of positive things 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:17.599 in the community. But you got to realize the gold Well, 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:20.680 there's a town that they that the Klan literally I'm 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:23.400 talking about the Cluekhuts plans literally marched. 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:24.800 As we did to downtown. 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:28.720 We're talking about the North Carolina Correctional Facility. 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:32.120 We talked about doctics and lawyers and tastes. I mean, 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:33.880 all of these people were ever in the clan. It 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:36.080 was an open secret but there was no way to 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:38.080 pull it. You know why they marched because they got 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:40.599 their hoods on and so this is the type of time. 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:41.320 That we were dealing with. 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:43.920 And because we were joint all of these positive days, 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:46.640 some of the degger I didn't put in the documentary 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:49.359 because you know, it's you know, I deal with the 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:51.360 you know, with the course and anything like that. Some 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:53.719 of these police were doing some things in the hoods 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:57.440 that was real shady, or a few cops in Goldsborough 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:00.520 or other investigation. So there was a love the shading 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:04.200 is going on with this racism and then seeing us 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:06.360 bring our people up and ringing our people up out 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:08.719 of the point the stats that they were at. It 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:10.960 wasn't happy. They weren't happy about what was going on 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:14.120 and showed when so white people got killed and they 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:18.760 were able to vote. Yet the individual they found out 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:21.360 or thought had did it once that happened, man they 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:23.280 used had they say, had to miss. 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:24.720 Me and this man can Harley Bee. 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:27.920 But they manipulated him into saying my name and his 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:29.720 son's name and the rest ASSISI. 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:33.760 Oh wow, So they had a man to get this 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:37.200 trait to reiterate a man with the mension they talked 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:39.280 to him and he had shr life hanging in the 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:40.920 balance and he can't even remember his name. 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:45.360 Exactly. And the end of the that was the person 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:47.040 that they used. And I mean, there was no question 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:47.760 what was going on. 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:50.040 There was no question about the railroad, there was no 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:52.400 question about what they weren't simpting to do. It was 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:54.880 simply no. If there was no one to stop it, 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:57.080 there was no remedy for us. Right, there was no 0:07:57.120 --> 0:07:59.360 one to Highland. There was no hour sharpness of printing 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:01.880 me closson one of those for the steps into the case. 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:04.640 Because again, like I said, this is prior to the Internet, 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:06.640 and so to get had these type of individuals, you 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:08.800 had to have links to them. You just couldn't post 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:11.240 them online and say hey, what's going on. So I 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:13.640 didn't have those type of connections. I didn't have nothing, 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:16.560 and so when it was going down, it just went there. 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:20.520 Okay, you know, it wasn't a this wasn't a this 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:24.360 wasn't a story that made news or anything like that. So, 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:27.680 like you said, without the Internet, without social media, there's 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:29.840 no way for it to stretch, for other people to 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:33.520 be able to hear this story. So, uh, you you 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:37.160 you you feeling like, basically, like you said, there's nobody 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:40.320 to represent for there's no out sharp things, and there's 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:44.760 no campaigns. There's no jay Z and them with reform 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:46.320 and all that type of shit. 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:51.000 Right, absolutely, I mean I sort of liked the movie, 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:53.120 if y'all. If y'all, I'm sure y'all remember the movie 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:53.720 of Tom. 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:57.839 The Q right with that? Yeah, Yeah, definitely I remember that. 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:00.960 You see that movie. 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:03.200 You see the way it was, the way it was tructured, 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:06.719 you know, leaking out to people, that's what it was. 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:08.760 You had to reach out with letters, you right, you 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:10.000 keep on in a lot of parts. 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:12.080 Man, A lot of these people, the so called leaders, 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:15.240 it ain't no cameras, they ain't coming, right, If you 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:18.040 ain't got a case that's already flooding with cameras and 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:21.640 already flooded with publicity, they don't come through. And that's 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:25.160 to this day, right, the reason why they so ubiquitous 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:27.679 now again because of the Internet. But back then you 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:30.000 had to have the actual network. And of course you 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:32.240 already know it if you are part of a network, 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:34.559 if you're on NBC or yes, and this is the 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:37.600 narrative that they're treating your stories are part of that narrative. 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:40.880 Back then, the narrative was controlled by the main stream. 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:44.160 That narrative was controlled by individuals who wanted to use 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:46.240 your story and manipulated. 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:48.520 So that and to me, I feel in that. I 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:50.520 feel in it in the old you know what I mean, 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:55.640 because I didn't have none of that connection. Oh wow wow. 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:59.360 So you know one of the things, Man, the reason 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:01.320 why I want have you on the show, Man shout 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:04.760 out to the homie Man Akasha Man, because he stayed Man, 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:05.840 he stayed pumping you up. 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:06.040 Man. 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:07.839 That dude is like, Man, I think he's one of 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:08.760 your top supporters. 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:08.960 Man. 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:11.360 He had been telling you about about telling me about 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:14.280 shot from the first time we start doing our business, right, 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:20.280 and that's my problem, man, Yeah, And he told me, yeah, 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:22.880 And the way your name came up, he's another brother 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:24.959 that came home and kind of hit the ground running. 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:27.440 So he came home, kind of jumped in the movie game. 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:32.000 And he said, yeah, my partner, Man kwime mate hooked 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:33.920 me up and plugged me up with this. And I said, 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:37.120 so a brother that was locked up plugged you into 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:41.880 the film industry, learn. 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:45.280 Right, I mean, you know the thing about it is, Man, 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:48.719 I'm ast harm believer in each one teach one. You know, 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:52.040 once you get an opportunity, you have a responsibility to 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:55.000 open that door for somebody else. And so you know, 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:57.040 we what we have me and my wife David name, 0:10:57.120 --> 0:11:00.200 we have a platform called prison Riot Radio dot com all. 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:04.040 And what President Right Radio does is we perform. We 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:07.640 provide a platform for the incost reading. They formally in 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:09.439 cost reading right because there's a lot of people that 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:12.000 have to cost reded that don't have anybody outside and 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:14.840 don't have any family, any friends, nobody to pick up 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:17.559 the phone right now. You know, when you deal with 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:20.120 prison Right Radio, you can go to the phone, call 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:23.040 us collect right. We take collect call and we all 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:25.240 we ask is you know we think if you got 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:27.360 money in your books, please don't think because. 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:28.079 It's coming from us. We do. 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:30.840 We're struggling to get this done. But if you ain't 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:33.680 got nobody, may call us. We talk about the case. 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:36.439 We can talk about Prinson conditions. Some bubbles leave the 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:39.480 call right and they got a podcast every week, right, 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:41.560 they can just talk about the things that they want 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:43.719 to talk about. Because what we want to do is 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:46.319 rector bubbles know and he says and tell you matter, 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:50.000 your voice matters. And so we created that platform and 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:52.040 the costume was one of the brothers who came to 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:55.280 that platform, and we just connected from there. And you know, 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:57.959 like when we talk about real recognized real not real 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:01.959 recognize everything right then, so me and the problem was 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:04.480 able to connect on levels that we were able to say, 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:06.280 you know what, let's think this to the next level. 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:09.880 And so we took Dutch and we created Dutch Men 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:13.480 West in what the Dutch Me and West is is 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:17.280 the production the self production company that is designed to 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:20.120 help bathers and sisters that's in the Midwest. 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:23.280 Get them get their voice out. And their only. 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:26.800 Circulation had sixty second want you get on? 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:29.320 You got to put somebody else on. That's the basis 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:32.280 of Dutch minws. That is dope. Man. 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:36.679 That's incredible man. And they say we got sixty seconds left. 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:39.560 I'm pretty sure you go call back in here too. 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:41.800 Oh yeah, for sure, I need you to come back 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:45.200 through just for a little bit more. Bro a, yeah, come, 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:51.720 I appreciate that, Oh for sure. For sure. For those 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:53.920 that just tapped in with this man we on there 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:57.199 with the homy man, you know what would trip me 0:12:57.280 --> 0:12:59.720 out about this man, is you got some motherfucker's man 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:01.920 that's free, it's out on the streets and can't get 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:02.440 shipped done. 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:06.880 Yeah, it's it's difficult when you come home, you know, 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:09.760 unless you got some kind of foundation or some kind 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:11.880 of support. You know, a lot of the home these 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:15.400 a lot of brothers come home and you know, uh, 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:20.040 it's a struggle, you know what I'm saying, especially depending 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:23.000 on what you're coming home for. You know, Uh, you 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:25.240 see a lot of niggas coming home now, you know 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:28.959 a lot of rap dudes and you know, getting that 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:32.079 type of shit going on. But for a real motherfucker, 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:35.959 you know who's a hard who's a nigga who you 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:40.280 know has been locked down for a while, or you know, 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:43.079 just you know, it's just on the street, in the 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:46.120 street ship, you know what I'm saying, doing his thing, 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:49.480 making his bread on that type of you. You you 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:52.079 have to find some kind of support and some kind 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:55.280 of foundation so you don't so you don't turn back 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:59.000 and end up back in the ship. You feel me with. 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:01.839 Without a doubt. So we got kwame t back on man, 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:05.280 what I was going into. Man, And that's that's the thing. Man, 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:07.080 I just wish you was out here sitting with us, man, 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:09.280 because there's so much I want to talk to you about, right, 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:11.480 but I want to make sure I get the important 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:13.240 message out, you know, and that is about the case. 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:15.079 And we gonna have the documentary. Man, It's gonna be 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:17.800 a link to the documentary in this interview, So y'all 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:20.320 can go watch it, come back and listen to the interview. 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:22.040 You know what I'm saying. We here live and direct 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:25.320 again with the Homi kwame tag. So I got to 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:27.720 jump into this man, real quick. It's like I said, 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:30.360 we don't have a whole bunch of time, right, you 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:34.160 wind up man writing some of the assisting in some 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:40.600 of the biggest shows and television right right. And I'll 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:42.960 let you speak on that, man, because I think it's 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:44.640 real powerful and I don't want to mess it up. 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:47.360 Yeah. 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:50.080 So basically, like basically what I was saying in the 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:54.240 documentary was the foundation of all of these movies, I mean, 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:56.800 all of these TV shows, all of that, the urban 0:14:56.840 --> 0:15:00.760 book game right to two dollars three, that ship machine. 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:02.720 Everything really changed, right. 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:06.560 Everybody started writing with urban lit type of way, right 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:09.960 and and and the black authors started to respond to 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:12.880 that because when you when you see the character, I 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:15.360 mean that the post of the coming out about that time, 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:18.560 everything had a little urban, a little urban flavor to 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:20.960 it because of us. And then all of a sudden 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:24.240 they come the empire. He come in comes powerway income 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:27.000 all of the other day. But nobody is singing where 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:29.880 it came from. Nobody is saying, you know, any are 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:34.120 the people who are established this established in lane right here, 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:37.240 urban book writers and Dutch being one of the man. 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:40.239 From the North Carolina correctional facility. 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:43.360 So for me, I was able to connect with Manny 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:46.520 Hally from the mini films and we were able to 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:49.640 put together Dutch one, Dutch two and Dutch Street which 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:52.200 is right now on b C and DD plus. And 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:55.680 then I went in did the movie Sin with Louis Gotsij, 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:59.600 The Lady Unite three Lewis Gotsi listen even other strengts 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:03.280 was s so much that he did it for scale 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:05.400 and a lot of things. I may not know scale live, 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:08.720 but the shack for you sad actors to have to 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:12.200 get paid for it, but the scale means you basically 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:14.960 took minimum way. So we had this brother come in 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:18.000 and then the movie Sind. He plays a blind painter. 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:20.680 He loved the role so much he said he'd be 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:23.160 willing to go for minimum waves. And I always respect 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:26.720 the ot for that man. God's so the beautiful, beautiful 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:28.800 brother man. If he got sent off, that's on to 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:31.880 me right now with fella Black, Yo, she's just check 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:34.720 out fell the Black. And then we got scelling Yours 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:37.880 with styles p from the Locks. Then I got Cream 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:40.520 with me and him on roll, and then of course 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:43.560 the constant, me and Natasha. We got the Twisted Love 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:46.440 movie out there, and we also got Queen of the Track, 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:47.800 so we got some maids. 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:49.800 We got some vegnituations out there. 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:52.720 Man. Like I said, we always looking for talent in 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:55.600 front of the camera, behind the camera, because my whole 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:57.720 thing is, I know how it feels for somebody to 0:16:57.840 --> 0:16:58.400 say nothing. 0:16:58.560 --> 0:16:58.680 Right. 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:01.000 If we do the writing letter, you get nowas bond, 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:03.280 but you need to call the call the phone and 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:05.919 they don't get asked. So what we're doing the same. Listen, 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:08.280 if you all about your business and you said so, 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:11.520 now come rock with us wherever you at, where if 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:14.320 you're in Canada, if you ain't Texas, wherever you're at, 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:16.600 if you're trying to make movies. If you're trying to 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:19.040 make you you're think yo, come through, because what is 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:21.200 going through, what it is gonna take the Raisers nation 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:23.080 is we're gonna have to all come together. 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:23.840 Right. 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:26.080 We ain't got to change the back the bad gonna changeself. 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:30.000 You're changing us since we started with the Brules, right, 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:32.240 but we took God. We took straight when we turned 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:34.840 it into the gospel music. But we shook our blues 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:37.320 and they took it returned into rock and roll. Right. 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:39.600 It took God, it took our music and did everything 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:42.520 they did with So now it's an opportunity now for 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:44.560 us all to come together, raise up as. 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:47.520 One and start building like that because we we want this. 0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:50.760 Well, really, when you really think about it, Old Old 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:52.960 Colture is based off of hip hop. 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:54.000 Right. 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:56.919 You see all of the close, the way people wear clothed, 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:59.600 the way people talk now, the way people move, all 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:02.520 of this, see all of that's us. And so we 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:05.640 come back and take our poper package over its shows 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:07.639 the two go. We show the are the original people, 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:10.479 so that this is our gold. This is our vision man, 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:13.240 and it's not I'm trying to get at oh man. 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:18.359 Incredible, incredible, you know One of the things, man, I 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:20.240 was just talking to eight about, you know when you 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:23.600 was calling back, was this is you have people who 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:26.320