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Speaker 3: your boy Big stealing the homie chip. You know eight.
Speaker 3: I figured tonight, man, we would go back to our roots. Man.
Speaker 3: I got a pretty incredible brother on here to night,
Speaker 3: Man calling in Man from the belly of the Beast Man.
Speaker 3: And just to give you a little bit of backstory,
Speaker 3: man on this brother. Man, his brother is real prolific man.
Speaker 3: He's accomplished author, man, TV writer.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: I don't know what it is that this brother don't do. Man,
Speaker 3: Kwame t kwame? What's going on?
Speaker 4: Bro?
Speaker 1: See? I appreciate it. I appreciate both of y'all.
Speaker 4: I appreciate the platform, and I definitely appreciate a president
Speaker 4: because I dot.
Speaker 1: So official. Definitely for sure.
Speaker 3: Man. So we're gonna make this work man the best
Speaker 3: we can man, because I was in here trying to
Speaker 3: get together my apologies man from being a little off schedule. Man,
Speaker 3: you know both for sure. We want to make sure
Speaker 3: we got this story out here. Man. So you know
Speaker 3: where I got to start off.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: You sold a crazy amount of books. Man, I think
Speaker 3: you sell them. You sold more books out of there man,
Speaker 3: that people is free and walk in the streets.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, I definitely had a very very punching in front. Man.
Speaker 1: We know I went to work.
Speaker 4: We put out Duche, we put out Dutch in two
Speaker 4: thousand and two thousand and three.
Speaker 1: I was funning really.
Speaker 4: Coffee one through the holding of the early Okay, don't
Speaker 4: get me wrong. Tevy had to truly the game and
Speaker 4: they said it all tid I'll be on camp on
Speaker 4: it those over.
Speaker 1: Those boats, the Dutch.
Speaker 4: So when Dutch came out and it's like shop Clay
Speaker 4: right and everything, he just went in the hype. Moll
Speaker 4: that go back, I said, And that was the opport.
Speaker 4: That was a light with opportunity, the light time forever
Speaker 4: for sure.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: So let me ask you this man, because a lot
Speaker 3: of brothers men, if they get locked up Man, they
Speaker 3: pretty much done. You feel what I'm saying. They kind
Speaker 3: of you though, I guess, go through a state of
Speaker 3: depression and all this other stuff. Man, what made you
Speaker 3: decide to say, Okay, I'm gonna start writing books.
Speaker 1: I want the first thing?
Speaker 4: You know, when I first got when I got instwered,
Speaker 4: this time they're gonna get it. Two light shit, it
Speaker 4: said eighty years attacked and attack. Then you're waking up
Speaker 4: to a tunnel with no light. The only light in
Speaker 4: that tunnel with you yourself. So I had that time
Speaker 4: to really reflect for who I was. That I had
Speaker 4: to say to myself, I didn't have to decide what
Speaker 4: I will through the gut when I had to decided
Speaker 4: what I want through the gear out. And once I
Speaker 4: established that floor, that foundation, it made it. It gave
Speaker 4: me the principles to live by the show them pull
Speaker 4: that being who I am, being the man that I
Speaker 4: am is going point the tree.
Speaker 3: Definitely.
Speaker 1: When the day came, but my.
Speaker 4: Head was spinding and shit was crazy, I was able
Speaker 4: to see that, Yo, I can look myself in the mirror,
Speaker 4: and that's more important. Thing about that gave me that
Speaker 4: can't be stuff stayble scut and on the set of that,
Speaker 4: I started writing and really trying to express myself because
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, I was like, Yo,
Speaker 4: what else I got for my mind?
Speaker 1: And what else I'm doing? This? Mob?
Speaker 4: But take it through the pic because at that time
Speaker 4: really wasn't no in and there. It wasn't nothing, but
Speaker 4: you know, just straight up more either team and all that.
Speaker 4: We didn't have the in of this, so I had
Speaker 4: to use that thing to keep my worry out there.
Speaker 3: Okay, So so prior to you, uh, prior to you
Speaker 3: going to prison, did you just start writing when you
Speaker 3: got locked up? Or was you writing before that? Because
Speaker 3: you you're real prolific. I appreciate that. I appreciate that now.
Speaker 3: You know, I grew up in the hip hop culture.
Speaker 3: Like I said, I grew up with eight music. Man.
Speaker 5: I grew up to the to the East coast, in
Speaker 5: the West Coast and listening to the hip hop and
Speaker 5: my lord, excuse me, my older sister, Sharon, she was
Speaker 5: the first one to turn me on to how to
Speaker 5: write scripts.
Speaker 1: I'm twelve years old.
Speaker 4: In every sense, I learned that, Like that was a
Speaker 4: part of my upbringing, like figuring out how to tell
Speaker 4: stories and then listening to people like like Face and
Speaker 4: Slick Frick, these individuals who incorporated storytelling into their rob
Speaker 4: day the Dame, right, And so I learned from bad
Speaker 4: craft to add on to my craft. And even though
Speaker 4: I wasn't necessarily a rapper, I still knew how to
Speaker 4: make worlds dad, because.
Speaker 3: They both the same thing. And if you, like you said,
Speaker 3: if you listening to m C eight Scarface to Slick Rick,
Speaker 3: you definitely listening to some of the best storytellers in
Speaker 3: the game, you know, because that's what the dudes do it, right.
Speaker 3: You know, they write movies. You know, they pretty much
Speaker 3: write movies. And so one of the things, you know,
Speaker 3: we're gonna talk about your role in entertainment, right, because
Speaker 3: you've done a lot of stuff, and you you got
Speaker 3: some real popular stuff out there. A lot of people
Speaker 3: don't know. But I want to go into your sittings.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: You know, when you start talking about a lifetime, I
Speaker 3: can't even fan on that. Somebody telling you you have
Speaker 3: the rest of your life, you spend the rest of
Speaker 3: your days in prison, right, I want to talk about
Speaker 3: your case something. How do we come to this.
Speaker 1: Basically?
Speaker 4: I mean, like I'm saying in the documentary, man is
Speaker 4: that you know anybody out then, man, I'll urge you
Speaker 4: to go to YouTube and check out free Dutch to
Speaker 4: five receives on YouTube. Man, and check out the store.
Speaker 4: We check out the little documentary. It's only seven minutes
Speaker 4: of your life. That to me is my whole life
Speaker 4: in that moment. And basically, you know when I came
Speaker 4: down south, my mama's family is from down here, and
Speaker 4: I came down here really the term of the new
Speaker 4: leads to give my life together right and tried to
Speaker 4: do the right thing through some part of the things.
Speaker 4: So I was raised on them and I came down
Speaker 4: here and I've always dealt with his laying in the
Speaker 4: mathematics and in ways to uplift our people as a nation.
Speaker 4: And so we were doing a lot of positive things
Speaker 4: in the community. But you got to realize the gold Well,
Speaker 4: there's a town that they that the Klan literally I'm
Speaker 4: talking about the Cluekhuts plans literally marched.
Speaker 1: As we did to downtown.
Speaker 2: We're talking about the North Carolina Correctional Facility.
Speaker 4: We talked about doctics and lawyers and tastes. I mean,
Speaker 4: all of these people were ever in the clan. It
Speaker 4: was an open secret but there was no way to
Speaker 4: pull it. You know why they marched because they got
Speaker 4: their hoods on and so this is the type of time.
Speaker 1: That we were dealing with.
Speaker 4: And because we were joint all of these positive days,
Speaker 4: some of the degger I didn't put in the documentary
Speaker 4: because you know, it's you know, I deal with the
Speaker 4: you know, with the course and anything like that. Some
Speaker 4: of these police were doing some things in the hoods
Speaker 4: that was real shady, or a few cops in Goldsborough
Speaker 4: or other investigation. So there was a love the shading
Speaker 4: is going on with this racism and then seeing us
Speaker 4: bring our people up and ringing our people up out
Speaker 4: of the point the stats that they were at. It
Speaker 4: wasn't happy. They weren't happy about what was going on
Speaker 4: and showed when so white people got killed and they
Speaker 4: were able to vote. Yet the individual they found out
Speaker 4: or thought had did it once that happened, man they
Speaker 4: used had they say, had to miss.
Speaker 1: Me and this man can Harley Bee.
Speaker 4: But they manipulated him into saying my name and his
Speaker 4: son's name and the rest ASSISI.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, So they had a man to get this
Speaker 3: trait to reiterate a man with the mension they talked
Speaker 3: to him and he had shr life hanging in the
Speaker 3: balance and he can't even remember his name.
Speaker 1: Exactly. And the end of the that was the person
Speaker 1: that they used. And I mean, there was no question
Speaker 1: what was going on.
Speaker 4: There was no question about the railroad, there was no
Speaker 4: question about what they weren't simpting to do. It was
Speaker 4: simply no. If there was no one to stop it,
Speaker 4: there was no remedy for us. Right, there was no
Speaker 4: one to Highland. There was no hour sharpness of printing
Speaker 4: me closson one of those for the steps into the case.
Speaker 4: Because again, like I said, this is prior to the Internet,
Speaker 4: and so to get had these type of individuals, you
Speaker 4: had to have links to them. You just couldn't post
Speaker 4: them online and say hey, what's going on. So I
Speaker 4: didn't have those type of connections. I didn't have nothing,
Speaker 4: and so when it was going down, it just went there.
Speaker 1: Okay, you know, it wasn't a this wasn't a this
Speaker 1: wasn't a story that made news or anything like that. So,
Speaker 1: like you said, without the Internet, without social media, there's
Speaker 1: no way for it to stretch, for other people to
Speaker 1: be able to hear this story. So, uh, you you
Speaker 1: you you feeling like, basically, like you said, there's nobody
Speaker 1: to represent for there's no out sharp things, and there's
Speaker 1: no campaigns. There's no jay Z and them with reform
Speaker 1: and all that type of shit.
Speaker 4: Right, absolutely, I mean I sort of liked the movie,
Speaker 4: if y'all. If y'all, I'm sure y'all remember the movie
Speaker 4: of Tom.
Speaker 1: The Q right with that? Yeah, Yeah, definitely I remember that.
Speaker 1: You see that movie.
Speaker 4: You see the way it was, the way it was tructured,
Speaker 4: you know, leaking out to people, that's what it was.
Speaker 1: You had to reach out with letters, you right, you
Speaker 1: keep on in a lot of parts.
Speaker 4: Man, A lot of these people, the so called leaders,
Speaker 4: it ain't no cameras, they ain't coming, right, If you
Speaker 4: ain't got a case that's already flooding with cameras and
Speaker 4: already flooded with publicity, they don't come through. And that's
Speaker 4: to this day, right, the reason why they so ubiquitous
Speaker 4: now again because of the Internet. But back then you
Speaker 4: had to have the actual network. And of course you
Speaker 4: already know it if you are part of a network,
Speaker 4: if you're on NBC or yes, and this is the
Speaker 4: narrative that they're treating your stories are part of that narrative.
Speaker 4: Back then, the narrative was controlled by the main stream.
Speaker 4: That narrative was controlled by individuals who wanted to use
Speaker 4: your story and manipulated.
Speaker 1: So that and to me, I feel in that. I
Speaker 1: feel in it in the old you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because I didn't have none of that connection. Oh wow wow.
Speaker 3: So you know one of the things, Man, the reason
Speaker 3: why I want have you on the show, Man shout
Speaker 3: out to the homie Man Akasha Man, because he stayed Man,
Speaker 3: he stayed pumping you up.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: That dude is like, Man, I think he's one of
Speaker 3: your top supporters.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: He had been telling you about about telling me about
Speaker 3: shot from the first time we start doing our business, right,
Speaker 3: and that's my problem, man, Yeah, And he told me, yeah,
Speaker 3: And the way your name came up, he's another brother
Speaker 3: that came home and kind of hit the ground running.
Speaker 3: So he came home, kind of jumped in the movie game.
Speaker 3: And he said, yeah, my partner, Man kwime mate hooked
Speaker 3: me up and plugged me up with this. And I said,
Speaker 3: so a brother that was locked up plugged you into
Speaker 3: the film industry, learn.
Speaker 4: Right, I mean, you know the thing about it is, Man,
Speaker 4: I'm ast harm believer in each one teach one. You know,
Speaker 4: once you get an opportunity, you have a responsibility to
Speaker 4: open that door for somebody else. And so you know,
Speaker 4: we what we have me and my wife David name,
Speaker 4: we have a platform called prison Riot Radio dot com all.
Speaker 4: And what President Right Radio does is we perform. We
Speaker 4: provide a platform for the incost reading. They formally in
Speaker 4: cost reading right because there's a lot of people that
Speaker 4: have to cost reded that don't have anybody outside and
Speaker 4: don't have any family, any friends, nobody to pick up
Speaker 4: the phone right now. You know, when you deal with
Speaker 4: prison Right Radio, you can go to the phone, call
Speaker 4: us collect right. We take collect call and we all
Speaker 4: we ask is you know we think if you got
Speaker 4: money in your books, please don't think because.
Speaker 1: It's coming from us. We do.
Speaker 4: We're struggling to get this done. But if you ain't
Speaker 4: got nobody, may call us. We talk about the case.
Speaker 4: We can talk about Prinson conditions. Some bubbles leave the
Speaker 4: call right and they got a podcast every week, right,
Speaker 4: they can just talk about the things that they want
Speaker 4: to talk about. Because what we want to do is
Speaker 4: rector bubbles know and he says and tell you matter,
Speaker 4: your voice matters. And so we created that platform and
Speaker 4: the costume was one of the brothers who came to
Speaker 4: that platform, and we just connected from there. And you know,
Speaker 4: like when we talk about real recognized real not real
Speaker 4: recognize everything right then, so me and the problem was
Speaker 4: able to connect on levels that we were able to say,
Speaker 4: you know what, let's think this to the next level.
Speaker 4: And so we took Dutch and we created Dutch Men
Speaker 4: West in what the Dutch Me and West is is
Speaker 4: the production the self production company that is designed to
Speaker 4: help bathers and sisters that's in the Midwest.
Speaker 1: Get them get their voice out. And their only.
Speaker 2: Circulation had sixty second want you get on?
Speaker 1: You got to put somebody else on. That's the basis
Speaker 1: of Dutch minws. That is dope. Man.
Speaker 3: That's incredible man. And they say we got sixty seconds left.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure you go call back in here too.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, for sure, I need you to come back
Speaker 3: through just for a little bit more. Bro a, yeah, come,
Speaker 3: I appreciate that, Oh for sure. For sure. For those
Speaker 3: that just tapped in with this man we on there
Speaker 3: with the homy man, you know what would trip me
Speaker 3: out about this man, is you got some motherfucker's man
Speaker 3: that's free, it's out on the streets and can't get
Speaker 3: shipped done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's difficult when you come home, you know,
Speaker 1: unless you got some kind of foundation or some kind
Speaker 1: of support. You know, a lot of the home these
Speaker 1: a lot of brothers come home and you know, uh,
Speaker 1: it's a struggle, you know what I'm saying, especially depending
Speaker 1: on what you're coming home for. You know, Uh, you
Speaker 1: see a lot of niggas coming home now, you know
Speaker 1: a lot of rap dudes and you know, getting that
Speaker 1: type of shit going on. But for a real motherfucker,
Speaker 1: you know who's a hard who's a nigga who you
Speaker 1: know has been locked down for a while, or you know,
Speaker 1: just you know, it's just on the street, in the
Speaker 1: street ship, you know what I'm saying, doing his thing,
Speaker 1: making his bread on that type of you. You you
Speaker 1: have to find some kind of support and some kind
Speaker 1: of foundation so you don't so you don't turn back
Speaker 1: and end up back in the ship. You feel me with.
Speaker 3: Without a doubt. So we got kwame t back on man,
Speaker 3: what I was going into. Man, And that's that's the thing. Man,
Speaker 3: I just wish you was out here sitting with us, man,
Speaker 3: because there's so much I want to talk to you about, right,
Speaker 3: but I want to make sure I get the important
Speaker 3: message out, you know, and that is about the case.
Speaker 3: And we gonna have the documentary. Man, It's gonna be
Speaker 3: a link to the documentary in this interview, So y'all
Speaker 3: can go watch it, come back and listen to the interview.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. We here live and direct
Speaker 3: again with the Homi kwame tag. So I got to
Speaker 3: jump into this man, real quick. It's like I said,
Speaker 3: we don't have a whole bunch of time, right, you
Speaker 3: wind up man writing some of the assisting in some
Speaker 3: of the biggest shows and television right right. And I'll
Speaker 3: let you speak on that, man, because I think it's
Speaker 3: real powerful and I don't want to mess it up.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So basically, like basically what I was saying in the
Speaker 4: documentary was the foundation of all of these movies, I mean,
Speaker 4: all of these TV shows, all of that, the urban
Speaker 4: book game right to two dollars three, that ship machine.
Speaker 1: Everything really changed, right.
Speaker 4: Everybody started writing with urban lit type of way, right
Speaker 4: and and and the black authors started to respond to
Speaker 4: that because when you when you see the character, I
Speaker 4: mean that the post of the coming out about that time,
Speaker 4: everything had a little urban, a little urban flavor to
Speaker 4: it because of us. And then all of a sudden
Speaker 4: they come the empire. He come in comes powerway income
Speaker 4: all of the other day. But nobody is singing where
Speaker 4: it came from. Nobody is saying, you know, any are
Speaker 4: the people who are established this established in lane right here,
Speaker 4: urban book writers and Dutch being one of the man.
Speaker 2: From the North Carolina correctional facility.
Speaker 4: So for me, I was able to connect with Manny
Speaker 4: Hally from the mini films and we were able to
Speaker 4: put together Dutch one, Dutch two and Dutch Street which
Speaker 4: is right now on b C and DD plus. And
Speaker 4: then I went in did the movie Sin with Louis Gotsij,
Speaker 4: The Lady Unite three Lewis Gotsi listen even other strengts
Speaker 4: was s so much that he did it for scale
Speaker 4: and a lot of things. I may not know scale live,
Speaker 4: but the shack for you sad actors to have to
Speaker 4: get paid for it, but the scale means you basically
Speaker 4: took minimum way. So we had this brother come in
Speaker 4: and then the movie Sind. He plays a blind painter.
Speaker 4: He loved the role so much he said he'd be
Speaker 4: willing to go for minimum waves. And I always respect
Speaker 4: the ot for that man. God's so the beautiful, beautiful
Speaker 4: brother man. If he got sent off, that's on to
Speaker 4: me right now with fella Black, Yo, she's just check
Speaker 4: out fell the Black. And then we got scelling Yours
Speaker 4: with styles p from the Locks. Then I got Cream
Speaker 4: with me and him on roll, and then of course
Speaker 4: the constant, me and Natasha. We got the Twisted Love
Speaker 4: movie out there, and we also got Queen of the Track,
Speaker 4: so we got some maids.
Speaker 1: We got some vegnituations out there.
Speaker 4: Man. Like I said, we always looking for talent in
Speaker 4: front of the camera, behind the camera, because my whole
Speaker 4: thing is, I know how it feels for somebody to
Speaker 4: say nothing.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: If we do the writing letter, you get nowas bond,
Speaker 4: but you need to call the call the phone and
Speaker 4: they don't get asked. So what we're doing the same. Listen,
Speaker 4: if you all about your business and you said so,
Speaker 4: now come rock with us wherever you at, where if
Speaker 4: you're in Canada, if you ain't Texas, wherever you're at,
Speaker 4: if you're trying to make movies. If you're trying to
Speaker 4: make you you're think yo, come through, because what is
Speaker 4: going through, what it is gonna take the Raisers nation
Speaker 4: is we're gonna have to all come together.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: We ain't got to change the back the bad gonna changeself.
Speaker 4: You're changing us since we started with the Brules, right,
Speaker 4: but we took God. We took straight when we turned
Speaker 4: it into the gospel music. But we shook our blues
Speaker 4: and they took it returned into rock and roll. Right.
Speaker 4: It took God, it took our music and did everything
Speaker 4: they did with So now it's an opportunity now for
Speaker 4: us all to come together, raise up as.
Speaker 1: One and start building like that because we we want this.
Speaker 4: Well, really, when you really think about it, Old Old
Speaker 4: Colture is based off of hip hop.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: You see all of the close, the way people wear clothed,
Speaker 4: the way people talk now, the way people move, all
Speaker 4: of this, see all of that's us. And so we
Speaker 4: come back and take our poper package over its shows
Speaker 4: the two go. We show the are the original people,
Speaker 4: so that this is our gold. This is our vision man,
Speaker 4: and it's not I'm trying to get at oh man.
Speaker 3: Incredible, incredible, you know One of the things, man, I
Speaker 3: was just talking to eight about, you know when you
Speaker 3: was calling back, was this is you have people who
Speaker 3: have their freedom right, I'm talking about free and they
Speaker 3: could do whatever they want to, but they always got
Speaker 3: excuses it can't get nothing done. You definitely, man, You
Speaker 3: definitely a testament to where if there's a wheel, there's
Speaker 3: a way.
Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely. I mean one thing on one thing I
Speaker 4: said about freedom. Man, A lot of times people around
Speaker 4: the world don't realize that they're free, right, And that
Speaker 4: might sound.
Speaker 1: Crazy to you because this thing about six fix.
Speaker 4: Don't know it's in water, it's triming around the water
Speaker 4: on this Vegas chilling is laid back like this is
Speaker 4: what's up?
Speaker 1: Right, until they see that little clean and they roll
Speaker 1: up on that glean like, what the fuck is what's fish?
Speaker 1: Oh shit? This a worm flowing around? When you get
Speaker 1: that oh they got when they pulled out that water.
Speaker 1: Now this sone is real, It's like, yo, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: Where my man? Right? They don't know what that is.
Speaker 1: But when they fight, when they keep fighting, when they
Speaker 1: keep moving, they.
Speaker 4: Keep moving against that there, that hook, they keep moving
Speaker 4: against them hard, and they fight and get off of
Speaker 4: that now they know what freedom is. Now they know
Speaker 4: that there's another that they don't want no part of. Like,
Speaker 4: I don't know what the fuck that was, But from
Speaker 4: now on, I am not thinking. I ain't thinking no
Speaker 4: more free food. Right, So and then jump fish don't
Speaker 4: never get that though, right dump fish, they end up
Speaker 4: on your plate.
Speaker 1: They never get a second. Said.
Speaker 4: So I say that to say that a lot of
Speaker 4: people don't know they beat free until that freedom gets taken.
Speaker 4: And then once that freedom gets taken, then it becomes oh,
Speaker 4: now I see what's going on. And so as individuals
Speaker 4: have been incarcerated, a lot of people will know the
Speaker 4: shielding to get that taking and get it out.
Speaker 1: They know exactly what they value, they know what they got,
Speaker 1: and they doing all they can to just all with it.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm I'm knowing understand why. Yeah, And like
Speaker 4: I said, knowing, I'm the original man, I know that
Speaker 4: I have a duty and a responsibility no matter where
Speaker 4: I'm at. We gotta raise these things. The daies are
Speaker 4: the greatest. Like we over to these days, man and
Speaker 4: get them everything that they possibly can.
Speaker 1: So they gotta they gotta do it. We had to
Speaker 1: do it, you know what I mean? And so that's why, that's.
Speaker 4: Why for me, the freedom for me is all about
Speaker 4: the duty of showing the fool and who I am,
Speaker 4: and showing the fool.
Speaker 3: And who we are without a doubt.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: You know, I wish I could hook you up with
Speaker 3: the homie shield Man. How much longer do shield got?
Speaker 3: Eight Chill probably be home and hopefully by the end
Speaker 3: of the year. Hopefully by the end of the year, Man,
Speaker 3: I wish I could hook you up with the homy
Speaker 3: shield Man. I might still try to make that happen
Speaker 3: if it's a way to connect y'all. I think, like
Speaker 3: you said, he just got a few more months, man,
Speaker 3: But that would have been something good for him to
Speaker 3: link up with you man, you know, because you got
Speaker 3: a lot of good stuff going on.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: And if there's any way man, like I said, I can't,
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure I speak for eight too.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: Any way we can help you, man and contribute to
Speaker 3: what you got going on, Man, we with it, you know,
Speaker 3: don yo.
Speaker 4: I appreciate that many. I definitely appreciate that. And like
Speaker 4: I said, coming from y'all brothers, man, still you ain't
Speaker 4: show me now but love since you you and I
Speaker 4: was introduced and like I said, eight eight and as
Speaker 4: on his shelf, right, I mean I'm still thinking about
Speaker 4: music the crib by right, I mean, like yo, So
Speaker 4: just just having his opportunity to be in the Brother's.
Speaker 2: Friends from the North Carolina Correctional Facility.
Speaker 4: Is a blessing in the honor, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Like but like I said, man, my whole point is
Speaker 4: what we got. Man, we created this. Man, he created this.
Speaker 4: And it's no reason, it's no reason why everybody in
Speaker 4: this game, everybody that's together collected that we can have
Speaker 4: our own thing about to be right now the way
Speaker 4: too me we po show me up the same way
Speaker 4: back in the thing. Remember when we had flops, the
Speaker 4: flots TeV before before us, the ain't had.
Speaker 1: Nothing, Karate move.
Speaker 4: Then all of a sudden you had Living Color, you
Speaker 4: had boy, you had a living single. And now all
Speaker 4: of a sudden they making a whole lot of money.
Speaker 4: They assuming we got twenty forty. Turning back on the
Speaker 4: black community, same thing with Tube. We flow these people
Speaker 4: out the border, they get a bigging on the fail
Speaker 4: taim out. Next thing you know, they're not even cutting
Speaker 4: the rates off of everybody. So it's time for us
Speaker 4: to know and understand. Man, we got to treat our
Speaker 4: own platform like yard like the one you got right now,
Speaker 4: this where this is our home. This is where we
Speaker 4: need to be bringing our move This is where we
Speaker 4: need to be bringing our movie right, this is where
Speaker 4: we need to be bringing all of our creative function man,
Speaker 4: because we need to have our own.
Speaker 3: Well, it was the main that and that was the
Speaker 3: main like reason I started thirty one forty TV because
Speaker 3: I saw all the stuff that's coming out with the
Speaker 3: CPMs getting till I saw all this happening four years ago, right,
Speaker 3: and I said, Man, you know what, I'm gonna start
Speaker 3: a platform. Man, I'm gonna build a platform for us
Speaker 3: Man that you're not gonna have to jump through the
Speaker 3: hoops because I saw right. You know when you initially
Speaker 3: went to to BE, it was easy to get on
Speaker 3: to BE at first, right, But now you know, unless
Speaker 3: you're one of these people. Man, you looking at man,
Speaker 3: maybe a three to six month wait time used to
Speaker 3: get your fem on there. Man, you're looking at the CPM.
Speaker 3: You're looking at probably possibly not even making your investment
Speaker 3: back because they don't cut the rates so low. And
Speaker 3: that's all right, And that's all on black films, man,
Speaker 3: it's all on black films. I'm talking about You got
Speaker 3: films man, that are doing bigger numbers than they did
Speaker 3: on they on they you know, on their first joints, right,
Speaker 3: but they making less ninety So I said, you know what, man,
Speaker 3: I'm look clear the platform because we blew that up.
Speaker 3: Like you said, Man, it was us sharing two be
Speaker 3: on social media, man and putting all this stuff out
Speaker 3: there and driving people through the platform, right because TB
Speaker 3: was the who place a lot of us could get movies,
Speaker 3: you know. And the good thing about it, you saw
Speaker 3: a bunch of black millionaires created.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: But I would be.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be wrong if I said that them days
Speaker 3: is probably over with, you know, as far as getting
Speaker 3: money like that, you know, it'll never be like it was.
Speaker 3: And they already kind of took music from us, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like anything man, that we've used
Speaker 3: as a people man to kind of get up out
Speaker 3: of our situation. They try to find a way to
Speaker 3: mitigate it, you know, they try to find a way
Speaker 3: to put a stop to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for real. You know that's why it's the lout
Speaker 1: you your hate flawing.
Speaker 4: Man's right, it's my it's grawny man, so real like
Speaker 4: this is where we all be, Like I'm looking forward
Speaker 4: to bringing to Day's street with how to shout with
Speaker 4: doubt because I'm not gonna want to be a part
Speaker 4: of what you're doing, man, because this is needed, this
Speaker 4: is what needed. We gotta find a way to bring
Speaker 4: how old throughout to your point blank and that's gonna
Speaker 4: take a committee.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: But what y'all throwing y'all starting that soundation. They gotta
Speaker 4: start somewhere and it's signing right here, man. So I really,
Speaker 4: like I said, I'll just think that I think this
Speaker 4: is a powerful statement. Man.
Speaker 1: That's you're making my family in the town. You already
Speaker 1: know capital party well for sure, for sure, man, I
Speaker 1: appreciate that we all we always I've always told still
Speaker 1: that you know, we need to get back to connecting
Speaker 1: with with with with with real peoples you feel me
Speaker 1: and and not just a lot of these motherfuckers like
Speaker 1: you said, just get stuck. Like you said, niggas. Niggas
Speaker 1: think they free, but they ain't free. And we need
Speaker 1: to be able to provide a platform for homies like yourself,
Speaker 1: homies like my nigga to chia like my nigga chill.
Speaker 1: Just just niggas who are trying to establish brothers who
Speaker 1: trying to establish themselves and do something outside of you know,
Speaker 1: being incarcerated, but still have a positive message to bring
Speaker 1: to the to the youngsters. So you know, I'm glad
Speaker 1: we was able to do this today because it's very
Speaker 1: important for people to be able to hear brothers behind
Speaker 1: the wall and stuff can situations, but uh, people need
Speaker 1: to know that it's a lot of talent man out there,
Speaker 1: and it's a lot of brothers with real stories to
Speaker 1: tell you.
Speaker 3: It's real Manlo you know, you know one more thing, man,
Speaker 3: where can the people touch you at? Man? Where can
Speaker 3: the people because there's a lot of people listening to
Speaker 3: this podcast, bro, where can the people get at you at?
Speaker 4: Like?
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Speaker 4: Maybe the main way is going to Printon Riot Radio
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Speaker 4: may I urge y'all man, please go out there and
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Speaker 4: I'm trying to give my faith to twenty King Gartas
Speaker 4: because you have She's doing a lot of things to
Speaker 4: get people out.
Speaker 1: Man. So I definitely needed much off as I a fivetykad.
Speaker 4: But again I want to say, y'all appreciate you steal
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Speaker 3: There, kwan me t You know the one thing about
Speaker 3: it eight right. What I always say is this man,
Speaker 3: and I think us as black people, man, we got
Speaker 3: a lot of talent, right, But when I tell you, man,
Speaker 3: I think we some of the laziest motherfuckers in the world.
Speaker 3: Sometimes some of us, man, and we always looking for
Speaker 3: a handout. You know how many times I see like
Speaker 3: young brothers that rap, for example, they blaming you and
Speaker 3: snooping all of y'all for them not being able to
Speaker 3: get on right When wasn't nobody there to throw y'all
Speaker 3: no rope When we did what we did, wasn't nobody
Speaker 3: there to throw us no rope. We kind of just
Speaker 3: had to go out and do it. You feel what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. Definitely, I know I didn't look for nobody.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't. I didn't. I didn't have a I
Speaker 1: don't want to say like I had niggas who were
Speaker 1: in the business, because you know, rap was fresh. You know,
Speaker 1: rap was probably about what ten years fresh when we failed.
Speaker 3: But you were looking for Tuddy t to come and
Speaker 3: get Hey, I'm gonna take you to the studio.
Speaker 1: I wasn't okay, exactly, I wasn't looking for NWA to
Speaker 1: put us on because I them niggas don't know me
Speaker 1: from a I mean they know me because Brin used
Speaker 1: to be across the street from Chill Spot. And I
Speaker 1: look at it like this, if your a natural talent
Speaker 1: and a motherfucker discover you, they discover you, right, h.
Speaker 1: But I didn't expect for it to happen, right. I
Speaker 1: didn't expect for Easy to give me a deal. I
Speaker 1: didn't expect for ice Q to give me a deal.
Speaker 3: Right, So you knew all these cats, these cats was
Speaker 3: all in your week.
Speaker 1: Chat norm right. You know, like I said, our men,
Speaker 1: Chill was in Chill was in two of Easy's videos.
Speaker 1: I was in we Won't Easy video, and they knew
Speaker 1: we was rapping. Easy knew we was trying to form
Speaker 1: a little group. We was calling ourselves Confdence, most wanted
Speaker 1: and whatever. But I didn't look to get put on.
Speaker 1: I looked at it like nigga we in the studio.
Speaker 1: If that's it, you get me, that's what fuck it?
Speaker 1: Were making demo tapes. I was looking to get cooked
Speaker 1: up with a record company. You get me, was his
Speaker 1: dude or what? I ain't look for No nigga to
Speaker 1: walk me in the door. I had slip. We had
Speaker 1: slip doing beats. You know, Unknown was doing whatever. He
Speaker 1: was the mouthpiece and the business nigga. And we got
Speaker 1: on like that. We made demo tapes and and here
Speaker 1: you go, fuck it. And then the beginning when in
Speaker 1: the beginning, just like now niggas can put their own
Speaker 1: shit out or whatever whatever. That's what Unknown did you
Speaker 1: give me? Had I've been you know, I was a
Speaker 1: young nigga sixteen years old, you know, fifteen sixteen, you know,
Speaker 1: had I, you know, and these niggas had they little labels,
Speaker 1: you know whatever. So that's how we got on. We
Speaker 1: went through Unknown and got on tech No Hop, and
Speaker 1: we went through Linzo and got on crew Cutting on
Speaker 1: the Compton compilation. And that's how we got on.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: We didn't just you know, Easy was big time and
Speaker 1: all these niggas. I don't know if we looked for, say, oh, nigga,
Speaker 1: put me, you know, like and I didn't get mad
Speaker 1: about it, right, We didn't get get mad because sh
Speaker 1: ty T was from the hood. But we didn't go, hey, Todd,
Speaker 1: you're supposed to put us on. You get me. And
Speaker 1: then we wasn't you know as disrespectful by thinking, old nigga,
Speaker 1: your time is up. It's time to pass the mic
Speaker 1: and put us.
Speaker 3: Say you know what, man, you were supposed to go
Speaker 3: smash on tidy t and easy and say, niggas y'all
Speaker 3: getting them a way, y'all supposed to let me in
Speaker 3: the door.
Speaker 1: Now, y'all the way I've always been. I've always been
Speaker 1: a nigga who felt like, you know, you gotta get
Speaker 1: it in. You gotta get it in.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: Now, some niggas get discovered you get me, and they
Speaker 1: get put on and they get the glass slipper and
Speaker 1: and all that shit and whatever. Some niggas got to
Speaker 1: grind for it. And that's what we did. You get me.
Speaker 1: We went the back door route. We had to grind
Speaker 1: you get me. We didn't expect the nigga within the
Speaker 1: STAB career to walk us through the door. And then
Speaker 1: when we were establishing our careers, we didn't hate on
Speaker 1: the niggas who was cracking.
Speaker 3: You feel me.
Speaker 1: I didn't hate on King t or Ice Teeth or
Speaker 1: motherfucking Nwa and nobody. I felt like, nigga, we gotta
Speaker 1: get it in and we're gonna put our shit down
Speaker 1: and that's how we're gonna climb the ladder. So, you know,
Speaker 1: but you know, some some you know nowadays it's about
Speaker 1: you know, some dudes. I'm not gonna say all, but
Speaker 1: some dudes feel, you know that they should be walked
Speaker 1: in and the torture should be passed, and some niggas
Speaker 1: should be you know, some niggas should stop rapping and
Speaker 1: move over and letting write for me or do my beats,
Speaker 1: and you need to try to get me a deal,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: Man, Hey, that's why I don't even let niggas know
Speaker 3: I make beats. Well, you don't even let it. I
Speaker 3: don't make beats. I don't make beets. Hey, I don't
Speaker 3: know if you notice, you can see I don't let
Speaker 3: my ship grow in, right, yeah, I see that. You know,
Speaker 3: you know you don't went on vacation. Nigga didn't even
Speaker 3: let your ship just you let your man. I'm looking, oh,
Speaker 3: g come in. You know what, bro, Because my wife
Speaker 3: looked at me one day and said, well, I like
Speaker 3: that you look so sexy like that. I said yeah,
Speaker 3: and I said, let me get this old like I
Speaker 3: don't have more page.
Speaker 1: Before, ain't nothing wrong with maturity.
Speaker 3: You know, ain't nothing wrong man.
Speaker 1: And if you feel, if you feel young at heart
Speaker 1: and you're energetic, and you add in the gym and
Speaker 1: you got you know, stamina and you're able to keep up,
Speaker 1: you know, then ship, you ain't old motherfucker.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm in the space my life now.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you could tell I don't got
Speaker 3: slim and trim on them, dog. You know I got
Speaker 3: I got my stuff back, man, and my stamina is upright.
Speaker 3: And I said, you know what, man, I'm gonna stop
Speaker 3: dying my shit because it's almost it's disrespectful to God
Speaker 3: by me doing that. Like what am I trying to
Speaker 3: cover up? It's like this is wisdom, bro.
Speaker 1: I mean you you're only doing that if you are
Speaker 1: trying to catch you some young thing or something. If
Speaker 1: you don't you happily married for thirty five years, so
Speaker 1: you you ain't got nothing to worry about maturious maturity.
Speaker 1: And you know we should we should embrace that. You know.
Speaker 1: So some people scared of getting of age and and
Speaker 1: you know, but again, if you got confident people around you,
Speaker 1: and you confident yourself, and people love and believe in you,
Speaker 1: just like you do them. They not worried about your age.
Speaker 1: You know we all, like I said, a motherfucker that's
Speaker 1: one today. Don't be sixty one day. You understand, Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, if he keep on living, there's there's there's
Speaker 1: nothing you can do about aging, but keeping up your health.
Speaker 1: That's why. Shit, nigga, I'm in the gym almost every day,
Speaker 1: uh me and you both. So it's just about it's
Speaker 1: how you treating yourself. A lot of homies done passed
Speaker 1: away because unfortunately, like I tell niggas, we was living
Speaker 1: hard in our young days. You're getting especially coming up
Speaker 1: as a as a young teenager and hanging in the hood,
Speaker 1: and and and and and becoming an m C. And
Speaker 1: you got late nights in the alley ways on the block,
Speaker 1: and you drinking that you drinking the you're drinking the
Speaker 1: cheapest ship you can afford, especially when you hustling. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Niggas drinking Christian Brothers and seagums,
Speaker 1: gin and the old English eight hundreds and ship, smoking
Speaker 1: stress weed and eating eating fried chicken and burgers and
Speaker 1: all kinds of shit. And you continue that ship for
Speaker 1: a long time. You get me one thing niggas don't
Speaker 1: think about when they only come up and when you
Speaker 1: in that age bracket of feeling invincible, last thing you
Speaker 1: think about is going to the doctor and checking health.
Speaker 1: Shit you get me and how the niggas fall victim
Speaker 1: to It's too late to make that term, you know,
Speaker 1: My nigga, My nigga rich, rest in peace. My nigga's
Speaker 1: the same age of us as us. You'd have thought
Speaker 1: this nigga would have lived forever, you know. Like I said,
Speaker 1: my nigga was still in the streets. My nigga was
Speaker 1: every day and he you know, and he lived in Vegas,
Speaker 1: So my nigga was every day.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: And this is a nigga that I've known for a
Speaker 1: long time, and we would come when I say, we
Speaker 1: congresated every day like motherfucking two gossiping bitches or two
Speaker 1: gossiping females.
Speaker 3: And your old niggas was on it. That was your
Speaker 3: homie man, that was your friend, that was your brother.
Speaker 1: Talked to this nigga every month. He would call me
Speaker 1: morning afternoon because that was his schedule. And it was
Speaker 1: always a story because like I said, my nigga was
Speaker 1: still on the block. He was still hustling, and he
Speaker 1: was out there so being in that that that you know,
Speaker 1: that party town, and just man, nigga. Four o'clock in
Speaker 1: the morning, niggah, nigga, I just came from Woot whooping
Speaker 1: Woot to whooping. Then ten o'clock in the in the
Speaker 1: in the morning, twelve in the afternoon, nigga just stories
Speaker 1: all day. But the main thing I would do is
Speaker 1: be like, nigga, what you eat today? Nigga, you drink
Speaker 1: some water today, nigga used to or just nigga, you
Speaker 1: can't do that, you can't do that. Then I used
Speaker 1: to tell a nigga, then you used to find you
Speaker 1: need to find you a woman. You know, he was chasing,
Speaker 1: he was, he was out there. You know, you find
Speaker 1: you a woman. Nigga, Slow the fuck down, somebody cook
Speaker 1: you some home cooked meals and you know, get your
Speaker 1: ass to go, take you a check up and all
Speaker 1: that shit, and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he was yeah,
Speaker 1: nigga to death. And then I would tell a nigga.
Speaker 1: But you know something, when you a nigga who lived
Speaker 1: your life how you want to live it, you gonna
Speaker 1: do what the fuck you wanna do. It was hard
Speaker 1: to get a nigga to change his path, because at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I don't give a fuck
Speaker 1: what advice you telling nigga, Steve. And you know, damn well,
Speaker 1: it's the best advice you can hear. At the end
Speaker 1: of the day. My nigga was gonna do what the
Speaker 1: fuck he wanted to do.
Speaker 3: What he want to do. Man, It's like my nigga,
Speaker 3: Big Bruce wrist in peace. You you remember Big Bruce
Speaker 3: some Compton. My nigga ate himself to death. Dog, and
Speaker 3: it wasn't nothing to us. Gonna tell him, Man, you
Speaker 3: can talk with him all day. Man, a nigga could
Speaker 3: offer Bruce some billion dollars. Dog, My nigga was gonna
Speaker 3: go out and eat. He was gonna drink all of Hennessy.
Speaker 3: He was gonna drink all the bruise. He was gonna
Speaker 3: go out and nigga joy life.
Speaker 1: You know exactly. That's rich. He gonna go out enjoyed life.
Speaker 1: He like fucked that because there was nowhere in his
Speaker 1: in his in his consciousness of thinking, one of these weeks,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wake up and I'm gonna fall the fuck out,
Speaker 1: and that's gonna be it. He eating. There's no inklinique,
Speaker 1: none that he even thought like that. So I know
Speaker 1: that they he passed. He woke up just thinking it
Speaker 1: was gonna be a normal motherfucking day. And just like
Speaker 1: I was telling Shield the other day, because we've known
Speaker 1: a lot of niggas who have passed, and niggas in
Speaker 1: our age group, right, niggas like fifty and sixties is passing, right,
Speaker 1: and you get to wondering, like, damn, what the fuck happened?
Speaker 1: I didn't have like rich my nigga, my t just
Speaker 1: pat nigga, my nigga. Willy Z just passed, ain't they crazy? Man?
Speaker 3: Willias he passed away. Yeah, for those that don't know
Speaker 3: who willy Z was, willy Z is probably one of
Speaker 3: the coldest piano players in the game. Oh my god,
Speaker 3: He's to lay you with some shit, didn't he?
Speaker 4: Eight man?
Speaker 1: I seen it on slips page, just like last week,
Speaker 1: and I said, you fucking kidding me. But again, outside,
Speaker 1: we know a lot of niggas and you get to
Speaker 1: thinking like I wonder what that, right, Like I wonder
Speaker 1: what my nigga, you know, died from. And most of
Speaker 1: the time it's some some it's something some internal ship
Speaker 1: that a nigga probably wasn't thinking about until it's too late.
Speaker 1: And it's because that day come and nigga, another one
Speaker 1: of my niggas, my nigga I used to go to
Speaker 1: Japan with Rest in Peace. My nigga teed up from
Speaker 1: Folks from the group.
Speaker 3: Folks mean you was both at the funeral together. We
Speaker 3: wanted the funeral together and come.
Speaker 1: On, man, it's like like and like you said, and
Speaker 1: my nigga teamed up. He was he he had a
Speaker 1: little complications, you know, because you know when we went
Speaker 1: to Japan, you know, he put me up on game.
Speaker 1: So every time I would talk to Tup, I would
Speaker 1: ask him, you know, how he was doing and what.
Speaker 1: But you the shit just hit you. It just you
Speaker 1: think you you think you'd be straight, and that shit
Speaker 1: just hits you out of nowhere.
Speaker 3: Well, if you saw it's sudden. If you saw the
Speaker 3: guy Chris Johnson, Chris Johnson one of the coldest running backs.
Speaker 3: I a would say Chris Johnson is at least a
Speaker 3: top ten NFL running back of all time right and
Speaker 3: for him, the man acquire als man at thirty one
Speaker 3: years old, man stealing the prime of his health. Bro
Speaker 3: and can't even hold his daughter. Now, Bro, how fucked
Speaker 3: up is that?
Speaker 1: Like I said, it's unfortunately, man, shit, but like shit happens.
Speaker 3: You know what, man, I'm gonna tell you, And this
Speaker 3: is what I've been on lately.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 3: If you notice eight I've been smashing. I'm gonna tell
Speaker 3: the fans now, Man, I owe y'all in the policy
Speaker 3: because we haven't been on our ship like we should be,
Speaker 3: like how we normally is. But I tell y'all were
Speaker 3: gonna make it up to y'all. Eight Gotta Podcast coming, man,
Speaker 3: y'all get ready. Man, it's gonna be on thirty one
Speaker 3: forty TV.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: That way, my nigga gona be able to do what
Speaker 3: he wants to want here, gonna be able to smoke
Speaker 3: his herbs and talk all this ship and make some
Speaker 3: money right stash Spot Radio coming Definitely.
Speaker 1: We're trying to be the real ship about and this today.
Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta you gotta do a gang of ship.
Speaker 1: You feel me?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to and we go. You know that
Speaker 3: don't mean we go make gainst the Chronicle suffer. This
Speaker 3: ship is about to get even bigger and better. If anything,
Speaker 3: we probably gon go back to more of the ship
Speaker 3: we're supposed to be.
Speaker 1: Doing to all the fans. This is the foundation. And
Speaker 1: if he's been around since against the chronicles, you know,
Speaker 1: begin you know it is probably took a few turns
Speaker 1: and ship. But we're just trying to be more.
Speaker 3: You know, more to the streets, more to this, more
Speaker 3: less holly Wood and more to the streets.
Speaker 1: Period. You get me a lot of podcasts and shows
Speaker 1: deal with you know, everything is celebritied out and fame
Speaker 1: doubt and you know, and we're just trying to connect
Speaker 1: with real people who want to hear some real shit,
Speaker 1: you know outside of you know, we still we still
Speaker 1: have opinions and talk about music and records and releases
Speaker 1: and you know, throw a little little politics in there
Speaker 1: every now and then. But you know what we what
Speaker 1: we did today was what we trum want to get
Speaker 1: back to. We want to get back to connecting with
Speaker 1: real motherfuckers and just hearing stories of triumph in bad situations.
Speaker 1: And that could be niggas. That could be a nigga
Speaker 1: who's a motherfucking fucking trash man. He might have a
Speaker 1: story to tell from where he came from and started
Speaker 1: to the niggas behind the wall. You know, like like
Speaker 1: I said today, there's a lot of there's a lot
Speaker 1: of brothers with stories to tell about their walks of
Speaker 1: life and have learned to turn shit from a negative
Speaker 1: situation that he's in into something positive by doing the
Speaker 1: work and getting shit done and films and books and
Speaker 1: shit like that. You know, you gotta let your mind
Speaker 1: trifle when you locked up, and you have to be
Speaker 1: able to be able to connect with motherfucking shit that
Speaker 1: can keep you out of shit when you locked up.
Speaker 3: You give me hell yeah, And I want to, man,
Speaker 3: give another shout out.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: You know, Ada, I've been really tapping in with my
Speaker 3: un but my niggas from the Midwest, right, you know,
Speaker 3: my Chicago niggas. You know that's like more of Mark
Speaker 3: that's my home, you know what I mean, the Midwest,
Speaker 3: right right, So I've been tapping in. Man, we shut
Speaker 3: out of the homy Kasasi Man, the homie Steve O
Speaker 3: Man and the homie OG mister rick Man from Chicago, right.
Speaker 3: You know, he's one of the ones from out there. Man,
Speaker 3: shout out to the homie O mister rick Man from
Speaker 3: the OZ Coaching Report. Man, that's my guy right there.
Speaker 3: He'd be doing this thing. Man. You know, mister Rick
Speaker 3: is somebody up there, man. And one of the things
Speaker 3: that he said, now, I got this from him, right.
Speaker 3: We was talking about one day, me and him and
Speaker 3: the other Homy Casas was on the phone and we
Speaker 3: was talking about these young boys like to call niggas oz.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: Remember I used to call a nigga mister a third
Speaker 3: back in the day.
Speaker 1: Every day.
Speaker 3: Ox Yo, what up OZ? My homeboy? Mister Rick came
Speaker 3: up with the coldest shit ever, he said, OZ mean
Speaker 3: original God. Okay, I like that shit right there. I said,
Speaker 3: you need to make a T shirt.
Speaker 1: Well, a lot of dudes, I know, a lot of dudes,
Speaker 1: oh you know out here on the West associate OG
Speaker 1: with you know somebody they feel his skin has probably
Speaker 1: been around the block and it's much older now, mature now,
Speaker 1: but probably you know, was was from the streets or
Speaker 1: whatever whatever. Because I get that a lot from dudes
Speaker 1: that's younger than me that will see me, and if
Speaker 1: they don't recognize me as eight, they still like all that.
Speaker 1: You know, that nigga fit that mold. You get me,
Speaker 1: he fit that mold, and so they go, oh you
Speaker 1: got it, O G how you doing o g woo woo.
Speaker 1: And then there's dudes who think, you know, who don't offense.
Speaker 1: They might call you uck. You get me, but I
Speaker 1: don't get.
Speaker 3: I love it, though, Mann. You know what's crazy? Man?
Speaker 3: You know my oldest son, Stephan is pretty too not
Speaker 3: righting his birthday, christopherings Asmen was clown and Steph fanbox.
Speaker 3: You unk now you don't? Yeah, you know, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're thirty five. If you're thirty to forty, nigga,
Speaker 1: you UK get.
Speaker 3: The So I guess I guess after fifty U og
Speaker 3: was it u?
Speaker 1: If you fit that mold?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: So I don't know if you're at fifty and they
Speaker 1: and they don't look at you as that, you know,
Speaker 1: because niggas will look at you still and go y'all, yeah,
Speaker 1: what's up? Og?
Speaker 3: And I ain't mad at it, because you know what,
Speaker 3: I'm in hell of shape now, bro. I'm probably the
Speaker 3: big shape I don't been in. I'm probably in the
Speaker 3: best shape now, bro. Do I've been in probably since
Speaker 3: I was like twenty five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you go last. I think we've learned to you
Speaker 1: know how they say the twenties the thirties is the
Speaker 1: forties or the forties, is the new thirties or whatever.
Speaker 1: I think people have taken that to heart a little bit.
Speaker 1: And so you see, you didn't see fucking puch pus.
Speaker 1: You didn't see me maybe thirty years ago, y'all you
Speaker 1: when you you didn't see too many people doing the workout,
Speaker 1: ship conditioning and doing all that. All you really saw
Speaker 1: was the body building is like swallen when.
Speaker 3: You know what. Yeah, because I was in there with
Speaker 3: the young homies over at the gym, and you know what,
Speaker 3: I'm sitting back there waiting to give them a bitch
Speaker 3: because I'm back to beich and again asking bition again,
Speaker 3: you know, and they was like this. You know, I'm
Speaker 3: waiting them to get done so I get money in.
Speaker 3: There's some young brothers in there. They're like, oh gee,
Speaker 3: you want to jump in. I'm like, and they get
Speaker 3: to put up there pressing with him, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: y'all want to go?
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: They get the three fifteen and they kind of stopped there.
Speaker 3: I'm like, we ain't pushing this shit no more.
Speaker 1: Come on, let's go.
Speaker 3: We're gonna do it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: We put that three twenty five on there, and I
Speaker 3: got the on the ass, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And it was like it was like, damn, so I'm
Speaker 3: feeling my ship. I got my ship. My superpower is back, man,
Speaker 3: I said, it's ship. I got my super power. I
Speaker 3: never ate. I ain't gonna lie know bitching like that again.
Speaker 1: Bro, Yeah, yeah, I bet I do a little bit
Speaker 1: and just try you just try that ship. I think,
Speaker 1: like I said, we've learned that. You know, you gotta
Speaker 1: help your health too. So for sure you know some cardios,
Speaker 1: some some lifting the little weights, you know, doing your legs,
Speaker 1: doing whatever you can to help you.
Speaker 3: It's not And this is what I would tell y'all,
Speaker 3: y'all start off, were y'all good as you ain't got
Speaker 3: to go out there, and because you know one thing,
Speaker 3: you can't go out there and get hurt. Now, if
Speaker 3: you were O g you gotta you gotta crawl before
Speaker 3: you walk. I just didn't jump back into doing that
Speaker 3: weight pile. For the longest I stayed in the machine,
Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't jump back into the weight pile,
Speaker 3: bro until I felt right and I said, okay, I'm ready. No,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, right, I stayed in the
Speaker 3: little knowledge at first because I said, man, because you
Speaker 3: go out there and hurt yourself lifting all that weight.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you can hurt yourself. You get sick over exactly.
Speaker 1: Oh you know yourself. Hell yeah, all that ship. So
Speaker 1: you gotta watch yourself if especially if you're starting off
Speaker 1: in the gym and ain't been in there in a while.
Speaker 1: But you you know, But that's a concern that niggas
Speaker 1: should have. You know, whether you're young, you're in the
Speaker 1: neighborhood on the block every day, you feeling superman and
Speaker 1: healthy as fuck, and you're eating whatever you want to eat,
Speaker 1: and you're drinking and whatever. You just gotta remember all
Speaker 1: that shit piles up at the at you know, once
Speaker 1: you get a little older and you get out hitting
Speaker 1: shit that will cause you to drop dead or have
Speaker 1: a heart attack or stroke or whatever.
Speaker 3: No, man, you better go get them physical. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: tell you the biggest thing.
Speaker 1: Man, there's a lot of shit that niggas don't A
Speaker 1: lot of shit niggas don't, Yes, I said, the young.
Speaker 1: When you're young, you don't worry about that shit too
Speaker 1: much unless you're.
Speaker 3: Gonna get your prostate checked out. Man, start drinking your water, man,
Speaker 3: don't wait till it's too late. Like the thing about
Speaker 3: going to the doctor is a lot of young motherfuckers
Speaker 3: don't like going to the doctor broke because they feel
Speaker 3: like it's a waste of time. But go kick some
Speaker 3: shit when it's in early stages. Most of this shit
Speaker 3: is beat the boy. It be because mother was wait
Speaker 3: the last minute until the mother fucking the shit don't spread,
Speaker 3: and now they can't help you no more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you you drink a fifths. You're drinking fifths
Speaker 1: at Hennessy or whatever your favorite drink is, and you're
Speaker 1: getting loaded, but you feeling like I said, you drink today,
Speaker 1: you fuck get fucked up, loaded earl and vomit and
Speaker 1: get all that shit and you wake up three days
Speaker 1: later you're doing it again. So I said that sh
Speaker 1: that shit to catch up to you, Bill, Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: whatever you like, it's simple to drop dead. You give
Speaker 1: me over some ship that you don't know about.
Speaker 3: Oh man, it's real, it's real easy, man, I really wish.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get the homeboy mister Rick on here man
Speaker 3: probably next week. Man, mister Rick Surper's attack all the time.
Speaker 3: Have you ever met them Chicago niggas? You ever met
Speaker 3: a nigga from Chicago to gets wear a suit all
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 1: Oh, niggas be clear, some niggas used to be clean
Speaker 1: like that. They don't where this.
Speaker 3: My nigga, Mister Rick. I ain't seen mister Rick and
Speaker 3: no tennis shoes or nothing. He always like I didn't
Speaker 3: talk about the same toody. I'm talking about clean real, mom,
Speaker 3: you like him off. Biggas used to be like, it's
Speaker 3: as clean as fuck, dress shoes on. And that's how
Speaker 3: you man, Mister Ricks really be out there getting it
Speaker 3: in mister Rick B.
Speaker 1: Sharper's attack ship before we get out of here. What
Speaker 1: you're listening to? Man?
Speaker 3: Shit right about now, I'm really waiting for your ship
Speaker 3: to come out. Dog, I'm gonna tell you who I'm
Speaker 3: really been fucking with though, Dog, And I don't know
Speaker 3: what this nigga been doing, but Project Pat really don't
Speaker 3: turn into a lyrical nigga.
Speaker 1: Dog, Project Pat always been the shit. Have you listened
Speaker 1: to any of the new records? You listen to the
Speaker 1: Drake record, the YG record, corrupt record all.
Speaker 3: I like the corrupting battle cat shit, Dog, I'm fucking
Speaker 3: with the corrupting battle cap ship shout out to the home.
Speaker 3: He's corrupted Battle Catch. They got some clean shit, right,
Speaker 3: I fuck with them. He's a lot of dog, you know,
Speaker 3: and I'm always keep shit funky. Right. A lot of
Speaker 3: people were saying that Drake was done after the end
Speaker 3: of Ship Man. Drake still is doing this thing though.
Speaker 3: He's still one of the biggest artists in the world.
Speaker 3: And he make good music. He makes his music, he
Speaker 3: does his thing.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: They dude is the major artist. I fuck with the
Speaker 3: new record, you know what I'm saying. I think the
Speaker 3: new record is cool. I think the new record is dope.
Speaker 3: The ship why she is doing? I think White She
Speaker 3: is cool. I think White She's. The thing I like
Speaker 3: about him is he's starting to actually talk about shit now,
Speaker 3: Like he talked about the whole ship with him and Drake.
Speaker 3: Oh like how niggas was accusing him of murdering that
Speaker 3: man he spoke on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, someone saying that he probably should have left
Speaker 1: that off the album. I'm given the record and listen,
Speaker 1: you know, you.
Speaker 3: Go ahead.
Speaker 1: My honest opinion is I liked this first album better
Speaker 1: than this one.
Speaker 3: Oh man, I'm gonna tell you, bro, he suffers from
Speaker 3: that thing. Hey, you gotta remember this. While your first
Speaker 3: album was Hillo Dope, it wasn't your greatest album ever.
Speaker 3: You feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm much. I think my reason for
Speaker 1: that is because I was THEE I was still studying.
Speaker 1: You know, I was that I was able to talk
Speaker 1: about neighborhood shit, but I was I really you know,
Speaker 1: I prided myself on just being able to rap because
Speaker 1: you know, when I got started, uh and I got
Speaker 1: introduced to hip hop, there were no mwa's, you feel me?
Speaker 1: So I had to be open to basically everything right,
Speaker 1: which I prided myself on, wanting to be MC right
Speaker 1: being MC even though I spoke on neighborshood shit as
Speaker 1: I got older, But as a young kid eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen,
Speaker 1: I listened to everything, and in that era it was
Speaker 1: fucking It was Grand Master Flash on top of Beastie Boys,
Speaker 1: on top of Treacherous Three, And then I would listen
Speaker 1: to mcshy D, and I would listen to motherfucking a
Speaker 1: schooly D, But then I would listen to Curtis Blow
Speaker 1: and the Fat Boys.
Speaker 3: Well what you just said, bro, We had kind of
Speaker 3: an advantage because, hey, me and you can remember when
Speaker 3: it really wasn't no hip hop. Yeah yeah, I remember
Speaker 3: when the radio Yeah you know you had because I
Speaker 3: used to listen to. I used to fuck with a
Speaker 3: lot of craft work. Remember craft work. I remember toward
Speaker 3: the France because of the Braak to France and Trans
Speaker 3: trans Europe Express and all that shit that was the
Speaker 3: all that was the ship. And I think it made
Speaker 3: us because we was. It made us more musically well rounded.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know, you know, because I think it
Speaker 1: opened and like I said, it made me respect hip
Speaker 1: hop in the form of you really gotta be a
Speaker 1: true MC get me because avers was all over and
Speaker 1: you could listen to all flavors. It wasn't like I
Speaker 1: just grew up in the era of uh of reality music,
Speaker 1: so to speak.
Speaker 3: Well, you know what, I'm gonna tell you this because
Speaker 3: this is one thing I do know. Any great artist,
Speaker 3: especially coming from the era that me and you come from,
Speaker 3: it was always the producer and the rapper.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: You didn't have fifty producers on your album. You had
Speaker 3: one producer that was your DJ, right, It was your DJ, right,
Speaker 3: he put together your beats and stuff. And I think
Speaker 3: that made shit kind of dope. It was more cohesive sounding.
Speaker 3: I think why She's first album, man, his first album
Speaker 3: that My Crazy Life. I think you got Mustard kind
Speaker 3: of at his peak kind of to me on that,
Speaker 3: he was a young nigga dog. He was hungry and
Speaker 3: he was coming with that new sound you feel what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, and it was kind of like go ahead.
Speaker 3: It was almost like the Bay Area shit meet La
Speaker 3: to me, you feel what I'm saying, And why she
Speaker 3: really sounded like he sounded like a Compton nigga. It
Speaker 3: was that confidence shit, you know what I mean. He
Speaker 3: was popping this shit right. And I think that first
Speaker 3: album was so fucking great that motherfuckers is still looking
Speaker 3: for that from him when he come out with some
Speaker 3: new shit, right, And I think where he kind of
Speaker 3: like where because he know he only had a good career.
Speaker 3: But where it kind of went left to me was
Speaker 3: when he stopped fucking with Mustard. For whatever happened on
Speaker 3: the next albums or whatever. He should have kept that
Speaker 3: formula going for at least two or three more albums.
Speaker 3: To me, probably just kept it going. And I think
Speaker 3: what happened when niggas is this, And again I don't
Speaker 3: know that man's business. I don't even I don't think
Speaker 3: I even met Yse. I know, we got a whole
Speaker 3: bunch of mutual you know, I got a bunch of homies,
Speaker 3: some free top and stuff. But I think what happens
Speaker 3: I was man cast start thinking, is just them? Oh
Speaker 3: it's like it would be. You know, just imagine if
Speaker 3: you would have stopped fucking with slipping.
Speaker 1: True to early.
Speaker 4: I.
Speaker 1: You know, I know, you get into the era of
Speaker 1: if you know, you go through a couple of records,
Speaker 1: you know, you start getting a bigger piece of the
Speaker 1: budget and you want to start controlling you know, whatever. Wise,
Speaker 1: but I always felt like, you know, you're gonna need
Speaker 1: to go back to the formula, especially if you stray
Speaker 1: a little bit. And a lot of us do that,
Speaker 1: you know. I was a dude, you know, felt like, Okay,
Speaker 1: into my second third album, you know, I want to
Speaker 1: I want to I want to pick some different flavor.
Speaker 1: I went to niggas like black Jack, I went to Mugs,
Speaker 1: I went to dazz you know. Uh, I went to
Speaker 1: a couple of different characters, you know, to help me
Speaker 1: with with production on the record. And it was some
Speaker 1: good work, but it wasn't no It wasn't no week
Speaker 1: come strapped, It wasn't no music to drive by.
Speaker 3: And you know what, and ain't nothing wrong with you
Speaker 3: venturing up. But you see what you're saying. It wasn't
Speaker 3: you when you go to that, when you go to
Speaker 3: week come strapping music to drive by. To me, that's
Speaker 3: quintessential MC eight right there. Confidence most going it right.
Speaker 3: It's like when you hear that right there, it's like, Okay,
Speaker 3: this is the mothership. Shit. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: This is the ship right here? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Definitely this is the ship. Man.
Speaker 3: But shit, hey, you know what man, were talking about?
Speaker 3: All this shit on here? Man, damn like me and
Speaker 3: you said earlier, Man, we don't know what tomorrow go
Speaker 3: hold man. So I'm gonna tell you now, why guys
Speaker 3: you won't hear Man. I appreciate you, my nigga.
Speaker 1: I love you.
Speaker 3: You're my brother. We don't got us a brotherhood built up.
Speaker 3: I would say, you know, you one of the people
Speaker 3: I talk to every day in my life. Man, you
Speaker 3: my nigga. I love y'all. Fuck with your dog.
Speaker 1: Shit, that's what it got you. You, Like I said,
Speaker 1: you meet certain people and you come across certain people
Speaker 1: that you know is genuine. So when you fuck with
Speaker 1: people that's genuine. Business gonna always be good. Friendships and
Speaker 1: family gonna all be good, and it produces less stress,
Speaker 1: feel and it's natural.
Speaker 3: It ain't no like like me and you ain't come
Speaker 3: through no fake ship that the world we It was
Speaker 3: a gradual build up. Niggas become friends, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. We start off on some business shit knowing
Speaker 3: each other, and it builds into a real friendship, right.
Speaker 3: And that's just making when you got that, dog, the
Speaker 3: business can't help but be good because it's respect. You
Speaker 3: feel what I'm saying, Because usually business ain't good, bro,
Speaker 3: there's some disrespect going on. It's usually if a nigga
Speaker 3: don't respect you, dog, they just go do whatever.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: But man, you know, I will say, this is fourth
Speaker 3: of your live. Man, y'all be safe out here. You know,
Speaker 3: it's the time where niggas be getting shot.
Speaker 1: Hey, y'all watch them five us out there, stand y'all
Speaker 1: with them fireworks. Uh you know, so y'all be safe,
Speaker 1: be careful out there. You can't fuck yourself up, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 1: And they pretty and and and some of them are dangerous.
Speaker 3: You give me and if you nigga, if you a
Speaker 3: nigga that live in the X life, when you up
Speaker 3: at the bombs, don't be out of bounds. Is just
Speaker 3: the way your ass can get popped and the motherfucker
Speaker 3: get away with that.
Speaker 1: Chiggens says, Okay, yeah, they gonna be yea yo. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know, I know nigga's gonna be shooting. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of those fireworks, the actual gun
Speaker 1: shots going off, So watch yourselves if you're standing outside.
Speaker 1: You know, bullets travel far. When they shot up in
Speaker 1: the air, you don't know where they come down at.
Speaker 1: So yeah, just be careful and watch yourself. Wise they
Speaker 1: might ask the house. And before I don't watching firework
Speaker 1: shit on TV. I'm be in my house. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: I watch a fireworks show. You know, from from the house,
Speaker 1: you can see it. They do it at the part and.
Speaker 3: I go on my backyard and see all that ship.
Speaker 1: I go back there exactly. But you gotta be careful,
Speaker 1: like I said, because you know, you don't know who's
Speaker 1: shooting in the area. So y'all be safe out there
Speaker 1: this weekend.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, we on that note we out of here.
Speaker 1: Pe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, that concludes another episode of the Gainst the
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