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Speaker 1: Hell, Hello, Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

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Speaker 2: This is a show where we recap our early episodes

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Speaker 2: with new case info and lots of old feelings.

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Speaker 1: Today we're rewinding to episode ninety seven, which we named

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Speaker 1: The Hague.

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Speaker 3: I think this is my favorite title of all time.

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Speaker 3: It's so epic.

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Speaker 1: We're the haigu love it.

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Speaker 2: The Hague came out on November thirtieth, twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's listen to the intro of episode ninety seven. Welcome,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to my favorite murder to my Why am I

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Speaker 1: just repeating what you say?

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Speaker 3: It's fun. It's like a cal in response.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like this is a real thing.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I was making Nora, my niece. Nora, she's

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Speaker 3: tend cheers with me.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. I love I love babies who cheers.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing better.

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Speaker 2: She we have video. She used to do it when

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Speaker 2: she was like four years old, but now she doesn't care.

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Speaker 2: Now she's like into sports and stuff. But I was

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Speaker 2: making sures, like in my dad's living room while he

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Speaker 2: watched football and ignored us. I made her stand up

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Speaker 2: and do cheers from my school, and it was making

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Speaker 2: me laugh.

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Speaker 1: So, oh my god, we had good We had a

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Speaker 1: nice Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 3: How is yours?

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Speaker 1: It was great. We went with some friends to because

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Speaker 1: my mom and I aren't speaking, which is great. So

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Speaker 1: I was able to just go to a fucking old

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Speaker 1: school steakhouse with Vince and our friends, Oh yeah, and

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Speaker 1: have a nice time where I didn't have anxiety attacks

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Speaker 1: and go to the bathroom and need to breathe and

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Speaker 1: take Xanax and drink a lot. It's I mean, I

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Speaker 1: still drink a lot. Well that's but it was your choice, right.

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Speaker 1: You didn't feel like you were trying to escape. No,

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Speaker 1: I was feeling that I was trying to be like

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Speaker 1: part of it. Yes, that's good. How is yours? It

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Speaker 1: was great?

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Speaker 2: We I think I'm I have told you this, but

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Speaker 2: we basically revolted on my dad. And because normally we

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Speaker 2: drive down into the Bay Area, we go to Daily City,

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Speaker 2: or we go to Pacifica or some it's somewhere on

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Speaker 2: and they all of them are in San Francisco or so.

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Speaker 2: And this year my sister's like, I'm so tired, I'm

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Speaker 2: so I like can barely move, and I was like,

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Speaker 2: we don't have to go like Aunt Joe. Our family

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Speaker 2: isn't going to be like how dare you? They're not

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Speaker 2: They're not like that. Yeah, my mom is right, I

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Speaker 2: mean it can be pressure.

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Speaker 3: My dad is.

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Speaker 1: So we had to like sense, when did you give

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Speaker 1: a shit about Thanksgiving? There's no religion attached to it.

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Speaker 1: It's just fucking feeding the shit out of yourself.

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Speaker 2: But it's like a family. It's a ton of family time.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, we had to My sister's the one I

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Speaker 2: wish I'm saying we but she's the one that did

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Speaker 1: I love when sports are on it's loud, and I

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Speaker 1: love when fucking food is everywhere. Is there a baked bree?

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Speaker 1: I hope? So? Sure was huh yo?

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Speaker 2: Yeah there were somosas because Adrian's.

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Speaker 3: Mother in law is from Sri Lanka.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I fucking love that and oh much.

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Speaker 2: I hung out with her a lot, Pushba. She's one

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Speaker 2: when Nora was five, she asked Nora what she wanted

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Speaker 2: to be a cheerleader, and Pushpa said, don't be a cheerleader,

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Speaker 2: says it all the time. A lot of badass women.

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Speaker 1: I love our neck of the woods. Don't be a cheerleader. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to in Vegas for a faraway train.

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Speaker 1: We're going to Vegas for Christmas.

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Speaker 3: Nice.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited about and and fuck and fuck it the

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Speaker 2: Fuck it, you get holidays should be a holiday? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they really should. Yeah, we wanted.

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Speaker 1: Vince and I are talking about how we can show

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Speaker 1: whole night. Yeah, and then I walk in wearing that

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Speaker 1: Like who made it?

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Speaker 1: But it's like if someone made it and it's a website,

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Speaker 2: There is nothing more disorienting, so weird and amazing. Then

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Speaker 2: and like all the things, knives and cats, nice and cats.

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Speaker 1: It's so banana. So I want to wear that to

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Speaker 1: the Hankka party.

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Speaker 2: Good idea, and then that you're just going to burn

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Speaker 2: all the bridges at one time with one fell.

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Speaker 1: Swoop yep, one swell foop a fell swoop a swell foop.

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Speaker 3: Well, I was going to tell you at Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 2: Now everybody knows my once secret passion that's now a

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Speaker 2: very public passion of loving true crime. There was someone

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Speaker 2: that had a Charles Manson story and he died. We

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Speaker 2: don't care, yes, But somebody at our Thanksgiving dinner when

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Speaker 2: he was just by chance met Charles Manson like walking

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Speaker 2: He was like a teenager, and they had been they'd

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Speaker 2: And it was when the cops had arrested him for

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Speaker 2: like stealing car parts, but they didn't know that the

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Speaker 2: Tate Labanca murders had just happened.

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Speaker 1: Wait, so they why did he shake his hand then?

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Speaker 2: Because it was just the guy he was talking to

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Speaker 2: in the cell was like, hey, why are you here?

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Speaker 1: Why are you here? It was one of those things.

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Speaker 2: And then they're like laughing, and it was both of

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Speaker 1: Dad is fucking bananas. And not a lot of people

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Speaker 2: And also the guy that told the story is a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, real casual, very Pedalima.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it just like bits out here and there exactly

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Speaker 2: But also very like he's very much himself, so it

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Speaker 1: He was I think at the time it wasn't like

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Speaker 2: Was like, oh yeah, in fact, I'm I wonder if

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Speaker 2: I'm allowed to even.

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Speaker 1: Be telling now that I think leave his name out

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Speaker 1: and then we'll move on. Leave his name in relation.

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Speaker 2: Out Steven cut them, don't cut it. Just Stephen bleep

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Speaker 2: that bleep it. It's a new one, Stephen bleep that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I want to talk to you about h Well,

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Speaker 1: so they caused us a confrontation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to talk about your problem.

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Speaker 1: I've been wanting to you. Macaroni and cheese. No, please

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Speaker 1: order the macaroni cheese balls that they do now, like.

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Speaker 3: A deep fried macaroni and cheese.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what I ate the night? Oh god?

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Speaker 1: Was it the night of Thanksgiving? Oh my god? Well,

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Speaker 1: after we went to the fucking this crazy steakhouse, ate

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Speaker 1: this crazy meal, we went and drank the rest of

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Speaker 1: the night. You know, you like eat four o'clock Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 1: So by the time we get home at like eleven

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Speaker 1: or whatever, Vince and I are hungry again and drunk. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and so we made a Stover's French bread pizza hell, yes,

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Speaker 1: and fucking frozen mac and cheese.

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Speaker 4: Ye.

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Speaker 1: Night of Thanksgiving Stovers. No, it might have been like

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Speaker 1: Traider Joe's or something, but still yeah, some nice oven

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Speaker 1: about Stovers. I'm here to just talk about their French

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Speaker 1: red pizza, which is my fucking favorite thing ever.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's an American class that is totally unsung.

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Speaker 1: Hmm.

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Speaker 2: People like to talk about, I don't know, apple pie

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Speaker 2: and chevrolets.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's dancy pizza. Fucking a pizza.

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Speaker 2: That someone was like, look, old bread, We're gonna put tomato,

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Speaker 1: Like weird little triangles of the saltiest best pepperoni you've

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Speaker 2: Bring me back to like spending the night at someone

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Speaker 3: Suddenly you're at a parent's house where they're.

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Speaker 2: Like coke out of a can at the table and

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Speaker 2: the Stover's prench bread pizza.

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Speaker 3: What al mys, ma'am.

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Speaker 1: That's so true.

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Speaker 3: It's so exciting. It's like a total celebration.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Or it also is like you're eight, you've been left

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Speaker 1: Yeah, don't bring down the house.

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Speaker 3: We'll be back at eleven.

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Speaker 1: My yeah, eleven, they need a party harder than that.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what they'd say, but you'd be asleep by

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Speaker 2: the time they came back at two, right exactly.

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Speaker 1: Like they're like, we came home at eleven and we

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Speaker 1: were totally sober. Okay. So then speaking of serial killers,

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Speaker 1: they which Manson wasn't who's just a he was just

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Speaker 1: a fucking bastard's like a drug dealer, piece of shit.

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Speaker 1: The Florida, the Tampa Seminal Heights serial killer. They think

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Speaker 1: they caught him. Oh right, yes, yeah, they one hundred

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Speaker 1: hundred percent that is I am too, So that must

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Speaker 1: be right.

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Speaker 2: Because if you tell me something once on social media,

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Speaker 2: it is locked law in my head forever.

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Speaker 1: Karen doesn't want to hear more than one hundred and

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Speaker 1: forty fucking characters about it.

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Speaker 3: Actually, ten is fine.

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Speaker 1: Ten's fine. Just be like they caught him, great, and

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Speaker 1: she'll they don't even have to say who it is.

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Speaker 2: She'll believe no, But I'm not interested in his business.

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Speaker 2: That's not in my business. What his name is not interested.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm looking forward to seeing how that unfolds. If

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Speaker 1: he worked enough fucking Popeyes at any point. The fact

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Speaker 1: that he did work in a McDonald's.

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Speaker 2: Excuse me, hope, hold on though, Did he work at

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Speaker 2: McDonald's or was he arrested at McDonald's both he had

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Speaker 1: thing is I was doing my fucking normal Etsy late

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go like that.

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Speaker 1: Fucking it is. We'll put it on Instagram this time,

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Speaker 1: we promise. We always say we will. But isn't that amazing? Okay?

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Speaker 2: Can I just tell you? First of all, this is gorgeous.

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Speaker 2: No, but it's a beautiful picture. Yeah, Like I want

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Speaker 2: Oh shit, tech decator, tententriango.

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Speaker 1: I guess that's my thing. You got me your favorite thing.

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Speaker 2: She's holding her own package of Landa Lake's butter.

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Speaker 1: great movie? Not the Matrix? Exception inception? Thank you, Steven Inception.

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Speaker 2: And then you don't have to go on, okay, and

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Speaker 1: This is so good, thank you. So I love it.

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Speaker 1: And then if I can continue to fucking hold the floor,

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Speaker 1: That floor? Are you what's that called? When they do

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Speaker 1: Bad mash? Yes, yes, I'm bili ustering. Great because we're

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Speaker 2: You know what, I don't think I ever thinked remember

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Speaker 2: And she basically the note was like, basically, it sounds

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Speaker 1: This podcast slot is not big enough for everything. We're

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Speaker 1: We fucked that up because Jesus fucking Christ. There's no

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Speaker 2: I'm sure people, there's definitely people who could have finished

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Speaker 1: couple of pages and I was like, well, this is

439
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Speaker 1: kind of boring, right, And then I read I accidentally

440
00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,679
Speaker 1: spoiled it and read what happens, and I'm like, oh,

441
00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:36,639
Speaker 1: I don't want to read this.

442
00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:42,280
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I forgot about the fact that it is

443
00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:47,359
Speaker 2: an incredibly problematic and triggering book for many people. And

444
00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,160
Speaker 2: it is from a time in the eighties where everybody

445
00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,040
Speaker 2: pretended things like that didn't happen in real life, so

446
00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:54,240
Speaker 2: you could read a book about it.

447
00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,080
Speaker 1: At Oh my god, like shocked and odd. Exactly can

448
00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,920
Speaker 1: we quickly switch to Flowers in the audit?

449
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:05,120
Speaker 2: No, because it's the exact same thing. There's no difference. Well,

450
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 2: they're they're choosing to bone. There's like a well they've

451
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,439
Speaker 2: been locked in an attic for years. Yes, they have

452
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 2: no choice, that's true. But but yes, you're right, it's

453
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 2: not it's not sexual fucking assault.

454
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:22,440
Speaker 1: That's been stray romantic sirl's well spoiler alert, oh shit,

455
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,719
Speaker 1: but well no, that comes out in the first beginning.

456
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:25,480
Speaker 1: But here's the thing.

457
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,919
Speaker 2: I think it would be fun still to read a

458
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 2: dumb book and talk about it, because I was I

459
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 2: have gone through so many emotions of trying to read

460
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Speaker 2: that book. The phrase the first and best Audrina.

461
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Speaker 1: Right, that's creevious.

462
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 2: If you had told that phrase out of the book,

463
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 2: the book would only be one hundred and twelve pages long.

464
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,880
Speaker 2: It is repeated so many times, Oh.

465
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Speaker 1: And that's fucking cousin of hers, who were like, obviously

466
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 1: it's not her cousin, Like we could figure, Like I mean, like,

467
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:56,959
Speaker 1: shit that you know now and you didn't know when

468
00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,679
Speaker 1: you were twelve. I've just really really been enjoying the

469
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,680
Speaker 1: photo people are posting of their copy because no one

470
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 1: has a new copy. It's the best, and like people

471
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 1: are taking phetos with their cats and they're this and that,

472
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 1: and then the like comments of like I can't you

473
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,440
Speaker 1: know the like how the fuck did I read this

474
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 1: at eleven years old? Yes? What the fuck? Yes, this

475
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,880
Speaker 1: is why I'm this way. It has been really amusing.

476
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 1: It's hilarious.

477
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 2: Also, there is an aspect to it that I think

478
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 2: is almost introductory. If you want to be a writer

479
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,680
Speaker 2: and you're nine or eleven or whatever, hope hopefully not nine,

480
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 2: hopefully you're twelve. You're in a weird junior high area,

481
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 2: and you find that book on your mom's shelf, Oh

482
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 2: my god, and you start reading that book.

483
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 3: You are like, this is dramatic writing at its finest.

484
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,160
Speaker 1: It's one of those things too, where it's like when

485
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:49,960
Speaker 1: you found the map of where Dahmer hit the bodies Gaysey, Gaysey.

486
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 1: You say to yourself, Oh, I've been lied to by adults,

487
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 1: and there is this life that I didn't understand, and

488
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 1: then you can't stop obsessing about it. Yes, that's like

489
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 1: what that Those books are yes for twelve year old

490
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 1: one year old girls.

491
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 2: Because up until you read a VC Andrews book, you

492
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 2: are sold to the bill of goods that boys, if

493
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 2: you just figure out the right thing to say or

494
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 2: where or wait to be your prettiness and love sex is.

495
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 1: They all love you.

496
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 2: And the end this is like there's also intense horrible

497
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 2: violence on women and then you're like, sorry, wait what,

498
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 2: Like I'm barely getting the romance part and now we're

499
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 2: going to do something.

500
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 1: It's almost like a sad thing of like you Mary,

501
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 1: who like the mother marries this dude and she's unhappy

502
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, you can do that, okay, and

503
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 1: then I'll never get married until him thirty six.

504
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 2: It seems as a kid reading it, you're like this,

505
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 2: these are all solvable problems.

506
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,400
Speaker 1: Yes, Like why don't you just just break up? Yeah,

507
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 1: talk about it, name your kid break up Sarah instead

508
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,439
Speaker 1: of Atrina your second one. Also, I will say this,

509
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 1: I will admit this. And some people did this and

510
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 1: they said they were cheating. I don't think it's.

511
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,959
Speaker 2: Cheating though, because that book. Here's the fun of it.

512
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 2: I had it at my sister's house. So every night

513
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:08,120
Speaker 2: we'd all go to bed.

514
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 1: Noura, did you read it to Nora? No? Every night

515
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 1: we'd go to bed and I'd read Nora to sleep.

516
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: How incredible would that be? Literally, Lydia, Literally Nora just

517
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 1: started the lord Ingalls Wilder series. That's how nowhere near

518
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: this she is.

519
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 2: But I would go home and then I go, oh, yeah,

520
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 2: I've got dumb book to read, and then I would

521
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 2: get kind of excited. But I got the I got

522
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 2: a hardback copy with a big plastic cover.

523
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 1: That I was using as the bookmark.

524
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 2: That every night, I would fall asleep while I was

525
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 2: reading it because it's the same, roughly the same eleven

526
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 2: sentences over and over again for two hundred pages. So

527
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 2: I would it would literally drop out of my hand

528
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 2: and I would be asleep with the light on, and

529
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 2: I would wake up at three in the morning like

530
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 2: what the fuck?

531
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Speaker 1: I love it?

532
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 2: And I would lose my place every night so I

533
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 2: have re read the first fifty pages like it's like

534
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 2: one step forward, two steps back every night.

535
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's a problem. There's a lot in there.

536
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 2: But so on the wood drive down, I bought the

537
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 2: audio book so I could like fill it in a

538
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 2: little brilliant And I have to say the audiobook is

539
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 2: incredibly enjoyable. The woman reading it is doing a great

540
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 2: job of being all these crazy people.

541
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: I never read books, but this time I was like,

542
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 1: I am obligated to buy a vintage copy and read this. Yes,

543
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: that didn't sound right. I never have time to read books, right.

544
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: I don't know how to read. I hate books. I

545
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: hate words. Uh, okay, audiobook everyone, I mean sorry, you

546
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,360
Speaker 1: know what, you have that in your fucking bookcase now,

547
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 1: and everyone's going to admire in your bookcase. Doesn't matter?

548
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 2: Well, And also I think there's probably people who love

549
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 2: it and are sitting there going are you guys fucking crazy?

550
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 2: This book is awesome. There's just so many ways to

551
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 2: take this book. Cause this is why I have a

552
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 2: book club. I want to argue with those people right now.

553
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 2: But also I had that finion that's right, this is

554
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 2: why you drink wine and sit in a circle. Hey,

555
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 2: but because it shouldn't be a one direction and this

556
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 2: should be wait, let's pause and let them say what

557
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 2: they think about the book.

558
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 1: Go Nope, I'm sorry, I need to start me right there,

559
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: totally wrong. I apologize, but I know I'm interrupting you.

560
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: Does anyone need anything gluten free cracker? Oh my god,

561
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: thank you so much for making that appetizer.

562
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 3: Yes, filling your name here.

563
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: Blaked Blake to Bree. Everyone loves it. Blake to Bree.

564
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 1: I love Blake livelyse Bree. She makes the best time.

565
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Speaker 1: My good she needs to get on that. You're welcome.

566
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 1: I want to say, really quickly, we have one last

567
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: set of shows.

568
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm going to sidebar this.

569
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Speaker 1: Okay.

570
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 2: I just want to say, I'm going to keep on

571
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 2: reading my sweet Audrina. I'm sorry, and I'm going to

572
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 2: keep on talking about my sweet Audrena.

573
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:40,239
Speaker 1: I'm there with you.

574
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 3: Okay, great, awesome new also listening.

575
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: Listen to a new podcast, My Sweet, my favorite, Sweet Audrina.

576
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 1: This is the best and first Audreama, my favorite v

577
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: C Andrews the best and sweet my first VC Andrew's

578
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: favorite with Lando Lakes. You just put your hands in

579
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,160
Speaker 1: the tray it.

580
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 3: Was erny and I decided I need to put the tray.

581
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 1: On myposing with it. It's pretty great. It's so good.

582
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: Oh you are she's posing like Blanda Lake's Native American woman.

583
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 3: Now it's three holding it.

584
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 1: And now I'm well, if you look really closely in

585
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: the package, there's probably a picture of her. There is.

586
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: It's on this tray.

587
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 2: There's four Native American women holding this thing.

588
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 1: Okay, bye, good. I think that's it great right, Yeah,

589
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: that was two weeks worth of yeah, we caught everyone up. Yeah,

590
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 1: who goes first this week? Based on our new algorithm

591
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: of who should go first this week?

592
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 2: In my opinion, yeah, yours is going to be better purely.

593
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: Because I slept today. Yeah, you slept today.

594
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 2: You didn't just six hours of driving and you didn't

595
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 2: write it quickly. Mine is more of a uh, yeah,

596
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 2: I think you should go first.

597
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: Plus, all i've seen you eat in the past three

598
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: hours that you've been here is peach gummies from the

599
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: gas station.

600
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 3: From the gas station.

601
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: I don't know how you're surviving half of that. I

602
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: had at least some raisin, nice raisin bran.

603
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 2: You had a nice bowl raisin bran. I had a

604
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 2: hamber on the highway. What kind burger king? Okay, here's

605
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 2: here's the thing that's a little worrisome to me. I mean,

606
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 2: we all know Russia's invading this country. Oh so that's

607
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 2: worrisome overall.

608
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: Yes, Like we're not We're not trying to belittle any

609
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: of the problems. One little thing in Karen's mind is.

610
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 2: Is that we this is a red dawn, very slow, quiet,

611
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 2: red down situation that we're in right now. Okay, But

612
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 2: on top of that, driving down the five, I have

613
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 2: every exit memorized because I've been doing it for over

614
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 2: twenty years. So it's like, I know, I'm like, do

615
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 2: I want do I feel like a Foster's Freeze situation?

616
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: Or am I away coming up? Yes?

617
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 2: Do I need to go clean and light and not

618
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 2: get depressed? Or do I not give a fuck? And

619
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 2: is this my time to shine?

620
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: Ye?

621
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 3: Whatever?

622
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 2: Exit after exit, everything is closed, abandoned.

623
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,959
Speaker 1: The foster Freeze is abandoned. No, Yeah, that's creepy.

624
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 3: There's hotels that are abandoned.

625
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: It has taken that driving a long time.

626
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 2: It's fucking And also a shit ton of the trees.

627
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 2: Those almond farmers, a lot of those are abandoned farmers.

628
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: The trees are they had to stop because the water

629
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: got cut off because of the drought. So there's entire

630
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: like groves of trees that are dead.

631
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 2: And pushed over. And then the Foster's freeze has fucking

632
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 2: graffiti on it.

633
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: End of days.

634
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 2: It's Nutso back an end of days, guys, we can't

635
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 2: all the money's at the top.

636
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: It needs to come back down and literally nuts, so

637
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: big time. We're talking about almond trees.

638
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,719
Speaker 2: So we got to rise up, all right, go ahead,

639
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 2: and we are back.

640
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 3: That really was thehig.

641
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 2: I mean, the amount of topics that were included, the

642
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 2: diversity of subjects and.

643
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: People all over the place. At ninety seven is when

644
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: we're hitting our stride in the podcast.

645
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 3: We're really digging in deep.

646
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving and fucking Lando Lakes and oh, this was the

647
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: My Sweet Adrina era where we just did the first

648
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: time we didn't follow it through with a book club

649
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: or the second time, I can't remember.

650
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 3: This was the original.

651
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 2: I think, okay, this was the first where we suddenly

652
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 2: realized what does it mean of.

653
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 3: A book club on a weekly podcast?

654
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: Well, there's two people. I think that's the way. I

655
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: think it's a club, multiple people with multiple opinions, and

656
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: we didn't want anyone else's opinion or we couldn't get it.

657
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 2: I feel guilty like having such a strong opinion, but

658
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 2: it really was kind of like, oh, that's why you

659
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 2: don't like reread these books.

660
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 3: Yes, it was hard to get through you know.

661
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: It was hard too, is landa Lakes because I was

662
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: immediately like, wait, that's a problematic. That's problematic because they

663
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: didn't change their packaging until twenty twenty to remove the

664
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: Native American butter maide yep. So like we're sitting here

665
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen, we're like not even knowing that we're

666
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: talking about this problematic thing. And now I have all

667
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: this vintage merch yeah with Land of Lakes on it.

668
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 3: I mean, burn it and prove you care. Burn it all,

669
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 3: all right.

670
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: But here's the thing that's the It is like the

671
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: kind of logo kind of thing that you do as

672
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 2: a white person, take for granted because you're.

673
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 3: Like, oh, this is the picture of this butter where

674
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 3: it's like it's.

675
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 2: Not necessary, it's not there's nothing about it that is

676
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: selling you butter.

677
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: It's just discriminatory and it's yeah, exploitation yeah, all the

678
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: things a little bit sexist. I went to a high

679
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: school that they're like mascot was. We were the Woodbridge Warriors,

680
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: and don't you fucking know it, that was there were

681
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: some heavy Native American cultural appropriation and horrible stuff going on.

682
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: I will say that I never had school spirit, so

683
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: I don't think that I'm responsible for that. Yeh, that's right,

684
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: going there, so proof you're a punk exactly.

685
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 2: It's all twenty twenty vision now, but we sure did

686
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 2: grow up knee deep in it. It's pretty crazy, but

687
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 2: that's the kind of point of this show is then

688
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 2: we learn that that becomes the conversation. Then you're like, oh, yeah,

689
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 2: it makes perfect sense.

690
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right totally.

691
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 2: I don't want a little tray that I put five

692
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: pennies and some keys on to do anything other than

693
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 2: serve that purpose.

694
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: Be adorable and make everyone feel good and inclusive.

695
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, no one should get hurt when we're just

696
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 2: trying to people are just selling butter.

697
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 3: It's like, just sell the butter.

698
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: Just sell the butter. Just make a vintage tray. Just

699
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: fucking well.

700
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 2: They did, though, I mean they took an action which

701
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 2: is actually very you know, in this state and age.

702
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 2: It's important when you acknowledge the people that actually do something.

703
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: That's actually really true.

704
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like all I'm thinking of as we're talking

705
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 2: about this is are we going to kick off a

706
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 2: new one?

707
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 4: Is that?

708
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: Totally?

709
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 3: I totally want to.

710
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 2: I have the tone of voice where people are like,

711
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 2: she's being sarcastic. It's like, I'm not being sarcastic. I'm

712
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,719
Speaker 2: mad that this is always a thing, but I'm taking it.

713
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 2: I'm too much of a literal Karen to get to

714
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 2: take that stance, So I had to change the tone

715
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 2: of like apologies and awarenesses as opposed to yeah, fuck that.

716
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: Shit, passion and sarcasm. Like how do you tell the difference?

717
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: These days?

718
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 3: It used to be really hip in two thousand and three.

719
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, now let's get into Georgia's story about David Meierhoffer.

720
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: So the other night, I was falling asleep to my

721
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: audio book that I always fall asleep to. It's either

722
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: some space fucking story or space Jam. Yes, what's beIN

723
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: game of that too? The soundtrack to Space Jam? Yes?

724
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: Or Whoever Fights Monsters? Yes? That book we love the best.

725
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: Falling asleep, couldn't fall asleep listening, and I was like, wait,

726
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: what's this about this case?

727
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 3: Had you never heard of it before?

728
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: I think i'd heard about it, like some people in

729
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: the Facebook group had written about it here and there,

730
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: so I'd maybe heard about it. And also a mind Hunter.

731
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: Even though the show there's like a couple of cases

732
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: that are similar, it's not one of them. But I

733
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: was like intrigued. Okay, let's do this. Okay. So in

734
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: June of nineteen seventy three, the Yager family of Farmington, Michigan,

735
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: they go camping at a campground in Montana's Waterhead State Park.

736
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: It's near the small town of Manhattan, Montana. Right, yeah,

737
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: they were Montana. It's their first trip trip or sorry,

738
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: it's their first stop on a month long trip. They're

739
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: going like, we're going to fucking this is our first

740
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: like family camping trip, and we're going to drive and

741
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 1: all this shit, all the fun stuff that is fun

742
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:48,479
Speaker 1: when you're a kid. So that night, the parents tuck

743
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: their five children in to the kid's tent. Oh no,

744
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: but do just those words alone, huh? But three are teenagers.

745
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 1: Kids are teenagers, and then two are grade schoolers. So

746
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: they're like, great, they're together. They're safe. They should be safe, right, yep,

747
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 1: they fucking should be yeah.

748
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 2: And also it's the seventies where not only are they

749
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,439
Speaker 2: together and safe, but some people would be like, yeah,

750
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 2: you can leave.

751
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 3: Them alone for four months.

752
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: Uh huh, Yeah, give them a pack of cigarettes a

753
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: cart and maybe you're all good. Yeah. So that morning,

754
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: Aunt four am, one of the teens in the tent,

755
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: this Heidi Yager, wakes up and notices that her little sister,

756
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: seven year old Susie, is not in the tent any longer.

757
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: And not only that, there's a fucking slash through the

758
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:40,959
Speaker 1: side of the tent.

759
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 2: No, uh huh, and there's a hook hand hanging on

760
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 2: the top of the fuck this is like, this is

761
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 2: urban mythshit.

762
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: Uh huh Okay. She fucking like flips out, wakes her

763
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: parents up. No one in the tent. None of her

764
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: siblings had hurt a freaking thing. They had just were

765
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: fast asleep. Authorities are called go ahead.

766
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 2: I just wanted to say the first thing. I just

767
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 2: somebody slowly slashing that tent open.

768
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 1: Quietly, a little rip of the fucking fibers.

769
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 3: Quietly and slowly.

770
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 1: Not it wasn't a quick, fast one.

771
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 3: So much scarier than a fast one.

772
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 1: I didn't think of that, and now I want to cry,

773
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: yeah me do okay, and turn around. There's a fucking

774
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: wall mural of a fucking forest behind you, like where

775
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: they were camping. Okay, oh my god, Okay. Authorities are

776
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: called like in the like immediately they find footsteps leading

777
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 1: away from the tent, and so the FBI is called

778
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: because so at the time, the FBI would only get

779
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: involved in kidnapping cases if it was a possibility that

780
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: they were taken across state lines, which is fucking bananas.

781
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: So they're called because maybe that was going to be

782
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: a thing. I don't know. And then ensues the biggest

783
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 1: search at the time in Montana history. They fucking drug

784
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: the river bottom, they had helic after circling, they did

785
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: all this crazy ship, but Susie could not be found

786
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: one like I think. A couple of days later, one

787
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 1: random call, like ransom call came in, oh but saying

788
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: we want this, I want this, we want this much money,

789
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: we'll give her back. We'll call back with details. But

790
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: no call was ever, no call up came back, just

791
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: the one call, just the we'll call you about the ransom.

792
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 1: Nothing came back. So almost a year later, the case

793
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: is fucking installed and Special Agent Pete Dunbar. He is

794
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: an agent in the in the FBI's Montana office. He's

795
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: attending a training session led by Howard Teaton and Patrick Mulaney.

796
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: These two dudes are developing the FBI's newly formed Behavioral

797
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: Science Unit. Oh hell yeah, Hi, that's right exactly. Hello,

798
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: hello mind hunter.

799
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 2: Hi, you guys are the ones that are thinking that

800
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:54,919
Speaker 2: maybe all these guys have something in call.

801
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: Right, maybe if we study and interview thousands of murders

802
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 1: and murderers will get something.

803
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 4: Yeah.

804
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: So, before the units even was created, there's not a

805
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: lot known about criminal profiling, and their goal was to

806
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: bring a public awareness to the psychology of murder and

807
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: behavioral analysis. This agent Dunbar dude is like, please take

808
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 1: a look at this case. We need your help, which

809
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: is like so big of him because back then there

810
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: were so few I feel like that was not a

811
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: thing where you like asked for help from other No,

812
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: there's a huge deal.

813
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: That's why in that show that was those parts were

814
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 2: so good because it would be like they would come

815
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 2: to talk about one thing, not to be the guy

816
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 2: that would hang behind you.

817
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: They all did.

818
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 3: It's almost like they had to make sure no one knew.

819
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: It was like masculating by asking for help, right right. Okay,

820
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: So this this, although uh Teton and Mulaney have been

821
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: studying the stuff for a long fucking time, this turns

822
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: into the first real case where they get to use

823
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: their behavioral analysis. So this is the first case where

824
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: this is used in real life IRL, as they would

825
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: say later, lol irl FBI OMG crazy. Okay. So the

826
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: three of them together, the three agents, they profiled the

827
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: case based on their studies and come to the conclusion

828
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: that whoever had taken Susie, so this was our profile

829
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: of him, they come upon the family during an habitual

830
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: night prowl and impulsively took her by cutting through the tent.

831
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: So it was not planned, but he was doing his

832
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: like fucking rounds of maybe he'd spot an opportunity and acted.

833
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,439
Speaker 1: He appeared to be. They thought he was a young

834
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: white male, a loner, lived not far from the campsite,

835
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: so a local. They thought he had military experience because

836
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: the fact that he fucking broke into this tent and

837
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: pulled a person out without anyone hearing it is so stealth,

838
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: it's creepy, and he had killed before and possibly since. Ooh,

839
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: this is like a year after her kidnapping. And then

840
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 1: they were like, listen, Susan's suse he's probably dead too.

841
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: That they were like, this is part of it, and

842
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: that they said that he also probably collected trophies from

843
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: the victim. So before these two had been called in,

844
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: an informant had called and suggested that his neighbor David

845
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: and mier Hoffer should be looked at. It was his neighbor.

846
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: He's fucking creepy, like one of those like this guy's weird.

847
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: You should look at him, which usually we scoff at

848
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: because we're like, whereas are not killers? Yeah, So David

849
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 1: Mierhoffer is a twenty three year old Vietnam vette who

850
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: agent Dunbar actually knew personally. He said, quote David was

851
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: well groomed, courteous, and exceptionally intelligent. He was the gentlest

852
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:45,919
Speaker 1: of persons too.

853
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 3: Oh murderer, right, yeah, I mean it's not a good sign.

854
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: Look, and he was innocent. Moving on to then a

855
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: real suspect. Yeah, no, I'm not doing that. You know that,

856
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: that's not how.

857
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:55,959
Speaker 3: We're on law and order.

858
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: They so the low cool FBI law enforcement had questioned

859
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: David and that he was He was polite, well dressed,

860
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 1: really helpful, so they didn't think it was him. He

861
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: had even taken a polygraph test and taken truth serum

862
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: and had fucking passed both flying fucking colors. Okay, do

863
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 1: we believe him? No?

864
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 2: Oh okay, now, oh you do well. I was just thinking, okay,

865
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 2: maybe he did it.

866
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: I just want to let he's the killer. I just

867
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: want to let everyone know.

868
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 2: Because the one thing I was one of my theories

869
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 2: was going to be at that time Vietnam that's were

870
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 2: shot upon in this country and I had bad PTSD,

871
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 2: had PTSD but also were judged by others, so.

872
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: Not by law enforcement. I think they respected Vienna.

873
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 2: That, oh I get, but I guess I'm just saying

874
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 2: the person that would call in and be like this guy,

875
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, baby killer?

876
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:54,439
Speaker 1: It's that shit.

877
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 2: That was like, right, they really attacked people for that,

878
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 2: and so I was thinking maybe that was like, oh,

879
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 2: he's violent because he was made made to go into

880
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 2: the army.

881
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,879
Speaker 1: Sure what it doesn't mean Yeah, no, he did it. Okay, Okay,

882
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: that's a real really I'm not like spoiling. It's like

883
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: I'm only talking about him. No, I love it, I

884
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 1: love It's fine. Okay, so Millennium Teaton had seen but

885
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: they okay, so now they these two profilers come in

886
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: and they use their fucking tactics and they're like, show

887
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: us all the suspects you had. They read his chart

888
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: and they're like, I'm sorry, this guy doesn't fucking matter.

889
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: They thought that he was a psychopath and he would

890
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: have no problem passing a polygraph test, which they had

891
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: never heard of before this. Yes, because he was a

892
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 1: fucking he was able to disassociate himself from the person

893
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 1: who had been who had killed someone. Yes, So he

894
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: was like, it's not fucking me, and so I'm not

895
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: lying because I'm not that person.

896
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 3: Right.

897
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 2: And also, the thing I love about sociopaths, I mean psychopaths,

898
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 2: they don't get nervous, right, they don't get nervous, they

899
00:42:58,719 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 2: don't have stress reactions.

900
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: When I watched the old YouTube, like it was one

901
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 1: of those like old true crime shows where they had

902
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: like there was like an FBI had guy who was

903
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: the narrator. Yeah, so there was no charisma.

904
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 2: Whatsoever because he was the real guy, because he was

905
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 2: the real guy.

906
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: He wasn't like a fucking.

907
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 3: Like charming you know, journalist arena type.

908
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a journalist. Sure, they said, like, you know,

909
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: they believed polygraph tests polygraph tests implicitly, so this was

910
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: like brand new as well. Yeah blah. Currently they thought

911
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 1: he was the killer for sure, of these two dudes

912
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: Millennium Taton. But everyone else is like, hew, fucking know,

913
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: you're wrong. Even done bar They were like, dude, it's

914
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:48,919
Speaker 1: not him. That was a quote, a direct quote. They

915
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: But then okay, then they're able to convince the Jaegers,

916
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: the fucking mother and father of Susie. Now they're back

917
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: in Michigan, they said, okay, we think this is the

918
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: kind a killer that will contact you again because they

919
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: want to be part of the investigation. It's the kind

920
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: of thing where they want to be friends with cops,

921
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: which fucking David Meyerhoffer was chatty with cops, just like

922
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: our boy ed camper exactly. They think that the kind

923
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: of killer wants to insert themselves in the investigation and

924
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: stay part of the victims' lives and continue to inflict paints.

925
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 3: So gross, I know.

926
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: Okay, So they're like let's tape record. Let's put a

927
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: tape recorder with your phone, and let's set up a tap,

928
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: and they're like hell yeah, all right. Meanwhile, Susie's mother, Marietta,

929
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 1: she's a devout Catholic, and initially she says that she

930
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: was quote ravage with hatred and a desire for revenge,

931
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: and that also she could have killed the man quote

932
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,240
Speaker 1: with my bare hands and a smile on my face,

933
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 1: which you're like, girl, yes, absolutely. Then she was like

934
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 1: as a dobbout Catholic though she's like she says, she

935
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: understood that her hatred was going to fucking kill her,

936
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: and she says, I quote called for I was called

937
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: to forgive my enemies, not to kill them. So I

938
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: made the commitment to work toward an attitude of forgiveness.

939
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: And so through that year she was able to come

940
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: to terms and start praying for whoever took her daughter,

941
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: even if it was like, maybe he's alive, so I'm

942
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: praying for you know, good weather that day, or I'm

943
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 1: you know, she started kind of opening her heart to him,

944
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: which is beyond incredible. Okay, exactly one year to the

945
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: fucking day, and Karen to the fucking minute no. Three

946
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: thirty in the morning, a call comes in. Oh uh

947
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: huh to the minute. Okay, so the kidnapper calls the Jaggers. Okay. Initially,

948
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: so Marietta answers the phone, and initially the college tries

949
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: to fuck with her and is like, Uh, your daughter's

950
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: still alive. We've been traveling in the world and you'll

951
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: never see her again. I was bullshit, But Marietta was

952
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: unfuck with heable, and she fucking instead of being intimidated,

953
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: she spoke to him with compassion and patience, and she

954
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: told him she prayed for him every day and that

955
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: she forgave him. And he fucking burst into tears and

956
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: starts fucking weeping on the phone. Uh huh, holy shit.

957
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 1: The Collins it being a fucking hour long, and they're

958
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: and they're talking, are you fucking king I am not

959
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: fucking kidding you?

960
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 3: And then what he he confesses.

961
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: Not yet, okay, this is not so I know.

962
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:35,959
Speaker 2: Mom.

963
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: Okay, So they had an FBI voice. Analyst says the

964
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: caller is definitely missed David Meuerhoffer for sure, but that

965
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 1: is circumstantial evidence. It's not sufficient to obtain a probable

966
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: cause search. Warn't of David's house. And then so this

967
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 1: is the fucking this is crazy to me, and I

968
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: like it makes me sad. So uh. Agent Mulaney says

969
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 1: that the call her quote could be woman dominated. I mean,

970
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: you could be dominated by a female somehow. So he

971
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: says to Marietta Yeager, do us a favor, come back

972
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: to Montana where your fucking seven year old daughter was

973
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 1: fucking kidnapped and have a face to face conversation. WHOA

974
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: with David Mimherhoffer. She jumps on a fucking plane and

975
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, I hope they fucking played paid for that

976
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: plane ticket. Can you imagine There's no way she pays,

977
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 1: you know, But fucking crazy would that be? I don't know,

978
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 1: I know, but still she should have gone on like

979
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: fucking air Force one. Yeah, worst class.

980
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:39,760
Speaker 3: That'd be a little crazy.

981
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: But then I'd be like a waste of taxpayers money.

982
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: Chartered plane right, just first class something, give her a

983
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: meal on the way.

984
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 3: Oh my god, this woman, I know.

985
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: So she meets David Miherhoffer at his lawyer's office, begs

986
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: him to tell her about Susan. He fucking clamps up.

987
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 1: He won't talk. He's unmoved. He denies it. In there

988
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: for an hour and finally it's like this isn't working,

989
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: so she leads. She goes back home to Michigan, and

990
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: then David calls her again. This time he says something

991
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: else like like oh hey. He says, my name is

992
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,919
Speaker 1: mister Travis. I'm the one. I'm the one who did it,

993
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 1: like trying to fucking trick her this, I'm the one

994
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: who did it. It's not this other guy. And then

995
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: Marietta goes what's up, Like, what's up, David? And he

996
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: fucking loses a shit. She's just like, hi, David, Wow,

997
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: she fucking knows it. She knows, and he loses a shit.

998
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: So by this time, the FBI is finally able to

999
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: trace the call and they arrest him, trace the call

1000
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,280
Speaker 1: to him, you know, and now they have enough evidence

1001
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:49,919
Speaker 1: for a search warrant. In his home, police discover everything's fine,

1002
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: everything's fine. Open the freezer, human remains. There's packages that

1003
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 1: look like I guess they look like Deli packages, you know, yeah,

1004
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 1: like paper and labeled with the initials of who the

1005
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 1: pieces belonged to. Not only do they belong to Susie.

1006
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: One of the packages contained a hand like an entire

1007
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: hand with nails, identified as a woman named Sandra Smalligan.

1008
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: Sandra was a nineteen year old woman who had disappeared

1009
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy four. So, like after Susie, her remains

1010
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:30,720
Speaker 1: had been found incinerated in the woods near an abandoned ranch,

1011
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: and it was known and he had been questioned that

1012
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: she had refused a second date with David Miherhoffer, but

1013
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 1: after he volunteered. But he at that time, way before

1014
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 1: all this, had volunteered to take a polygraph test and

1015
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: again fucking passed it. So they were like, it's probably

1016
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 1: not him. But then they find her fucking hand in

1017
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: the freezer. They're like, it's him. Yeah. So after the

1018
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 1: search and his arrest, David Miherhoffer confesses to killing both

1019
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: Susie and Sandra. He said that Sandra had here's a

1020
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: fucking bullshit of the day. He fucking says that Sandra

1021
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: had died of suffocation when he had broken into her

1022
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: apartment she's sleeping, put he was going to kidnap her

1023
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,240
Speaker 1: and like keep her. He puts duct tape over her face,

1024
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: goes to pack her bag and realizes that he had

1025
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: accidentally put over her nose too, and she had suffocated

1026
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: from the duck tape.

1027
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 3: Why can I bother lying like that? What's I mean?

1028
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: Come on everybody, because then you don't seem like it's

1029
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: such a monster. Yeah, to yourself, but everybody else still

1030
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: thinks you're a big assholes. Right, But he hadn't centered

1031
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: her body, so no one could tell. You know, it's

1032
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:39,760
Speaker 1: so crazy quick sidebar. Weird fact In two thousand and five,

1033
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: a crew was doing some remodeling work on a garage

1034
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: the fucking building thing, and they tore into a wall

1035
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: to like change out the wall and found a wallet,

1036
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 1: identification and a small wire bound notebook that belonged to Sandra. Okay,

1037
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: thirty fucking years later, which is like.

1038
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 2: My my dream, my dream, come God damn truth.

1039
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: Let's rip all the walls out of this apartment. It's

1040
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 1: a new build. It doesn't matter what's telling it.

1041
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 2: Was it on this podcast where we talked about our

1042
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 2: low key superpowers.

1043
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: No, we talked about it in person, and it's one

1044
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: of my favorite things in the world, you know. So oh,

1045
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: someone asked us in a VIP line. Yes, they were like, why, hey, hey,

1046
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: nice to meet eat Sack. A photo smiling what's up?

1047
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: Really quickly? What's this? Is my favorite question? What's your

1048
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: fucking low key superpower? That's like not that big of

1049
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 1: a deal.

1050
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 3: And what was yours?

1051
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: I don't remember, but it was something really stupid, like

1052
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: I just want to eat food.

1053
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 3: What was mine?

1054
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't apparently looking through walls?

1055
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 2: No, no, remember mine was when people can't remember the

1056
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 2: name of an actor a movie. I always be which

1057
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 2: you do anyways? I wish I did, but I don't

1058
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 2: do it fully. I don't do it as much, yeah, comprehensively,

1059
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 2: but I want to change it right now. So to

1060
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,439
Speaker 2: whoever asks that question, I would like to officially chase

1061
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 2: in charge of the I want it. Maybe if it's

1062
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 2: low key, then it can only be a one time

1063
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 2: thing X ray vision to see either what's buried or

1064
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 2: what's hidden in walls?

1065
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: Can it only be superficial things? How about? That's that's

1066
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: the trick of it being low key. It's only like

1067
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 1: a can of beer at the builder place. It's like

1068
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: not a clue to anyone. I don't care. Okay, then

1069
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: suck it.

1070
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 2: Because when I was growing up, our friends had chicken

1071
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 2: coops on their like peduluma there's like just big old

1072
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 2: open fields with old chicken coops that've been sitting there

1073
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 2: since they'd like late eighteen.

1074
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: Hundreds, terrifying. I want to look through all of them.

1075
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: You can.

1076
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 2: We would walk through them and there would just be

1077
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 2: old equipment hanging and shit everywhere. It's like people just

1078
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 2: kind of left them on the property because they used

1079
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 2: It's like either their family used to do or they

1080
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 2: thought they were gonna come back chicken farmers, or they

1081
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 2: bought the property and were like, I'll just leave it there.

1082
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 2: There's like it's those kind of like barns that are

1083
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,479
Speaker 2: slightly sloping to one side that people take.

1084
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: Pictures of the shouldn't go in because they're gonna collapse

1085
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: on your stupid ahead.

1086
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we were like, oh, this is how we

1087
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 2: fill our days. So Katie Kniberger, my friend, and the

1088
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 2: girl who lived down on the corner, her parents raised

1089
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 2: lamas and they also had an old house on their property,

1090
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 2: a house, and we used to go into it and

1091
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 2: one time and some of the walls no, no, it

1092
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 2: was just like there was wallpaper on the walls and

1093
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 2: no cut No, it was like flatboard floors.

1094
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 1: But there was a hole.

1095
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 2: In one wall, and I looked in it once and

1096
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 2: saw something and started pulling out bills to the chicken

1097
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:37,720
Speaker 2: feed store.

1098
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 1: There were handwritten old bills. Oh my gosh. And I

1099
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: was like, I.

1100
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 2: Was like, oh my god, look look look, And my

1101
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 2: friend Katie's like, oh yeah, those are in all the walls.

1102
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: This is some straight gooney shit.

1103
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 3: I know, you know what.

1104
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: Gooneys fucking ruined it. They made me want to do this.

1105
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 2: Goonies raise the bar where it's like, I don't just

1106
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,760
Speaker 2: want chicken feed bill store bills.

1107
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: I want a large ship filled with gold the blues

1108
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: right right hidden in the cove. Yeah, but I want

1109
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: to start with the fucking attic with all the paintings

1110
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 1: in it. Yes, yes, listen, okay, look, look and listen.

1111
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,399
Speaker 1: I've please invited to your abandoned house right fucking now.

1112
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,399
Speaker 1: I left this pardon because I knew that this would happen,

1113
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: because it's like my scream and it's so urgery. I

1114
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: know it's yours too. If you've ever found something in

1115
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: a wall on the floor, immediately please and no lying,

1116
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: no lying. My favorite murder of jmail. I did have

1117
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: a friend, a couple of friends who did a who

1118
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: were remodeling their house on their own here in LA

1119
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:44,479
Speaker 1: and found like just like cool trinkets and stuff. Yeah,

1120
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 1: which it was cool, it would be amazing. Yeah. Okay,

1121
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: okayo bated it back to the store. Anyways, here's more

1122
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:56,359
Speaker 1: horrible things. So he tried to kidnap her. Blah blah blah,

1123
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: she died, incinerated her body. That's for Sandra. Okay. Then

1124
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: David mirr Hoffer is like, but wait, there's more. He

1125
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: confesses to the unsolved killing of two local boys. March

1126
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty seven, thirteen year old Bernard Pullman is playing

1127
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: with a friend in a creek in Manhattan, Montana. So

1128
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: at the time, David Meherhoffer is a high school senior,

1129
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 1: and Bernard, this kid's older brother was a classmate that

1130
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,280
Speaker 1: David had fought with. David drives By sees the little

1131
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: brother fucking pulls over, takes his fucking twenty two out

1132
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: of his car, hides behind some bushes, and fucking shoots

1133
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 1: Bernard through the fucking heart. Of course he's playing. Fuck yeah.

1134
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 1: And then in May nineteen sixty eight, and this is

1135
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: five years before Susie had been kidnapped and murdered, he

1136
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: had been kidnapped and murdered. This is like ten miles

1137
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 1: from where that had happened. A boy scout named Michael Rainey,

1138
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: he's twelve years old. He was sleeping in his tent

1139
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 1: at this boy scout retreat, and his tent mate, who

1140
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 1: was in the fucking down with him, wakes up to

1141
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: find him dead. He had been struck on the head

1142
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 1: and stabbed to death while he had been sleeping. No, yeah,

1143
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: it's fucking crazy. David said he had randomly killed the

1144
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: boys because he was pissed that he had rarely killed

1145
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: that kid, because he had been pissed that he had

1146
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 1: been fired from being involved in the boy Scouts. Wow,

1147
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 1: I know, Well she is like so problematic and you're

1148
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 1: fucking thinking, okay, I mean obviously.

1149
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a murderer, all right.

1150
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: As for lovely little Susie Yeger, David said he had

1151
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: taken her to an abandoned ranch and choked her to

1152
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 1: death after he had kept her I think for a

1153
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: little while in a closet, like a week. I know.

1154
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: Then he dismembered her and burned her pieces, burned her up.

1155
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 1: But of course we don't know what happened for sure,

1156
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 1: because this is just all him. Yeah, yeah, all right.

1157
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: So David Meherhoffer, who Tettan and Mulaney believed had schizopathy, right,

1158
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: which is a mix of psychopathy and simple schizophrenia. That's

1159
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 1: what they think he had. This was the case. This

1160
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: case was the first case solved by offender profiling. So

1161
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: is the first fucking case. Were these two dudes, not

1162
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: the guys from Mindhunter, but very similar? Yep? And there

1163
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: actually is a book called mind Hunter and that's what

1164
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: the that's what it's based on. Yep. Whatever. Okay, so

1165
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: this is the first case sold by that. They believe

1166
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: that his motive had been the thrill of killing for sport.

1167
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: So he's just a fucking asshole. Yeah, So they didn't

1168
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: they couldn't interview him further because that night when he

1169
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: fucking confessed to everything, and like early morning hours, they

1170
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: walk him back to a cell and he fucking hangs

1171
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: himself with the fucking towel that was in the cell

1172
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,919
Speaker 1: with him. Yeah, of course he does. But wait, I'm

1173
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: not ending on that. I'm not a fucking asshole, but

1174
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: do So. That was September twenty ninth. He's twenty five

1175
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:16,919
Speaker 1: years old. David Mierhoffer hangs himself. Fuck you, Okay, what

1176
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: fuck you? I'm not as good as Marietta.

1177
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 2: No, I love we may we all strive to be

1178
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 2: that way and in the meantime, fuck you dude.

1179
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: All right. So back to Marietta. In the early nineteen nineties,

1180
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: Marietta Jaeger Co founds a group called Journey of Hope.

1181
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: Uh dots from Violence to Healing Dots. That's a colon.

1182
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 1: It's a It's absolutely a colon.

1183
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 2: I also think the word earlier is pronounced psychopathy. I

1184
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 2: knew I was getting it wrong, but I when I

1185
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 2: read it, I read psychopathy too.

1186
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: You're totally right, psychopathy, but it's like.

1187
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 2: That's the people who study it are the words who

1188
00:58:59,280 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 2: say it that way.

1189
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 3: I'm going to correct.

1190
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: You, but you don't hear it that much anymore. So

1191
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: it's like an old term, right. Yes. No, I'm glad

1192
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: you corrected me because I was like psychopathy. Yeah, no,

1193
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah. Okay. So Marietta, now in her late seventies,

1194
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 1: works with family members of murder victims and lectures at

1195
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: university schools, churches, fucking around the entire country, and also

1196
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: like went to the Hague and shit to fucking argue

1197
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: for certain things. I don't mean, what is the Hague.

1198
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 1: I think it's like the Peace Center. They're like, let's

1199
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: it's like the one of my favorite This might need

1200
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 1: to be edited out. You're sounds really stupid.

1201
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 2: I love to reference the Hague. I think it's a

1202
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 2: really funny comedy reference. And one of my favorite people

1203
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 2: on Twitter, DVS, who is a rapper in New York.

1204
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 2: He made a tweet today about being at the Hague

1205
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 2: and it made me love him so much.

1206
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 3: It was so funny and random and bizarre.

1207
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 1: But as I laughed at it, I was like, I

1208
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: just don't know what this actually means. How on earth

1209
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 1: is that? Ha mentioned twice in one day for you?

1210
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 3: Right?

1211
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: That's crazy. That's why.

1212
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 3: That's why I mentioned this anecdot.

1213
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 1: I think it's like the Peace the Peace Center. It's

1214
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 1: it's something political for sure. It's like where you It's

1215
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: where you can't be a fucking asshole. It's like the

1216
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 1: Hague is like where everyone looks for peace and justice.

1217
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, not real you was laughing at us and

1218
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: looking at his mont It's center. I don't know.

1219
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 4: I can't find a actual dection of it.

1220
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: Doesn't exist a political building where they. Isn't it like

1221
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 1: where they?

1222
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's the International City of Oh it's a city.

1223
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 4: It's called the International City of Peace and Justice.

1224
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: Right, everyone suck my right now, Elvis am I right?

1225
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm so sorry I doubted you. It

1226
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: just sounded like total bullshit. The thing is, it was

1227
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 1: total bullshit. I just must have learned about it somewhere.

1228
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 1: I think my brain is a better fucking fly trap

1229
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 1: than I thought it was.

1230
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 2: You like that was like you Wikipedia memorized that and

1231
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 2: you didn't even know it.

1232
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:15,479
Speaker 1: Uh huh, nice one, Thank you. That's a big shit.

1233
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna call my production company the hag so good.

1234
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 2: Do you think that's copywritten?

1235
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 1: Or do you think I'll say you're opening a production company?

1236
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: Can I know? I didn't tell you it's more for sports.

1237
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: That's my NIW thing. I love it. Love mispits okay,

1238
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 1: boop boop up. Okay. So she's in her late seventies.

1239
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 1: She fucking is like telling everyone what she works with

1240
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 1: the s friber so they don't end up quote giving

1241
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 1: the offenders another victim themselves. Ye, Because the whole thing

1242
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 1: of like this hate is going to consume you. So

1243
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 1: she's like, here's how to forgive. It's not you know,

1244
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 1: I'm making this part up, But it's not for them.

1245
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 1: You're not forgiving them for them, You're you forgive them

1246
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: for yourself because you can't have that hundred percent.

1247
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it's so true and like, and I think

1248
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:08,479
Speaker 2: it's also every it's everybody's kind of overarching goal because

1249
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 2: we all have things were mad about, we all have bitterness,

1250
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 2: and we all think.

1251
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 1: It doesn't affect that other person at all unless you

1252
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 1: bitch slap them once a day, Like it doesn't, but

1253
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 1: even then it feels terrible and you're angry.

1254
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 2: I've had a couple dreams where there was one person

1255
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 2: I was very mad at for a long time and

1256
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 2: I had to have dreams about slapping her face, and

1257
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 2: when I woke up, I was so relieved that I

1258
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 2: didn't actually do it, because it feels terrible, like making

1259
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 2: yourself feel terrible in an effort in the name of vengeance.

1260
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's but that's such, that's.

1261
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: High level recovery. Fucking Buddhist ship. Yeah, don't be mad

1262
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 1: at yourself if you're not there yet, No way, serious,

1263
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: fucking I don't. I mean, like that's the hardest.

1264
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 2: That's I feel like it's I mean, that's yeah, that's

1265
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 2: long term, Yeah, long term goal.

1266
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 1: And like we're talking about someone who fucking made out

1267
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 1: with our boyfriend, not someone who fucking murdered our seven

1268
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 1: year old high or yeah child. Ye, so listen, So

1269
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 1: it's even baby steps, it's even more just self care. Look,

1270
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: we're all listening. We're all trying to walk to the Hague, right,

1271
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 1: but there's miles to go.

1272
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 3: We got miles to go.

1273
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 1: You know, the Hague is your fucking end game, haig,

1274
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 1: sam game. Don't be mad at yourself that you're not

1275
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 1: at the Hague. No, we're still We're still here in America.

1276
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 2: We don't even know where the fucking country the Hague

1277
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 2: is in.

1278
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 1: What it does? Where is it Denmark or some ship

1279
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 1: like that? I bet it is somewhere some are The

1280
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 1: Vegue is in a Hague place. The Hague is in

1281
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 1: a bag place.

1282
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 4: Uh Denmark, Karen, No.

1283
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 2: Sorry, we're going Okay, Now I have to ask another

1284
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 2: embarrassing question.

1285
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 3: Isn't Denmark in another one?

1286
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 1: Yes? Aren't we going there? No? Amsterdam's the Netherlands. Aren't

1287
01:03:55,920 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 1: we going there? This fucking this. We're going there in May.

1288
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the Netherlands.

1289
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 2: The Netherlands is where Amsterdam is, right, Okay, so I'm

1290
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 2: not but Denmark.

1291
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 3: Denmark's its own beautiful independent country.

1292
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Now they're so cut. That cut the

1293
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 1: first half of this podcast and the second half a

1294
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 1: fucking disaster first and second. Okay, let me finish. Yes, sorry, no, no, no,

1295
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Speaker 1: You're fine because we're going to get through this because

1296
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna because I'm trying to end this positive note

1297
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 1: which just keeping you know what, it.

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01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 2: Couldn't be a more positive note, and we're like ruining it.

1299
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 1: We're just giddy for some positive news. Yes exactly, okay, okay.

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01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 1: Marietta is also an advocate against the death penalty. She says, quote,

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01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:44,800
Speaker 1: I would not honor the goodness and sweetness and beauty

1302
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 1: of my little girl's life by killing someone in their name.

1303
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 1: And then she says she's worth she's worthy of a

1304
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 1: more honorable memorial than a cold blooded, state sanctioned killing

1305
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 1: of a defenseless person, however deserving of the death of

1306
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 1: death that person may be, which like agree or disagree

1307
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 1: that that's a beautiful fucking statement. And you can't argue

1308
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 1: with someone who's talking about the killer of their daughter. No,

1309
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 1: you're wrong, And here's the why.

1310
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 2: No, no, no, there's no arguing that because that's a person

1311
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 2: that's first person experience exactly. Yeah, so anybody else, I mean, like, look,

1312
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 2: everybody obviously grieves and processes in their own way. But

1313
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 2: that concept, it's a reframing of looking at it, which is,

1314
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 2: you really are doing it self righteously in the name

1315
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 2: of the person who was killed, exactly. But then it's

1316
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 2: like she's making you rethink that, which is brilliant and

1317
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 2: really amazing.

1318
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 1: Are you ready for fucking to go to practice what

1319
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 1: you preach? Town? Yeah? Are you ready to fucking visit

1320
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 1: it and go there and stay there for a holiday?

1321
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 1: You mean the peace place? Yeah? You ready go to

1322
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 1: the Hague, the practice what you hague. So after David's suicide,

1323
01:05:57,040 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 1: Marietta reaches out to David Mihrhoffer, the fucking killer of

1324
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 1: his daughter, her daughter, Ye reaches out to them To

1325
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 1: David Mirohoffer's mother, Yes, because she's a victim too, And

1326
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 1: in the years following his suicide, the moms together accompanied

1327
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 1: each other's to each other's children's Graves no, and she said, quote,

1328
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 1: together we were able to grieve as mothers who had

1329
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 1: lost their children. I hoped that it would help her

1330
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 1: to know that I had forgiven him. I know, Holy

1331
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 1: fucking shit, I know. Say her name again. Marietta marrieda Yaeger. Wow. Yeah,

1332
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 1: I think she wrote a book too. But the group

1333
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 1: is called Journey of Hope, and it's yeah, it's fucked up.

1334
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 1: It's crazy. I can't like because you've seen that.

1335
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 2: I mean, we've all seen that on true crime shows,

1336
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 2: where the family of the perpetrator, right, is horrified and like.

1337
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 3: And they are in this strange bubble.

1338
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 1: And they have this shame and humiliation guilty association. Yeah,

1339
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 1: and it's like, what could I have done to prevent this?

1340
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 2: And and they often are the subject of so much hatred.

1341
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 1: But probably maybe or maybe we're victimized by the person

1342
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 1: the portrator themselves. Yes, God damn, that's high level, high

1343
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 1: level human work, right there.

1344
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 3: Uh huh Marietta Yeager.

1345
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 1: Fuck yep. And that's that. Wow, Georgia, that was amazing,

1346
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 1: Thank you. That's what happens when you have insomnia and

1347
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 1: you listen to terrible books, you know, like a way

1348
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 1: that's like, of course you're not sleeping, you're listening to

1349
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 1: this ship.

1350
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 2: It's so funny though, because when I was listening to those,

1351
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 2: is it those who fight monsters?

1352
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1353
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:58,520
Speaker 1: Think so, Yeah, yeah, I think it is something like that, which,

1354
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:00,120
Speaker 1: by the way, is a great book to possle to.

1355
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 1: I fucking bring it down to instead of at full speed,

1356
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:05,439
Speaker 1: I bring down to seventy five percent speed. Oh, good

1357
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 1: fucking night.

1358
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 3: Usually I like that narrator.

1359
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's he's good. He's he sounds like an FBI agent.

1360
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 2: He sounds official and standard, but then there's also an

1361
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 2: interestingness to his voice. But when I was reading that,

1362
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 2: because that book it seems like that book has ninety

1363
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 2: five chapters. Like when I was reading and it was

1364
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 2: just in my car, every time I would drive around,

1365
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:28,719
Speaker 2: and it felt like it went on forever. But every

1366
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 2: time I would be like, write this down. This could

1367
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 2: be you know, because there are so many ones that

1368
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 2: were obscure or I either hadn't heard of or knew

1369
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:37,719
Speaker 2: a little bit about.

1370
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:39,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, where I was like write this down and I

1371
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 3: just know it.

1372
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 1: Well, this is the reason I found this one is

1373
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 1: because I was on the last chapter and it's about

1374
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:47,679
Speaker 1: Ed Kemper, and it's just this like even killed guy

1375
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:51,679
Speaker 1: narrator talking about he would cut the heads off of it.

1376
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:54,599
Speaker 1: And I was like, what are you listening to, Georgia. Yeah.

1377
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 1: So then instead of like putting something else on about

1378
01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 1: like fucking space, I put on chapter set. I was like,

1379
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 1: fuck this chapter and a different chapter. I'll go to

1380
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 1: a different chapter of the murder book where this is

1381
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:09,360
Speaker 1: the subject again. Yeah, it's just gonna be a different body.

1382
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:12,639
Speaker 1: Just won't be anything that's not Ed Kemper. That's all

1383
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 1: I need.

1384
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 2: Also, have people already started up fan groups for the

1385
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 2: actor because I realized I.

1386
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 1: Saw our boy Ed Kemper.

1387
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 3: But what I mean is the actor who played Ed

1388
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:23,880
Speaker 3: Kemper in Mine Hunter.

1389
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 1: You know we're following him on Instagram now, Oh really yeah,

1390
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 1: because someone some we joked about how he would be

1391
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 1: he should be on what's that pitch perfect? Pitch perfect?

1392
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:42,280
Speaker 1: And so someone and someone made a fucking amazing graphic

1393
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 1: with just him photoshopped and they're very like badly on purpose,

1394
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 1: and it was super hilarious. Oh yeah, that's right. And

1395
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 1: so someone tagged the dude who was who plays him,

1396
01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 1: and I was like, hey, look, you're on this podcast,

1397
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 1: and so we're following him now. I don't know if

1398
01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 1: I can find his NAM right now, I probably can't.

1399
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 1: He followed Beyonce too, so oh nice. He's got to

1400
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:04,200
Speaker 1: be in there somewhere. But it's pretty great.

1401
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 3: That's so rad.

1402
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's pretty because he looks like a he

1403
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 1: looks like you're like your big friend from high school

1404
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:14,559
Speaker 1: that like always has shitty weed to hang out with

1405
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 1: you with, and like like he just looks cool and fun.

1406
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:19,640
Speaker 2: And then he looks like men in his life have

1407
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 2: always tried to pressure him into playing football, but then

1408
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:23,679
Speaker 2: he would.

1409
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 1: Talk to them about like quantum physics and they yeah,

1410
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,759
Speaker 1: alone and he like really likes hanging out with girls,

1411
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:32,719
Speaker 1: but like not sexually assaulting them, yes exactly, andlike Ed Kemper,

1412
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 1: and then he like will post a photo on Instagram

1413
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:37,080
Speaker 1: of like here's me as Ed Kemper. You got to

1414
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 1: watch this and it's like, oh my god, that's not you.

1415
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:42,759
Speaker 4: It's Rope Steven Cameron Britain.

1416
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 2: Yes see Canadian m he looks he's got a Canadian.

1417
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:51,200
Speaker 1: Vibe to me. Yeah maybe maybe Cameron.

1418
01:10:51,640 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 3: Let us know, Well that was great and we're back.

1419
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 3: Do you have any updates.

1420
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:05,719
Speaker 1: There are no case updates, but in January of twenty

1421
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 1: twenty two, journalist and author Ron Franchell wrote the book

1422
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:11,760
Speaker 1: shadow Man, An Elusive Psycho Killer and the Birth of

1423
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 1: FBI Profiling about this case and the role that played

1424
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 1: in the FBI's first criminal profile, which I think is

1425
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 1: so interesting. We should all check that out. All right,

1426
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 1: let's get into Karen's story about Randall Sato.

1427
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 2: So this, as I've already said several times, I drove

1428
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 2: down the five.

1429
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:36,880
Speaker 1: TOI, honey, I bet this is going to be amazing.

1430
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 3: No, no, no, this is part of this is like

1431
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 3: the beginning.

1432
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I called you, honey. Okay, I get I

1433
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:43,439
Speaker 1: thought you were telling about how bad it was going

1434
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 1: to be, and I'm totally it is.

1435
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 3: But I've already made that clear.

1436
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 1: Okay.

1437
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:49,679
Speaker 2: But okay, So I wanted to do a story something

1438
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 2: about the five love it right now, I've already done.

1439
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:54,719
Speaker 3: The I five killer.

1440
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:58,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, the guy that used to be on the football team,

1441
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 2: that is I mean. And then there was also an

1442
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:05,280
Speaker 2: I five strangler, but he was one of those ones

1443
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 2: that I didn't.

1444
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:10,639
Speaker 1: It just was depressing. Yeah, and it was a lot

1445
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:17,559
Speaker 1: of women's bodies lost in creek beds for years and years. Yeah,

1446
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:20,720
Speaker 1: when we say we say these it was just depressing,

1447
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 1: we mean it also didn't have interesting facts. We don't

1448
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 1: mean like they're all fucking depressing. They're all depressing.

1449
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 2: This one was once again a man who for twenty

1450
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:33,479
Speaker 2: to thirty years just got away with killing whoever the

1451
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 2: fuck woman he wanted to come by.

1452
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:37,479
Speaker 1: There's no myriad at the end of that fucking story.

1453
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:40,160
Speaker 2: That's exactly what it is. That's exactly what it is,

1454
01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:42,959
Speaker 2: except for that's not true. In the I five Strangler,

1455
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 2: there's a there's a detective who would go and hike

1456
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:49,160
Speaker 2: up in the mountains because the one woman that this

1457
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:51,840
Speaker 2: guy said he killed but they couldn't find her body.

1458
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 2: He would just go hike to see if he could

1459
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 2: find something. And he finally fucking found a quarter size

1460
01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 2: bone in a creek that when that had been a

1461
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 2: dry creek bed when he put her body there, but

1462
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:06,639
Speaker 2: was now a flowing creek.

1463
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:07,759
Speaker 1: What the fuck?

1464
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:10,840
Speaker 2: He found it and they DNA tested it and it

1465
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:11,439
Speaker 2: was her.

1466
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:13,120
Speaker 1: What in the fucking fuck?

1467
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:15,840
Speaker 2: I bet you I had all of that on a

1468
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:20,680
Speaker 2: document somewhere somewhere I could have given me. But it

1469
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 2: was pretty amazing, and that was that one of those

1470
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:25,640
Speaker 2: things where there are detectives out there who do that

1471
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 2: job because they want they not only want to help people,

1472
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 2: but they they want to solve people's like that sadness

1473
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 2: for family.

1474
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 1: They want people, they want them to know.

1475
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:40,720
Speaker 3: They want to end the sadness as much as they can.

1476
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 1: There's no closure. We know that, but you need, but

1477
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:45,120
Speaker 1: not knowing it is worse exactly.

1478
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 2: And he would hike. He would just hike around the area.

1479
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 2: I mean, it's amazing anyway, but apparently that didn't cut

1480
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 2: That didn't cut it for me. Apparently my standards are

1481
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 2: even that amazing story.

1482
01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:58,360
Speaker 1: No, here's what it is.

1483
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:01,880
Speaker 2: I hadn't heard, but this is a not only is

1484
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 2: it not an old story, this is almost a borderline

1485
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 2: breaking store. Wait, so that when I heard it, I

1486
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 2: was like, hold on, I'd never heard anything about this.

1487
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:17,160
Speaker 2: So on Wednesday, November fifteenth, wait, like two weeks weeks ago,

1488
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 2: a cab driver in Stockton, California. He picks up a

1489
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 2: fair and he notices that the man that's in his

1490
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:33,639
Speaker 2: car fits the description of the APB that the San

1491
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 2: Joaquin County Sheriff's Department had just put out for a six.

1492
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:40,640
Speaker 1: Foot tall man with a heavy built, black hair and

1493
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:41,599
Speaker 1: black eyes.

1494
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 2: Oh, it was very dangerous and in the APB said

1495
01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:49,479
Speaker 2: do not approach him under any.

1496
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:51,760
Speaker 1: Circle or pick him up in your cab. Right.

1497
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 2: So this cab driver calls nine one one and says,

1498
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:57,759
Speaker 2: I think I just had this guy in my cab.

1499
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:00,559
Speaker 3: And at ten thirty am, Lisa.

1500
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:03,960
Speaker 2: Arrest fifty nine year old Randal Sato at a gas

1501
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:07,599
Speaker 2: station on Highway ninety nine. And it turns out Randall

1502
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:11,559
Speaker 2: was an escape of a Hawaiian mental hospital where he

1503
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 2: had lived he has lived for the.

1504
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 1: Past forty years. Oh my god.

1505
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:20,360
Speaker 2: He is described by the doctors and the people that

1506
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 2: committed him there as violent, a violent, manipulative psychopath, and

1507
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:25,959
Speaker 2: a murderer.

1508
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 1: So here's what he did to get into that mental hospital.

1509
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:34,800
Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy seven, a woman named Sandra Yamashiro was

1510
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 2: walking to her car out of a mall called the

1511
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 2: Ala Moana Center.

1512
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:44,400
Speaker 1: Next to her car is a car parked and a

1513
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 1: man sitting in that car.

1514
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 2: He shoots her in the face with a pillot gun

1515
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:57,599
Speaker 2: in her car, and he goes over to asks if

1516
01:15:57,600 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 2: she's okay. She's been shot in the face.

1517
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:04,599
Speaker 1: Oh, my god, and then he repeatedly stabs her. He

1518
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:07,800
Speaker 1: goes over to like see if she's okay, and and

1519
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 1: then well says the phrase like are you okay?

1520
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 2: But he just went over there and then basically stabbed

1521
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 2: her multiple times, left her, left her in her car,

1522
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:21,840
Speaker 2: and then got back into his car where her girlfriend

1523
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:24,519
Speaker 2: was sitting in the car, and drove away.

1524
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 1: Was she okay? Gone?

1525
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:31,599
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about the girlfriend because this is

1526
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:34,800
Speaker 2: so fresh that basically all the it's one of those

1527
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:37,559
Speaker 2: things where there's the AP story that came out. There

1528
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 2: was a story that was in Time and AP and

1529
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 2: every other article in every other newspaper was basically the

1530
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 2: same article, different slightly different word changing, what we call

1531
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:54,720
Speaker 2: the Karen kill Gareff treatment. So so he's tried for

1532
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 2: this murder, and he is acquitted by reason of insanity.

1533
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:01,720
Speaker 1: So he's had it not because you don't stab a

1534
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:03,639
Speaker 1: person that many times and then get into a car

1535
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:05,640
Speaker 1: and you don't bled ale O real she's sitting in

1536
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 1: the car next to the car where the murder's taking place,

1537
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:09,639
Speaker 1: and she's hanging out and having a great time.

1538
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:12,559
Speaker 2: I don't she's like murder unless she has seventies fucking

1539
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:17,479
Speaker 2: headphones on and an imask like she's trying away. She

1540
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 2: doesn't know exactly what the fuck's going on. Ooh, good

1541
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 2: point if she's driving creepy. Well, either way, he gets tried,

1542
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 2: he is not convicted. Instead, he's acquitted by reason of insanity.

1543
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:35,400
Speaker 2: But then he is committed to the Hawaii State Psychiatric Hospital,

1544
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:43,160
Speaker 2: where he's lived for the past forty years. Fuck yeah, So.

1545
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 1: Here's what happened.

1546
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 2: On Sunday, November twelfth, at nine am, Randalls walks off

1547
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:50,639
Speaker 2: the ground.

1548
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:53,799
Speaker 1: No, he shouldn't be able to do that, right, he shouldn't.

1549
01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:57,799
Speaker 2: And he walks to a place called Kinna Okay Park,

1550
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:00,720
Speaker 2: which is how I'm thinking that they pronounce it. So

1551
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 2: he gets to this park, he calls the cab, the dispatcher.

1552
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:10,160
Speaker 2: There was a whole article about this dispatcher. It's a

1553
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:13,639
Speaker 2: a female cab driver comes and picks him. Oh no,

1554
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:18,639
Speaker 2: there's a video camera inside the cab and it shows

1555
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:21,799
Speaker 2: him and he now has a backpack that he didn't

1556
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:25,559
Speaker 2: have I couldn't have had at the psychiatric hospital. And

1557
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 2: he in the video, he's looking through the backpack like

1558
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:31,200
Speaker 2: he's never seen it before. So he's like rifling through

1559
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 2: it to see what's in it. Oh my god, no, no, no.

1560
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:37,800
Speaker 2: He pays the cab driver in cash, and he gets

1561
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:42,200
Speaker 2: dropped off at the airport where he has chartered already

1562
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:46,640
Speaker 2: chartered a plane cost him fifteen hundred bucks. If you

1563
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 2: charter a plane that's essentially a private plane, and you.

1564
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 1: Know you don't have to check your that's right. What

1565
01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 1: the fuck?

1566
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:57,360
Speaker 2: If you pay a guy fifteen hundred bucks and you're like,

1567
01:18:57,400 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 2: can you fly me to Maui? They're like, oh, okay,

1568
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 2: they don't. They don't make you do anything extra.

1569
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:06,120
Speaker 1: Not enough money to not have that shit checked. Right,

1570
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 1: But but it is.

1571
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:10,599
Speaker 2: It is Hawaii where it's all islands, and that's kind

1572
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:12,560
Speaker 2: of a major mode of transportation.

1573
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:17,280
Speaker 1: As I learned to go with film Hard Ticket to Hawaii.

1574
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 3: Please watch it if you've never seen it, I haven't.

1575
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 1: Okay, So, uh so he gets he gets to Maui.

1576
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:27,679
Speaker 2: Then he with a fake ID that was in there,

1577
01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 2: you know, uh postulating was in the backpack. So basically

1578
01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:34,320
Speaker 2: somebody put that backpack together for him.

1579
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 1: Who I bet it was his cousin. I'm just gonna say, cousin.

1580
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:41,840
Speaker 1: Fucking cousins, man, They're always fuck They're always fucking helping

1581
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 1: you too.

1582
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:49,240
Speaker 2: They're always aiding and they're always a betting always. So

1583
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 2: he gets onto a Hawaiian air flight to San Jose.

1584
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no.

1585
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:57,040
Speaker 2: Imagine the difference between you live in Hawaii and you

1586
01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:58,040
Speaker 2: you're like, I gotta get.

1587
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:01,679
Speaker 1: To San Jose. Imagine who's that next to him right

1588
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 1: on the plane. I want to know what he drank.

1589
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 1: I want to know what sandwich he ordered, and they

1590
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:09,920
Speaker 1: were out of that sandwich, so he had to get

1591
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:11,360
Speaker 1: a fucking wrap. I'll tell you what.

1592
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:14,439
Speaker 2: He has a backpack full of cash, seemingly uh huh,

1593
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 2: because he bought it.

1594
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 1: They don't take cash on planes anymore.

1595
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 2: Good points. I'm sorry he got zero drinks on that plane. Yeah,

1596
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 2: he got zero sandwiches on them. Right, unless it was

1597
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:26,719
Speaker 2: a Jet Blue where you go up to that awesome

1598
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:27,560
Speaker 2: little refrigerator.

1599
01:20:28,439 --> 01:20:30,600
Speaker 3: I have never George and I took a flight.

1600
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:34,439
Speaker 2: And there's a Jet Blue setup now where instead of

1601
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:36,880
Speaker 2: them bringing around a weird wicker basket of like, do

1602
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:38,320
Speaker 2: you want a pretzel like picket?

1603
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:41,800
Speaker 1: Now, picket like more than one? Don't put this on me.

1604
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:44,840
Speaker 1: I always say no out of like pride. I always

1605
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:47,160
Speaker 1: pick wrong and I get bummed about it. I'm always

1606
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:50,479
Speaker 1: like I'm above pretzels and cookies. I actually hate pretzels,

1607
01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:53,080
Speaker 1: but I would have loved those fucking yam chips or

1608
01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:54,400
Speaker 1: whatever the fuck I want to.

1609
01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 2: I don't want a basket shoved at me like it's

1610
01:20:57,360 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 2: the offering plate in church. I want to sit with

1611
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 2: my decision and be like, what do I want?

1612
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:04,400
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna grab each and then eat a little

1613
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 1: of each like a fucking I.

1614
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 3: Want to dig through it like a large raccoon.

1615
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 1: I want to be what I want, all of them.

1616
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 2: I'm gonna touch each bag, even though they're the same

1617
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:16,200
Speaker 2: brand and the same item. Well, he didn't get that opportunity.

1618
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 2: He didn't get shit unless it was a jebus.

1619
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:19,840
Speaker 3: Right, No, it wasn't. It was Hawaiian Air.

1620
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 1: Okay, we knew that.

1621
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:24,320
Speaker 2: We knew that, we knew that going in. I just

1622
01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:28,960
Speaker 2: wanted to talk about a mid plane refrigerator and snack

1623
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:33,240
Speaker 2: cupboard that was purely based on do you have the

1624
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 2: guts to walk up here and grab food? And then

1625
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 2: it was just all the bravest people on the plane.

1626
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:41,680
Speaker 1: That makes me sad. Why because you have to be

1627
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:43,479
Speaker 1: brave to go up and get a snack.

1628
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:46,000
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's just the sietal pressure where it's

1629
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 2: like you walk up there, but everyone's gonna watch.

1630
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 1: You, Like for me, fuck you, I'm gonna point at

1631
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:53,559
Speaker 1: everyone next time. Fuck you, fuck you. Fuck I'm gonna

1632
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:56,719
Speaker 1: go through the plane. Here's what I did. I waited

1633
01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:58,200
Speaker 1: and waited and waited. Then I waited si Ie to

1634
01:21:58,240 --> 01:22:00,559
Speaker 1: go to the bathroom because the bathroom was right across

1635
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 1: from this area. Then as I came out of the bathroom,

1636
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:05,720
Speaker 1: I pretending I've never seen the cover before, and then

1637
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:06,240
Speaker 1: I went.

1638
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:07,559
Speaker 3: Well, I guess I will have a bed.

1639
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:10,040
Speaker 1: Well, I'm up. I mean this makes me think you

1640
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 1: have shame issues around eating and drinking. Do you think

1641
01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:16,560
Speaker 1: because I sucking this makes you think it? Not me

1642
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:19,280
Speaker 1: telling you over and over that I have just see

1643
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:23,080
Speaker 1: don't listen, let me say this. I'm like, yeah, I

1644
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:26,680
Speaker 1: carry me. All have issues? Great, what do you want

1645
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:29,760
Speaker 1: to order? And well, I guess this is probably why

1646
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:31,479
Speaker 1: when we do order, I'm like, let's get to this

1647
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:33,360
Speaker 1: and this and this, because then you'll just say yes

1648
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:36,200
Speaker 1: instead of yes saying I don't want that, No, I'm

1649
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 1: not ordering it.

1650
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:40,559
Speaker 2: I Also, my my favorite new thing is yes, let's

1651
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:41,360
Speaker 2: get four things.

1652
01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:44,960
Speaker 1: Okay, sorry, this is just a sidebar. This is this

1653
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:48,120
Speaker 1: poor guy. This has become about us. I know poor guys.

1654
01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:51,760
Speaker 2: I got this asshole this okay him? Okay, what we went?

1655
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:54,400
Speaker 2: There's a new restaurant that opened up, Peddlum. While I

1656
01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:57,880
Speaker 2: was home for Thanksgiving, Adrian and I made plans for lunch.

1657
01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:00,400
Speaker 2: Then my dad was like, hey, want to go lunch?

1658
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:02,920
Speaker 2: And I was like, Adrian, can we collapse these plants together?

1659
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:05,719
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm under a lot of pressure and she's like, totally,

1660
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:06,599
Speaker 2: let's party with Jim.

1661
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:08,120
Speaker 1: Is he the coolest? I want to hang with him

1662
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:10,760
Speaker 1: so bad? My dad? Yeah, he's the greatest man. Is

1663
01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 1: he coming in our LA show? I think we could

1664
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:15,559
Speaker 1: get him too. Let's let's put him up at like

1665
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:18,760
Speaker 1: a really nice hotel, Like, let's spoil Jim. I want

1666
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:20,280
Speaker 1: Vincent him to talk about wrestling.

1667
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:24,160
Speaker 2: He would Vince should go on their own separate vacation. Okay,

1668
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:27,360
Speaker 2: they would be best friends immediately. Do you know that

1669
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:30,240
Speaker 2: my dad got mad We went to this place and

1670
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 2: they didn't have Budweiser and he wanted to leave.

1671
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:35,280
Speaker 1: Oh, vinces like that too. Yeah, it was that thing,

1672
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:36,160
Speaker 1: where goes I go?

1673
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 4: Dad?

1674
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:38,720
Speaker 2: They have log They have all Loganitas on tap because

1675
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:40,120
Speaker 2: Logan is in Pedalona.

1676
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:43,720
Speaker 1: That's the fucking Oh, that's bullshit. I don't want that.

1677
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:47,200
Speaker 1: Who doesn't have but Way seriously gets pissive. They on

1678
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:48,200
Speaker 1: like certain things.

1679
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:50,559
Speaker 3: Lunch started with a slight anger.

1680
01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:52,880
Speaker 1: That's oh it was for Oh, your dad and I

1681
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 1: are gonna get along like drinking. Sign me the fuck up, honey.

1682
01:23:57,640 --> 01:23:59,320
Speaker 1: When you walk into you guys have to come.

1683
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:02,720
Speaker 2: Okay, when can you walk in to Jim's house? The

1684
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:04,439
Speaker 2: first thing he says to you, Hey, you want a

1685
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:04,920
Speaker 2: cold one?

1686
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:07,320
Speaker 1: Can't he make me? I know that he used to

1687
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:10,840
Speaker 1: drink Manhattan's. Oh your mom, can he make me in Manhattan?

1688
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:13,160
Speaker 2: He would love to make you a Manhattan It would

1689
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 2: be his favorite thing. And he would also laugh like

1690
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:18,600
Speaker 2: you're gonna have a man hate. You would think it

1691
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 2: was the most refreshing thing in the world. Okay, Yeah,

1692
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:27,599
Speaker 2: they party. He parties. They well, kind of all my family.

1693
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 2: I was thinking of because at his birthday party we

1694
01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:33,240
Speaker 2: went up. We all went out to dinner and Carol Painter,

1695
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:35,679
Speaker 2: who was sitting next to me, his friend, his friend

1696
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 2: Woody So also a fireman.

1697
01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 1: That's Mark.

1698
01:24:39,479 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 3: Manhattan's are like the first thing they order.

1699
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:43,080
Speaker 1: At a restaurant. Oh yeah, I love it.

1700
01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:46,040
Speaker 2: They're good times, good time people. So from Maui he

1701
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:49,280
Speaker 2: goes to Santas. He arrives in California at five thirty

1702
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 2: Hawaiian time. Two hours later, the hospital alerts the authorities

1703
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:57,200
Speaker 2: that he's facing which is eight hours after he walked

1704
01:24:57,320 --> 01:24:58,880
Speaker 2: off the hospital.

1705
01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:03,800
Speaker 1: Ground, different fucking part of the planet, and they're like, oh, hey, look,

1706
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:08,519
Speaker 1: miss quick bed check. We did an evening bedcheck. Randall

1707
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:12,400
Speaker 1: wasn't around once a day bed check. This hospital with.

1708
01:25:12,439 --> 01:25:14,520
Speaker 3: Three hundred patients, they're at capacity.

1709
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:18,519
Speaker 2: And the sad part is or whatever part they're now

1710
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:22,040
Speaker 2: under all under investigation, and like over sixty employees are

1711
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:23,400
Speaker 2: on unpaid leave.

1712
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:25,479
Speaker 3: Until they figure out how this happens.

1713
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:27,680
Speaker 2: I just hope they figured it out quickly so that

1714
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:29,960
Speaker 2: they're not just punishing a bunch of random people.

1715
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:33,400
Speaker 1: Fifty nine of those people deserve their job back, and hey,

1716
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:36,439
Speaker 1: you were in a psychiatric hospital. You better get paid

1717
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:38,559
Speaker 1: every minute of the time you're there.

1718
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:40,879
Speaker 3: That's a hard job. Basically.

1719
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:44,920
Speaker 2: Then the APB goes out at eight thirty, so this

1720
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 2: is like, you know, a lot of time has passed

1721
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:50,880
Speaker 2: since Randall has just chill, super chill style walked off

1722
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:52,280
Speaker 2: that psychiatric grad Yeah.

1723
01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:52,920
Speaker 1: Problem.

1724
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:56,559
Speaker 2: So somebody called in a tip line and let the

1725
01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:59,360
Speaker 2: authorities know in Hawaii that Randall had a brother who

1726
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:02,080
Speaker 2: live in stock in California, and that's how they knew

1727
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:04,479
Speaker 2: to alert the San Jaquin Sherifshon markt.

1728
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:06,600
Speaker 1: Hey you put out this, say maybe.

1729
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:09,599
Speaker 2: B make sure, and that's how that news all got

1730
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:10,679
Speaker 2: distributed correctly.

1731
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:14,160
Speaker 1: Can you quick sidebar yep, quick phil time. Can you

1732
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:17,519
Speaker 1: imagine being that brother, Oh, being in Stockton with your

1733
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:19,760
Speaker 1: family and friends. You haven't seen your fucking brother in

1734
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:23,800
Speaker 1: forty years. You're not crazy, butter brother that murdered someone

1735
01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 1: knocking the god indoor? Yeah, look through the people. Uh

1736
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:33,000
Speaker 1: oh yeah, uh oh on Hawaii five uh oh sorry,

1737
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:34,920
Speaker 1: that was no, that was the best thing I've ever

1738
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:38,440
Speaker 1: heard of my fucking life. That was gorgeous.

1739
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:44,280
Speaker 2: I Okay, So altogether they Randall had been on the

1740
01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:47,080
Speaker 2: run for four days, okay, that whole span of time.

1741
01:26:48,479 --> 01:26:50,839
Speaker 2: But he had been trying to leave that psychiatric hospital

1742
01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:54,599
Speaker 2: for a while. So in nineteen ninety three, uh he

1743
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:58,080
Speaker 2: put in a request for conditional release saying that he

1744
01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:02,280
Speaker 2: uh and the court said, no fucking way. You are

1745
01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:06,680
Speaker 2: a sexual, sadist and a necrophile, so you have to

1746
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 2: stay in the mental hospital. Deputy Prosecutor Jeff Albert said,

1747
01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:15,640
Speaker 2: Randall Sato is very disturbed, mentally ill individual who is

1748
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:20,439
Speaker 2: very dangerous with respect to whom all the predicators indicate

1749
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:23,200
Speaker 2: that if he were to be released, he would kill again.

1750
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:26,600
Speaker 1: Oh dear. Then in two thousand.

1751
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 2: He gets his defense attorneys to once again argue for

1752
01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:35,280
Speaker 2: his release, and again that same prosecutor Jeff Albert says

1753
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:38,400
Speaker 2: he fills the criteria of a classic serial killer.

1754
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:42,519
Speaker 3: Basically, he's not getting out, but a.

1755
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:46,120
Speaker 1: Lot of people that worked there and the people that

1756
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:49,800
Speaker 1: the doctors that you know, analyzed him or whatever the

1757
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:52,599
Speaker 1: word is said. He was also very personal and had

1758
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:56,040
Speaker 1: very good social skills because he's a psychopath, he's a

1759
01:27:56,080 --> 01:27:59,080
Speaker 1: master manipulator. Use that as a yeah, but it's like

1760
01:27:59,320 --> 01:27:59,720
Speaker 1: yeah and.

1761
01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:03,120
Speaker 2: Right it is I think for them it is a yeah,

1762
01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:05,559
Speaker 2: and but I was using it as a segue, so

1763
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 2: I was trying to make it.

1764
01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:07,600
Speaker 1: I was trying to turn it that.

1765
01:28:08,439 --> 01:28:11,920
Speaker 2: Basically, since he's been in this mental hospital, he has

1766
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:17,160
Speaker 2: had six significant relationships. Three have been with staff members

1767
01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:22,040
Speaker 2: of this hospital. What yeah, and to the point where

1768
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:25,639
Speaker 2: then a hospital administrator found out that Randall had been

1769
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:29,599
Speaker 2: being escorted home for weekend conjugal visits for two full

1770
01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:31,640
Speaker 2: years with nobody.

1771
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:33,759
Speaker 1: On that like hut or whatever.

1772
01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:39,240
Speaker 2: Yes, he had two wives outside of the hospital that

1773
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:42,439
Speaker 2: he would He basically tricked people into letting him go

1774
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:47,639
Speaker 2: home and like fuck his wife, two different wives.

1775
01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:50,439
Speaker 1: I don't know. They ended up.

1776
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:55,919
Speaker 2: Blocking the visits for all patients two years later, exactly.

1777
01:28:56,479 --> 01:28:58,799
Speaker 2: Nobody now there. He's like, you know what, now nobody

1778
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:02,320
Speaker 2: can leave the facility. Now nobody gets to it's not

1779
01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:05,840
Speaker 2: there have conjugal visits here or off. But if you

1780
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:07,840
Speaker 2: think about it, if you've been committed to a mental

1781
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:11,680
Speaker 2: hospital because you fucking stabbed and shot a woman.

1782
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:13,880
Speaker 1: For him, Yeah, but everyone else is like, all I

1783
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:16,559
Speaker 1: did was go crazy one night and like break stuff.

1784
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:17,400
Speaker 1: Oh that's true.

1785
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:19,360
Speaker 2: Well, I mean yeah, that's case by case, yeah, but

1786
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:22,599
Speaker 2: in general, they're basically saying, when you are dealing with

1787
01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:25,439
Speaker 2: like people like this, this can't even be an option

1788
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:27,679
Speaker 2: on the table, no, because you're should beat.

1789
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:30,120
Speaker 1: Up jail with treatment exactly.

1790
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:32,519
Speaker 2: But he has been there for a long time, so

1791
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:35,400
Speaker 2: he's like, you know, the mind is going the mind

1792
01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:40,760
Speaker 2: of a psychopath is going always so, and actually those

1793
01:29:40,840 --> 01:29:43,679
Speaker 2: dalliances were impetus for a rule change. In two thousand

1794
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:48,080
Speaker 2: and three, the state Attorney General's office decided mental patients

1795
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:51,320
Speaker 2: committed to Hawaii State Hospital have no legal right to

1796
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:54,120
Speaker 2: conjugal visits. So that actually went to the state level

1797
01:29:54,479 --> 01:29:55,200
Speaker 2: because of him.

1798
01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:57,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it was that bad and he got so

1799
01:29:57,400 --> 01:29:58,360
Speaker 1: horny he broke out.

1800
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:02,439
Speaker 2: It's like, someone get me a backpack. I got to

1801
01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:04,559
Speaker 2: get to San Jose. I gotta fuck So.

1802
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:12,360
Speaker 1: In twenty fifteen, Honolulu Prosecutor Wayne Tashima argued against him

1803
01:30:12,520 --> 01:30:16,559
Speaker 1: receiving passes to leaving the hospital grounds without an escort.

1804
01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:19,920
Speaker 1: So again he was asking, He's like, guys, real quick,

1805
01:30:20,160 --> 01:30:21,760
Speaker 1: it's just me, and I need said know.

1806
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:24,840
Speaker 2: Ifar it's just me the murderer, can I just take

1807
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:26,040
Speaker 2: a walk around the ground.

1808
01:30:26,120 --> 01:30:26,360
Speaker 1: Click.

1809
01:30:26,680 --> 01:30:30,640
Speaker 2: And in this these articles they're also interviewing the neighbors

1810
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:33,880
Speaker 2: that live near this hospital, where they're like, yeah, we

1811
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:35,000
Speaker 2: didn't know they were.

1812
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:37,559
Speaker 3: Allowed to leave. We didn't know any of this was happening.

1813
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:39,519
Speaker 1: It's super crazy.

1814
01:30:40,200 --> 01:30:46,320
Speaker 2: So anyway, the judge, so you know how he was

1815
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:51,080
Speaker 2: acquitted on account of mental insanity. The circuit court judge

1816
01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:55,920
Speaker 2: who deemed him mentally unfit to stand trial and committed

1817
01:30:56,000 --> 01:31:04,759
Speaker 2: him to the hospital. Is a controversial figure. He said

1818
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:07,280
Speaker 2: that because after he shot.

1819
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:09,000
Speaker 3: Her and then went to check on her and.

1820
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:13,080
Speaker 2: Asked if she was okay, that to him meant he

1821
01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:18,200
Speaker 2: was insane, and so he was not he could not

1822
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:22,240
Speaker 2: stand trial. Oh all, just based on the whole thing

1823
01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:23,599
Speaker 2: was based on simply that.

1824
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:25,880
Speaker 1: And this is what he said. If you look at

1825
01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:26,680
Speaker 1: the evidence that was.

1826
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:30,200
Speaker 2: Presented, she did not move, she was bleeding profusely, her

1827
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:32,880
Speaker 2: face was down. She did not move or answer him

1828
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:35,040
Speaker 2: at that point. And for him to think that she

1829
01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:37,000
Speaker 2: would identify him and therefore he had to kill her,

1830
01:31:37,080 --> 01:31:38,360
Speaker 2: that becomes irrational.

1831
01:31:38,439 --> 01:31:42,320
Speaker 3: Also in my mind, this same year.

1832
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:48,120
Speaker 2: That he had that ruling, he overturned a Jerry verdict

1833
01:31:48,120 --> 01:31:52,719
Speaker 2: that found high profile Honolulu crime boss Charlie Stevens guilty

1834
01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:53,679
Speaker 2: of a double murder.

1835
01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:57,400
Speaker 1: Stevens admitted to the murder and the jury was like, yep,

1836
01:31:57,800 --> 01:31:59,280
Speaker 1: Jerry was like, he is guilty.

1837
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:02,800
Speaker 2: This guy comes in and it's like overturned, don't ever

1838
01:32:02,920 --> 01:32:03,240
Speaker 2: do that.

1839
01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:04,360
Speaker 3: He's gonna walk away.

1840
01:32:04,520 --> 01:32:09,639
Speaker 1: Judges. He said there wasn't enough evidence. There wasn't enough evidence,

1841
01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:17,040
Speaker 1: and the guilty party confessed. Yeah, So anyway, they basically matic.

1842
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:20,800
Speaker 2: After that happened, protests happened at the state capitol, and

1843
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:26,080
Speaker 2: everyone was calling for his firing and an investigation, because clearly,

1844
01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:27,800
Speaker 2: if there's something going on, are you on the take

1845
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:28,719
Speaker 2: all the cases?

1846
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:29,040
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1847
01:32:29,240 --> 01:32:32,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, but especially with things like that where he's basically

1848
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:35,919
Speaker 2: kind of and I mean, obviously this is super technical,

1849
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:39,799
Speaker 2: but the idea that a judge is like, I've decided you're.

1850
01:32:39,640 --> 01:32:41,120
Speaker 1: Too crazy to go to jail.

1851
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:43,720
Speaker 2: You can go over here, but you don't have to

1852
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:47,560
Speaker 2: go to jail for this murder because.

1853
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:49,960
Speaker 1: I've just I think that seems crazy, Yeah, because this

1854
01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:53,519
Speaker 1: one thing you did in my mind, and like, you're

1855
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:56,880
Speaker 1: not a fucking crazy person, so you're judging this based

1856
01:32:56,920 --> 01:32:58,120
Speaker 1: on your own fucking.

1857
01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:04,520
Speaker 2: You know, just like your taste. Yeah, that seems crazy. Crazy,

1858
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:09,120
Speaker 2: that's crazy. Don't go to jail, okay.

1859
01:33:10,360 --> 01:33:10,519
Speaker 1: Oh.

1860
01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:15,679
Speaker 2: Also on October sixth, nineteen eighty one, that same judge

1861
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:18,360
Speaker 2: was arrestler for drunk driving, and he was found later

1862
01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:24,520
Speaker 2: at his family's mochal Laya beach house with multiple injuries,

1863
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:28,479
Speaker 2: including a broken collarbone. He said that he passed out

1864
01:33:28,520 --> 01:33:32,280
Speaker 2: as he was beaten, but the investigators think.

1865
01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:33,440
Speaker 3: That he tried to hang himself.

1866
01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:34,920
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

1867
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:40,719
Speaker 2: So that's my super sloppy but kind of amazing, still

1868
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:44,360
Speaker 2: breaking story. That's amazing, where every article I read had

1869
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:45,440
Speaker 2: a little more information.

1870
01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:50,040
Speaker 1: So he's in custody now and they've extradited him back

1871
01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:53,799
Speaker 1: to Hawaii. He didn't kill anyone else he was out there, Nope,

1872
01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:56,599
Speaker 1: he did he go to his brother's house. Did they

1873
01:33:56,600 --> 01:33:59,280
Speaker 1: have things? He didn't. He didn't make it. Okay, he

1874
01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:00,240
Speaker 1: didn't get any so.

1875
01:34:00,479 --> 01:34:05,000
Speaker 2: Okay, he basically took two plane rides, well three on

1876
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:07,599
Speaker 2: the way back, and a couple cab rides.

1877
01:34:07,760 --> 01:34:09,760
Speaker 1: And we don't know who gave him the backpack yet.

1878
01:34:09,880 --> 01:34:12,799
Speaker 1: That's the thing. Is it his girlfriend in the hospital?

1879
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:15,040
Speaker 1: Is it the girlfriend that he was visiting on his

1880
01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:15,519
Speaker 1: day path?

1881
01:34:15,640 --> 01:34:17,000
Speaker 3: It's her outside of the hospital.

1882
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:19,360
Speaker 1: Sorry, honey, it's you. But there could be somebody on

1883
01:34:19,400 --> 01:34:21,479
Speaker 1: the inside, because that's who wants. But how do you

1884
01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:23,439
Speaker 1: leave a thing with her on the inside? Oh, you

1885
01:34:23,479 --> 01:34:24,240
Speaker 1: mean like one of the.

1886
01:34:24,840 --> 01:34:27,719
Speaker 2: She's like, oh, leave it by this awesome coconut tree

1887
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:29,479
Speaker 2: as you walk out of the front.

1888
01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:32,120
Speaker 1: Oh, so it could have been on the ground because also,

1889
01:34:32,200 --> 01:34:35,640
Speaker 1: how does he just walk off the grounds, like just

1890
01:34:35,640 --> 01:34:37,439
Speaker 1: just walk off. Yeah, you'd hope it'd be more secure

1891
01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:37,800
Speaker 1: than that.

1892
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:40,479
Speaker 2: And go to the park if he's if he is

1893
01:34:40,520 --> 01:34:45,519
Speaker 2: a criminal where the deputy district attorney is like, this

1894
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:48,559
Speaker 2: man is has all the makings of a SERIALI.

1895
01:34:48,280 --> 01:34:50,720
Speaker 1: Like think of You're like, I've watched this dude for

1896
01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:53,519
Speaker 1: forty fucking years. He's never tried to escape. It's like,

1897
01:34:53,960 --> 01:34:55,680
Speaker 1: you don't even worry if he wants to go look

1898
01:34:55,720 --> 01:34:59,000
Speaker 1: at the fucking yeah on the whatever the fuck.

1899
01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:01,160
Speaker 2: And he's a psychopath, so he's going to be able

1900
01:35:01,160 --> 01:35:02,519
Speaker 2: to tell you exactly what you.

1901
01:35:02,479 --> 01:35:04,400
Speaker 3: Want to hear to make you trust him.

1902
01:35:04,479 --> 01:35:07,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, and get and maybe get you get him a

1903
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:10,720
Speaker 2: backpack filled with cash and fake ideas, right, because he

1904
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:12,160
Speaker 2: had to have a fake ID to get onto that

1905
01:35:12,160 --> 01:35:16,160
Speaker 2: Hawaiian air flight, So somebody was doing somebody was breaking

1906
01:35:16,200 --> 01:35:17,040
Speaker 2: the law for him.

1907
01:35:17,080 --> 01:35:20,040
Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, well that motherfucker's going to jay ye.

1908
01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:22,439
Speaker 2: But then the thing that kind of drives me crazy,

1909
01:35:22,479 --> 01:35:25,120
Speaker 2: I really wanted to know more about that murder because

1910
01:35:25,240 --> 01:35:28,599
Speaker 2: also it's so insane and extreme.

1911
01:35:29,160 --> 01:35:33,080
Speaker 1: It seems like other there's because there's not. The thing

1912
01:35:33,080 --> 01:35:36,800
Speaker 1: about that is is there's nothing sexually sadist about that

1913
01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:40,360
Speaker 1: murder from what you've told me no or never feeling right,

1914
01:35:40,640 --> 01:35:42,840
Speaker 1: So there's there's more shit going on.

1915
01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:45,439
Speaker 2: It's it's like they have taken this story and they've

1916
01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:50,880
Speaker 2: it kept saying police records, hospital records, and then interview things.

1917
01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:53,360
Speaker 2: So it's like this story is kind of like piecing

1918
01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:54,440
Speaker 2: itself together.

1919
01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:56,360
Speaker 1: Like there's ways it goes. There's way more going on.

1920
01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:57,040
Speaker 3: There's way more.

1921
01:35:57,080 --> 01:36:01,960
Speaker 2: And I wonder like when I was when I was googling,

1922
01:36:01,960 --> 01:36:05,519
Speaker 2: because I really was just trying to look up Sandra

1923
01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:13,000
Speaker 2: Sandra Yamashiro's murder in nineteen seventy seven, and you can

1924
01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:15,680
Speaker 2: only find it within these articles by him.

1925
01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:21,479
Speaker 1: Or they're like the original the original news report that

1926
01:36:21,640 --> 01:36:22,280
Speaker 1: someone made.

1927
01:36:22,520 --> 01:36:25,479
Speaker 2: Yes, I was trying to do that quotes around the name,

1928
01:36:25,880 --> 01:36:28,280
Speaker 2: all those search things that you try to do, and

1929
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:32,280
Speaker 2: nothing came up about her specifically, which drives me crazy.

1930
01:36:32,280 --> 01:36:34,439
Speaker 2: But I guess also because it's so long ago that

1931
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:39,040
Speaker 2: maybe those like that microfiche has been thrown away. But anyway,

1932
01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:41,760
Speaker 2: hopefully more stuff will come out about that, because it

1933
01:36:41,800 --> 01:36:45,200
Speaker 2: seems like that guy's done way more stuff than obviously

1934
01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:47,640
Speaker 2: he's been prosecuted for.

1935
01:36:48,160 --> 01:36:54,439
Speaker 1: That's fucking awesome. I can't wait to hear more yeah,

1936
01:36:54,479 --> 01:36:57,439
Speaker 1: and we're back to heavy hitters this week. Karen, Do

1937
01:36:57,479 --> 01:36:59,880
Speaker 1: you have any updates? I do have a couples.

1938
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:04,320
Speaker 2: So after escaping, Randall served five years at the Hilaua

1939
01:37:04,439 --> 01:37:07,400
Speaker 2: Correctional Facility before he was transferred back to the Hawaii

1940
01:37:07,439 --> 01:37:11,080
Speaker 2: State Psychiatric Hospital. When he was charged, he pled guilty

1941
01:37:11,120 --> 01:37:13,160
Speaker 2: to the escape charge, but he said he had no

1942
01:37:13,200 --> 01:37:15,840
Speaker 2: other option but to flee. He said he escaped to

1943
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:20,320
Speaker 2: prove that he could exist in the community without harming anyone, saying, quote,

1944
01:37:20,320 --> 01:37:22,640
Speaker 2: this is about buying myself time in the community to

1945
01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:25,200
Speaker 2: prove that I could be in the community without.

1946
01:37:24,880 --> 01:37:25,840
Speaker 3: Doing anything wrong.

1947
01:37:25,960 --> 01:37:26,280
Speaker 1: Wow.

1948
01:37:26,360 --> 01:37:26,880
Speaker 3: End quote.

1949
01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:29,920
Speaker 2: A new building for the hospital was unveiled in twenty

1950
01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:33,320
Speaker 2: twenty one, including more cameras and fewer blind spots and

1951
01:37:33,360 --> 01:37:38,479
Speaker 2: exits points, and after Sato escaped, six hospital employees were

1952
01:37:38,520 --> 01:37:41,559
Speaker 2: placed on off duty status and no employees were formally

1953
01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:43,559
Speaker 2: disciplined anywhere beyond that.

1954
01:37:43,680 --> 01:37:44,160
Speaker 3: Wow.

1955
01:37:44,280 --> 01:37:48,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that story's wild, and I remember like discovering it

1956
01:37:48,280 --> 01:37:51,360
Speaker 2: and getting interested in it, and it feels like fifty

1957
01:37:51,479 --> 01:37:54,600
Speaker 2: years ago. It's such a strange, like this part of

1958
01:37:54,640 --> 01:37:57,280
Speaker 2: this experience is so funny, where it's like, oh, yeah,

1959
01:37:57,320 --> 01:38:00,559
Speaker 2: we've done so many of these stories, and each one

1960
01:38:00,640 --> 01:38:04,680
Speaker 2: was like exciting and interesting and like a full you know,

1961
01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:08,240
Speaker 2: a full dive into a whole world. It's it's kind

1962
01:38:08,280 --> 01:38:10,320
Speaker 2: of almost like heavy to think about.

1963
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:12,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, once we got past like the first twenty where

1964
01:38:12,920 --> 01:38:14,800
Speaker 1: like we could pick them off the top of our heads,

1965
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:16,760
Speaker 1: the stories we wanted to cover that we've always been

1966
01:38:16,760 --> 01:38:19,439
Speaker 1: interested in had to start like doing some digging and

1967
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:23,880
Speaker 1: some googling to research the story, real research. Yeah, and

1968
01:38:23,920 --> 01:38:26,879
Speaker 1: like stories we had never heard of. It became a job,

1969
01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:28,519
Speaker 1: but it also got really interesting.

1970
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:31,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like we could be directional about what

1971
01:38:31,560 --> 01:38:33,320
Speaker 2: we wanted to be talking about and why.

1972
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:35,280
Speaker 1: It's totally cool.

1973
01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:39,080
Speaker 2: It's like watching ourselves get a little agency as we're

1974
01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:41,360
Speaker 2: writing this insane canoe.

1975
01:38:41,880 --> 01:38:45,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, like we can actually not a canoe, Karen, We're

1976
01:38:45,160 --> 01:38:47,599
Speaker 1: not on a goddamn canoe, are you fucking kidding?

1977
01:38:48,160 --> 01:38:50,360
Speaker 2: It's kind of crazy, like a canoe where sometimes the

1978
01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:52,200
Speaker 2: weight's off and it gets all shaky.

1979
01:38:51,880 --> 01:38:54,719
Speaker 1: And you're like, what the fuck is all those canoes

1980
01:38:54,760 --> 01:38:55,880
Speaker 1: you write in all the time.

1981
01:38:56,080 --> 01:38:57,400
Speaker 2: You know, every once in a while when the white

1982
01:38:57,400 --> 01:39:01,080
Speaker 2: waters come up in the canoe, screw up to paddle

1983
01:39:01,120 --> 01:39:02,280
Speaker 2: a very specific way.

1984
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:06,760
Speaker 1: All right, let's head back into good Things of the

1985
01:39:06,800 --> 01:39:12,280
Speaker 1: week from fucking twenty seventeen of all places. Oh oh no,

1986
01:39:13,840 --> 01:39:18,760
Speaker 1: that was great, thanks Georgia. Yeah, Karen, I mean, look

1987
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:22,000
Speaker 1: at your mom nail polish.

1988
01:39:22,560 --> 01:39:26,120
Speaker 2: You know what's insane? What Laura can attest to this

1989
01:39:26,160 --> 01:39:28,120
Speaker 2: week of call her right now. I bought this nail

1990
01:39:28,120 --> 01:39:31,400
Speaker 2: polish last night, and I go, isn't this the best color?

1991
01:39:31,439 --> 01:39:33,439
Speaker 2: And she goes, that's the color mom used to wear.

1992
01:39:33,960 --> 01:39:35,439
Speaker 3: Oh god, I swear to God.

1993
01:39:35,640 --> 01:39:37,240
Speaker 1: Oh, I swear to.

1994
01:39:37,200 --> 01:39:40,639
Speaker 3: God, Mom it is. It's like a brownish mom.

1995
01:39:40,920 --> 01:39:46,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it. It's very nineteen eighty two. Um, well, goodbye. No,

1996
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:50,240
Speaker 1: and then one thing that makes you happy, you do

1997
01:39:50,320 --> 01:39:54,479
Speaker 1: it first. I've been talking for so long. Um, I

1998
01:39:54,479 --> 01:39:58,200
Speaker 1: had a couple, but I think very simply, my favorite

1999
01:39:58,240 --> 01:40:00,120
Speaker 1: thing is that you have found gifts.

2000
01:40:01,439 --> 01:40:05,519
Speaker 2: Oh, gifts, yeah, say gifts for gifts.

2001
01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:05,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2002
01:40:05,840 --> 01:40:09,360
Speaker 1: If I don't think anyone knew what I was saying though, gifts, Yeah,

2003
01:40:09,439 --> 01:40:12,280
Speaker 1: I thought you meant gifts. No gifts.

2004
01:40:12,760 --> 01:40:14,080
Speaker 3: I love gifts so much.

2005
01:40:14,320 --> 01:40:17,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I and you didn't do them until like

2006
01:40:17,960 --> 01:40:18,960
Speaker 1: the past two months.

2007
01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:23,080
Speaker 2: I think you know why why I didn't understand. I

2008
01:40:23,120 --> 01:40:25,000
Speaker 2: didn't understand that you had to get the app.

2009
01:40:25,479 --> 01:40:27,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, giffy g A p h y.

2010
01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:30,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, you just get that and it's already on your texting.

2011
01:40:30,120 --> 01:40:34,479
Speaker 1: It's now for you. Nothing. There's no better response than

2012
01:40:34,520 --> 01:40:41,800
Speaker 1: a response in gift. Yes, it's just perfect. It's very specific.

2013
01:40:41,960 --> 01:40:45,840
Speaker 1: Fucking need any fucking thing you like, any fucking face

2014
01:40:45,880 --> 01:40:49,160
Speaker 1: you're trying to make. Yep, it's so stupid and funny

2015
01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:52,000
Speaker 1: in gift form and you the fact that you now

2016
01:40:52,160 --> 01:40:55,599
Speaker 1: like do it to me makes me so happy because

2017
01:40:55,600 --> 01:40:58,479
Speaker 1: it's like, it's really funny because you did it to

2018
01:40:58,560 --> 01:40:59,320
Speaker 1: me forever and.

2019
01:40:59,280 --> 01:41:01,160
Speaker 2: It would make me laugh so hard and I wanted

2020
01:41:01,200 --> 01:41:03,120
Speaker 2: to do it back, but I would be trying to

2021
01:41:03,120 --> 01:41:05,839
Speaker 2: do it. I would be going on to like Google

2022
01:41:06,080 --> 01:41:09,400
Speaker 2: and then look putting the word gift into fucking search bar.

2023
01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:12,479
Speaker 2: Like the old woman that I am. It was making

2024
01:41:12,479 --> 01:41:15,120
Speaker 2: me insane. Stephen, Did I ask you about it? Is

2025
01:41:15,120 --> 01:41:16,920
Speaker 2: that how I ended up getting that app?

2026
01:41:17,240 --> 01:41:17,320
Speaker 1: No?

2027
01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:18,720
Speaker 4: I think you've found it on your own?

2028
01:41:18,760 --> 01:41:21,160
Speaker 1: Did I do it? Oh my god? Well, then that's

2029
01:41:21,200 --> 01:41:23,080
Speaker 1: my favorite thing for this week, is that I did

2030
01:41:23,080 --> 01:41:24,400
Speaker 1: it on my own. Who was a big girl?

2031
01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:26,360
Speaker 2: No, you know what my favorite thing is and this

2032
01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:29,479
Speaker 2: could be I'll go even simpler than your gifts, because

2033
01:41:29,520 --> 01:41:31,439
Speaker 2: the one I sent to you tonight, oh yeah, is

2034
01:41:31,479 --> 01:41:32,519
Speaker 2: stolen from Steven.

2035
01:41:33,280 --> 01:41:34,560
Speaker 1: It's my favorite.

2036
01:41:34,200 --> 01:41:37,080
Speaker 2: Gift of all time, and it applies to any situation.

2037
01:41:37,560 --> 01:41:40,640
Speaker 1: It's with Kardashian peeking around a bush. Yeah, and it

2038
01:41:40,760 --> 01:41:42,000
Speaker 1: is so fucking funny.

2039
01:41:42,040 --> 01:41:44,240
Speaker 2: And the first time Steved sent it to me, I

2040
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:46,559
Speaker 2: of course sent Stephen some text.

2041
01:41:46,400 --> 01:41:49,000
Speaker 1: That was like, no, Stephen, go fuck yourself.

2042
01:41:48,720 --> 01:41:53,080
Speaker 2: Or some some obnoxiously jokey mean thing, and then the

2043
01:41:53,240 --> 01:41:56,960
Speaker 2: response was Kim Kardashian peeking around a bushy?

2044
01:41:57,000 --> 01:42:00,680
Speaker 1: What do you put into that? Kim Kardashian bush God, No,

2045
01:42:01,080 --> 01:42:02,400
Speaker 1: don't do that. No, don't do that.

2046
01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:08,120
Speaker 4: I think it's sneaky or sneak. I want to see

2047
01:42:08,120 --> 01:42:09,160
Speaker 4: that episode where it's from.

2048
01:42:09,360 --> 01:42:10,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't care.

2049
01:42:10,280 --> 01:42:13,400
Speaker 2: I think I've seen that episode because they made Chloe

2050
01:42:13,479 --> 01:42:14,200
Speaker 2: go on a date.

2051
01:42:14,080 --> 01:42:16,160
Speaker 1: And then they all watched her from behind a book.

2052
01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:20,080
Speaker 2: She was on like a weird, uncomfortable blind date and

2053
01:42:20,160 --> 01:42:25,000
Speaker 2: she didn't want to go, and Chloe and Kim no

2054
01:42:25,080 --> 01:42:26,600
Speaker 2: sorry wait.

2055
01:42:26,680 --> 01:42:34,080
Speaker 1: Kim and Katrina, Kim and Maureen my favorite one, right

2056
01:42:34,320 --> 01:42:36,360
Speaker 1: made her do it and then spied on her and

2057
01:42:36,439 --> 01:42:38,439
Speaker 1: laughed at her. Where it's like, that's one of the

2058
01:42:38,439 --> 01:42:39,519
Speaker 1: first episodes I ever.

2059
01:42:39,400 --> 01:42:41,519
Speaker 2: Saw where I was like, but you made her do it,

2060
01:42:41,800 --> 01:42:43,960
Speaker 2: So this isn't like you're not like, it's only funny

2061
01:42:44,000 --> 01:42:46,080
Speaker 2: if she wanted to do it, if it was her idea,

2062
01:42:46,520 --> 01:42:48,960
Speaker 2: but it was your idea, so you can't make fun

2063
01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:49,240
Speaker 2: of her.

2064
01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:52,160
Speaker 1: So we hate the Kardashians and what they stand for,

2065
01:42:52,280 --> 01:42:55,120
Speaker 1: but we love the gifts they make. Here's the thing.

2066
01:42:55,320 --> 01:42:56,559
Speaker 1: The gifts are their gifts.

2067
01:42:57,080 --> 01:43:01,920
Speaker 2: Whatever the Kardashians thing is, you can't deny it and

2068
01:43:01,960 --> 01:43:04,840
Speaker 2: you can't fight it. Because one time I went and

2069
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:08,000
Speaker 2: laid down on my couch and turned on E accidentally,

2070
01:43:08,840 --> 01:43:11,760
Speaker 2: nothing I would do intentionally, and there was a Kardashian

2071
01:43:11,800 --> 01:43:15,160
Speaker 2: marathon on and I watched every fucking episode for like

2072
01:43:15,479 --> 01:43:16,719
Speaker 2: hours and hours.

2073
01:43:16,840 --> 01:43:21,120
Speaker 1: It's amen. I watched every episode of fucking Nick Lachey

2074
01:43:21,160 --> 01:43:22,400
Speaker 1: and Jessica Simpsons show.

2075
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:25,559
Speaker 2: Oh that thing was, and I Lily so much. That

2076
01:43:25,720 --> 01:43:28,920
Speaker 2: was brilliantly. I know some of the people that worked

2077
01:43:28,960 --> 01:43:30,080
Speaker 2: on that, they were like comics.

2078
01:43:30,240 --> 01:43:33,479
Speaker 1: What about Ashley Simpson's show? That was amazing. I'm not

2079
01:43:33,600 --> 01:43:37,240
Speaker 1: interested in Ashley Simpson. Well what about fucking six years ago?

2080
01:43:37,400 --> 01:43:41,799
Speaker 1: Were you yes? Yes, when she was married to Pete

2081
01:43:41,880 --> 01:43:44,240
Speaker 1: Wentz no Is. But way before that, I was like

2082
01:43:44,280 --> 01:43:46,920
Speaker 1: when she was like, I'm this famous person's little sister,

2083
01:43:47,040 --> 01:43:49,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it on my own, you know, she's

2084
01:43:49,360 --> 01:43:55,440
Speaker 1: like Ie Linernyelner, Oh my god, I'm fake punk. Yeah,

2085
01:43:55,479 --> 01:43:56,720
Speaker 1: that's so good.

2086
01:43:58,200 --> 01:44:02,920
Speaker 2: But that the original Jessica Simpson is like with some

2087
01:44:03,240 --> 01:44:05,240
Speaker 2: fucking gorgeous television.

2088
01:44:05,280 --> 01:44:10,000
Speaker 1: Huh huh so good. Bad honey, guys, look and listen,

2089
01:44:10,200 --> 01:44:17,679
Speaker 1: we've done it again, and fucking look, okay, we're back.

2090
01:44:18,280 --> 01:44:21,840
Speaker 2: So as we said, this episode was originally entitled The Hague.

2091
01:44:22,439 --> 01:44:23,679
Speaker 3: Just one of the all time grades.

2092
01:44:24,160 --> 01:44:26,040
Speaker 1: Why do you like it so much? Can I ask? Uh?

2093
01:44:26,200 --> 01:44:28,519
Speaker 2: I think because we get we got into a little

2094
01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:30,439
Speaker 2: system of how we were doing it, like it had

2095
01:44:30,439 --> 01:44:33,040
Speaker 2: its own voice, and then this this is just this

2096
01:44:33,160 --> 01:44:38,760
Speaker 2: insane like almost like we're being diplomatic or political. You

2097
01:44:38,800 --> 01:44:41,599
Speaker 2: could I couldn't tell you what happened in the Hague.

2098
01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:44,840
Speaker 2: If I had the full Internet and a half an hour,

2099
01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:47,920
Speaker 2: I would still come back with kind of not really knowing.

2100
01:44:48,640 --> 01:44:51,360
Speaker 1: If we were naming it today something I understood, maybe

2101
01:44:51,400 --> 01:44:56,000
Speaker 1: we would call it Goonies Raise the Bar, which is good.

2102
01:44:56,600 --> 01:45:01,200
Speaker 3: Also, you have to be brave, just get up there

2103
01:45:01,200 --> 01:45:01,640
Speaker 3: and stop it.

2104
01:45:01,760 --> 01:45:05,439
Speaker 1: Jet blue red Dawn situation. I think I like that one.

2105
01:45:05,800 --> 01:45:10,120
Speaker 3: That's good. Or gifts are their gifts about the Komardashians.

2106
01:45:10,240 --> 01:45:12,000
Speaker 1: It was right there, It was right there.

2107
01:45:12,040 --> 01:45:12,559
Speaker 3: That's a good one.

2108
01:45:12,600 --> 01:45:15,000
Speaker 1: All right, Well, thanks for listening. Let's say goodbye from

2109
01:45:15,080 --> 01:45:19,000
Speaker 1: the newly cleaned pod loft back in twenty seventeen.

2110
01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:26,320
Speaker 2: You know, if you've ever tuned in to us because

2111
01:45:26,360 --> 01:45:30,400
Speaker 2: you were trying to waste time or just distract yourself,

2112
01:45:30,680 --> 01:45:32,479
Speaker 2: I'd be like, this is the episode for you.

2113
01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:33,920
Speaker 1: Congratu fucking relations.

2114
01:45:34,200 --> 01:45:35,680
Speaker 3: I hope we took you to a different plan.

2115
01:45:35,920 --> 01:45:41,439
Speaker 1: Listen. This was absolute madness. All hail Marietta, Jaeger, Yes,

2116
01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:45,479
Speaker 1: and fucking live your life, do shit, get try just

2117
01:45:46,320 --> 01:45:50,000
Speaker 1: we're all just Marietta. Try to do it Marietta style, like,

2118
01:45:50,120 --> 01:45:54,720
Speaker 1: don't do what we do, get monsters, Jesus nice. No

2119
01:45:55,080 --> 01:46:00,920
Speaker 1: one's trying to do what we do and stay sexy

2120
01:46:01,120 --> 01:46:07,800
Speaker 1: and don't get murdered. Please bye. Elmus Oh Donnie hi

2121
01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:11,160
Speaker 1: oh that was cute.