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Speaker 1: All right, Amanda, what a Thanksgiving we had. My family

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Speaker 1: how was your Thanksgiving and What's on your headlines tonight?

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Speaker 3: It was great.

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Speaker 4: I'm still a little sleepy from all the eating, and

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Speaker 4: as soon as we get done with the show, I'm going.

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Speaker 3: To go and eat some more leftovers.

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Speaker 4: But tonight, for this hour, we're going to be speaking

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Speaker 4: about something that is very, very important to our country,

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Speaker 4: higher education, and what we can do to save it

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Speaker 4: and stop the indoctrination of America's kids into hating their

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Speaker 4: own country, which unfortunately most of these universities have really

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Speaker 4: become factories for doing that. But before we get into

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Speaker 4: all of that, I want to talk a little bit

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Speaker 4: about K through twelve as well, because in those grades,

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Speaker 4: America really isn't a beacon either. In fact, we are

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Speaker 4: severely lagging behind other developed countries in a number of

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Speaker 4: those curriculum areas. And I don't think that I need

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Speaker 4: to tell anyone in this country that a lot of

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Speaker 4: our public schools are not serving our students well. And

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Speaker 4: President Trump agrees, hear what he said, he wants to

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Speaker 5: And one other thing I'll be doing very early in

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Speaker 5: the administration is closing up the Department of Education in Washington,

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Speaker 5: DC and sending all education and education work and needs

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Speaker 5: back to the States. We want them to run the

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Speaker 5: education of our children because they'll do a much better

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Speaker 5: job of it. You can't do worse. We spend more

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Speaker 5: money per pupil by three times than any other nation,

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Speaker 5: and yet we're absolutely at the bottom. We're one of

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Speaker 5: the worst. So he can't do worse. We're going to

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Speaker 5: end education coming out of Washington.

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Speaker 5: We're going to close it up, all those buildings all

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Speaker 5: over the place, and you have people that in many

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Speaker 5: cases hate our children. We're going to send it all

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Speaker 3: He's right.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we really are scraping the bottom of the

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Speaker 4: proverbial burial barrel. And it doesn't seem like the Department

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Speaker 4: established under President Jimmy Carter's administration. And it seems that

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Speaker 4: one half of DOGE agrees with Akromaswami. And he's been

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Speaker 4: for a few years now. Here he was while he

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Speaker 4: was still a presidential candidate, explaining why it is a

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Speaker 7: To end it, why we ought not have a federal

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Speaker 7: Department of Education at all lends itself to abuse when

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Speaker 3: Should not exist.

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Speaker 7: And that's why I've made a commitment that I'm going

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Speaker 7: to shut down a lot of federal government agencies. But

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Speaker 7: down the Federal Department of Education because it has no

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Speaker 7: they find things to do instead. And you know what, now,

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Speaker 3: Them's fighting words in Washington. You can imagine that there are.

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Speaker 4: Many folks there who are not happy with this plan.

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Speaker 4: And here's CNN asking Democrat Congressman Rocana, and they tee

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Speaker 8: And this weekend of VIGK Ramasami said that certain agencies

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Speaker 8: project that he has now with Elon Musk. One of

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Speaker 8: the agencies that people are saying could potentially be deleted

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Speaker 8: out right is the Department of Education. What would it

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Speaker 9: Well, it's horrifying and I think it doesn't understand history.

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Speaker 9: First of all, look at the real world impact that

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Speaker 9: Title I schools that get federal funding that would be

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Speaker 9: in jeopardy. If you have a child who has autism

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry. Ro Connor represents California.

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Speaker 4: He of all people should know that public education is failing.

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Speaker 4: But would it be horrifying if we got rid of

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Speaker 3: Isn't it already horrifying? I think that you all know

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Speaker 3: where I come down on that. So John, I'm going

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Speaker 3: our first guests to have a lot of these important

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Speaker 3: conversations tonight.

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Speaker 1: You know, for more than two hundred years, the United

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Speaker 1: States didn't have an education department.

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Speaker 2: It did just fine.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I went to school fine, I was an

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Speaker 1: So I think a lot of people forget that. It's

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Speaker 1: an invention of Jimmy Carter in just the last forty years.

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Speaker 1: So well, one of the people that we turned to

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Speaker 1: every time a very important issue comes up with education,

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Speaker 1: particularly higher education, we turn to our great friend Nick Sturdono.

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Speaker 1: He is a Campus Reform Higher Education fellow and professor

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Speaker 2: At Suffolk Community College.

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Speaker 1: It's always great to him on Nick, welcome, I want

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Speaker 1: to ask, as I think you have really studied this

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Speaker 1: issue a lot, what has the Education Department in Washington

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Speaker 1: done to change the nature of learning? And why do

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Speaker 1: we seem to be falling farther behind since the Education

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Speaker 10: Well, it's because they don't focus on actual education. And

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Speaker 10: what they do is they implement these federal guidelines that

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Speaker 10: they advise schools to follow, and then they tie the

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Speaker 10: grand funding to it to make sure that the schools

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Speaker 10: do follow them. So take DEI for instance. You know

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Speaker 10: our campus reform. We've done a lot of reporting when

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Speaker 10: it comes to DEI funding coming out of the federal

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Speaker 10: government going to schools, pushing a narrative that forces victimhood

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Speaker 10: and oppressors versus a press toxic ideology that seeks to

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Speaker 10: divide Americans, and a lot of these schools run with

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Speaker 10: a whole is fundamentally false. And as you correctly stated,

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Speaker 10: it was the Office of Education probably to nineteen seventy nine,

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Speaker 10: and you're not going to see too much of an effect.

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Speaker 10: But here's the thing. The states still are in charge

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Speaker 10: of curriculums, and what we've seen in kindergarten through college

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Speaker 10: is this coddling of the student body where they don't

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Speaker 10: and it's like daycare centers from kindergarten through college. Just

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Speaker 10: look at the reaction to the presidential election where you

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Speaker 10: had the University of Oregon that was offering therapy animals

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Speaker 10: so that students could cope with the election results. George

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Speaker 10: Washington University, he was offering students milk and cookies. You know,

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Speaker 10: we're constantly saying that the students of today are the

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Speaker 10: future leaders of tomorrow. Why aren't we treating them like that?

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Speaker 10: It's really disheartening when we examine exactly what's gone wrong

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Speaker 10: and it's been a slow progression, but it's sped up

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Speaker 10: over the last several years, particularly through the Department of

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Speaker 10: Education NIXT.

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Speaker 1: Some of those students in those woke are coddles. Universities

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Speaker 1: have made it to the State Department because they're giving

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Speaker 2: We had that on with Amanda the other night.

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Speaker 1: But can you believe that the State Department giving grief

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Speaker 1: sessions over the man who's going to be the president?

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Speaker 2: They clearly went to those schools.

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Speaker 10: Well, that's why people need to pay attention because everything

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Speaker 10: that happens on college campuses ultimately bleeds out into society.

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Speaker 10: I'm a professor, but I'm also a father of two

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Speaker 10: who are going to contribute to our society, be good citizens,

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Speaker 10: good husbands, good unity members. And the schools make it

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Speaker 10: really difficult to raise people that because they don't teach

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Speaker 4: Yeah, two separate therapy sessions at the State Department. You're

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Speaker 4: supposed to serve with the pleasure of this country and anyway.

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Speaker 3: Human mind is limitless.

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Speaker 4: I truly believe that, and I believe that we are

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Speaker 3: Up any amount of information.

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Speaker 4: However, when it comes to K through twelve, there is

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Speaker 4: a limited amount of time that these teachers have with

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Speaker 4: spending time focusing on DEI and all of this garbage

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Speaker 4: the things that they should be learning, and we see

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Speaker 4: failing school systems here in California, they're in New York

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Speaker 4: where you teach it Suffolk.

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Speaker 3: When you have students come into.

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Speaker 4: Your classroom, do you feel like over the years since

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Speaker 4: you you have been teaching that their preparation for higher

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Speaker 4: education has decreased.

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Speaker 10: Absolutely. First of all, they can even pass the basic

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Speaker 10: citizenship exam. Writing standards have fallen off a cliff. Only

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Speaker 10: thirty seven percent of graduating seniors can read, write, and

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Speaker 10: do math. At the college level, thirty six percent of

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Speaker 10: college graduates actually have critical thinking skills, and it's disheartening.

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Speaker 10: And at campus form we have laid out the trajectory

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Speaker 10: of how this all started. You know, it starts with

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Speaker 10: the whole idea of speech codes and trigger warnings and

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Speaker 10: as offensive and you have to watch every little thing

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Speaker 10: you say, And then it progressed into this idea of

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Speaker 10: equitable grading systems. The everyone gets an A mentality that

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Speaker 10: we have to protect the self esteem of the student body.

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Speaker 10: And if everyone gets an A, no one will complain.

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Speaker 10: So it makes the teacher's job and the administrator's job easier.

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Speaker 10: But at the same time it's created the full sense

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Speaker 10: far more capable than they actually are. It's no longer

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Speaker 4: We are taking a closer look tonight at America's higher

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Michael. I want to start with you on

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Speaker 4: Obviously, New York City kind of felt like ground zero

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Speaker 1: Of anti semitism seems like not the right learning culture.

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Speaker 1: How much do faculty contribute to this environment of anti Israel,

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Speaker 3: Believable, Alexander.

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Speaker 1: So important my goal. I think I heard you say

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Speaker 6: Of Minutia Peek.

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Speaker 11: If they can't act as authority figures in higher education,

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Speaker 11: they need to resign.

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Speaker 6: They need to do what she did.

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Speaker 11: They need to do what the presidents of MIT did

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Speaker 11: and the president's of pended because ultimately, social justice and

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Speaker 11: social justice warriors have no plate in higher education.

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Speaker 2: I want to ask you both this.

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Speaker 1: Do you have any fellow students that you know that

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Speaker 1: are Jewish? What do they experience in this environment? How

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Speaker 1: do they get through the day, the week, the semester

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Speaker 1: with this surrounding them.

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Speaker 2: I'll start with you Alexander.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, of course, particularly within our student government recently we

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Speaker 12: have Jewish representatives and overall we've had this shut Down

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Speaker 12: Party which took over our student government in the previous

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Speaker 12: election in March, and they were propagating anti Semitic and

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Speaker 12: divisive rhetoric which culminated in increased harassment on campus towards

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Speaker 12: Jewish students especially, and there's no place for that in

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Speaker 12: our higher education system.

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Speaker 2: Right Michael. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: From a lot of my Jews friends, whether that's my

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Speaker 6: Jewish friends in New York.

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Speaker 11: City or back home from me in Arizona, it's all

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Speaker 11: about community for them. It's all about finding leaders in

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Speaker 11: your community, like the unc frapros who proudly defended the

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Speaker 11: American flag when a group and a mob a profile

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Speaker 11: Sitian protesters threatened to take it down. They're looking for

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Speaker 11: leaders like them to defend the morals and values that

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Speaker 11: not only a our country was built upon, but those

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Speaker 11: that we have been raised to appreciate and love. Is

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Speaker 11: something where for Jewish students, I can't even begin to

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Speaker 11: even understand how it must feel walking to class, walking

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Speaker 11: through the quad and having to get around a massive

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Speaker 11: mob of protesters who want them dead. Ultimately, because these

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Speaker 11: protests are so anti Western and backed by Iran and

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Speaker 11: Tomas is to the point where I just don't understand

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Speaker 11: how some students are able to operate on campuses.

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Speaker 6: But I absolutely applaud.

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Speaker 11: Their bravery and I encourage them to keep speaking out,

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Speaker 11: to stand up, and for other students to do the same.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Final question, Alexander, I want to wrap up with you.

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Speaker 4: Oftentimes a culture, you know, things prickle down from the top,

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Speaker 4: and with Joe Biden at the top for four years,

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Speaker 4: we have seen all these protests prop up as a

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Speaker 4: result of the conflict happening with Israel. When President Trump

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Speaker 4: retakes office and there is a new attitude of law

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Speaker 4: and order and no nonsense in this country, do you

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Speaker 4: anticipate that these protests will die down.

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Speaker 12: I'm very confident for the future, and I really think

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Speaker 12: that Americans are finally speaking out against anti Semitism on

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Speaker 12: this year on a broad scale, especially in higher education,

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Speaker 12: and especially when even on my own campus we see

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Speaker 12: that this shut it Down movement has finally dived down.

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Speaker 12: And I founded the Keep It Running party in our

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Speaker 12: recent election, and we successfully fended off these anti Israel

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Speaker 12: protesters which were withholding half a million dollars in student

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Speaker 12: org funding in order to pressure the university to divest

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Speaker 12: from Israel. And I think that this really shows that

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Speaker 12: the tides are swinging and that as a whole, this

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Speaker 12: country is feeling when it comes to that and we're

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Speaker 12: going to work together to defeat anti American ideology and

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Speaker 12: anti American rhetoric.

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Speaker 3: That's fantastic.

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Speaker 4: You guys both are doing such great work on your

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Speaker 4: own campuses and at Campus Reform. Michael Duke and Alexander Richmond,

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Speaker 4: thank you so much for being with us tonight. Guys,

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Speaker 4: we're going to take a very quick break and we'll

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Speaker 4: be back because we've got more of this special coming

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Speaker 4: up after the break.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back America to this very special discussion about Wolkeness

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Speaker 1: and American campuses and what it's doing to our next

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Speaker 1: generation of leaders. Joining us now is Campus Reforms editor

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Speaker 1: in chief. We had him on the show just a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. He lit it up. We can't

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Speaker 1: wait to talk to him again, doctor Zachary Marshall. Doctor Marshall,

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Speaker 1: great to have you back on the show.

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Speaker 2: Great to be back.

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Speaker 1: All right, we've been talking about the opportunity to slim

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Speaker 1: down Washington, particularly get rid of the Education Department, maybe

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Speaker 1: throw some block grants, get some efficiency and better local

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Speaker 1: control of education. I think you have a pretty good

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Speaker 1: idea that maybe a lot of these higher education institutions

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Speaker 1: don't need the big budgets that they have either.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, it's complete waste and higher education and the way

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Speaker 13: forward for overall restoration of our values is to slim

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Speaker 13: down college campuses. There's just too much money in a

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Speaker 13: higher education right now not being used productively, and a

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Speaker 13: lot of that comes from the federal government too. So

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Speaker 13: I am glad that so much is on the table

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Speaker 13: for twenty twenty five with de universities that have failed

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Speaker 13: their students and failed their communities. The top twenty universities

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Speaker 13: in this country have a billion dollars in endowment money.

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Speaker 13: They should be relying on that as they slim down

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Speaker 13: their campuses, readjust their financial priorities, or even find financial

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Speaker 13: priorities to be more efficient and to be better serving institutions.

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Speaker 4: Doctor Marshall, I saw this insane statistic that the price

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Speaker 4: of before your education since two thousand and five has

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Speaker 4: gone up one hundred and twenty six percent.

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Speaker 3: We all know the quality has not gone up.

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Speaker 4: In fact, the quality and the costs are basically high

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Speaker 4: five in each other, going in opposite directions.

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Speaker 3: When it comes to.

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Speaker 4: First of all, why has the quality of the education

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Speaker 4: gone down? I get it that, you know, I get

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Speaker 4: a lot of the reasons why it's become more expensive.

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Speaker 3: But why has the quality gone down?

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Speaker 13: The quality has gone down because educators have lost the

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Speaker 13: will to hold up academic standards. We have seen the

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Speaker 13: eirature of cursive, of deadlines, of even plagiarism, with allowing

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Speaker 13: Clauding Gay and other notable figures to stay in their

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Speaker 13: positions after committing plagiarism.

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Speaker 2: The idea that.

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Speaker 13: There's a right and wrong on how to do things

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Speaker 13: and that there is an order of knowledge has just evaporated.

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Speaker 13: And that's because the current crop of teachers and educators

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Speaker 13: we've had for the last thirty years cares more about

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Speaker 13: social justice activism and more about sentimentality and feelings as

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Speaker 13: the objective of higher learning rather than cultivating the mind

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Speaker 13: and producing the next generation of leaders. So it's just

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Speaker 13: not a priority in our teachers. And that's also in

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Speaker 13: K through twelve because the teaching colleges and higher ed

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Speaker 13: are training the next crop of primary and secondary school

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Speaker 13: teachers to indoction in their classrooms with pride flags and

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Speaker 13: to take away time on cursive on us history. And

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Speaker 13: this is just a different world we live in higher

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Speaker 13: education than before, and that explains why we see such

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Speaker 13: misalignment between what people need in terms of skills and

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Speaker 13: competencies in the workforce and what higher education is providing.

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Speaker 1: The other thing that higher education is providing is a

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Speaker 1: millstone of debt around a lot of next I know

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Speaker 1: lots of young students I met just from last year.

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Speaker 1: They come out of college, if they if they just

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Speaker 1: stopped at undergrad they are a quarter million in the hole,

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Speaker 1: and they've gone on to medical laws coogethers they're up

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Speaker 1: over a half million dollars in the hole. That's a

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Speaker 1: heaty hefty bill to start your life with me. You're

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Speaker 1: probably not going to afford a home for a while.

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Speaker 1: Talk a little bit how we can address that problem

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Speaker 1: as well.

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Speaker 13: We really do need to cut the cost of education,

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Speaker 13: but that is not going to happen with the policies

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Speaker 13: who come out of the Biden administration. So student loan cancelation,

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Speaker 13: for example, it does nothing to decrease the cost of college.

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Speaker 13: It only gives more free money to the universities while

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Speaker 13: diverting who actually pays for it. We need to see

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Speaker 13: money be taken out of higher education. That includes defunding universities.

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Speaker 13: That also includes parents boycotting these universities. With their pocketbooks,

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Speaker 13: as they talked about on your show last time, and

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Speaker 13: they need to rely on their endowments and the money

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Speaker 13: they get from tuition. They need to cut these dei offices,

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Speaker 13: which are the main source of tens of millions of

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Speaker 13: dollars in waste and in productivity we've seen in higher education.

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Speaker 13: They need to cut student services and student amenities. These

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Speaker 13: are not theater camps. These are institutions for learning, so

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Speaker 13: they need to slim down the actual operations and just

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Speaker 13: focus on curriculum. So once you're able to actually reduce

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Speaker 13: the cost of college, you're able to reduce the bill

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Speaker 13: ford and that's going to make college more affordable. The

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Speaker 13: problem with higher educ with student loan debt is that

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Speaker 13: so much of the debt that gets accumulated is through

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Speaker 13: graduate school and is through these professional degrees. But these

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Speaker 13: degrees are obtained by people who then can go on

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Speaker 13: to afford to repay the loans. So there's nothing about

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Speaker 13: what the left is proposing that works for the average

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Speaker 13: middle class or working class American that is just struggling

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Speaker 13: to afford an undergraduate degree.

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Speaker 4: I want to ask you about a different type of

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Speaker 4: higher education to the elites I'm sure that they wouldn't

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Speaker 4: count this, but trade schools, it seems like there has

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Speaker 4: been a big winner when it comes to move away

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Speaker 4: from the Ivy League mentality because you go to trade

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Speaker 4: school or community college and you don't typically.

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Speaker 3: Find that in doctrination in places like that.

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Speaker 4: And I think it's healthy for our economy to have

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Speaker 4: people going into things like plumbing and contracting and things

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Speaker 4: like that. Are you sensing a trend that those types

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Speaker 4: of jobs and that type of training is becoming less stigmatized.

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Speaker 13: It's definitely becoming less stigmatized. And Campus Reforms reporting on

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Speaker 13: this for years that a lot of eighteen year olds

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Speaker 13: and even some young adults are saying, you know what,

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Speaker 13: I'm just not going to go out of college. They

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Speaker 13: have gotten over the stigmatization that existed for years, and

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Speaker 13: they're saying, I don't care about status, I care about debt,

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Speaker 13: and I care about having skills. The more uncertain our

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Speaker 13: economy has been the last four years, the more people

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Speaker 13: want to go and get vocational training in jobs that

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Speaker 13: are going to be study for the rest of their

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Speaker 13: working life. So this is absolutely our readjustment priorities, and

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Speaker 13: it's also why we're seeing so much more interest in

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Speaker 13: the big state schools now that historically have not been

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Speaker 13: perceived as prestigious. People are rejecting the Ivy leagues. They

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Speaker 13: are rejecting the top twenty top fifty universities because those

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Speaker 13: universities have done nothing but lower the value of education.

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Speaker 13: A cave to the woke mob and ask for we're

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Speaker 13: now approaching one hundred thousand dollars a year intuition, which

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Speaker 13: is not going to be a good return on investment

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Speaker 13: for the people who do attend.

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Speaker 1: Great point, doctor, I want to ask a little bit

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Speaker 1: about a backdoor where lots of billions of dollars come

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Speaker 1: in from the federal government and it creates a bureaucracy

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Speaker 1: that never touches students. These are not educated, standing students.

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Speaker 1: They're all in the research game and IH and all

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Speaker 1: the other different grants that come in tens of billions

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Speaker 1: of dollars a year, sometimes to study things like how

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Speaker 1: sexual preference affects weight gain. I don't know how that

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Speaker 1: could possibly be related, but we spend money on things

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Speaker 1: like that. Is that a place that Congress could turn

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Speaker 1: off to pick it quickly and force some big changes

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Speaker 1: at these institutions.

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Speaker 13: I think so, and I think they need to just

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Speaker 13: to show the system and that's going to be what

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Speaker 13: is going to disrupt this entitled behavior we scene where

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Speaker 13: professors and administrators think, no matter how intuition is, no

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Speaker 13: matter how radical I am, the money is always going

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Speaker 13: to come in and the students will always want to

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Speaker 13: sign up for classes. That is slowly changing. There is

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Speaker 13: more than enough money out there in endowments, in major gifts,

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Speaker 13: intuition revenue for a lot of meaningful research to be funded.

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Speaker 13: And that kind of research should not stop. But if

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Speaker 13: we turn off the excess and the glut that comes

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Speaker 1: That's an important idea. Is that's a common sense idea?

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Speaker 1: Real quickly, doctor, what's the best way to stay in

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Speaker 1: touch with all the great content that you produce?

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Speaker 2: A Campus Reform as its editor in chief.

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Speaker 13: People can go to campus reform dot org. It is

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Speaker 1: Some of the best reporting about what's been going on

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to our justin News. Campus Reform a special

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Speaker 4: report tonight. It isn't just professors and college staff pushing

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Speaker 4: a progressive and anti American agenda on college campuses that

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Speaker 4: get their kids indoctrinated. It is the complete shutting down

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Speaker 4: of any pro America or conservative talking point, along with

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Speaker 4: discrimination of students who dare to openly hold conservative viewpoints

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Speaker 4: or you're just the counterviewpoint, joining us now to discuss

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Speaker 4: that as campus perform correspondent as well as a student

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Speaker 4: at the University of Florida, Emily Surge.

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Speaker 3: Emily, thank you so much for joining us tonight. Thank

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Speaker 3: you so much for having me. At the risk of

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Speaker 3: sounding a little geriatric.

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Speaker 4: Back in my day, college campuses were places where you could.

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Speaker 3: Have a counter viewpoint.

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Speaker 4: It was kind of the point of college campuses was

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Speaker 4: to go to college, go to higher education, and be

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Speaker 4: confronted with ideas that were different from those that you

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Speaker 4: had held for the previous eighteen years. But now it

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Speaker 4: kind of seems like college campuses are really just a

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Speaker 4: hive mind for liberalism.

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Speaker 3: Is that the case?

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Speaker 14: You're absolutely correct, and unfortunately today's college campuses, in today's

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Speaker 14: higher education system is forcing a radical leftist ideology onto

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Speaker 14: the minds of young, impressionable students, of course, with the

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Speaker 14: hopes of churning out the next generation of democratic voters.

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Speaker 14: The higher education system is not teaching students how to think,

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Speaker 14: it's not teaching them critical thinking skills. It's teaching them

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Speaker 14: what to think. And if you're a conservative on a

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Speaker 14: college campus, you essentially have a target on your back.

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Speaker 14: Conservatives face verbal abuse from their peers in the classroom.

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Speaker 14: Whether that's in the classroom or on social media, Conservatives

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Speaker 14: also face lower grades from their professors and different treatment

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Speaker 14: from their university administrations.

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Speaker 2: Just amazing. I'm going to keep up the thing. Back

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Speaker 2: in my century.

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Speaker 1: When I was in college, was a whole century ago,

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Speaker 1: so a much older listen with someone dared to be intolerant,

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Speaker 1: you know, there was a kind of an unwritten rule

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be tolerated.

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Speaker 2: You didn't cross that line.

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Speaker 1: Now we have a professor of South Texas College, it's

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Speaker 1: caught on camera comparing the Tea Party to the Nazi Party.

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Speaker 1: You get a professor at Eastern Connecticut State University, not

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Speaker 1: far from where I grew up, calling Republicans racist, misogynistic,

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Speaker 1: money grabbing people in a lecture actually paid for by

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Speaker 1: the students actual tuition. What role do the university have

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Speaker 1: in not policing the conduct of these lecturers and these professors.

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Speaker 14: Well, what's interesting is that the Leadership Institute's campus reform.

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Speaker 14: We've been in this business for fifteen years. We've been

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Speaker 14: reporting the liberal bias and blatant manipulation happening in college

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Speaker 14: classrooms for fifteen years, and some of these stories, like

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Speaker 14: the ones you mentioned, we see common themes in the

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Speaker 14: stories that we're reporting today versus ten years ago. A

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Speaker 14: professor at Eastern Connecticut State University made comments in his

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Speaker 14: classroom like you mentioned, calling Republicans racist and misogynistic, and

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Speaker 14: then we see similar stories today. Just recently, an admissions

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Speaker 14: counselor at Gettisburg College made comments on social media saying

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Speaker 14: that Republicans are okay with rape and misogyny and racism.

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Speaker 14: So there's very common themes. And at the Leadership Institute's

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Speaker 14: Campus Reform, we are reporting that we are bringing awareness

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Speaker 14: to these issues.

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Speaker 4: Sure, so yeah, and so much of this is disturbing.

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Speaker 4: One of your colleagues actually at campus to perform. One

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Speaker 4: of your reporters, Olivia Krolschik, she's a sophomore at the

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Speaker 4: University of Cincinnati. For our audience, a little bit of background,

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Speaker 4: she received a zero on an assignment for using the

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Speaker 4: term biological women. Her professor said it was transphobic. I

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Speaker 4: gotta say, with stories like this, it almost seems like

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Speaker 4: there is an incentive to not go to hire a

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Speaker 4: university these days.

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Speaker 14: It's extremely concerning how comfortable professors and university administrators are

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Speaker 14: with erasing the truth. Erasing the term biological woman is

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Speaker 14: extremely dangerous. Of course, it sets a very dangerous precedent

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Speaker 14: that we can just erase facts and just accept feelings.

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Speaker 14: Colleges are all about coddling the hyper sensitive left, and

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Speaker 14: one of the ways that they're doing that is by

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Speaker 14: erasing the truth. And that's why we're reporting these stories

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Speaker 14: and encouraging young conservatives to stand up for truth, because

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Speaker 14: you know, the next generation might not have access to

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Speaker 14: the truth anymore if we continue to let it be erased.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty remarkable.

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Speaker 1: I think what has done is it's turned what used

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Speaker 1: to be one of the free thinking spaces in America

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Speaker 1: into the unfree.

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Speaker 2: Places to talk.

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Speaker 1: There was a study I think out recently eighty percent

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Speaker 1: of students saying they self censor because they don't want

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Speaker 1: to get into an argument or get wrung up by

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Speaker 1: the classroom, which is exactly what.

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Speaker 2: College wasn't supposed to be.

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Speaker 1: Supposed to be a free exchange ideas so you can

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Speaker 1: learn and debate. How pervasive is this idea that people

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Speaker 1: are even afraid to speak.

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Speaker 2: Up in class anymore.

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Speaker 14: It's very concerning. Like you mentioned, eighty percent of students

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Speaker 14: report self censoring themselves, and can you blame them. It's

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Speaker 14: a survival mechanism from verbal attacks from their peers in

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Speaker 14: the classroom or on social media. It's a survival mechanism

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Speaker 14: to ensure that they don't get failing grades. Students, the

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Speaker 14: GPA that they graduate with determines what job they get,

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Speaker 14: what career they land. It ultimately decides the rest of

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Speaker 14: their lives. So I don't blame conservative students for feeling

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Speaker 14: like they're in such an impossible situation where they have

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Speaker 14: to fake being a liberal on some of their papers

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Speaker 14: are fake having a leftist worldview and classroom discussions. They're

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Speaker 14: doing it as a survival mechanism ultimately to protect themselves,

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Speaker 14: which at the end of the day, that's the fault

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Speaker 14: of the university administrations and for professors for creating this

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Speaker 14: hostile environment where conservative students feel like that is their

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Speaker 14: only solution.

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Speaker 4: Emily, I spoke to someone recently who was a liberal

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Speaker 4: his entire life.

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Speaker 3: He watched mainstream news.

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Speaker 4: He was a frequent viewer of MSNBC and CNN, and

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Speaker 4: a lot of these liberal networks that oftentimes are selling

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Speaker 4: a different story from the truth. And he said that

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Speaker 4: the one thing that moved him over to vote for

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump was the Joe Rogan COVID scandal where they

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Speaker 4: put this filter on him that made it look more

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Speaker 4: jaundice than.

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Speaker 3: He actually was.

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Speaker 4: I have no doubt that people like you and other

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Speaker 4: folks at campus perform are changing hearts and minds on

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Speaker 4: college campuses. In these scenarios, what do you typically find

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Speaker 4: is the gateway drug that causes them to question what

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Speaker 4: they have been told and leads them down a path

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Speaker 4: of maybe a little bit more clarity, reality and truth.

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Speaker 14: It's very exciting to have watched Donald Trump and embrace

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Speaker 14: the space of podcasts and even TikTok and social media.

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Speaker 14: His team really focused on where Generation Z was and

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Speaker 14: they did a fantastic job of it of capturing gen

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Speaker 14: Z online. It's really refreshing to see that because keep

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Speaker 14: in mind, my generation, since the time of elementary school,

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Speaker 14: middle school, we've been in classrooms where professors, teachers, textbooks

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Speaker 14: force this liberal worldview onto us. Of course, the mainstream

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Speaker 14: media also pursues that worldview. Celebrities, Hollywood, academia, everything has

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Speaker 14: forced this worldview onto us, our entire lives, and yet

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Speaker 14: this election we saw forty six percent of young voters

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Speaker 14: turnout in support of Donald Trump. I think that's pretty remarkable,

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Speaker 14: concerned when you take into account the amount of indoctrination

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Speaker 14: that my generation in specific has faced. But I think

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Speaker 14: the reason for this change of hearts among many gen

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Speaker 14: zers is Donald Trump going into spaces like social media,

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Speaker 14: going into spaces like Joe Rogan's podcast where he's able

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Speaker 14: to have a raw and authentic conversation and talk about truth,

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Speaker 14: whereas we didn't see that same sort of truth and

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Speaker 14: same sort of raw conversations that just didn't come from

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Speaker 14: Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of people refer to this election as

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Speaker 4: the podcast selection.

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Speaker 3: And President Trump stepping into those exact spaces that you're

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Speaker 3: talking about.

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Speaker 4: Emily Surge, campus Reform correspondent and the Florida Gator down

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Speaker 4: at the University of Florida, Thanks so much for being.

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Speaker 14: Your Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely all right, John and I are going to give

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Speaker 4: you our final thoughts right after the break.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back, everybody.

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Speaker 4: We've been talking this entire show about something that is

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Speaker 4: so important. Obviously higher education, but before kids even get

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Speaker 4: to higher education, what they are learning in K through

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Speaker 4: twelve or not learning unfortunately, and John, one of the

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Speaker 4: things that absolutely jarred me from our interview with Nicholas

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Speaker 4: you or Donna three point one billion dollars I believe,

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Speaker 4: is what he said that American businesses have to spend

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Speaker 4: on remedial training.

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Speaker 3: Specifically in writing. But you have to think.

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Speaker 4: You know, obviously, for large corporations, they with regards to

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Speaker 4: their finances, they're typically going to.

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Speaker 3: Hire exclusively CPAs.

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Speaker 4: But if you are someone who is outside of that

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Speaker 4: CPA certification, I would imagine that as far as math,

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's something that is declining as well. And

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Speaker 4: you know they're in New York here in California, deep blue,

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Speaker 4: deep blue cities like Chicago, Philly, Baltimore. You guys have

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Speaker 4: run plenty of articles about the number of schools in

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Speaker 4: Baltimore's school district that pass at grade level, and I

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Speaker 4: think it's zero or close to zero. I mean, this

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Speaker 4: is just it is absolutely a disservice to America's students

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Speaker 4: when they can't not only are they not prepared for college.

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Speaker 3: But if they happen to get through college. They're not

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Speaker 3: even prepared for work life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and now we're passing that expense onto businesses, which,

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Speaker 1: by the way, already paid their taxes to get you

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Speaker 1: through the school system. An average student, if you get

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Speaker 1: through college, has had at least a quarter million to

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Speaker 1: a half million dollars spent on just their education by taxpayers.

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Speaker 1: And then they come out and then the private sector

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Speaker 1: has to retrain them because they learn absolutely nothing meaningful

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Speaker 1: during that and they're an experience and it's just insanity.

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Speaker 1: We're accelerating the cycle of failure. And it starts with

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Speaker 1: not having ameritak in these schools, right, being afraid to

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Speaker 1: give anyone a failing grade or to have any focus

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Speaker 1: on traditional things. And I think that's why some of

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Speaker 1: the things like Mike Row has done to encourage alternate

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Speaker 1: learning and getting getting through the trade schools. Those guys

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Speaker 1: are coming out with less debt, and those gals and

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Speaker 1: they're now walking into six figure jobs with a year

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Speaker 1: or two of their career starting. The college campuses are

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Speaker 1: gonna have to find a metal model to compete with that,

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Speaker 1: or they're going to find themselves in a world of hurt.

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Speaker 1: Because I think that trade school movement starting to get

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Speaker 1: a lot of attraction.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I've had this conversation with many of my

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Speaker 4: nieces and nephews who have approached or are approaching age

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Speaker 4: eighteen and making those pivotal decisions about college. The world

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Speaker 4: is always going to need plumbers. The world is always

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Speaker 4: going to need construction workers. As long as we don't

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Speaker 4: blow out our grid, We're always going to need electricians.

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Speaker 4: So these are valuable, valuable skills that you know in perpetuity,

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Speaker 4: we are always going to need them.

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Speaker 3: But I want to ask you what it could look

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Speaker 3: like at liniment.

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Speaker 4: Man is going to get in there and she's going

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Speaker 4: to body slam the Department of Education. But if if

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Speaker 4: this administration is able to do away with it practically speaking, John,

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Speaker 4: and you have you have followed government and politics for

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Speaker 4: so long, would you take the funding from the Department

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Speaker 4: of Education and then allocate it to the states based.

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Speaker 3: On the number of students?

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Speaker 4: Would it be based on the number of K through

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Speaker 4: twelve institutions?

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Speaker 3: How would How do you think the best way to

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Speaker 3: go about that would be?

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of the programs will stay the same, right,

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Speaker 1: so there'll be certain you mentioned earlier. I think it

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Speaker 1: was that Nick Giorgano. Nick Giordano said, listen, there's still

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Speaker 1: going to be pelgrants, right, That's something that's codified in

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Speaker 1: the law. So there's going to be a block of

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Speaker 1: money for grants. Someone will administer it, but it'd be

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Speaker 1: a much smaller staff. Then there are, you know, key

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Speaker 1: initiatives that Congress passes, and they're often per capita if

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Speaker 1: they're student based. There are some other programs like money

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Speaker 1: for school safety, that go based on the need or

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Speaker 1: the danger that a school faces, and so there'll be

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Speaker 1: a reallocation. But the truth of the matter is taking

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Speaker 1: twenty or thirty percent off the federal expense for education

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Speaker 1: right off the top, and not anyone's going to notice.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's unbelievable. This has been a very eye opening

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Speaker 4: episode for us. I'm so glad we were able to

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Speaker 4: get this in for Thanksgiving week. And look, we're going

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Speaker 4: to see a lot of changes coming in the next

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Speaker 4: four years, and I certainly hope that many of those

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Speaker 4: changes are concentrated around education. Thank you to all of

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Speaker 4: our guests tonight from Campus Reform, John, thank you to you,

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Speaker 4: and thank you to all of you tuning in for

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Speaker 4: joining us.

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Speaker 3: This week.

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Speaker 4: We hope you had a splendid Thanksgiving, have a wonderful weekend,

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Speaker 4: and we'll see you on Monday.

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