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Speaker 2: App if you listened to the show yesterday, whether live

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Speaker 2: or on the podcast. We had just brought up the

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Speaker 2: subject to Paul Kessler again wondering what was going on

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Speaker 2: with the case. That's the Jewish man that was at

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Speaker 2: the rally opposing sides to Palestine versus Israel and he

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Speaker 2: got knocked down, hit his head and he died. That

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Speaker 2: happened in one thousand Oaks a couple of weekends ago, and

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Speaker 2: I was wondering up in Ventura County, what's going on

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Speaker 2: in the case just sink away? But they did announce

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Speaker 2: an arrest this morning. It is the heavy set computer

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Speaker 2: science teacher that from more Park, the fifty year old man.

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Speaker 2: We'll get into all the details of that breaking news

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Speaker 2: story which occurred this morning in about thirty minutes, but

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Speaker 2: right now looks like we have a chance to talk

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Speaker 2: to one of the business owners who actually operated a

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Speaker 2: business underneath the ten Freeway near downtown Los Angeles, which

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Speaker 2: was devastated by the.

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Speaker 1: Fire last weekend. His name is Rudy Sarafin. His business

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Speaker 1: was supplying the garment district with hangars, cardboard, and other items.

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Speaker 1: And right now he's out. According to Fox eleven, he's

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Speaker 1: out of eight hundred thousand dollars in equipment and trucks,

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Speaker 1: still trying to make deliveries, still trying to keep going.

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Speaker 1: He was subleasing from Anthony no Wade, who held the

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Speaker 1: lease from Caltrans, and Rudy is telling reporters that Caltrans

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Speaker 1: knew that no Wade was there for many years. And

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Speaker 1: I think when you find out how many, you're going

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Speaker 1: to be stunned. But you got him. Hey, are you there, Rudy, Yes, sir, Rudy,

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Speaker 1: thanks for coming on with us. We're really sorry about

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Speaker 1: what happened to your business there.

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 1: How long have you had that business on no Wade's

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Speaker 1: leased property?

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Speaker 3: I opened my business, I've been since ninety nine, but

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Speaker 3: in that property, I've been there since two thousand and nine,

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Speaker 3: December two thousand nine.

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Speaker 1: Two thousand and nine. And Caltrans knew that Nowade had

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Speaker 1: sub led all these businesses, and they knew that you

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Speaker 1: were there with your business.

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure, yes, you know, I mean a very kind,

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Speaker 3: don't get him in trouble. He used to go there

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Speaker 3: every year, and he was very very very kind and

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Speaker 3: very nice man. I mean, he used to talk with me,

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Speaker 3: and he used to go around and check around the.

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Speaker 1: Place, right, so you you actually showed him around.

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Speaker 3: I would show him around, or whenever someone new, I

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Speaker 3: would tell the person that the new tenant that I

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Speaker 3: just tell he tell the people he's a cowtrans guy.

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Speaker 3: He just needs to look around, and he would look

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Speaker 3: around and that will be it.

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Speaker 1: You know, how long were homeless people living under the overpass?

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Speaker 3: Homeless has When I got there, there was no homeless.

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Speaker 3: The homeless situation is cutting worse, maybe like eight years back.

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Speaker 3: But I have to say, there was no homeless there.

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Speaker 3: There was no homeless in front of the door. Like

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Speaker 3: no homeless there. Used to be homeless on the UH

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Speaker 3: on the side of the ramp. There was no homeless yeah,

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Speaker 3: and there was no homeless on the fourteenth side. Only

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Speaker 2: Right do you do you have any idea how this

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Speaker 3: I you know, when I when I was seeing the

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Speaker 1: Wait at that site.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, not in that, not in that site, but

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Speaker 3: it's not something common. It was it was it was

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Speaker 3: that homeless when they're doing drugs, sometimes they fall asleep

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Speaker 3: I saw one. This is something that I that they

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Speaker 3: like they would do drugs. I don't know what kind

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Speaker 3: like a pipe, and and they would do it with

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Speaker 3: a pipe. And normally those people have like a like

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Speaker 3: a little like a little torch, like a little cigarette

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Speaker 3: the torch, you know, like your cigarette, but it's like

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Speaker 3: a little torch, right, And they would they were literally

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Speaker 2: But but you don't think this was a homeless cause fire.

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Speaker 3: I I you know again, when when I was, when

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Speaker 3: homeless Now they're saying it was arson. You know, for me,

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Speaker 3: it makes no difference.

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Speaker 1: I lost everything right now, right, I mean it could

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Speaker 3: That that is true. That is true. Again, it doesn't

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Speaker 3: change nothing. That my that my livelihood is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't you don't live far from here? You

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Speaker 2: said you run over when you smell smoke. Do you

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Speaker 3: Or oh no, no, no when when I'm working. When

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Speaker 3: I was working, I would run around. Yeah, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 3: I live. I live. I live in Hollywood.

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Speaker 1: It was your your business like an open air business,

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Speaker 1: because you said it was sometimes you know, there might

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Speaker 1: be homeless people or they you said there wasn't homeless

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Speaker 1: people at your door necess early. Do you mean a

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Speaker 1: literal door? Do you mean the front of the gated area.

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Speaker 3: Front, the front of the gates, in front of the.

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Speaker 1: Gate, right right, So you were working outdoors all the

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Speaker 3: My my side of the small business I created. It

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Speaker 3: didn't have no real wall, but I created like h

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Speaker 3: like uh I built uh. I bought pilot wrecks systems

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Speaker 3: Then I put up a big tarp around it so

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Speaker 3: all I could do.

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Speaker 1: Uh. So nobody ever from the state. You said when

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Speaker 1: Caltrans came around, it was Caltrans, right.

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Speaker 3: It was Caltrans. Also the fire department and once in

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Speaker 3: a while walked in there.

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Speaker 1: Fire department, the state fire Department, cal Fire or La

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Speaker 3: You know, I have to tell the truth, and the

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Speaker 3: truth is, I don't know. It was a guy addressed

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Speaker 1: Fire fire costume.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well did they did they? Yeah? Did they express

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Speaker 3: You know, they would check my uh my fire's signatures,

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Speaker 3: never really bugged me. Honestly, they never had place clean.

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Speaker 3: I had my place clean. I have my police. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: I had a bunch of I sell boxes hangars for

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Speaker 3: there were also good people, you know, I mean the

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Speaker 3: fireman especially whoever was the fire people that were taking

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Speaker 3: brave man, brave mound.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So nobody from the state ever told you that

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Speaker 1: the business your business should not be there, that it

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Speaker 3: No man, No, no, sir, I no, sir, no, no,

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Speaker 3: that that that that that is definitely that never happened.

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Speaker 3: Like I said, I I hope I don't get the

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Speaker 3: uh the inspecter in trouble because he is a very

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Speaker 3: nice man. I haven't talked to him in a while,

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Speaker 2: Well, well what are you going to do now? You're

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Speaker 2: going to try to find another place to set up

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Speaker 3: Or the only thing that a working man can do

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Speaker 1: Now, do you have any insurance?

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Speaker 3: No, sir. I did try to get it, but as

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Speaker 3: you know, the insurances are fleeing California, so they wouldn't.

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Speaker 3: They wouldn't. They would not insure me and they would

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Speaker 3: had been paying insurance for like forty years, like literally

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Speaker 3: too months ago. The insurance left them and he had food,

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Speaker 3: Nothing was oligile, even if it wasn't, something was knowledgeable,

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Speaker 3: anything we could say. And I understand they want to

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Speaker 3: fix the freeway. I fully understand, but at the same time,

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Speaker 3: you know, it was it was it was our stuff,

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Speaker 3: you know, I mean like for like, for instance, right now,

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Speaker 3: we're waiting for the fire department to release the report

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Speaker 3: because I'm renting. If I don't, if they don't release

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Speaker 3: per day, which is three hundred and eighty dollars plus

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Speaker 3: knowledge a day, and and if they don't reach the report,

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Speaker 3: we have to keep on renting, which is a lot

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Speaker 3: of money for I mean, I understand for a lot

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Speaker 3: a lot, but for us, they all.

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Speaker 2: Right, Rudy, we appreciate you taking a few minutes to

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Speaker 2: talk to us and sorry about losing a lot of

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Speaker 2: your business items there, but thanks for coming on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks very much, thank you sir.

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Speaker 2: All Right, all right, that's Rudy seraf And one of

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Speaker 2: the business owners who lost much of his business because

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Speaker 2: of the palletyard they caught fire under the ten Freeway

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Speaker 2: Well, we just got done talking to a man by

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Speaker 1: California's own stupid eviction laws that kept the state from

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Speaker 2: He was sure getting the money from the poor people

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Speaker 2: To what it always comes back to. Because they're largely

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Speaker 1: If you do anything wrong because you have a job

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Speaker 2: Not even if they completely did that, but it became

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Speaker 1: What did Rudy Sarafin say that that fire that happened

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Speaker 2: All right, when we come back, Well, it is the

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Speaker 2: All right, well, it is finally a charge of involuntary

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Speaker 2: this morning.

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Speaker 1: Chris, what's going on?

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Speaker 5: Hey guys, So, what we know right now is more

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Speaker 5: Park College computer science professor Lowey Al Naji was arrested

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Speaker 5: with whatever action took place. Now, the Ventura County DA

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Speaker 1: You guys, did they talk at all about whether the

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Speaker 5: They haven't released any of those details. I reached out

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Speaker 2: And that's why they took to weeks because they were

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Speaker 1: Riot out of this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd be curious to say what the professor told

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Speaker 5: They would do that, And that's what the media we asked.

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Speaker 1: All right, Chris, thank you for that update, absolutely, guys.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Chris, Adler Kfi is And what we're dealing with

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Speaker 1: And who the aggressor was is important as you could see, Uh.

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Speaker 2: What if they both shoved each other, you could claim

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Speaker 1: I think it's obviously he did what whack Kessler with

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Speaker 1: his face, Kessler and injury in the back of his head,

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Speaker 1: which which killed him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we all knew some kind of charge had to come.

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Speaker 2: This may be the softer of all the predicted charges,

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Speaker 2: but you couldn't just let this go. I mean, the

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Speaker 2: man died and there was some sort of terrible confrontation.

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Speaker 1: And because the official definition of involuntary manslaughter in California

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Speaker 1: is when someone is killed by an unlawful act less

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Speaker 1: severe than a felony, or by a lawful act which

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Speaker 1: might produce death in an unlawful manner, or you have

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Speaker 1: you didn't use proper caution.

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Speaker 2: Caution right, Yeah, So if you're gonna shove somebody, it

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Speaker 2: shouldn't be on the pavement, you know, get on the grass.

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Speaker 2: If you're gonna start happening.

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Speaker 1: If you whack somebody in the face, you're with a megaphone,

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Speaker 1: a reasonable person would know that that possibly could kill them,

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Speaker 1: either either the megaphone itself or by falling down and

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Speaker 1: hitting their head.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, Kessler is sixty nine years old. This

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Speaker 2: guy's fifty. And Kessler clearly was probably thinner and the

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Speaker 2: impact of the megaphone in his face probably caused him

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Speaker 2: to lose his balance.

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Speaker 1: And hit his head.

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Speaker 2: So all right, well, we'll see what happens, and I

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Speaker 2: guess that's probably what we're going to hear in the

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Speaker 2: three o'clock hour an official announcement from the Ventura County

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Speaker 2: DA about these charges against this community college professor. More

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Speaker 2: coming up Johnny kenkf I AM six forty everywhere the

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Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 4: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI

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Speaker 4: AM six forty.

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Speaker 1: Are you considering running for president.

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Speaker 3: In twenty top four, twenty twenty eight, Not even considerably,

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Speaker 3: Not at all.

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Speaker 6: This election is a choice about life and death.

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Speaker 1: We nen defeat trump Ism.

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Speaker 6: This is the most consequential election they choose that as

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Speaker 6: they self fear around crime, they self come around these

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Speaker 6: perverse gun laws.

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Speaker 1: What we've got right now is not working and it's

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Speaker 1: about to break.

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Speaker 6: And look at this sewage that is online that they

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Speaker 6: amplify on these networks and in social media to dehumanize people.

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Speaker 1: This whole band border debate is made up.

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Speaker 6: That's how extreme the Republican Party is in the United

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Speaker 6: States of America.

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Speaker 1: It's time to organize guys bottom up, not just top down.

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Speaker 1: Republicans have been organized and bottom up forever. Where the

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Speaker 1: hell are we as a party to? I'm sure the narrative.

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Speaker 6: I honestly, if I were offering political advice, i'd tell

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Speaker 6: him to pack up and wait a few years.

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Speaker 1: I never trust politicians, so I get why to keep asking.

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Speaker 7: So when I see you in Iowa in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 3: I will play this for you.

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Speaker 1: What's what the fake row? When he does there, I'm

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Speaker 1: what else I know?

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Speaker 7: John and Canton present the Gavin Newsom is running for president? Desk,

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Speaker 7: Gavin Newsom maybe sort of running for president? Well maybe

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Speaker 7: Gavin Newsom not running for president?

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Speaker 1: Desk.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, can you go ahead?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 1: No, you go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm just saying this gathering, this is this stupid

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Speaker 2: APEC conference in San Francisco. This is what politicians do.

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Speaker 2: They love to have these big gatherings. They bring in

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Speaker 2: a celebrity. I guess Gwen Stefani did some singing. We're

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Speaker 2: talking about Biden, Newsome, the Canadian Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau,

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Speaker 2: the Vice President, Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 1: It was an idiot's convention.

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Speaker 2: It's a some meeting, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: God?

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Speaker 2: They all gathered in San Francisco at this little welcoming

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Speaker 2: show last night.

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Speaker 1: Wait, wait, can you imagine this wiener fest? You've got

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Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom and Justin Trudeau in San Francisco.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and they sat down and had their own little

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Speaker 2: summit together, and they were bought.

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Speaker 1: They were both topless. Did you see that?

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Speaker 2: Oh that's how you knew he has a hairless chest.

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Speaker 2: Yeah's right, some reason you knew Newsom has a hairless chest. Yes, okay,

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Speaker 2: it's a little short of testostero. It's nothing, it's all right,

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Speaker 2: nothing to be ashamed of. Right, And of course old

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Speaker 2: Joe who turns eighty one on Monday, I'm all over

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Speaker 2: that for a moment, although he acts like he's ninety

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Speaker 2: one at least, as stiff as ever and can't seem

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Speaker 2: to remember where he is.

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Speaker 1: Oh, you know, it was a good one. He did

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Speaker 1: a little press conference and they'd given him, you know,

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Speaker 1: cards to call on, or they've given him an order

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Speaker 1: of reporters to call on. And he goes, uh, CBS,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I forgot, I forgot.

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Speaker 2: I can't do it smoothly.

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Speaker 1: He didn't. He forgot the reporter And of Christy's reporters

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Speaker 1: are really well known to people like Biden because they've

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Speaker 1: been there for years, right, So he forgot the reporter's

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Speaker 1: name and then forgot the reporter from the Washington Post. Oh,

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Speaker 1: he couldn't remember their name or he couldn't match up

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Speaker 1: the name of the face.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but at the end is near. Now we're gonna

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Speaker 2: play this audio because Newsom apparently was one of the

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Speaker 2: warm up backs who spoke first at this welcome event

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Speaker 2: for APEC. But imagine when you hear this that also

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Speaker 2: a warm up speaker was the Vice President of the

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Speaker 2: United States, Kamala Harris. Now she's a buffoon, But when

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Speaker 2: you listen to what Biden said here, even the eighty

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Speaker 2: one year old decrepit leader of the US is bypassing

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Speaker 2: her as to what comes next.

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Speaker 8: To listen up, it's real honor to welcome all my

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Speaker 8: fellow leaders to the United States. Two years ago, when

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Speaker 8: the United States offered the host this summit, we knew

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Speaker 8: we need a location dynamic and diverse and as a

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Speaker 8: pack itself. They pick in San Francisco.

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Speaker 3: Here we are.

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Speaker 8: I want to talk about Governor Newsom. I want to

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Speaker 8: thank him. He's been one hell of a governor man.

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Speaker 8: Matter of fact, he could do you want. He could

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Speaker 8: have the job I'm looking for.

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Speaker 2: There you go, he could have a job I'm looking for.

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Speaker 2: You already have the job you do.

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Speaker 1: Forget that they said, this is not twenty twenty when

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Speaker 1: you were running for president. President, he could have the

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Speaker 1: job that I have. Now I'm looking to keep right.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking to keep right. Yeah, you're right, though I

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Speaker 1: didn't think of that. I don't mention to Kamla at all. Right,

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Speaker 1: and right in her face. Yeah, she's right there too.

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Speaker 1: I mean, she's supposed to be the person in waiting.

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Speaker 1: The vice president is the next president. It just the way.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't always work that way, but it's supposed to.

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Speaker 2: Uh No, and Newsom warmed up the crowd. God, we

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Speaker 2: should have grabbed some of this. He hailed California as

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Speaker 2: a dream and a coming attraction. This is the BS

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Speaker 2: he's trying to sell on people that California should the

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Speaker 2: rest of the country should look to go the way

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Speaker 2: we are, with all the homeless people on the crime

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Speaker 2: and the traffic and the deprector roads.

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Speaker 1: People dying on the streets by the thousands every year,

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Speaker 1: dead bodies by the thousands.

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Speaker 2: But he looked his sharpest. I'm looking at these pictures

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Speaker 2: his hair is really slicked back, and he looks trim

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Speaker 2: in this completely well tailored suit. Right, he looks the

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Speaker 2: party's tall, taller than most people in the pictures. He's

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Speaker 2: got his stunning blonde wife with them. Yes, they're ready.

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Speaker 2: If Biden collapses, he's stepping in. He's stepping right over.

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Speaker 2: He's standing on Kamala Arris, got his boot right on

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Speaker 2: her neck. Oh yeah. The moment that Biden announces he's

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Speaker 2: not running, if that happens or some health problem that

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Speaker 2: restricts him, this guy is jumping up into the voide.

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Speaker 1: Camick face down on the ground. Now, oh yeah, he'll

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Speaker 1: step on her face. She should have started screaming, what

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Speaker 1: am I invisible? I am vice president?

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Speaker 6: You got that?

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Speaker 1: And I'm also from the Bay Area. This is my

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Speaker 1: home too. Why can't I talk about that? I got

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Speaker 1: here first. He's still in California. I'm right down the

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Speaker 1: hall from you.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to hear one of her quotes from

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Speaker 2: her statements. No, as vice president, I have traveled to

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Speaker 2: Indo Pacific countries at least four times over the last

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Speaker 2: four years. Great, you boarded a plane, I visited American

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Speaker 2: sailors deployed to Japan and American soldiers at the Korean DMZ.

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Speaker 2: I visited because it's the Asian Pacific. She wants to

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Speaker 2: show everybody.

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Speaker 1: That I've been all over the place. What did you

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Speaker 1: do last year? I visited, I went on planes, I

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Speaker 1: went on boats.

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Speaker 2: I have spent time with many of the world leaders

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Speaker 2: here today in bilateral meetings by one and multilateral summits.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's pretty great.

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Speaker 2: I represented the US at APEC last year in Bangkok.

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Speaker 2: Me me me, Yeah, she's trying to I think she

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Speaker 2: felt upstaged. Yeah, she felt upstaged. I mean even Gwen Stefan,

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Speaker 2: he probably got a bigger greeting than Kamala Harris. But

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Speaker 2: oh my god, justin Trudeau, everybody forgot the dictator sitting

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Speaker 2: near the president of China.

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris is only chance Biden has to die within

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Speaker 1: a year. Do you even think that's gonna do it?

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Speaker 1: Because Newsom will jump in well to the wrest of

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Speaker 1: the nomination. He'll audit.

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Speaker 2: But but no, she'll take over the position until she

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Speaker 2: could get the job for a year.

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Speaker 1: But that's it.

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Speaker 2: Then do you think that's gonna help?

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Speaker 1: No, But so she'll have it. She'll be the what

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Speaker 1: would it be the forty Uh what is what number? President?

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Speaker 1: Are we up? Tops forty five? Right? So Biden's forty six.

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Speaker 1: So Kamala Harris has a chance to be uh forty

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Speaker 1: seventh president for a year if Biden drops dead. Now,

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Speaker 1: there's always that for your resumes, you know, maybe you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe for six months, maybe for three days. Right, but no,

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Speaker 1: she's not getting a nomination or she's not gonna win.

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Speaker 2: When we come back. Oh newsoms California, La County Criminal

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Speaker 2: Justice say you had to rub my eyes to read

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Speaker 2: this headline. A couple of times. Suspect wanted in violent

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Speaker 2: follow home robberies was arrested five times for robbery in

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Speaker 2: eighteen months. Another winter story from our criminal justice system.

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Speaker 2: Blake Trolley's on it, Johnny Ken, CAFI AM six forty live,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, George Gascone, John and Ken, Debra Mark Liveman,

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Speaker 1: CAFI twenty four our newsroom.

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