Speaker 1: You're listening to playback a Variety podcast. I'm your host,
Speaker 1: Variety Awards editor Chris Tappily. Keep doing good? Does he day? Huh?
Speaker 1: I'd my little coffee so yeah, caffeine freak. That's why
Speaker 1: had it a stroke on dentist kills me. It's nice, Yeah,
Speaker 1: niceness nice? Huh. You're about to turn this machine off
Speaker 1: out there? Good story is? She throwing down? Was laughing?
Speaker 1: It's good. I was up in Sundance. How is it?
Speaker 1: What film? Did you? What? Which one? Oh? No, I missed.
Speaker 1: Everyone told me to see that and I just never
Speaker 1: got hit let to see that? But what films you
Speaker 1: do it? I saw this thing calledure Hereditary. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: Tony Collette terrifying. Yeah, really good. Yeah, I've caught that script.
Speaker 1: I need to read it. It's pretty It's that. That's
Speaker 1: a good filmmaker. It's his first movie and he's gonna
Speaker 1: be doing more. I'm sure. Um what else? I thought?
Speaker 1: Blind Spotting was awesome? He caught that later in the festival.
Speaker 1: That was David Diggs and his writing partner. They wrote it,
Speaker 1: and then I think it's the first time. Okay, he's
Speaker 1: the first time director. Um. It played early in the festival,
Speaker 1: and uh, it's fantastic. What else? The American Animals is
Speaker 1: this movie about the guys that tried to steal the
Speaker 1: auto bond books from this university in Kentucky and they
Speaker 1: were just idiots. So it's kind of like a narrative
Speaker 1: slash document or anything. So some good stuff. I was
Speaker 1: like there a week, so I squeezed a lot in
Speaker 1: were you there last year? Whenever I'm getting lost of years? No,
Speaker 1: I wasn't there last year. I was in Black Panther.
Speaker 1: I never I was there year before because I was
Speaker 1: in some not screen my slips. So I was there
Speaker 1: for that, and then I went to the festival after.
Speaker 1: So it was the Daniels film, right, um, so saw
Speaker 1: me el so I see Craig Robinson film was the
Speaker 1: one set in Germany. It's quite a few films that. Oh,
Speaker 1: the Morris from America, Yeah, and my friend directed that.
Speaker 1: I went to film schooling that director. Yeah. And then
Speaker 1: the Christine that was yeah, yeah, she was fantastic in that.
Speaker 1: What happened to that film? Because I was like, what
Speaker 1: this is gonna be? And then they just don't even
Speaker 1: remember who picked it up? Actually is there's so many
Speaker 1: movies nowadays, things just sadly fade away. And she was
Speaker 1: amazing that and it was like I didn't know the story,
Speaker 1: so it kind of took me by surprise all the
Speaker 1: tons and then it was just like oh wow. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it was the first kind of festival I've been to.
Speaker 1: I've been to Coppon screening in London Film Festival and
Speaker 1: it's the best. I think it was probably the best
Speaker 1: one because like you're seeing people in the twenties and
Speaker 1: he's like, just geeks you about storytelling and you mean,
Speaker 1: it's like and then like a drink and a dance,
Speaker 1: you know, it's you gotta go up to tell your
Speaker 1: right one year. Man, if you've never loved to get
Speaker 1: Christine tells you, it's amazing. We're film, we're filming, we're recording.
Speaker 1: Now we have Daniel Khaluya here, the Oscar nominated star
Speaker 1: of It's also in Black Panther. We'll talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about that too. Um, congratulations on the Oscar nomination.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I mean, it was over a
Speaker 1: year ago that Get Out premiered at Sundance and nearly
Speaker 1: a year ago that it opened in theaters, open on
Speaker 1: School weekend Oscar Weekend. Yeah, I remember how Jordans on
Speaker 1: this show actually that weekend. Um, I don't think either
Speaker 1: of us knew that this was going to be the
Speaker 1: fad for this movie. It's testing to see what it's done. Um.
Speaker 1: You know a lot has happened for you obviously, and
Speaker 1: now you're an Oscar nominated actor. What does this whirlwind
Speaker 1: felt like for you throughout this year? I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it was. It was. It was very surreal because I
Speaker 1: did I did Black Panther, and I did Widows and
Speaker 1: then I kind of went back home to London and
Speaker 1: then I was like, oh, this film is a thing
Speaker 1: because that's like my context. That's like like and then
Speaker 1: I was going back and then I came back to America,
Speaker 1: probably October, and I was like, okay, how it's called bigger.
Speaker 1: I've never experienced anything like that, where usually I do
Speaker 1: a job in two weeks later it kind of disappears
Speaker 1: and something else takes the place. But it was like,
Speaker 1: get up, kept on growing and growing and growing, and
Speaker 1: now I've been here, it keeps on growing and taking
Speaker 1: me to rooms that I never before I could get into.
Speaker 1: So you're like, you're just trying to process it will
Speaker 1: to be honest and yeah, and it's a very it's
Speaker 1: a world would Yeah, has it been like overwhelming it all?
Speaker 1: Because you strike me as like a low key, no
Speaker 1: fuss kind of guy. So has it been just like
Speaker 1: not that you can't handle it, but has it been
Speaker 1: like a lot throughout the year. It's been a it's
Speaker 1: been a it's been a lot just because it's something new,
Speaker 1: you know. So you're trying to go all right, cool,
Speaker 1: what does this mean? What do I do what? And
Speaker 1: the answer is always just be yourself. But like it's
Speaker 1: just kind of like oh, like oh, I mean I'm
Speaker 1: just navigating new spaces. That's that's all it is. And
Speaker 1: it kind of go, oh, I have to go here,
Speaker 1: I have to go there. I forgot, Like it's just
Speaker 1: I mean, like certain events can be overwhelming, like just
Speaker 1: like music festivals and you go out there and people like, okay,
Speaker 1: that's quite kind of like well the first music festival went,
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, I would just go to this.
Speaker 1: Now this is a different experience. And but I try
Speaker 1: and continue to make it about the work because that's
Speaker 1: the heart of it. So it's like like, less, how
Speaker 1: does this help me doing the job that I love
Speaker 1: to do. You know, Yeah, what do you feel like
Speaker 1: I'm always curious about movies that run the gamut from
Speaker 1: Sundance all the way through an ask your season, because
Speaker 1: that's a full year. So do you feel like you
Speaker 1: run out of things to say? Like you've kind of
Speaker 1: it's been wrong out you know, because now as I've
Speaker 1: been filming a lot, I didn't really do that much
Speaker 1: because I was like out of the game, so I
Speaker 1: didn't really commute in England. I didn't so like so
Speaker 1: I've I also, people ask you a question, you just
Speaker 1: engage you with it. Honestly, it's not like it's not
Speaker 1: like it's these answers or whatever I'm talking about is
Speaker 1: foreign to me. It's like it's that it's great. A
Speaker 1: Going said in an interview wants. She was like, the
Speaker 1: stuff that you intellectually know, this stuff you intimately know.
Speaker 1: This is this experiencing get out of stuff that I
Speaker 1: intimately know. So it's kind of like, I don't, I don't.
Speaker 1: It's me you know, you don't have to perform the
Speaker 1: answer question likecause and that's why that's what's quite free
Speaker 1: and about the stuff that I'm a part of at
Speaker 1: the moment, it's just like stuff that is a representation,
Speaker 1: representation of me and my people around me, and then
Speaker 1: I kind of go whenever I can just be honest,
Speaker 1: I mean, and like in every way. So because I
Speaker 1: love Girl as a film, I love Black Fires the film,
Speaker 1: So it's that kind of I don't I think I'm
Speaker 1: gonna love with those as a films always like well cool,
Speaker 1: that's let's just I love Cuicario, Like, let's just just
Speaker 1: keep going, you know. Uh, this was an incredible performance.
Speaker 1: I've said so from before it was posh to say so.
Speaker 1: I thought this was such an incredibly because there's so
Speaker 1: much going on internally, right, I mean, they which had
Speaker 1: to have been both a challenge you know, and a
Speaker 1: delight as an actor to play, I imagine, because the
Speaker 1: work is considerably different when things are so internalized like that.
Speaker 1: But just tell you tell me, I mean, what what
Speaker 1: were the challenges of that aspect of this role because
Speaker 1: he's it's such an observational character in a way, and
Speaker 1: he's he's consistently reacting internally to how things are going
Speaker 1: on around him. So just talk about those challenges. It's
Speaker 1: I mean, they're challenge in the sense that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I learned so much on Sicario and working with that
Speaker 1: group of actors, where the audacity to do nothing, you know,
Speaker 1: the confidence and and and seeing him doing it on
Speaker 1: set and not understanding it but then seeing it on
Speaker 1: screen and go wild. But he was a Toro is
Speaker 1: amazing in that film, Josh is Amazingly's amazing, and I
Speaker 1: kind of it's it's a And then after a year
Speaker 1: and a half off and I kind of had to
Speaker 1: rethink how I saw storytelling, how I saw acting in
Speaker 1: a sense that like I don't want people to see
Speaker 1: him doing it, and I can kinda So it's just
Speaker 1: kind of like if you're playing a real dude, he's
Speaker 1: a real dude, do you mean? And it's like and
Speaker 1: he's going through this, and it's about like people may
Speaker 1: not it may not be the showy role, and you
Speaker 1: have to be okay with people not noticing that you're
Speaker 1: doing what you're doing. But did they notice the story?
Speaker 1: They are they feeling the beats of the story that
Speaker 1: that's the priority for me. So it was me engaging
Speaker 1: with kind of like just kind of death of like
Speaker 1: the acting ego in me, like just kind of go,
Speaker 1: let me just do what I feel feels right and
Speaker 1: and and feels real and and with the internal is
Speaker 1: kind of like I find that. I just find a
Speaker 1: dynamics really interesting. This stuff like I think I'm probably
Speaker 1: doing life, and loads of people do that life. I
Speaker 1: find that interesting. I watch, so I find it interesting
Speaker 1: when someone says a kind of like, especially in the
Speaker 1: professional environment, especially in this industry, people say a lot
Speaker 1: of slick stuff, and I swear absolutely see a lot
Speaker 1: of slick ship. It's encouraged. Okay, let's say a lot
Speaker 1: of slick ship and then like around that's kind of
Speaker 1: like but no one can say it directly because I'm
Speaker 1: from a quite direct tone, so it's I'm having to
Speaker 1: learn that and I can see people react to it,
Speaker 1: but they can't really react to it. So there's there's
Speaker 1: what's being said on paper, what's being said is nothing
Speaker 1: like it doesn't mean anything, but underneath, both parties know
Speaker 1: that there's something happening, and their faces are given hints
Speaker 1: to something that's happening. So I just kind of was like,
Speaker 1: oh that, I find that really. I find it more
Speaker 1: interesting to see in cinema, So it's kind of like,
Speaker 1: let's try and do that, like in but then I
Speaker 1: think I've a with my intern has always been like
Speaker 1: I don't want to feel like I'm showing off what
Speaker 1: I can. I don't. I don't want that. Like even
Speaker 1: when I was doing plays and there was like a
Speaker 1: sequence where I had to like show rage, I'll be like,
Speaker 1: even in Black Mirror, like when I was doing that monologue,
Speaker 1: I'll be like, is it too much? I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't want it. I don't want people to God because
Speaker 1: I probably find that quite overwhelming me. And that's just
Speaker 1: my personal taste. And so we've get out. It was
Speaker 1: just kind of have this in mind, but also as
Speaker 1: well conversates with Jordan and Allison and just going how
Speaker 1: do we ground this amazing genre story, you know, like
Speaker 1: and and I just I just kind of felt and
Speaker 1: that Jordan was like minded about, like you have to
Speaker 1: believe this character and believe this relationship and believe that
Speaker 1: this is real, which grounds all the kind of supernatural
Speaker 1: or other worldly like genre elements to the piece. If
Speaker 1: it's grounded, you know, and you're you're way more likely
Speaker 1: to believe a lot of more stuff, this stuff that's real,
Speaker 1: but you don't even believe you mean, it's like because
Speaker 1: of the gravity at the center of it isn't it's routed, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that plays up kind of just the psychological like
Speaker 1: things are big, feel like they might be bigger in
Speaker 1: your head and the character's head than they are, but
Speaker 1: we see that they're not. But it just it's another
Speaker 1: dimension of just the performance and the writing in the
Speaker 1: direction that makes it such a multi tiered kind of project.
Speaker 1: You know, um talk about the the improvisation aspect and
Speaker 1: how that affected some of this, because I understand there
Speaker 1: was some improvisation with these scenes. I mean mean us
Speaker 1: and a team, like like the main cost and Jordan
Speaker 1: went to the house and in Alabama and we kind
Speaker 1: of just watch up the scenes, watch up the scenes
Speaker 1: here what a lot of the the hypnotism seen some
Speaker 1: of it, a lot of keen those lines was a
Speaker 1: brilliant limit it was wasn't was it on paper? And
Speaker 1: it was just like because she's putting the pressure onto
Speaker 1: and she's duping Chris, She's like trying to manipulate him
Speaker 1: and get him into it but not feel like it
Speaker 1: is and he's just trying to be a good boy.
Speaker 1: And like the lake scene when before Chris talks about
Speaker 1: his mom and stuff, like that that bit when he's
Speaker 1: like I want to go, I want to go, And
Speaker 1: that was all improv. That was all like and and
Speaker 1: it takes some really really confident director to kind of
Speaker 1: trust that, like trust who he's who he's cast too,
Speaker 1: to go, oh, like tell me what you think, give
Speaker 1: me what you think, or like we're losing light and
Speaker 1: he was like keeps on longpowering us to god, what
Speaker 1: do you feel? How do you feel? Just do do
Speaker 1: what you feel and throwing things out and coming back.
Speaker 1: It's like, especially especially in the scenes between me and Allison,
Speaker 1: there was a lot of improv and I think it
Speaker 1: was necessary because you wanted to you want to buy
Speaker 1: into their love. You wanted to buy into that that
Speaker 1: relationship small talk and that's not that's intangible. That's just
Speaker 1: like you want to think us that they really like
Speaker 1: each other. But you can't just say I love you.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's not that's not what's that I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like you have to go what do they have
Speaker 1: a shorthand do they have this? They have that? So
Speaker 1: it was like and Allison, who's brilliant, got it in
Speaker 1: prop background and Jordan's so it's just to make it
Speaker 1: feel immediate and make it feel like I always love
Speaker 1: performances like that. I mean, Shane Meadows and Films is
Speaker 1: an incredible book for that. When you kind of a
Speaker 1: what is that like? Well, when they do and the
Speaker 1: character made something, I'd see that in life, but I'd
Speaker 1: never see that in film, and you go, why not? Like,
Speaker 1: and then I thought, there's a lot of moments and
Speaker 1: get out there just feels like what a person would do,
Speaker 1: but it's really specific and idiosyncratic of that individual character,
Speaker 1: and Juldan gave us a space to kind of do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of talk about genre with this film,
Speaker 1: and it's a very just unclassifiable film in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways. But I wanted to talk about the tight
Speaker 1: rope walk with the comedic elements because, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I talked to Jordan's roughly a year ago and he
Speaker 1: was talking about how exercising the comedic aspect of his
Speaker 1: brain really informed a lot of just the horror elements
Speaker 1: that he was writing, because they're kind of two sides
Speaker 1: of the same coin. And I'm just curious if there
Speaker 1: was any kind of discussion about that, or you know,
Speaker 1: even just like insinuations about that just how how did
Speaker 1: that tight rope walk work? I think it's it goes
Speaker 1: into the decisions that Jordan makings. Who were who we?
Speaker 1: Cause I think everyone in the cars has comedic bones.
Speaker 1: So it's not a stretch. It's kind of like I
Speaker 1: just feel like Tonally is like I just love pieces
Speaker 1: like get Out and like loads of stuff that I've
Speaker 1: done has always had a hint of comedy or it
Speaker 1: has been comedy. Based on this show called Cycle, it's
Speaker 1: like a horror comedy. That's it's And so it's kind
Speaker 1: of like walking that because I just think that's what
Speaker 1: life like. That's what life's like, like life drama, right
Speaker 1: that I just thought it isn't Life isn't like life
Speaker 1: isn't just a comedy. Life is sometimes horrifying. Life sometimes terrifying.
Speaker 1: Life is sometimes science fiction. We walk around with these
Speaker 1: devices in our pockets that we can watch any series
Speaker 1: around the world if we download the right app, and
Speaker 1: that's illegal. I mean it's like, I mean it's like
Speaker 1: like like you know, if there's all elements and all
Speaker 1: faculties that we that we we navigate so them like, well,
Speaker 1: then like I just expect script to reflect that reflect
Speaker 1: that that but doesn't mean it. It doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be truth as long as it's truthful. It's not like
Speaker 1: we're playing it for comedy. We're playing because he's a
Speaker 1: friend who's trying to tell like a friend, like to
Speaker 1: get the funk out of the house. Like it's like, motherfucker,
Speaker 1: get out of the house. Like I mean, it's like
Speaker 1: it's like and his way of saying it, it's comedic,
Speaker 1: but there's truth in it. It's like you're gonna be
Speaker 1: a sex slip because he probably think because that's how
Speaker 1: his brain works. It's like they cut nigger's heads off
Speaker 1: and feed them to me, and it's like that. But
Speaker 1: everyone has that person in their life, you know, Like
Speaker 1: I just think everyone has that like so and that
Speaker 1: person is being honest. It's just how they're doing it.
Speaker 1: It's done. But that person isn't living a comedy I mean.
Speaker 1: And so it's Um, I think what Jordan is we've
Speaker 1: been joining of bending is just being honest about the
Speaker 1: laugh experience. No, you're right, I mean we laugh every day.
Speaker 1: We're scared every day and dramatic things happen every day.
Speaker 1: You're you're absolutely right, Um, talk about shooting in Alabama,
Speaker 1: what was that, Like I spoke to the dp UM before. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can tell me before a column I write every
Speaker 1: year about the top ten shots of the year, and
Speaker 1: the first shot of you going into the sunken place
Speaker 1: is what I chose. And he told me about shooting
Speaker 1: that in a civic center auditorium thing, and Alabama is
Speaker 1: just kind of a movie magic. But yeah, just talk
Speaker 1: about shooting in that location and what the environment kind
Speaker 1: of did for you and your performance. I mean it
Speaker 1: was a couple of Confederate flags, but yeah, maybe when
Speaker 1: I was going to my weekly shot, I mean using
Speaker 1: fair Hoop, Alabama, which is like a small small town,
Speaker 1: like more of a retirement kind of time, it was
Speaker 1: always pretty chill. I I don't know, like I feel
Speaker 1: I didn't. I mean, it's the twenty few day shoot
Speaker 1: actually see and I was like an other bus. I
Speaker 1: didn't really get to see Alabama in that kind of
Speaker 1: way of just little kind of trips. But it was
Speaker 1: it was more of like kind of like that we
Speaker 1: came where we went away. It was like the Republican
Speaker 1: candidate debate was on, you know, and and to understanding
Speaker 1: this the context that Chris is in and knowing that
Speaker 1: that's being that's at that that's happening. At that time,
Speaker 1: it was was really in. They didn't inform our conversations
Speaker 1: whilst we were making it. You know, there was like
Speaker 1: loads of elements just being in. Being in America shows that.
Speaker 1: And then it's prep. It's more pronounced when you're not
Speaker 1: driving or walking down the street and you see Trump posters,
Speaker 1: you know, like, yeah, that's just the world we live in,
Speaker 1: and they believe in it. So it's like, and that's
Speaker 1: what one of Chris's fears, you know, like those those
Speaker 1: people that just don't indifferent to racism. It's not even
Speaker 1: like they're racist, are just indifferent, which is it's scarier.
Speaker 1: It's just like whatever, I mean, it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: what wrong is happening? And they keet the moving. I
Speaker 1: always thought the most the scariest character, and in twelve
Speaker 1: years of Slave was was spending at Comma batches because
Speaker 1: he knows what's good and what's right, but he turns
Speaker 1: his back, you know, he doeses to stand up for
Speaker 1: Sulomon Norfolk, and I find that I find that fascinating,
Speaker 1: you know. So so yeah, well, the morning of the
Speaker 1: Oscar nominations, what was your first phone call Christy, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was congratulation. It was very, very very surreal. It
Speaker 1: was yeah. And then and then I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: let me engage with what because I put my phone
Speaker 1: in another room and then and then like my phone
Speaker 1: just went crazy. And then I was like, I gotta
Speaker 1: FaceTime mom. So I told my mom. I didn't not.
Speaker 1: I think she was just chilling like she wanted to.
Speaker 1: I was at ways usually weren't what you meaning? And
Speaker 1: then and then I say like, and then told her
Speaker 1: and then just worked a couple of friends and a
Speaker 1: couple of people, was worked to my managers out here. Um,
Speaker 1: it was very it's very I'm still going through it,
Speaker 1: you know. It's it's life changing. It's life changing for me.
Speaker 1: But I'm trying to figure out what's changing, you know,
Speaker 1: and and uh, and then what do I want to do?
Speaker 1: Like you mean that do I change what I want
Speaker 1: to do because of this recognition? Like you mean, it's
Speaker 1: like it's always like just that's the trick, finding finding
Speaker 1: your center and the midst of all that. You know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have to, yeah, like you have to. It's like
Speaker 1: I did get out because I believed in it. Like
Speaker 1: so this success is amazing, but the success is meant
Speaker 1: just wanted to connect with an audience like someone watching it.
Speaker 1: I wanted you to feel something. That's it like, even
Speaker 1: if you hate, at least you felt something, you know.
Speaker 1: I think the worst bit is when it's met, when
Speaker 1: it's average, when it's I mean, it's like so you
Speaker 1: can't control that. There's always it's just been a ride
Speaker 1: that's kind of gone grown and grown and growing. And yeah,
Speaker 1: well I wanted to touch on Black Panther, which I
Speaker 1: saw last night. Yea, oh man, it's it's got something
Speaker 1: to say. It's it's it's pretty, it's pretty. I love Ryan.
Speaker 1: I was one of the great, one of the great,
Speaker 1: just in my experience conversationalists, just as an interviewer, as
Speaker 1: an interviewee. Uh. And he's just such a good guy
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm really happy that he got this opportunity.
Speaker 1: So you tell me what it was like from your
Speaker 1: perspective working on with him and working on a film
Speaker 1: of this scope. I mean, it's uh, you know, considerably different,
Speaker 1: right it was. It's like, I mean, Ryan cool, we scotted.
Speaker 1: He saw a short film I did called Baby Daniel Malloy.
Speaker 1: I did that in twenty ten and he saw that
Speaker 1: years gone and he said that he'd been watching me
Speaker 1: in a couple of things and then he uh and
Speaker 1: then he Scott had I was doing his plane and
Speaker 1: I did a matinee and there was no way find
Speaker 1: and buildings like across the road to this coffee shop
Speaker 1: had to buy nuts because it had to stay in
Speaker 1: the coffee shop. So I can use the wildfire so
Speaker 1: I can scrape right and skype him trying to hide
Speaker 1: the thing. And then like he was just we just
Speaker 1: talk about creed because it was a lot of it
Speaker 1: based in the UK, and it was talking about like
Speaker 1: the UK rap scene and stuff like that, and he's
Speaker 1: just we just connected and then like he was like
Speaker 1: we Mutch need to be part of it. And then
Speaker 1: then I am. We kept on having conversations and and
Speaker 1: and and I would just really I bought into into
Speaker 1: what kinda like I kind of do shops to learn stuff.
Speaker 1: I think it's amazing that like I can go into
Speaker 1: another world and find out things. So I've done to
Speaker 1: play about the Congo season the Congo and it was
Speaker 1: about Katanga, which is this district in Congo where all
Speaker 1: the material comp remember the right material but all the material,
Speaker 1: our phones and everything is from katangas, And so what
Speaker 1: kind of is the inverse of that? Because we will
Speaker 1: benefit from katanga but what and it's keeping it to
Speaker 1: itself and just that debate and and and just that
Speaker 1: kind of in that that thing where like you know,
Speaker 1: if if you're I don't know, I mean, I can't
Speaker 1: speak for everyone. I can stay speak for my area
Speaker 1: of my experiences. But when you're black, like and if
Speaker 1: you're you've got money, or if you show that you
Speaker 1: have money growing up, you get your target, you get robbed.
Speaker 1: You mean, it's that that kind of relationships in in
Speaker 1: when you have you have to hide in order to sustain,
Speaker 1: in order to keep it because people will take it
Speaker 1: and think it's yours and and appropriate or do what
Speaker 1: they need to do. And I just felt that, like
Speaker 1: that just interests me, And that was just I thought
Speaker 1: it was a major theme. I mean, it is that
Speaker 1: like the whether the open the borders or not, it's
Speaker 1: just a major theme within Black Panther. And so it's
Speaker 1: just like then them to do it in an entertaining
Speaker 1: way that the common man and woman could just go WHOA,
Speaker 1: Like this is a cool film within a massive Marvel
Speaker 1: films that I was intrigued by doing a block asked her,
Speaker 1: like this, like doing a film at this scale and
Speaker 1: seeing what that experiences. I twenty eight. When I did that,
Speaker 1: I was twenty seven. I did Gaps twenty said, I'm
Speaker 1: just like like figuring it out, Like I'm not I
Speaker 1: don't have a master plan. I just kind of go
Speaker 1: with what I feel and then I go oh cool,
Speaker 1: like and then I come to then moving forward, I'm
Speaker 1: more informed, you know, And it's just about like not
Speaker 1: being scared to make mistakes or or trip or even
Speaker 1: majority of time people are scared for things to go right.
Speaker 1: I mean, so it's like that's what what drew me
Speaker 1: to this. It was this experience with Ryan Coogler at
Speaker 1: the Home with what is with the time that is
Speaker 1: with it? It's an African superhero movie, like Jimman, it's
Speaker 1: like to be a part of it, and then being
Speaker 1: part this cast, the people, parties crew, like the head
Speaker 1: of departments killed this film, like you mean, it's like
Speaker 1: it's it was a very important experience with me. Rachel
Speaker 1: was actually on my flight back from Sunday. Yeah, she
Speaker 1: was like, I'm looking forward to this movie she's like,
Speaker 1: there's so much hype around this movie. But I mean,
Speaker 1: you know with good reason. You also just worked with
Speaker 1: Steve McQueen. You mentioned it earlier on Widows. Um, you
Speaker 1: know what was that like? Oh Steve, he's a good
Speaker 1: good man. I love that guy. Man, he's such a
Speaker 1: speaks his mind. I like that. That's when I'm trying
Speaker 1: to say, I'll come from a direct household. He's a
Speaker 1: direct dude. Mean, so I get it. I think he
Speaker 1: like I think like like, I think some people find
Speaker 1: him in timid Day and I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 1: He's just honest. It's like, and he's very intuitive. He's
Speaker 1: very he can sniff it, he can sniff you. I
Speaker 1: mean he's like you know, if you think you met
Speaker 1: him right, you know, he's a he's a sniffer. He's
Speaker 1: a saucer. He's like a kind of figures figures out
Speaker 1: real quick. You know what I mean, and and like
Speaker 1: and think it's what motivates you and what you're about.
Speaker 1: So that whole experience was so amazing man, Like I mean,
Speaker 1: Sean Bobbitt, it's like it's a highest film. Signed Violet
Speaker 1: Davis Davis directed by Steve McQueen shot by shot, Bobby like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch that film. I'm gonna watch the fucking
Speaker 1: ship out of that film. There's like anyway like all
Speaker 1: these I was gonna watch the shut out. So it's
Speaker 1: like it was a blessing and he just cares and
Speaker 1: he's open. Like that's what It's so interesting being like
Speaker 1: these people that I'm a fan of and they're so
Speaker 1: talented and such visionaries, are just so open to your ideas.
Speaker 1: I mean, they could just close off because I know,
Speaker 1: everything shut up like, but but they don't. I mean,
Speaker 1: and maybe that's kind of like symptomatic of of what
Speaker 1: why it makes him so like see like they kind
Speaker 1: of said the boundary because Steve kind of like there
Speaker 1: was a point where I was my first day, had
Speaker 1: a really big scene for my first day. I was
Speaker 1: really nervous, and he was just like I was like,
Speaker 1: what you thinking this? But this how they decide? He
Speaker 1: goes listen. It's like it isn't surprised me, surprise yourself,
Speaker 1: you know. And and that's like correct boundaries, do what
Speaker 1: you want within those boundaries. It's really empowering and and
Speaker 1: I'm really excited for that film. Yeah, We've spent a
Speaker 1: lot of time here talking to about the things you've
Speaker 1: been learning, and I'm curious, but you know, with these
Speaker 1: this progression of these three films, Get Out, Black Panther, Widows,
Speaker 1: what is there anything definitive that you've learned in terms
Speaker 1: of what you do and don't want to do going forward?
Speaker 1: Do more of the same thing a kind of a
Speaker 1: kind of just like just following your gun man, like
Speaker 1: it really excites like me, like really excites me, Like
Speaker 1: get out, you go to get Out. You're like, I
Speaker 1: don't know what's going to happen after this comes out,
Speaker 1: because it's never been anything like it. I'll go to
Speaker 1: a Black Panther, I don't know what. I don't know
Speaker 1: what's going to happen after FOBUS sixty if. I don't
Speaker 1: know how it's going to be received because it's never
Speaker 1: been anything like this, Widows, I have no idea what's
Speaker 1: going to happen after that? I mean, and it's like, well,
Speaker 1: that's what we're here for, kind of like why are
Speaker 1: we doing it? Intrigues me that people work in the
Speaker 1: creative industry but don't handle their careers creatively. They kind
Speaker 1: of have a formulaic white. They have to have order.
Speaker 1: But it's like like it's like, let's see where this goes.
Speaker 1: I mean, let's like one of my favorites saying is
Speaker 1: do something, start small, start local, keep going this comedical.
Speaker 1: Josey Long said it, and it's like just like now
Speaker 1: that's all I've done. It's kind of do certain stuff.
Speaker 1: We'll start to keep and just keep going. So it's
Speaker 1: like there was something that after Shotario, like it took
Speaker 1: a year and a half off and that kind of
Speaker 1: was like and it's kind of those conversations, those thoughts,
Speaker 1: those ideas that reading has informed where I'm at right now.
Speaker 1: Then I need to go off again and then process everything.
Speaker 1: There's a lot's happened, and so like, Okay, what did
Speaker 1: I like? When I didn't like? What I don't like?
Speaker 1: What I didn't like? Well, they're like, how do I
Speaker 1: want me for what I'm What am I here for?
Speaker 1: What am I doing? Whom I sucking up and saying
Speaker 1: like because if we're here to fu shut up? I mean,
Speaker 1: and then if you're not, then what you're doing appreciate.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that headline, but like like like Jeremy and
Speaker 1: say it's like like what how we how how are
Speaker 1: we doing this? You know, and like like and I
Speaker 1: have to let this whole year and a half by
Speaker 1: the end of it inform me moving forward because I've
Speaker 1: worked with people I deeply respect on and off the camera,
Speaker 1: you know, in every department. So it's like kind of
Speaker 1: like we'll see what happens and then I don't know.
Speaker 1: And that's why I think it's exciting. Is that the
Speaker 1: plan to take some time off again, that's the kind
Speaker 1: of the thing I also undercover of all it's been, right,
Speaker 1: and so I think I need to I think I
Speaker 1: need to take you have to. I think I think
Speaker 1: we're creating, like it's creative. So it's kind of like
Speaker 1: you need to see what's going on. You mean, you
Speaker 1: need to see what's going and like when we want
Speaker 1: to do something, why am I going to do it?
Speaker 1: Why was it doing? Who's it empowering? You know? Who's
Speaker 1: it empowering? Like, who's it? Who's it? Who? Why? You know,
Speaker 1: it's like just understanding that you not it's it's not
Speaker 1: a treadmill. We were working for for empowerment, to deliberate us.
Speaker 1: I would like to work to a space where I
Speaker 1: feel more cage doesn't make sense to me. So you
Speaker 1: want to have more control, more agency within within your life,
Speaker 1: you know, definitely, well I wish you well going forward
Speaker 1: on that. And again the movies are called Get Out,
Speaker 1: which you can see on you know DVD blue right
Speaker 1: now if you haven't already, If you haven't, come on man,
Speaker 1: get with it. And Black Panther is February sixteen, every
Speaker 1: six every twelve in England. There you go go see
Speaker 1: that one. I'm pretty sure you'll be hearing some things
Speaker 1: about it. Daniel Cluia, thank you for coming on my show. Man.
Speaker 1: Appreciate you got your tooth rush? Do you have your
Speaker 1: Do you have your cozy clothes? Do they know I'm black?
Speaker 1: You might want to you know, mom and dad, my
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Speaker 1: So you guys coming up from the city, Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: just heading up for the weekend. Can I see your
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Speaker 1: my man? So how long has this been going on?
Speaker 1: We hired Georgina and Walter to help care for my
Speaker 1: parents when they died. I couldn't bear to let him go.
Speaker 1: Do you smoke confront of my daughter with a quick
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