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Speaker 1: I have no opening statement ready to go.

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Speaker 2: Steve was just talking about how Kyle was talking about

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Speaker 2: they're three and ten, but.

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Speaker 3: Please don't you know to message with the team. Do

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Speaker 3: now look at three and ten?

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Speaker 2: These guys can actually you know that they're on the

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Speaker 2: I guess I'll swing. Does that resonate with you from

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Speaker 2: what you see?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I records. Really, you know, when losing games comes

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Speaker 1: down to a lot of things that happen in a game.

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Speaker 1: You know it turnovers and you make a kick, you

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Speaker 1: don't make a kick, things like that. You look at

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Speaker 1: the team, You look at the players that your guys

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Speaker 1: are going against. You look at the side of the

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Speaker 1: ball you're out going against them. You evaluate those players,

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Speaker 1: you evaluate the scheme, and you look at what the

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Speaker 1: challenges and what you have to do every week, and

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Speaker 1: it's just you get so I think ground down on

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Speaker 1: the minutia and you try to just stay in that

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Speaker 1: world of, hey, we got to take care of this,

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Speaker 1: where I got to do with my job, that the

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Speaker 1: big picture thing just really doesn't doesn't weigh that heavily

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Speaker 1: on what the record is, are where they're headed or

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Speaker 1: what they're doing, And so you know there's tons of

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Speaker 1: stories about past teams on where you have you know,

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Speaker 1: you've been in a situation where your record isn't quite

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Speaker 1: as good, and shoot, these games become like playoff games

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Speaker 1: for you at the end of the season. Your team's

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Speaker 1: building towards something next season, and so on and so.

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Speaker 1: But all that stuff really doesn't matter. What we got

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Speaker 1: to do is take care of business. What our job

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Speaker 1: is every single play and do the best that we can.

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Speaker 1: And that's where the focus is.

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Speaker 3: Okay in Rock said.

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Speaker 4: He noticed that Jama Autives was flat footed and the

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Speaker 4: fact that he recognized that before the play on Deevo's touchdown.

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Speaker 3: Is that something that you don't see as often in

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Speaker 1: Uh, you know, every every guy, you know, you look

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Speaker 1: at some different every single play. So I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean he's an experienced thrower. You know, he's played

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Speaker 1: quarter you know, we've talked about what a good quarterback

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Speaker 1: he's been through the years. As far as he's played

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Speaker 1: the position. He understands the position and these are things

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Speaker 1: who knows when he picked that up during the course

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Speaker 1: of his career. You know, you never know. Every guy's different.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you're amazed when a guy comes in from college

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Speaker 1: football and the things he's he knows and then you're

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Speaker 1: having to teach them that. So you never know, he

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Speaker 1: might have picked that up in you know, sophomore year

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Speaker 1: high school football, noticing flat footed defenders and things like that,

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Speaker 1: or he might have just you know, picked it up

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Speaker 1: don't know. You'd have to ask him that, but you

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Speaker 1: know he does continue to do really really good things

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Speaker 1: and and things that seem to put him, you know,

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Speaker 4: Is the culture here made things self sustaining sort of

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Speaker 4: for a coach. I mean, do you not have to

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Speaker 4: this guy going today because you know they're they're looking

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Speaker 1: Well, I think it's it's it's both things. You know,

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Speaker 1: I think that you know, you always go back to

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Speaker 1: we've talked about I know John and Kyle have talked

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Speaker 1: to draft players and you know he braw players in

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Speaker 1: they haven't worked out, they've worked out. But the type

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Speaker 1: what our quote unquote culture is. I go back to

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Speaker 1: it starts. It really does start with how Kyle. The

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Speaker 1: a degree. But we have to stay on it every

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Speaker 1: single day. It's not like that don't come to work.

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Speaker 1: I know that if I'm not doing something right, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna hear about it. If one of my players isn't

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Speaker 1: they're gonna hear about it. For me, they're gonna hear

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Speaker 1: it really does. Kyle is just very demanding of all

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Speaker 5: You see guy like Kyle you Check and tries to

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Speaker 5: show you every day all the different things that he

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Speaker 5: can do, and and other fullbacks around the league that

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Speaker 5: seems like they've kind of embreased that more. You've been

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Speaker 1: Well for us, You know, it really is, because the

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Speaker 1: still put the guy the full back in the backfield.

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Speaker 1: This thing is shaking and and and put you in

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Speaker 1: There's an advantage to how you can cut the defense,

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Speaker 1: you really don't there's a lot of you don't have

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Speaker 1: that that advantage that Kyle gives us, and that it

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Speaker 1: I think what happened was I ran into it when

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Speaker 1: with Frank Wychek's passing the Music City Miracle. One of

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Speaker 1: You have leverage on everybody's going to block. Well, Zoe

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Speaker 1: Fullback on the field, there's more things available there really are.

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Speaker 1: There's just more end moving tight ends. It's all the

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Speaker 1: You cut the defense and with the fullback and it

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Speaker 6: A prominent downfield blocking by wide receivers in this last

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Speaker 6: game as they're having been throughout the season and imploring

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Speaker 6: how how Kyle, how you or how Leonard kind of

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Speaker 1: You caught me in a minute with Leonard called Hanes Hank.

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Speaker 1: Jwan's on there a bunch this year, they all do.

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Speaker 1: I'll go back when I was when I first started

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Speaker 1: working with Kyle and Mike Shanahan and Washington. Every Friday

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Speaker 1: we had what we called the run Meeting. And what

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Speaker 1: not carrying out the fake. And it became his chance

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Speaker 1: watch everybody's meetings. He could go from meeting room to

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