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Speaker 1: School of Humans. Oh hello, welcome to another episode of

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Speaker 1: Cadaver Gals, the show where we talk about the many

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Speaker 1: ways people have died throughout time and space to cope

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Speaker 1: with our own mortality. I'm your host, Gabby, along with

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Speaker 1: Taylor Hello, and Nika Hi, and we're all here ready

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Speaker 1: to talk about some fun subjects. Today. We got two

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Speaker 1: hot and heavy stories. We got one about a nail

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Speaker 1: salon visit going wrong, very wrong. And then we're also

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Speaker 1: going to talk about a lady who done exploded question

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Speaker 1: mark did she? We don't know, we'll see. As always,

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Speaker 1: we'll be talking about a lot of messed up stuff.

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Speaker 1: So if you're sensitive to blood and guts and death

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Speaker 1: and women talking together, the show might not be for you.

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Speaker 1: Okay that women talking together? Eat three women talking together?

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Speaker 1: Be warned, firing conspiring. Yes, And our content and trigger

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Speaker 1: warnings for today are nasty scan, bacterial infections, open wounds, water, fire,

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Speaker 1: severed limbs in multiple cases. So that's gonna be fun.

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Speaker 1: And I hope that you guys really just enjoy this

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Speaker 1: show today. This is Cadaver Gals. Okay, Oh wow. I

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Speaker 1: feel like our impression of the theme song gets better

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Speaker 1: instead of doing the theme song, which is just the

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Speaker 1: same thing over and over again. Yes, yes, all right,

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Speaker 1: So our first story today is coming at us from

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Speaker 1: the one and only Nika, and I feel like you

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Speaker 1: have a personal connection to this because of nails. I do.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I didn't realize I was gonna be

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Speaker 1: the first one. So let's get into it. Let's get

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Speaker 1: into it. Yes, I love getting my nails done. I

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Speaker 1: love having long, pointy nails. I love feeling protected by them,

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Speaker 1: like I could gouge out someone's eyes. Are definitely weapons.

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Speaker 1: They are weapons. Oh yeah, tell us about your nails

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Speaker 1: right now, because they're fabulous. Thank you. So right now

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Speaker 1: I am wearing coffin. They're actually press on nails because

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Speaker 1: obviously right now quarantine cannot go to the nail salon.

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Speaker 1: But they're pressons. They are dark green with a little

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Speaker 1: moo pattern in the ring fingernail, and they are coffin

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Speaker 1: a cow pattern. I like a moo pattern. Don't get

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Speaker 1: me wrong, right exactly. I knew what you know. That

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Speaker 1: was embarrassing, but yeah, they just empower me. I love it,

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Speaker 1: and so I go to the nail salon. Or I

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Speaker 1: used to go to nail salon quite a lot. I

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Speaker 1: would actually go to a very specific nail salon in

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Speaker 1: physically hold your purse at all times. But it was

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Speaker 1: That being said, since quarantine COVID the whole thing started,

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Speaker 1: I realized it's a very unsanitary nail salon, extremely unsanitary.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm surprised I have not gotten an infection in

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Speaker 1: my nails yet. Oh no, I know. So since then,

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Speaker 1: further ado, we're going to Knoxville, Tennessee. It is twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: so far away. Oh my god, that was so recent,

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Speaker 1: but that was such a nice time. We were so ignorant,

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Speaker 1: just waiting, not lives. We were traveling. Honestly, there was

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen Knoxville, let's get there. Take twenty nineteen Knoxville, Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: This woman with this fabulous Southern accent that I will

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Speaker 1: not try to emulate. She went to go get her

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Speaker 1: Jazzy Nail Bar. So jazzy that name. Well, you're not

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Speaker 1: I'll say this right now, my thumb has been throbbing

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Speaker 1: already stresses me out. Okay, Yeah, if you're a hypochondriac,

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Speaker 1: don't recommend listening to this story. So listeners, though Nika

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Speaker 1: does still have her thumbs, I have, Yes, they're right here.

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Speaker 1: they immediately were like, oh boy, you have flush eating bacteria.

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, oh boy, goodya gun Drops. Now, let's let's

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Speaker 1: thing it is. It's a bacterial infection. It's called necrotizing fasciitis.

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Speaker 1: It's super rare and it spreads very quickly and essentially

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Speaker 1: Here are the symptoms. They are terrifying. Yes, you're welcome.

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Speaker 1: How do you know you have it well? According to

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Speaker 1: pain out of proportion. So for example, if you have

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Speaker 1: skin produces gases. Don't like that, so it's like farting bacteria.

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Speaker 1: I literally, I'm so disgusted. Honestly, You're welcome. I'm canceling you.

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Speaker 1: of these is called Vibrio bacteria and it lives in

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Speaker 1: just like a purple corn dog, probably like a little

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Speaker 1: the little floodgellum. Is that what that's called. Yes, it's

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Speaker 1: flagon away, yes, precisely. But one of the species of

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Speaker 1: Vibrio infects shellfish, and this is the reason why sometimes

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Speaker 1: I see, I understand. There's been twenty two cases in Florida,

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Speaker 1: This episode? Should we take on global warming? Yeah? I

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Speaker 1: mean once we get tennessee Williams zoom, then we can

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Speaker 1: go on to climate change. Okay, we've got a lot

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Speaker 1: but some speculation. Yeah, that's just no anyway, So miss Carpenter,

420
00:24:58,285 --> 00:25:01,605
Speaker 1: the sweet Landlady trortly after the encounter, after realizing that

421
00:25:01,645 --> 00:25:04,085
Speaker 1: Mary was down, she was like, you know what, I'm

422
00:25:04,125 --> 00:25:07,285
Speaker 1: gonna go get her some ice cream. So on her

423
00:25:07,285 --> 00:25:09,085
Speaker 1: way back she went to go get the pick up

424
00:25:09,085 --> 00:25:11,205
Speaker 1: the ice cream, and then on her way back she

425
00:25:11,325 --> 00:25:13,645
Speaker 1: notices that the lights were out and the radio was off,

426
00:25:13,685 --> 00:25:15,805
Speaker 1: so she was assumed that she had gone to bed

427
00:25:15,965 --> 00:25:18,325
Speaker 1: and didn't want to wake her and figured she would

428
00:25:18,365 --> 00:25:20,245
Speaker 1: just go check on her in the morning. I just

429
00:25:20,285 --> 00:25:22,525
Speaker 1: think that's really sweet. When neighbors were sweet like that,

430
00:25:22,525 --> 00:25:27,165
Speaker 1: that is so sweet. Yeah, I don't know. I'm very like,

431
00:25:27,365 --> 00:25:28,845
Speaker 1: I don't look at my neighbors, I don't talk to

432
00:25:28,845 --> 00:25:30,925
Speaker 1: my neighbors, or I used to be, and I was

433
00:25:30,965 --> 00:25:32,925
Speaker 1: definitely because I don't know, I feel like I'm Colombian.

434
00:25:32,965 --> 00:25:35,885
Speaker 1: We just assume everyone's out to get us. In an

435
00:25:35,925 --> 00:25:39,405
Speaker 1: immigrant so I just like keep to myself. But since

436
00:25:39,485 --> 00:25:42,525
Speaker 1: I got this house, I've actually been really friendly to

437
00:25:42,525 --> 00:25:45,085
Speaker 1: my neighbors and it's actually been super sweet. Sometimes I'd

438
00:25:45,085 --> 00:25:46,765
Speaker 1: be like, hey, do you need me to pick anything

439
00:25:46,845 --> 00:25:49,045
Speaker 1: up for you? And she's a sweet old lady and

440
00:25:49,125 --> 00:25:51,445
Speaker 1: she's like, yes, this, And then one time I came

441
00:25:51,485 --> 00:25:53,285
Speaker 1: back with what she needed, but it wasn't the brand

442
00:25:53,325 --> 00:25:57,325
Speaker 1: that she wanted. And listen, she has an attitude. I'll

443
00:25:57,365 --> 00:26:00,005
Speaker 1: tell you that. All she does all day is sit

444
00:26:00,085 --> 00:26:02,605
Speaker 1: on her porch and watch the neighborhood and smoke wheat.

445
00:26:02,645 --> 00:26:05,885
Speaker 1: It's amazing. I came back and I was like, like,

446
00:26:05,925 --> 00:26:07,725
Speaker 1: this is for you, and she's kind of intimidating, and

447
00:26:07,765 --> 00:26:09,285
Speaker 1: she was like, this isn't the brand I want to know.

448
00:26:09,365 --> 00:26:10,725
Speaker 1: I was like, is it going to do his job?

449
00:26:10,805 --> 00:26:12,685
Speaker 1: She was like well yeah, And I was like, you're welcome.

450
00:26:15,285 --> 00:26:17,165
Speaker 1: Why did you go standing up for yourself? I don't

451
00:26:17,165 --> 00:26:20,325
Speaker 1: think I could ever in front of the older women

452
00:26:20,405 --> 00:26:22,605
Speaker 1: I think I have. It's difficult to be like, oh,

453
00:26:22,725 --> 00:26:25,845
Speaker 1: let me say anything to dynamic. That time, when I

454
00:26:25,845 --> 00:26:27,845
Speaker 1: told her I had, she was like, where's your where's

455
00:26:27,845 --> 00:26:29,645
Speaker 1: your boyfriend? I was like, oh, we broke up? And

456
00:26:29,725 --> 00:26:32,445
Speaker 1: she literally said, I'm not kidding. She said, I knew

457
00:26:32,485 --> 00:26:39,205
Speaker 1: that was coming. Incredible. Okay, anyway, sorry, but Mary didn't

458
00:26:39,205 --> 00:26:41,485
Speaker 1: get her ice cream. No, she didn't get her ice cream.

459
00:26:41,565 --> 00:26:44,885
Speaker 1: So Miss Carpenter, she said that at about five am,

460
00:26:44,925 --> 00:26:47,405
Speaker 1: you know. The following morning, she while she was asleep,

461
00:26:47,765 --> 00:26:50,325
Speaker 1: she heard a thud, got up to check things out.

462
00:26:50,725 --> 00:26:52,805
Speaker 1: She hurt. She thought that like maybe it was like

463
00:26:52,845 --> 00:26:54,925
Speaker 1: the water heater or something, so she turned it off,

464
00:26:54,965 --> 00:26:57,045
Speaker 1: but like nothing seemed to miss. So she went back

465
00:26:57,085 --> 00:27:00,685
Speaker 1: to sleep. And then in the morning a boy stopped

466
00:27:00,725 --> 00:27:04,045
Speaker 1: by with a telegram for Mary and was like, where

467
00:27:04,045 --> 00:27:07,045
Speaker 1: do I find Mary's apartment? And Miss Carpenter said, don't

468
00:27:07,085 --> 00:27:10,005
Speaker 1: you worry, I'll take it to her. I also need

469
00:27:10,045 --> 00:27:12,125
Speaker 1: to bring her her paper, and I want to go

470
00:27:12,205 --> 00:27:15,725
Speaker 1: check on her. So she went up to go check

471
00:27:15,765 --> 00:27:18,085
Speaker 1: on her and went to go like open the door,

472
00:27:18,325 --> 00:27:20,805
Speaker 1: like there was like a screen door first and then

473
00:27:20,885 --> 00:27:24,005
Speaker 1: like the regular door, and so she noticed the screen

474
00:27:24,005 --> 00:27:29,245
Speaker 1: door handle was really hot and also noticed there was

475
00:27:29,285 --> 00:27:32,205
Speaker 1: like kind of some soot kind of coming out of

476
00:27:32,285 --> 00:27:35,925
Speaker 1: the of the door. And so she starts just hollering,

477
00:27:36,445 --> 00:27:39,685
Speaker 1: She's like, come help me, somebody, come help me. And

478
00:27:39,885 --> 00:27:42,925
Speaker 1: these two nice men who were painting across the street

479
00:27:43,325 --> 00:27:45,965
Speaker 1: came over to help. They called the fire department. How

480
00:27:46,005 --> 00:27:49,005
Speaker 1: hot was it? Just like uber hot? I mean hot

481
00:27:49,125 --> 00:27:50,805
Speaker 1: enough to where she didn't want to, Like she couldn't

482
00:27:50,845 --> 00:27:53,605
Speaker 1: touch the handle because it was a hot July day.

483
00:27:54,205 --> 00:27:57,925
Speaker 1: It was a mega hot. Yes, thank you for that.

484
00:27:58,165 --> 00:28:01,565
Speaker 1: Let me do that analysis. You're welcome. I don't think

485
00:28:01,605 --> 00:28:04,285
Speaker 1: they actually measured the temperature of the handle though, so

486
00:28:04,405 --> 00:28:09,125
Speaker 1: I cannot give you a very accurate description or temperature. Okay,

487
00:28:09,605 --> 00:28:13,805
Speaker 1: but I digress. So the fire department gets there. They

488
00:28:13,845 --> 00:28:16,605
Speaker 1: bust open the door. You know, obviously they knocked, and

489
00:28:16,605 --> 00:28:19,405
Speaker 1: they didn't she didn't come to the door. So they

490
00:28:19,445 --> 00:28:23,245
Speaker 1: go into the residence and there was smoke and greasy

491
00:28:23,365 --> 00:28:26,285
Speaker 1: soot everywhere, like all of the wall, like the walls

492
00:28:26,285 --> 00:28:29,205
Speaker 1: were kind of like covered in this like greasy sooty material.

493
00:28:29,445 --> 00:28:32,525
Speaker 1: Obviously there was a fire, but it was contained to

494
00:28:32,645 --> 00:28:36,325
Speaker 1: an overstuffed chair and all that was left was a

495
00:28:36,365 --> 00:28:40,405
Speaker 1: pile of springs, some burned remains, a skull that had

496
00:28:40,405 --> 00:28:43,525
Speaker 1: shrunken down to the size of a grapefruit, and Mary

497
00:28:43,565 --> 00:28:48,725
Speaker 1: Reeser's left leg with her satin black slipper. I'm sorry,

498
00:28:48,805 --> 00:28:52,485
Speaker 1: So the black slipper didn't catch off fire or now

499
00:28:52,525 --> 00:28:54,845
Speaker 1: it was like from her knee down on her left

500
00:28:54,885 --> 00:29:00,325
Speaker 1: leg was still there, but everything else completely cremated, but

501
00:29:00,525 --> 00:29:03,565
Speaker 1: just in the chair. But it was just in the chair.

502
00:29:03,685 --> 00:29:06,925
Speaker 1: That's so weird. So there's a lot to unpack here.

503
00:29:07,365 --> 00:29:10,845
Speaker 1: So obviously there was a fire, but it was odd

504
00:29:10,885 --> 00:29:14,205
Speaker 1: that it was just like Mary's body and her chair,

505
00:29:14,845 --> 00:29:17,405
Speaker 1: and there was also like a side table and part

506
00:29:17,405 --> 00:29:20,365
Speaker 1: of that was burned. But like the light switches on

507
00:29:20,405 --> 00:29:22,725
Speaker 1: the walls, they were like all melty, so like the

508
00:29:22,765 --> 00:29:25,165
Speaker 1: walls had heated up and it was just like super

509
00:29:25,205 --> 00:29:29,005
Speaker 1: hot inside. The light switches were melty. There were candles

510
00:29:29,085 --> 00:29:31,725
Speaker 1: that had melted, but the wicks were like still intact

511
00:29:31,765 --> 00:29:35,685
Speaker 1: and like standing upright. And she had a clock that

512
00:29:35,845 --> 00:29:40,925
Speaker 1: had stopped at four twenty am. Nice, and so we

513
00:29:41,005 --> 00:29:44,285
Speaker 1: can kind of assume that something around then happened. The

514
00:29:44,365 --> 00:29:48,165
Speaker 1: apartment was very, very hot. So the news kind of

515
00:29:48,205 --> 00:29:50,605
Speaker 1: gets out because they're like, oh my gosh, like how

516
00:29:50,645 --> 00:29:52,245
Speaker 1: did she catch on fire? Like how did she catch

517
00:29:52,285 --> 00:29:56,445
Speaker 1: on fire? Like what happened? So all these theories started

518
00:29:56,445 --> 00:29:59,565
Speaker 1: flying around, and it eventually made its switch to the

519
00:29:59,605 --> 00:30:02,245
Speaker 1: FBI because the police were like, I just I don't know,

520
00:30:02,485 --> 00:30:04,925
Speaker 1: Like they just couldn't figure it out, and they could

521
00:30:05,005 --> 00:30:07,525
Speaker 1: not rule out homicide. And there were many people that

522
00:30:07,605 --> 00:30:11,205
Speaker 1: submitted letters with their ideas of what happened. One of

523
00:30:11,205 --> 00:30:13,565
Speaker 1: the more bizarre was somebody who wrote that they had

524
00:30:13,645 --> 00:30:16,685
Speaker 1: quote seen a ball of fire fly in from through

525
00:30:16,725 --> 00:30:20,885
Speaker 1: the window. Oh, I mean, so we don't you know,

526
00:30:20,965 --> 00:30:24,285
Speaker 1: we don't know, Like as far as the weather was concerned,

527
00:30:24,365 --> 00:30:27,005
Speaker 1: there was no thunder or lightning or anything like that

528
00:30:28,485 --> 00:30:32,405
Speaker 1: of fire just flying through the sky. Yeah, why would

529
00:30:32,605 --> 00:30:35,565
Speaker 1: I don't understand the homicide thing, because why would you

530
00:30:35,645 --> 00:30:39,045
Speaker 1: kill someone in a such such an obvious way, Like,

531
00:30:39,125 --> 00:30:43,365
Speaker 1: of course that's gonna cause speculation. Look, I don't know that.

532
00:30:43,525 --> 00:30:45,525
Speaker 1: I do not have any answer too. But there were

533
00:30:45,525 --> 00:30:47,925
Speaker 1: other people they said there was homicide, or that she

534
00:30:48,045 --> 00:30:52,485
Speaker 1: was struck by lightning from a nuclear phenomenon. Perhaps there

535
00:30:52,565 --> 00:30:55,285
Speaker 1: was also noted in one of the articles, one of

536
00:30:55,325 --> 00:30:57,965
Speaker 1: the mini mini articles that noted that there was a

537
00:30:58,085 --> 00:31:02,805
Speaker 1: strange end in quotations evil smell. So you know, it

538
00:31:02,805 --> 00:31:06,285
Speaker 1: could have also just been Satan himself. Don't you hate

539
00:31:06,325 --> 00:31:10,645
Speaker 1: when a smell is evil? I don't need an evil smell. Yeah,

540
00:31:10,685 --> 00:31:12,525
Speaker 1: I have no idea what that means, this is me

541
00:31:12,605 --> 00:31:15,325
Speaker 1: whenever my cat goes to the litter box. That's an

542
00:31:15,325 --> 00:31:19,245
Speaker 1: evil smoke, just me after a long day's work, an

543
00:31:19,245 --> 00:31:24,685
Speaker 1: evil smell exactly. But if you recall, Mary was already

544
00:31:24,725 --> 00:31:28,285
Speaker 1: in her nightgown and her slippers, and the nightgown that

545
00:31:28,325 --> 00:31:34,445
Speaker 1: she was wearing was highly flammable, and Mary did smoke cigarettes,

546
00:31:35,005 --> 00:31:38,325
Speaker 1: so perhaps from the seditives she fell asleep all smoking

547
00:31:38,405 --> 00:31:41,805
Speaker 1: or something, but still for her to be cremated, that

548
00:31:41,805 --> 00:31:43,885
Speaker 1: would have had to have been a super hot fire

549
00:31:43,965 --> 00:31:47,565
Speaker 1: and burn for multiple hours. So you'd think it would

550
00:31:47,565 --> 00:31:49,845
Speaker 1: be it would spread like there was a three foot

551
00:31:49,965 --> 00:31:52,565
Speaker 1: radius of the carpet that was kind of singed, but

552
00:31:52,605 --> 00:31:55,125
Speaker 1: only like a three foot radius, so anything beyond that

553
00:31:56,125 --> 00:31:59,925
Speaker 1: was just like an effect of the heat from her

554
00:31:59,965 --> 00:32:02,525
Speaker 1: body being on fire. The fire would have had to

555
00:32:02,525 --> 00:32:04,125
Speaker 1: have burned for at least three to four hours at

556
00:32:04,125 --> 00:32:07,365
Speaker 1: a temperature of fourteen hundred to eighteen hundred degrees fahrenheit.

557
00:32:07,445 --> 00:32:09,845
Speaker 1: Like that's what. That's how hot it has to be

558
00:32:09,925 --> 00:32:12,125
Speaker 1: to cremate a body, and then it has to be

559
00:32:12,165 --> 00:32:15,125
Speaker 1: on fire for three to four hours. And your average

560
00:32:15,125 --> 00:32:18,045
Speaker 1: bonfire and house fire is between a thousand to eleven

561
00:32:18,165 --> 00:32:22,845
Speaker 1: hundred degrees, so like your typical classic fire really wasn't

562
00:32:22,845 --> 00:32:25,845
Speaker 1: hot enough. So many people believed that Mary was a

563
00:32:25,925 --> 00:32:30,445
Speaker 1: victim of spontaneous combustion, which by definition, is the ignition

564
00:32:30,525 --> 00:32:35,045
Speaker 1: of organic matter with no apparent cause, typically through heat

565
00:32:35,085 --> 00:32:40,325
Speaker 1: generated by an internal rapid oxidation. So basically, she self ignited.

566
00:32:40,565 --> 00:32:46,525
Speaker 1: Fascinating what in your body would cause spontaneous combustion to happen?

567
00:32:46,645 --> 00:32:51,725
Speaker 1: I'm so I need to know what to watch out for. Satan. Yeah,

568
00:32:51,805 --> 00:32:54,845
Speaker 1: if you're a Satan worshiper and he enters your body. Well,

569
00:32:54,965 --> 00:32:58,085
Speaker 1: they said of rapid oxidation. I don't really know scientifically

570
00:32:58,085 --> 00:33:01,125
Speaker 1: what that means. But I also think that, you know,

571
00:33:02,045 --> 00:33:04,805
Speaker 1: one of the things that I come across was, you know,

572
00:33:04,965 --> 00:33:07,965
Speaker 1: few harmful substances. So it could have been about the

573
00:33:07,965 --> 00:33:10,605
Speaker 1: sedative she took, or smoking cigarettes or something like that,

574
00:33:10,645 --> 00:33:13,045
Speaker 1: but I don't know about that. I don't know about

575
00:33:13,085 --> 00:33:16,925
Speaker 1: all that. But officially it was ruled an accidental death

576
00:33:17,165 --> 00:33:21,325
Speaker 1: of unknown causes. But I would like to throw in

577
00:33:21,405 --> 00:33:26,925
Speaker 1: my own theory. Oh wow, ooh, Investigator Taylor is okay,

578
00:33:27,085 --> 00:33:29,245
Speaker 1: let's see, I'm every single one of you are going

579
00:33:29,285 --> 00:33:34,565
Speaker 1: to immediately dismiss it affect so that means I'm onto something, though,

580
00:33:34,605 --> 00:33:38,125
Speaker 1: I think right, Um, So, I think that she was

581
00:33:38,165 --> 00:33:44,445
Speaker 1: a human supernova. So that's when like a star explodes? Taylor, Yeah, No,

582
00:33:44,685 --> 00:33:47,245
Speaker 1: I think that's when I was a star. She was

583
00:33:47,285 --> 00:33:51,085
Speaker 1: a star and she and she was just a supernova.

584
00:33:51,165 --> 00:33:53,245
Speaker 1: But there is this song because I came across this

585
00:33:53,285 --> 00:33:57,525
Speaker 1: song that Liz Fair did that is called Supernova, and

586
00:33:57,605 --> 00:33:59,845
Speaker 1: the chorus goes, do you want to hear it? I'm

587
00:33:59,885 --> 00:34:02,725
Speaker 1: not gonna sing it, I'm just gonna read, but it says,

588
00:34:02,765 --> 00:34:06,925
Speaker 1: because you're a human supernova, a solar superman, you're an

589
00:34:06,925 --> 00:34:10,525
Speaker 1: angel with wings of fire, a flying giant friction blast.

590
00:34:11,605 --> 00:34:13,525
Speaker 1: But let me tell you, she was talking about love.

591
00:34:13,605 --> 00:34:16,245
Speaker 1: But who's to say that a star can combust but

592
00:34:16,325 --> 00:34:21,925
Speaker 1: humans can't? Taylor, Um threads that you just put together.

593
00:34:22,325 --> 00:34:28,325
Speaker 1: Who's to say it's based on love and based on metaphor?

594
00:34:28,365 --> 00:34:31,565
Speaker 1: Who's to say it's not real? Who's to say, just

595
00:34:31,725 --> 00:34:33,805
Speaker 1: because we don't see it happening all the time, does

596
00:34:33,845 --> 00:34:36,405
Speaker 1: it mean that it's not a real thing. I am

597
00:34:36,525 --> 00:34:40,565
Speaker 1: so hungry to find out what happened to her, But

598
00:34:40,645 --> 00:34:43,125
Speaker 1: no one knows, right, No, they do not. But there

599
00:34:43,285 --> 00:34:46,525
Speaker 1: is this idea that fire can stay lit from your

600
00:34:46,525 --> 00:34:49,885
Speaker 1: body fat, which is called the Wick effect, which Gabby's

601
00:34:49,925 --> 00:34:52,645
Speaker 1: going to go into into a little bit more depth

602
00:34:52,725 --> 00:34:56,045
Speaker 1: in a minute, but they did there. This kind of

603
00:34:56,085 --> 00:34:59,725
Speaker 1: annoyed me actually. In all of the articles and everything,

604
00:34:59,765 --> 00:35:02,765
Speaker 1: they said she was a hefty woman, but she like

605
00:35:02,805 --> 00:35:04,965
Speaker 1: weighed one seventy pounds, which I don't know if I

606
00:35:05,005 --> 00:35:10,925
Speaker 1: wouldn or that hefty maybe yeah, But like now I'm like, mmmm, well,

607
00:35:10,965 --> 00:35:13,765
Speaker 1: they're all mentioning her hardy breakfast, which I'm like, I

608
00:35:13,845 --> 00:35:16,565
Speaker 1: kind of want that right now. That's true. I want

609
00:35:16,605 --> 00:35:20,365
Speaker 1: that hardy breakfast. Yeah, give it to me. Well, Taylor,

610
00:35:20,405 --> 00:35:23,525
Speaker 1: I don't think she's a star. I'm gonna say it.

611
00:35:23,685 --> 00:35:27,325
Speaker 1: I've listened to Neil de grass Tyson's you know, star

612
00:35:27,445 --> 00:35:30,125
Speaker 1: Talk podcast a few times, so I know about the stars,

613
00:35:30,125 --> 00:35:33,005
Speaker 1: and it seems, based on like gravity and stuff, it

614
00:35:33,045 --> 00:35:36,805
Speaker 1: would be hard for a literal star to exist walk

615
00:35:36,845 --> 00:35:40,165
Speaker 1: in the streets, also to reproduce with another human because

616
00:35:40,165 --> 00:35:43,645
Speaker 1: she obviously I had kids. They say that we're all

617
00:35:43,685 --> 00:35:46,285
Speaker 1: made up of star matter, so why not we're all

618
00:35:46,365 --> 00:35:49,805
Speaker 1: made up of star dust. I mean, I mean, look,

619
00:35:49,845 --> 00:35:52,165
Speaker 1: obviously I don't really think that, but I'm like, while

620
00:35:52,165 --> 00:35:55,245
Speaker 1: we're throwing out some things like I feel like this

621
00:35:55,325 --> 00:35:58,645
Speaker 1: is a super like horse girl theory. It's just like

622
00:35:58,685 --> 00:36:01,685
Speaker 1: you're riding your horse. Be like she's made up stars.

623
00:36:01,685 --> 00:36:06,525
Speaker 1: She's made up stars, and then she you know, got

624
00:36:06,525 --> 00:36:09,605
Speaker 1: a little too hot. She went to the star God

625
00:36:11,005 --> 00:36:14,485
Speaker 1: she is watching over us. Now, well, Taylor, thank you.

626
00:36:14,565 --> 00:36:18,885
Speaker 1: So basically it's an undetermined how she died death. So

627
00:36:19,965 --> 00:36:23,325
Speaker 1: we'll get a little bit more into spontaneous human combustion

628
00:36:23,645 --> 00:36:32,485
Speaker 1: after the brain. Okay, Caldaver gals, we're back, I mean,

629
00:36:32,565 --> 00:36:37,085
Speaker 1: Caldaver pals, we're back and gals Nika and Taylor. So

630
00:36:37,205 --> 00:36:41,125
Speaker 1: Taylor just told us a really scientific theory about what happened.

631
00:36:42,525 --> 00:36:46,525
Speaker 1: So but she becomes a star. But basically, I mean,

632
00:36:46,565 --> 00:36:49,805
Speaker 1: the Mary Rethros story is one that if you google

633
00:36:49,845 --> 00:36:51,645
Speaker 1: her name, you'll see a bunch of stuff pop up,

634
00:36:51,645 --> 00:36:54,565
Speaker 1: and usually what pops up with it is spontaneous combustion.

635
00:36:54,765 --> 00:36:59,125
Speaker 1: Spontaneous human combustion. That's just what people be thinking happened.

636
00:36:59,685 --> 00:37:02,325
Speaker 1: And there's even like in cases up to twenty eleven,

637
00:37:02,365 --> 00:37:06,605
Speaker 1: there was a coroner in Ireland who said for the

638
00:37:06,805 --> 00:37:09,685
Speaker 1: cause of death if someone was spontaneous human combustion. So

639
00:37:09,725 --> 00:37:12,725
Speaker 1: some people be thinking this is real, but I'm here

640
00:37:12,765 --> 00:37:17,725
Speaker 1: to say it's not a real thing. Oh well, okay,

641
00:37:17,725 --> 00:37:22,365
Speaker 1: but why like give us it's not the end, it's

642
00:37:22,405 --> 00:37:27,045
Speaker 1: not real, Okay. So basically, there's been like various cases throughout,

643
00:37:27,645 --> 00:37:32,445
Speaker 1: especially in the nineteenth century, of people combusting, and it's

644
00:37:32,845 --> 00:37:35,885
Speaker 1: I think this is kind of like when people don't

645
00:37:36,085 --> 00:37:40,325
Speaker 1: know scientifically what has happened. We are really good at

646
00:37:40,365 --> 00:37:45,565
Speaker 1: speculating things that are wrong, like divine intervention or something else,

647
00:37:45,685 --> 00:37:48,165
Speaker 1: or we will start like prescribing a lot of like

648
00:37:48,245 --> 00:37:52,285
Speaker 1: moralistic ideas towards someone. Like even with Mary research, they're like, oh,

649
00:37:52,325 --> 00:37:55,005
Speaker 1: she was a smoker, or she was drinking, or she

650
00:37:55,165 --> 00:37:58,685
Speaker 1: was overweight ergo she They'll just like say all these

651
00:37:58,725 --> 00:38:03,245
Speaker 1: negative attributes that I'm blaming. I heed that. Yeah. And

652
00:38:03,285 --> 00:38:05,965
Speaker 1: so I mean with these deaths too, it's like we

653
00:38:06,005 --> 00:38:07,885
Speaker 1: don't know exactly what happened, so you're just trying to

654
00:38:08,085 --> 00:38:10,445
Speaker 1: make something up. And that's just like one of it's

655
00:38:10,485 --> 00:38:14,645
Speaker 1: kind of like this catch all term for unexplained fiery deaths. Also,

656
00:38:14,685 --> 00:38:17,725
Speaker 1: it's kind of interesting where you start seeing more mention

657
00:38:17,805 --> 00:38:21,045
Speaker 1: of a spontaneous human combustion in the nineteenth century. You

658
00:38:21,045 --> 00:38:24,125
Speaker 1: see that with the temperance movement, because what they were

659
00:38:24,125 --> 00:38:27,085
Speaker 1: trying to say is that the more alcohol you drink,

660
00:38:27,285 --> 00:38:30,165
Speaker 1: the more flammable you are. Ergo, you will just burst

661
00:38:30,205 --> 00:38:33,605
Speaker 1: into flames if you drank alcohol. I'm sorry. If that

662
00:38:33,725 --> 00:38:35,845
Speaker 1: was the case, Gabby, you would be on fire right now,

663
00:38:35,845 --> 00:38:41,805
Speaker 1: I would be literally on fire constantly. You're a star.

664
00:38:42,525 --> 00:38:46,805
Speaker 1: I'm a star, right right, right, Yeah, I'm not an alcoholic.

665
00:38:47,045 --> 00:38:51,045
Speaker 1: I'm a star. It's fine. It was also interesting because

666
00:38:51,085 --> 00:38:54,405
Speaker 1: there was a Charles Dickens book called Bleak House where

667
00:38:54,405 --> 00:38:57,845
Speaker 1: one of the characters died from spontaneous human combustion. And

668
00:38:57,885 --> 00:38:59,965
Speaker 1: it was interesting because this was like now when people

669
00:39:00,005 --> 00:39:02,245
Speaker 1: were trying to challenge the temperance movement, be like, this

670
00:39:02,325 --> 00:39:04,605
Speaker 1: is a pile of bullshit. You're drinking alcohol, doesn't mean

671
00:39:04,605 --> 00:39:07,645
Speaker 1: you're going to burst into flames. But he had a

672
00:39:07,725 --> 00:39:10,165
Speaker 1: character who that happened too, and everyone got mad at

673
00:39:10,205 --> 00:39:12,325
Speaker 1: him because they're like, you're promoting something that's not real.

674
00:39:12,365 --> 00:39:16,085
Speaker 1: But I'm also like, Guys is a novel. It's fine. Yeah,

675
00:39:16,125 --> 00:39:19,605
Speaker 1: I would rather have that than like celebrities be like

676
00:39:19,765 --> 00:39:23,725
Speaker 1: COVID isn't real and just like use their platform for that.

677
00:39:23,845 --> 00:39:26,645
Speaker 1: At least Charles Dickens knew it was fiction and said

678
00:39:26,685 --> 00:39:28,445
Speaker 1: it was fiction. I mean it's like, yeah, it's a

679
00:39:28,485 --> 00:39:30,485
Speaker 1: it's a novel that he was writing in. But it's

680
00:39:30,525 --> 00:39:33,125
Speaker 1: also like, at the time, the Temperance movement was like,

681
00:39:33,165 --> 00:39:36,125
Speaker 1: this is what's happening, so don't drink, you know, but

682
00:39:36,165 --> 00:39:38,285
Speaker 1: that's not if it's not going to happen, guys, so

683
00:39:38,645 --> 00:39:41,685
Speaker 1: you know, take some shots tonight if you want, will

684
00:39:41,765 --> 00:39:47,605
Speaker 1: do well then by myself. Yeah. Also, drinking is evil, Okay,

685
00:39:47,925 --> 00:39:49,845
Speaker 1: I mean that's probably what the whole rid of it

686
00:39:49,885 --> 00:39:52,685
Speaker 1: all is. So it really was probably just Satan because

687
00:39:52,685 --> 00:39:56,405
Speaker 1: if you drink Satan, Satan will come and get you

688
00:39:56,445 --> 00:39:58,405
Speaker 1: and then you'll catch on fire. It makes so much sense.

689
00:39:58,565 --> 00:40:01,445
Speaker 1: I feel like, if anything, they would celebrate you for

690
00:40:01,525 --> 00:40:04,325
Speaker 1: drinking if if yeah, but he's coming for you to

691
00:40:04,485 --> 00:40:07,725
Speaker 1: be like, oh, you're on mine, one of my kind. Okay.

692
00:40:07,725 --> 00:40:10,645
Speaker 1: First of all, we use they them pronounced for Satan,

693
00:40:10,925 --> 00:40:16,205
Speaker 1: so you don't think Satan is a man. You know,

694
00:40:16,285 --> 00:40:19,405
Speaker 1: I don't think of them at all, thankfully, So I

695
00:40:19,405 --> 00:40:21,005
Speaker 1: don't want to. I don't want to keep this talk

696
00:40:21,045 --> 00:40:24,005
Speaker 1: in my household, thank you. Okay, sorry, Yeah, So I

697
00:40:24,045 --> 00:40:27,565
Speaker 1: really feel like spontaneous human combustion. I think looking at that,

698
00:40:27,765 --> 00:40:32,405
Speaker 1: looking at that diagnostic gnosis as people trying to either

699
00:40:32,525 --> 00:40:36,325
Speaker 1: victim blame or you know, say you're doing something bad,

700
00:40:36,645 --> 00:40:39,045
Speaker 1: ergo you burst into flames. So there's this one guy

701
00:40:39,125 --> 00:40:42,005
Speaker 1: who he's a big skeptic and sort of his profession

702
00:40:42,285 --> 00:40:44,645
Speaker 1: is he's a private investigator, but he also likes to

703
00:40:44,685 --> 00:40:49,725
Speaker 1: dismantle paranormal theories. His name is Joe Nicol. In the

704
00:40:49,805 --> 00:40:52,445
Speaker 1: nineteen eighties, he did he did a study where he

705
00:40:52,525 --> 00:40:55,525
Speaker 1: analyzed a lot of different cases of spontaneous human combustion,

706
00:40:56,005 --> 00:40:58,805
Speaker 1: including Mary Reeser, and he was saying that you know,

707
00:40:58,885 --> 00:41:03,485
Speaker 1: with each case you can't prescribe the same diagnosis of

708
00:41:03,525 --> 00:41:05,405
Speaker 1: like what happened. But it was like with each case

709
00:41:05,525 --> 00:41:08,005
Speaker 1: that he saw, it's like there was probably a logical

710
00:41:08,005 --> 00:41:09,765
Speaker 1: way or there's a logical way to say that there

711
00:41:09,845 --> 00:41:13,845
Speaker 1: was fire that was nearby and somehow they caught on

712
00:41:13,885 --> 00:41:15,925
Speaker 1: fire because of it. It It wasn't just from this like

713
00:41:16,045 --> 00:41:19,045
Speaker 1: internal flame where you bust it up or something from

714
00:41:19,045 --> 00:41:22,525
Speaker 1: the friction or the whatever. Yeah, it was like that's

715
00:41:22,525 --> 00:41:24,165
Speaker 1: always It's like you could say, in all of these

716
00:41:24,165 --> 00:41:28,165
Speaker 1: situations there was a different igniter there. Like with Mary,

717
00:41:28,245 --> 00:41:30,885
Speaker 1: there was the cigarette. Also in some of the cases

718
00:41:30,885 --> 00:41:33,845
Speaker 1: it was like near a fireplace or something, and I

719
00:41:33,885 --> 00:41:37,285
Speaker 1: mean at the same time though, the victims of this

720
00:41:37,405 --> 00:41:41,005
Speaker 1: these sort of unexplained fire depths have generally been sort

721
00:41:41,045 --> 00:41:45,805
Speaker 1: of the elderly, the infirm, or people who do drink

722
00:41:46,045 --> 00:41:49,005
Speaker 1: a lot or take pills while drinking. But it's not

723
00:41:49,045 --> 00:41:51,605
Speaker 1: because you're a bad person. It's just because you know,

724
00:41:51,645 --> 00:41:55,165
Speaker 1: the more alcohol you drink, the more careless you get. Okay,

725
00:41:55,485 --> 00:41:58,565
Speaker 1: it's just a kinkie dink. It's just a kawinki dnk

726
00:41:58,565 --> 00:42:02,325
Speaker 1: that alcohol makes you stupid, especially when you mix it

727
00:42:02,365 --> 00:42:05,965
Speaker 1: with pills. So basically, you know, he's just saying that

728
00:42:06,005 --> 00:42:08,285
Speaker 1: somehow people have let themselves on fire, and he is

729
00:42:08,285 --> 00:42:10,925
Speaker 1: the proponent. As Taylor had mentioned, there's this theory called

730
00:42:11,445 --> 00:42:14,725
Speaker 1: it's either the candle theory or the wick theory of

731
00:42:14,845 --> 00:42:18,485
Speaker 1: why this fire is contained to just like a very

732
00:42:18,565 --> 00:42:22,005
Speaker 1: small radius, because I think with Mary Reeser's case, they're

733
00:42:22,005 --> 00:42:25,165
Speaker 1: saying like, well, maybe it didn't spread further because her

734
00:42:25,325 --> 00:42:27,485
Speaker 1: she had like cement walls that might have been part

735
00:42:27,485 --> 00:42:29,325
Speaker 1: of it, like the heat was being contained in a

736
00:42:29,325 --> 00:42:32,965
Speaker 1: certain way. But this wick theory is interesting because it's saying,

737
00:42:33,045 --> 00:42:36,925
Speaker 1: like human bodies can be seen as like an like

738
00:42:36,965 --> 00:42:41,325
Speaker 1: an inside out candle, because basically, you know, it's pretty

739
00:42:41,365 --> 00:42:44,325
Speaker 1: hard to fully burn a human body because obviously, like

740
00:42:44,365 --> 00:42:46,605
Speaker 1: we have moisture, we're made up of water, we have

741
00:42:46,645 --> 00:42:49,125
Speaker 1: moisture in our fat, et cetera, et cetera. So it's

742
00:42:49,125 --> 00:42:52,125
Speaker 1: actually just hard to burn that. So what they're thinking

743
00:42:52,405 --> 00:42:56,085
Speaker 1: is that the wick those actually like our clothes or

744
00:42:56,125 --> 00:42:58,165
Speaker 1: sort of like the apparatus that we're sitting on, or

745
00:42:58,205 --> 00:43:00,445
Speaker 1: like carpet or something, because in all of these human

746
00:43:00,525 --> 00:43:05,325
Speaker 1: combustion cases usually there was like heavy carpeting, drapes, plush

747
00:43:05,605 --> 00:43:09,165
Speaker 1: furniture that also kind of got singed, and that's like

748
00:43:09,205 --> 00:43:12,325
Speaker 1: the wick. That's the thing that's burning. But while it's burning,

749
00:43:12,605 --> 00:43:14,925
Speaker 1: you know, us are human fat being the wax, It

750
00:43:14,965 --> 00:43:16,965
Speaker 1: is getting more and more dehydrated, so then it can

751
00:43:17,005 --> 00:43:19,925
Speaker 1: kind of burn. That's the oil lamp. We're just the

752
00:43:19,925 --> 00:43:23,565
Speaker 1: oil lamp exactly. And so yeah, bodies usually burn it

753
00:43:23,645 --> 00:43:26,005
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty degrees celsius. But because of this

754
00:43:26,085 --> 00:43:30,445
Speaker 1: like wick theory, we can burn at temperatures as low

755
00:43:30,485 --> 00:43:33,565
Speaker 1: as twenty four degrees celsius, which is that's not very hot.

756
00:43:33,685 --> 00:43:36,405
Speaker 1: That's not very hot, at all. And then he also says,

757
00:43:36,445 --> 00:43:40,045
Speaker 1: because women have generally more body fat, we burn better,

758
00:43:40,205 --> 00:43:44,005
Speaker 1: we're better candles. Oh yay. Mary wasn't a star, she

759
00:43:44,245 --> 00:43:46,765
Speaker 1: was a candle. Okay, great. So I think what we

760
00:43:46,805 --> 00:43:48,725
Speaker 1: can learn from this is that you know you're not

761
00:43:48,765 --> 00:43:53,285
Speaker 1: going to combust, but I believe in combustion. Okay, Okay,

762
00:43:53,525 --> 00:43:57,045
Speaker 1: here's the thing, combustion believer. Wow. Yeah, I'm very skeptical

763
00:43:57,365 --> 00:44:00,485
Speaker 1: of human combustion. But Taylor's actually going to tell us

764
00:44:00,525 --> 00:44:05,965
Speaker 1: about she has witnessed combustion first band. Yeah, let me

765
00:44:06,045 --> 00:44:09,365
Speaker 1: tell you, Okay, all right, So in high school, well,

766
00:44:09,365 --> 00:44:12,285
Speaker 1: growing up, I always had beta fish. I always thought

767
00:44:12,285 --> 00:44:14,685
Speaker 1: they were so cool and I and I like did

768
00:44:14,725 --> 00:44:17,045
Speaker 1: a really good job. Not to pat myself on the back,

769
00:44:17,565 --> 00:44:19,805
Speaker 1: but I did a really good job of keeping them alive.

770
00:44:19,845 --> 00:44:22,045
Speaker 1: I had them for years and years and years. So

771
00:44:22,685 --> 00:44:25,925
Speaker 1: I had this one. He was kind of like a

772
00:44:25,965 --> 00:44:30,885
Speaker 1: bluish greenish and he had these like kind of spiky fins,

773
00:44:31,565 --> 00:44:34,325
Speaker 1: and he was like always alert and like ready to go.

774
00:44:34,805 --> 00:44:37,605
Speaker 1: So his name was Bruce Lee, and I loved him

775
00:44:37,605 --> 00:44:42,605
Speaker 1: so much, and he lived in a bowl on the

776
00:44:42,725 --> 00:44:46,685
Speaker 1: island in my kitchen growing up. And they shot an island. Wow,

777
00:44:46,965 --> 00:44:50,965
Speaker 1: a fish on an island, but oh my god, Okay,

778
00:44:51,085 --> 00:44:52,965
Speaker 1: it was a big bowl though it was not like

779
00:44:53,005 --> 00:44:55,005
Speaker 1: one of those like little dinky things like it was

780
00:44:55,045 --> 00:44:58,565
Speaker 1: a It was a big bowl. So anyway, I wake up.

781
00:44:59,005 --> 00:45:02,285
Speaker 1: It's a weekend. I wake up, come downstairs, and my

782
00:45:02,365 --> 00:45:06,165
Speaker 1: parents are like, Taylor, we need to talk. And I

783
00:45:06,285 --> 00:45:09,565
Speaker 1: was like, oh no, and there are like something happened

784
00:45:09,565 --> 00:45:11,605
Speaker 1: to Bruce Lee. And I was like, what do you

785
00:45:11,605 --> 00:45:13,725
Speaker 1: mean something happened? Like, well, what can happen to Bruce Lee?

786
00:45:13,845 --> 00:45:18,445
Speaker 1: Like he is very well taken care of, etcetera, etcetera. Well,

787
00:45:19,085 --> 00:45:22,565
Speaker 1: I walked in the kitchen and his bowl had exploded

788
00:45:23,285 --> 00:45:28,525
Speaker 1: into zillions of pieces, and the island was a it

789
00:45:28,605 --> 00:45:31,565
Speaker 1: was like a natural wood top, and it had a

790
00:45:31,725 --> 00:45:35,725
Speaker 1: singed mark under where his bowl was. And of course,

791
00:45:35,765 --> 00:45:40,845
Speaker 1: because the bowl exploded, Bruce Lee did not He was

792
00:45:40,885 --> 00:45:43,365
Speaker 1: not in water anymore and was actually on the island.

793
00:45:43,925 --> 00:45:47,685
Speaker 1: And so did your parents just leave him on the island? No?

794
00:45:47,885 --> 00:45:52,205
Speaker 1: Actually they left the bowl because they didn't think I'd

795
00:45:52,205 --> 00:45:55,565
Speaker 1: believe them, which right I probably wouldn't have. But like

796
00:45:55,685 --> 00:45:58,045
Speaker 1: later I'm doing the like doing the dishes or something

797
00:45:58,245 --> 00:46:02,645
Speaker 1: as a good kid, and my little sister Daisy goes, Yep,

798
00:46:03,245 --> 00:46:05,685
Speaker 1: that's where Bruce Lee is and I was like, excuse me,

799
00:46:07,285 --> 00:46:11,165
Speaker 1: and she goes, yeah, that's where dad put Bruce Lee.

800
00:46:11,165 --> 00:46:14,605
Speaker 1: And I was like in the garbage disposal and he's

801
00:46:14,765 --> 00:46:16,965
Speaker 1: you know what my dad said? He said, what it's

802
00:46:17,005 --> 00:46:25,685
Speaker 1: just like sushi, so angry, so angry. I'm sane back,

803
00:46:26,965 --> 00:46:31,805
Speaker 1: did you figure out why did that happen to thee?

804
00:46:32,245 --> 00:46:35,885
Speaker 1: The fish itself didn't explode. No, the fish itself didn't explode,

805
00:46:35,925 --> 00:46:39,245
Speaker 1: but there was I mean, look, the island did have

806
00:46:39,285 --> 00:46:42,085
Speaker 1: power in it, you know, like they had like a plug,

807
00:46:42,125 --> 00:46:44,765
Speaker 1: so I don't know there is I mean some sort

808
00:46:44,805 --> 00:46:48,045
Speaker 1: of electrical, but I still it doesn't make sense. There was,

809
00:46:48,485 --> 00:46:50,365
Speaker 1: and the you know it had like the kitchen had

810
00:46:50,405 --> 00:46:53,325
Speaker 1: like those canned lights. The light that was like above

811
00:46:54,165 --> 00:46:56,485
Speaker 1: where his bowl was. The light was just out. It's

812
00:46:56,485 --> 00:47:00,725
Speaker 1: not like it that had exploded or anything. The light

813
00:47:00,805 --> 00:47:04,525
Speaker 1: was just out. So like something something somewhere happened. There

814
00:47:04,605 --> 00:47:08,125
Speaker 1: was a sense marking electrical something. To this day, if

815
00:47:08,165 --> 00:47:11,885
Speaker 1: that sin schmark is still on there, that's insane. What um.

816
00:47:11,965 --> 00:47:14,765
Speaker 1: I believe that Bruce Lee was a star, Taylor. I

817
00:47:14,765 --> 00:47:18,405
Speaker 1: believe Bruley was. I know Bruceley was a star. I

818
00:47:18,685 --> 00:47:25,685
Speaker 1: know Tim so much. We need a documentary on this. Well, Taylor,

819
00:47:25,885 --> 00:47:28,125
Speaker 1: thank you for sharing those stories about your fish. You

820
00:47:28,165 --> 00:47:31,125
Speaker 1: really did tie the episode together. So I just want

821
00:47:31,205 --> 00:47:33,205
Speaker 1: y'all to say, watch out with you know, watch out

822
00:47:33,245 --> 00:47:36,125
Speaker 1: for water. With your open wounds, you know, maybe let

823
00:47:36,165 --> 00:47:39,365
Speaker 1: them close up a little bit. Also, you're probably not

824
00:47:39,405 --> 00:47:43,405
Speaker 1: going to combust unless your star a star. Okay, So

825
00:47:43,605 --> 00:47:46,485
Speaker 1: for all you stars out there, look out, watch out.

826
00:47:46,525 --> 00:47:48,325
Speaker 1: But then if you're a star, though, you're more likely

827
00:47:48,365 --> 00:47:50,845
Speaker 1: to like implode, you know, and then we all get

828
00:47:50,845 --> 00:47:55,445
Speaker 1: sucked into you, if you know what I mean. Oh, coffee,

829
00:47:56,125 --> 00:47:57,925
Speaker 1: I like, I think we should just end on if

830
00:47:57,925 --> 00:48:03,485
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. If you know what I mean, yea. Well,

831
00:48:03,525 --> 00:48:07,365
Speaker 1: thanks for listening everyone, Well, see you next time. JK

832
00:48:07,525 --> 00:48:09,805
Speaker 1: will never see you, but you'll hear from us. Goodbye.

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00:48:18,485 --> 00:48:26,165
Speaker 1: Kickar Gal kidaver Gals is a production of School of

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00:48:26,205 --> 00:48:29,765
Speaker 1: Humans and iHeartRadio. It's hosted by Me, Gabby Watts, Nika Duarte,

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00:48:29,885 --> 00:48:33,765
Speaker 1: and Taylor Church and you can find us all over

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00:48:33,845 --> 00:48:39,485
Speaker 1: the internet, specifically on Instagram and Twitter at cadaver Gals.

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Speaker 1: Will see you next week.