1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: Warning, Today's episode contains spoilers for Mad Max Fury Road, 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: which is almost a ten year old movie and it's 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: prequel Furiosa. 4 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 2: Hello, my name. 5 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: Is Jason Koncepsion and on Mesday Night and welcome back 6 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: dex Revision, the podcast where we dive deep into your 7 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: favorite shows, movies, comics and pop culture. Coming to you 8 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: from My Heart podcast where we're bringing you two episodes 9 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: a week, every Tuesday and every Thursday. 10 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 3: In today's episode, in the previously on, We've got so 11 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 3: much news. There's a new elder ring DLC and I 12 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 3: know Jason's excited about it. Greg Cappollo, he's been all 13 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 3: year that he's going to be joining Marvel. Everyone thought 14 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 3: they got pranked, but no, it's happening. We'll tell you 15 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 3: on what series. There's an end credible clip from The 16 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 3: Acolyte which we will touch on Craven the Hunter. It's 17 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 3: getting moved to December, but don't worry this this news 18 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 3: bite is actually more hilarious than expected thanks to Sony Execs. 19 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 3: In the airlock, we will be discussing Furiosa, It's strange 20 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 3: path to the big screen and what we think about it. 21 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 3: In the omnibus, Jason will be digging deep into the 22 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 3: troubled production of Fury Road and Charlie s then's just 23 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 3: awful time filming it. And in the back matter, we're 24 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 3: gonna have a quick chat about the evolution of the 25 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 3: summer blockbuster and how it's changing. 26 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 2: But first news, first up. 27 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: In the previously on elden Ring, fans, Soulsborn, fans, get ready. 28 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: The Urentree DLC is about a month out. There's a 29 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: trailer out there, folks, and I'm ready to be very 30 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: frustrated again. This is a game that took over my 31 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: life for a large chunk of its release window, and folks, 32 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: I think it might happen again. Story trailer was dropped 33 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: on a couple days ago yesterday. We're filming this on Wednesday, 34 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: May twenty. Second came out yesterday, Rosie. Your thoughts and 35 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: will you be playing The ur Tree DLC? 36 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 2: I will? 37 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 3: Finally, this is my reason to play. I'm finally catching 38 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 3: up on the fantasy games that I have failed. Boulders 39 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 3: Gate is finally happening, much to the happiness of all 40 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 3: of my friends, and this will be my reason to 41 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,239 Speaker 3: play elder Ring. Literally, I was so obsessed with Diablo 42 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 3: for last year that like every other game just went 43 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 3: out the window. So this will be this will be 44 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 3: good for me. I'm very excited. It looks very scary 45 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 3: and fantastical, and I love to have like a giant 46 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 3: sword and stuff. So I'm sure i'll be I'm sure 47 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 3: i'll be very frustrated, and I'll probably get through like 48 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 3: thirteen percent of the game. But I have a lot 49 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 3: of fun playing it. 50 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, lots of Tanta, hints at the expansion of some war, 51 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: new relationships for potentially MICHAELA, seven new characters, what looks 52 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 1: to be a new portion of the map. 53 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 2: Very very excited. 54 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 1: DLC comes out June twenty first, stay tuned because it's 55 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: it's gonna be very very bad for my ability to work. 56 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 3: You will hear a lot about it on the podcast You. 57 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 2: Will up next Rosie teas did. 58 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: Greg Boolo returns to Marvel for a new Wolverine series 59 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: with Jonathan Hickman. Woo. 60 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 3: The crowd goes mad. So all year Greg Coppolo had 61 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 3: been like teasing a little bit and it kind of 62 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 3: hinted at Wolverine, and then they announced the new Wolverine 63 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 3: team and he wasn't on it, and everyone was like, oh, 64 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 3: we got pranked by our comic book uncle, but no. 65 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 3: Greg Coppolo has finally revealed, thanks to an exclusive at Polygon, 66 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 3: that he will be drawing Wolverine in a limited series 67 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 3: with Jonathan Hickman that promises to pit Wolverine against a 68 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 3: cardurra of foes who will turn his world upside down. 69 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 3: He's beaten, he's been bloodied, and Logan only has one 70 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 3: thought on his mind. Revenge. The cover is extremely nice, easy, 71 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 3: He's standing in the mouth of like a t Rex. 72 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 3: The logo is great. Capolo told Polygon. I finally returned 73 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 3: home to Marvel, and I'm ready to raise some hell. 74 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 3: And who better to do that with than the hitman Hickman. 75 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 3: I love that. I don't know if there's ever been 76 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 3: a name before, but it's the most great Capilo thing 77 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 3: of all time. I love it to celebrate Marvel has 78 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 3: removed the fences and let us off our leash so 79 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 3: that we can bring the most vicious and punishing Wolverine 80 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 3: story possible to fans this summer. I hope they're prepared. Okay, 81 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 3: this is also the thing our Discord users were really 82 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 3: excited about, is this is going to be another one 83 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 3: of the Red Band comics where that will be poly 84 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 3: bagged and there'll be a version that will be like 85 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 3: an R rated like extra Blood, Extra Gore, and that's 86 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 3: been really popular recently. I think it's during the Blood 87 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 3: Hunt rain. There's been a lot of Discord users who've 88 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 3: loved that. So yeah, I think this is great. I 89 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 3: love Gregor, Greg Copulo and Paul mcfallan. I that like 90 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 3: my comic book dads. I just love you, So I'm excited. 91 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 3: I also, I think the Hickman collab is really interesting 92 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 3: because that means this isn't just gonna be some nineiest throwback. 93 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 2: I agree. 94 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 1: It struck me as like not the creative team that 95 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 1: one would immediately expect, especially if you're thinking Hickman, you're 96 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: certainly not thinking Capulo. 97 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 2: But I think that's what's so exciting about it, even. 98 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: You know what, I'm not even thinking Hickman for Wolverine, 99 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: Like that's not It seems like such a smaller palette 100 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: than what you expect of Hickman's, certainly Hickman's work recently, 101 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: so that I'm really excited to see where it goes 102 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: with this because Hickman it's just a weirdo. 103 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 3: Just way, so I like this could be really this 104 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 3: could be one of those mini series that people are 105 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 3: reading in trades for like decades, and it's always fun 106 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 3: when you're around when those are coming out in single issues. 107 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 1: Up next, a new exclusive clip from The Acolyte has 108 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 1: been released, showing. 109 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 2: More of the action style, the very like. 110 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: Hong Kong ish John Wick ish action style that seems 111 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: like it's gonna be a hallmark of this series, which 112 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: we'll release on June fourth on Disney. 113 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 2: Plus your thoughts about this clip. 114 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 3: I mean, it looks so good. I'm so happy for 115 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 3: Amandlas Stemberg because I feel like you must be so 116 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 3: stoked to take this role because the action choreography is unbelievable. 117 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 3: And something I think is really interesting here is we 118 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 3: see Lee Jung Jay his character Master Soul, and he's 119 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 3: fighting May. But the thing is we're seeing a Jedi 120 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 3: here who are more composed and powerful than we've ever seen. 121 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 3: He is not scared at all. He is doing matrix 122 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 3: level like bullet time avoidance. And I think the casting 123 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 3: of carrying this movie as Indira is because this is 124 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 3: going to have a lot of that matrix Hollywood Hong 125 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 3: Kong combo kind of style because as she fights him, 126 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 3: you know, and he says, you're fighting me without a weapon, 127 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 3: like why, And I think that we're really going to 128 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 3: get to see this kind of force fighting. I'm really excited. 129 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 2: I think that it's air you're breathing right now. 130 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 3: I also love, I really love Leslie Hedlund, and I 131 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 3: think that whatever we think this show is gonna be, 132 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 3: She's gonna make something completely different because Russian Doll is 133 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 3: legit like one of the weirdest best shows I've ever 134 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 3: seen if you haven't watched it on Netflix now. So yeah, 135 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 3: I just think it looks amazing and I can't wait 136 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 3: to do it. I'm actually going to be doing the 137 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 3: junket for the show tomorrow for IGN, so I hopefully 138 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 3: will be coming back with some insight into the show. 139 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 3: But yeah, can't wait. Looks great. 140 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: Next up, disappointing frustrating news for fans of a Russian 141 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: dirt bear who kills rare animals, Craven the Hunter has 142 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: been pushed back for a third. 143 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 3: Time Friday, December. 144 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 2: That's in good luck fosts this. 145 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: The original release date was January twenty twenty three, and 146 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: then it was pushback, push back to October twenty twenty three, 147 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: then August twenty twenty four, and now December twenty twenty four. 148 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: This is almost two years after the original release date. 149 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 2: They're spinning it. They're spinning it as positive. 150 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, Producertok said, quote Craven moved to Christmas because we're 151 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: excited about it, and Christmas is the best release period 152 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: there is when you get people with time to go 153 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: back to the movies over and over again. That was 154 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: a real reflection of how the studio felt about the movie. 155 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 1: We're really excited. But that's a great move that reflects 156 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: just the feeling about the movie. We wanted to delay 157 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,959 Speaker 1: it for a third time. It just shows how excited 158 00:08:59,000 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 1: we are about it. 159 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 3: I feel like this is either secretly like a fantastic 160 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 3: movie unlikely, or this is like a Cats level miss mistake, 161 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 3: because because if you recall fans of Cats and the 162 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 3: Star Wars universe, they decided Universal decided to open Cats 163 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 3: against Star Wars at Christmas because they were like, it's counterprogramming. 164 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 3: It didn't work. I'm guessing they've moved it to Christmas 165 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 3: because there's they're probably scared of Deadpool Depool comes out 166 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 3: in July depul Wolverine, so that will have long legs. 167 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 3: And they're moving it to Christmas because I don't know 168 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 3: what the big Christmas releases are this year because that's 169 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,599 Speaker 3: like a different world away. But I think this is 170 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 3: hilarious and I love the idea that they think people 171 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 3: are going to go and see it time and time again. 172 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 3: Was this because once again they were surprised that Madam 173 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 3: Webb became the number one Netflix movie and they were like, oh, 174 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 3: maybe we should release it again like morebeus. I don't know, 175 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 3: but this is hilarious and I love it. 176 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: Uh. 177 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 2: Finally exciting vague x Men use. 178 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: According to Deadline, the X Men movie is gaining momentum 179 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: over at the studio that houses the MCU quote following 180 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: the success of its animated series x N ninety seven 181 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: Marvel Studios. 182 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 2: It's now ramping things. 183 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: Up on its live action X Men movie with Hunger Games, 184 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: The Ballad of Songwords at Snakes scribe Michael Leslie in 185 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: negotiations to pen the movie. So this is what I 186 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: love about Listen. I read the entire article because anything 187 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: that says X Men movie, I'm gonna read that. Said, 188 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: the news here is that the project has quote gain 189 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 1: momentum because a screenwriter has almost agreed to do it, 190 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: literally has not quite yet agreed to do it, but 191 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: may soon. 192 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 2: Nevertheless, we are excited. 193 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 3: Yes we want an x Men movie. Will this guy 194 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 3: be the guy who writes it? Who knows that the 195 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 3: last of five screenwriters? But you know what, that was 196 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 3: a time when the MCU couldn't even make it an 197 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 3: x Men movie, So I'm taking it as a win. 198 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: Up next, we let the winds take us to the 199 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: Wasteland woo as we step out of the airline to 200 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: talk about furios. 201 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 3: Set in the eighteen years leading up to George Miller's 202 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 3: groundbreaking Fury Road. Furiosa tells the tale of the titular 203 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 3: would be Imperator from her days as a kidnapped child 204 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 3: in the wasteland, living under the wrathful eye of the 205 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 3: evil Dementus, played with much screen chewing a plum by 206 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 3: Chris EM's shoeing chew shoeing, chewing chewing all the way 207 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 3: to the literal events of Fury Road. It's a wild 208 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 3: wide through the wasteland that showcases the gorilla filmmaking skills 209 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 3: of Miller and the acting chops of his cast. Furiosa 210 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 3: had an intriguing path to the screen, originating as a 211 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 3: screenplay that was actually finished before Fury Road was even made, 212 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 3: then given to the cast and crew as a way 213 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 3: to build out the world. At one point the screenplay 214 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 3: was going to be an anime series. You might have 215 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 3: seen the leaked images from that. And actually one of 216 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 3: the things that I learned, I spoke to George Miller 217 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 3: at screening at the Imax, said cause, and he actually 218 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 3: said that there was one thing that made it from 219 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 3: the anime, which is the Teddy Bear that Dementus wears 220 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 3: on his chest. That was like the one thing that 221 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 3: had been that had made it through from the anime version. 222 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 3: And eventually it was made into a big screen movie, 223 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 3: you know, coming out nine years after Fury Road, and 224 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 3: that is the form that we will be getting it 225 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 3: in wide release weekend. Jason, what did you think of 226 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 3: the movie? 227 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: I thought it was an exciting and very much in 228 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: the world sequel prequel to Mad Max Fury Road. It 229 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: felt almost more akin to the first two Road Warrior 230 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: movies than Furiosa in a lot of ways, in terms 231 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: of the action, in terms of the scope, in terms 232 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: of the way it dealt with its characters. But if 233 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: you love listen, if you love Eroding, all the furios, because. 234 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 2: It was all there. 235 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: They're incredible action, the weird stakes, the like funny slapstick 236 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: like almost Charlie Chaplin esque moments that happened, and just like. 237 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 2: Action that you're like, I don't know how he did this. 238 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't believe that fifty people didn't die making 239 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: this movie. 240 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 2: It was just like it blows up. 241 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 3: I feels like that. Yeah, it's it's completely wild. I 242 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 3: find it. As soon as it started, I was like, Oh, 243 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 3: this man does not care if this movie is successful. 244 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 3: Like it starts with like a chapter break, and then 245 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 3: like a weird like Jodarowski esque like spinning scene with 246 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 3: like an old man doing like narration. It's like unbelievably weird, 247 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 3: and that really won me over, And yeah, I enjoyed 248 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 3: it thoroughly. I just thought, I think the thing I 249 00:13:55,160 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 3: like the most about it was it felt like there 250 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 3: wasn't any kind of care for the rules of like 251 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 3: franchise filmmaking. It didn't feel like you'd seen a prequel 252 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 3: and you had to make it like another prequel. It 253 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 3: didn't feel like he was particularly worried about making it accessible. 254 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 3: It didn't feel like he was like, Oh, I wonder 255 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 3: if people who like Fury Road are gonna like this 256 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 3: because Fury Road is set over like three days. In 257 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 3: this movie is set over eighteen years, and it's just 258 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 3: pacing wise, like completely different kettle offish, Like you have 259 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 3: an your Taylor Joy is only in the movie for 260 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 3: like half the movie. 261 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 2: She is up for an hour. 262 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 3: She doesn't show up for at least an hour. You 263 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 3: have a liar Brown who plays young Furiosa, who's so 264 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 3: fantastic and who gets to really grow and showcase the 265 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 3: journey Furiosa goes on. It's also incredibly gory. I'm sure 266 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 3: that Fury Road was. I've seen it so many times, 267 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 3: but I think that action kind of took focus. But 268 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 3: people are getting like torn apart in this movie, Like 269 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 3: it's it's gruesome. I'm I'm wondering if it will be 270 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 3: the blockbuster hit Warner Brothers wants it to be. I 271 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 3: want it to be that, but I do think it's 272 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 3: incredibly weird for like a Hollywood blockbuster. 273 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I suspect it will be certainly the at 274 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: the screening, Eye was at the reception and you you know, 275 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: so would be careful with these things. 276 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 2: Was electric. 277 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: People were cheering film. I do think, you know, summer 278 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: is the time for action, and this is like a 279 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: Walt Wall not quite as walts Wall as Fury Road, 280 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: but a Walt Wall action movie. And I think the 281 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: other interesting thing to me, which will I think be 282 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: really interesting to fans of the series, is this film 283 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: does more to establish the lore and the context for 284 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: the Wasteland then almost I need to go back and 285 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:01,479 Speaker 1: watch all of the movies in the series, but basically 286 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: more than any other film in this series, you learn 287 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: about the different citadels of the of the Wasteland, the 288 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: different fortresses wait to each other. 289 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, how we got to this place? And that was 290 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 3: another thing that shocked me where I was kind of 291 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 3: like WHOA, Like you really, I think he sees this 292 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 3: movie as a chance to build out this world that 293 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 3: he's been telling stories in for like fifty years, because 294 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 3: you're right, I feel like tonally this is actually closer 295 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 3: to the older Mad Max movies, but also it does 296 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 3: build out the law in a way that we've never 297 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 3: seen before. Like you learn so much, Joelle, just before 298 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 3: we were we came on and side recording was saying 299 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 3: to me her biggest takeaway was like, it adds so 300 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 3: much context and impact to Fury Road that when you 301 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 3: watch Fury Road again, you're gonna be like, oh, fuck, 302 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 3: like now I know these things, which I think is 303 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 3: huge because a lot of times a sequel can actually 304 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 3: a prequel can actually weaken the impact of the original movie. 305 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 3: But I do you feel like here they work equally 306 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 3: well as separate entities, but when you put them together, 307 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 3: you are getting an emotional core and a contextual kind 308 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 3: of landscape that does add to both versions, and it 309 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 3: was fun. It's I think as well. He's not afraid 310 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 3: to just introduce a new character or introduce an old 311 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 3: character and not do the kind of mcuification of like a, oh, 312 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 3: it's a cameo, or or oh, here's an explanation of 313 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 3: who this character is. He's like, no, here's just like 314 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 3: a scary, terrifying character. Do you remember them from Fury Road. 315 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 3: If not, here's a reason to be terrified, you know. 316 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 3: And I like the way he doesn't He trusts the audience. 317 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: If you loved Rictus Rectus from Man Max Fury Road, 318 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: guess what you get to meet his brother scabrous scrotus. 319 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 3: Oh he's the worst. I'm a hate. 320 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 1: And that overall kind of subtext of like big dumb dudes, 321 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 1: big dumb dudes and all the dumb shit they do 322 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: that is still here in as trenchet as ever in Furiosa. 323 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 2: I mean going. 324 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: I was watching The Road Warrior before Furious, and then 325 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: I watched some a Thunderdome and you know, I guess 326 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: when I was younger, it just went over my head, 327 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 1: like these the commentaries on like the big muscly dumb guy, 328 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: Like that's one of George Miller's absolute favorite, like pincushions 329 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: is the big dumb guy with the microphone. 330 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 2: He loves. 331 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: He loves to make that guy look scary and ridiculous. 332 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's no one better. 333 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. I also, really, I just love the fact and 334 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 3: obviously this is context outside of the movie, but it 335 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 3: still just blows my mind that the man who made 336 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 3: this movie is like the man who made Babe or 337 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 3: the man who made Fury Round is the man who 338 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 3: made Happy Feet Like that to me is and I 339 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 3: love the nature of his filmmaking. And I also like 340 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 3: the fact that his radical kind of filmmaking can have 341 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 3: an impact on people in real life. Because the guy 342 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 3: who played the Farma in A Babe, he became a 343 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 3: vegan after being Babe, after making Babe, and then became 344 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 3: like a very quite radical direct action environmental activist. And 345 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 3: I'm like, would that have happened if Babe had been 346 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 3: directed by anyone else? I don't know. I don't know. 347 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 3: I feel like that's George Miller's funny impact on that 348 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 3: kid's movie. 349 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: You know, it's funny speaking of Miller. I mean we 350 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: were talking before we start recording. You were noting the 351 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: kind of gentle, urbane grandpa, like very very intelligent grandpa 352 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: vibe that George Miller puts out. He strikes me as 353 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: someone like like if you didn't know who he was 354 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 1: and someone said, oh, that used to be be like 355 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 1: the ambassador to Spain, you'd be like, Okay, that makes sense. 356 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 1: And the juxtaposition of his very gentle, very keenly intelligent 357 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: persona with this, like with these films that have the 358 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 1: energy of just like a little kid like crashing toys together, like. 359 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 3: This is like cramy gorilla filmmaking. 360 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: It's like crazy to me because like that's really the 361 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: energy of these movies Furiosa and Mad Max, fur Your 362 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 1: Road and to a different extent, the previous Road Warrior 363 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: Mad Max movies is like part of what's great about 364 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: them is it's just that feeling of when you first 365 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: got action figures as a kid. Yeah, and you just 366 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: started throwing them on. 367 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 2: The ground or throwing. 368 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: Them against the wall and putting them in the microwave 369 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 1: or whatever it was. 370 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like you got a Bobby and you're like, you know, 371 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 3: trying it the Bobby. What if the Bobby took drugs? 372 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 3: Like you know, You're like, you'll okay, You're like, what 373 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 3: if I cut all the Bobby's hair off? That's Furiosa, 374 00:20:59,080 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 3: you know. 375 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: And it's it's so weird to square that with every 376 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 1: interview I've ever seen of George Miller, where he's just 377 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: a very very laid back, smart, well dressed normal dude. Yeah, okay, 378 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: do you want to do a box office prediction? Furiosa 379 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 1: opening weekend will do? 380 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 3: What? 381 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 2: Oh? 382 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 3: Okay? I So I'm going to go on the optimistic 383 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 3: side because I do feel like in this place where 384 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 3: we are right now, I think Firosa in the US, 385 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 3: I think it will open to like forty five mil. 386 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: Okay, that's about on track with I believe that's what 387 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: uh Fury Road did. 388 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 2: I like that'd be. 389 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 3: I think it's Look, it's R rated. I know in 390 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 3: America that's kind of a weird thing because you can 391 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 3: take kids to go and see an R. 392 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 2: Here's let me let me just stop there. 393 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, kids can get an R movies exactly, but they 394 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: do you know, the people that work at the movie theaters. 395 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:55,640 Speaker 1: It's not like the TSA, you know what. 396 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 3: I mean exactly, But you can just get any adults 397 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 3: to buy a ticket. And I just need to tell you. 398 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 3: In England you don't understand how much you guys, how 399 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 3: lucky you are. They will literally like make you take 400 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,239 Speaker 3: your passport to prove that you can go to an 401 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 3: eighteen movie, which is the equivalent of an rated movie. 402 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,959 Speaker 3: So it is like the TSA. But like so it 403 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 3: could be there could be that you know, families that 404 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 3: go into this. I will never forget go to a 405 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 3: twentieth anniversary screening. I think it was of Scream or 406 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:23,439 Speaker 3: like some kind of anniversary screening, and the kid the 407 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 3: whole cinema in Torrance. Here in California, it was just 408 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 3: like families, and there were like four year olds in 409 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 3: there who were like. 410 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 2: Yeay, ghost face, you know. 411 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 3: So, so I think that there is a generational thing 412 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 3: where this could And I think if that's the case, 413 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 3: if people so if Fury Roads kind of become that 414 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 3: like family action movie, the way that The Walking Dead 415 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 3: became a family TV show, we could be looking more 416 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 3: like a sixty mil opening, kind of like blowing up, 417 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 3: like word of mouth. But I think because it's a 418 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 3: little bit weird, because it's R rated, because we're in 419 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 3: this kind of cooler period. I thought the Full I 420 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 3: thought four Guy was gonna make so much money. I 421 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 3: thought it was the most accessible, easy to watch, much good, 422 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 3: easy to sell movie. But you know what, it didn't happen. 423 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 3: So I'm gonna I'm gonna play it safe. I'm gonna 424 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 3: say about forty five. 425 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna go on the slightly lower side. I'm 426 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: gonna say forty mm hm. And I too, I hope 427 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: it's a hit. Up Next, we're gonna talk more about 428 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: the Wasteland and George Miller's vision in the Omnibus. 429 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 3: Welcome to another edition of the Omnibus, where law, analysis 430 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 3: and understanding come together. Today, Jason digs into the very 431 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 3: troubled production of Fury Road and the horrors that Charlie's 432 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 3: Theron the Star had to put up with to make 433 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 3: that classic movie. 434 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: In the summer of twenty fifteen, after over twenty years 435 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: of ideation, production and various hurdles, George Miller's Mad Max 436 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 1: Fury Road debuted in theaters, instantly becoming an action movie classic. 437 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: Among the many, many, many fascinating details of the film's 438 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: tourvirtuous path through production, it's the onset antagonism between its 439 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: stars Tom Hardy and Trumps Theron that has become kind 440 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: of like legendary Hollywood lore. The short version, they really 441 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: didn't get along at all, and tensions escalated to the 442 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: point where Thron has said she felt unsafe on set. Now, 443 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: for those who love Mad Max, love Fury Road, love 444 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 1: the Mad Max universe, I highly recommend Kyle Buchanan's Blood, Sweat, 445 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: and Chrome book came out in twenty twenty. 446 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 2: It's an oral history of. 447 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 1: Mad Max Fury Road, and I use it a lot 448 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 1: as a resource for this essay. I also use the 449 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: Mad Max Furior behind the Scenes documentary, which you can 450 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: find on Warner Brothers YouTube. But that book is really 451 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: great and gives you a really firm, an engrossing understanding 452 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 1: of just how difficult it was to make this movie 453 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: and how difficult it was for the act There's specifically, 454 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,360 Speaker 1: we didn't have a script, Thron says in the book. 455 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 1: We had pictures, and I think that's just part of 456 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: the problem. 457 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 2: The other part of the problem why. 458 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 1: It was so difficult for the actors is you know, 459 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: if you've seen Fury Road, you know it's basically all action, 460 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: a continuous chase scene, which is what George Miller first 461 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: envisioned when he first got the idea for the movie 462 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: back in the mid eighties, and it's a movie with 463 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: minimal dialogue. By the time principal photography commenced in Namibia 464 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: in twenty twelve, Miller had by that point spent decades 465 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: visualizing and perfecting each sequence in his mind through the 466 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 1: use of an over thirty four hundred panel storyboard that 467 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 1: took up a room. However, understanding the full scope of 468 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 1: the vision for the crew, for the camera people, for 469 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 1: the actors was really a challenge, especially in our form 470 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: like move making, which is by necessity very collaborative. Miller's process, however, 471 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 1: often left actors puzzled about their characters, about their motivations, 472 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 1: about what they were doing, the relevance to the story. Okay, 473 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: why is that? Here's a quote from camera operator A. J. 474 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,919 Speaker 1: Johnson to kind of give you a window into it. 475 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: He'd call action and then okay, cut and the actor 476 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: would be like, hang on, what can we keep on 477 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: going for a bit and George would say, no, no, I 478 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: don't need that bit. Set dresser Tate van Oodshorn is 479 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 1: quoted in Blood, Sweat, and Chromis saying that Miller was 480 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: shooting six days a week, twelve to fourteen hour days 481 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: to achieve twenty four to thirty seconds of usable footage 482 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: per day. So usually when you film a scene, let's 483 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,199 Speaker 1: say we were making a movie about Rosie and I 484 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 1: doing X Ravis right, we'd shoot like a master coverage shot, 485 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 1: which is, you know, one camera set up so that 486 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: it gets both of us and we'll record the podcast, 487 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 1: we read our lines, and then there'd be a second 488 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: and third setup for Rosie's close up and my close 489 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: up respectively. Right, And going through the scene three or 490 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: more times would give Rosie an idea of like, okay, 491 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: I know who I'm playing, I know what we're talking about, 492 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: I know how this fits in the overall story. With George, 493 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: because there were so many moving parts and dozens of 494 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: stunt people, cars that have to be rolling, he would 495 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 1: shoot things that would be like, Okay, an explosion just 496 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: happened to your right, look to your right. 497 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 2: Cut. 498 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 1: Okay, now there's a guy that just jumped on the truck. 499 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: You look up and see him. 500 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 2: Cut. How do you figure out who your character is? 501 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,439 Speaker 1: What is my character feeling? Where does this scene exist 502 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: in the movie? I have no idea, And so that 503 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: was very confusing for the actors and made it very complicated. 504 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,199 Speaker 1: It was also a very conf using and frustrating for 505 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: the camera operators as well, because you could never feel 506 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,679 Speaker 1: like you were getting a rhythm. Another thing about actor 507 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: is before we dive into the specifics, just to kind 508 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,679 Speaker 1: of defend them a little bit, or defend Tom a 509 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 1: little bit, you know, it's a very naked and vulnerable process. 510 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: You're doing something that if you could step back and 511 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: watch yourself doing, it's fucking ridiculous. Like there's all these 512 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 1: people around and you're like screaming and crying and doing 513 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 1: a thing that doesn't exist that. You know, maybe you're 514 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 1: acting to a tennis ball or whatever, and to do 515 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: that you just have to be like naked to emotion. 516 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: And I think there's no way for it to not 517 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: creep into the rest of your workday, your life, your dreams, 518 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: et cetera. Okay, so Tom Hardy. Tom Hardy was originally 519 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: cast three years before shooting started. That's a pretty long window. Originally, 520 00:28:55,520 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: Miller envision Mel Gibson reprising his role as Max. Then 521 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: the first kind of furtive attempt at filming the movie 522 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: was halted by nine to eleven and the kind of 523 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: global financial crash that happened after that. Then Mel had 524 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: to exit when it turned out he was a really, 525 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: really terrible human being. Which side note, George puts it 526 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: in very diplomatic terms in the Mad Max behind the 527 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: Scenes documentary on YouTube. I think he says something to 528 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: the effect of, then Mel had his personal problems. He's 529 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: a very interesting way to put it. So when production 530 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: years later eventually started up again, Miller settled on a young, 531 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: not yet well known. 532 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 2: Actor named Tom Hardy. 533 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: Now fast forward three years, filming has started, and in 534 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: that time Tom Hardy has become a star it was 535 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: an inception and his bane in the Dark Knight. And 536 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: on the one hand, this is great, we have a 537 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: star in our movie. On the other hand, now Hardy's 538 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: reps and the studio are like, hey. 539 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 2: Why does this guy not speak? 540 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: We've got this guy who's a draw and he doesn't 541 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: say anything. And also Tom is confused about like what 542 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: he's doing in any given moment and doesn't know who 543 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: he is. Tom Hardy notably is a very method type 544 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: actor who wants to live in the role, and he 545 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: didn't feel like there was enough there to dive into 546 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: to live with. So another screenwriter, Kelly Marcel, who had 547 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: previously worked with Hardy on Bronson, was brought into how 548 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: both Hardy and Thorn understand their roles better, and this 549 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,239 Speaker 1: usually took the form in just kind of improvs as 550 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: their character that would never be in the movie, that 551 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: would never happen, but just so they could try and 552 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: inhabit the character more. Next, we come to the clash 553 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: between Hardy and thro On. Maybe there's a world in which, 554 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: no matter the circumstances, they would have clashed anyway. They 555 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: have very very different approaches to acting, and everyone in Blood, 556 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: Sweat and Chrome notes that they are very for people 557 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: with very different takes on their craft. That said, the 558 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: shoot was not ideal. The Namibian desert was very challenging, 559 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: not just that the temperatures, but in the pace. Forty 560 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: days were cut off the shooting schedule from one forty 561 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: to one hundred, so they were under a tremendous amount 562 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: of pressure. Also, security on the set was a problem. 563 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: There was a lot of break ins, burglaries, muggings of 564 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: crew members, etc. 565 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 2: Charlie's was a new mom there's. 566 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: A lot of stress already built in. 567 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 2: To the process. 568 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: Now, according to those who were on set in the 569 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: book Tension between Heart and Thron, it was there basically 570 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: from the beginning. Ricky Schomberg, who was a member of 571 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: the camera crew, observed that quote Tom is very provocative, 572 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 1: Charlie's isn't, and it was a clash. Fight coordinator Richard 573 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: Norton noted Tom would want justification for every bit of choreography, 574 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: not just in the actual action, but in the pre 575 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,239 Speaker 1: setup of the action. Charlie's, on the other hand, had 576 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: a straightforward desire. I want to kill him. Jay Houston Yang, 577 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: who's part of the marketing department and would see. Dailies 578 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: noted that quote. It was clear that those two people 579 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: hated each other. Hardy's frequent tardiness amplified this. He was 580 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: often hours late to set, with people just standing around 581 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: and then na maybe in desert, waiting for him. There 582 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: is one day that is particularly detailed and talked about 583 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: in Blood, Sweat and Chrome, where Charlie's apparently had just 584 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: had enough of waiting for Tom. She's in full hair 585 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: and makeup. Call time eight am. She goes and sits 586 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: in the war rig and is waiting there for hours. 587 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 2: Crew is coming up to her and saying, do you 588 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 2: want to take a break, Do you want to go 589 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 2: to the bathroom? Do you need anything? You you want to 590 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 2: And she's like. 591 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 1: No, no, She's making a point of it, like calling out, 592 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 1: like I'm here, ready to go, where's Tom Hardy? 593 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 2: Three hours past? 594 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: Tom Hardy kind of just casually saunters across the sands 595 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: up to the war rig, and by all accounts, Charlie's 596 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: blows up on him, calls him to the carpet, saying, 597 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: you know, how could this is so disrespectful? You should 598 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 1: be fined. You're making all these people stand around and 599 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: wait for you. Tom apparently reacted very aggressively to this, 600 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: and Charlie's quoted as saying it kind of came to 601 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 1: blows between me and Tom, which I mean, if you 602 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 1: take that at face value, they essentially physically came together 603 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: and fought, perhaps, and after this, thron apparently felt unsafe. 604 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: She's numerous quotes in Blood Sweating chrumb where she's saying 605 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: she just didn't feel Listen, they have. 606 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 2: A lot of scenes together. 607 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 1: A lot of those scenes are antagonistic where they're almost 608 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 1: fighting in the movie. They have a fight scene in 609 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: the movie they're sitting a foot from each other in 610 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: the cab of a war rig, and Charlie's was saying 611 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: she felt very exposed, very vulnerable. She asked for a 612 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: female producer. 613 00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 2: To come in. 614 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 1: That was kind of agreed to. But then Miller, who 615 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: has been again shepherding this very very specific vision that 616 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 1: he understands to the screen over the course of two decades, 617 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 1: was a little bit like, well, if I led another 618 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: producer on, they're going to try and change my movie. 619 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: He fought it a little bit, and eventually the movie 620 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: got made, of course, and I think everybody came to 621 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: a place where they felt regretful about the ways they. 622 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 2: Went about it. 623 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 1: Tom Hardy was a little bit more dismissive, but I said, like, 624 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,720 Speaker 1: I wish I could have handled it better. He notes 625 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 1: that he was feeling pretty insecure his stepping into the 626 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:43,240 Speaker 1: shoes of Mel Gibson, an iconic character, and he didn't 627 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 1: know what he was doing. George Miller is later quoted 628 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,319 Speaker 1: as saying, there are things that I feel disappointment with 629 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 1: about the process. Looking back, if I had to do 630 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: it again, I would probably have been more mindful. 631 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 2: Well, it's a learning process. 632 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 1: And I don't think Charlie Starn will ever work with 633 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 1: Tom Hardy Agan, and I don't think Georgia. 634 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 2: Villa will ever worked with Tony again. 635 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 3: But that was it. 636 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: They hated each other and they actually fought, physically fought, 637 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 1: crazy crazy movie wild Up. 638 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 2: Next we talked Blockbusters. 639 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, welcome to the back matter section, where, just like 640 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,719 Speaker 3: our favorite comics, we end the show with a little 641 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 3: bit of insight into something really really cool or important, 642 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,839 Speaker 3: or something that we just feel like you guys would 643 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 3: probably like to hear us talk about. And today seeing 644 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 3: as we're talking about Furio, so which is you know, 645 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,319 Speaker 3: really hopefully going to launch the summer blockbuster season. After 646 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 3: a couple of misfires, we're gonna talk about it. What 647 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 3: is the summer blockbuster season? How did it start? Well? 648 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 3: Since the seventies, some has been a really lucrative time 649 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 3: for studios to release big budget, high concept films with 650 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 3: a list stars and flashy spectacle. 651 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 4: Jaws exactly, those are the big Jaws is really seen 652 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 4: as the beginning of summer blockbuster season, flashy spectacle young 653 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 4: moviegoers or on break from school, you can make money. 654 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,320 Speaker 3: This season typically runs from March to Labor Day and 655 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 3: accounts for forty percent of Hollywood's annual box office revenue. 656 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 3: I would say in the last decade or so, because 657 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,399 Speaker 3: of Marvel, we kind of see it starting in May 658 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 3: now is usually the first weekend of May what we 659 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 3: call the free comic book Bay movie. So this year 660 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 3: it was The Fall Guy, which obviously didn't kind of 661 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 3: spark off that blockbuster box office that people wanted. But yes, 662 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 3: like you mentioned stars the Stars, that's the scary Jaws 663 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 3: in space movie. No Jaws Star Wars. But even like, 664 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,239 Speaker 3: the really interesting thing about some blockbuster season is it 665 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 3: became so well known and kind of predictable for audiences 666 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,799 Speaker 3: that even smaller films like Clueless and which I love 667 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,920 Speaker 3: like one of my favorite movies, and laya Liar, the 668 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 3: Jim Carrey movie found like huge audiences and massive paydays. Obviously, 669 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 3: post you know, two thousand and eight, let's say the 670 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,799 Speaker 3: summer blockbuster has evolved into like a more established IP 671 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 3: franchise space. Marvel would always release their big movie on 672 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 3: that first weekend of May to coincide with Free Comic 673 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 3: Book Day, and since then, you know, with the whole 674 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 3: conversation of is Hollywood doomed by IP and comic book 675 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 3: movie fatigue, they've also had the conversation of does summer 676 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,399 Speaker 3: blockbuster season still matter, especially when you know we've had 677 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 3: releases as February has now become a space where you 678 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 3: can release a huge blockbuster. That used to be a 679 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 3: space where they would bury a movie, but after the 680 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 3: success of Get Out it really opened up the space 681 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 3: for horror movies. Then obviously we had Black Panther that 682 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 3: opened then that was just absolutely massive. So I think 683 00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 3: that that the idea of where we can open a 684 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,799 Speaker 3: movie now has broadened distinctly, but still it still has 685 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,840 Speaker 3: a big shadow of a Hollywood the side air of 686 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 3: the summer blockbuster. 687 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 2: I think one of the most interesting recent developments which 688 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,400 Speaker 2: you really saw pickup speed over. 689 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 1: The pandemic was digital releases coming at times right on 690 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,480 Speaker 1: the heels of the theatrical release. Fall Guy, which I 691 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 1: think we both noted had a little bit of a 692 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 1: disciplining run in the theaters, is coming to digital two 693 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:34,360 Speaker 1: weeks after it's run in theaters beginning just two weeks. 694 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,880 Speaker 2: And you know, this has been a thing that. 695 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 1: Cinema theater chains and companies and owners have complained about 696 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 1: because obviously that cuts into their bottom line, But I 697 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: think it's it's indicative of how different the business is now. 698 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,399 Speaker 1: Like normally you'd be like, Okay, leave it, leave Fall 699 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 1: Guy there, and you hope it builds an audience over time. 700 00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it would. With fo Guy, it could have 701 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,600 Speaker 3: happened as well, because in its third week of release, 702 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,840 Speaker 3: which is the same time that they're about to launch 703 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 3: this vod it would It actually only dropped forty percent 704 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,839 Speaker 3: from its first week, which is actually a really good 705 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 3: hold for any movie. So it feels like that word 706 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 3: of mouth could have built up. And we've seen with 707 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 3: movies like Pixars Elemental, which had you know, a real 708 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 3: it would think it was Pixar's lowest box office release 709 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 3: since Toy Story, not even adjusted for inflation. But it 710 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,239 Speaker 3: ended up making almost half a billion dollars because it 711 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,160 Speaker 3: stayed in and families took their time and they heard 712 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,759 Speaker 3: it was good from a different family and they went, 713 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,760 Speaker 3: and the word of mouth meant that it was able 714 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:41,320 Speaker 3: to make a really great box office kind of qum, 715 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,080 Speaker 3: you know. And I think it's a shame that they're 716 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,280 Speaker 3: doing this with full app with a full guy, because 717 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 3: I thought it was a really great movie. It deserves 718 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,319 Speaker 3: to be seen in the cinema. But I did read 719 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 3: something really interesting which is apparently now a new Hollywood 720 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 3: strategy is and this was not the case with four Guy. 721 00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 3: Thought I had an unbelievable huge marketing spend, like we 722 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:03,920 Speaker 3: saw it everywhere. This was not the case. But with 723 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 3: some movies, like horror movies. The first omen Taro was 724 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,520 Speaker 3: a recent one. I was reading an interesting article about 725 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 3: how apparently studios now will do a lower marketing budget 726 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,239 Speaker 3: with the knowledge that if the movie doesn't do well 727 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,319 Speaker 3: at the cinema, they can just immediately put it on 728 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,000 Speaker 3: VOD and get some of their money back. So it's 729 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,000 Speaker 3: almost it's changing so much that they're prepared for it. 730 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,839 Speaker 3: But it's really interesting because obviously it's not the same 731 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,839 Speaker 3: with every movie, so like doing Part two, which made 732 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 3: a ton of money, that's been two and a half 733 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,240 Speaker 3: months and it's only just about to go on Max. 734 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,560 Speaker 3: So yeah, I find the whole thing really interesting, and 735 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:46,239 Speaker 3: I do think it's a shame in this particular situation 736 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,920 Speaker 3: that the fall Guy is kind of falling into this trap, 737 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,960 Speaker 3: because I do believe it could have found it and 738 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,719 Speaker 3: it will find its audience. It will be like so 739 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,080 Speaker 3: many movies before it, Scott Pilgrim, a movie that didn't 740 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 3: make very money much money at the cinema, you know, 741 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,560 Speaker 3: True Roman, and the Quentin Tarantino written, Tony Scott directed movie, 742 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,280 Speaker 3: which is like one of my all time favorite movies. 743 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,400 Speaker 3: Another movie that didn't really make a lot of money 744 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,880 Speaker 3: at the cinema but found a new home on home video. 745 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:13,840 Speaker 3: So I guess in a way this could be like 746 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,359 Speaker 3: a modern version of that, where people can find a 747 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:21,120 Speaker 3: new fandom for these movies when they're on VOD and 748 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 3: the way they used to find it in the video shop. 749 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,520 Speaker 1: Do you think that the age of the sleeper film 750 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,319 Speaker 1: you know, the film that like opens very quietly and 751 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 1: then builds through essentially word of mouth in the theater. 752 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,319 Speaker 1: Do you think we're just that just doesn't it just 753 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,439 Speaker 1: doesn't exist anymore. We're never gonna see that like by 754 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:47,560 Speaker 1: big fat Greek wedding type of movie that just opens 755 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 1: very soft but then grows and grows and grows because 756 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:52,640 Speaker 1: people are like, Hey, that's a really fun movie. 757 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 2: Are we gonna gonna see that again? 758 00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,759 Speaker 3: I think we will likely see it again, because this 759 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,600 Speaker 3: stuff is all cyclical, and I'm sure that there will 760 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,600 Speaker 3: be some movie that will come out that was a small, 761 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,439 Speaker 3: low budget movie that they're not even really concerned about 762 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,399 Speaker 3: putting it on VOD and it will end up making 763 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,560 Speaker 3: a ton of money. Kind Of honestly, everything ever where 764 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 3: at all at once was almost that movie. And yeah, 765 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 3: because because that had the small, staggered release and it 766 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,719 Speaker 3: ended up making a lot of money and becoming this 767 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,000 Speaker 3: huge hit that nobody saw. But I do think it's 768 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,040 Speaker 3: gonna be a lot less likely now. I also think 769 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:31,800 Speaker 3: this is another sad kind of trend towards the erasure 770 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,319 Speaker 3: of like the mid budget movie. You know, like we 771 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,960 Speaker 3: like Joel pointed out that, you know, the zach Efron 772 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,279 Speaker 3: movie Iron Claw, which everyone who saw it thought was 773 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,520 Speaker 3: going to be like a huge Oscar movie but didn't 774 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 3: end up being that way. It's had huge success once 775 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,120 Speaker 3: it hit VOD. So I think that we're in this 776 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:52,160 Speaker 3: space where we're gonna see more mid budget kind of 777 00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:58,600 Speaker 3: drama movies going to VOD going straight to streaming as well. 778 00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,640 Speaker 3: Sadly need to see a change in the way cinema 779 00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,080 Speaker 3: go are looking at films to kind of see it change, 780 00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:07,719 Speaker 3: but I hope not, because I do think there's so 781 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,719 Speaker 3: many fantastic movies out there, and I would love to 782 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,440 Speaker 3: see more movies getting cinematic releases rather. 783 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,960 Speaker 2: Than less same. That's it for our show. 784 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,440 Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more extra vision on Thursday when we're 785 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,759 Speaker 1: hopping into the time capsule to talk about the much 786 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:28,640 Speaker 1: maligned but actually good, fun, solid movie The Marvels, and 787 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,920 Speaker 1: on Friday dropping a mini bonus episode about Echo on 788 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:33,640 Speaker 1: Disney Plus. 789 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,920 Speaker 3: I want to say that this is actually very relevant 790 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,319 Speaker 3: because guess what The Marvels is, a movie that didn't 791 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,280 Speaker 3: do well in the cinema has now found an audience 792 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,600 Speaker 3: on Disney Plus. Yeah, look at how we tied that together. 793 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:46,319 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening, See you next time. 794 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:55,120 Speaker 5: Bite x ray Vision is hosted by Jason Gitsubsion and 795 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,359 Speaker 5: Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts. Our 796 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,680 Speaker 5: executive ducers are Joelle Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our supervising 797 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:08,400 Speaker 5: producer is a Boo Zafar. Our producers are Carmen Laurent 798 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,799 Speaker 5: and Mia Taylor. Our theme song is by Brian Basquez. 799 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,600 Speaker 3: Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Laude. Kenny Goodman 800 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,040 Speaker 3: and Heidi our discord moderator.