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Speaker 1: So you've done that. Your resume shows movement, and now

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Speaker 2: Know, in my opening press conference because it made a

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Speaker 2: I'm not the same coach I was seventeen eighteen years ago.

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Speaker 2: I better be better, right, you know, I don't have

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Speaker 2: I am today, and I want the same thing out

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Speaker 2: Appreciative the opportunity. And they didn't bring me back for

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Speaker 2: And our job is to is to what we did

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Speaker 2: It's been the same formula we had twenty some years, Josh.

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Speaker 1: Do you find that the guys who still exhibit those characteristics,

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Speaker 2: You know, the number one problem I think in youth

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Speaker 2: You know people that I care about, the school that

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Speaker 1: What is it like to watch a guy who, uh,

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Speaker 3: You know, it makes me remind me.

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Speaker 3: Do we make a mistake bringing him here? Listen to that?

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Speaker 3: But you can also foster that.

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Speaker 1: That's why I can't stand when people just use that

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Speaker 1: When someone asks you hey, man, what's what's West Virginia football?

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Speaker 2: You know, I've always thought, and I think even before

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Speaker 3: You know, that to me is who we've always been.

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Speaker 2: Line I say, way too many four letter words, right,

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Speaker 3: Fire alarms got to go off, you know.

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Speaker 1: When you are interviewing people for staff positions, sometimes you've

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Speaker 2: And I don't want it. That's a good point. I

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Speaker 2: I'm grateful for all the opportunities I had throughout my career.

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Speaker 3: Like you know, I don't you know, people know the

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Speaker 2: But it's but I have a great appreciation to be

440
00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,600
Speaker 2: able to sit right here talking with you, to be

441
00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:24,160
Speaker 2: the head coach at West Virginia for.

442
00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:24,880
Speaker 3: The second time.

443
00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,560
Speaker 2: And if I want my players, like I said, my

444
00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:32,000
Speaker 2: coaches to be appreciative, I'm the first one that is appreciative.

445
00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:32,560
Speaker 3: Of the opportunities I've had.

446
00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:34,879
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see if you have ever run a foul

447
00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,080
Speaker 1: on this. When I go back home. I'm always really,

448
00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,760
Speaker 1: really careful not to talk about how hard I work

449
00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,080
Speaker 1: or how many hours or how far you travel, because

450
00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:45,160
Speaker 1: you know, man.

451
00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:46,080
Speaker 3: How hard are they doing that?

452
00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,760
Speaker 2: They worked absolutely afternoon shift in the coal mines, you know,

453
00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:51,800
Speaker 2: for for eight or nine hours, and then come home

454
00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,000
Speaker 2: and work in the garden for four or five hours.

455
00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,600
Speaker 3: I've seen it firsthand, you know, well my old man

456
00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:56,919
Speaker 3: did it.

457
00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,640
Speaker 2: So it's you know, we could coach because this one

458
00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,920
Speaker 2: gets to me. Coaches complain about now, Josh, about all

459
00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,760
Speaker 2: the transfer portal and nil and all this stuff, and

460
00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,639
Speaker 2: you know it bothers you because it's not fair and

461
00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:10,760
Speaker 2: it's not in the competitive world like it should be,

462
00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:12,840
Speaker 2: and they've got to fix it. But man, have you

463
00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,000
Speaker 2: ever been in the coal mine? Have you ever did

464
00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,000
Speaker 2: some of the work that these folks do every day?

465
00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,879
Speaker 2: And so I would hope that we as coaches, we

466
00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,480
Speaker 2: were a little bit more appreciative of being able to

467
00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,359
Speaker 2: sit now we've worked it. I didn't, you know, I

468
00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,879
Speaker 2: didn't get this job by getting a winning lottery ticket,

469
00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:28,360
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

470
00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:29,399
Speaker 3: We worked to get it.

471
00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,800
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of folks doing a lot harder

472
00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:33,880
Speaker 2: jobs than what we're doing.

473
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Speaker 1: One of the other aspects of a community like this,

474
00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,640
Speaker 1: it's no different in a different vein than the community

475
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:43,760
Speaker 1: I came from, is extremely prideful and they take it

476
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:44,800
Speaker 1: personal when you leave.

477
00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,080
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and I know it.

478
00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:51,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. So once upon a time you had it all here,

479
00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,439
Speaker 1: you left, and full circle, now you came back. I know,

480
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,440
Speaker 1: even recently when you came back, you had to deal

481
00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,080
Speaker 1: with some people who still hadn't really gotten over the

482
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,920
Speaker 1: feelings and the bitterness. What's that interaction been, like.

483
00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:03,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been.

484
00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,280
Speaker 2: There's always a little bit of negativity. I think my

485
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,240
Speaker 2: press conference opened up with a little bit one of

486
00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,520
Speaker 2: the pitt fans that snuck into the building or something,

487
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,119
Speaker 2: and God bless them, of course, but it's uh, you know,

488
00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:19,880
Speaker 2: you understand maybe when they were upset, if they weren't upset,

489
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:21,920
Speaker 2: then maybe that would bother you, you know what I mean.

490
00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 2: But I think the timing of it all, you know, certainly,

491
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 2: and being being a local guy coming and I had

492
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,119
Speaker 2: some different frustrations with where, you know, we want the

493
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,440
Speaker 2: program to keep going and and all that, and I

494
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 2: made a mistake leaving. But I also made a mistake

495
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,720
Speaker 2: probably not having a press conference to explain it all.

496
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 3: But the apology tours kind of over now, you know.

497
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 2: I mean, I've been here a couple of months, and

498
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 2: everybody's been really, really positive.

499
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:47,880
Speaker 3: You know, there's still.

500
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:51,439
Speaker 2: Probably a handful of folks that are upset because it

501
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,920
Speaker 2: left and there's been there. They come up with crazy

502
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,440
Speaker 2: conspiracy theories and some stuff that is absolutely ridiculous.

503
00:21:58,440 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 3: They don't even.

504
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 2: Bother us sponts responding to that deal. But the overwhelmingly

505
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 2: amount of folks that I have seen have talked to

506
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 2: over the last four or five months have been really

507
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 2: great to hear about. I don't know, if so much

508
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 2: just me individually of just that era or that type

509
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 2: of success that we had and wanting to bring that back.

510
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 2: I think that's more of it than anything that, Hey, coach,

511
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 2: we want to get back to what we're playing on

512
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 2: national TV and winning championships and having a chance to

513
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 2: win it all.

514
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 3: And that's my goal too. So we're all lyned the

515
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 3: same way.

516
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,200
Speaker 1: The what if game is always the most fun game

517
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:37,919
Speaker 1: to play because no one can be right, no one

518
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,440
Speaker 1: can be wrong, so they're no losers, they're only participants.

519
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 1: I remember sitting there. I was at the corner of

520
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 1: Winton Road in Columbus, Georgia, listening to radio when the

521
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 1: headline came down that you're about to take the Alabama job,

522
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,919
Speaker 1: and I think, man, Rodriguez has killed it at West Virginia. Man,

523
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 1: how to Alabama pull that off? And then a few

524
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,120
Speaker 1: hours later, well maybe not so fast. And then fast forward,

525
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 1: Nick Saban takes a job. Everyone knows how that turns out,

526
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 1: and then you go on to Michigan and everyone knows

527
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 1: how that's turned out to this point. How big an

528
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 1: inflection point is that moment in college football history? Like,

529
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 1: think about the different paths we could have gone down.

530
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was somebody did a story about that because

531
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 2: obviously with with coach saving success, you know, the greatest

532
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 2: college football coach ever, you know, not even question that

533
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 2: and how that thing kind of went full circle.

534
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 3: And you know, that's why I tell her, I remember I.

535
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 2: Didn't go to Alabama the year before, so it was

536
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 2: uh and there's some of the things that that happened

537
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 2: then that keep me here, you know, came up later

538
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 2: on too, one year later. But I used to always

539
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,360
Speaker 2: tell a story, So where's my trophy in Tuscaloosa? Right,

540
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 2: where's my statue outside there? Because it had gone there.

541
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 4: You mean, I had those six You probably wouldn't have

542
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 4: those six national championships and all that, but it was

543
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 4: you know, that's what's so interesting about my journey and

544
00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,199
Speaker 4: how things one decision can affect a whole lot of

545
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 4: different programs.

546
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 2: And you know, that's the sport we're in, that's the

547
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 2: profession we're in.

548
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 3: But I've also learned from that too.

549
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 2: From from that standpoint of every season I've had, every

550
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 2: decision I've made in my coaching career, you know, I've

551
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 2: never really took time to reflect on it, and I

552
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,120
Speaker 2: probably say, oh, well, I retire, I reflect on it

553
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 2: but when there was a little bit of time in

554
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 2: space in between. I think it was two thousand and

555
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 2: it might have been after the Louisiana Monroe deal when

556
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 2: I was coached down there and coached my son down there.

557
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 2: I had a month or two before I went there

558
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 2: to like, Okay, let's let's reflect on what this career

559
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 2: has been, where I want to go forward with it.

560
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 2: And I finally just said, you know, let's not worry

561
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 2: about the past. That's be as good as we can

562
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 2: be today, be better tomorrow.

563
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 3: And then see where it takes us. And that's what's

564
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 3: led me. Hear. I think you.

565
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 1: Were talking a little while ago about how you hope

566
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 1: you're a much different and better and smarter head coach

567
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: now than and you would have been two thousand and seven.

568
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 1: Let's say if you drill down on specifics like glaring

569
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: areas where you circle, you go, I know I'm better there,

570
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 1: I know I'm better here, what would those be?

571
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 2: You know? I don't know if I'm as different as

572
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 2: maybe I'm think I'm more advanced and better, you know,

573
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 2: more more aware of certain issues, probably because that back

574
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 2: then I was I had some head coach experience at

575
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 2: a small school level, but it was my first big

576
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 2: school head coaching job.

577
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 3: You know.

578
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 2: Now I've had you know, fifteen years of head coaching

579
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 2: experience at bigger schools whatever it is since then, so

580
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 2: I've I've got more experience doing that leading bigger programs.

581
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 2: I think that's that's why I'm better. I'm still too impatient.

582
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 2: I've never had much patience, and I don't think that's

583
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 2: ever changed. You know, I'm still overly obsessed with every

584
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 2: practice and every rep and every practice like I've been.

585
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 2: So from that standpoint, I hadn't gotten better at. But

586
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 2: I also think from a scheme standpoint and all that

587
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 2: I've had enough years and every day I look at

588
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 2: different what people are doing.

589
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 3: Not that I can I'm gonna change.

590
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 2: Our play or playbook, but I look at it, but

591
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 2: that's pretty neat. How can we fit it into our program?

592
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 2: But it's also outside of those things. How How are

593
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 2: my relationship with the players different now they were back then.

594
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 2: I think I've always had a great relationship with our

595
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 2: players because the culture and the program has been where

596
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 2: one they know they're going to work hard, but two

597
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 2: they're also going to be taken care of and they

598
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 2: care about something bigger than themselves. That's always been the culture,

599
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 2: and that's the culture that we have now. And so

600
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 2: from that standpoint, I'm kind of, you know, the same

601
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 2: in our demands, but from a standpoint of how you

602
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 2: approach every you know, individual, how you coach every individual

603
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,439
Speaker 2: and all that, you've had to alter a little bit.

604
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 2: But again I bring back to Josh, we still coach

605
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 2: our guys. I think good players want to be coached

606
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,239
Speaker 2: and they want us to make them better, and so

607
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 2: we still do that.

608
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 1: What was the process like from the first time you

609
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: got the inclination that coming back here could be in

610
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: the cards, to the time sign on the dotted line.

611
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 1: How long was that and what was that process?

612
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, people think these things are going for months. This

613
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 2: goes on for days and sometimes hours.

614
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 3: You know. We were in the middle of playing for

615
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 3: a conference championship at Jack Stayton, so my focus was

616
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 3: on there.

617
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 2: You know, we had had a zoom call before about

618
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 2: a week or so before the championship game, and there

619
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 2: I think a zoom called a bunch of people might

620
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 2: have been twenty different people, you know.

621
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 3: Because every ad has a list.

622
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 2: But then the process once the starts goes pretty quickly,

623
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 2: so we had a zoom call. And then after a

624
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 2: championship game when we got a call about doing an

625
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 2: in person interview, then okay, boy, this is now, it's

626
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 2: really serious. And they came down to our house in

627
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 2: Alabama and did that interview.

628
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 3: So when that happens, then you know it's real.

629
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 2: Okay, now, okay, it's not a one in eighteen chance,

630
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 2: it's a one in three or four chance. And I

631
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 2: didn't have as many friends, I mean, my closest friends.

632
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 2: Some of my closest friends are all up here or

633
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 2: up here, you know, wanting to make calls for me.

634
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 3: Whatever I said, don't overburden them with that stuff. You know,

635
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 3: they know where I'm at.

636
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,239
Speaker 2: If there's some interest and all that, we'll see how

637
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 2: it happens. And they still made some calls, but not

638
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 2: I don't think they made There wasn't like a you know,

639
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 2: fifty of them calling every day and bugging our athletic

640
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 2: director and all that. So you know, when the interview

641
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 2: process went well, and then the next thing you know,

642
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 2: we got the call to come up here. And so

643
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 2: I'm still very appreciative folks of Jack State, because I

644
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 2: think again, I wouldn't have got this opportunity had we

645
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 2: not had some success in jack State and.

646
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 3: Absolutely loved it there.

647
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 2: But to come back and hopefully finish my career right here,

648
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 2: went in a championship.

649
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 3: And do it in my home state is going to

650
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 3: be pretty special.

651
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: When you first got back here, I don't know if

652
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: had you been back here since.

653
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 3: No, I had not been to Morgantown in seventeen years.

654
00:28:58,680 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 3: I don't think.

655
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: So you come back and it's anyone can imagine coming

656
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: back home after they've been gone for a little while.

657
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: But you also add on you just happen to be

658
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: the head football coach and once upon a time you

659
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: ran this place and then you leave and you hadn't

660
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: been back and you walk back in, how did it

661
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:12,959
Speaker 1: strike you?

662
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 3: First?

663
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: And secondly, what were the things you looked around and

664
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: immediately said, we got to do this, we got to

665
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: do this, we got to add that.

666
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

667
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 2: Well, walked into the facility and the base from the

668
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 2: outset looked pretty similar, but my office was looking toward

669
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 2: the parking lot.

670
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 3: Now it looks over the state. There you go.

671
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 2: Fifty million dollars has been put into the stadium with

672
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 2: player development, the Cabinetiera and academics center, all the things

673
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 2: that you would every player needs for development. We have

674
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 2: We didn't have any locker, brand new locker room. Some

675
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: of the stuff I wanted to get done seventeen years ago,

676
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 2: they got done, you know, five, five or six years ago.

677
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 2: Maybe I had to leave for them to do right.

678
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,719
Speaker 2: So they but they did a great job with it.

679
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 2: The facility looks phenomenal, and so that part of it

680
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 2: was in place. And then you know, a lot of

681
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 2: the same folks that have worked at the university worked

682
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 2: in town here, we're still here.

683
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 3: And so trying to remember all their names.

684
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 2: But there's such friendly people in the state of West Virginia,

685
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 2: so passionate about West Virginia University and our football.

686
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 3: Program and athletic programs.

687
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 2: It was really neat to see that when I come back,

688
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 2: and so I kind of soaked it in. It took

689
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 2: an hour or two to kind of soak it in

690
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 2: on the day of the press conference, and then it

691
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 2: was immediately okay, what we got to do to win?

692
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 2: And so then you look at the rash, Oh my gosh,

693
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 2: we got a bunch of seniors that are starting there leaving,

694
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 2: and then a handful of guys that are probably gonna

695
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 2: go in the portal at that and so the next

696
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 2: thing you know, it's all there's two guys the remaining

697
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 2: that started gains for us.

698
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 3: That's it.

699
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 2: So we better get on We better get on our

700
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: horse and get some recruits. So it's been NonStop since then,

701
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 2: just roster management. You're putting the system in during the

702
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 2: spring practice, which we thought that went well, hiring a staff,

703
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 2: a bunch of new coaches I thought were really good.

704
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 2: So it's been pretty hectic.

705
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: How when you take over a program, you always have

706
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: probably a little roll indecks in your mind of assistance

707
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,479
Speaker 1: that you got on speed Doll. I always know if

708
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the job, I'm going to hit him up.

709
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: I'm going to hit him up. How many people end

710
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: up on your staff or in an administrative capacity on

711
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: your staff that you really never would have had on

712
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:11,959
Speaker 1: your radar a month prior.

713
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was always a handful, Like there was a

714
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 2: handful of guys who'd been with me for a long

715
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 2: long time to understand, you know, exactly how we want

716
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 2: to run our program, what we want to do.

717
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 3: So that was good. I was able to bring a core.

718
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 2: Group of guys with me that were with me at

719
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 2: Jack State or had worked with me at other places.

720
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 2: You know, maybe I'd like Zach Ally. He was with

721
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 2: me at Jack State, then he went to Oklahoma. Well,

722
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: I couldn't compete with Oklahoma when I was at Jack State,

723
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 2: but I'm at West Virginia I could. So I was

724
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 2: able to hire him and he was a key piece.

725
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 2: But you know, there was a good straight head strength

726
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 2: coach here, Mike Joseph that was already here who I

727
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 2: knew of. But I also had Parker Whitman, who was

728
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 2: my head strength coach at Jack State.

729
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 3: I wanted to have him as well, so I was

730
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 3: able to hire both of them.

731
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 2: It's really neat so having the resources to get the

732
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 2: guys that you really want to put together. And there's

733
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 2: also a handful of new guys that you know, A

734
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 2: couple of guys that we were going to hire left

735
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 2: for other opportunities, and I was I were able to

736
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 2: hire really good guys that take their place. So if

737
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 2: you have enough resources, there's a lot of really good

738
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 2: coaches out there. What I wanted to make sure I

739
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 2: had was a mix of veterans, a couple older guys

740
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 2: that kind of been there done that, whether in my

741
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 2: system or somebody else's that can recruit well. And then

742
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 2: some young hungry guys that want to get after it

743
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 2: and recruit and and coach guys up. And so that's

744
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 2: that mix came together really well.

745
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: You've talked about your first time here and then the

746
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: decision making process behind leaving, and you just blunt about it.

747
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: You say, yeah, I made a mistake when I left

748
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: her first time. I don't think a lot of folks.

749
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of guys in your profession

750
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: would be that honest. They know it internally, but they

751
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't be that honest about it.

752
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 2: And I say that, you know first, because it's easy

753
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 2: to say, well geez, because it didn't work out at Michigan.

754
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 2: I still think had we had one more year, we

755
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,959
Speaker 2: would have, you know, because the third year we went

756
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 2: to a bowl game. In the fourth year they went

757
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 2: to Sugar Bowl, and all the kids that were making

758
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 2: all the plays, you know, when they had that great

759
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: year where kids that we recruited we developed. So you know,

760
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 2: I just think it was there was a lot of

761
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 2: circumstance that happened. But I also think there was you know,

762
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 2: I was like said, worst thing I have is I

763
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: don't have very much patience.

764
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 3: And I was being impatient here because I was.

765
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 2: Losing coach coaches and we were playing for championships and

766
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 2: and you know, I probably could have sit back and said, hey, hey,

767
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 2: I can let's let's let's take some time.

768
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 3: And and and and we can work it out here.

769
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: So you know, obviously in the hindsight it's easy, right,

770
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 2: but it was. It was a mistake, but it was

771
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 2: so very Rarely do you get that chance to come

772
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 2: back right and and finish it and and uh and

773
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 2: make it right, so to speak.

774
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: But it makes you qualified because they are gonna be

775
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: thousands of people who watch this or listen to this

776
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: that in some walk of their life are in a

777
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: sweet spot right now, but they don't know it because

778
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: they're too busy being impatient or looking for what's around

779
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: the bend. And it's a billion people have learned that

780
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: lesson you just end up being a billion in one.

781
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: But now, do you find yourself above and beyond being

782
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: the head football coach at West Virginia, do you find

783
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: yourself being in a position where, if folks ask of you,

784
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: you do have some pretty good advice. You do have

785
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 1: some pretty good life lessons you can draw on to

786
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 1: share with them.

787
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think there's I hope, more than just

788
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 2: to your point, more than just from an athletic standpoint

789
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 2: or a coaching standpoint. You know, it's a lot of

790
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 2: people in life standpoint, they're kind of they may feel

791
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 2: kind of stuck where they're at, or frustrated where they're at,

792
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 2: and sometimes it's just communicating with more people or or

793
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 2: maybe trying to seek another avenue to make make your

794
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 2: yourself happy. I always tell everybody it's kind of, you know, selfish,

795
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 2: but my happiness.

796
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 3: Is based on winning. You know.

797
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 2: If we're winning in football, I'm happy. If we're not,

798
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 2: I'm miserable. And probably everybody around me is the same way.

799
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:53,760
Speaker 3: Right.

800
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 2: But uh, you know, and that is that the formula

801
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 2: that you have to have to have success. Oh, that

802
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 2: just happens to be my formula.

803
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 3: I remember that.

804
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 2: My life has been you know, but it's been that

805
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,959
Speaker 2: way since I started playing Little league baseball in grant Town,

806
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 2: West Virginia, or junior high basketball at Fairview Middle School.

807
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 2: It's been like if we went out, had a good day,

808
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 2: If we lost, I had a miserable day, and that's

809
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 2: never changed. I like to say, Jos said it may

810
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 2: change someday.

811
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 3: I don't think it will. So we'll see.

812
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: Everyone who watches the sport right now. They're really curious

813
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: about how when you take over a job in the

814
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: old school, you would just implement your recruiting strategy and

815
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: you would tell everyone, suck it up. We may need

816
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: to torch the barn to kill the rats and build

817
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: it back up from scratch. But today, since you have

818
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 1: the portal at your disposal, you could overturn a lot

819
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: bigger chunk of a roster. At one time, you got

820
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: have forty or fifty or sixty new kids in a

821
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: program over the span of twelve months. That used to

822
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: not be possible. But yet I would imagine, knowing you,

823
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: that you still want to have the same bedrock developmental

824
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: principles and evaluation principles, and let's build this thing through

825
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,240
Speaker 1: high school the way you always have unless I'm wrong.

826
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 3: And so.

827
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,280
Speaker 1: How do you set expectation for yourself for what's possible?

828
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: Year one? And what I'm trying to ask is do

829
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: you have to in some cases resist trying to just

830
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: go out and grab everything you possibly can at the

831
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: expense of doing it long term the way you want to.

832
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's no question.

833
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 2: The goalpost of moves. You gotta move with it. You know,

834
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 2: last year Jack's Day, we had sixty new players, and

835
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 2: we started off the season, you know, losing a couple

836
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 2: of games, but I thought we were going to be

837
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 2: better as the season went long.

838
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 3: We did. We wound up winning the conference. You know,

839
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 3: this is the same way.

840
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 2: We're gonna have probably seventy seventy five new players.

841
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: That's insane, that number. Crazy to take two or three

842
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: years to do that.

843
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so you I mean, so you're you're building

844
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 2: the culture, You're building a System's got to happen on

845
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 2: speed now. You're speed dating now in recruiting. I mean,

846
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 2: it's not you know, I have two three years of

847
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 2: build relationship. You might have two or three days. You know,

848
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 2: That's what's so crazy about it now. But if you

849
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 2: want to win, you got to adapt to where it is.

850
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 2: And our coaches all have to adapt. And you can

851
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 2: complain about all you want, and we still will, but

852
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 2: it is what it is.

853
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 3: And so what do we got to do to win?

854
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 2: Every decision I make right, it was based on doesn't

855
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 2: help us win and so but at the same time,

856
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 2: you can't sacrifice your culture.

857
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 3: And that's the hardest part today, Like in spring ball.

858
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 3: You know, maybe you're a.

859
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 2: Culture of what you expect your players to do whatever,

860
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 2: and maybe a guy's upset and he's a starter, and

861
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 2: you know, people are afraid that he's going to get

862
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 2: in the portal. Well, you can't give in to him

863
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 2: and have the culture for a hundred other guys be set.

864
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 2: And so that was the hard part of the spring.

865
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: To our guys credit and a lot of them hadn't

866
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 2: played much or whatever, I thought, they really bought into

867
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 2: what we were wanting them to do or what the

868
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 2: kind of atmosphere we wanted to coach in.

869
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 3: And it was different.

870
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 2: Every coach has their different way of doing things, and

871
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 2: there's been you know, my way or the way if

872
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 2: we've done things, is not the only way to have success.

873
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 3: That's just the way I know, you know, other guys

874
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 3: have different ways to do it.

875
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 2: And so I was hopeful at the end of spring

876
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,919
Speaker 2: to gosh, I hope we don't have to also could

877
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: start over again with our culture and start over again

878
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 2: with a bunch of new players. You know, we have

879
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 2: to start over with some new players, but we found

880
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Speaker 2: enough in the spring to buy into it that we

881
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Speaker 2: think the culture was established.

882
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Speaker 3: Now does that mean we're going to win right away? Now?

883
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 3: I hope so. But you know, when least got.

884
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Speaker 2: It, I think we're off to a great start so far.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned something a little while ago. I kind of

886
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Speaker 1: wanted to come back to it. If you are head

887
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 1: coach in Texas or California or Georgia or whatnot, you

888
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Speaker 1: could sit there and sell the concept of a California player,

889
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Speaker 1: or a Texas player or a Georgia player, knowing full

890
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: well you could throw a rock outside your window and

891
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Speaker 1: find twenty five per cycle that are capable physically of

892
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Speaker 1: playing for you in that state. That is not the

893
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: case in West Virginia. But you still preach the values

894
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Speaker 1: of what it means to be a West Virginia football player.

895
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: But could you talk a little bit more about how

896
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Speaker 1: that's a lot more about a bullet pointed set of

897
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Speaker 1: values and principles And there could be a kid in Cody,

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899
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Speaker 1: selling them to come here and hopefully finding enough percycle

900
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Speaker 1: that embody that that a generation from now when they

901
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Speaker 1: look back, you don't really think Orlando or Wyoming. You

902
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Speaker 1: just say, that's West Virginia. Kid.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that could be.

904
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Speaker 2: You could be from inner city Atlanta, you could be

905
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Speaker 2: from somewhere else, and it's still adapt well to our

906
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 2: our program, our town, our state. You know this is

907
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Speaker 2: a small state. We know the majority of our roster

908
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Speaker 2: is going to be from out of state. That's what

909
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Speaker 2: makes us kind of unique and I think kind of

910
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Speaker 2: special is that you can be from somewhere else and

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Speaker 2: come here.

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Speaker 3: Yet embody what the values of.

913
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 2: The state of West Virginia's about, and more importantly, embody

914
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Speaker 2: what this program is all about. And I think that's

915
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Speaker 2: you know something that they having some of my former

916
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 2: players on staff, or having some of the former players

917
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 2: around and our guys seeing the pride they have for

918
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 2: this program, their pride from each other, and they're from

919
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 2: all different places across the country. That's what helped us

920
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Speaker 2: build a championship program the last time.

921
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Speaker 3: That's what's gonna help us build it now.

922
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Speaker 1: What is the thing maybe that you find you have

923
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Speaker 1: to give up the most because of what this job

924
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Speaker 1: I'd love to maybe do a little bit more of this,

926
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Speaker 1: But it ain't any time.

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Speaker 2: It's free time, There's no question about it. You know,

928
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Speaker 2: it's it's free time. Like I can remember. I like

929
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Speaker 2: the golf. I mean, you used to have time.

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Speaker 3: Now caim Jesus. Do I even have one day a

931
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Speaker 2: Or you know, so pick a ball, you can play

933
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Speaker 2: a lot faster. You can play that in an hour.

934
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Speaker 3: You know.

935
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Speaker 2: Maybe that's why I've geared toward that a little bit more.

936
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Speaker 3: But you know, you are everybody.

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Speaker 2: But you know, all coaches talk about sacrifices they make, right,

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Speaker 2: But I mean, doesn't the coal miner make sacrifice? Doesn't

939
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941
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Speaker 3: So, hey, you ain't got it that bad. You know,

942
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Speaker 3: we got a pretty good gig, you know.

943
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Speaker 2: I mean some maybe we don't have you know, every

944
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945
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946
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Speaker 1: What do you hope people say about you way on

947
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948
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Speaker 1: written and yeah, what do they want to say about you?

949
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Speaker 3: I hope they've want to enjoy the experience.

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Speaker 2: Here's what this is sound kind of Pollyannis, I said,

951
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Speaker 2: one of my goals. Obviously we want to win championships

952
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Speaker 2: I hope in ten or fifteen or twenty years from now,

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Speaker 2: if you ask them, would you do it all over

955
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956
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Speaker 3: So I want them to enjoy the experience.

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Speaker 2: I want them to enjoy each other and then have

959
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,520
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Speaker 2: coaches say that all the time, but are they really

961
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962
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Speaker 3: Whether it's a coach or a player.

964
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Speaker 2: If they say that, then I think I've done my job.

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