1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: Hey guys, we are back on normal. Show it normally 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: she takes for when the news gets weird. Carol is 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: enjoying her trips, and Kelly Maher of Colorado joins me 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: again today. Her organization is restoring Standards dot com. She's 5 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: just working on being normal, basically improving the incentive structure 6 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 1: in politics so that people who enter it can be 7 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 1: more normal. 8 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 2: It's a beautiful thing it is. It's standards. That's what 9 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 2: we're trying to do. 10 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: Hence the name. Thanks for being with us. Absolutely, there's 11 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: like important things going on in the world. But first 12 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: I think we need to talk about a Vibe Shift 13 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: ad campaign starring Sydney's Sweeney, which okay for anyone who's 14 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,279 Speaker 1: been living under a rock and has not seen this. 15 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: Sidney Sweeney is a starlet of Buxom proportions. She's lovely. 16 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: I like her. I first saw her in White Lotus, 17 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: I think, and I think she's good. She's in interesting. 18 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: One of the things I like about her actually is 19 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: she has an interesting face. Instead of looking exactly like 20 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: the carbon copy of every Instagram influencer these days, I 21 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 1: know many people would say her face is not the 22 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: first thing they noticed but I'm just saying for me 23 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: at any rate. Sidney Sweeney says this starlet. She was 24 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 1: hired by American Eagle to do a jeans commercial and 25 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: since that time, about a week and a half ago, 26 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: I have never thought or talked about American Eagle so 27 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: much in my life. And this is the reason. So 28 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: Sidney Sweeney is a blonde, blue eyed, beautiful woman. She's hot. 29 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: She loves hot in jeans. She's working on an old 30 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: muscle car in the In the ad, by the way, 31 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: I was wondering, like, what's Sydney fixing the car? Which 32 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: is she working on? In there? We just changing an 33 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: air filled Like what's going on anyway? Yeah, she closes 34 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: the hood, a nice shot of the rear, she goes 35 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: to the car, she zooms off and some of that 36 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: over the the The voiceover for these ads is her 37 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: saying that she has good genes, right, yeah, good genes 38 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: because she's hot. So it's g E N E S 39 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,399 Speaker 1: and j E A N S. 40 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 41 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:28,399 Speaker 1: Okay, are you Are you scandalized yet? Kelly so scandalized 42 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: you should be scandalized, according to the media. The media 43 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 1: says this is and many well, it started with influencers, right, 44 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: So TikTok. Crazy people are like, this is Nazi eugenicism 45 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: because it refers to genes. It she's blue eyed and 46 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: blonde haired. This is a racist dog whistle, to which 47 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 1: I say, like, it's just a hot chick wearing genes. 48 00:02:56,280 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 1: That's it. There's a hot chick wearing jeans. So now 49 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 1: it's become like a mainstream controversy. So let me play 50 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: Good Morning America explaining this controversy. 51 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 3: Tim to check the pulse. We begin with the backlash 52 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 3: of our new ad campaign featuring actress Sidney Sweeney. 53 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 4: The ads are for American Eagle and the tagline is 54 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 4: Sidney Sweeney has great genes Now. In one ad, the blondehair, 55 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,399 Speaker 4: blue eyed actress talks about genes as in DNA, being 56 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 4: passed down from her parents. 57 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 3: The play on words is being compared to Nazi propaganda 58 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 3: with racial undertones. 59 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 5: The pun good genes activates a troubling historical associations for 60 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 5: this country. The American eugenics movement and it's prime between 61 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 5: like nineteen hundred and nineteen forty, weaponized the idea of 62 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 5: good genes just to justify white supremacist Despite. 63 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 4: That backlash American Eagle stock has been sword. 64 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: Despite the backlash, Someone argue because of the much it 65 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: is up apparently eighteen percent, there's a notable change. 66 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 2: Is this controversy real, Kelly? Does anybody actually object to 67 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 2: this ad? That's I think that's really the question, right. 68 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 2: But my when I see stuff like this, and there's 69 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 2: always something like this, right, there's always some controversy somewhere 70 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 2: with somebody. Is the person who made the ad? Were 71 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 2: they anticipating that this was going to happen? And then 72 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 2: we're like walking up to like the controversy line or 73 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 2: the outrage line in order to just try to push 74 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 2: people to pay attention, because, as you said, you haven't 75 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 2: paid this much attention to American Eagle. 76 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: I haven't since I was. 77 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 2: A thirteen year old angsty wanted to wear good jeans, 78 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 2: you know, like, haven't I haven't thought about it that much? 79 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 2: And now it's is it two Q by half? Is 80 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 2: it nothing. 81 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: People will like to get mad about? This is the 82 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:16,239 Speaker 1: thing that I refer to as a cultural reply all. 83 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: You know, when you're in a big group of people, 84 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: or in an office setting or what have you, and 85 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: someone accidentally sends out a full company email and then 86 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: everyone replies all to this massive reply all, and they 87 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: keep replying all to say stop replying all to this, 88 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 1: thereby perpetuating the reply all. It's you. I think that's 89 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 1: what this is. There's like four people who said it 90 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: was a problem. Those four people got a lot of attention. 91 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: The attention got attention. They're by creating more TikTok psychos 92 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: who are happily to be happy to be psycho about 93 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: any number of things, and they're like, this is the 94 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 1: thing to be psycho about, So I'm going to do that. Bendreyfus, 95 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:09,119 Speaker 1: by the way, I wrote a piece entitled everyone upset 96 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: about the Sydney Sweeney ad is mentally ill and I 97 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: think that's my that's my take. And then, because it's 98 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: rating to talk about these insane people, right media continues 99 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: to talk about it and continue to validate it because 100 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 1: many left of center people have this leftover twenty twenty 101 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:31,559 Speaker 1: twenty one act angst that makes them want to say like, yes, 102 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: this turned toward like, oh, I don't know a more 103 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: like Budweiser circa nineteen ninety one. Vibe in our advertising 104 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 1: is not what we want. We want the woke ads 105 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty and twenty twenty one. Right, well, and 106 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: this goes back to that. 107 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 2: And by the way, I'm replying all right now exactly, 108 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 2: we're part of the problem, acknowledging it while still talking 109 00:06:58,760 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 2: about it. 110 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: I'm the problem, not the solution. I tweeted about it 111 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: like four times yesterday. 112 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 2: I mean, but this goes back to this underlying question 113 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 2: of I think you know this story. One of our 114 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 2: mutual friends and I make a joke all the time 115 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 2: about your metabolism as we eat cheese and uh chocolate, 116 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 2: and we're like, maybe Catherine and her metabolism as we're 117 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,119 Speaker 2: snacking you my brunette friend. 118 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: Yes, I talk about your jeans all the time. 119 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 2: Right, like the idea that some people are naturally pretty 120 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 2: like you. 121 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: That's not mutual. Thanks. Yeah, No, I think that Maria 122 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: should say, like, the good jeans are hot jeens. That's 123 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: the point. M h yeah, Ben Wrights. Ben Dreyvius writes, 124 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: the ad is a naziad. Duh, how is it a Naziad? 125 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: The real question is how isn't it a naziad? Because 126 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: it's obviously a Nazia. Let me count the ways. Number one, 127 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: it's visual and the Nazis loved visuals. Number two it's 128 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: in English, a Germanic language. Number three, Sidney Sweeney is 129 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: blonde and blue eyed, and the Nazis loved those things. 130 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: Number four American eagle eagle. They loved eagles. Americans love 131 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: bald eagles. But this is not a bald eagle. It's 132 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: just an eagle. Could have hair, could not have hair. 133 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: How am I supposed to know anyway? American schwashedika. Number five. 134 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: The Nazis liked eugenics, I mean eugenics. And number six 135 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: Sidney Sweny eagles SS makes you think, yeah, I mean again, 136 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: and it is working for American eagle. Of course, I'm 137 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: not sure that they anticipated it would work this well. 138 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: But whatever staff put this together has got to be 139 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: like well done. 140 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 2: That is my question with some of these things, right, Like, 141 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 2: sometimes when these things blow up, it either goes very 142 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 2: poorly or it goes very well and it's just a gamble, 143 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 2: don't know. 144 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, this is so funny because the ad 145 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: itself is so ana dyne. It's like so much less 146 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: risky than so many things we've seen over the years. 147 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: It's it's like, I think, tastefully shot. It's she's a 148 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: fun chick, like I just it's so not in advertising clothes. Yeah, 149 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: it's so not something to be mad about. And yet 150 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: the headlines are vanity fair Sidney Sweeney under fire after 151 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: controversial American Eagle ad campaign backlash against Sydney sweeney jeans 152 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: jeans ad gets mocked by the White House. So now 153 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: it's to the president as well. Does Sidney Sweeney's American 154 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: Eagle Great Jeens campaign mark a shift for advertising? I 155 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: like that one because it's from NPR and notably not insane, 156 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: which makes makes me think they're like, please give us 157 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: our money back. We are not insane, but nobody's gonna 158 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: give you your money back because it's our money. But she's 159 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: also in the government, like I digress. I looked it 160 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: up because I remembered that she was in trouble for 161 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: something else before, like a couple of years ago. And 162 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: it's the stupidest thing. This happened in twenty twenty three. 163 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 1: I knew she had been in trouble, in trouble quote 164 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: backlash quote under fire for something right leaning or right 165 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: coated in the past, and it is this that in 166 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three she went to a birthday party for 167 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: her mother who turned sixty, and she took some pictures 168 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: there and she's in some pictures there, And the hats 169 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: made for this event were read and said make sixty 170 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: great again. Business insider Sweety and her family faced criticism 171 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: last August over what people on social media perceived to 172 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,719 Speaker 1: be maga hats popularized by her president doct drop it 173 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: as supporters. Sweeney's brother Trent pointed out that they say 174 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 1: make sixty great again, but it became a whole thing 175 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: and she had to, Like she didn't really back down, 176 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: which is one of the reasons I like her. She 177 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: did just say, like, these are my mom's friends, it's 178 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: my mom's birthday party. It's like, what do you do it? Crazy? Yeah, 179 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: so people are crazy, and she did not, I think, 180 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: sort of cave in that instance and recognized it to 181 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: be silly. And I hope the same is true of 182 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: her and American Eagle this time around. I think it 183 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: probably will be. 184 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. Being hot is sometimes, at least in part, a 185 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 2: genetic thing. 186 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: It just is. It's Oh I do have I also 187 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: have audio of one of the insane influencers, and she's 188 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: a she's a surgeon, so she wants to give you 189 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: a scientific take on this. Do we have that one? 190 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 6: The Sydney Sweenie Arian Eagle ad is not only xenophobic 191 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 6: and racist, it's also scientifically inaccurate. She says, genes often 192 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 6: the determine hair color and eye color. I'm sorry, often 193 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 6: that's literally what they do. If they're not determining hair 194 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 6: color and eye color, what is it's giving red Pill 195 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 6: podcasts bro with no marketing experience clearly running their ad department. 196 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 6: And I just hate when companies make content trying to 197 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 6: use medical or scientific terms and then completely fuck it up, Like. 198 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 1: It's not that hard to. 199 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 6: Google what genes do, how DNA works. Do genes often 200 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 6: determine our traits? Or do they always determine our traits? 201 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: Okay? Can I say one thing, which is that if 202 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: I ever I met my sergeant and she talks like bus, 203 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: I am going to ask for another sergeant. 204 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 2: Also, she's never heard of colored context, nor has she 205 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 2: ever heard of hair dye before. 206 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 1: But sometimes a box at the drug store does determine 207 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: our hair color? Yeah? True, sure, yes, yes, that's true. Anyway, 208 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: It's like sorry, I mean, yes, I can't. 209 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 2: I can't determine what she they cannot definitively say right right, oh, 210 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 2: oh my god. Notably that surgeon pretty genetically hot. Look 211 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 2: at he's blond and blue eyed. Yeah, I want to 212 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 2: be like, Okay. 213 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: Is there a dog whistle here? Anyway? I think American 214 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: Eagle will happily continue to make more money. I don't 215 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 1: anticipate that they'll back off of this over the seventeen 216 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 1: people who are actually mad about it, as Ben Dreyfus 217 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: calls them, the most insufferable people on the Internet. I 218 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: think we're all very familiar these types of people. I 219 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 1: did want to notice. Also Jarvis the the Great X 220 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:59,599 Speaker 1: account or, he says he offers some upcoming Sweeney projects. 221 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: One Sidney Sweeney is an elite race car driver Elizabeth 222 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 1: fast Rubber. But can she win the season title and 223 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: become a Master Grand Champion? Find out this fall only 224 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: in theaters in Mester Race. Oh no, so fun. So 225 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: there's a whole thread of those that he came up with, 226 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: if you guys would like to check them out. Okay, 227 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: I think we're done with the cultural reply all. Who 228 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: knows how long it will last again, when this happens 229 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: with the whole company, it can be days. And days 230 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: of back and forth, meaning stop talking about it, stop 231 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: talking about it. 232 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 2: The question is what actual news or are we not 233 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 2: paying attention to because of this? And the answer is 234 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 2: probably a lot, right. 235 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: Probably a lot, Probably a lot. Congress is an in 236 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: session at the moment. Are they so like we're clear 237 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: on that right or are they anyway? 238 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 2: Three percent GDP growth? 239 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: What perhaps if Congress had better jeanes I would pay 240 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: more attention. Okay, shall we move on to actual serious news? 241 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: We should just chat through an update on the Israel 242 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: Gaza war and Israel fighting on many fronts, having subdued 243 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: many of its would be annihilators from Hesbela to the 244 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: Hooties to Hamas. It's you know as usual. Israel's performance 245 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: has been improbable. They have their intelligence service has done 246 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: amazing things eliminating many of these forces and their leadership 247 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: through all sorts of crazy daring do and also the 248 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: on the ground war that is not intelligence based like 249 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: the Hesbola hits and such. Beyond the ground war in 250 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: Gaza remains pretty brutal, with Israeli soldiers dying there, with 251 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: much of Gaza reduced to nothing or very little infrastructure. 252 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: Except for the infrastructure that Hamas terrorists would like to 253 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: keep in place underground, even that has taken a hit, 254 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: and the question, the big issue, as it has been 255 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: throughout the war, is the care and distribution of food 256 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: to civilians within the Gaza strip, always very challenging, always 257 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: unlike any other war footing in history, it is considered 258 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: Israel's responsibility to fully maintain the civilian population of Gaza, 259 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: as it's fighting a war. Hamas, which rules Gaza, which 260 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: is the government of Gaza on the international stage, has 261 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: no responsibility for feeding or housing its own civilian population 262 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: and in fact uses them and abuses them in awful, 263 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: awful ways to make things worse for Israel and to 264 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: make it harder to fight them. But there has been 265 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: like a fairly large shift. A couple days ago there 266 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: was an attempt at yet another ceasefire, and you'll never 267 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: guess who didn't accept the terms, Kelly, was it Israel? 268 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: What is it? Was it Israel refusing to cease fire 269 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: or was it Hammas sang it was once again Hamas 270 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 1: saying no. And in that moment as Hamas once again 271 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: illustrated that it will not return hostages or accept terms 272 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: of a ceasefire. Suddenly it became like a real, strident, 273 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: full media wide, international community wide outrage that even though 274 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 1: all these people have been saying that many people and 275 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,439 Speaker 1: Gaza have been starving the whole time, suddenly they were 276 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: really really, really really really more. 277 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 2: Starving, right, and a lot more pictures of like starving 278 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 2: looking children right hitting the media, which is the thing 279 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 2: that makes people get real edgy. 280 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: Yes, and a note on that front, The Washington Post 281 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 1: posted a picture of a child. Heart like, heart wrenching 282 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 1: photo of a child held by his mother. His spine 283 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: is visible, his his ribs are visible. And the implication, 284 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: in fact, I think outright claim was that Israel is 285 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: specifically starving this child. Yes, and in fact that child 286 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: had other nutrition or other medical issues, which is why 287 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: he looked the way he did. And in fact, his 288 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 1: brother was standing in the photo and was cropped out, 289 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: one might imagine, because he didn't look unhealthy. 290 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 3: Hmmm. 291 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: So the New York Times, excuse me, The New York 292 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: Times posted this photo, I think, I said Washington Post earlier. 293 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: So the New York Times posted this and they added 294 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: on their New York Times Communications pr X feed, not 295 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: on the main feed, not on the front page. Of 296 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:58,199 Speaker 1: the paper where the photo was featured an appended editor's note. 297 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: Children in Gaza are nourished and starving, as New York 298 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: Times reporters and others have documented. We recently ran a 299 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: story about Gaza's most vulnerable civilians, including Mohammed Zakaria al Motelwak, 300 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 1: who is about eighteen months old and suffers from severe malnutrition. 301 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 1: We have since learned new information, including from the hospital 302 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: that treated him in his medical records, and have updated 303 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: our story to add context about his pre existing health problems. 304 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 1: This additional detail gives readers a greater understanding of his situation. 305 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: Our reporters and photographers continue to report from Gaza bravely, sensitively, 306 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: and at personal risk, so that readers can see firsthand 307 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 1: the consequences of the war. Okay, so again, that's not 308 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 1: a proper correction. It doesn't even take responsibility for having 309 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 1: not given people the real information. And this is the thing. 310 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 1: I believe that people are suffering in Gaza. I for 311 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 1: sure think that's real. Stop lying about it, Stop misrepresenting things, 312 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: because that makes everybody go But what is real? What 313 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 1: can we trust in? What can we not? And then 314 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: the other question is how are people still starving when 315 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: millions and millions and millions and millions and millions and 316 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 1: millions and millions of meals, yeah, have gone into the 317 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 1: country throughout the entire conflict. 318 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 2: I mean, this is this is one of these like 319 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 2: larger questions about what AID looks like just in general. 320 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 2: I had I had a was it a presentation by 321 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 2: a really fascinating guy from the Act and Institute a 322 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago and talking about like African Aid. 323 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 2: We're talking about these when you are in a conflict situation. 324 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 2: Oftentimes the ruling party, right Hamas for instance, plenty of 325 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 2: evidence that they take the AID in whatever form it is, 326 00:20:55,080 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 2: right and turn it into a weapon, yes, right, whether 327 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 2: you're trading it, whether you are using it as a 328 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 2: tool of oppression against your own people. And this is 329 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 2: this is, you know, on a much smaller scale. 330 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: I was. 331 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 2: I was driving with my two boys, six and eight 332 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 2: the other day and in Denver right now, there's lots 333 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 2: of you know, panhandlers, and my children were like, the 334 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 2: sign says these hungry mom right, hungry, this is a 335 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 2: hungry person. We must act, we must like And both 336 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 2: of my kids go to Catholic school, so they're like 337 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 2: Jesus says, mom, we have to give this person money, 338 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 2: and like the nature and question of aid is a 339 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 2: really hard one because we are called to help hungry 340 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:53,360 Speaker 2: people and also in some cases it is possible that 341 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 2: those methods that we use are then turned on the 342 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 2: population and can be in fact more harmful for those people, 343 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 2: and we have to a six and eight year old 344 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 2: is yeah, trying to but it's essentially the same argument 345 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 2: that one would make on an international stage, because that's 346 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,239 Speaker 2: about where our reading level is. 347 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: Yes, and you know there is evidence despite what the 348 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: New York Times says, which came out with this wild 349 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: ass story right headlined, no proof Hamas routinely stole you 350 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 1: in aid? Is Israeli military official say that is wild, 351 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: That is counter to everything that pretty much like even 352 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: people who are nominally like pro Palestinian Cause or even 353 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: pro Hamas are like, yeah, they mess with these supplies, 354 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: they resell them, they take charge of them. They're the 355 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: ones who in the past have claimed to have been 356 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: distributing them. If they're not distributed, that seems like it 357 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: should be on them, and it never is. So because 358 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 1: this is a problem with Unruh, which is the UH, 359 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: the Refugee Agency of UN that works hand in hand 360 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: with Hamas. Because Anra is so notoriously bad, Israel and 361 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: the US got together and formed the Gaza Humanitarian Fund 362 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: to feed hungry gossins. And they have a way that 363 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: they do that that is approved by these two organizations, 364 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 1: to keep aid workers as safe as possible, to allow 365 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 1: the food to actually get to hungry gossens. A right 366 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: to people. Our friend Guy Benson knows the Gaza Humanitarian 367 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: Fund is feeding hungry gossens, with the US footing the 368 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 1: bill and Israel blessing the efforts we've distributed. They've distributed 369 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: tens of millions of meals. Hamas has murdered their aid 370 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: workers that happened a couple weeks ago, and threatened and 371 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: attacked gosins who accept the aid and the UN is 372 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: effectively partnering with Hamas against the Gaza Humanitarian Fund with 373 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: the help of much of the global media. There is 374 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: no bottom with these people who pretend to care about 375 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: acute hunger in Gaza. To prove this point, and we 376 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: will note that it is a you know, a government entity, 377 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 1: so you know, you can take it with a grain 378 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: of salt, but the IDF takes reporters out to this 379 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: field where un AID is sitting undistributed to show them 380 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: we are like, we're trying this AID is here rotting 381 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: in the sun. And Jon Favreau of the pod Save 382 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: America Guys was like, like, it's believable that the UN 383 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: would just leave food sitting around instead of feeding gusins. 384 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: It's like, have you met the UN, Like do you remember? 385 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 1: But I'm sure they don't, even though it took place 386 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: during the time that all these guys have been in politics. 387 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: The UN famously, in many places, specifically with refugee services 388 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: and AID, makes people have sex with them to get food. Right, 389 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 1: That's like a normal thing that nobody gets fired for 390 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: that they covered up for a decade that finally was 391 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: like uncovered at some point after about ten or twelve years. So, yeah, 392 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 1: it is believable that the UN would do that. 393 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 2: It's such a complicated and multifaceted problem, right, because we 394 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 2: have the issue you and I talk about often, which 395 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 2: is the issue of like the reliable narrator and the 396 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 2: New York Times has done a fabulous job at undercutting 397 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 2: their own, winning itself and everyone else's credibility in the 398 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 2: long run this right, then we have like the nature 399 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 2: and struggles of aid in situations like this, and then 400 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 2: we have just like a general interest in Sydney Sweeney 401 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 2: versus this because this is depressing and it's hard to 402 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 2: talk about and it's hard to think about, and there 403 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,360 Speaker 2: are no easy answers, right, There aren't. 404 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: Easier answers because it's war. And I do think that's 405 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 1: one of the things that is cynically used against Israel, 406 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: which is like war is tear, and terrible things happen 407 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: in war, and you can do your best to ameliorate them, 408 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: as I think that Israel does and shows itself to 409 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: do at nearly every turn, and it is given absolutely 410 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: no credit for it. But then I think that the 411 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 1: next question is like what does become of Gaza? What 412 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 1: becomes of Israeli efforts there? The problem with fighting a 413 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: death cult that is in a holy war with you 414 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 1: is that they don't surrender, right, You just like do 415 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: the best you can. And so that that's the very 416 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 1: complicated situation is. 417 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 7: Real fine, it's like the perpetual cusp of peace with 418 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:49,959 Speaker 7: just this constant underlying Like we were talking about generation 419 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 7: after generation after generation of the same thing over and 420 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 7: over and over. 421 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 1: And despite all its dominance over you know, in this 422 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 1: basically Seven Front war. You know, it's it's very unsatisfying 423 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: for the Israeli people to look around and be like, well, 424 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:13,360 Speaker 1: we can leave Gaza once again, which they did into 425 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: they did twenty years ago and handed the whole thing over, 426 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: and this is October seventh. Was the result. It wasn't 427 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: a flourishing Palestinian state on the Mediterranean, which was the opportunity, 428 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 1: but it was relinquished. So yeah, I don't know what 429 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: comes next, and it is disappointing to see many people, 430 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: even otherwise rational people, fall for some of the propaganda. 431 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 1: Not to weigh the claims of the Gaza Health Ministry, 432 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 1: which is just TAMAS and not be part of you know, 433 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: the Gaza humanitarian funds attempts to actually get people fed. 434 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: That's the tell like they're there to do the thing. Yeah, 435 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: is there to do the thing? Yes? 436 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 2: If somebody is handing somebody else food, support them, yeah. 437 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 1: Right. By the way, I'm going to close this out 438 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: with one clip real quick that will show the shift 439 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,439 Speaker 1: in the Democratic Party and which previews what the next 440 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 1: primary season for them is going to look. Like these 441 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 1: are the pod Save America bros. Of the Obama administration 442 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: talking about how nothing can ever be the same moving on, 443 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: and that funding Israel militarily should not be basically shouldn't 444 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 1: be on the table for democratic candidates and administrations. So 445 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 1: we'll close with that little clip. The Times they are 446 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: a change. 447 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 8: In and I don't think democratic candidates should take money 448 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 8: from APEX or vote to fund military support for Israel anymore, 449 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 8: like I really don't in this government, absolutely not, and 450 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 8: that especially includes I think the next Democratic nominee for president. 451 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 9: Things I want to see Democrats at least calling for 452 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 9: is cutting off military systmto Israel. It's a rich country. 453 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 9: By the way, they don't need a three billion a 454 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 9: year and hands up right back. Obama signed a ten 455 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 9: year MoU for three point three billion a year. Like, 456 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 9: so we're part of the problem here, let's correct it. 457 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 9: I would like to see talk about sanctioning Israeli government 458 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 9: officials who use genocidal rhetoric or talk about ethnic cleansing openly. 459 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 9: We should support a ceasefire resolution at the UN. We 460 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 9: should demand that international press be allowed into the Gaza 461 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 9: strip to report on what's happening without an IDF minder. 462 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 9: It's insane. The press still can't go with the gaza 463 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 9: and cover what's happening. And I also think like there 464 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 9: has to be a total mindset change in the Democratic 465 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 9: Party when the war ends. We are not going back 466 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 9: to the pre October seventh status quo because it's not 467 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 9: where the party is, is not where the world is. We're 468 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 9: not going to shovel billions a year in military A, 469 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 9: We're not going to veto every effort to recognize the 470 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 9: Palestinian state at the UN. We should not take money 471 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 9: from APAC. And like I will hold out hope for 472 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 9: better political leadership in the US and in Israel, but 473 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 9: we often also recognize that the Biden era hugbybnet and 474 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 9: Yahoo's strategy has to be thrown in the trash can. 475 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: We'll be back with another insane New York Times dating 476 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 1: themed piece to lighten the mood on normally. Oh, back 477 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: on normally with Kelly Maher of Restoring Standards. You can 478 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: find that at Restoring Standards dot com and The New 479 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: York Times is always supplying us good stuff on the 480 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: dating scene right and or on just relationships in general. 481 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of relationship writing, and I 482 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: understand why it happens this way, but a lot of 483 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: relationship writing is just taking your own relationship and then 484 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: projecting it onto society, and that is not always wise, right. 485 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: And so this is the new sort of feminist gripe. 486 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that uncharitably. That's what this article is. 487 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 1: It's like, here's our new feminist gripe. Are you ready 488 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: for it? I'm ready. The headline is why women are 489 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: weary of the emotional labor of mankeeping. As male social 490 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: circles shrink, female partners say they have to meet more 491 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: social and emotional needs. Okay, so there's a little I'll 492 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: read you a little bit down here. This is a 493 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: relationship where both are busy attorneys, it says, but she 494 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: miss Tillie Coulson hyphenated, but she tends to take charge 495 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: of their social plans. Miss Tilly Coulson has hung out 496 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: with her boyfriend's close friends a handful of times. He 497 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: hangs out with hers several times a week. Her role 498 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: as the de facto social director of the relationship includes 499 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: more serious concerns too. When are we going to meet 500 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: each other's parents? When are we going to do our 501 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: first vacation together? She said, And if all of that 502 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: onus is on me to kind of plan, then I 503 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: also feel all the responsibility of something goes wrong. Mankeeping 504 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: put a word to her feelings of imbalance. I feel 505 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: responsible for bringing the light to the relationship. She said. 506 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 2: Okay, uh, I'm cringing so hard that I feel it 507 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 2: in my back and I might need to go to 508 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 2: Pilate's after this just to stretch. 509 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: It out, because it's just. 510 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 2: I think being a man is just so hard in 511 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 2: this society. 512 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: I can't imagine there are I would say, many contradictory 513 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: things that I feel like are asked of the men, 514 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: because it feels like the old gripe was if I 515 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,719 Speaker 1: may generalize that men were not sharing their feelings with 516 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: their remote romantic partners right and that that therefore did 517 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: not lead to emotional intimacy, and that they needed to 518 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: do more of that. Great, But now the complaint seems 519 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: to be that they are sharing too much and that 520 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: that is hard on women. I do think, honestly, I 521 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: think this piece would be a very helpful and good 522 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: piece if it were focused on the fact that men 523 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: oftentimes do have fewer social relationships than women do, and 524 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: it might be healthier for them to have more. Now, 525 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: those relationships are going to look different than women's relationships, 526 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 1: and I think too much of the New York Times 527 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: staff wants them to look exactly like women's relationships, and 528 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 1: they don't have to. But I think that part might 529 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: have been the pitch for this piece if it were me, 530 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: instead of the women are complaining because men don't have 531 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: enough friends. 532 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 9: You know you. 533 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 2: I just finished a book that you recommended to me, 534 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 2: of Boys and Men. Yes, and uh it was rich 535 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 2: Is it Richard Reeves? Uh? And he's a Brooking Brookings 536 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 2: Institute guy. And you recommended it to me because I 537 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 2: am raising two young hopefully like men, if I can 538 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 2: help them transition from boyhood and demandhood, and this is 539 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 2: it's a hard thing to think about, you know, how 540 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 2: do you raise children? How do you raise young men 541 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 2: who can operate in a world where like therapy and 542 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 2: feelings is okay and we have to access what real 543 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 2: masculinity looks like. But it does just seem like it's 544 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 2: a no win situation. 545 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: It feels pretty no when, by the way, one of 546 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 1: the lines in this this this particular it says. It 547 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 1: says that a therapist says that often with his straight 548 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 1: mail clients, they tell him that they rarely open up 549 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: to anyone but their girlfriends or wives. Their partners have 550 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: become their unofficial therapists, he said, doing all the emotional labor. 551 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,959 Speaker 1: That particular role now has a name, man keeping. The term, 552 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 1: coined by Angelica Puzzio Ferrara, a post doctoral fellow at 553 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,840 Speaker 1: Stanford University, has taken off online. It just this is 554 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: the sentence. It describes the work women do to meet 555 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,320 Speaker 1: the social and emotional needs of the men in their lives, 556 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 1: from supporting their partners through daily challenges and inner turmoil, 557 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 1: to encouraging them to meet up with their friends. Our 558 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 1: friend Emily's and Notty tweeted about this and said, tbh, 559 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 1: I'm not sure you guys understand what relationships require like this. 560 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 1: That's just being in a relationship. 561 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 7: Yeah. 562 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, It is so interesting to me though. The term 563 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 2: man keeping is so reminds me so much of like 564 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 2: being a zoo keeper, as if you were as if 565 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 2: you were as if you must maintain this exotic animal 566 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 2: in your life that is completely un like, incapable of understanding, right, 567 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 2: what it's it's a it's a fascinating shift from like 568 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:25,839 Speaker 2: the duality of masculine and feminine to default women and 569 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 2: then the men are kind of orbiting around the default 570 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 2: woman and the struggles of. 571 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: That to that point. By the way, what if you 572 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 1: reversed this column and a dude wrote a column that 573 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,879 Speaker 1: was just like, Oh, they're always talking to me about 574 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 1: their feelings. It's so hard and I have to listen 575 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 1: to it all the time, like I'm obviously canceled and sexist. 576 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 4: Uh. 577 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 1: And the other thing I thought when I was reading this, 578 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: as she says that she's hung out with his friends 579 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 1: a couple of times and he's hung out with hers 580 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:04,319 Speaker 1: several times a week, I think you're an extrovert who 581 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,720 Speaker 1: is with an introvert And this might just be something 582 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: called a personality difference that you need to work out 583 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,879 Speaker 1: in your personal relationship and not an issue where you're 584 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 1: doing something that is beyond the expectations of a normal relationship. 585 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: Just girl, y'all have. 586 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 2: Different trust me, Like this is it's just normal stuff 587 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 2: being pathologized. Yes, who's part of I think the downfall 588 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 2: of society? 589 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 6: Yes? 590 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 1: All right, Well, on that note, the good news is 591 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 1: that like, these are actually normal things. You just like 592 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: you need to discuss them with your partner. And if 593 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 1: you don't want to be hanging out three times a 594 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,959 Speaker 1: week and he only wants to be hanging out once 595 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: every now and then, like that's fine, You'll figure out 596 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,840 Speaker 1: if you can make one. Okay. Bless you all and 597 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,280 Speaker 1: your mankeeping endeavors. Thanks for joining us on Normally Normally 598 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 1: airs Tuesdays and Thursdays, and you can subscribe anywhere you 599 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,320 Speaker 1: get your podcast. Get in touch with us at normally 600 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,880 Speaker 1: the pod at gmail dot com. Thanks for listening and 601 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 1: when things get weird, act normally 602 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 7: Mhm