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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Hell Fire, Monique Teppi and husband shot sixteen times. Monique

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Speaker 2: hit in the face, the cheek, the throat, and more.

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Speaker 1: Apparently, according to police.

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Speaker 2: Vascular surgeon doctor Michael McKee, her ex husband from almost

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Speaker 2: ten years ago, unloads a magazine on Monique and Spencer

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Speaker 2: as they lay in their bed. When I look at

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Speaker 2: her beautiful face and think of him standing over the

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Speaker 2: bed in the middle of the night, the wee morning hours,

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Speaker 2: unloading a magazine into the face of Monique Teppi. Hell

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Speaker 2: hath no fury like what victims' rights and families are

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Speaker 2: feeling all across our country tonight. I Nancy Grace, this

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Speaker 2: is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being

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Speaker 2: with us. Monique Tepi was shot multiple times, not just Spencer, Monique.

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Speaker 1: As well for children in the next room.

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Speaker 3: You begin to think about what kind of injuries they have.

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Speaker 3: We need to know what the range of fire is.

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Speaker 3: You have multiple gunshot wounds. This is going to be

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Speaker 3: a bloody mess.

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Speaker 4: Monique is shot more times than Spencer. Nine gunshot wounds

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Speaker 4: to the upper body, including a bullet to the head

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Speaker 4: hitting Monique in the right cheek, and three shots to

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Speaker 4: her right chest, all clustered together. Monique also suffers bullet

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Speaker 4: wounds to the right side of her torso, right forearm,

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Speaker 4: right hand, and two shots to her left upper arm.

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Speaker 1: This is a lot to take in.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I know it's bad enough that they're both shot

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Speaker 2: as they light in their beds, their children on the

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Speaker 2: other side of the wall, but now to know that

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Speaker 2: he allegedly disfigured her face in this way. Elena Mandenburg

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Speaker 2: joining us investigative reporter for The Mirror, The Irish Star,

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Speaker 2: the Express.

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Speaker 1: Elena, what do we know? And we're learning this from.

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Speaker 2: The autopsy it's called the coroner report there and it's

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Speaker 2: very disturbing. From the Franklin County Forensic Science Center. What

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Speaker 2: have we learned, Tony Elena.

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Speaker 5: Well I said before Monique Tepe shot nine times, while

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Speaker 5: Spencer Teppe was shot seven times, sixteen bullets between them.

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Speaker 6: The Franklin County Office of the.

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Speaker 5: Coroner determined that Monique Teppy was shot once in the face,

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Speaker 5: three times in the chest, twice in the upper left arm,

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Speaker 5: and once on the right side of her tour so,

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Speaker 5: once in her right forearm, and once in the hand.

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Speaker 5: Gunshot wounds of head trunk and extremities with visceral, skeletal

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Speaker 5: and soft tissue injuries, says the report. The report also

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Speaker 5: added that the autopsy in the autopsy, they were able

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Speaker 5: to recover two bullets and bullet fragments left in the

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Speaker 5: humorous fracture site, which means soft organ damage. It hit

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Speaker 5: the lungs, it hit the liver, skeletal damage when the

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Speaker 5: bones broke when the bullets hit them. Spencer Teppe's autopsy

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Speaker 5: says he suffered seven gunshot wounds, also to the head, neck, trunk,

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Speaker 5: and extremities, with visceral, skeletal and soft tissue injuries.

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Speaker 6: Once in the head, once in the neck, three times in.

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Speaker 5: The torso, twice in the upper extremities, and a bullet

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Speaker 5: was also recovered from Spencer Teppe's body. Both lists the

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Speaker 5: same manner of death homicide death by gunshot wounds. Both

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Speaker 5: documents mark the couple's time of death at ten eleven

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Speaker 5: am on December thirtieth, which would be when paramedics were

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Speaker 6: And they were dressed for a bed like any other night.

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Speaker 5: Spencer was reported wearing shorts, Monique wearing a long sleeve

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Speaker 5: and a T shirt, and both were wearing their wedding

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Speaker 5: rings on the night that they were killed.

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Speaker 2: Elinamandenberg, you should consider being a trial lawyer, because you

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Speaker 2: just took so many pages of documents from this corner's report,

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Speaker 2: and you zoned in on what I zoned in on,

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Speaker 2: and that was the soft tissue damages, the bullets cutting

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Speaker 2: through Monique and Spencer's organs, the liver, the lung. I mean,

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Speaker 2: that kind of gunshot wound causes you to bleed out

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Speaker 2: internally almost immediately. You can't stop it. And as we

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Speaker 2: predicted at the gig Go, the way that bullet match

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Speaker 2: was made was not just from the shells that were found,

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Speaker 1: Joining me to make sense.

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Speaker 2: Of what we're hearing from Elena Mandenberg is doctor Kendall Crowns.

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Speaker 2: He is the chief medical Examiner Terrant County, that's Fort Worth.

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Speaker 2: He is an esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of

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Speaker 2: Medicine at TCU. He is the star of a hit podcast,

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Speaker 2: Mayhem in the Morgue. What is the zygomatic region? What

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Speaker 2: is the zygomatic region? Doctor Kendall Crowns.

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Speaker 7: The zygomatic region is a bone in your facial skull

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Speaker 7: and it makes up kind of your cheek bone, so

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Speaker 7: it's right above your jawline, making up the kind of

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Speaker 7: side of Both sides of your face have a zygomatic

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Speaker 7: art and it's essentially your cheek bone.

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Speaker 2: Look at Monique Teppie. He shot her in the face.

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Speaker 2: The Crowns calls it the zygomatic region. He shot her

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Speaker 2: in the face. He shot her in the face. To

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Speaker 2: doctor Bethany Marshall, joining us renownced psycho analyst out.

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Speaker 1: Of Beverly Hill's author of deal Breaker.

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Speaker 2: You can see her starring on Peacock now and find

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Speaker 2: her at Dodor Bethany Marshall dot com. Dr Bethany I

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Speaker 2: can barely even formulate a question to encompass what I'm

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Speaker 2: feeling right now.

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Speaker 1: Six Steen rounds.

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Speaker 2: He basically unloaded, standing over their bed in the wee

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Speaker 2: morning hours, and they're laying their sleep in their wedding bands.

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Speaker 8: Horrifying Nancy. It's so hard to even imagine that Nancy

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Speaker 8: in the face. He wants to destroy her beauty, and

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Speaker 8: why does he want to destroy her beauty so nobody

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Speaker 8: else will be attracted to her. I mean, that's why

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Speaker 8: serial killers will decapitate a victim. That's why domestic violence

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Speaker 8: victims are shot in the head or the face. It's

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Speaker 8: because the perpetrator doesn't want anybody else to have them.

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Speaker 8: If I can't have you, nobody else will. And you know,

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Speaker 8: this guy, as we talked about before, as an insult collector,

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Speaker 8: sitting online, look at the wedding videos, watching their pictures

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Speaker 8: of their gates and becoming increasingly enraged. And if he

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Speaker 8: shoots her in the face, it stops all of that

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Speaker 8: dead in their tracks. And that's what he's trying to do.

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Speaker 2: To Dan Murphy joining us, former NYPD detective sergeant who

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Speaker 2: has conducted hundreds and hundreds of investigations.

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Speaker 9: One of his.

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Speaker 2: Expertise bullets ballistics. He is a co star of Goalshields podcast.

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Speaker 2: He's the author of Workplace Safety. Dan Murphy, thank you

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Speaker 2: for being with us, specifically to talk to us about guns, bullets, ballistics.

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Speaker 2: What is a magazine? There's no reason for everybody else

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Speaker 2: not to know what.

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Speaker 1: Is a magazine. There's no reason for that to.

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Speaker 2: Be in their world, and I'm glad it's not in

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Speaker 2: their world. What's a magazine. How many bullets around a magazine?

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Speaker 2: How fast can you unload a magazine? How do you

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Speaker 2: replace a magazine? Break it down for me, Dan Murphy,

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Speaker 2: For everyone that is not in the criminal world.

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Speaker 10: Certainly, magazines are what semi automatic weapons or fully automatic

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Speaker 10: weapons hold the rounds in as opposed to a revolver,

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Speaker 10: which is in a cylinder and the bullets are easily

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Speaker 10: slid into the cylinder. The magazine contains that it depends

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Speaker 10: upon the size the caliber of the weapon that make

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Speaker 10: it can be six or eight rounds, it can be

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Speaker 10: up to seventeen rounds. There are even larger magas that

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Speaker 10: hold up to thirty that are used with handguns sometimes.

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Speaker 10: But a magazine is a very simple device. Spring loaded,

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Speaker 10: you put the rounds in. It tightens up as you

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Speaker 10: increase the number of rounds in the magazine until it's filled.

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Speaker 9: Can be reach Hold on, hold on, Dan Murphy.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to interrupt your float, but could you

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Speaker 2: slow down a little bit for everyone out there that

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Speaker 2: doesn't practice at the range. And by the way, this

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Speaker 2: guy doctor the vascular surgeon, for Pete's sake, with all

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Speaker 2: that education, all that money, all of those privileges and

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Speaker 2: opportunities he had.

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Speaker 1: To do this.

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Speaker 2: Really, I guarantee with all the guns he had an

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Speaker 2: arsenal in his penthouse at Lincoln Park. I guarantee he's

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Speaker 2: out summer practicing. Do you really need to practice to

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Speaker 2: get close range on your ex wife?

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Speaker 1: I sleep in bed and sheet her in the face.

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Speaker 2: But I guarantee you he's so anal compulsive that he

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Speaker 2: was practicing at some gunshot range somewhere that said slow

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Speaker 2: down for me, if you don't mind, just start.

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Speaker 1: At the top, very slowly. About a magazine.

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Speaker 2: I heard you say some magazines hold sixteen bullets up

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Speaker 2: in the thirties, But sixteen bullets were fired here, six

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Speaker 2: stained bullets unloaded on the tippies in their sleep. I

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Speaker 2: think he shot the whole round. I think he used

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Speaker 2: up the magazine.

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Speaker 10: Explain, certainly, magazines are two weapons. What what a loaf

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Speaker 10: in to the bottom of the weapon. The magazine itself

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Speaker 10: holds the rounds inside of it. It is spring loaded

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Speaker 10: device whereby the person who's loading it places the rounds

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Speaker 10: into it and they each become tighter as the magazine

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Speaker 10: becomes more filled. You can fill the magazines up as

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Speaker 10: much as thirty thirty five some traditional handguns. Typically if

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Speaker 10: it's a nine millimeter, you're looking at a fifteen or

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Speaker 10: seventeen round capacity, and so the person who's shooting the

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Speaker 10: weapon has fifteen rounds in my weapon with the NYPD,

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Speaker 10: I had a fifteen round magazine and then I had

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Speaker 10: another round in the chamber ready to go, which meant

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Speaker 10: my weapon was capable of firing sixteen rounds before having

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Speaker 10: to eject the empty magazine and reload it. In this case,

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Speaker 10: he fired sixteen rounds. In my opinion, he had had

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Speaker 10: a fifteen round magazine, one live in the chamber, and

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Speaker 10: he squeezed the trigger until he was finished, and the

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Speaker 10: clicking happened.

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Speaker 2: Now, when you say squeeze the trigger, you have automatic,

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Speaker 2: you have semi automatic, multiple types of weapons with the magazine.

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Speaker 1: If you squeeze.

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Speaker 2: The trigger one time, will the gun continue to fire?

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Speaker 2: You don't have to go one, two, three, four, fifteen, sixteen.

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Speaker 2: You pull once and it unloads like in the movies.

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Speaker 10: No, that's exactly what you're saying. It is in the movies.

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Speaker 10: Those are automatic weapons. Fully automatic weapons are not typically

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Speaker 10: available to the public. If a handgun was used here.

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Speaker 10: A semi automatic. Semi means you have to depress that

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Speaker 10: So he has to pull that sixteen times. And in

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Speaker 2: Okay, when you say he was clicking on an empty round,

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Speaker 2: what do you mean.

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Speaker 10: I mean the bullets have all been discharged from the weapon,

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Speaker 10: the fifteen in the magazine, the one that was in

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Speaker 10: the chamber have all been discharged. He's not aware that

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Speaker 10: he's at a ammunition. He's so caught up in the

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Speaker 10: moment he continues to depress the trigger, thinking he has

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Speaker 2: Dan Murphy, could you explain and show us how the

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Speaker 2: mag works.

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Speaker 10: This is a typical magazine. This contains fifteen rounds. This

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Speaker 10: magazine slides into the handle or the grip aspect of

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Speaker 10: a weapon and then positions around on top ready to

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Speaker 10: be loaded into the chamber to be fired. With a

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Speaker 10: fifteen round magazine. You can chamber around and then pull

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Speaker 10: the magazine out and top it off, as we say,

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Speaker 10: with a fifteenth round, So that weapon now has a

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Speaker 10: sixteen round capacity, which is a typical nine millimeter weapon

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Speaker 10: many people carry.

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Speaker 2: Dan, Can you show me the other side of the

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Speaker 2: mag where we can see the bottom of the bullets. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so yeah, you have to do that bullet by bullet

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Speaker 2: to load your mag correct.

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Speaker 2: You know why I'm doing this bullet by bullet, and

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Speaker 10: And that's an even more intentional act to then take

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Speaker 10: As you approach the top of the magazine, each round

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Speaker 1: Have fun with that defense thing.

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Speaker 2: For doctor Michael McKee, I want you to get that

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Speaker 2: mag out of the murder weapon and I.

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Speaker 1: Want you to load it in front of the jury

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Speaker 1: with six stained nines.

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Speaker 2: Let the jury see the intentionality that was used to

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Speaker 2: murder Monique and Spencer to load that mag and then unloaded.

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Speaker 1: On them as they slept, joining me.

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Speaker 2: In addition to Dan Murphy, former NYPD detective Sergeant, doctor

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Speaker 2: Bethany Marshall, Jolena Mandenburg, and doctor Kendall crowns Now a

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Speaker 2: a lawyer with Butler Snow illegal Jim Elliott, thank you

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Speaker 2: for being with us.

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Speaker 1: You know why.

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Speaker 2: I led Dan Murphy step by step as I would

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Speaker 1: Did he just pull the trigger once? Oh? No, he didn't.

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Speaker 2: He had to pull the trigger sixteen times. You know why,

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Speaker 2: Jim Elliott? And I think you do know why because

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Speaker 2: But he did it, Elliot, sixteen times. That's time to

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Speaker 2: form intent, not.

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Speaker 1: A blind rage. Didn't not know what he was doing.

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Speaker 1: He had time.

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Speaker 2: The law does not specify time to form intent such

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Speaker 1: It can be formed in a moment.

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Speaker 2: Jim Elliott, do you see the implications that Dan Murphy

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Speaker 2: has raised sixteen times he had to pull the trigger

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Speaker 1: Elliot, what's your defense.

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Speaker 11: Since Nancy perhaps to be a moment of rage, or

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Speaker 11: perhaps the victims responded and he reacted that way. It's

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Speaker 11: hard to come up with the really good defense.

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Speaker 2: Well, that is what the defense attorney will be tasked with.

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Speaker 2: And you're absolutely right, Jim. Jim Elliott has defended a

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Speaker 2: lot of cases civil attorney as well. When you're between

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Speaker 2: a rock and a hard spot, Jim Elliott, you have.

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Speaker 1: To get creative.

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Speaker 2: And I think right now the defense team for doctor

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Speaker 1: They're going to be stuck with what you said, some

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Speaker 2: Blind rage or some type of a mental defect or

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Speaker 2: some other dude did it.

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Speaker 1: Good luck with.

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Speaker 2: That joining me In addition to Elena Mandenburg from The Mirror,

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Speaker 2: Irish Star and The Express, Dave Matt Crime Story's investigative reporter,

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Speaker 2: many people online want to know were their holes in

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Speaker 2: the wall.

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Speaker 1: My deduction is unlikely.

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Speaker 2: You just heard Dan Murphy state Dave Mack that a

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Speaker 2: lot of magazines.

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Speaker 1: Hold sixteen bullets.

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Speaker 2: Well, there were six Dean bullets fired right, and they

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Speaker 2: we don't know this yet, that he fired at close range.

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Speaker 1: Think about it.

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Speaker 2: There's the inside of the bedroom, so I guarantee you

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Speaker 2: he walked up to their bed, held out the gun

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Speaker 2: like he's, you know, the antagonist in a movie, and

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go to doctor Kendl Crowns to explain.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think he could have missed him. It's

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Speaker 1: just like shooting a fish in a barrel. For Pete's sake,

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Speaker 12: Nancy, I think you're absolutely right. There's not going to

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Speaker 12: think every you got nine shots going into Mondie, you've

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Speaker 12: got seven going into Spencer. That's sixteen total, and they're

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Speaker 12: gonna be pointed down. Now on the autopsy report, there

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Speaker 12: in December sixth, when McKee allegedly went to no, not allegedly,

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Speaker 1: I think he went in there and he planned it

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Speaker 12: He walked around, he knew exactly where he was going

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Speaker 12: a plan allegedly to stand there and just standing over

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Speaker 12: Right side on Spencer, left side on Monique.

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Speaker 13: That's how we sleep.

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Speaker 12: I mean, the only I think, the only thing that

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Dave Matt you touched on

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Speaker 2: something and I'm going to follow up with Lena Manderburg,

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Speaker 2: and you're absolutely correct, Dave mac touched on the fact

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Speaker 2: that he doctor Michael McKee was spotted on security cam

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Speaker 2: and he was observed entering the kertilage. And let's see

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Speaker 1: Or a depiction of their town home.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a full standalone home, but at center row,

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Speaker 1: I don't think you.

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Speaker 2: Can get into the backyard such as it is except

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Speaker 1: There you go. That's a fantastic rendition of that. Check

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Speaker 2: Can I see the first thing you created for me?

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Speaker 2: Please control room right there that he either got in

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Speaker 2: surveillance saw him entering curtilage, which would be the backyard,

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Speaker 2: the garage, the tool shed, the dollhouse.

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Speaker 1: See whatever is in around your home. Do not need

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Speaker 1: a separate search.

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Speaker 2: Weren't for that, but I always advise just in case

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Speaker 2: you never know. It could have a different street address

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Speaker 9: You just never know.

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Speaker 2: But that said, then he wasn't seen again for hours.

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Speaker 2: According to what we've been told, Elena, I think the

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Speaker 2: neighbors video showed doctor Michael McKee approaching the home, going

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Speaker 2: and I think that is when his skin was hatched.

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Speaker 2: What do you know about his prior entrance to the home, Elenamandenburg.

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Speaker 5: So what we notice he entered through the curdilage and

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Speaker 6: And the way all the homes on the block are

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Speaker 5: A garage or shed or whatever.

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Speaker 6: It is at the very end of the property.

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Speaker 5: And later on it's in the middle of that alleyway

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Speaker 6: So there's a garage, yep that picture.

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Speaker 5: So and through the garage you would enter then that

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Speaker 5: he did say something, send her something, something upset her,

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Speaker 6: She went home from that big.

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Speaker 5: Ten game, from that Indianapolis trip she planned with her

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Speaker 6: We know he was there. We know he was there,

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Speaker 5: Even if he only peeked into the window he could

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Speaker 6: Allegedly.

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Speaker 12: In a shocking moment in the investigation, while Monique and

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Speaker 12: Spencer are out of town at the Big Ten Championship

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Speaker 12: Game December sixth, McKee is captured on video entering the

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Speaker 12: At the same time, Monique excuses herself from the game.

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Speaker 12: Returning to the hotel room, asked why Monique left Spencer

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Speaker 3: This family's life was completely reread. These people were tortured.

443
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 2: The other night during our live chat as our program ran,

444
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 2: a viewer wrote in and asked me to look at

445
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 2: the way McKee pulls.

446
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,959
Speaker 9: To the right, and the viewer was correct.

447
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 2: Now we've just gotten in video of doctor Michael McKee's bookend,

448
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 2: but I want you to first look at him allegedly

449
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 2: walking down the alley behind Manique's home, Minik and Spencer.

450
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 2: Pulled to the right, pulled to the right, pull to

451
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 2: the right. You can really see it in the shoulder.

452
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 2: But then, oh yeah, that's at the beginning. I can

453
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 2: see it the best.

454
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 9: You're right.

455
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 2: Okay, Now let's look at the courtroom. Pull pull, pull pull. Okay,

456
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 2: that's Frore, our friends at WB and AS. Now let's

457
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 2: look at the book and and see what we can see.

458
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 2: There he goes, there, he goes. See it, Let's see

459
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 2: that again. That was very That may be the I

460
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 2: don't know what causes that. He does not have any

461
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 2: football injury. He played varsity football at an elite level,

462
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 2: I think in college. There he is in his bookend,

463
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 2: this right here. You know, he just looks like any

464
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 2: other dude walking around in his flip flops at the

465
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 2: pharmacy of the candy, you know, just but to think

466
00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 2: that he could have unloaded a full mag on Monique.

467
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall I'm going to go back to pulling

468
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 2: to the right and other distinguishing characteristics of doctor Michael McKee,

469
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 2: But I want to talk about something you just said,

470
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:22,719
Speaker 2: as it relates to unloading a full mag sixty bullets

471
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 2: and probably as Dan Murphy said, continuing to pull the trigger,

472
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 2: how many times do you think doctor Michael McKee watched this.

473
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 6: From day one?

474
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 14: I knew you were something special. I had quite a

475
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 14: journey to get to you, countless bad bumble dates, wrong

476
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 14: relationships and waterfalls of tears, but it was worth every

477
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 14: cringing second because it led me to you. Throughout all

478
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 14: of this, I knew that God was guiding me to

479
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 14: my person and that when I met him, it would

480
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 14: be the most magical thing ever.

481
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 6: And boy, is that an understatement.

482
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 14: I finally found my lobster and it honestly couldn't be

483
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 14: a person with a.

484
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: More beautiful heart.

485
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 15: I will love you forever and I'm so lucky to

486
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 15: be missus.

487
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 2: Temper thought of Bethany Marshall. Look at her beautiful face,

488
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: her delicate jawline, the the fragile bones in her neck,

489
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 2: and when you look at Spencer, he's so happy. There's

490
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 2: video of them walking out of the wedding. There you

491
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: know the vows, you know, holding their hands up in triumph.

492
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 2: Here they go the okay yeah, and that there's video

493
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 2: of them walking along. He's so gibilant, you know, he's

494
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 2: got a cigar in one hand, celebrating, and he's got

495
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 2: his arm around her, and it's just this incredible, magical day.

496
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 2: There's one moment he's drinking some kind of alcohol there was,

497
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 2: and he gives her a sip. She wrinkles up her

498
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 2: face because it's so strong, whatever it is.

499
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: And she's like ew. And he's just so happy. I

500
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: love that moment where he rears back.

501
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 2: He's just laughing in this moment, this happy, incredible moment. Now,

502
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 2: how in the hey does that turn into unloading a

503
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 2: full nag on them?

504
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 8: Bethany, do you know how many times Monster Surgeon must

505
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 8: have watched those videos, those who are accessible to him,

506
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 8: he watched them again and again and again, and all

507
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 8: the beauty that you're talking about, the delicate jaw structure,

508
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 8: the rearing back, the fun, the laughter, every little moment

509
00:30:53,840 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 8: of fun was an insult to Monster Surgeon because and

510
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 8: Monster Surgeon is no different. They feel there's still in

511
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,239
Speaker 8: a relationship with a victim, he still felt that she

512
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 8: was his. So every bit of laughter, every little bit

513
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 8: of sip of champagne, felt like she was cheating on him.

514
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 8: That's the sick, twisted part, Nancy, is that he felt

515
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 8: that she was cheating on him even though she was

516
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 8: marrying a new person. And that's why he unloaded the

517
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 8: magazine into her.

518
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,719
Speaker 2: Why the face, Bethany, that's just troubling to me. The face,

519
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: the cheek, the neck, the Torso.

520
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 8: Why we think about it? The face that that's the beauty, right?

521
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 8: What does the face represent?

522
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 2: Beauty?

523
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 8: Intelligence? It's not just the face, it's her brain. It's

524
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 8: the thinking part of her right. So if he disables

525
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 8: or dismantles her beauty and her capacity to think, then

526
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 8: she's no longer a free person in the world who

527
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 8: can quote unquote betray him. So he is taking away

528
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 8: the thing that troubles him the most, which is her individuality,

529
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 8: her authenticity, her beauty, her ability to be her only person.

530
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 8: That's what he's robbing her of.

531
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 2: Two Doctor Kendall Crowns joining US Chief Medical Examiner Terrent

532
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 2: County and Star of Mayhem in the Morgue.

533
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall crowns.

534
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 2: We've been talking about how the bullets were found, and

535
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 2: on day one we hear crime stories, knew that there

536
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 2: would be bullets lodged in the bodies. How do you

537
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 2: go about that sort of autopsy? We're talking about a

538
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 2: full mag unloaded into these two victims. Where do you start,

539
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 2: How do you find the bullets? How does it go down?

540
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 7: Okay? Usually what you do with these cases of multiple

541
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 7: gunshot wounds as you start the same way you do

542
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 7: with every autopsy. You do an external examination. You chart

543
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 7: all the wounds, trying to get an idea of which

544
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 7: wound goes through, what woms some exits, and then you

545
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 7: do X rays and X rays. You look at the

546
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 7: body and you look for retain projectiles or bullets, figure

547
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 7: out where they're at. You side X rays, front X rays,

548
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 7: kind of get an idea where they're at in the body.

549
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 7: Then you start the autopsy removing the organs and you

550
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 7: look for these bullets. Sometimes they're wedgekin bones. Sometimes they're

551
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 7: stuck in organs and you find each bullet you take

552
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 7: it out. Sometimes they're really hard to find, and if

553
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 7: they get in the face the nasal cavity, they're really

554
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 7: difficult because you can't mar the face as the autopsy,

555
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 7: so you have to go through different ways where you

556
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 7: take out the top of the skull and come down

557
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 7: through the top or figure way out.

558
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 2: Ok Wait, wait, wait what take off the top of

559
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 2: the skull?

560
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: Is that necessary?

561
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 7: We do that in every autopsy to get the brain out.

562
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 3: And once the brain is.

563
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 7: Out, you have the base of the skull and then

564
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 7: you can go through the top of that to get

565
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 7: to the nasal cavity to get bullets out. So it

566
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 7: can be very difficult to retrieve bullets at the time

567
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 7: of autopsy, just kind of depending on where they're at.

568
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 2: Okay, you know what, I guess I knew that after

569
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 2: cross examining and directing so many medical examiners, I guess

570
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 2: I didn't want to think about it, doctor Kendall Crown's. So,

571
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 2: did you say you perform an X ray first to

572
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 2: identify the general area of the bullets?

573
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 8: Correct?

574
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, you get the X ray examination of the body,

575
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 7: so you get an idea of where they're at, and

576
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 7: that way you can direct your easter eggs hunt a

577
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 7: little bit more quickly.

578
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 2: Okay, wait, let's don't call it an easter egg hunt.

579
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 2: That was a very Gallows humor type joke, because you're

580
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 2: talking about digging through the body trying to find the bullets,

581
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 2: and it's just you're so blase blase about it.

582
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Monique.

583
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 2: And Spencer Teppe here, and when I think about her face,

584
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 2: I don't know why that's bothering me so much. They

585
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 2: were shot sixteen times, for Pete's sake, at close range,

586
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 2: maybe not point blank range. As Dave Mack pointed out,

587
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: there was no stippling, and that was clearly stated in

588
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 2: the autopsy report. That doesn't mean it wasn't close range.

589
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 2: In fact, there's no way it wasn't close range. But

590
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 2: doctor Kendall Crowns, I don't want us to refer to

591
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 2: it as an Easter egg hunt. You were just so

592
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,720
Speaker 2: matter of fact about it when you were talking about

593
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 2: digging through their bodies trying to find the bullets.

594
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: But if you.

595
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 2: Don't do it, Kendall, then the state can't prove its

596
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 2: case because I need every one of those sixteen bullets

597
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 2: to show intent intent times sixteen, So you have to

598
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 2: do it well.

599
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 7: You have to also make sure that they are all

600
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 7: from the same gun too, because it's always alleged that

601
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 7: it could be multiple shooters to and my bullet didn't

602
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 7: kill them, you know, so you have to get every

603
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 7: bullet every time to make sure they can verify which

604
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 7: gun shot it. It's very important to do.

605
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 8: What's changed since the last person I talked to?

606
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 16: There's a body. There's a body.

607
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 8: There's a body inside. Yeah, okay, hold on one second,

608
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 8: let me get you on the line with the medic.

609
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 7: Okay, on the line.

610
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 16: He appears dead. There's a body. Our friend wasn't in transphoned.

611
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 16: We just didn't go well the ship. We just came

612
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 16: here in town. He appears dead. Okay. Blood he's laying

613
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 16: next to his head off of his desert and there's blood.

614
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 16: I think people shore going too more than that.

615
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 10: Okay, he can tell he's.

616
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 11: Obviously not breathing anything.

617
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, is it like how to like like how to fight?

618
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 3: You know, because it doesn't look great and.

619
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 16: I can't I can't like her.

620
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 11: Okay, all right, you understand.

621
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 6: So now we get a new picture.

622
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 5: Now each have multiple gunshot wounds.

623
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,919
Speaker 6: She was shot multiple times and are bleeding out.

624
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 1: The children are awesome.

625
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 2: It probably you will remember the murders of their parents.

626
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 2: Two children left orphaned, and tonight we're learning sixteen bullets

627
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 2: an empty mag unloaded into Monique and Spencer Tippie joining

628
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 2: us tonight on behalf of Monique. Arianna Turner, a dear

629
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 2: friend of Monique's. Arianna, thank you for being with us.

630
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 13: Thank you for having me. I'm blessed to be here.

631
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: You know what, I can see why you and Monique

632
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 2: were friends because everything I've seen of her, everything that's

633
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 2: been said about her, she had this just amazing I

634
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 2: don't know the right word, Arah demeanor. Tell me about her, Arianna.

635
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 17: You know, Monique was a person that, like, I know,

636
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 17: we use a lot of adjectives to describe people, but

637
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 17: she was just like indescribable.

638
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 13: You know, like you don't really meet people who.

639
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 17: Are just genuine you know, and just genuinely want to

640
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 17: help other people and just genuinely care about like just

641
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 17: the people around them or just people in general. And

642
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 17: like Monique was somebody who, like if she cared about you,

643
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 17: she was coming to check on you. She was doing

644
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 17: everything she could to make sure that you felt supported

645
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 17: and you felt like you didn't have like you like

646
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 17: you had somebody, you know, like she was just she

647
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 17: was an amazing mother. Like she was just so like

648
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 17: very loving, very bright, like just positive all the time,

649
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 17: like just a bubbly person, like just somebody you always

650
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 17: want to talk to, like if you're having a sad day. See,

651
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 17: I mean, she was just one of my biggest support people.

652
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 17: Me and her had just like you know, started to

653
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 17: get close. So it showed a lot about her character

654
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 17: for her to really show so much care and attention

655
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 17: to somebody she was just getting to know.

656
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 13: You know, you.

657
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 2: Stated that Manique was an amazing mother, And you know

658
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 2: what that speaks to me, because I love my twins

659
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 2: more than anything in the world. They're the best thing

660
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 2: that ever happened to me. I don't want to miss

661
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 2: one minute with them. Now they're going away to college

662
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 2: and I'm going.

663
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 9: To be cry, cry, crying.

664
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 2: But I hear other moms going, oh, thank goodness, they're moving.

665
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: Yeah right, I don't get it. But you know what,

666
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: to each her own, you say she's an amazing mother.

667
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: Please describe that for me.

668
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:31,439
Speaker 9: I really want to hear this.

669
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 17: So let me give you a little bit of an

670
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 17: example of how I could just glimpse and just see

671
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 17: just how much patience and time and care she had

672
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 17: for a kid. So mind you, me and Monique, our

673
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 17: children went to the same school, and our little boys

674
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,240
Speaker 17: or best friends in the classrooms, like we will always

675
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 17: just like you know, talk about that, just talk about

676
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 17: motherhood things like that.

677
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 13: And like I remember this one time.

678
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,479
Speaker 17: Specifically, like we were talking at drop off for maybe

679
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 17: like ten minutes, I mean pick up, I'm sorry, pick

680
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 17: up for about ten minutes the point like her daughter

681
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,479
Speaker 17: is like not turning up, but like, you know, mommy,

682
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 17: I'm ready to go, like jumping, moving everything, and like

683
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 17: still as she's holding on a very like heavy conversation

684
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 17: with me, It's like, hey, sweetie, be careful, Calm down, mommy,

685
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 17: Mommy needs a moment, be still, you know, like just

686
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 17: keeping her composure when like any other mom probably would

687
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 17: have been stop, like leave me alone. But she just

688
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 17: had this patience and this love for her kids, and

689
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 17: she valued education.

690
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 13: You know, she valued a lot of key morals.

691
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 17: About you know, development and things like that. So I'm

692
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 17: sure you know, she was extra like careful with the

693
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 17: way she parented, just knowing like how some of the

694
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 17: effects can be if you're not like if you're a

695
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 17: little bit more negative or like emotionally or physically.

696
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 11: At things like that.

697
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 2: I feel like she just went, oh yeah, you just

698
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 2: hit another chord with me. One of my favorite times

699
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 2: when the children were growing up was drop off and

700
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 2: pick up because I had them all on trapped in

701
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 2: the car with me and we can watch movies, we

702
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 2: could laugh, we have snack so you name, and everything

703
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 2: in the car.

704
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: It's just like a rowing party.

705
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 2: But a lot of people are angry at carpool drop off,

706
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 2: pickup and all that.

707
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: That was one of the best times in my day.

708
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 2: And just firing about her going herself to pick there.

709
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: I didn't want some babysit or God bless them all

710
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 2: to pick up the children. I wanted to pick them up.

711
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 2: I want to hear about their day. I mean, I

712
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 2: was actually jealous. Tell me about some more about how

713
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 2: she interacted with her children.

714
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 17: So like with her kids, she was just very playful,

715
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 17: just very attentive, like a lot of I'm not gonna

716
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 17: say a lot of parents, but just from like what

717
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 17: I've seen, you could just tell the people that are

718
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 17: really in it, like got their hearts invested into their children,

719
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 17: really prioritize, really care about the future that they are

720
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 17: you know, going to live on in a few years.

721
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 17: And she was one of those people that just like

722
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 17: would care, like she just cared, and like there'd be

723
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 17: times like, you know, I would be sitting in the

724
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 17: parking lote like waiting on the pickup time and like

725
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 17: I got ten more minutes, i ain't got to go

726
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 17: get my three kids, and I'm kind of like hiding out,

727
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 17: and Moniqueo'll be like, hey girl.

728
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 13: Hi, Like are you awake?

729
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 16: Mama?

730
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 17: Like her question to me were always how are you alive?

731
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 17: How are you breathing? Like you are amazing? Like anytime

732
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 17: she got around me was to uplift me. And every

733
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 17: time I've seen her with her children, it was always

734
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 17: uplifting her, always saying positive stuff, even when she knew

735
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 17: that they were doing something that they may have not

736
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 17: been doing. Like her daughter was like running around not

737
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 17: trying to put on her coat, okay, like speaking with

738
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 17: a very firm voice, not me, not a not anything

739
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 17: out of that, just you know, being assertive and patient

740
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 17: and just giving her baby love, also giving her direction. Now,

741
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 17: not a lot of parents I've seen do that, And

742
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 17: that's what really made.

743
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 13: Me respect her so much, in the fact she respected me,

744
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 13: you know, she's seen me.

745
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 17: I'm way younger than her, and she looked up to me,

746
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 17: and I love that, like we looked up.

747
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 13: To each other. You know, there's not a lot of

748
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 13: parents that you can really relate to.

749
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Arianna Turner, when did you

750
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 2: learn that Manique had been first of all, had passed on?

751
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 2: But then I mean normally people first think, oh, did

752
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 2: they have a car crash?

753
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 9: When did you learn she passed on?

754
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 2: And when did you learn Monique was murdered and now

755
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 2: allegedly her ex doctor Michael McKee, a vascular surgeon, unloads

756
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 2: a full mag on them in the middle of the

757
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,280
Speaker 2: night while they're asleep in their wedding bands.

758
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 9: When did you find out and what was your reaction? Arianna?

759
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 17: So like I had seen through the local news, like

760
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 17: a dentist and his wife were like killed in their

761
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 17: home brond I mean I thought it was terrible, Like

762
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 17: I don't think they have released the names at the time,

763
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 17: and I'm like, oh, wow, that's so terrible. Today's past,

764
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 17: I would say, was probably like January second or third,

765
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 17: they have released the pictures to the public, And I

766
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 17: would say with my fiance and I was like, hold

767
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 17: on this, this cannot be my girl.

768
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 13: She's like that's her and I just I lost I

769
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 13: lost it, Like I.

770
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 17: Still can't process it, because how can somebody want to

771
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 17: hurt somebody like her?

772
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 13: Like I just don't even see her hurting a fly?

773
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 17: Like you see how beautiful her smile was, like she

774
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 17: was just a radiating like oh, like she was just

775
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 17: a beam of sunlight. Like I was blessed that I

776
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 17: got to experience her here. But when I found out

777
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 17: the news, I was heartbroken. I mean, I still am

778
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 17: trying to process this, this tragedy, and it's like the

779
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,919
Speaker 17: details just get worse and worse and worse. And it's

780
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 17: like when the autopsy got released, like I just I

781
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 17: that's when I just kind of shut it out, Like

782
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 17: I just got so sick to my stomach because how could.

783
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 13: You do that?

784
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 17: Like, oh my god, Like when I was just reading

785
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 17: the report and I just saw like her wounds, and

786
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 17: I'm just like, how could you do that to my friend?

787
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 17: How could you do that to her husband? You know,

788
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 17: these were amazing people. These weren't just people just out

789
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 17: here just like oh, not being productive members of society,

790
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 17: but these were productive people who were trying to actively

791
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 17: give back.

792
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 13: How would you take them from us? You know, I

793
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 13: just I just will never sit right with me.

794
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 17: And their babies were there like that hits so close

795
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 17: to home to me, and you know, I've been through

796
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 17: domestic violence, so the whole situation is very very touched,

797
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 17: you know.

798
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 13: But I just, I just I don't have the right word,

799
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 13: to be honest, I don't you know what.

800
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 2: I disagree with you, Arianna, because I think your words

801
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 2: are perfect and the energy you have describing her, It's

802
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 2: just something about her was just contagious. And I want

803
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 2: to thank you for giving me a window into who

804
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 2: Monique was.

805
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: You know.

806
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 2: We keep showing the wedding videos at her Spencer's exchanging

807
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 2: vows because I liked it, and I try. I try

808
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 2: to show this to juries, although it would be inadmissible

809
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 2: under the law, find a way to get in the

810
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 2: victim in life. But sometimes when I look at them, Arianna,

811
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 2: I think about how many times her boy and probably

812
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 2: her little girl are gonna watch these videos over and

813
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 2: over and over as they grow up and beyond.

814
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: Arianna.

815
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 15: Yeah, they had a love that I mean, you could

816
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 15: just see the love they had for each other, Like

817
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 15: you know, and that's why I'm just like dang, like

818
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 15: she went through a relationship with a toxic ex husband, found.

819
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 13: The love of her life.

820
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 17: Like Monique met the greatest love of her life, and

821
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 17: that's a blessing that a lot of us don't get

822
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 17: to have.

823
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 13: So I feel like her last years on earth, she

824
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 13: was blessed.

825
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 17: She had her family at her house, like you know,

826
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 17: they were starting to really build her foundation.

827
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 13: I do miss she.

828
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 17: I do wish she could have got more time with us,

829
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 17: But I do feel like, you know, she hit some

830
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 17: major mouthstones that some of us here I haven't even hit.

831
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 2: And Dtor Bethany Marshall, you just heard her dear friend

832
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 2: Arianna Turner speaking about Monique and he doctor Michael McKee.

833
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 2: Bethany just couldn't stand their happiness.

834
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 8: He could not bear it. There's so many things he

835
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 8: couldn't stand. He couldn't stand her beautiful faith, her beautiful family.

836
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 8: You know, Monster Surgeon.

837
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:16,240
Speaker 1: Was living alone.

838
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 8: He didn't have a girlfriend or a wife or children.

839
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 8: He had not built his filling life. All he was

840
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 8: doing was enviously watching hers and wanting to take it

841
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 8: from her. He didn't do the work. She did the

842
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 8: work you know it's not easy to stay in love, Nancy.

843
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 8: I mean magically meet people. We meet somebody and then

844
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 8: we make an effort to have a loving life with

845
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 8: them and a loving relationship with our children. As Monique's

846
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 8: friend just just described, there many times were you know

847
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 8: your child might be irritating or whatever, and she always

848
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,760
Speaker 8: responded with love. So she did the work, she built

849
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 8: the life, and monster Surgeon research could not bear that

850
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 8: he was doing something, that she was doing something he

851
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 8: was completely unable to do, so he took it from her.

852
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 18: Dear Momo, I feel so lucky to be up here

853
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 18: with you today. You've grown to become my best friend,

854
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 18: and together we're surrounded by friends and family who are

855
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 18: fortunate to be able to say the same.

856
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: We're so lucky.

857
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 18: Our support system is immense, and you embracing Larry, my

858
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 18: crazy group of friends, and my loud family like you

859
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 18: have means the world. I vow to support you, to

860
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 18: believe in you, and to encourage you. I vow to

861
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 18: provide for you.

862
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 7: I vow to never.

863
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 18: Stop loving you and to always keep working on us.

864
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 18: And lastly, I vowed to do my best to always

865
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 18: keep making you laugh, because your smile is my favorite thing.

866
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 2: Straight back out to veteran at trial lawyer out of

867
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:59,280
Speaker 2: the Warner Robins jurisdiction, Jim Elliott has tried so many cases.

868
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 1: I'm Elliott, what.

869
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 2: About the possibility of this guy making bond?

870
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 11: I think the challenge for him will be he has

871
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 11: financial resources that could make him fly risk. We have

872
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 11: this presumption of innocence in our system. We have to

873
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 11: embrace that, as difficult as that can be in certain circumstances.

874
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 11: And he hasn't indicated that he's leading the jurisdiction currently,

875
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 11: so it seemed to me to be appropriate.

876
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 2: Okay, so you think there's a chance he could get bond, Well.

877
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 11: I mean their number of defenses. One thing is why

878
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 11: I think that prosecution is going to have to prove

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Speaker 11: why he was in Ohio. I mean that he was

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Speaker 11: practicing in Las Vegas then goes to a practice in Chicago,

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Speaker 11: and what proof is there that he in fact was

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Speaker 11: in Ohio when these crimes occurred.

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Speaker 2: So you're saying the fact Jim Elliott that he moves

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Speaker 2: from jurisdiction to jurisdiction is going to work against him

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Speaker 2: when he tries to get bond.

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Speaker 11: Why again, I go back the fact that he's a

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Speaker 11: medical professional has apparently assets which would make him We

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Speaker 11: give him the means by which to travel. And again,

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Speaker 11: if the concern is, did you were to leave the

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Speaker 11: country and avoid moving forward with the prosecution, I mean

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Speaker 11: to act that would be a negative in his in

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Speaker 11: his defense.

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Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about this case,

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Speaker 2: please dial six one four six four five two two

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Speaker 2: two eight repeat six one four, six, four, five two

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Speaker 2: two two eight. We remember an American hero Officer, Patricia Espinosa,

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Speaker 2: NASAU PD, New York, killed in the line of duty,

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Speaker 2: leaving behind a grieving husband and a one year old

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Speaker 2: baby girl, Mia. American Hero Officer Patricia Espinosa Nancy Gray

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Speaker 2: signing off goodbye.

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Speaker 18: Give it