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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George

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Speaker 1: nor with you. Frank Sinatra died May nineteen ninety eight

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Speaker 1: at the age of eighty two years old. Ten years

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Speaker 1: before that, in May of nineteen eighty eight, then Larry

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Speaker 1: King had a chance to interview Frank Sinatra. Why are

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Speaker 1: you here? Why did you come to this program? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you came. No, because you asked me to come,

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Speaker 1: and I haven't seen you in a long time. To

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Speaker 1: begin with it, I thought we only get together and chat,

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Speaker 1: simple to talk about it, just talk about a lot

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Speaker 1: of things. But we came to town because obviously for

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Speaker 1: the Eving Bellin thing, which by the way, was a

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Speaker 1: big thrill and then fun to do. He was a

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Speaker 1: great man. I knew him for years. Why don't you

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Speaker 1: do more interviews? Nobody invites me. I'm serious, I'm quite serious.

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Speaker 1: I know we don't get many coasts for me to

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Speaker 1: sit down and chatting and do it. You don't get many.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it's because they think you won't come.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's possible, you know, in some cases I probably

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Speaker 1: wouldn't do it because of either the person that sat

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Speaker 1: himself or herself, or their attitude about about about things

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Speaker 1: that maybe would rub me the wrong way. So I

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Speaker 1: just stay away from that. But I like doing them.

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Speaker 1: I think they're interesting and it gives people a chance

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Speaker 1: around the country, if they're interested at all, to find

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Speaker 1: out what I'm doing, where I'm at, what I'm going

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Speaker 1: to do. And you also learn a lot about yourself

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Speaker 1: of course too, of course, because a good question, a

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Speaker 1: good question can can open up doors in my mind

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Speaker 1: that I would never think of discussing with anybody. And

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Speaker 1: it's important actually that the interview is does homework and

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Speaker 1: and gets it, gets going instead of done a dull

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Speaker 1: you know when we are born and it's on self

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Speaker 1: out and how tall your own man. But you also

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Speaker 1: to have an element of trust, don't you think, feeling

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Speaker 1: that the person is sincerely interested. Yeah, I think so,

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Speaker 1: And uh, you know, I don't. I don't. I don't

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Speaker 1: mind a questions that that that bought on maybe a

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Speaker 1: difficult way to answer because I try to find the

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Speaker 1: fight moya out of it if I can. If I can,

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Speaker 1: then I say I don't think I can answer a

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Speaker 1: question I was back in nineteen eighty eight on Larry

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Speaker 1: King's show Mark Shaw Back with Us Mark. There was

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Speaker 1: a time that Frank was singing on New Year's Eve

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Speaker 1: at the Coppa Club in New York, and killed Gallant

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Speaker 1: wrote in her column the list of people who could

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Speaker 1: not get in was bigger than those that were already there. George,

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Speaker 1: your psyche guy, have that quote here. I was just

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Speaker 1: going to read it absolutely and and you know it's

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Speaker 1: it's fascinating. Boy, that's a piece of history there with

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Speaker 1: Larry King. Remember how he used to, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: stretch across the table at at the guest, I mean

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Speaker 1: and look right at him. Yeah, you look right at him.

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Speaker 1: I mean we don't see a lot of that anymore.

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Speaker 1: I mean he really connected that way. It's it's amazing. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that quote is amazing. She said. The list of celebrities

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Speaker 1: who can't get into c Sinatra is almost more glittering

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Speaker 1: than the roster of those who make it in. Latest

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Speaker 1: victims of the velvet rope include Szazagabor, international playboy I

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Speaker 1: can't pronounce his name, and Marlon Brando. And then she

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Speaker 1: says this about this is what's fascinating about his relationship

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Speaker 1: with John Kennedy. All right, So just before the election,

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Speaker 1: she wrote, only a few months ago, Senator Jack Kennedy

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Speaker 1: had the crying tow out because those columnists were linking

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Speaker 1: him with Frank Sinatra, and the senator protested the association

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Speaker 1: was unfair because he had only met him a few

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Speaker 1: times in California. So last week, the Democratic candidate for

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Speaker 1: the presidency was the guest of honor at a private

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Speaker 1: little dinner given by Frank about that they were very close.

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Speaker 1: Pumped him. Yep, they were very closer than Bobby of course,

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Speaker 1: jumped in and really destroyed Frank Sinatra's ego. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think it did. I think it embarrassed him because it

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Speaker 1: had gotten out, Like you said that he had redone

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Speaker 1: that home, and you know, everybody wants to be important.

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Speaker 1: I think that's something to remember. Frank liked to kind

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Speaker 1: you know, that's a big deal. I mean, Frank Sinatra

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Speaker 1: And boy, he could tell people, you know, you know

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Speaker 1: all at once. The door was slammed, wasn't it. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Frank was married four times, his last marriage to Barbara Mars,

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Speaker 1: who was married to one of the Marx brothers. And

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Speaker 1: apparently when Frank was dying at Cedars in the Los Angeles,

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Speaker 1: she didn't tell the kids about it, his kids and

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Speaker 1: they were very upset about that. Well, that whole relationship

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Speaker 1: with Frank Sinatra Junior is interesting because to me, anyway,

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Speaker 1: I've been doing some research perhaps a future book on

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Speaker 1: the psychological aspects aspects of the Kennedy family and the

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Speaker 1: the same sort of way they were. They were rather

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Speaker 1: when Frank Sinatra Junor was kidnapped, remember that Dorothy Kilgallen

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Speaker 1: believe that he was kidnapped. A lot of people hill

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Speaker 1: um that Jaedgar Hoover got a hold of and on

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Speaker 1: But well, I don't know an awful lot about that.

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Speaker 1: What's the what's the belief that they set it all

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Speaker 1: to generate publicity for Frank Sinatra Junior. Oh, in order

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Speaker 1: who is he? You must be important, it must be big. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that makes a lot of sense, that's for sure. I

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Speaker 1: didn't know that. But why wouldn't wouldn't Why wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: let people know that Frank was on his dying They didn't?

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Speaker 1: Did Barbara did not get along with? Was it? Tina

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Speaker 1: those those families had some some issues, that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: They weren't a jolly family maybe maybe not even in

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Speaker 1: at Christmas. But you know, again, let's go back a

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Speaker 1: bit to the fact of how did Frank Sinatra step

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Speaker 1: into all these worlds that he did, especially the underworld.

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Speaker 1: I have photographs in in collateral damage of him with

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Speaker 1: And I've been trying to think, how in the world,

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Speaker 1: How he got away with that. There was a story

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Speaker 1: it was purchased by Howard Hughes, and they both liked

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Speaker 1: Ava Gardner, and so there was a hatred Amongst. Hughes

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Speaker 1: She's playing at the tables, and he calls for his marker.

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Speaker 1: He said, you know, give me another ten thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: or whatever he wanted. Well, Howard Hughes cut him off

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Speaker 1: and said, no more markers for Frank. Embarrassed Frank, and

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Speaker 1: Frank says, what do you mean no markers? He said,

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Speaker 1: knocks out Frank's two front teeth. Frank had to go

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Speaker 1: Popped him right in the mouth. Wow, boy, your use

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Speaker 1: of the word enigma is true. He was a chameleon

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Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, you know, he somehow or another,

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Speaker 1: and even his career, remember, wasn't there a time when

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Speaker 1: was going to quit at one point, right, Oh yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons why that Paul Ank wrote

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Speaker 1: the song My Way because it was like his walking

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Speaker 1: away papers. But there was a time Frank's career was

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Speaker 1: going south, and he then did from Here to Eternity

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Speaker 1: It changed his entire career. It exploded it all over again.

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Speaker 1: and I won't do it again about my Good Morning America.

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Speaker 1: You know experience when I interviewed a mafia don's lawyer

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Speaker 1: in the reporter who do too much and collateral Damage,

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Speaker 1: you know, Dorothy's hairdressers are telling her stay away from Ruby,

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Speaker 1: stay away from this Marcelo thing, stay away from the mafia,

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Speaker 1: was a blabber mouth and said she was gonna, you know,

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Speaker 1: that's kind of what I think killed her. But you know,

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Speaker 1: I just wonder whether that appearance, let's call it, that

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Speaker 1: Frank was connected. Isn't that the word they used to use. Connected,

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Speaker 1: may have you know, shied people away from going after

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Speaker 1: of people who didn't care for him at all. Didn't

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Speaker 1: Frank Sinatra introduce Marilyn Monroe to the Kennedy's Well, that's

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Speaker 1: the other intersection that you have, Yes, and especially in

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Speaker 1: had already investigated the jfk assassination, the sixty election, the

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Speaker 1: like nobody else did. And then I looked into Dorothy's death,

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Speaker 1: kept asking me, is there a connection between Dorothy's death,

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Speaker 1: cross him? There's even a quote by his mother. If

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Speaker 1: you cross Fank Sinatra, he will never forget it. Well,

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