WEBVTT - Ep. 9: Bear Grease [Render] - Ol' Slew Foot 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:16.560 Yeah, my name is Clay and Nukeleman. This is a 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:20.680 production of the bear Grease podcast called the bear Grease Render, 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:25.200 where we render down, dive deeper, and looked behind the 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:34.800 scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast. This is all 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:38.040 pretty new, so I wanted to restate what we're doing. 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:41.360 You're listening to the bear Grease podcast, which is a 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:45.840 documentary style podcast about people who lived their lives close 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:49.440 to the land. Every two weeks we produced such a 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:54.480 podcast and it includes multiple interviews stitched together to form 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:59.040 a robust story. On the off weeks, we released the 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:03.200 bear Grease Render and that's what this episode is. Render 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:07.040 is a metaphor for taking solid bear fat and rendering 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:11.800 it down into a liquid. This is where myself, along 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:16.960 with a group of folks distill and dissect the previous 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:23.000 documentary style episodes. It's bear Grease unplugged, So get ready 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:29.000 for some fun on this one. All right, welcome to 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:32.520 the bear Grease Render. We're singing this song in honor 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:36.440 of the Clark family over in East Tennessee. Mr Roy 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:41.560 was on fifty years in the Factor Field podcast. This 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:45.759 song is called Old slew Foot. We got Missy Nukem 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:50.320 on the banjo, Brent Reeves on the washboard, Josh Spellmaker 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:55.360 on the guitar, Daniel Ruf on the cowbell baculum, and 0:01:55.480 --> 0:02:04.520 Mr Melcott Nichols on percussion. High on the mountain top, 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:10.160 Tell me what you see, bear tracks, bear tracks looking 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:16.040 back at me. You may get your rifles, boss, before 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:20.640 it's too late. Bears got a little big, and he's 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:25.760 hated for the game. Oh he's being around the middle, 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:30.680 and he's grown across the front, running ninety miles an hour, 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:35.280 taking thirty feet and jump. He ain't never been caught, 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:41.200 he ain't never been tre Some folks say he's a 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:45.400 lot like me. WHOA, I thought you're gonna sing with me? 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:50.160 Josh Mry saved up for money, and she bought her 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:56.120 some bees, started making honey away up in the trees. 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:02.000 She cut down and trees. But the honey's all gone. 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:09.200 Old slue foot done. Ain't himself at home. Always big 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:13.480 around the middle, and he's trought across the front, running 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:17.840 ninety miles. Now we're taking thirty feet and jumping. He 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:23.240 ain't never been called, he ain't never been treating. Some 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:29.520 folks saved he's a lot like me, all right, winners, 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:36.800 coming boys winnowers coming at its sporty be low rivers, 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:42.920 froze over. So where can he go? We'll rot him 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:47.040 up the holler and we'll put him in a well, 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:50.800 shoot him in the bottom, just to listen to him here. 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:56.320 Everybody always big around the middle. And he's roight across 0:03:56.360 --> 0:04:00.720 the run, running ninety miles an hour. Take can thirty 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:05.080 feet a jump. He ain't never been called, he ain't 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:11.360 never been treated, ain't had nobody after him like me? 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:22.719 Whoa it's ever been cold? He ain't never been trained, 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:28.159 he ain't never been caught. I can't I got can 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:36.760 I can do a little Redlyn Hey, Welcome to the 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:41.880 Bear Grease Surrender Podcast. The bear Grease Render. This is 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:44.640 the second. This is the second Bear Grease Surrender And 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:46.560 for those of you who might be new to this, 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:51.239 here a little show. The bear Grease Surrender is where 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:57.680 we render down and distill the documentary style podcasts that 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:01.480 are the bear Grease Podcast. So the bear and because 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:04.040 this is new, we gotta explain, don't you think, Dr Dan, 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:08.720 I feel good about it. So the every every week 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:13.440 the Bargrease Podcast is a documentary style narrative storytelling podcast 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:16.880 where we explore culture, where we explore all kinds of 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:23.359 interesting fun stuff. Right. The Beargrease Render is where me 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:27.440 and my merry group of men and one lady who 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:31.159 I will be introducing soon these podcasts. So we've had 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:34.440 two podcasts that we're gonna talk about. But before we 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:37.640 do that, I've got to give proper introductions. Okay, Um, 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:40.880 last time you guys would have met Brent Reeves, who 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:43.520 is Uh did you guys know that Brent Reeves was 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:49.159 an undercover narcotics agent for many many years. He looks 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:53.240 he looks like my man crush on you, just like quadrupled. 0:05:54.320 --> 0:06:00.320 Brent Reeves is my spirit animal. What that is actually 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:04.479 equates to is that he is a professional liar. True. 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:09.960 This goes back to my panther story. True story. When 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:19.720 I first met Brent, I was like, I wasn't think 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:22.479 I was. I was sort of joking, but I was 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:25.320 sort of serious. I felt like he may have been 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:28.920 working under cover for like the Arkansas Game and Fish 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:33.360 Commission to try to infiltrate and bust me. And I 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:36.400 was like, dude, I got nothing to hide. That's what 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:39.640 everybody says. That's what everybody says. But Now, had you 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:42.279 actually thought I was an undercover cop, I would have 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:44.760 been really bad at it. Well, see, I thought that 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:48.160 was the genius of it. You come in and you're like, man, 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:50.240 I used to be an undercover in narcotics agent. And 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:52.039 then I would be like, well he just told me 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:54.480 a stick. You see what I'm saying, And now I'm 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:58.359 a full time Game of Fish agent. And then we 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:02.880 have Josh Spillmaker. Welcome Josh. So Josh is just my 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:07.200 longtime buddy. UM got lots of funny stories about you, 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:10.440 but I couldn't really some of them can't be repeated. 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:14.880 But between you, we've also got Dr Daniel Roupe here. 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:19.080 Dan is a Highlight guest today because he was on 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:27.600 the Acorn podcast. He was the feature academic guest on 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:31.600 the podcast Searching for Acorns and uh, man, I thought 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:33.920 you did a phenomenal job. And we'll get we'll get 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:39.920 into that later. Unpaid. You feel discriminated against because you 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:44.760 say acorn? I do do you say acory? I think 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:50.160 it's interchangeable, probably the code switching cod switching son of 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:54.800 a gun. What you say is a pledge of allegiance 0:07:54.840 --> 0:08:00.720 interchangeable exactly. No, Hey, did you guys know. Did you 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:04.880 guys know Daniel Rupe speaks fluent Mandarin Chennese. Do you 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:08.280 know my wife minor Dian Mandarin? I did not, she 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:12.200 can't speak all. Damn. Here's my here's my question for you. 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:15.280 How do you say bear grease and Mandarin Chinese bear 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:23.800 grease would be show ma. That's actually panda Yeah, talking 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:26.560 about taking it up a notch clay, and I see 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:32.720 one of those mounted in here. I think that's panda 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:37.199 oil would be the dynamic equivalent. Wow. Now, just like 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:39.840 in like a very short snippet, talk to me about 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:44.760 tonal languages. So I was mesmerized in one time at 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:46.680 a bear camp around the fire? Are you talking about 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:50.160 tony language? Guaranteed to mesmerize everybody. But you can have 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:53.760 like the same like m a ma, or like we 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:59.960 would say mama, that same word ma, ma ma. They're 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:03.240 four different tones, and each one means a totally different thing. 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:08.320 So one is horse, one is immediately, one is tumor, 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:12.439 one is you know. And the crazy, most frustrating thing 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:17.360 is there seems to be very little cooperation in context. 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:20.000 If you're talking with a person who's fluent in Chinese 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:22.839 and you accidentally use the wrong term tone, which is 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:26.520 like me every five seconds and you're you're saying, hey, 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:30.200 you know I like that immediately, I'm sorry you have 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:33.280 a tumor. Know I wanted immediate. You have a really 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:38.120 large I'm not talking about tumors. It's very So they 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:41.360 repeat back what she said, like almost to show you that, 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:44.360 because it's important to get their language right. Well, it's 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:51.560 like there's a different word for everything in that. Well, 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:59.240 no tonal language, man, that's like, we don't have tonal 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:03.880 like other tonal languages. Yes, there are Arabic tone. I 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:06.400 don't know the answer to that. Yeah, we used tone 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:09.360 all the time, but it's like to communicate emotion or 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:11.000 a question. I kind of at the end of the sentence, 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:15.320 you'll go up. But they used tone means meaning, and 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:21.280 then hey, speaking of tonal languages. This the most fascinating thing. 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:23.320 And I'm not getting ahead of myself. We're still in 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:26.520 introductions because there's still two guests yet to introduce. But 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:29.240 I want to bring this up. This book Southern Mountain 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:34.240 Speech by Cratis williams if in the most intriguing thing 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:37.480 about fifty years in the Backer Field with Mr Roy Clark, 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:41.880 is his accent, Like I just like hearing the man talk. 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:48.840 And this book talks about how mountain people sometimes well 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:53.760 they use that well I was going down through there 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:59.479 to really emphasize and they elongate the endings of sentences 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:02.440 and bring him way up. And Mr Roy does that 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:05.440 all the time. Are we talking about the podcast? We're not. 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:08.360 We're still in introductions, Josh. I'd like to just say, 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:12.200 Eric is not a tonal language. Googled it. Okay, Okay, 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:14.320 So we're going to come back to this because I 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:17.280 want to. I want to talk about the reasons why 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:20.880 the content that is in that podcast is in it. Okay. 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:26.000 So to directly to my left, Dr Maliki Nichols, how 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:28.360 are your brother? What do you think of that music? 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:31.720 It was? It was nice, It's nice live. I don't 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:37.800 think I would drive home listening to it. It okay, 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:42.840 that's to say it. But you were a part of 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:47.000 the band I was, I was representing Percussions. Yes, yes, 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:49.200 would I've been invited back next week? I don't know 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:51.800 you were able to listen to the podcast. So I 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:54.720 know you've got some meati stuff to say. Some media. 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:58.560 So some acorn meat, specific acorn meat that was actually 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:08.920 a phrase he just showed us. Yet we'll get their introductions. 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:13.079 To my to my to my right is our guest 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:17.600 of honor. This is my wife, Mr Newcom, who all 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:22.840 you guys know, but Misty, Misty is for many reasons 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:26.720 qualified to be here. But she's been on the Beargrease podcast. 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:28.640 We've said a couple of times the only person that's 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:33.120 really not qualified to be here is Josh. He hasn't 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:36.439 been on that actual Beargrease podcast, but everybody else has. 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:39.720 But Misty was on Death of a Bear Hunter has 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:43.920 been one of the probably the most talked about of 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:48.680 the podcast to date. Probably my specific contributions, it was 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:51.559 Misty went with me at the end. Do you guys 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:55.040 remember we were down into where we believe Erskine's grave 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:58.920 to be and we've got some commentary. So Missy, how 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:01.640 are you? I'm good? Thanks for asking, nice spanned your work. 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:03.920 Thank you, you're glad to be here. I'm very glad 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:07.079 to be here. Mr Sporting her Farm Boots. Yeah. I 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:12.559 want to say too that my dad, Gary Newcomb, was 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:16.040 unable to come today. He loves coming up here. And 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:21.959 uh a lady that was years old, that was quite 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:26.480 influential in his career, passed away in the funeralists today 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:30.079 and he couldn't get around that coming, so he went 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:35.400 to that funeral. So well, no, it's a celebration, man, celebration. Golly, 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:38.160 if you have ninety eight years old and people want 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:40.960 to come to your funeral, you probably are doing pretty good. 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:45.640 So get But hey, Gary Newcomb, there is like rumor 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:48.360 on the internet of like a Gary Newcomb fan club 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:55.160 people multiple Panthers. I think it's called the Black Panthers, 0:13:55.200 --> 0:14:01.480 the Black Panther Believers. Yeah, yeah, no, so uh, there's 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:03.560 a couple of things I want to bring up that 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:08.160 some some feedback that I got, Okay, and I want 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:10.880 you guys to chime in with your commentary, so you know, 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:13.800 on the Acorn podcast, and that's what we'll talk about first. Okay, 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:16.600 we're gonna get to a point where we don't have 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:21.400 multiple episodes to discuss in every Burger Surrender. This one 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:24.360 we have to last Burger Surrender. We had a bunch more, 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:28.200 but I had some guys hit me pretty hard for 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:31.360 the way I think I was one of these people. 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:34.200 Well tell me what you were going to say. I 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:38.040 have no problem with your use of the whether you 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:42.880 choose to to say acorn or acorn makes no difference 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:45.960 to me. What I do have a problem with is 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:50.320 the way you pronounce pronunciation. I didn't know that was 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:54.000 a word. I always thought it was pronunciation like it 0:14:54.080 --> 0:15:07.640 was spelled. But apparently there's a how do you pronounce? Uh? Okay? 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:14.160 Every people, many many people were like Clay great podcast say, 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:23.520 pronunciation is totally wrong. I never even you didn't hear it. Pronunciation. 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:31.560 Do you realize, yes, you say pronunciation, it's pronunciation. Pronunciation 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.520 just a few miles south of him and we said pronunciation, 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:45.960 I mean said pronunciation. Well, I know it's fair game, 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:49.400 Like that's exactly the kind of feedback I need. I 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:53.000 think I'm not going to change. Dr Danna Roupe can 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:56.520 work with you on you would say pronunciation, I would. 0:15:56.560 --> 0:16:00.400 I guess I'm wrong. The way that I think about 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:04.920 it is I don't I've never pronounced a word, and 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:06.880 you know, I've been worried about the way I pronounced 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:09.920 a word until now that I have to say pronunciation. 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:13.480 Did you say you see where I'm going with us? Yeah? 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:15.240 I thought you had a mini stroke because that that 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:22.320 was one thing, that was one thing that came up um, hey, 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:25.600 the people came out in droves to to leave reviews 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:28.600 on iTunes for us, which is awesome and we we 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:31.240 we I mean like I don't know, sometimes like you 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:33.560 just want to do somebody a favor just for no 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:36.920 good reason and uh and it's it's helped us and 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:44.160 uh overwhelmingly like positive reviews. A couple, a couple not 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:47.160 so positive. Did anybody stand up for me not having 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:50.160 been on the Bargaries podcast? Yet nobody was worried about that. 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:55.000 We think it's a silent majority. Yeah. Yeah, So to 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:57.360 find those bad reviews, you'll have to go through and 0:16:57.400 --> 0:16:59.840 read all the other reviews. So you're not gonna read 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:04.200 on well I thought about given I thinks too much 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:07.199 credit to the bad guys, and people are gonna be like, well, 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:09.280 let's leave a bad review. What happens if you read 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:13.399 one and somebody's like, oh yeah, I never thought let me. 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:18.840 So thanks to everybody that's listening that gave us iTunes reviews. 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:22.600 That was really great Acron podcast. A guy sent me 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:27.440 A guy from Amador, California sent me a private message 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:31.280 on Instagram about this first nation tribe called the me 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:36.120 Walks m I W O K S and there's this 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:39.560 big and I believe it's sandstone. I'm not sure the 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:42.720 type of rock that it is, but it's in this 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:46.399 area that they used to camp and whatnot. And a 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:50.639 lot of the Indians in California they they there's several 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:56.119 tribes that milled acrons into flour and made bread. And 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:58.840 so there's this rock, this big rock that's about as 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:02.680 big as the the building here that we're in. And 0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:06.400 there were holes divots in the rock where they had 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:12.399 ground acron flower for you know, presumably thousands of years. 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:15.000 And so he he wanted to show me that. And 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:18.080 there's an incredible video that was made in the nineteen 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:23.160 thirties about making acron bread and it was you could 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:26.920 tell it was like a real deal um Native American 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:28.840 lady and it was in California. I'm not sure if 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:31.120 she was one of the Mewalks, but there's a there's 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:35.320 a video making uh bread from acrons. I think it's 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:39.560 on YouTube. But this guy said his friends, one of 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:44.040 his friends is a me Walk and he told his 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:48.760 me Walk good friend about the acron podcast and he said, hey, 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:51.000 this guy made his podcast about acrons. This is what 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:55.200 his his friend said to him. He said. He said, well, 0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:57.720 he said, I told my mewalk buddy about your podcast, 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:00.760 and he said, thank god, I don't have to eat 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:10.960 my uncle's acorn soup again. I thought that was funny. 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:15.480 Do you think it's pretty funny? I mean, acorn podcast 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:18.199 searching for Acorns? What do you think, Malo? What do 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:22.000 you think? Man? I? First of all, I've never heard 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:26.320 you say acorn like acorn. I couldn't even get it 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:30.080 out of my mouth. You haven't heard me say acre 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:33.000 and you hadn't been listening, man, I've it's it's acorn. 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:37.440 I just I was raised on acorn from Texas um 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:40.760 and it's always been I've always heard it and pronounced it. 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:46.560 Now now they can't even talk acorn. And I just 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:51.240 thought it was so you. So you're like listening to 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:53.840 that content like this would have been something totally new 0:19:53.880 --> 0:19:57.280 to you. You didn't even know there was a big issue. Yeah, 0:19:57.560 --> 0:19:59.399 I had no idea it was a big issue, right. 0:19:59.760 --> 0:20:01.399 I've was an adult when I realized it was a 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:04.000 big issue, and I had actually, you know, and this 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:07.480 is a conversation for another day, but I had been 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:10.680 a little embarrassed about how my family was treated when 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:14.040 they would talk in public up north, and so I 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:17.560 had put a lot of effort into changing my accent 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:21.320 when I was younger, so that people wentn't like snicker 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:24.439 when I spoke. When I met her, she was sixteen 0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:27.280 years old, and the first conversation I had with her, 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:31.000 I said, you're not from around here, really, and she said, yes, 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:33.800 I am. And I said, really, where are you from? 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:35.560 And she's you know, she told me the town, which 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:38.280 is like five miles away. Was like, you're from there, 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:40.840 like not, you didn't move there? And it was because 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:46.800 code switching, code switching. And I went to drove by 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:51.480 the school district with your wife, Christie, Christie Spillmaker, and 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:54.520 I said, that's where Clay's mom works. That's Acron school district. 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:58.600 And I had put all this effort into changing how 0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:00.400 I spoke. And she said, what did you just say? 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:04.320 And I said akorn and she said, oh, that's funny. 0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:06.399 I thought that that was like the the thing that 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:08.320 grew into oaks. I thought that was how it was spelled. 0:21:08.640 --> 0:21:10.560 And I said, what are you talking about. I had 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:13.240 no idea that there was any I would have attempted 0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:14.840 to change the way I said it. At that point 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:18.080 in my life. And Christie kept saying, are you saying acorn? 0:21:18.440 --> 0:21:20.399 And I said, yeah, acorn and and it was kind 0:21:20.400 --> 0:21:22.200 of like when you talk to a kid who thinks 0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:24.440 they're saying it the right way. Like my niece would 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:27.679 say two deets and we would say, you say, she 0:21:27.760 --> 0:21:30.679 meant cooties. Anyways, we'd go back and forth, but Christine, 0:21:30.680 --> 0:21:32.359 I went back and forth and we could never figure 0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:34.439 out that. And it was a shock to me that 0:21:34.440 --> 0:21:38.080 that you were an adult before you realize And so 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:42.159 what was the impact Maliki of like if you didn't 0:21:42.160 --> 0:21:44.680 know there was this thing going on? Like was it 0:21:44.760 --> 0:21:48.560 was it? What? What you what? Because you would be 0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:52.080 in the like so it's you know, yeah, I think 0:21:52.400 --> 0:21:55.800 you know. My general takeaway is that there's always something deeper, 0:21:56.520 --> 0:21:59.840 you know, you can't assume. And I think what what's 0:21:59.840 --> 0:22:02.760 you're getting at is that Southern draw that Southern culture, 0:22:02.800 --> 0:22:06.680 the way people talk. I talk different, Um, I'm educated, 0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:09.679 it doesn't matter um. And I think people when you 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:12.320 hear me talk or here, certain things that people say, 0:22:12.600 --> 0:22:15.159 you automatically try to put them in a group. And 0:22:15.200 --> 0:22:19.200 I think inside of the podcast you you show and 0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:23.800 and also challenge people to think differently and that don't 0:22:23.840 --> 0:22:28.479 automatically assume that you know the full picture by just 0:22:28.560 --> 0:22:31.200 one person said what one person says, but at the 0:22:31.240 --> 0:22:36.760 same time also agree and also dabble with it being 0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:41.200 like a signal what people say, because there's there's different sex, 0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:45.399 there's different you know. I'm in education, so when people 0:22:45.440 --> 0:22:49.760 say different things, I kind of know their level of understanding. UM. 0:22:49.800 --> 0:22:52.120 But you have to use it appropriately. And I think 0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:56.320 inside of inside of the issue of acorn versus acorn, 0:22:56.800 --> 0:23:00.920 I think it challenges people just don't always assume there's 0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:05.399 something deeper, um. And usually that thing something deeper is 0:23:05.880 --> 0:23:09.040 people's history, right how they are raised. I think, you know, 0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:14.159 listening to your mom talk about Acron school district, it's like, 0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:17.000 I get where you where, why you say it. That's 0:23:17.080 --> 0:23:21.320 that's a history that's valuable that that can't you can't 0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:23.840 shun it off just because it's different than what you do, 0:23:24.080 --> 0:23:26.720 are different than what you've experience and what's interesting, Dan, 0:23:26.800 --> 0:23:30.080 I think you might get speak to this. But the 0:23:30.080 --> 0:23:35.240 the trend inside of a world that's massively communic communicating 0:23:35.280 --> 0:23:37.320 with each other, is to do kind of what Misty 0:23:37.359 --> 0:23:41.159 did to try to sound normal. I read about just 0:23:41.320 --> 0:23:44.960 yesterday saw watch the video on an island off the 0:23:45.000 --> 0:23:49.119 coast of North Carolina, Oker Cooke. Have you heard of that? 0:23:49.720 --> 0:23:53.880 And and they they had this like incredible, very distinct 0:23:54.040 --> 0:23:58.199 dialect that could directly be linked back to England and 0:23:58.240 --> 0:24:01.919 different things. In eighties, basically that dialect started to be 0:24:02.080 --> 0:24:08.719 lost because of television and kids moving off and outside influence, 0:24:09.040 --> 0:24:11.879 and you know it's I guess in some ways you 0:24:11.960 --> 0:24:15.360 kind of just have to decide, like what what has value? 0:24:15.520 --> 0:24:17.719 And I mean, like, I don't think anybody's I'm not 0:24:17.840 --> 0:24:22.440 necessarily I'm not staking my life on whether my kids 0:24:22.480 --> 0:24:27.320 say a corn or acorn, But I do think it 0:24:27.400 --> 0:24:31.920 has value. I do, and so I think we can. 0:24:31.960 --> 0:24:36.560 I think there is value in maintaining some cultural identity, 0:24:37.240 --> 0:24:40.960 like the pronunciation of that word. Pronunciation of that word 0:24:41.560 --> 0:24:46.240 has value because identity has value. And so like you say, um, 0:24:46.359 --> 0:24:50.439 the story of girls soccer, you know, in that story 0:24:50.480 --> 0:24:52.960 and how it's impacted your life, that has value and 0:24:53.000 --> 0:24:56.120 so maybe probably has more value than acren or acorn. 0:24:56.520 --> 0:25:00.160 So you would hope that that would shape your family, uh, 0:25:00.240 --> 0:25:05.240 and everybody. Essentially we all construct identity and we're all 0:25:05.240 --> 0:25:08.560 trying to have and maintain a stable I mean, we're 0:25:08.560 --> 0:25:11.560 all fundamentally insecure, and so we're all trying to accept. 0:25:11.600 --> 0:25:17.760 For Josh with that mustache. I got something to say 0:25:17.760 --> 0:25:23.480 about mustaches later. But we're all one a stable identity, 0:25:23.600 --> 0:25:26.959 and so we're we're always using things, all kinds of 0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:29.879 things of greater and lesser kind of value and worth, 0:25:29.880 --> 0:25:33.119 depending on your perspective, to make that identity. And then 0:25:33.119 --> 0:25:35.879 you in our world where we're so you go up 0:25:35.920 --> 0:25:37.959 north for the first time as a child, and all 0:25:38.000 --> 0:25:40.120 of a sudden, it's like, if I talk the way 0:25:40.160 --> 0:25:42.760 I talk in Hatfield, I get laughed at, and I 0:25:42.760 --> 0:25:44.800 don't want my family to get laughed at, you know. 0:25:45.440 --> 0:25:48.440 Or um, there's so many different things and you don't 0:25:48.480 --> 0:25:51.000 even think of it, you know, consciously you thought of it. 0:25:51.040 --> 0:25:52.960 But a lot of times as a as a young 0:25:53.080 --> 0:25:56.320 young child, if we want to fit into our family, 0:25:56.960 --> 0:25:59.639 then we talk the way they do, you know. Or 0:25:59.680 --> 0:26:02.960 as agers, if we want to rebel, we do things 0:26:03.000 --> 0:26:07.440 that our family doesn't do. You know. Yeah, yeah, that's incredible, man. 0:26:07.600 --> 0:26:10.480 And so in this book Southern Mountain Speech, this this 0:26:10.520 --> 0:26:15.080 guy was a professor at the university in Boone what 0:26:15.240 --> 0:26:21.399 is it, Appalachian State University, and he was. It's the 0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:23.720 first part of the book is his history. He's he's 0:26:24.040 --> 0:26:27.119 been gone for a while, twenty years or so. Basically 0:26:27.119 --> 0:26:32.320 he became this He was raised in rural Appalachia, and 0:26:32.600 --> 0:26:39.800 he noticed that when kids went to public schools that 0:26:40.080 --> 0:26:43.320 these kids came with like basically this fundamental way of 0:26:43.359 --> 0:26:47.480 communication that and he makes a case that that fundamental 0:26:47.520 --> 0:26:51.960 way of communication and grammar and pronounced pronunciation of words 0:26:52.440 --> 0:26:56.000 had been scripted for the last hundred and fifty years. 0:26:56.000 --> 0:26:59.600 When they went into public school, they were wrong and 0:26:59.640 --> 0:27:03.159 they were taught something totally different. And he felt like 0:27:03.240 --> 0:27:07.000 that it was stripping identity away from these people. And 0:27:07.040 --> 0:27:10.919 he he he basically was making a case for who's 0:27:10.960 --> 0:27:13.320 to say what's right or wrong? And he used it 0:27:13.359 --> 0:27:16.600 was interesting because he actually used the word bear as 0:27:16.640 --> 0:27:21.360 an example. He gave four different examples of the pronounce 0:27:21.800 --> 0:27:25.840 I can't pronounce four years old, I can't change, okay, 0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:30.280 the pronunciation of the word bear, and and I can't 0:27:30.280 --> 0:27:32.359 even say it the way he described it. But like 0:27:32.440 --> 0:27:35.080 way up north, they would be like bear. They had 0:27:35.119 --> 0:27:37.840 a way of sin they had and and then I 0:27:37.840 --> 0:27:40.960 would say like bear, like an emphasis on the air 0:27:41.720 --> 0:27:48.800 bear in east Tennessee. They say, bar, I can't replicate it, man, 0:27:48.840 --> 0:27:51.320 I mean like I feel like I am, like I 0:27:51.400 --> 0:27:53.520 love Tennessee. I wish I mean like I feel like 0:27:53.640 --> 0:27:56.160 I'm at home when I'm over there. I can't say 0:27:56.160 --> 0:28:00.359 it like Roy Clark and those boys bar bar do 0:28:00.440 --> 0:28:03.960 they say creek or creek over there? Creek is Midwestern, man, 0:28:04.000 --> 0:28:06.880 Creek is not Southern. He specifically said that. He said 0:28:06.920 --> 0:28:09.679 people in Appalachians don't say creek at a lot of 0:28:09.720 --> 0:28:11.359 people right me and say you could have done that 0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:15.280 on creek and creek and I was like, no, I've 0:28:15.280 --> 0:28:18.000 never said drink in my life. If you don't even 0:28:18.040 --> 0:28:23.760 get started on pecan, I'm not particular on that word. Really. Yeah, 0:28:24.680 --> 0:28:26.440 you put it on the bed at night. It ain't 0:28:26.560 --> 0:28:39.720 what you eat in the path. A beacon under the bed. Yeah, well, okay, 0:28:40.680 --> 0:28:44.160 you know what Daniel in that podcast, Daniel talked about 0:28:44.320 --> 0:28:49.040 community and the trust thing, and you you seek out 0:28:49.120 --> 0:28:52.800 people that are part of your community that you identify with. 0:28:54.000 --> 0:28:55.920 While I'm sitting there listening to that, I'm driving back 0:28:55.960 --> 0:28:58.880 from Oklahoma and I'm listening to that. When I was 0:28:58.920 --> 0:29:02.080 in basic training in four Still, Oklahoma or something in 0:29:02.080 --> 0:29:05.520 there with people from all over the United States. We 0:29:05.640 --> 0:29:07.960 all looked the same, we all got the same haircut. 0:29:08.520 --> 0:29:12.240 We everything that we have and identify with is just 0:29:12.360 --> 0:29:19.400 like we're dressed and clothed and outfitted identically identical to 0:29:19.480 --> 0:29:22.640 the other forty people in this barracks. And the only 0:29:22.680 --> 0:29:27.280 thing that about midway through, I found myself talking with 0:29:27.400 --> 0:29:30.160 these three other guys all the time. We were just 0:29:30.240 --> 0:29:32.680 kind of like we always if there was any downtime, 0:29:33.480 --> 0:29:37.320 we were always together. Nobody even thought to ask where 0:29:37.320 --> 0:29:39.880 we were all from. One guy was from Houston, Texas, 0:29:39.960 --> 0:29:42.200 the other two were from Tennessee, and I was from Arkansas. 0:29:42.280 --> 0:29:44.240 And we were the only people in there from the South, 0:29:44.640 --> 0:29:48.080 not one of the person. And we didn't go together 0:29:48.240 --> 0:29:50.680 because of that. We were drawn together because we all 0:29:50.680 --> 0:29:53.160 talked the same. And it was I never even though 0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:58.520 you found yourself just like drifting. I just read um 0:29:58.560 --> 0:30:00.240 in the last couple of weeks. I can't remember name 0:30:00.240 --> 0:30:02.240 of the author, but a study has been done like 0:30:02.280 --> 0:30:05.800 the underlying factors of PTSD and men and women returning 0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:10.960 from tours of duty, and the psychologists are big beginning 0:30:10.960 --> 0:30:17.640 to connect PTSD symptoms not too active duty like combat 0:30:17.800 --> 0:30:24.240 frontlines encounters but two, I was embedded in a community 0:30:24.280 --> 0:30:28.959 where we shared everything language, culture, We wore the same stuff, 0:30:29.000 --> 0:30:31.680 we talked the same ways. You're using the same lingo. 0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:34.120 And for the first time in all of these people's life, 0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:38.840 they were part of a home, like a social group 0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:43.560 that had integrity across its kind of members. And then 0:30:43.600 --> 0:30:46.320 you're removed from that, and all of a sudden, you 0:30:46.320 --> 0:30:49.720 have all these you're you're depressed, you can't sleep, you're 0:30:49.760 --> 0:30:53.040 anxious and there, and psychologists are beginning to say, yes, 0:30:53.080 --> 0:30:57.840 of course, you know, intense combat experience of our Uh, 0:30:57.920 --> 0:31:00.200 nobody's gonna argue that's gonna mess you up. But we 0:31:00.360 --> 0:31:04.240 underestimate the deep need that we have for what you 0:31:04.320 --> 0:31:07.360 experience and how wonderful that was, and we're just drawn 0:31:07.400 --> 0:31:12.280 to it. We want it. We and successful organizations, successful companies, 0:31:12.720 --> 0:31:17.640 they use language to create culture. They've got acronyms, they've 0:31:17.640 --> 0:31:20.480 got lingo, they've got even like your malacho you're talking about. 0:31:20.480 --> 0:31:23.160 In education, somebody uses certain terms. You can kind of 0:31:23.160 --> 0:31:25.600 tell what background they're coming from. We do this all 0:31:25.640 --> 0:31:29.200 the time everywhere. But we and we can, you know, 0:31:29.480 --> 0:31:32.280 have differences over but we don't realize how deep seated 0:31:32.360 --> 0:31:34.720 that need is you know what you know, what really 0:31:35.200 --> 0:31:37.920 when you're talking about that makes me think about you know, 0:31:37.920 --> 0:31:41.240 there's such a push in society these days for freedom. 0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:42.840 I want my freedom, I want to be able to 0:31:42.840 --> 0:31:44.960 do what I feel like I want to do, when 0:31:45.160 --> 0:31:48.840 in reality, there is actually a lot of safety and 0:31:48.960 --> 0:31:56.080 stability inside of having boundaries. People thrive inside of boundaries, 0:31:56.400 --> 0:32:00.760 and when you take away those boundaries, um, they feel 0:32:01.160 --> 0:32:06.480 unstable and insecure, and uh, it really is, it really is. Uh. 0:32:06.560 --> 0:32:09.440 In my opinion, it's it's a disservice to people to 0:32:09.480 --> 0:32:11.920 say you can go do whatever you want, just you 0:32:12.000 --> 0:32:14.840 got the freedom to do whatever you want. When I 0:32:14.880 --> 0:32:17.720 don't do that for my own children because I love them, 0:32:17.760 --> 0:32:19.720 you know, I give them accurate boundaries and I say, 0:32:19.760 --> 0:32:23.160 here's your boundaries. Inside of those boundaries, knock yourself out, 0:32:23.280 --> 0:32:25.520 you know, do whatever you want to do, but here's 0:32:25.520 --> 0:32:28.360 what the safe line is. And that actually those boundaries 0:32:28.480 --> 0:32:32.040 form their identity. Exact identity isn't just what this is 0:32:32.080 --> 0:32:33.680 what we do and this is what you can do, 0:32:33.720 --> 0:32:36.640 but it's also this is who we are not. Identity 0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:39.760 is formed by both things. And Bingo is the name 0:32:39.760 --> 0:32:44.640 of that dog. Boundless, boundless, identity is no identity, so 0:32:44.760 --> 0:32:47.960 there are no bounds on your identity. You have no identity. 0:32:47.960 --> 0:32:51.560 And of course, as as humans, just depending on kind 0:32:51.560 --> 0:32:54.440 of languages use it, we're kind of we're totally messed up, 0:32:54.880 --> 0:32:58.160 and so we do identity and messed up ways, and 0:32:58.200 --> 0:33:01.600 we take those bounds and they're highly counterproductive. But the 0:33:01.680 --> 0:33:05.200 answer is not necessarily, well, let's remove all the bounds, 0:33:05.720 --> 0:33:09.040 because you have no being a parent and being a 0:33:09.120 --> 0:33:13.800 law enforcement supervisor and supervising multiple officers in the undercover 0:33:13.880 --> 0:33:17.520 capacity and later on as uniformed officers, and my children, 0:33:18.320 --> 0:33:23.040 that everybody operates when they know what the parameters are. 0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:25.400 And I know if you get if you get too 0:33:25.400 --> 0:33:28.200 far out of the left side, there's repercussions, if you 0:33:28.240 --> 0:33:30.640 get too far out of the right side, there's repercussions 0:33:30.640 --> 0:33:32.880 with that. But if they stay in those parameters in there, 0:33:33.680 --> 0:33:35.960 that's where they operate best, and that's where life is best. 0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:39.600 You know, it's it's it's more structure. That kind of 0:33:39.600 --> 0:33:52.720 structure is really good. Here's my biggest takeaway from the 0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:57.640 exploration of this word, which in all honesty, I didn't 0:33:57.680 --> 0:34:00.160 know the answers to these questions that I said out 0:34:00.200 --> 0:34:06.520 to find like this wasn't some like, it wasn't some mastermind. No, 0:34:06.680 --> 0:34:09.319 I really like, you know, Ronnella made fun of me 0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:12.200 about saying acorn, and I you know, I've picked up 0:34:12.200 --> 0:34:14.400 now that that's a word that people kind of q 0:34:14.680 --> 0:34:17.799 in on, and so I was like, what's the deal. So, 0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:20.319 like everything I discovered on there, even talking to Dan 0:34:20.880 --> 0:34:22.840 was a discovery. And this is why I described it 0:34:22.880 --> 0:34:27.880 to him. It was almost spooky how familiar we were 0:34:28.200 --> 0:34:32.360 with what you said, Dan, just like like social groups 0:34:32.400 --> 0:34:36.799 and identification and safety and trust. It's like it's like 0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:39.640 you were describing to me and operating platform that I 0:34:39.719 --> 0:34:42.520 would have swore wasn't there because no one taught it 0:34:42.560 --> 0:34:45.600 to me quote unquote it it was never conscious but 0:34:46.040 --> 0:34:50.440 highly highly connected the saying everyone there's no escape from it. 0:34:50.680 --> 0:34:55.399 There there's nobody that doesn't identify in some way. But 0:34:56.120 --> 0:34:58.400 this is where I feel like the veil gets pulled 0:34:58.440 --> 0:35:04.080 back because like you talk about like these social groups 0:35:04.120 --> 0:35:05.840 that we connect to, and I mean, and I have 0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:09.000 no shame in saying like when I hear somebody say acor, 0:35:09.000 --> 0:35:11.120 and like I want to give my high five. Now 0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:13.560 that I'm old and realized there's a different. At first, 0:35:13.600 --> 0:35:18.319 I just thought normal people said that, um, but the 0:35:18.440 --> 0:35:24.440 that is an external identifier of people and they have 0:35:24.680 --> 0:35:29.640 stuff that they identify with that I do not. And 0:35:29.840 --> 0:35:33.160 by me identifying and having insight and awareness to my 0:35:33.200 --> 0:35:35.960 own self of what makes me feel comfortable and safe, 0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:39.480 I think that allows me to look into another person's 0:35:39.480 --> 0:35:43.000 culture who does something way different than me, and be like, 0:35:43.160 --> 0:35:47.680 I get it, Like to look into you know, I mean, 0:35:49.040 --> 0:35:51.520 and I can just say, like the opposite of rural 0:35:51.560 --> 0:35:55.040 culture would be urban culture, and like sometimes I would 0:35:55.800 --> 0:36:00.239 it could be confusing for someone in the inner city 0:36:00.360 --> 0:36:02.759 to look at rural culture and just be like, I 0:36:02.880 --> 0:36:05.480 don't get it. I just don't get it. I mean, 0:36:05.480 --> 0:36:07.400 you could take me, for example, like I grew up 0:36:07.400 --> 0:36:10.080 in a pretty big city, you know, hundred fifty thou 0:36:10.840 --> 0:36:15.400 um graduating class of seven hundred and coming into Arkansas. 0:36:15.560 --> 0:36:18.680 It's totally different than what than what I grew up on. 0:36:19.239 --> 0:36:21.640 And I think what you're describing is being able to 0:36:21.680 --> 0:36:25.000 see the value of people and being able to look 0:36:25.040 --> 0:36:28.239 at even though what they're doing is different, there is 0:36:28.280 --> 0:36:31.720 possibly something I can learn and that I can build 0:36:31.760 --> 0:36:35.000 and and and bring inside of my life. The only 0:36:35.040 --> 0:36:39.600 reason that I have a uh hunting license is because 0:36:39.640 --> 0:36:44.440 I watched you want to be on this podcasts you 0:36:44.440 --> 0:36:49.040 got your hunting license that just bought against you know, 0:36:49.400 --> 0:36:53.080 watching Josh and Clay, you know, go hunting with their sons, 0:36:53.680 --> 0:36:55.960 and you know, I'm never going to be the type 0:36:56.000 --> 0:36:57.840 of guy that wants to sit in a tree stand 0:36:58.120 --> 0:37:02.360 all day. That's just not my life. I place in 0:37:02.480 --> 0:37:05.600 his hand. Yeah that might work. But like watching you 0:37:05.640 --> 0:37:07.920 all what you do with your kids through hunting, I 0:37:07.960 --> 0:37:10.920 saw it as an avenue that I can potentially build 0:37:10.920 --> 0:37:13.200 inside of my life. And so I think it's important 0:37:13.239 --> 0:37:16.600 that as you interact with people who might say things differently, 0:37:16.880 --> 0:37:19.759 who might do things differently, you have to look and see, 0:37:19.840 --> 0:37:22.520 like what can I value from their life? What can 0:37:22.560 --> 0:37:24.800 I take away that I can build inside of my 0:37:24.800 --> 0:37:27.480 my own culture, something that I and that that I 0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:29.719 think that's a beautiful thing. And I think we have 0:37:29.800 --> 0:37:32.839 to challenge ourself to do that consistently. It's a it's 0:37:32.960 --> 0:37:38.840 it's a it's a spiritual internal discipline to be able 0:37:38.880 --> 0:37:43.080 to like the passion with which I say acorn and 0:37:43.440 --> 0:37:47.160 you know, wear cowboy boots sometimes and have mules and 0:37:47.680 --> 0:37:50.239 like it kind of have this identity external though, it 0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:55.440 be like I can look into somebody else that's and 0:37:55.480 --> 0:37:57.520 be like, man, they're doing the exact same thing as me. 0:37:58.640 --> 0:38:01.759 There's there's food that they like, there's words that they like, 0:38:01.960 --> 0:38:05.920 There's there's smells that they like, there's literature that they're like, 0:38:06.040 --> 0:38:08.879 there's kinds of people that they like, and they're doing 0:38:08.920 --> 0:38:11.800 the exact same thing as me, and I can respect. 0:38:12.480 --> 0:38:15.319 I can respect that, you know. So really that so 0:38:15.800 --> 0:38:18.640 my intent was not that the Acorn podcast would drive 0:38:18.719 --> 0:38:24.040 us deeper into our social group. You've created intense division. 0:38:26.840 --> 0:38:34.560 Now you have taken another thing and you or was wrong. 0:38:36.000 --> 0:38:41.960 You have polarized this nation. Know, my intent is that 0:38:42.320 --> 0:38:48.479 awareness is going to bring again. Really, man, I've said 0:38:48.520 --> 0:38:51.680 and I said it again on on the on the 0:38:51.760 --> 0:38:55.200 fifty Years in the Back of Patch podcast with Mr Roy, 0:38:55.400 --> 0:38:59.839 is that, like, my intent is not to highlight that 0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:02.960 culture and say that it's like the l primo culture 0:39:03.000 --> 0:39:08.359 of anywhere. Man, I I pray that somebody else is. 0:39:08.480 --> 0:39:11.680 And I know they are are making media about other 0:39:11.800 --> 0:39:16.160 groups that I don't have insight into that with pure intentions. 0:39:16.440 --> 0:39:20.680 My intention is not to elevate these guys too. It's 0:39:20.719 --> 0:39:24.440 just they're they're valuable. Their culture is valuable. How boring 0:39:24.440 --> 0:39:27.319 would this place be if we were all the same? Yeah, 0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:33.480 telling about boring boring? Yeah, overall companies would do good. 0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:38.880 Oh yeah, I have stuck in it. It's the tension. 0:39:38.960 --> 0:39:41.799 And it's like the tension between I want I want 0:39:41.800 --> 0:39:44.640 to have my really tight knit social group that are 0:39:44.680 --> 0:39:46.920 are similar to me and the same as me, but 0:39:47.120 --> 0:39:49.680 I love different things and I don't want things to 0:39:49.719 --> 0:39:52.600 be bored, and so like it's this tension and we're 0:39:52.600 --> 0:39:56.120 not good at living in the tension between two things. 0:39:56.120 --> 0:39:59.040 We kind of oscillate from one extreme to the other. Well, 0:39:59.320 --> 0:40:02.879 this is what this is. The truth is that as 0:40:02.960 --> 0:40:06.680 humans as the most conscious beings on planet Earth. Did 0:40:06.719 --> 0:40:12.880 you say beings? Beings? I'm sorry, I just wanted to 0:40:12.920 --> 0:40:20.160 make conscious diverged. Did you say, mam or my the 0:40:20.200 --> 0:40:26.359 most conscious being on the Earth. We have the right 0:40:26.440 --> 0:40:32.239 to complexity, like challenge. I challenge myself to be complex 0:40:32.280 --> 0:40:35.080 Like I love my culture. I do. I love it. 0:40:35.120 --> 0:40:36.759 I love it. I don't want to be anything other 0:40:36.840 --> 0:40:40.279 than that. I like it. But there's a complexity that 0:40:40.360 --> 0:40:43.279 can be built inside of it, a layer that's like, man, 0:40:43.760 --> 0:40:45.759 I bet if I love my culture, I bet that 0:40:45.800 --> 0:40:48.400 guy loves his culture, and I bet he's not that 0:40:48.480 --> 0:40:51.359 much different than me, and I bet he's a good guy. 0:40:51.840 --> 0:40:54.600 And it's complex, it's it's like it's like a layer, 0:40:54.880 --> 0:40:57.000 a layer deeper of thinking that I think it's real 0:40:57.080 --> 0:41:00.680 hard for people, but it's it's not hard. It's not hard. 0:41:00.960 --> 0:41:03.120 And obviously, I mean, I'm not saying, you know, there 0:41:03.120 --> 0:41:06.360 there are bad people in the earth. I'm not saying 0:41:06.360 --> 0:41:09.680 that we glorify them, but I'm saying as it pertains 0:41:09.719 --> 0:41:12.960 to culture, because our country really is and kind of 0:41:13.000 --> 0:41:15.680 like culture wars, you know, in a lot of different ways, 0:41:15.920 --> 0:41:19.120 because people are using these external identifiers, which is what 0:41:19.160 --> 0:41:22.200 you're talking about. Culture is an external thing. It's it's 0:41:22.560 --> 0:41:25.520 the things that you can see and hear. They're using 0:41:25.520 --> 0:41:29.960 these external definers to build silos between and to build 0:41:30.080 --> 0:41:34.319 draw lines between. And really what we should be what 0:41:34.400 --> 0:41:37.640 we should really care about, is the internal definers that 0:41:37.719 --> 0:41:40.160 people used to define themselves and to build their lives. 0:41:40.400 --> 0:41:42.200 And those are the things that matter the most. And 0:41:42.280 --> 0:41:45.200 you can talk to a guy from Appalachian, you can 0:41:45.239 --> 0:41:48.560 talk to a guy from a city, and they have 0:41:48.680 --> 0:41:53.920 two different external cultures and two different external definitions of identity, 0:41:53.960 --> 0:41:56.359 but they can also very much so live their lives 0:41:56.400 --> 0:41:58.759 by the same internal principles and build their homes by 0:41:58.760 --> 0:42:02.839 those same principles, and that those things are what makeup person. Yeah, 0:42:02.960 --> 0:42:10.480 you know, a desirable Hey, I wanna, I wanna, I 0:42:10.520 --> 0:42:13.560 want to. I want to spend the last little bit 0:42:13.560 --> 0:42:17.600 here talking about um the Appalachian Mountain Culture podcast because 0:42:17.600 --> 0:42:19.399 we're trying to get tied up. But Dan, I want 0:42:19.400 --> 0:42:21.840 to give you the floor one more time. Acorn podcast 0:42:23.480 --> 0:42:28.160 easily the star of the best one. Yeah. No, I 0:42:28.360 --> 0:42:31.440 I I think maybe like a mark of like a 0:42:31.480 --> 0:42:34.800 mark of maturity, will be able to know the bounds 0:42:34.840 --> 0:42:38.960 of your identity but see something that's different and can 0:42:39.360 --> 0:42:42.560 be able to celebrate. But it's so tricky because there are, 0:42:42.680 --> 0:42:47.279 like Misty said, highly negative ways of doing identity and 0:42:47.280 --> 0:42:52.000 going about it. That's a tough place to live this world. Yeah, Okay, 0:42:52.200 --> 0:42:56.080 fifty years in the Backer Patch backer Field Impressions. So 0:42:56.200 --> 0:42:59.920 I listened to that podcast twice? Did you the first 0:43:00.000 --> 0:43:03.000 time I listened to it? I have to say now, 0:43:03.080 --> 0:43:08.880 mind you, that my I married a woman who whose 0:43:08.920 --> 0:43:14.080 family heritage goes to southeast Oklahoma, and uh they are 0:43:14.200 --> 0:43:20.280 rural country folk. My wife's grandmother got married at fourteen. Um. 0:43:20.600 --> 0:43:25.200 Her first two houses had dirt floors. When we were 0:43:25.320 --> 0:43:27.920 one night, we spent some time talking with her about 0:43:28.640 --> 0:43:32.680 about what her life was like when years ago, and 0:43:32.680 --> 0:43:35.320 we said, what was it like living through the depression 0:43:35.480 --> 0:43:38.360 and she said, well, we didn't know there was a 0:43:38.360 --> 0:43:41.920 depression until someone told us it was over. And uh, 0:43:42.120 --> 0:43:45.480 that was just their way of life and so um. 0:43:46.160 --> 0:43:49.480 Even having spent a lot of time around my wife's 0:43:49.520 --> 0:43:54.080 family there, I I did not understand what Roy Clark 0:43:54.200 --> 0:43:58.480 said until the It was almost like I got fed 0:43:58.600 --> 0:44:01.799 the the rubery of how to translate it the first 0:44:01.800 --> 0:44:04.400 time I listened to it, because the second time I 0:44:04.440 --> 0:44:06.360 listened to it, I understood every word he said. Really, 0:44:06.400 --> 0:44:09.040 you had a hard time The first time I listened 0:44:09.080 --> 0:44:11.160 to it, I was and I was doing some work 0:44:11.160 --> 0:44:12.640 while I was listening to it, But it was like, 0:44:13.280 --> 0:44:15.920 I'm not sure what that what that whole string of 0:44:15.960 --> 0:44:18.600 words was. But the second time, it was like I 0:44:18.640 --> 0:44:21.640 caught every single syllable that he said. So I thought 0:44:21.680 --> 0:44:25.640 that was very interesting, just that that culture of speak, 0:44:25.760 --> 0:44:31.480 that dialect almost um, he he has this the most 0:44:31.640 --> 0:44:37.480 unique dialect that I've heard over there. It's interesting amongst 0:44:37.520 --> 0:44:41.359 even families. So he's got an accent within that accent, yeah, 0:44:41.400 --> 0:44:43.719 and I'm not I mean, anybody you talked over there 0:44:43.719 --> 0:44:46.440 would have a very strong accent to the average year. 0:44:47.239 --> 0:44:51.200 But Mr Roy's like, I would actually like to get 0:44:51.239 --> 0:44:55.960 somebody that, like a language specialists to like dissect some 0:44:56.040 --> 0:45:00.760 of the things he says, because it's just so unique. 0:45:01.320 --> 0:45:04.840 But now a lot of the things that I left in. 0:45:05.200 --> 0:45:08.840 Mr Roy talks for about fifteen minutes. He was just 0:45:08.880 --> 0:45:12.240 talking about his life, I mean, like selling tomatoes and tobacco, 0:45:12.480 --> 0:45:14.879 and I just wanted I just wanted them to hear 0:45:15.000 --> 0:45:17.600 him talk. And then he did tell some pretty wild 0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:22.400 stuff about they had a live bear. That was pretty wild. 0:45:23.040 --> 0:45:26.799 I gotta tell you guys. So I met Mr Roy 0:45:27.040 --> 0:45:29.840 through bear hunting, Like I went and I bear hunted 0:45:29.880 --> 0:45:32.640 with him and for three days and we made a 0:45:32.640 --> 0:45:36.760 film that's that did really really cool film on YouTube. 0:45:36.840 --> 0:45:40.200 It's called Best Bear Hunt. I think it's it's on 0:45:40.239 --> 0:45:43.640 the Bear Hunting Magazine YouTube channel. I think it's titled 0:45:43.640 --> 0:45:46.640 the Best bear Hunt beare Hound Hunting Film of all 0:45:46.680 --> 0:45:50.200 Time or something I was trying to do. But it 0:45:50.200 --> 0:45:54.960 turns out that it was. Oh, it was incredible films. 0:45:54.960 --> 0:45:58.440 So that's how I met Mr Roy. And man, let 0:45:58.440 --> 0:46:01.880 me tell you something. You don't just walk into East 0:46:01.880 --> 0:46:06.279 Tennessee and people just open their doors to you. They're 0:46:06.320 --> 0:46:09.680 just like anywhere, like there there. They never asked for attention. 0:46:09.840 --> 0:46:13.879 They didn't invite me to come to them. I when 0:46:13.920 --> 0:46:16.000 I first met Mr Roy, they wouldn't even give me 0:46:16.080 --> 0:46:19.480 his phone number. I had to go through somebody to 0:46:19.480 --> 0:46:26.480 get to Mr Roy. I communicated multiple times someone. So 0:46:27.560 --> 0:46:30.399 over the years, I've developed a relationship with Mr Roy. 0:46:30.440 --> 0:46:33.000 And I mean, he he he just has a way 0:46:33.040 --> 0:46:36.760 about him and it's hard to describe and you can't 0:46:36.800 --> 0:46:40.120 replicate it. Like you couldn't. I can't watch him and 0:46:40.280 --> 0:46:43.360 do what he does and me be like this. But 0:46:44.320 --> 0:46:48.280 he is like when you watch him interact with his family, 0:46:48.320 --> 0:46:52.080 when you watch him interact with you, you feel like 0:46:52.200 --> 0:46:56.000 you're the guy's best friend in the world. And here's 0:46:56.040 --> 0:47:00.279 here's the best example that I've many times. Several times 0:47:00.000 --> 0:47:03.200 I've stayed with them all day and ended up driving 0:47:03.239 --> 0:47:06.160 home through the night. So we might have hunted all day, 0:47:06.239 --> 0:47:08.360 and then once they got dark and we skinned a bear, 0:47:09.400 --> 0:47:11.880 I was like, fellas, I'm out of here, and had 0:47:11.880 --> 0:47:15.120 a twelve hour drive home. Mr Royle called me at 0:47:15.160 --> 0:47:20.520 two in the morning. Why you're doing alright, buddy? Making 0:47:20.520 --> 0:47:23.120 sure you use a weight. I just woke up. I 0:47:23.200 --> 0:47:27.680 was thinking about you staying away. I mean, just call 0:47:27.760 --> 0:47:31.640 me when you get home. I mean, little stuff like that, 0:47:32.040 --> 0:47:37.120 just normal. But it's like, uh, he makes everybody feel welcome. 0:47:37.200 --> 0:47:42.000 I can't tell you, like, uh, my mom, my mom 0:47:42.360 --> 0:47:46.360 is you know, she's known as the Queen of hospitality. 0:47:47.040 --> 0:47:50.600 And I watched people as a child that would come 0:47:50.600 --> 0:47:53.359 in contact with our family and the way that my 0:47:53.400 --> 0:47:55.839 mom would care for people and take care of them 0:47:55.880 --> 0:47:59.080 and do things that she know they would prefer. And 0:47:59.120 --> 0:48:01.560 as i've you know, as I was growing up, as 0:48:01.600 --> 0:48:05.880 I became become an adult, there's something very special inside 0:48:05.880 --> 0:48:09.000 of a culture that makes people feel valued. I was 0:48:09.040 --> 0:48:11.399 talking with my daughter the other night, and it's it's 0:48:11.440 --> 0:48:15.160 more than just making people feel comfortable around you. There 0:48:15.239 --> 0:48:18.759 is something lacking in the world that makes people at 0:48:18.800 --> 0:48:21.839 an internal level feel valued. And like Misty was talking 0:48:21.880 --> 0:48:24.759 about just a minute ago, because I don't care what 0:48:24.800 --> 0:48:27.719 you do. What you do doesn't define you. Who you 0:48:27.760 --> 0:48:30.799 are is what defines you. And when when you come 0:48:30.800 --> 0:48:33.680 in contact with someone who sees the value in you 0:48:34.880 --> 0:48:36.960 and cares enough to call you in the middle of 0:48:36.960 --> 0:48:40.279 the night. That's a pretty special thing. I mean, that's 0:48:40.320 --> 0:48:45.480 something that that's that's unique and rare and and and 0:48:45.640 --> 0:48:50.160 honestly quite quite beautiful. I mean, it's amazing what that does. 0:48:50.600 --> 0:48:53.960 And I think I think just just listening to that 0:48:54.000 --> 0:48:56.919 podcast and here and you talk about their family, it's 0:48:56.960 --> 0:49:02.600 like something that they've that they have uh cultivated inside 0:49:02.600 --> 0:49:05.560 of their little clan, and when you were able to 0:49:05.600 --> 0:49:08.200 come in contact with it, he realized the special thing 0:49:08.239 --> 0:49:12.600 they have. Yeah, the other thing that I wanted to 0:49:12.640 --> 0:49:16.480 bring up was what did you think about Britt Davis? 0:49:17.160 --> 0:49:22.440 Mr Brett Davis? Seven minute that seven minute interview. Pretty 0:49:22.440 --> 0:49:30.200 amazing he was when he bought his dad died, he 0:49:30.320 --> 0:49:32.680 was thirteen years old and grew a crop of tobacco 0:49:33.680 --> 0:49:37.479 and the farm that he lives on to this day. 0:49:37.760 --> 0:49:41.919 Literally And that's a heck of a mantel to put 0:49:42.040 --> 0:49:47.239 on a twelve year old kid. Yeah, they didn't. It 0:49:47.360 --> 0:49:50.360 wasn't like somebody said, hey, Clay asked Mr Britt about 0:49:50.920 --> 0:49:53.279 how he got his house that, because they would have 0:49:53.280 --> 0:49:55.320 done that, because they did that about a couple other things. 0:49:55.840 --> 0:49:58.319 They were like, Hey, asked him about this or that? Well, 0:49:58.480 --> 0:50:00.319 they told me to ask him about how the doct or. 0:50:00.400 --> 0:50:03.319 I talked about how the doctor in the community went 0:50:03.360 --> 0:50:06.959 around they put a white flag on their mailbox, and 0:50:07.040 --> 0:50:09.600 nobody asked me to It was just it was just 0:50:09.800 --> 0:50:14.040 normal and what was really neat from a like an 0:50:14.040 --> 0:50:19.240 interview journalistic standpoint. I did not come there to interview 0:50:19.320 --> 0:50:24.720 Mr Britt. Mr Britt is always there. He says very little, 0:50:25.840 --> 0:50:29.040 and I really wasn't sure how he would respond to me, 0:50:29.160 --> 0:50:31.399 like putting him on the spot, And so I got 0:50:31.440 --> 0:50:36.000 done interview in Mr Roy. And Roy is constantly trying 0:50:36.000 --> 0:50:40.120 to bring other people in for real, like if you're 0:50:40.360 --> 0:50:43.480 hunting with hounds, he's wanting you to put your dog 0:50:43.520 --> 0:50:47.080 out on the track. And he said, hey, you need 0:50:47.120 --> 0:50:49.160 to get you need to get bred over here, Brett, 0:50:49.200 --> 0:50:52.359 come over where, come over where down and they put 0:50:52.400 --> 0:50:54.640 the headset on Mr Britt. And I wasn't prepared to 0:50:54.680 --> 0:50:56.880 interview Mr Britt, And I think that's what made it 0:50:56.920 --> 0:50:59.680 so good because I just asked him. I was just like, 0:50:59.719 --> 0:51:02.719 what are your first memories? And you know he's and 0:51:02.719 --> 0:51:08.160 and and he just started talking and and yeah, and 0:51:08.200 --> 0:51:11.000 that surprised me. That was pretty emotionally listening to it. 0:51:11.360 --> 0:51:14.920 That surprised me because I ran into you know that 0:51:15.040 --> 0:51:18.320 his father had died, and I don't know, you just 0:51:18.360 --> 0:51:22.400 said you just have I did learn something. You have 0:51:22.640 --> 0:51:26.960 this sense that like a ninety year old man, like 0:51:27.040 --> 0:51:29.880 you could just ask him outright about his dad. That 0:51:30.280 --> 0:51:32.440 was my sense, and I hope it didn't come across 0:51:32.440 --> 0:51:36.480 as brash. I actually take out some of the spaces, 0:51:36.480 --> 0:51:40.200 like sometimes there's in normal communication will be a pause 0:51:40.680 --> 0:51:43.840 for emphasis on burgharas because we're trying to make it efficient. 0:51:43.840 --> 0:51:45.440 I take out a lot of stuff. So it sounded 0:51:45.480 --> 0:51:48.000 like I just was like, how'd your dad? How did 0:51:48.040 --> 0:51:50.319 you handle that? But really that was kind of some 0:51:50.520 --> 0:51:55.439 a little bit more thought in it. But uh but well, 0:51:55.440 --> 0:51:57.280 I know, as I was listening to it, I didn't 0:51:57.280 --> 0:52:00.840 want to feel rude the way it came with ross 0:52:00.880 --> 0:52:04.160 because because I said, how did it affect you when 0:52:04.200 --> 0:52:08.160 your dad died? And he he didn't say anything for 0:52:08.239 --> 0:52:12.799 probably four or five seconds. Yeah, yeah, you know, and 0:52:13.239 --> 0:52:16.680 that was he's ninety, he'll be nine. Well he's ninety now, 0:52:16.719 --> 0:52:18.840 he said. If I lift out June twod because we 0:52:19.000 --> 0:52:23.440 recorded it before then seventy eight years ago and he's 0:52:23.440 --> 0:52:26.480 still you know, I'm the same way and my dad's 0:52:26.480 --> 0:52:30.880 been gone ten years now, eleven years now. But his 0:52:31.000 --> 0:52:35.000 reaction to that was just like mine would have been 0:52:36.400 --> 0:52:40.080 six years ago or right after it happened. It's still, 0:52:40.600 --> 0:52:44.040 you know, a deep emotional effect that has guided him 0:52:44.080 --> 0:52:47.440 to where he sat from that day to where he's 0:52:47.440 --> 0:52:50.239 sitting right now. That was, you know what, one of 0:52:50.280 --> 0:52:52.080 the things that got him to where he is. So 0:52:53.880 --> 0:52:58.360 Mr Britt trunted with him every single day this year. Really. 0:52:58.440 --> 0:53:02.240 He drives a little Suzuki sidekick, a little four wheel 0:53:02.320 --> 0:53:06.759 drive and he he just rides around listen to the bear. 0:53:06.880 --> 0:53:10.520 You know, the guys have their trucks and they they 0:53:10.760 --> 0:53:13.040 the guys that are hunting or you know, it's a hustle. 0:53:13.160 --> 0:53:15.520 They're trying to cut off dog races, and it's just 0:53:15.600 --> 0:53:19.280 like it's pretty cool. Mr Britt stays on the radio 0:53:19.640 --> 0:53:22.160 and knows that country and and you know here he'll 0:53:22.160 --> 0:53:24.319 hear him say, man, the dogs are headed to cow 0:53:24.440 --> 0:53:27.719 Pin Pass. Well, he'll get in his Suzuki and head 0:53:27.760 --> 0:53:30.960 over there, and you get out and listen to the dogs. 0:53:31.640 --> 0:53:34.040 And he I'm pretty sure he told me he hunted 0:53:34.080 --> 0:53:36.200 every day with him this year that they hunted. So 0:53:36.239 --> 0:53:38.960 the Tennessee season has like you know, see three of 0:53:39.040 --> 0:53:41.719 three different seasons that are you know, however along but 0:53:42.280 --> 0:53:46.759 pretty pretty unique. Um I thought, so, part two of 0:53:46.800 --> 0:53:53.000 the podcast is gonna be about moonshine, Nascar, and bear hunting. 0:53:53.600 --> 0:53:55.800 It was all supposed to be in one podcast, and 0:53:55.840 --> 0:53:58.040 when I got diving into it, it was just too much. 0:53:58.400 --> 0:54:02.000 I really want to dive into moons shine because moonshine 0:54:02.120 --> 0:54:07.760 was it's handled. Listen, I'll forecast to you what's gonna 0:54:07.800 --> 0:54:13.520 happen on this Like people talk about moonshine hard liquor 0:54:13.920 --> 0:54:16.719 as if it's like candy. I mean, like even when 0:54:16.719 --> 0:54:19.120 you're in that country, like you see it on billboards 0:54:19.120 --> 0:54:23.520 and it's just this like playful thing, like, oh, moonshine. Well, Man, 0:54:23.560 --> 0:54:26.839 moonshine ruined a lot of families. I had a guy 0:54:26.880 --> 0:54:29.840 over there who didn't want to be on the podcast. 0:54:29.880 --> 0:54:32.320 I kind of tried to get him on and he 0:54:32.960 --> 0:54:35.239 decided he didn't want to be. But you know, he 0:54:35.239 --> 0:54:38.520 he told me, he said, man moonshine was like the 0:54:38.560 --> 0:54:44.319 meth dealers of that time. It ruined families. It and 0:54:44.320 --> 0:54:49.600 and so and that's one, like pretty dramatic extreme. But 0:54:49.680 --> 0:54:53.200 the other extreme is that that, yeah, moonshine, no big deal. 0:54:54.160 --> 0:54:56.440 And you heard what Mr Roy said. I gave you 0:54:56.480 --> 0:54:59.480 just a snippet as he said, I said, what do 0:54:59.520 --> 0:55:02.400 you think about liquor? And he said, I don't want 0:55:02.400 --> 0:55:04.800 anything to do with it? And he was real upfront 0:55:05.160 --> 0:55:06.719 and he wouldn't have said it if he didn't want, 0:55:07.280 --> 0:55:08.799 you know, he didn't. He just said it because it 0:55:08.840 --> 0:55:11.040 was true. He said, he said, some of my family 0:55:11.480 --> 0:55:15.120 stayed drunk their whole life, and I wasn't gonna be 0:55:15.160 --> 0:55:18.879 that way. That is why I like Mr Roy. I mean, 0:55:19.040 --> 0:55:23.759 nobody's perfect, but that kind of character was just like 0:55:23.960 --> 0:55:25.640 I made a decision when I was a kid, ain't 0:55:25.680 --> 0:55:28.160 gonna be like these guys. I'm not gonna have somebody 0:55:28.200 --> 0:55:30.160 take you have to take care of me. And then 0:55:30.200 --> 0:55:32.520 he and that type of character has only found when 0:55:32.560 --> 0:55:35.520 you go deeper. Right, you think about that region in 0:55:35.560 --> 0:55:39.080 that country. I think here, you immediately have ideas and 0:55:39.120 --> 0:55:42.040 thoughts of who they are. And you know, I bet 0:55:42.080 --> 0:55:44.680 if you pulled if you listen to that podcast up 0:55:44.760 --> 0:55:48.000 until that point, and you pulled a hundred people and 0:55:48.040 --> 0:55:53.440 you said, does this guy drink moonshine? Oh yeah, well 0:55:53.719 --> 0:55:58.160 how many would have said, yes, he does yeah, And 0:55:58.200 --> 0:56:01.320 then he was like, no, sir, I ain't touching this, 0:56:01.520 --> 0:56:06.920 very adamant about it. Now I'll confess, who are you drunk? 0:56:07.640 --> 0:56:09.840 When he was talking about those ferment and peaches in 0:56:09.880 --> 0:56:13.719 that barrel, yeah, I was thinking, now, how would it 0:56:13.800 --> 0:56:15.680 be bad to walk by there with a coffee cup 0:56:15.760 --> 0:56:18.000 kind of maybe take a dip out of that. I 0:56:18.040 --> 0:56:19.560 thought about that on the way up here, but that 0:56:19.680 --> 0:56:25.240 did come through your mind. Here's the Here's the cool 0:56:25.280 --> 0:56:28.839 part is that I go in quite quite a bit 0:56:28.840 --> 0:56:33.719 of depth with Dr Dan Pierce about moonshine, and when 0:56:33.800 --> 0:56:37.520 you hear the whole context, it makes a lot of sense. 0:56:37.600 --> 0:56:40.120 I mean, he talks about the Scots Irish culture. He 0:56:40.200 --> 0:56:42.759 talks about how they came here before they were laws 0:56:42.800 --> 0:56:46.719 regarding liquor, and then how the government came in and 0:56:46.800 --> 0:56:51.360 made laws that basically took the legs out. And basically 0:56:51.360 --> 0:56:53.680 when you see the whole thing, it kind of makes 0:56:53.719 --> 0:56:56.720 sense and you kind of get it, and you realize 0:56:56.760 --> 0:57:00.279 that maybe all these people weren't just bad peep and 0:57:00.280 --> 0:57:04.480 they certainly were not all drunks. I mean, like there 0:57:04.560 --> 0:57:06.440 there's there's many ways to look at it, but I 0:57:06.840 --> 0:57:09.480 feel like in this next podcast, we're gonna get a 0:57:09.680 --> 0:57:13.359 balanced look at it that doesn't glorify it, but also 0:57:14.440 --> 0:57:17.360 just just shows why it was there, you know, this 0:57:17.600 --> 0:57:21.360 artifact of these people being who they were, so it's 0:57:21.560 --> 0:57:24.880 very interesting. And then uh, Nascar is a big part 0:57:24.920 --> 0:57:28.000 of that. And then Roy Clark. I mean, like most 0:57:28.040 --> 0:57:30.760 of what we talked about in the interview was bear hunting, 0:57:31.400 --> 0:57:33.760 and so we're gonna dive into that a bunch more 0:57:33.800 --> 0:57:36.479 and there's a couple of other guests, and so part 0:57:36.520 --> 0:57:42.000 two will be it won't be me, folks, still not Josh, 0:57:42.120 --> 0:57:46.200 you're an Appalachian expert. Though, Hey, what about the music epic? 0:57:46.560 --> 0:57:48.720 It was pretty epic. I love how you can hear 0:57:48.720 --> 0:57:51.960 everybody in the background like, oh, like they're pulling everything 0:57:52.000 --> 0:57:59.880 together many room. Oh, I don't know. Yeah, yeah, we 0:58:00.040 --> 0:58:02.480 were the only people that weren't. There was a neighbor, 0:58:02.520 --> 0:58:05.440 a couple of neighbors they kind of take care of, 0:58:05.520 --> 0:58:09.600 you know, you get lumped into family. Yeah, there'll be 0:58:09.680 --> 0:58:11.880 some more music on the next podcast. But what do 0:58:11.880 --> 0:58:14.840 you think about old a belt Reid? Oh? Wow, that 0:58:15.000 --> 0:58:18.240 is a that's a treasure but that cool. Yeah, absolutely, 0:58:18.320 --> 0:58:21.240 I wanted to show her. You know, she like obviously 0:58:21.280 --> 0:58:25.640 none of us knew her anything, but she was a 0:58:25.880 --> 0:58:30.560 iconic Appalachian woman and banjo player, songwriter, and I called 0:58:30.560 --> 0:58:33.120 her a philosopher because she kind of was. Do you 0:58:33.120 --> 0:58:36.840 know when that recording was from nineteen seventy three, what 0:58:36.840 --> 0:58:39.200 what I mean? The stuff she was saying was just 0:58:39.280 --> 0:58:45.520 like how aproposed to today? You know? She was. She 0:58:45.720 --> 0:58:49.760 was very balanced and she there's quite a bit of 0:58:49.800 --> 0:58:53.880 recordings of her talking and I loved how she said 0:58:54.680 --> 0:58:58.200 She's she's not trying to go backwards. In other places 0:58:58.280 --> 0:59:00.560 in her speech, She's like, I'm not I'm not saying 0:59:00.600 --> 0:59:03.120 that we need to go back to these times. And 0:59:03.160 --> 0:59:06.280 that's how I ended the podcast, as I said, I 0:59:06.320 --> 0:59:11.360 am not. I hope people don't get the idea that 0:59:11.440 --> 0:59:15.280 like I am like lustfully looking back at the past 0:59:15.520 --> 0:59:19.160 wanting to go back, because that is not true. The 0:59:19.200 --> 0:59:21.600 only way to progress is to me, we gotta find 0:59:21.680 --> 0:59:25.680 ways to be relevant today, and that is my goal. Yeah. 0:59:25.680 --> 0:59:28.200 I think that that's even part of the bear grease, 0:59:28.480 --> 0:59:31.480 is that you're acknowledging the good and you're taking the 0:59:31.520 --> 0:59:35.480 good from these ancient things, but you're combining them together 0:59:36.080 --> 0:59:40.520 with progression, movement, forward advance. How did you think I 0:59:40.600 --> 0:59:42.960 ended the podcast? Ms nkem? Would you have done it 0:59:42.960 --> 0:59:55.000 any different? Always? Mr? Or Gary? This is like I 0:59:55.120 --> 0:59:58.920 give it a strong I'll give it. I think Gary 0:59:58.960 --> 1:00:05.440 gave to three right five stars my favorite podcast. No, 1:00:05.640 --> 1:00:08.720 I uh. I also want to say, as we close 1:00:08.800 --> 1:00:11.360 here and we're about we are about to close, I'm 1:00:11.400 --> 1:00:14.919 gonna get out of the South at some point. Like 1:00:15.040 --> 1:00:18.360 almost all the podcasts have been I know, dance all right, man, 1:00:18.800 --> 1:00:23.480 All the podcasts have been Southern focused. And honestly that 1:00:23.600 --> 1:00:26.800 was for No. That wasn't really strategy. I mean people 1:00:26.800 --> 1:00:29.200 have been like, oh meetings trying to get into the South. 1:00:29.560 --> 1:00:33.640 I mean, if that was their plan, they didn't tell me, 1:00:34.400 --> 1:00:36.880 and they and I could have done anything, you know, 1:00:37.000 --> 1:00:39.320 I mean inside the boundaries of what they asked me 1:00:39.360 --> 1:00:42.680 to do before they send you abroad or are they 1:00:42.680 --> 1:00:46.520 gonna are you gonna have some tutorials or workshops on 1:00:47.320 --> 1:00:57.400 how to an You know, Davis only made one trip 1:00:57.440 --> 1:01:02.560 out of Appalachia's whole life to see go to Texas. Yeah, 1:01:02.600 --> 1:01:06.040 that's about like me. You spent a lot of time 1:01:06.080 --> 1:01:12.600 in Canada, foreign country. Yeah. Um no, I just want 1:01:12.640 --> 1:01:14.200 to say that for people. I've had a few people 1:01:14.280 --> 1:01:16.240 be like, oh, you gotta get it, you know, just 1:01:16.320 --> 1:01:18.800 like is this all this is gonna be? But I 1:01:18.920 --> 1:01:21.600 tell you what, I've got as much feedback, positive feedback 1:01:21.640 --> 1:01:24.720 from non Southern people as anything. We are going to 1:01:24.840 --> 1:01:26.360 get out of get out of the South and do 1:01:26.440 --> 1:01:29.160 some different things, and all the negative feedback is from 1:01:29.200 --> 1:01:32.880 people at North. Yeah. It's gonna basically be us critiquing culture. 1:01:34.560 --> 1:01:39.240 It's gonna be me and Brent going around critiquing everyone else. 1:01:39.760 --> 1:01:47.600 No sense, what do you think? Uh No, really, thank 1:01:47.640 --> 1:01:50.360 you guys for coming the Bargary surrender, ton of fun, 1:01:51.000 --> 1:01:56.520 Thank you guys. Beautiful cowbell, Dan, beautiful percussion, Brent good, 1:01:56.600 --> 1:02:00.960 good job on the washboard, everything, um, and then leave us, 1:02:01.080 --> 1:02:03.800 leave us a review on iTunes. Man, I mean, just 1:02:03.840 --> 1:02:07.360 tell us the true woman. I mean, man, when I 1:02:07.400 --> 1:02:12.439 say that, I mean when you leave the South. This 1:02:12.520 --> 1:02:15.800 is this needs to be in the work show. Hey, 1:02:15.840 --> 1:02:19.440 this is what I was going to end on. And 1:02:19.120 --> 1:02:23.040 I'm not like, maybe I am trying to bring this up. 1:02:23.120 --> 1:02:28.080 But Joe Rogan, did you hear the compliment he mustache? 1:02:28.200 --> 1:02:31.880 Josh I did, and I was like, it was like, 1:02:32.080 --> 1:02:34.240 I'm so proud. I can't waiting for him to give 1:02:34.280 --> 1:02:43.200 you credit. That just the way we should ask, though. 1:02:43.360 --> 1:02:47.280 Joe Rogan is probably an urban dweller. How many mustaches 1:02:47.440 --> 1:02:52.360 is he exposed to? Hipsters have mustaches? Like crazy? Oh, 1:02:52.600 --> 1:02:57.920 getting the stink eye from Dan, Yeah, that came out 1:02:57.920 --> 1:03:02.920 of left field for me. Hey, hey, if if anybody 1:03:02.920 --> 1:03:06.120 from the Beargrease world doesn't know, check out the uh 1:03:06.640 --> 1:03:08.720 whatever episode it was on. I was on Joe Rogan. 1:03:09.160 --> 1:03:12.240 That was pretty cool. Pick it up. Check it up. 1:03:12.960 --> 1:03:15.640 Everyone in this room is totally unimpressed. They've never heard 1:03:15.640 --> 1:03:22.200 of Joe Rogan. Probably none of you have. Yeah, there 1:03:22.240 --> 1:03:24.760 was a lot of confusion in my family. It's kind 1:03:24.760 --> 1:03:27.240 of a big down when you tell your dad, Hey, dad, 1:03:27.240 --> 1:03:31.360 I'm gonna be on Joe Rogan and he's like, who she? Well, 1:03:31.400 --> 1:03:34.640 my son Hunter he was. He was very impressed. He's 1:03:34.640 --> 1:03:37.000 still impressed. He called me and talked to me about 1:03:37.000 --> 1:03:40.120 it today. Now that guy's what I thought that Clay 1:03:40.200 --> 1:03:42.320 was gonna I don't know the chain of events, but 1:03:42.320 --> 1:03:48.960 thought Clay was gonna do carpool karaoke. We just did that. 1:03:49.240 --> 1:03:55.360 What happened, Well, Hey, I really liked the live music 1:03:55.400 --> 1:03:59.800 addition to the Beargrease podcast. You may hear more of 1:03:59.840 --> 1:04:02.400 this kind of stuff in the future. Take us home, 1:04:02.480 --> 1:04:07.920 click Hi on the mountaintop. Who all right? Keep the 1:04:07.960 --> 1:04:10.320 wild places wild, because that's where the bears live and 1:04:10.320 --> 1:04:27.120 that's where we get beared greasy. High on the mountaintop. 1:04:27.400 --> 1:04:32.640 Tell me what you see. Bear tracks, bear tracks looking back, 1:04:32.800 --> 1:04:34.480 Get misty,