Speaker 1: Yeah, my name is Clay and Nukeleman. This is a
Speaker 1: production of the bear Grease podcast called the bear Grease Render,
Speaker 1: where we render down, dive deeper, and looked behind the
Speaker 1: scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast. This is all
Speaker 1: pretty new, so I wanted to restate what we're doing.
Speaker 1: You're listening to the bear Grease podcast, which is a
Speaker 1: documentary style podcast about people who lived their lives close
Speaker 1: to the land. Every two weeks we produced such a
Speaker 1: podcast and it includes multiple interviews stitched together to form
Speaker 1: a robust story. On the off weeks, we released the
Speaker 1: bear Grease Render and that's what this episode is. Render
Speaker 1: is a metaphor for taking solid bear fat and rendering
Speaker 1: it down into a liquid. This is where myself, along
Speaker 1: with a group of folks distill and dissect the previous
Speaker 1: documentary style episodes. It's bear Grease unplugged, So get ready
Speaker 1: for some fun on this one. All right, welcome to
Speaker 1: the bear Grease Render. We're singing this song in honor
Speaker 1: of the Clark family over in East Tennessee. Mr Roy
Speaker 1: was on fifty years in the Factor Field podcast. This
Speaker 1: song is called Old slew Foot. We got Missy Nukem
Speaker 1: on the banjo, Brent Reeves on the washboard, Josh Spellmaker
Speaker 1: on the guitar, Daniel Ruf on the cowbell baculum, and
Speaker 1: Mr Melcott Nichols on percussion. High on the mountain top,
Speaker 1: Tell me what you see, bear tracks, bear tracks looking
Speaker 1: back at me. You may get your rifles, boss, before
Speaker 1: it's too late. Bears got a little big, and he's
Speaker 1: hated for the game. Oh he's being around the middle,
Speaker 1: and he's grown across the front, running ninety miles an hour,
Speaker 1: taking thirty feet and jump. He ain't never been caught,
Speaker 1: he ain't never been tre Some folks say he's a
Speaker 1: lot like me. WHOA, I thought you're gonna sing with me?
Speaker 1: Josh Mry saved up for money, and she bought her
Speaker 1: some bees, started making honey away up in the trees.
Speaker 1: She cut down and trees. But the honey's all gone.
Speaker 1: Old slue foot done. Ain't himself at home. Always big
Speaker 1: around the middle, and he's trought across the front, running
Speaker 1: ninety miles. Now we're taking thirty feet and jumping. He
Speaker 1: ain't never been called, he ain't never been treating. Some
Speaker 1: folks saved he's a lot like me, all right, winners,
Speaker 1: coming boys winnowers coming at its sporty be low rivers,
Speaker 1: froze over. So where can he go? We'll rot him
Speaker 1: up the holler and we'll put him in a well,
Speaker 1: shoot him in the bottom, just to listen to him here.
Speaker 1: Everybody always big around the middle. And he's roight across
Speaker 1: the run, running ninety miles an hour. Take can thirty
Speaker 1: feet a jump. He ain't never been called, he ain't
Speaker 1: never been treated, ain't had nobody after him like me?
Speaker 1: Whoa it's ever been cold? He ain't never been trained,
Speaker 1: he ain't never been caught. I can't I got can
Speaker 1: I can do a little Redlyn Hey, Welcome to the
Speaker 1: Bear Grease Surrender Podcast. The bear Grease Render. This is
Speaker 1: the second. This is the second Bear Grease Surrender And
Speaker 1: for those of you who might be new to this,
Speaker 1: here a little show. The bear Grease Surrender is where
Speaker 1: we render down and distill the documentary style podcasts that
Speaker 1: are the bear Grease Podcast. So the bear and because
Speaker 1: this is new, we gotta explain, don't you think, Dr Dan,
Speaker 1: I feel good about it. So the every every week
Speaker 1: the Bargrease Podcast is a documentary style narrative storytelling podcast
Speaker 1: where we explore culture, where we explore all kinds of
Speaker 1: interesting fun stuff. Right. The Beargrease Render is where me
Speaker 1: and my merry group of men and one lady who
Speaker 1: I will be introducing soon these podcasts. So we've had
Speaker 1: two podcasts that we're gonna talk about. But before we
Speaker 1: do that, I've got to give proper introductions. Okay, Um,
Speaker 1: last time you guys would have met Brent Reeves, who
Speaker 1: is Uh did you guys know that Brent Reeves was
Speaker 1: an undercover narcotics agent for many many years. He looks
Speaker 1: he looks like my man crush on you, just like quadrupled.
Speaker 1: Brent Reeves is my spirit animal. What that is actually
Speaker 1: equates to is that he is a professional liar. True.
Speaker 1: This goes back to my panther story. True story. When
Speaker 1: I first met Brent, I was like, I wasn't think
Speaker 1: I was. I was sort of joking, but I was
Speaker 1: sort of serious. I felt like he may have been
Speaker 1: working under cover for like the Arkansas Game and Fish
Speaker 1: Commission to try to infiltrate and bust me. And I
Speaker 1: was like, dude, I got nothing to hide. That's what
Speaker 1: everybody says. That's what everybody says. But Now, had you
Speaker 1: actually thought I was an undercover cop, I would have
Speaker 1: been really bad at it. Well, see, I thought that
Speaker 1: was the genius of it. You come in and you're like, man,
Speaker 1: I used to be an undercover in narcotics agent. And
Speaker 1: then I would be like, well he just told me
Speaker 1: a stick. You see what I'm saying, And now I'm
Speaker 1: a full time Game of Fish agent. And then we
Speaker 1: have Josh Spillmaker. Welcome Josh. So Josh is just my
Speaker 1: longtime buddy. UM got lots of funny stories about you,
Speaker 1: but I couldn't really some of them can't be repeated.
Speaker 1: But between you, we've also got Dr Daniel Roupe here.
Speaker 1: Dan is a Highlight guest today because he was on
Speaker 1: the Acorn podcast. He was the feature academic guest on
Speaker 1: the podcast Searching for Acorns and uh, man, I thought
Speaker 1: you did a phenomenal job. And we'll get we'll get
Speaker 1: into that later. Unpaid. You feel discriminated against because you
Speaker 1: say acorn? I do do you say acory? I think
Speaker 1: it's interchangeable, probably the code switching cod switching son of
Speaker 1: a gun. What you say is a pledge of allegiance
Speaker 1: interchangeable exactly. No, Hey, did you guys know. Did you
Speaker 1: guys know Daniel Rupe speaks fluent Mandarin Chennese. Do you
Speaker 1: know my wife minor Dian Mandarin? I did not, she
Speaker 1: can't speak all. Damn. Here's my here's my question for you.
Speaker 1: How do you say bear grease and Mandarin Chinese bear
Speaker 1: grease would be show ma. That's actually panda Yeah, talking
Speaker 1: about taking it up a notch clay, and I see
Speaker 1: one of those mounted in here. I think that's panda
Speaker 1: oil would be the dynamic equivalent. Wow. Now, just like
Speaker 1: in like a very short snippet, talk to me about
Speaker 1: tonal languages. So I was mesmerized in one time at
Speaker 1: a bear camp around the fire? Are you talking about
Speaker 1: tony language? Guaranteed to mesmerize everybody. But you can have
Speaker 1: like the same like m a ma, or like we
Speaker 1: would say mama, that same word ma, ma ma. They're
Speaker 1: four different tones, and each one means a totally different thing.
Speaker 1: So one is horse, one is immediately, one is tumor,
Speaker 1: one is you know. And the crazy, most frustrating thing
Speaker 1: is there seems to be very little cooperation in context.
Speaker 1: If you're talking with a person who's fluent in Chinese
Speaker 1: and you accidentally use the wrong term tone, which is
Speaker 1: like me every five seconds and you're you're saying, hey,
Speaker 1: you know I like that immediately, I'm sorry you have
Speaker 1: a tumor. Know I wanted immediate. You have a really
Speaker 1: large I'm not talking about tumors. It's very So they
Speaker 1: repeat back what she said, like almost to show you that,
Speaker 1: because it's important to get their language right. Well, it's
Speaker 1: like there's a different word for everything in that. Well,
Speaker 1: no tonal language, man, that's like, we don't have tonal
Speaker 1: like other tonal languages. Yes, there are Arabic tone. I
Speaker 1: don't know the answer to that. Yeah, we used tone
Speaker 1: all the time, but it's like to communicate emotion or
Speaker 1: a question. I kind of at the end of the sentence,
Speaker 1: you'll go up. But they used tone means meaning, and
Speaker 1: then hey, speaking of tonal languages. This the most fascinating thing.
Speaker 1: And I'm not getting ahead of myself. We're still in
Speaker 1: introductions because there's still two guests yet to introduce. But
Speaker 1: I want to bring this up. This book Southern Mountain
Speaker 1: Speech by Cratis williams if in the most intriguing thing
Speaker 1: about fifty years in the Backer Field with Mr Roy Clark,
Speaker 1: is his accent, Like I just like hearing the man talk.
Speaker 1: And this book talks about how mountain people sometimes well
Speaker 1: they use that well I was going down through there
Speaker 1: to really emphasize and they elongate the endings of sentences
Speaker 1: and bring him way up. And Mr Roy does that
Speaker 1: all the time. Are we talking about the podcast? We're not.
Speaker 1: We're still in introductions, Josh. I'd like to just say,
Speaker 1: Eric is not a tonal language. Googled it. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: So we're going to come back to this because I
Speaker 1: want to. I want to talk about the reasons why
Speaker 1: the content that is in that podcast is in it. Okay.
Speaker 1: So to directly to my left, Dr Maliki Nichols, how
Speaker 1: are your brother? What do you think of that music?
Speaker 1: It was? It was nice, It's nice live. I don't
Speaker 1: think I would drive home listening to it. It okay,
Speaker 1: that's to say it. But you were a part of
Speaker 1: the band I was, I was representing Percussions. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: would I've been invited back next week? I don't know
Speaker 1: you were able to listen to the podcast. So I
Speaker 1: know you've got some meati stuff to say. Some media.
Speaker 1: So some acorn meat, specific acorn meat that was actually
Speaker 1: a phrase he just showed us. Yet we'll get their introductions.
Speaker 1: To my to my to my right is our guest
Speaker 1: of honor. This is my wife, Mr Newcom, who all
Speaker 1: you guys know, but Misty, Misty is for many reasons
Speaker 1: qualified to be here. But she's been on the Beargrease podcast.
Speaker 1: We've said a couple of times the only person that's
Speaker 1: really not qualified to be here is Josh. He hasn't
Speaker 1: been on that actual Beargrease podcast, but everybody else has.
Speaker 1: But Misty was on Death of a Bear Hunter has
Speaker 1: been one of the probably the most talked about of
Speaker 1: the podcast to date. Probably my specific contributions, it was
Speaker 1: Misty went with me at the end. Do you guys
Speaker 1: remember we were down into where we believe Erskine's grave
Speaker 1: to be and we've got some commentary. So Missy, how
Speaker 1: are you? I'm good? Thanks for asking, nice spanned your work.
Speaker 1: Thank you, you're glad to be here. I'm very glad
Speaker 1: to be here. Mr Sporting her Farm Boots. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: want to say too that my dad, Gary Newcomb, was
Speaker 1: unable to come today. He loves coming up here. And
Speaker 1: uh a lady that was years old, that was quite
Speaker 1: influential in his career, passed away in the funeralists today
Speaker 1: and he couldn't get around that coming, so he went
Speaker 1: to that funeral. So well, no, it's a celebration, man, celebration. Golly,
Speaker 1: if you have ninety eight years old and people want
Speaker 1: to come to your funeral, you probably are doing pretty good.
Speaker 1: So get But hey, Gary Newcomb, there is like rumor
Speaker 1: on the internet of like a Gary Newcomb fan club
Speaker 1: people multiple Panthers. I think it's called the Black Panthers,
Speaker 1: the Black Panther Believers. Yeah, yeah, no, so uh, there's
Speaker 1: a couple of things I want to bring up that
Speaker 1: some some feedback that I got, Okay, and I want
Speaker 1: you guys to chime in with your commentary, so you know,
Speaker 1: on the Acorn podcast, and that's what we'll talk about first. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get to a point where we don't have
Speaker 1: multiple episodes to discuss in every Burger Surrender. This one
Speaker 1: we have to last Burger Surrender. We had a bunch more,
Speaker 1: but I had some guys hit me pretty hard for
Speaker 1: the way I think I was one of these people.
Speaker 1: Well tell me what you were going to say. I
Speaker 1: have no problem with your use of the whether you
Speaker 1: choose to to say acorn or acorn makes no difference
Speaker 1: to me. What I do have a problem with is
Speaker 1: the way you pronounce pronunciation. I didn't know that was
Speaker 1: a word. I always thought it was pronunciation like it
Speaker 1: was spelled. But apparently there's a how do you pronounce? Uh? Okay?
Speaker 1: Every people, many many people were like Clay great podcast say,
Speaker 1: pronunciation is totally wrong. I never even you didn't hear it. Pronunciation.
Speaker 1: Do you realize, yes, you say pronunciation, it's pronunciation. Pronunciation
Speaker 1: just a few miles south of him and we said pronunciation,
Speaker 1: I mean said pronunciation. Well, I know it's fair game,
Speaker 1: Like that's exactly the kind of feedback I need. I
Speaker 1: think I'm not going to change. Dr Danna Roupe can
Speaker 1: work with you on you would say pronunciation, I would.
Speaker 1: I guess I'm wrong. The way that I think about
Speaker 1: it is I don't I've never pronounced a word, and
Speaker 1: you know, I've been worried about the way I pronounced
Speaker 1: a word until now that I have to say pronunciation.
Speaker 1: Did you say you see where I'm going with us? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I thought you had a mini stroke because that that
Speaker 1: was one thing, that was one thing that came up um, hey,
Speaker 1: the people came out in droves to to leave reviews
Speaker 1: on iTunes for us, which is awesome and we we
Speaker 1: we I mean like I don't know, sometimes like you
Speaker 1: just want to do somebody a favor just for no
Speaker 1: good reason and uh and it's it's helped us and
Speaker 1: uh overwhelmingly like positive reviews. A couple, a couple not
Speaker 1: so positive. Did anybody stand up for me not having
Speaker 1: been on the Bargaries podcast? Yet nobody was worried about that.
Speaker 1: We think it's a silent majority. Yeah. Yeah, So to
Speaker 1: find those bad reviews, you'll have to go through and
Speaker 1: read all the other reviews. So you're not gonna read
Speaker 1: on well I thought about given I thinks too much
Speaker 1: credit to the bad guys, and people are gonna be like, well,
Speaker 1: let's leave a bad review. What happens if you read
Speaker 1: one and somebody's like, oh yeah, I never thought let me.
Speaker 1: So thanks to everybody that's listening that gave us iTunes reviews.
Speaker 1: That was really great Acron podcast. A guy sent me
Speaker 1: A guy from Amador, California sent me a private message
Speaker 1: on Instagram about this first nation tribe called the me
Speaker 1: Walks m I W O K S and there's this
Speaker 1: big and I believe it's sandstone. I'm not sure the
Speaker 1: type of rock that it is, but it's in this
Speaker 1: area that they used to camp and whatnot. And a
Speaker 1: lot of the Indians in California they they there's several
Speaker 1: tribes that milled acrons into flour and made bread. And
Speaker 1: so there's this rock, this big rock that's about as
Speaker 1: big as the the building here that we're in. And
Speaker 1: there were holes divots in the rock where they had
Speaker 1: ground acron flower for you know, presumably thousands of years.
Speaker 1: And so he he wanted to show me that. And
Speaker 1: there's an incredible video that was made in the nineteen
Speaker 1: thirties about making acron bread and it was you could
Speaker 1: tell it was like a real deal um Native American
Speaker 1: lady and it was in California. I'm not sure if
Speaker 1: she was one of the Mewalks, but there's a there's
Speaker 1: a video making uh bread from acrons. I think it's
Speaker 1: on YouTube. But this guy said his friends, one of
Speaker 1: his friends is a me Walk and he told his
Speaker 1: me Walk good friend about the acron podcast and he said, hey,
Speaker 1: this guy made his podcast about acrons. This is what
Speaker 1: his his friend said to him. He said. He said, well,
Speaker 1: he said, I told my mewalk buddy about your podcast,
Speaker 1: and he said, thank god, I don't have to eat
Speaker 1: my uncle's acorn soup again. I thought that was funny.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's pretty funny? I mean, acorn podcast
Speaker 1: searching for Acorns? What do you think, Malo? What do
Speaker 1: you think? Man? I? First of all, I've never heard
Speaker 1: you say acorn like acorn. I couldn't even get it
Speaker 1: out of my mouth. You haven't heard me say acre
Speaker 1: and you hadn't been listening, man, I've it's it's acorn.
Speaker 1: I just I was raised on acorn from Texas um
Speaker 1: and it's always been I've always heard it and pronounced it.
Speaker 1: Now now they can't even talk acorn. And I just
Speaker 1: thought it was so you. So you're like listening to
Speaker 1: that content like this would have been something totally new
Speaker 1: to you. You didn't even know there was a big issue. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had no idea it was a big issue, right.
Speaker 1: I've was an adult when I realized it was a
Speaker 1: big issue, and I had actually, you know, and this
Speaker 1: is a conversation for another day, but I had been
Speaker 1: a little embarrassed about how my family was treated when
Speaker 1: they would talk in public up north, and so I
Speaker 1: had put a lot of effort into changing my accent
Speaker 1: when I was younger, so that people wentn't like snicker
Speaker 1: when I spoke. When I met her, she was sixteen
Speaker 1: years old, and the first conversation I had with her,
Speaker 1: I said, you're not from around here, really, and she said, yes,
Speaker 1: I am. And I said, really, where are you from?
Speaker 1: And she's you know, she told me the town, which
Speaker 1: is like five miles away. Was like, you're from there,
Speaker 1: like not, you didn't move there? And it was because
Speaker 1: code switching, code switching. And I went to drove by
Speaker 1: the school district with your wife, Christie, Christie Spillmaker, and
Speaker 1: I said, that's where Clay's mom works. That's Acron school district.
Speaker 1: And I had put all this effort into changing how
Speaker 1: I spoke. And she said, what did you just say?
Speaker 1: And I said akorn and she said, oh, that's funny.
Speaker 1: I thought that that was like the the thing that
Speaker 1: grew into oaks. I thought that was how it was spelled.
Speaker 1: And I said, what are you talking about. I had
Speaker 1: no idea that there was any I would have attempted
Speaker 1: to change the way I said it. At that point
Speaker 1: in my life. And Christie kept saying, are you saying acorn?
Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, acorn and and it was kind
Speaker 1: of like when you talk to a kid who thinks
Speaker 1: they're saying it the right way. Like my niece would
Speaker 1: say two deets and we would say, you say, she
Speaker 1: meant cooties. Anyways, we'd go back and forth, but Christine,
Speaker 1: I went back and forth and we could never figure
Speaker 1: out that. And it was a shock to me that
Speaker 1: that you were an adult before you realize And so
Speaker 1: what was the impact Maliki of like if you didn't
Speaker 1: know there was this thing going on? Like was it
Speaker 1: was it? What? What you what? Because you would be
Speaker 1: in the like so it's you know, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: you know. My general takeaway is that there's always something deeper,
Speaker 1: you know, you can't assume. And I think what what's
Speaker 1: you're getting at is that Southern draw that Southern culture,
Speaker 1: the way people talk. I talk different, Um, I'm educated,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter um. And I think people when you
Speaker 1: hear me talk or here, certain things that people say,
Speaker 1: you automatically try to put them in a group. And
Speaker 1: I think inside of the podcast you you show and
Speaker 1: and also challenge people to think differently and that don't
Speaker 1: automatically assume that you know the full picture by just
Speaker 1: one person said what one person says, but at the
Speaker 1: same time also agree and also dabble with it being
Speaker 1: like a signal what people say, because there's there's different sex,
Speaker 1: there's different you know. I'm in education, so when people
Speaker 1: say different things, I kind of know their level of understanding. UM.
Speaker 1: But you have to use it appropriately. And I think
Speaker 1: inside of inside of the issue of acorn versus acorn,
Speaker 1: I think it challenges people just don't always assume there's
Speaker 1: something deeper, um. And usually that thing something deeper is
Speaker 1: people's history, right how they are raised. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: listening to your mom talk about Acron school district, it's like,
Speaker 1: I get where you where, why you say it. That's
Speaker 1: that's a history that's valuable that that can't you can't
Speaker 1: shun it off just because it's different than what you do,
Speaker 1: are different than what you've experience and what's interesting, Dan,
Speaker 1: I think you might get speak to this. But the
Speaker 1: the trend inside of a world that's massively communic communicating
Speaker 1: with each other, is to do kind of what Misty
Speaker 1: did to try to sound normal. I read about just
Speaker 1: yesterday saw watch the video on an island off the
Speaker 1: coast of North Carolina, Oker Cooke. Have you heard of that?
Speaker 1: And and they they had this like incredible, very distinct
Speaker 1: dialect that could directly be linked back to England and
Speaker 1: different things. In eighties, basically that dialect started to be
Speaker 1: lost because of television and kids moving off and outside influence,
Speaker 1: and you know it's I guess in some ways you
Speaker 1: kind of just have to decide, like what what has value?
Speaker 1: And I mean, like, I don't think anybody's I'm not
Speaker 1: necessarily I'm not staking my life on whether my kids
Speaker 1: say a corn or acorn, But I do think it
Speaker 1: has value. I do, and so I think we can.
Speaker 1: I think there is value in maintaining some cultural identity,
Speaker 1: like the pronunciation of that word. Pronunciation of that word
Speaker 1: has value because identity has value. And so like you say, um,
Speaker 1: the story of girls soccer, you know, in that story
Speaker 1: and how it's impacted your life, that has value and
Speaker 1: so maybe probably has more value than acren or acorn.
Speaker 1: So you would hope that that would shape your family, uh,
Speaker 1: and everybody. Essentially we all construct identity and we're all
Speaker 1: trying to have and maintain a stable I mean, we're
Speaker 1: all fundamentally insecure, and so we're all trying to accept.
Speaker 1: For Josh with that mustache. I got something to say
Speaker 1: about mustaches later. But we're all one a stable identity,
Speaker 1: and so we're we're always using things, all kinds of
Speaker 1: things of greater and lesser kind of value and worth,
Speaker 1: depending on your perspective, to make that identity. And then
Speaker 1: you in our world where we're so you go up
Speaker 1: north for the first time as a child, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, it's like, if I talk the way
Speaker 1: I talk in Hatfield, I get laughed at, and I
Speaker 1: don't want my family to get laughed at, you know.
Speaker 1: Or um, there's so many different things and you don't
Speaker 1: even think of it, you know, consciously you thought of it.
Speaker 1: But a lot of times as a as a young
Speaker 1: young child, if we want to fit into our family,
Speaker 1: then we talk the way they do, you know. Or
Speaker 1: as agers, if we want to rebel, we do things
Speaker 1: that our family doesn't do. You know. Yeah, yeah, that's incredible, man.
Speaker 1: And so in this book Southern Mountain Speech, this this
Speaker 1: guy was a professor at the university in Boone what
Speaker 1: is it, Appalachian State University, and he was. It's the
Speaker 1: first part of the book is his history. He's he's
Speaker 1: been gone for a while, twenty years or so. Basically
Speaker 1: he became this He was raised in rural Appalachia, and
Speaker 1: he noticed that when kids went to public schools that
Speaker 1: these kids came with like basically this fundamental way of
Speaker 1: communication that and he makes a case that that fundamental
Speaker 1: way of communication and grammar and pronounced pronunciation of words
Speaker 1: had been scripted for the last hundred and fifty years.
Speaker 1: When they went into public school, they were wrong and
Speaker 1: they were taught something totally different. And he felt like
Speaker 1: that it was stripping identity away from these people. And
Speaker 1: he he he basically was making a case for who's
Speaker 1: to say what's right or wrong? And he used it
Speaker 1: was interesting because he actually used the word bear as
Speaker 1: an example. He gave four different examples of the pronounce
Speaker 1: I can't pronounce four years old, I can't change, okay,
Speaker 1: the pronunciation of the word bear, and and I can't
Speaker 1: even say it the way he described it. But like
Speaker 1: way up north, they would be like bear. They had
Speaker 1: a way of sin they had and and then I
Speaker 1: would say like bear, like an emphasis on the air
Speaker 1: bear in east Tennessee. They say, bar, I can't replicate it, man,
Speaker 1: I mean like I feel like I am, like I
Speaker 1: love Tennessee. I wish I mean like I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm at home when I'm over there. I can't say
Speaker 1: it like Roy Clark and those boys bar bar do
Speaker 1: they say creek or creek over there? Creek is Midwestern, man,
Speaker 1: Creek is not Southern. He specifically said that. He said
Speaker 1: people in Appalachians don't say creek at a lot of
Speaker 1: people right me and say you could have done that
Speaker 1: on creek and creek and I was like, no, I've
Speaker 1: never said drink in my life. If you don't even
Speaker 1: get started on pecan, I'm not particular on that word. Really. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you put it on the bed at night. It ain't
Speaker 1: what you eat in the path. A beacon under the bed. Yeah, well, okay,
Speaker 1: you know what Daniel in that podcast, Daniel talked about
Speaker 1: community and the trust thing, and you you seek out
Speaker 1: people that are part of your community that you identify with.
Speaker 1: While I'm sitting there listening to that, I'm driving back
Speaker 1: from Oklahoma and I'm listening to that. When I was
Speaker 1: in basic training in four Still, Oklahoma or something in
Speaker 1: there with people from all over the United States. We
Speaker 1: all looked the same, we all got the same haircut.
Speaker 1: We everything that we have and identify with is just
Speaker 1: like we're dressed and clothed and outfitted identically identical to
Speaker 1: the other forty people in this barracks. And the only
Speaker 1: thing that about midway through, I found myself talking with
Speaker 1: these three other guys all the time. We were just
Speaker 1: kind of like we always if there was any downtime,
Speaker 1: we were always together. Nobody even thought to ask where
Speaker 1: we were all from. One guy was from Houston, Texas,
Speaker 1: the other two were from Tennessee, and I was from Arkansas.
Speaker 1: And we were the only people in there from the South,
Speaker 1: not one of the person. And we didn't go together
Speaker 1: because of that. We were drawn together because we all
Speaker 1: talked the same. And it was I never even though
Speaker 1: you found yourself just like drifting. I just read um
Speaker 1: in the last couple of weeks. I can't remember name
Speaker 1: of the author, but a study has been done like
Speaker 1: the underlying factors of PTSD and men and women returning
Speaker 1: from tours of duty, and the psychologists are big beginning
Speaker 1: to connect PTSD symptoms not too active duty like combat
Speaker 1: frontlines encounters but two, I was embedded in a community
Speaker 1: where we shared everything language, culture, We wore the same stuff,
Speaker 1: we talked the same ways. You're using the same lingo.
Speaker 1: And for the first time in all of these people's life,
Speaker 1: they were part of a home, like a social group
Speaker 1: that had integrity across its kind of members. And then
Speaker 1: you're removed from that, and all of a sudden, you
Speaker 1: have all these you're you're depressed, you can't sleep, you're
Speaker 1: anxious and there, and psychologists are beginning to say, yes,
Speaker 1: of course, you know, intense combat experience of our Uh,
Speaker 1: nobody's gonna argue that's gonna mess you up. But we
Speaker 1: underestimate the deep need that we have for what you
Speaker 1: experience and how wonderful that was, and we're just drawn
Speaker 1: to it. We want it. We and successful organizations, successful companies,
Speaker 1: they use language to create culture. They've got acronyms, they've
Speaker 1: got lingo, they've got even like your malacho you're talking about.
Speaker 1: In education, somebody uses certain terms. You can kind of
Speaker 1: tell what background they're coming from. We do this all
Speaker 1: the time everywhere. But we and we can, you know,
Speaker 1: have differences over but we don't realize how deep seated
Speaker 1: that need is you know what you know, what really
Speaker 1: when you're talking about that makes me think about you know,
Speaker 1: there's such a push in society these days for freedom.
Speaker 1: I want my freedom, I want to be able to
Speaker 1: do what I feel like I want to do, when
Speaker 1: in reality, there is actually a lot of safety and
Speaker 1: stability inside of having boundaries. People thrive inside of boundaries,
Speaker 1: and when you take away those boundaries, um, they feel
Speaker 1: unstable and insecure, and uh, it really is, it really is. Uh.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, it's it's a disservice to people to
Speaker 1: say you can go do whatever you want, just you
Speaker 1: got the freedom to do whatever you want. When I
Speaker 1: don't do that for my own children because I love them,
Speaker 1: you know, I give them accurate boundaries and I say,
Speaker 1: here's your boundaries. Inside of those boundaries, knock yourself out,
Speaker 1: you know, do whatever you want to do, but here's
Speaker 1: what the safe line is. And that actually those boundaries
Speaker 1: form their identity. Exact identity isn't just what this is
Speaker 1: what we do and this is what you can do,
Speaker 1: but it's also this is who we are not. Identity
Speaker 1: is formed by both things. And Bingo is the name
Speaker 1: of that dog. Boundless, boundless, identity is no identity, so
Speaker 1: there are no bounds on your identity. You have no identity.
Speaker 1: And of course, as as humans, just depending on kind
Speaker 1: of languages use it, we're kind of we're totally messed up,
Speaker 1: and so we do identity and messed up ways, and
Speaker 1: we take those bounds and they're highly counterproductive. But the
Speaker 1: answer is not necessarily, well, let's remove all the bounds,
Speaker 1: because you have no being a parent and being a
Speaker 1: law enforcement supervisor and supervising multiple officers in the undercover
Speaker 1: capacity and later on as uniformed officers, and my children,
Speaker 1: that everybody operates when they know what the parameters are.
Speaker 1: And I know if you get if you get too
Speaker 1: far out of the left side, there's repercussions, if you
Speaker 1: get too far out of the right side, there's repercussions
Speaker 1: with that. But if they stay in those parameters in there,
Speaker 1: that's where they operate best, and that's where life is best.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's it's more structure. That kind of
Speaker 1: structure is really good. Here's my biggest takeaway from the
Speaker 1: exploration of this word, which in all honesty, I didn't
Speaker 1: know the answers to these questions that I said out
Speaker 1: to find like this wasn't some like, it wasn't some mastermind. No,
Speaker 1: I really like, you know, Ronnella made fun of me
Speaker 1: about saying acorn, and I you know, I've picked up
Speaker 1: now that that's a word that people kind of q
Speaker 1: in on, and so I was like, what's the deal. So,
Speaker 1: like everything I discovered on there, even talking to Dan
Speaker 1: was a discovery. And this is why I described it
Speaker 1: to him. It was almost spooky how familiar we were
Speaker 1: with what you said, Dan, just like like social groups
Speaker 1: and identification and safety and trust. It's like it's like
Speaker 1: you were describing to me and operating platform that I
Speaker 1: would have swore wasn't there because no one taught it
Speaker 1: to me quote unquote it it was never conscious but
Speaker 1: highly highly connected the saying everyone there's no escape from it.
Speaker 1: There there's nobody that doesn't identify in some way. But
Speaker 1: this is where I feel like the veil gets pulled
Speaker 1: back because like you talk about like these social groups
Speaker 1: that we connect to, and I mean, and I have
Speaker 1: no shame in saying like when I hear somebody say acor,
Speaker 1: and like I want to give my high five. Now
Speaker 1: that I'm old and realized there's a different. At first,
Speaker 1: I just thought normal people said that, um, but the
Speaker 1: that is an external identifier of people and they have
Speaker 1: stuff that they identify with that I do not. And
Speaker 1: by me identifying and having insight and awareness to my
Speaker 1: own self of what makes me feel comfortable and safe,
Speaker 1: I think that allows me to look into another person's
Speaker 1: culture who does something way different than me, and be like,
Speaker 1: I get it, Like to look into you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: and I can just say, like the opposite of rural
Speaker 1: culture would be urban culture, and like sometimes I would
Speaker 1: it could be confusing for someone in the inner city
Speaker 1: to look at rural culture and just be like, I
Speaker 1: don't get it. I just don't get it. I mean,
Speaker 1: you could take me, for example, like I grew up
Speaker 1: in a pretty big city, you know, hundred fifty thou
Speaker 1: um graduating class of seven hundred and coming into Arkansas.
Speaker 1: It's totally different than what than what I grew up on.
Speaker 1: And I think what you're describing is being able to
Speaker 1: see the value of people and being able to look
Speaker 1: at even though what they're doing is different, there is
Speaker 1: possibly something I can learn and that I can build
Speaker 1: and and and bring inside of my life. The only
Speaker 1: reason that I have a uh hunting license is because
Speaker 1: I watched you want to be on this podcasts you
Speaker 1: got your hunting license that just bought against you know,
Speaker 1: watching Josh and Clay, you know, go hunting with their sons,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm never going to be the type
Speaker 1: of guy that wants to sit in a tree stand
Speaker 1: all day. That's just not my life. I place in
Speaker 1: his hand. Yeah that might work. But like watching you
Speaker 1: all what you do with your kids through hunting, I
Speaker 1: saw it as an avenue that I can potentially build
Speaker 1: inside of my life. And so I think it's important
Speaker 1: that as you interact with people who might say things differently,
Speaker 1: who might do things differently, you have to look and see,
Speaker 1: like what can I value from their life? What can
Speaker 1: I take away that I can build inside of my
Speaker 1: my own culture, something that I and that that I
Speaker 1: think that's a beautiful thing. And I think we have
Speaker 1: to challenge ourself to do that consistently. It's a it's
Speaker 1: it's a it's a spiritual internal discipline to be able
Speaker 1: to like the passion with which I say acorn and
Speaker 1: you know, wear cowboy boots sometimes and have mules and
Speaker 1: like it kind of have this identity external though, it
Speaker 1: be like I can look into somebody else that's and
Speaker 1: be like, man, they're doing the exact same thing as me.
Speaker 1: There's there's food that they like, there's words that they like,
Speaker 1: There's there's smells that they like, there's literature that they're like,
Speaker 1: there's kinds of people that they like, and they're doing
Speaker 1: the exact same thing as me, and I can respect.
Speaker 1: I can respect that, you know. So really that so
Speaker 1: my intent was not that the Acorn podcast would drive
Speaker 1: us deeper into our social group. You've created intense division.
Speaker 1: Now you have taken another thing and you or was wrong.
Speaker 1: You have polarized this nation. Know, my intent is that
Speaker 1: awareness is going to bring again. Really, man, I've said
Speaker 1: and I said it again on on the on the
Speaker 1: fifty Years in the Back of Patch podcast with Mr Roy,
Speaker 1: is that, like, my intent is not to highlight that
Speaker 1: culture and say that it's like the l primo culture
Speaker 1: of anywhere. Man, I I pray that somebody else is.
Speaker 1: And I know they are are making media about other
Speaker 1: groups that I don't have insight into that with pure intentions.
Speaker 1: My intention is not to elevate these guys too. It's
Speaker 1: just they're they're valuable. Their culture is valuable. How boring
Speaker 1: would this place be if we were all the same? Yeah,
Speaker 1: telling about boring boring? Yeah, overall companies would do good.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I have stuck in it. It's the tension.
Speaker 1: And it's like the tension between I want I want
Speaker 1: to have my really tight knit social group that are
Speaker 1: are similar to me and the same as me, but
Speaker 1: I love different things and I don't want things to
Speaker 1: be bored, and so like it's this tension and we're
Speaker 1: not good at living in the tension between two things.
Speaker 1: We kind of oscillate from one extreme to the other. Well,
Speaker 1: this is what this is. The truth is that as
Speaker 1: humans as the most conscious beings on planet Earth. Did
Speaker 1: you say beings? Beings? I'm sorry, I just wanted to
Speaker 1: make conscious diverged. Did you say, mam or my the
Speaker 1: most conscious being on the Earth. We have the right
Speaker 1: to complexity, like challenge. I challenge myself to be complex
Speaker 1: Like I love my culture. I do. I love it.
Speaker 1: I love it. I don't want to be anything other
Speaker 1: than that. I like it. But there's a complexity that
Speaker 1: can be built inside of it, a layer that's like, man,
Speaker 1: I bet if I love my culture, I bet that
Speaker 1: guy loves his culture, and I bet he's not that
Speaker 1: much different than me, and I bet he's a good guy.
Speaker 1: And it's complex, it's it's like it's like a layer,
Speaker 1: a layer deeper of thinking that I think it's real
Speaker 1: hard for people, but it's it's not hard. It's not hard.
Speaker 1: And obviously, I mean, I'm not saying, you know, there
Speaker 1: there are bad people in the earth. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that we glorify them, but I'm saying as it pertains
Speaker 1: to culture, because our country really is and kind of
Speaker 1: like culture wars, you know, in a lot of different ways,
Speaker 1: because people are using these external identifiers, which is what
Speaker 1: you're talking about. Culture is an external thing. It's it's
Speaker 1: the things that you can see and hear. They're using
Speaker 1: these external definers to build silos between and to build
Speaker 1: draw lines between. And really what we should be what
Speaker 1: we should really care about, is the internal definers that
Speaker 1: people used to define themselves and to build their lives.
Speaker 1: And those are the things that matter the most. And
Speaker 1: you can talk to a guy from Appalachian, you can
Speaker 1: talk to a guy from a city, and they have
Speaker 1: two different external cultures and two different external definitions of identity,
Speaker 1: but they can also very much so live their lives
Speaker 1: by the same internal principles and build their homes by
Speaker 1: those same principles, and that those things are what makeup person. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, a desirable Hey, I wanna, I wanna, I
Speaker 1: want to. I want to spend the last little bit
Speaker 1: here talking about um the Appalachian Mountain Culture podcast because
Speaker 1: we're trying to get tied up. But Dan, I want
Speaker 1: to give you the floor one more time. Acorn podcast
Speaker 1: easily the star of the best one. Yeah. No, I
Speaker 1: I I think maybe like a mark of like a
Speaker 1: mark of maturity, will be able to know the bounds
Speaker 1: of your identity but see something that's different and can
Speaker 1: be able to celebrate. But it's so tricky because there are,
Speaker 1: like Misty said, highly negative ways of doing identity and
Speaker 1: going about it. That's a tough place to live this world. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: fifty years in the Backer Patch backer Field Impressions. So
Speaker 1: I listened to that podcast twice? Did you the first
Speaker 1: time I listened to it? I have to say now,
Speaker 1: mind you, that my I married a woman who whose
Speaker 1: family heritage goes to southeast Oklahoma, and uh they are
Speaker 1: rural country folk. My wife's grandmother got married at fourteen. Um.
Speaker 1: Her first two houses had dirt floors. When we were
Speaker 1: one night, we spent some time talking with her about
Speaker 1: about what her life was like when years ago, and
Speaker 1: we said, what was it like living through the depression
Speaker 1: and she said, well, we didn't know there was a
Speaker 1: depression until someone told us it was over. And uh,
Speaker 1: that was just their way of life and so um.
Speaker 1: Even having spent a lot of time around my wife's
Speaker 1: family there, I I did not understand what Roy Clark
Speaker 1: said until the It was almost like I got fed
Speaker 1: the the rubery of how to translate it the first
Speaker 1: time I listened to it, because the second time I
Speaker 1: listened to it, I understood every word he said. Really,
Speaker 1: you had a hard time The first time I listened
Speaker 1: to it, I was and I was doing some work
Speaker 1: while I was listening to it, But it was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what that what that whole string of
Speaker 1: words was. But the second time, it was like I
Speaker 1: caught every single syllable that he said. So I thought
Speaker 1: that was very interesting, just that that culture of speak,
Speaker 1: that dialect almost um, he he has this the most
Speaker 1: unique dialect that I've heard over there. It's interesting amongst
Speaker 1: even families. So he's got an accent within that accent, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm not I mean, anybody you talked over there
Speaker 1: would have a very strong accent to the average year.
Speaker 1: But Mr Roy's like, I would actually like to get
Speaker 1: somebody that, like a language specialists to like dissect some
Speaker 1: of the things he says, because it's just so unique.
Speaker 1: But now a lot of the things that I left in.
Speaker 1: Mr Roy talks for about fifteen minutes. He was just
Speaker 1: talking about his life, I mean, like selling tomatoes and tobacco,
Speaker 1: and I just wanted I just wanted them to hear
Speaker 1: him talk. And then he did tell some pretty wild
Speaker 1: stuff about they had a live bear. That was pretty wild.
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you guys. So I met Mr Roy
Speaker 1: through bear hunting, Like I went and I bear hunted
Speaker 1: with him and for three days and we made a
Speaker 1: film that's that did really really cool film on YouTube.
Speaker 1: It's called Best Bear Hunt. I think it's it's on
Speaker 1: the Bear Hunting Magazine YouTube channel. I think it's titled
Speaker 1: the Best bear Hunt beare Hound Hunting Film of all
Speaker 1: Time or something I was trying to do. But it
Speaker 1: turns out that it was. Oh, it was incredible films.
Speaker 1: So that's how I met Mr Roy. And man, let
Speaker 1: me tell you something. You don't just walk into East
Speaker 1: Tennessee and people just open their doors to you. They're
Speaker 1: just like anywhere, like there there. They never asked for attention.
Speaker 1: They didn't invite me to come to them. I when
Speaker 1: I first met Mr Roy, they wouldn't even give me
Speaker 1: his phone number. I had to go through somebody to
Speaker 1: get to Mr Roy. I communicated multiple times someone. So
Speaker 1: over the years, I've developed a relationship with Mr Roy.
Speaker 1: And I mean, he he he just has a way
Speaker 1: about him and it's hard to describe and you can't
Speaker 1: replicate it. Like you couldn't. I can't watch him and
Speaker 1: do what he does and me be like this. But
Speaker 1: he is like when you watch him interact with his family,
Speaker 1: when you watch him interact with you, you feel like
Speaker 1: you're the guy's best friend in the world. And here's
Speaker 1: here's the best example that I've many times. Several times
Speaker 1: I've stayed with them all day and ended up driving
Speaker 1: home through the night. So we might have hunted all day,
Speaker 1: and then once they got dark and we skinned a bear,
Speaker 1: I was like, fellas, I'm out of here, and had
Speaker 1: a twelve hour drive home. Mr Royle called me at
Speaker 1: two in the morning. Why you're doing alright, buddy? Making
Speaker 1: sure you use a weight. I just woke up. I
Speaker 1: was thinking about you staying away. I mean, just call
Speaker 1: me when you get home. I mean, little stuff like that,
Speaker 1: just normal. But it's like, uh, he makes everybody feel welcome.
Speaker 1: I can't tell you, like, uh, my mom, my mom
Speaker 1: is you know, she's known as the Queen of hospitality.
Speaker 1: And I watched people as a child that would come
Speaker 1: in contact with our family and the way that my
Speaker 1: mom would care for people and take care of them
Speaker 1: and do things that she know they would prefer. And
Speaker 1: as i've you know, as I was growing up, as
Speaker 1: I became become an adult, there's something very special inside
Speaker 1: of a culture that makes people feel valued. I was
Speaker 1: talking with my daughter the other night, and it's it's
Speaker 1: more than just making people feel comfortable around you. There
Speaker 1: is something lacking in the world that makes people at
Speaker 1: an internal level feel valued. And like Misty was talking
Speaker 1: about just a minute ago, because I don't care what
Speaker 1: you do. What you do doesn't define you. Who you
Speaker 1: are is what defines you. And when when you come
Speaker 1: in contact with someone who sees the value in you
Speaker 1: and cares enough to call you in the middle of
Speaker 1: the night. That's a pretty special thing. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: something that that's that's unique and rare and and and
Speaker 1: honestly quite quite beautiful. I mean, it's amazing what that does.
Speaker 1: And I think I think just just listening to that
Speaker 1: podcast and here and you talk about their family, it's
Speaker 1: like something that they've that they have uh cultivated inside
Speaker 1: of their little clan, and when you were able to
Speaker 1: come in contact with it, he realized the special thing
Speaker 1: they have. Yeah, the other thing that I wanted to
Speaker 1: bring up was what did you think about Britt Davis?
Speaker 1: Mr Brett Davis? Seven minute that seven minute interview. Pretty
Speaker 1: amazing he was when he bought his dad died, he
Speaker 1: was thirteen years old and grew a crop of tobacco
Speaker 1: and the farm that he lives on to this day.
Speaker 1: Literally And that's a heck of a mantel to put
Speaker 1: on a twelve year old kid. Yeah, they didn't. It
Speaker 1: wasn't like somebody said, hey, Clay asked Mr Britt about
Speaker 1: how he got his house that, because they would have
Speaker 1: done that, because they did that about a couple other things.
Speaker 1: They were like, Hey, asked him about this or that? Well,
Speaker 1: they told me to ask him about how the doct or.
Speaker 1: I talked about how the doctor in the community went
Speaker 1: around they put a white flag on their mailbox, and
Speaker 1: nobody asked me to It was just it was just
Speaker 1: normal and what was really neat from a like an
Speaker 1: interview journalistic standpoint. I did not come there to interview
Speaker 1: Mr Britt. Mr Britt is always there. He says very little,
Speaker 1: and I really wasn't sure how he would respond to me,
Speaker 1: like putting him on the spot, And so I got
Speaker 1: done interview in Mr Roy. And Roy is constantly trying
Speaker 1: to bring other people in for real, like if you're
Speaker 1: hunting with hounds, he's wanting you to put your dog
Speaker 1: out on the track. And he said, hey, you need
Speaker 1: to get you need to get bred over here, Brett,
Speaker 1: come over where, come over where down and they put
Speaker 1: the headset on Mr Britt. And I wasn't prepared to
Speaker 1: interview Mr Britt, And I think that's what made it
Speaker 1: so good because I just asked him. I was just like,
Speaker 1: what are your first memories? And you know he's and
Speaker 1: and and he just started talking and and yeah, and
Speaker 1: that surprised me. That was pretty emotionally listening to it.
Speaker 1: That surprised me because I ran into you know that
Speaker 1: his father had died, and I don't know, you just
Speaker 1: said you just have I did learn something. You have
Speaker 1: this sense that like a ninety year old man, like
Speaker 1: you could just ask him outright about his dad. That
Speaker 1: was my sense, and I hope it didn't come across
Speaker 1: as brash. I actually take out some of the spaces,
Speaker 1: like sometimes there's in normal communication will be a pause
Speaker 1: for emphasis on burgharas because we're trying to make it efficient.
Speaker 1: I take out a lot of stuff. So it sounded
Speaker 1: like I just was like, how'd your dad? How did
Speaker 1: you handle that? But really that was kind of some
Speaker 1: a little bit more thought in it. But uh but well,
Speaker 1: I know, as I was listening to it, I didn't
Speaker 1: want to feel rude the way it came with ross
Speaker 1: because because I said, how did it affect you when
Speaker 1: your dad died? And he he didn't say anything for
Speaker 1: probably four or five seconds. Yeah, yeah, you know, and
Speaker 1: that was he's ninety, he'll be nine. Well he's ninety now,
Speaker 1: he said. If I lift out June twod because we
Speaker 1: recorded it before then seventy eight years ago and he's
Speaker 1: still you know, I'm the same way and my dad's
Speaker 1: been gone ten years now, eleven years now. But his
Speaker 1: reaction to that was just like mine would have been
Speaker 1: six years ago or right after it happened. It's still,
Speaker 1: you know, a deep emotional effect that has guided him
Speaker 1: to where he sat from that day to where he's
Speaker 1: sitting right now. That was, you know what, one of
Speaker 1: the things that got him to where he is. So
Speaker 1: Mr Britt trunted with him every single day this year. Really.
Speaker 1: He drives a little Suzuki sidekick, a little four wheel
Speaker 1: drive and he he just rides around listen to the bear.
Speaker 1: You know, the guys have their trucks and they they
Speaker 1: the guys that are hunting or you know, it's a hustle.
Speaker 1: They're trying to cut off dog races, and it's just
Speaker 1: like it's pretty cool. Mr Britt stays on the radio
Speaker 1: and knows that country and and you know here he'll
Speaker 1: hear him say, man, the dogs are headed to cow
Speaker 1: Pin Pass. Well, he'll get in his Suzuki and head
Speaker 1: over there, and you get out and listen to the dogs.
Speaker 1: And he I'm pretty sure he told me he hunted
Speaker 1: every day with him this year that they hunted. So
Speaker 1: the Tennessee season has like you know, see three of
Speaker 1: three different seasons that are you know, however along but
Speaker 1: pretty pretty unique. Um I thought, so, part two of
Speaker 1: the podcast is gonna be about moonshine, Nascar, and bear hunting.
Speaker 1: It was all supposed to be in one podcast, and
Speaker 1: when I got diving into it, it was just too much.
Speaker 1: I really want to dive into moons shine because moonshine
Speaker 1: was it's handled. Listen, I'll forecast to you what's gonna
Speaker 1: happen on this Like people talk about moonshine hard liquor
Speaker 1: as if it's like candy. I mean, like even when
Speaker 1: you're in that country, like you see it on billboards
Speaker 1: and it's just this like playful thing, like, oh, moonshine. Well, Man,
Speaker 1: moonshine ruined a lot of families. I had a guy
Speaker 1: over there who didn't want to be on the podcast.
Speaker 1: I kind of tried to get him on and he
Speaker 1: decided he didn't want to be. But you know, he
Speaker 1: he told me, he said, man moonshine was like the
Speaker 1: meth dealers of that time. It ruined families. It and
Speaker 1: and so and that's one, like pretty dramatic extreme. But
Speaker 1: the other extreme is that that, yeah, moonshine, no big deal.
Speaker 1: And you heard what Mr Roy said. I gave you
Speaker 1: just a snippet as he said, I said, what do
Speaker 1: you think about liquor? And he said, I don't want
Speaker 1: anything to do with it? And he was real upfront
Speaker 1: and he wouldn't have said it if he didn't want,
Speaker 1: you know, he didn't. He just said it because it
Speaker 1: was true. He said, he said, some of my family
Speaker 1: stayed drunk their whole life, and I wasn't gonna be
Speaker 1: that way. That is why I like Mr Roy. I mean,
Speaker 1: nobody's perfect, but that kind of character was just like
Speaker 1: I made a decision when I was a kid, ain't
Speaker 1: gonna be like these guys. I'm not gonna have somebody
Speaker 1: take you have to take care of me. And then
Speaker 1: he and that type of character has only found when
Speaker 1: you go deeper. Right, you think about that region in
Speaker 1: that country. I think here, you immediately have ideas and
Speaker 1: thoughts of who they are. And you know, I bet
Speaker 1: if you pulled if you listen to that podcast up
Speaker 1: until that point, and you pulled a hundred people and
Speaker 1: you said, does this guy drink moonshine? Oh yeah, well
Speaker 1: how many would have said, yes, he does yeah, And
Speaker 1: then he was like, no, sir, I ain't touching this,
Speaker 1: very adamant about it. Now I'll confess, who are you drunk?
Speaker 1: When he was talking about those ferment and peaches in
Speaker 1: that barrel, yeah, I was thinking, now, how would it
Speaker 1: be bad to walk by there with a coffee cup
Speaker 1: kind of maybe take a dip out of that. I
Speaker 1: thought about that on the way up here, but that
Speaker 1: did come through your mind. Here's the Here's the cool
Speaker 1: part is that I go in quite quite a bit
Speaker 1: of depth with Dr Dan Pierce about moonshine, and when
Speaker 1: you hear the whole context, it makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: I mean, he talks about the Scots Irish culture. He
Speaker 1: talks about how they came here before they were laws
Speaker 1: regarding liquor, and then how the government came in and
Speaker 1: made laws that basically took the legs out. And basically
Speaker 1: when you see the whole thing, it kind of makes
Speaker 1: sense and you kind of get it, and you realize
Speaker 1: that maybe all these people weren't just bad peep and
Speaker 1: they certainly were not all drunks. I mean, like there
Speaker 1: there's there's many ways to look at it, but I
Speaker 1: feel like in this next podcast, we're gonna get a
Speaker 1: balanced look at it that doesn't glorify it, but also
Speaker 1: just just shows why it was there, you know, this
Speaker 1: artifact of these people being who they were, so it's
Speaker 1: very interesting. And then uh, Nascar is a big part
Speaker 1: of that. And then Roy Clark. I mean, like most
Speaker 1: of what we talked about in the interview was bear hunting,
Speaker 1: and so we're gonna dive into that a bunch more
Speaker 1: and there's a couple of other guests, and so part
Speaker 1: two will be it won't be me, folks, still not Josh,
Speaker 1: you're an Appalachian expert. Though, Hey, what about the music epic?
Speaker 1: It was pretty epic. I love how you can hear
Speaker 1: everybody in the background like, oh, like they're pulling everything
Speaker 1: together many room. Oh, I don't know. Yeah, yeah, we
Speaker 1: were the only people that weren't. There was a neighbor,
Speaker 1: a couple of neighbors they kind of take care of,
Speaker 1: you know, you get lumped into family. Yeah, there'll be
Speaker 1: some more music on the next podcast. But what do
Speaker 1: you think about old a belt Reid? Oh? Wow, that
Speaker 1: is a that's a treasure but that cool. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I wanted to show her. You know, she like obviously
Speaker 1: none of us knew her anything, but she was a
Speaker 1: iconic Appalachian woman and banjo player, songwriter, and I called
Speaker 1: her a philosopher because she kind of was. Do you
Speaker 1: know when that recording was from nineteen seventy three, what
Speaker 1: what I mean? The stuff she was saying was just
Speaker 1: like how aproposed to today? You know? She was. She
Speaker 1: was very balanced and she there's quite a bit of
Speaker 1: recordings of her talking and I loved how she said
Speaker 1: She's she's not trying to go backwards. In other places
Speaker 1: in her speech, She's like, I'm not I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that we need to go back to these times. And
Speaker 1: that's how I ended the podcast, as I said, I
Speaker 1: am not. I hope people don't get the idea that
Speaker 1: like I am like lustfully looking back at the past
Speaker 1: wanting to go back, because that is not true. The
Speaker 1: only way to progress is to me, we gotta find
Speaker 1: ways to be relevant today, and that is my goal. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that that's even part of the bear grease,
Speaker 1: is that you're acknowledging the good and you're taking the
Speaker 1: good from these ancient things, but you're combining them together
Speaker 1: with progression, movement, forward advance. How did you think I
Speaker 1: ended the podcast? Ms nkem? Would you have done it
Speaker 1: any different? Always? Mr? Or Gary? This is like I
Speaker 1: give it a strong I'll give it. I think Gary
Speaker 1: gave to three right five stars my favorite podcast. No,
Speaker 1: I uh. I also want to say, as we close
Speaker 1: here and we're about we are about to close, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get out of the South at some point. Like
Speaker 1: almost all the podcasts have been I know, dance all right, man,
Speaker 1: All the podcasts have been Southern focused. And honestly that
Speaker 1: was for No. That wasn't really strategy. I mean people
Speaker 1: have been like, oh meetings trying to get into the South.
Speaker 1: I mean, if that was their plan, they didn't tell me,
Speaker 1: and they and I could have done anything, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean inside the boundaries of what they asked me
Speaker 1: to do before they send you abroad or are they
Speaker 1: gonna are you gonna have some tutorials or workshops on
Speaker 1: how to an You know, Davis only made one trip
Speaker 1: out of Appalachia's whole life to see go to Texas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's about like me. You spent a lot of time
Speaker 1: in Canada, foreign country. Yeah. Um no, I just want
Speaker 1: to say that for people. I've had a few people
Speaker 1: be like, oh, you gotta get it, you know, just
Speaker 1: like is this all this is gonna be? But I
Speaker 1: tell you what, I've got as much feedback, positive feedback
Speaker 1: from non Southern people as anything. We are going to
Speaker 1: get out of get out of the South and do
Speaker 1: some different things, and all the negative feedback is from
Speaker 1: people at North. Yeah. It's gonna basically be us critiquing culture.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be me and Brent going around critiquing everyone else.
Speaker 1: No sense, what do you think? Uh No, really, thank
Speaker 1: you guys for coming the Bargary surrender, ton of fun,
Speaker 1: Thank you guys. Beautiful cowbell, Dan, beautiful percussion, Brent good,
Speaker 1: good job on the washboard, everything, um, and then leave us,
Speaker 1: leave us a review on iTunes. Man, I mean, just
Speaker 1: tell us the true woman. I mean, man, when I
Speaker 1: say that, I mean when you leave the South. This
Speaker 1: is this needs to be in the work show. Hey,
Speaker 1: this is what I was going to end on. And
Speaker 1: I'm not like, maybe I am trying to bring this up.
Speaker 1: But Joe Rogan, did you hear the compliment he mustache?
Speaker 1: Josh I did, and I was like, it was like,
Speaker 1: I'm so proud. I can't waiting for him to give
Speaker 1: you credit. That just the way we should ask, though.
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan is probably an urban dweller. How many mustaches
Speaker 1: is he exposed to? Hipsters have mustaches? Like crazy? Oh,
Speaker 1: getting the stink eye from Dan, Yeah, that came out
Speaker 1: of left field for me. Hey, hey, if if anybody
Speaker 1: from the Beargrease world doesn't know, check out the uh
Speaker 1: whatever episode it was on. I was on Joe Rogan.
Speaker 1: That was pretty cool. Pick it up. Check it up.
Speaker 1: Everyone in this room is totally unimpressed. They've never heard
Speaker 1: of Joe Rogan. Probably none of you have. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: was a lot of confusion in my family. It's kind
Speaker 1: of a big down when you tell your dad, Hey, dad,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be on Joe Rogan and he's like, who she? Well,
Speaker 1: my son Hunter he was. He was very impressed. He's
Speaker 1: still impressed. He called me and talked to me about
Speaker 1: it today. Now that guy's what I thought that Clay
Speaker 1: was gonna I don't know the chain of events, but
Speaker 1: thought Clay was gonna do carpool karaoke. We just did that.
Speaker 1: What happened, Well, Hey, I really liked the live music
Speaker 1: addition to the Beargrease podcast. You may hear more of
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff in the future. Take us home,
Speaker 1: click Hi on the mountaintop. Who all right? Keep the
Speaker 1: wild places wild, because that's where the bears live and
Speaker 1: that's where we get beared greasy. High on the mountaintop.
Speaker 1: Tell me what you see. Bear tracks, bear tracks looking back,
Speaker 1: Get misty,