1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, my name is Clay and Nukeleman. This is a 2 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: production of the bear Grease podcast called the bear Grease Render, 3 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: where we render down, dive deeper, and looked behind the 4 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast. This is all 5 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: pretty new, so I wanted to restate what we're doing. 6 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: You're listening to the bear Grease podcast, which is a 7 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 1: documentary style podcast about people who lived their lives close 8 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: to the land. Every two weeks we produced such a 9 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: podcast and it includes multiple interviews stitched together to form 10 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: a robust story. On the off weeks, we released the 11 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: bear Grease Render and that's what this episode is. Render 12 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 1: is a metaphor for taking solid bear fat and rendering 13 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: it down into a liquid. This is where myself, along 14 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 1: with a group of folks distill and dissect the previous 15 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: documentary style episodes. It's bear Grease unplugged, So get ready 16 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: for some fun on this one. All right, welcome to 17 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: the bear Grease Render. We're singing this song in honor 18 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: of the Clark family over in East Tennessee. Mr Roy 19 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: was on fifty years in the Factor Field podcast. This 20 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 1: song is called Old slew Foot. We got Missy Nukem 21 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: on the banjo, Brent Reeves on the washboard, Josh Spellmaker 22 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: on the guitar, Daniel Ruf on the cowbell baculum, and 23 00:01:55,480 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: Mr Melcott Nichols on percussion. High on the mountain top, 24 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: Tell me what you see, bear tracks, bear tracks looking 25 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: back at me. You may get your rifles, boss, before 26 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: it's too late. Bears got a little big, and he's 27 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: hated for the game. Oh he's being around the middle, 28 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: and he's grown across the front, running ninety miles an hour, 29 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: taking thirty feet and jump. He ain't never been caught, 30 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: he ain't never been tre Some folks say he's a 31 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: lot like me. WHOA, I thought you're gonna sing with me? 32 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: Josh Mry saved up for money, and she bought her 33 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: some bees, started making honey away up in the trees. 34 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: She cut down and trees. But the honey's all gone. 35 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: Old slue foot done. Ain't himself at home. Always big 36 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: around the middle, and he's trought across the front, running 37 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: ninety miles. Now we're taking thirty feet and jumping. He 38 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: ain't never been called, he ain't never been treating. Some 39 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: folks saved he's a lot like me, all right, winners, 40 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: coming boys winnowers coming at its sporty be low rivers, 41 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: froze over. So where can he go? We'll rot him 42 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: up the holler and we'll put him in a well, 43 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: shoot him in the bottom, just to listen to him here. 44 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: Everybody always big around the middle. And he's roight across 45 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: the run, running ninety miles an hour. Take can thirty 46 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: feet a jump. He ain't never been called, he ain't 47 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: never been treated, ain't had nobody after him like me? 48 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: Whoa it's ever been cold? He ain't never been trained, 49 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 1: he ain't never been caught. I can't I got can 50 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: I can do a little Redlyn Hey, Welcome to the 51 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: Bear Grease Surrender Podcast. The bear Grease Render. This is 52 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: the second. This is the second Bear Grease Surrender And 53 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: for those of you who might be new to this, 54 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:51,239 Speaker 1: here a little show. The bear Grease Surrender is where 55 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: we render down and distill the documentary style podcasts that 56 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 1: are the bear Grease Podcast. So the bear and because 57 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: this is new, we gotta explain, don't you think, Dr Dan, 58 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 1: I feel good about it. So the every every week 59 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: the Bargrease Podcast is a documentary style narrative storytelling podcast 60 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: where we explore culture, where we explore all kinds of 61 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 1: interesting fun stuff. Right. The Beargrease Render is where me 62 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: and my merry group of men and one lady who 63 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 1: I will be introducing soon these podcasts. So we've had 64 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: two podcasts that we're gonna talk about. But before we 65 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: do that, I've got to give proper introductions. Okay, Um, 66 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: last time you guys would have met Brent Reeves, who 67 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: is Uh did you guys know that Brent Reeves was 68 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 1: an undercover narcotics agent for many many years. He looks 69 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: he looks like my man crush on you, just like quadrupled. 70 00:05:54,320 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: Brent Reeves is my spirit animal. What that is actually 71 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 1: equates to is that he is a professional liar. True. 72 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: This goes back to my panther story. True story. When 73 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 1: I first met Brent, I was like, I wasn't think 74 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 1: I was. I was sort of joking, but I was 75 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: sort of serious. I felt like he may have been 76 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: working under cover for like the Arkansas Game and Fish 77 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: Commission to try to infiltrate and bust me. And I 78 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: was like, dude, I got nothing to hide. That's what 79 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: everybody says. That's what everybody says. But Now, had you 80 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 1: actually thought I was an undercover cop, I would have 81 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: been really bad at it. Well, see, I thought that 82 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: was the genius of it. You come in and you're like, man, 83 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: I used to be an undercover in narcotics agent. And 84 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 1: then I would be like, well he just told me 85 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: a stick. You see what I'm saying, And now I'm 86 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 1: a full time Game of Fish agent. And then we 87 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: have Josh Spillmaker. Welcome Josh. So Josh is just my 88 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: longtime buddy. UM got lots of funny stories about you, 89 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: but I couldn't really some of them can't be repeated. 90 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: But between you, we've also got Dr Daniel Roupe here. 91 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: Dan is a Highlight guest today because he was on 92 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: the Acorn podcast. He was the feature academic guest on 93 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: the podcast Searching for Acorns and uh, man, I thought 94 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: you did a phenomenal job. And we'll get we'll get 95 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: into that later. Unpaid. You feel discriminated against because you 96 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: say acorn? I do do you say acory? I think 97 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: it's interchangeable, probably the code switching cod switching son of 98 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: a gun. What you say is a pledge of allegiance 99 00:07:54,840 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: interchangeable exactly. No, Hey, did you guys know. Did you 100 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: guys know Daniel Rupe speaks fluent Mandarin Chennese. Do you 101 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: know my wife minor Dian Mandarin? I did not, she 102 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: can't speak all. Damn. Here's my here's my question for you. 103 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: How do you say bear grease and Mandarin Chinese bear 104 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: grease would be show ma. That's actually panda Yeah, talking 105 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: about taking it up a notch clay, and I see 106 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: one of those mounted in here. I think that's panda 107 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 1: oil would be the dynamic equivalent. Wow. Now, just like 108 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: in like a very short snippet, talk to me about 109 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: tonal languages. So I was mesmerized in one time at 110 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 1: a bear camp around the fire? Are you talking about 111 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: tony language? Guaranteed to mesmerize everybody. But you can have 112 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: like the same like m a ma, or like we 113 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: would say mama, that same word ma, ma ma. They're 114 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: four different tones, and each one means a totally different thing. 115 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: So one is horse, one is immediately, one is tumor, 116 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 1: one is you know. And the crazy, most frustrating thing 117 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: is there seems to be very little cooperation in context. 118 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: If you're talking with a person who's fluent in Chinese 119 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,839 Speaker 1: and you accidentally use the wrong term tone, which is 120 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: like me every five seconds and you're you're saying, hey, 121 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: you know I like that immediately, I'm sorry you have 122 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: a tumor. Know I wanted immediate. You have a really 123 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: large I'm not talking about tumors. It's very So they 124 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: repeat back what she said, like almost to show you that, 125 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: because it's important to get their language right. Well, it's 126 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: like there's a different word for everything in that. Well, 127 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: no tonal language, man, that's like, we don't have tonal 128 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: like other tonal languages. Yes, there are Arabic tone. I 129 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: don't know the answer to that. Yeah, we used tone 130 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: all the time, but it's like to communicate emotion or 131 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: a question. I kind of at the end of the sentence, 132 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: you'll go up. But they used tone means meaning, and 133 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: then hey, speaking of tonal languages. This the most fascinating thing. 134 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: And I'm not getting ahead of myself. We're still in 135 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: introductions because there's still two guests yet to introduce. But 136 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: I want to bring this up. This book Southern Mountain 137 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: Speech by Cratis williams if in the most intriguing thing 138 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: about fifty years in the Backer Field with Mr Roy Clark, 139 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: is his accent, Like I just like hearing the man talk. 140 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: And this book talks about how mountain people sometimes well 141 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: they use that well I was going down through there 142 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:59,479 Speaker 1: to really emphasize and they elongate the endings of sentences 143 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: and bring him way up. And Mr Roy does that 144 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: all the time. Are we talking about the podcast? We're not. 145 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: We're still in introductions, Josh. I'd like to just say, 146 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: Eric is not a tonal language. Googled it. Okay, Okay, 147 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: So we're going to come back to this because I 148 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: want to. I want to talk about the reasons why 149 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: the content that is in that podcast is in it. Okay. 150 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: So to directly to my left, Dr Maliki Nichols, how 151 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: are your brother? What do you think of that music? 152 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: It was? It was nice, It's nice live. I don't 153 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: think I would drive home listening to it. It okay, 154 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: that's to say it. But you were a part of 155 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: the band I was, I was representing Percussions. Yes, yes, 156 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: would I've been invited back next week? I don't know 157 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: you were able to listen to the podcast. So I 158 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: know you've got some meati stuff to say. Some media. 159 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: So some acorn meat, specific acorn meat that was actually 160 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: a phrase he just showed us. Yet we'll get their introductions. 161 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,079 Speaker 1: To my to my to my right is our guest 162 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: of honor. This is my wife, Mr Newcom, who all 163 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: you guys know, but Misty, Misty is for many reasons 164 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: qualified to be here. But she's been on the Beargrease podcast. 165 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: We've said a couple of times the only person that's 166 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: really not qualified to be here is Josh. He hasn't 167 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,439 Speaker 1: been on that actual Beargrease podcast, but everybody else has. 168 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: But Misty was on Death of a Bear Hunter has 169 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: been one of the probably the most talked about of 170 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: the podcast to date. Probably my specific contributions, it was 171 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:51,559 Speaker 1: Misty went with me at the end. Do you guys 172 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: remember we were down into where we believe Erskine's grave 173 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: to be and we've got some commentary. So Missy, how 174 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: are you? I'm good? Thanks for asking, nice spanned your work. 175 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: Thank you, you're glad to be here. I'm very glad 176 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,079 Speaker 1: to be here. Mr Sporting her Farm Boots. Yeah. I 177 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 1: want to say too that my dad, Gary Newcomb, was 178 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: unable to come today. He loves coming up here. And 179 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 1: uh a lady that was years old, that was quite 180 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: influential in his career, passed away in the funeralists today 181 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:30,079 Speaker 1: and he couldn't get around that coming, so he went 182 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: to that funeral. So well, no, it's a celebration, man, celebration. Golly, 183 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: if you have ninety eight years old and people want 184 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: to come to your funeral, you probably are doing pretty good. 185 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: So get But hey, Gary Newcomb, there is like rumor 186 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: on the internet of like a Gary Newcomb fan club 187 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: people multiple Panthers. I think it's called the Black Panthers, 188 00:13:55,200 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: the Black Panther Believers. Yeah, yeah, no, so uh, there's 189 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 1: a couple of things I want to bring up that 190 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: some some feedback that I got, Okay, and I want 191 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: you guys to chime in with your commentary, so you know, 192 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: on the Acorn podcast, and that's what we'll talk about first. Okay, 193 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: we're gonna get to a point where we don't have 194 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: multiple episodes to discuss in every Burger Surrender. This one 195 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: we have to last Burger Surrender. We had a bunch more, 196 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: but I had some guys hit me pretty hard for 197 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: the way I think I was one of these people. 198 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: Well tell me what you were going to say. I 199 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: have no problem with your use of the whether you 200 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: choose to to say acorn or acorn makes no difference 201 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: to me. What I do have a problem with is 202 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: the way you pronounce pronunciation. I didn't know that was 203 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: a word. I always thought it was pronunciation like it 204 00:14:54,080 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: was spelled. But apparently there's a how do you pronounce? Uh? Okay? 205 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: Every people, many many people were like Clay great podcast say, 206 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: pronunciation is totally wrong. I never even you didn't hear it. Pronunciation. 207 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: Do you realize, yes, you say pronunciation, it's pronunciation. Pronunciation 208 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: just a few miles south of him and we said pronunciation, 209 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: I mean said pronunciation. Well, I know it's fair game, 210 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: Like that's exactly the kind of feedback I need. I 211 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: think I'm not going to change. Dr Danna Roupe can 212 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: work with you on you would say pronunciation, I would. 213 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: I guess I'm wrong. The way that I think about 214 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: it is I don't I've never pronounced a word, and 215 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: you know, I've been worried about the way I pronounced 216 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: a word until now that I have to say pronunciation. 217 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: Did you say you see where I'm going with us? Yeah? 218 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: I thought you had a mini stroke because that that 219 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: was one thing, that was one thing that came up um, hey, 220 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: the people came out in droves to to leave reviews 221 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: on iTunes for us, which is awesome and we we 222 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: we I mean like I don't know, sometimes like you 223 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: just want to do somebody a favor just for no 224 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: good reason and uh and it's it's helped us and 225 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: uh overwhelmingly like positive reviews. A couple, a couple not 226 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: so positive. Did anybody stand up for me not having 227 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: been on the Bargaries podcast? Yet nobody was worried about that. 228 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: We think it's a silent majority. Yeah. Yeah, So to 229 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: find those bad reviews, you'll have to go through and 230 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: read all the other reviews. So you're not gonna read 231 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: on well I thought about given I thinks too much 232 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 1: credit to the bad guys, and people are gonna be like, well, 233 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: let's leave a bad review. What happens if you read 234 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 1: one and somebody's like, oh yeah, I never thought let me. 235 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: So thanks to everybody that's listening that gave us iTunes reviews. 236 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: That was really great Acron podcast. A guy sent me 237 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: A guy from Amador, California sent me a private message 238 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: on Instagram about this first nation tribe called the me 239 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 1: Walks m I W O K S and there's this 240 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: big and I believe it's sandstone. I'm not sure the 241 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: type of rock that it is, but it's in this 242 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 1: area that they used to camp and whatnot. And a 243 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 1: lot of the Indians in California they they there's several 244 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: tribes that milled acrons into flour and made bread. And 245 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: so there's this rock, this big rock that's about as 246 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: big as the the building here that we're in. And 247 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 1: there were holes divots in the rock where they had 248 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 1: ground acron flower for you know, presumably thousands of years. 249 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: And so he he wanted to show me that. And 250 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: there's an incredible video that was made in the nineteen 251 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 1: thirties about making acron bread and it was you could 252 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 1: tell it was like a real deal um Native American 253 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: lady and it was in California. I'm not sure if 254 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 1: she was one of the Mewalks, but there's a there's 255 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: a video making uh bread from acrons. I think it's 256 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: on YouTube. But this guy said his friends, one of 257 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: his friends is a me Walk and he told his 258 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: me Walk good friend about the acron podcast and he said, hey, 259 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: this guy made his podcast about acrons. This is what 260 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: his his friend said to him. He said. He said, well, 261 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: he said, I told my mewalk buddy about your podcast, 262 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: and he said, thank god, I don't have to eat 263 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: my uncle's acorn soup again. I thought that was funny. 264 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: Do you think it's pretty funny? I mean, acorn podcast 265 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,199 Speaker 1: searching for Acorns? What do you think, Malo? What do 266 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: you think? Man? I? First of all, I've never heard 267 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: you say acorn like acorn. I couldn't even get it 268 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: out of my mouth. You haven't heard me say acre 269 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: and you hadn't been listening, man, I've it's it's acorn. 270 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: I just I was raised on acorn from Texas um 271 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: and it's always been I've always heard it and pronounced it. 272 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: Now now they can't even talk acorn. And I just 273 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: thought it was so you. So you're like listening to 274 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: that content like this would have been something totally new 275 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: to you. You didn't even know there was a big issue. Yeah, 276 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 1: I had no idea it was a big issue, right. 277 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 1: I've was an adult when I realized it was a 278 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: big issue, and I had actually, you know, and this 279 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: is a conversation for another day, but I had been 280 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: a little embarrassed about how my family was treated when 281 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: they would talk in public up north, and so I 282 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: had put a lot of effort into changing my accent 283 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: when I was younger, so that people wentn't like snicker 284 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 1: when I spoke. When I met her, she was sixteen 285 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: years old, and the first conversation I had with her, 286 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: I said, you're not from around here, really, and she said, yes, 287 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: I am. And I said, really, where are you from? 288 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: And she's you know, she told me the town, which 289 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: is like five miles away. Was like, you're from there, 290 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: like not, you didn't move there? And it was because 291 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: code switching, code switching. And I went to drove by 292 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: the school district with your wife, Christie, Christie Spillmaker, and 293 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: I said, that's where Clay's mom works. That's Acron school district. 294 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: And I had put all this effort into changing how 295 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 1: I spoke. And she said, what did you just say? 296 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: And I said akorn and she said, oh, that's funny. 297 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: I thought that that was like the the thing that 298 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: grew into oaks. I thought that was how it was spelled. 299 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: And I said, what are you talking about. I had 300 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: no idea that there was any I would have attempted 301 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: to change the way I said it. At that point 302 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: in my life. And Christie kept saying, are you saying acorn? 303 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, acorn and and it was kind 304 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: of like when you talk to a kid who thinks 305 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: they're saying it the right way. Like my niece would 306 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 1: say two deets and we would say, you say, she 307 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 1: meant cooties. Anyways, we'd go back and forth, but Christine, 308 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: I went back and forth and we could never figure 309 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 1: out that. And it was a shock to me that 310 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: that you were an adult before you realize And so 311 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 1: what was the impact Maliki of like if you didn't 312 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 1: know there was this thing going on? Like was it 313 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: was it? What? What you what? Because you would be 314 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: in the like so it's you know, yeah, I think 315 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: you know. My general takeaway is that there's always something deeper, 316 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: you know, you can't assume. And I think what what's 317 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: you're getting at is that Southern draw that Southern culture, 318 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 1: the way people talk. I talk different, Um, I'm educated, 319 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter um. And I think people when you 320 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: hear me talk or here, certain things that people say, 321 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 1: you automatically try to put them in a group. And 322 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: I think inside of the podcast you you show and 323 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: and also challenge people to think differently and that don't 324 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:28,479 Speaker 1: automatically assume that you know the full picture by just 325 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: one person said what one person says, but at the 326 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: same time also agree and also dabble with it being 327 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: like a signal what people say, because there's there's different sex, 328 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: there's different you know. I'm in education, so when people 329 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: say different things, I kind of know their level of understanding. UM. 330 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 1: But you have to use it appropriately. And I think 331 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: inside of inside of the issue of acorn versus acorn, 332 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: I think it challenges people just don't always assume there's 333 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 1: something deeper, um. And usually that thing something deeper is 334 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: people's history, right how they are raised. I think, you know, 335 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 1: listening to your mom talk about Acron school district, it's like, 336 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: I get where you where, why you say it. That's 337 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: that's a history that's valuable that that can't you can't 338 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: shun it off just because it's different than what you do, 339 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: are different than what you've experience and what's interesting, Dan, 340 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: I think you might get speak to this. But the 341 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: the trend inside of a world that's massively communic communicating 342 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: with each other, is to do kind of what Misty 343 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 1: did to try to sound normal. I read about just 344 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: yesterday saw watch the video on an island off the 345 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 1: coast of North Carolina, Oker Cooke. Have you heard of that? 346 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 1: And and they they had this like incredible, very distinct 347 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 1: dialect that could directly be linked back to England and 348 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 1: different things. In eighties, basically that dialect started to be 349 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:08,719 Speaker 1: lost because of television and kids moving off and outside influence, 350 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 1: and you know it's I guess in some ways you 351 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,360 Speaker 1: kind of just have to decide, like what what has value? 352 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,719 Speaker 1: And I mean, like, I don't think anybody's I'm not 353 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: necessarily I'm not staking my life on whether my kids 354 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: say a corn or acorn, But I do think it 355 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: has value. I do, and so I think we can. 356 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: I think there is value in maintaining some cultural identity, 357 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: like the pronunciation of that word. Pronunciation of that word 358 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: has value because identity has value. And so like you say, um, 359 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 1: the story of girls soccer, you know, in that story 360 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: and how it's impacted your life, that has value and 361 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 1: so maybe probably has more value than acren or acorn. 362 00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,160 Speaker 1: So you would hope that that would shape your family, uh, 363 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: and everybody. Essentially we all construct identity and we're all 364 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: trying to have and maintain a stable I mean, we're 365 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: all fundamentally insecure, and so we're all trying to accept. 366 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: For Josh with that mustache. I got something to say 367 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: about mustaches later. But we're all one a stable identity, 368 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,959 Speaker 1: and so we're we're always using things, all kinds of 369 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 1: things of greater and lesser kind of value and worth, 370 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 1: depending on your perspective, to make that identity. And then 371 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 1: you in our world where we're so you go up 372 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,959 Speaker 1: north for the first time as a child, and all 373 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 1: of a sudden, it's like, if I talk the way 374 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: I talk in Hatfield, I get laughed at, and I 375 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: don't want my family to get laughed at, you know. 376 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: Or um, there's so many different things and you don't 377 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: even think of it, you know, consciously you thought of it. 378 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: But a lot of times as a as a young 379 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: young child, if we want to fit into our family, 380 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: then we talk the way they do, you know. Or 381 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 1: as agers, if we want to rebel, we do things 382 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: that our family doesn't do. You know. Yeah, yeah, that's incredible, man. 383 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: And so in this book Southern Mountain Speech, this this 384 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: guy was a professor at the university in Boone what 385 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 1: is it, Appalachian State University, and he was. It's the 386 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: first part of the book is his history. He's he's 387 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 1: been gone for a while, twenty years or so. Basically 388 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: he became this He was raised in rural Appalachia, and 389 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: he noticed that when kids went to public schools that 390 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: these kids came with like basically this fundamental way of 391 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: communication that and he makes a case that that fundamental 392 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: way of communication and grammar and pronounced pronunciation of words 393 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: had been scripted for the last hundred and fifty years. 394 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: When they went into public school, they were wrong and 395 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,159 Speaker 1: they were taught something totally different. And he felt like 396 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: that it was stripping identity away from these people. And 397 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 1: he he he basically was making a case for who's 398 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: to say what's right or wrong? And he used it 399 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: was interesting because he actually used the word bear as 400 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:21,360 Speaker 1: an example. He gave four different examples of the pronounce 401 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: I can't pronounce four years old, I can't change, okay, 402 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: the pronunciation of the word bear, and and I can't 403 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 1: even say it the way he described it. But like 404 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: way up north, they would be like bear. They had 405 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: a way of sin they had and and then I 406 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: would say like bear, like an emphasis on the air 407 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: bear in east Tennessee. They say, bar, I can't replicate it, man, 408 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: I mean like I feel like I am, like I 409 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: love Tennessee. I wish I mean like I feel like 410 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,160 Speaker 1: I'm at home when I'm over there. I can't say 411 00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: it like Roy Clark and those boys bar bar do 412 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 1: they say creek or creek over there? Creek is Midwestern, man, 413 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 1: Creek is not Southern. He specifically said that. He said 414 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 1: people in Appalachians don't say creek at a lot of 415 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: people right me and say you could have done that 416 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: on creek and creek and I was like, no, I've 417 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: never said drink in my life. If you don't even 418 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: get started on pecan, I'm not particular on that word. Really. Yeah, 419 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 1: you put it on the bed at night. It ain't 420 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: what you eat in the path. A beacon under the bed. Yeah, well, okay, 421 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: you know what Daniel in that podcast, Daniel talked about 422 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: community and the trust thing, and you you seek out 423 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: people that are part of your community that you identify with. 424 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: While I'm sitting there listening to that, I'm driving back 425 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: from Oklahoma and I'm listening to that. When I was 426 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: in basic training in four Still, Oklahoma or something in 427 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: there with people from all over the United States. We 428 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: all looked the same, we all got the same haircut. 429 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: We everything that we have and identify with is just 430 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: like we're dressed and clothed and outfitted identically identical to 431 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: the other forty people in this barracks. And the only 432 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: thing that about midway through, I found myself talking with 433 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: these three other guys all the time. We were just 434 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: kind of like we always if there was any downtime, 435 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 1: we were always together. Nobody even thought to ask where 436 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: we were all from. One guy was from Houston, Texas, 437 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: the other two were from Tennessee, and I was from Arkansas. 438 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: And we were the only people in there from the South, 439 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: not one of the person. And we didn't go together 440 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: because of that. We were drawn together because we all 441 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: talked the same. And it was I never even though 442 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: you found yourself just like drifting. I just read um 443 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: in the last couple of weeks. I can't remember name 444 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: of the author, but a study has been done like 445 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: the underlying factors of PTSD and men and women returning 446 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: from tours of duty, and the psychologists are big beginning 447 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: to connect PTSD symptoms not too active duty like combat 448 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: frontlines encounters but two, I was embedded in a community 449 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,959 Speaker 1: where we shared everything language, culture, We wore the same stuff, 450 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: we talked the same ways. You're using the same lingo. 451 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: And for the first time in all of these people's life, 452 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: they were part of a home, like a social group 453 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: that had integrity across its kind of members. And then 454 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: you're removed from that, and all of a sudden, you 455 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: have all these you're you're depressed, you can't sleep, you're 456 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: anxious and there, and psychologists are beginning to say, yes, 457 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: of course, you know, intense combat experience of our Uh, 458 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: nobody's gonna argue that's gonna mess you up. But we 459 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: underestimate the deep need that we have for what you 460 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: experience and how wonderful that was, and we're just drawn 461 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: to it. We want it. We and successful organizations, successful companies, 462 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: they use language to create culture. They've got acronyms, they've 463 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: got lingo, they've got even like your malacho you're talking about. 464 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: In education, somebody uses certain terms. You can kind of 465 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: tell what background they're coming from. We do this all 466 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: the time everywhere. But we and we can, you know, 467 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: have differences over but we don't realize how deep seated 468 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: that need is you know what you know, what really 469 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: when you're talking about that makes me think about you know, 470 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: there's such a push in society these days for freedom. 471 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: I want my freedom, I want to be able to 472 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 1: do what I feel like I want to do, when 473 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: in reality, there is actually a lot of safety and 474 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: stability inside of having boundaries. People thrive inside of boundaries, 475 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: and when you take away those boundaries, um, they feel 476 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: unstable and insecure, and uh, it really is, it really is. Uh. 477 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: In my opinion, it's it's a disservice to people to 478 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: say you can go do whatever you want, just you 479 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 1: got the freedom to do whatever you want. When I 480 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: don't do that for my own children because I love them, 481 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: you know, I give them accurate boundaries and I say, 482 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: here's your boundaries. Inside of those boundaries, knock yourself out, 483 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: you know, do whatever you want to do, but here's 484 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: what the safe line is. And that actually those boundaries 485 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: form their identity. Exact identity isn't just what this is 486 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: what we do and this is what you can do, 487 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: but it's also this is who we are not. Identity 488 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: is formed by both things. And Bingo is the name 489 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: of that dog. Boundless, boundless, identity is no identity, so 490 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: there are no bounds on your identity. You have no identity. 491 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: And of course, as as humans, just depending on kind 492 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: of languages use it, we're kind of we're totally messed up, 493 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: and so we do identity and messed up ways, and 494 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: we take those bounds and they're highly counterproductive. But the 495 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: answer is not necessarily, well, let's remove all the bounds, 496 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: because you have no being a parent and being a 497 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 1: law enforcement supervisor and supervising multiple officers in the undercover 498 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 1: capacity and later on as uniformed officers, and my children, 499 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: that everybody operates when they know what the parameters are. 500 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: And I know if you get if you get too 501 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: far out of the left side, there's repercussions, if you 502 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: get too far out of the right side, there's repercussions 503 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: with that. But if they stay in those parameters in there, 504 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 1: that's where they operate best, and that's where life is best. 505 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's it's more structure. That kind of 506 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 1: structure is really good. Here's my biggest takeaway from the 507 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 1: exploration of this word, which in all honesty, I didn't 508 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: know the answers to these questions that I said out 509 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: to find like this wasn't some like, it wasn't some mastermind. No, 510 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 1: I really like, you know, Ronnella made fun of me 511 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: about saying acorn, and I you know, I've picked up 512 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 1: now that that's a word that people kind of q 513 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 1: in on, and so I was like, what's the deal. So, 514 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 1: like everything I discovered on there, even talking to Dan 515 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 1: was a discovery. And this is why I described it 516 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 1: to him. It was almost spooky how familiar we were 517 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,360 Speaker 1: with what you said, Dan, just like like social groups 518 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 1: and identification and safety and trust. It's like it's like 519 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: you were describing to me and operating platform that I 520 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 1: would have swore wasn't there because no one taught it 521 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 1: to me quote unquote it it was never conscious but 522 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 1: highly highly connected the saying everyone there's no escape from it. 523 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:55,399 Speaker 1: There there's nobody that doesn't identify in some way. But 524 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 1: this is where I feel like the veil gets pulled 525 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: back because like you talk about like these social groups 526 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 1: that we connect to, and I mean, and I have 527 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: no shame in saying like when I hear somebody say acor, 528 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: and like I want to give my high five. Now 529 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 1: that I'm old and realized there's a different. At first, 530 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 1: I just thought normal people said that, um, but the 531 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 1: that is an external identifier of people and they have 532 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: stuff that they identify with that I do not. And 533 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: by me identifying and having insight and awareness to my 534 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: own self of what makes me feel comfortable and safe, 535 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 1: I think that allows me to look into another person's 536 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 1: culture who does something way different than me, and be like, 537 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: I get it, Like to look into you know, I mean, 538 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 1: and I can just say, like the opposite of rural 539 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 1: culture would be urban culture, and like sometimes I would 540 00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: it could be confusing for someone in the inner city 541 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 1: to look at rural culture and just be like, I 542 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: don't get it. I just don't get it. I mean, 543 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,400 Speaker 1: you could take me, for example, like I grew up 544 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 1: in a pretty big city, you know, hundred fifty thou 545 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 1: um graduating class of seven hundred and coming into Arkansas. 546 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 1: It's totally different than what than what I grew up on. 547 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 1: And I think what you're describing is being able to 548 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 1: see the value of people and being able to look 549 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 1: at even though what they're doing is different, there is 550 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,720 Speaker 1: possibly something I can learn and that I can build 551 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: and and and bring inside of my life. The only 552 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: reason that I have a uh hunting license is because 553 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: I watched you want to be on this podcasts you 554 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: got your hunting license that just bought against you know, 555 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 1: watching Josh and Clay, you know, go hunting with their sons, 556 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 1: and you know, I'm never going to be the type 557 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,840 Speaker 1: of guy that wants to sit in a tree stand 558 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,360 Speaker 1: all day. That's just not my life. I place in 559 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: his hand. Yeah that might work. But like watching you 560 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 1: all what you do with your kids through hunting, I 561 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 1: saw it as an avenue that I can potentially build 562 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 1: inside of my life. And so I think it's important 563 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 1: that as you interact with people who might say things differently, 564 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,759 Speaker 1: who might do things differently, you have to look and see, 565 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 1: like what can I value from their life? What can 566 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,800 Speaker 1: I take away that I can build inside of my 567 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 1: my own culture, something that I and that that I 568 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 1: think that's a beautiful thing. And I think we have 569 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,839 Speaker 1: to challenge ourself to do that consistently. It's a it's 570 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:38,840 Speaker 1: it's a it's a spiritual internal discipline to be able 571 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 1: to like the passion with which I say acorn and 572 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 1: you know, wear cowboy boots sometimes and have mules and 573 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,239 Speaker 1: like it kind of have this identity external though, it 574 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:55,440 Speaker 1: be like I can look into somebody else that's and 575 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: be like, man, they're doing the exact same thing as me. 576 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 1: There's there's food that they like, there's words that they like, 577 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,920 Speaker 1: There's there's smells that they like, there's literature that they're like, 578 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,879 Speaker 1: there's kinds of people that they like, and they're doing 579 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,800 Speaker 1: the exact same thing as me, and I can respect. 580 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,319 Speaker 1: I can respect that, you know. So really that so 581 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: my intent was not that the Acorn podcast would drive 582 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 1: us deeper into our social group. You've created intense division. 583 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 1: Now you have taken another thing and you or was wrong. 584 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 1: You have polarized this nation. Know, my intent is that 585 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:48,479 Speaker 1: awareness is going to bring again. Really, man, I've said 586 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 1: and I said it again on on the on the 587 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 1: fifty Years in the Back of Patch podcast with Mr Roy, 588 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:59,839 Speaker 1: is that, like, my intent is not to highlight that 589 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 1: culture and say that it's like the l primo culture 590 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:08,359 Speaker 1: of anywhere. Man, I I pray that somebody else is. 591 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,680 Speaker 1: And I know they are are making media about other 592 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 1: groups that I don't have insight into that with pure intentions. 593 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 1: My intention is not to elevate these guys too. It's 594 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 1: just they're they're valuable. Their culture is valuable. How boring 595 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,319 Speaker 1: would this place be if we were all the same? Yeah, 596 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 1: telling about boring boring? Yeah, overall companies would do good. 597 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:38,880 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I have stuck in it. It's the tension. 598 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,799 Speaker 1: And it's like the tension between I want I want 599 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 1: to have my really tight knit social group that are 600 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,920 Speaker 1: are similar to me and the same as me, but 601 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,680 Speaker 1: I love different things and I don't want things to 602 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 1: be bored, and so like it's this tension and we're 603 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 1: not good at living in the tension between two things. 604 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 1: We kind of oscillate from one extreme to the other. Well, 605 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,879 Speaker 1: this is what this is. The truth is that as 606 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 1: humans as the most conscious beings on planet Earth. Did 607 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:12,880 Speaker 1: you say beings? Beings? I'm sorry, I just wanted to 608 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 1: make conscious diverged. Did you say, mam or my the 609 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:26,359 Speaker 1: most conscious being on the Earth. We have the right 610 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:32,239 Speaker 1: to complexity, like challenge. I challenge myself to be complex 611 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 1: Like I love my culture. I do. I love it. 612 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:36,759 Speaker 1: I love it. I don't want to be anything other 613 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,279 Speaker 1: than that. I like it. But there's a complexity that 614 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,279 Speaker 1: can be built inside of it, a layer that's like, man, 615 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,759 Speaker 1: I bet if I love my culture, I bet that 616 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,400 Speaker 1: guy loves his culture, and I bet he's not that 617 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,359 Speaker 1: much different than me, and I bet he's a good guy. 618 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,600 Speaker 1: And it's complex, it's it's like it's like a layer, 619 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 1: a layer deeper of thinking that I think it's real 620 00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 1: hard for people, but it's it's not hard. It's not hard. 621 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,120 Speaker 1: And obviously, I mean, I'm not saying, you know, there 622 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,360 Speaker 1: there are bad people in the earth. I'm not saying 623 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 1: that we glorify them, but I'm saying as it pertains 624 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,960 Speaker 1: to culture, because our country really is and kind of 625 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 1: like culture wars, you know, in a lot of different ways, 626 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 1: because people are using these external identifiers, which is what 627 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,200 Speaker 1: you're talking about. Culture is an external thing. It's it's 628 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,520 Speaker 1: the things that you can see and hear. They're using 629 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,960 Speaker 1: these external definers to build silos between and to build 630 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:34,319 Speaker 1: draw lines between. And really what we should be what 631 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 1: we should really care about, is the internal definers that 632 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 1: people used to define themselves and to build their lives. 633 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,200 Speaker 1: And those are the things that matter the most. And 634 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,200 Speaker 1: you can talk to a guy from Appalachian, you can 635 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,560 Speaker 1: talk to a guy from a city, and they have 636 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:53,920 Speaker 1: two different external cultures and two different external definitions of identity, 637 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,359 Speaker 1: but they can also very much so live their lives 638 00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,759 Speaker 1: by the same internal principles and build their homes by 639 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,839 Speaker 1: those same principles, and that those things are what makeup person. Yeah, 640 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 1: you know, a desirable Hey, I wanna, I wanna, I 641 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,560 Speaker 1: want to. I want to spend the last little bit 642 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,600 Speaker 1: here talking about um the Appalachian Mountain Culture podcast because 643 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,399 Speaker 1: we're trying to get tied up. But Dan, I want 644 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,840 Speaker 1: to give you the floor one more time. Acorn podcast 645 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 1: easily the star of the best one. Yeah. No, I 646 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,440 Speaker 1: I I think maybe like a mark of like a 647 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,800 Speaker 1: mark of maturity, will be able to know the bounds 648 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,960 Speaker 1: of your identity but see something that's different and can 649 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,560 Speaker 1: be able to celebrate. But it's so tricky because there are, 650 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:47,279 Speaker 1: like Misty said, highly negative ways of doing identity and 651 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:52,000 Speaker 1: going about it. That's a tough place to live this world. Yeah, Okay, 652 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:56,080 Speaker 1: fifty years in the Backer Patch backer Field Impressions. So 653 00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,920 Speaker 1: I listened to that podcast twice? Did you the first 654 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 1: time I listened to it? I have to say now, 655 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:08,880 Speaker 1: mind you, that my I married a woman who whose 656 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:14,080 Speaker 1: family heritage goes to southeast Oklahoma, and uh they are 657 00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:20,280 Speaker 1: rural country folk. My wife's grandmother got married at fourteen. Um. 658 00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:25,200 Speaker 1: Her first two houses had dirt floors. When we were 659 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,920 Speaker 1: one night, we spent some time talking with her about 660 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:32,680 Speaker 1: about what her life was like when years ago, and 661 00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,320 Speaker 1: we said, what was it like living through the depression 662 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,360 Speaker 1: and she said, well, we didn't know there was a 663 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,920 Speaker 1: depression until someone told us it was over. And uh, 664 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,480 Speaker 1: that was just their way of life and so um. 665 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,480 Speaker 1: Even having spent a lot of time around my wife's 666 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:54,080 Speaker 1: family there, I I did not understand what Roy Clark 667 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:58,480 Speaker 1: said until the It was almost like I got fed 668 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,799 Speaker 1: the the rubery of how to translate it the first 669 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,400 Speaker 1: time I listened to it, because the second time I 670 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,360 Speaker 1: listened to it, I understood every word he said. Really, 671 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,040 Speaker 1: you had a hard time The first time I listened 672 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,160 Speaker 1: to it, I was and I was doing some work 673 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:12,640 Speaker 1: while I was listening to it, But it was like, 674 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,920 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what that what that whole string of 675 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,600 Speaker 1: words was. But the second time, it was like I 676 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,640 Speaker 1: caught every single syllable that he said. So I thought 677 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,640 Speaker 1: that was very interesting, just that that culture of speak, 678 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:31,480 Speaker 1: that dialect almost um, he he has this the most 679 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:37,480 Speaker 1: unique dialect that I've heard over there. It's interesting amongst 680 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:41,359 Speaker 1: even families. So he's got an accent within that accent, yeah, 681 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,719 Speaker 1: and I'm not I mean, anybody you talked over there 682 00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,440 Speaker 1: would have a very strong accent to the average year. 683 00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:51,200 Speaker 1: But Mr Roy's like, I would actually like to get 684 00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:55,960 Speaker 1: somebody that, like a language specialists to like dissect some 685 00:44:56,040 --> 00:45:00,760 Speaker 1: of the things he says, because it's just so unique. 686 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,840 Speaker 1: But now a lot of the things that I left in. 687 00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,840 Speaker 1: Mr Roy talks for about fifteen minutes. He was just 688 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,240 Speaker 1: talking about his life, I mean, like selling tomatoes and tobacco, 689 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,879 Speaker 1: and I just wanted I just wanted them to hear 690 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,600 Speaker 1: him talk. And then he did tell some pretty wild 691 00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:22,400 Speaker 1: stuff about they had a live bear. That was pretty wild. 692 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,799 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you guys. So I met Mr Roy 693 00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,840 Speaker 1: through bear hunting, Like I went and I bear hunted 694 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,640 Speaker 1: with him and for three days and we made a 695 00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:36,760 Speaker 1: film that's that did really really cool film on YouTube. 696 00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,200 Speaker 1: It's called Best Bear Hunt. I think it's it's on 697 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,640 Speaker 1: the Bear Hunting Magazine YouTube channel. I think it's titled 698 00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,640 Speaker 1: the Best bear Hunt beare Hound Hunting Film of all 699 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:50,200 Speaker 1: Time or something I was trying to do. But it 700 00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:54,960 Speaker 1: turns out that it was. Oh, it was incredible films. 701 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,440 Speaker 1: So that's how I met Mr Roy. And man, let 702 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,880 Speaker 1: me tell you something. You don't just walk into East 703 00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:06,279 Speaker 1: Tennessee and people just open their doors to you. They're 704 00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,680 Speaker 1: just like anywhere, like there there. They never asked for attention. 705 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,879 Speaker 1: They didn't invite me to come to them. I when 706 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,000 Speaker 1: I first met Mr Roy, they wouldn't even give me 707 00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,480 Speaker 1: his phone number. I had to go through somebody to 708 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:26,480 Speaker 1: get to Mr Roy. I communicated multiple times someone. So 709 00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,399 Speaker 1: over the years, I've developed a relationship with Mr Roy. 710 00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,000 Speaker 1: And I mean, he he he just has a way 711 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,760 Speaker 1: about him and it's hard to describe and you can't 712 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,120 Speaker 1: replicate it. Like you couldn't. I can't watch him and 713 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,360 Speaker 1: do what he does and me be like this. But 714 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:48,280 Speaker 1: he is like when you watch him interact with his family, 715 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,080 Speaker 1: when you watch him interact with you, you feel like 716 00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:56,000 Speaker 1: you're the guy's best friend in the world. And here's 717 00:46:56,040 --> 00:47:00,279 Speaker 1: here's the best example that I've many times. Several times 718 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,200 Speaker 1: I've stayed with them all day and ended up driving 719 00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,160 Speaker 1: home through the night. So we might have hunted all day, 720 00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,360 Speaker 1: and then once they got dark and we skinned a bear, 721 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,880 Speaker 1: I was like, fellas, I'm out of here, and had 722 00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:15,120 Speaker 1: a twelve hour drive home. Mr Royle called me at 723 00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:20,520 Speaker 1: two in the morning. Why you're doing alright, buddy? Making 724 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,120 Speaker 1: sure you use a weight. I just woke up. I 725 00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:27,680 Speaker 1: was thinking about you staying away. I mean, just call 726 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,640 Speaker 1: me when you get home. I mean, little stuff like that, 727 00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:37,120 Speaker 1: just normal. But it's like, uh, he makes everybody feel welcome. 728 00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:42,000 Speaker 1: I can't tell you, like, uh, my mom, my mom 729 00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:46,360 Speaker 1: is you know, she's known as the Queen of hospitality. 730 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,600 Speaker 1: And I watched people as a child that would come 731 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,359 Speaker 1: in contact with our family and the way that my 732 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,839 Speaker 1: mom would care for people and take care of them 733 00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,080 Speaker 1: and do things that she know they would prefer. And 734 00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,560 Speaker 1: as i've you know, as I was growing up, as 735 00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,880 Speaker 1: I became become an adult, there's something very special inside 736 00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,000 Speaker 1: of a culture that makes people feel valued. I was 737 00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,399 Speaker 1: talking with my daughter the other night, and it's it's 738 00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,160 Speaker 1: more than just making people feel comfortable around you. There 739 00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,759 Speaker 1: is something lacking in the world that makes people at 740 00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,839 Speaker 1: an internal level feel valued. And like Misty was talking 741 00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,759 Speaker 1: about just a minute ago, because I don't care what 742 00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,719 Speaker 1: you do. What you do doesn't define you. Who you 743 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,799 Speaker 1: are is what defines you. And when when you come 744 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,680 Speaker 1: in contact with someone who sees the value in you 745 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,960 Speaker 1: and cares enough to call you in the middle of 746 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,279 Speaker 1: the night. That's a pretty special thing. I mean, that's 747 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:45,480 Speaker 1: something that that's that's unique and rare and and and 748 00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:50,160 Speaker 1: honestly quite quite beautiful. I mean, it's amazing what that does. 749 00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,960 Speaker 1: And I think I think just just listening to that 750 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,919 Speaker 1: podcast and here and you talk about their family, it's 751 00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:02,600 Speaker 1: like something that they've that they have uh cultivated inside 752 00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,560 Speaker 1: of their little clan, and when you were able to 753 00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,200 Speaker 1: come in contact with it, he realized the special thing 754 00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:12,600 Speaker 1: they have. Yeah, the other thing that I wanted to 755 00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,480 Speaker 1: bring up was what did you think about Britt Davis? 756 00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:22,440 Speaker 1: Mr Brett Davis? Seven minute that seven minute interview. Pretty 757 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:30,200 Speaker 1: amazing he was when he bought his dad died, he 758 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,680 Speaker 1: was thirteen years old and grew a crop of tobacco 759 00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,479 Speaker 1: and the farm that he lives on to this day. 760 00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:41,919 Speaker 1: Literally And that's a heck of a mantel to put 761 00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:47,239 Speaker 1: on a twelve year old kid. Yeah, they didn't. It 762 00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,360 Speaker 1: wasn't like somebody said, hey, Clay asked Mr Britt about 763 00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,279 Speaker 1: how he got his house that, because they would have 764 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,320 Speaker 1: done that, because they did that about a couple other things. 765 00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,319 Speaker 1: They were like, Hey, asked him about this or that? Well, 766 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,319 Speaker 1: they told me to ask him about how the doct or. 767 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,319 Speaker 1: I talked about how the doctor in the community went 768 00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,959 Speaker 1: around they put a white flag on their mailbox, and 769 00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,600 Speaker 1: nobody asked me to It was just it was just 770 00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:14,040 Speaker 1: normal and what was really neat from a like an 771 00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:19,240 Speaker 1: interview journalistic standpoint. I did not come there to interview 772 00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:24,720 Speaker 1: Mr Britt. Mr Britt is always there. He says very little, 773 00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,040 Speaker 1: and I really wasn't sure how he would respond to me, 774 00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,399 Speaker 1: like putting him on the spot, And so I got 775 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:36,000 Speaker 1: done interview in Mr Roy. And Roy is constantly trying 776 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:40,120 Speaker 1: to bring other people in for real, like if you're 777 00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,480 Speaker 1: hunting with hounds, he's wanting you to put your dog 778 00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,080 Speaker 1: out on the track. And he said, hey, you need 779 00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,160 Speaker 1: to get you need to get bred over here, Brett, 780 00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,359 Speaker 1: come over where, come over where down and they put 781 00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,640 Speaker 1: the headset on Mr Britt. And I wasn't prepared to 782 00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,880 Speaker 1: interview Mr Britt, And I think that's what made it 783 00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,680 Speaker 1: so good because I just asked him. I was just like, 784 00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,719 Speaker 1: what are your first memories? And you know he's and 785 00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:08,160 Speaker 1: and and he just started talking and and yeah, and 786 00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,000 Speaker 1: that surprised me. That was pretty emotionally listening to it. 787 00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,920 Speaker 1: That surprised me because I ran into you know that 788 00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:18,320 Speaker 1: his father had died, and I don't know, you just 789 00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:22,400 Speaker 1: said you just have I did learn something. You have 790 00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:26,960 Speaker 1: this sense that like a ninety year old man, like 791 00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,880 Speaker 1: you could just ask him outright about his dad. That 792 00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,440 Speaker 1: was my sense, and I hope it didn't come across 793 00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:36,480 Speaker 1: as brash. I actually take out some of the spaces, 794 00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:40,200 Speaker 1: like sometimes there's in normal communication will be a pause 795 00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,840 Speaker 1: for emphasis on burgharas because we're trying to make it efficient. 796 00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:45,440 Speaker 1: I take out a lot of stuff. So it sounded 797 00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,000 Speaker 1: like I just was like, how'd your dad? How did 798 00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,319 Speaker 1: you handle that? But really that was kind of some 799 00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:55,439 Speaker 1: a little bit more thought in it. But uh but well, 800 00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,280 Speaker 1: I know, as I was listening to it, I didn't 801 00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,840 Speaker 1: want to feel rude the way it came with ross 802 00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,160 Speaker 1: because because I said, how did it affect you when 803 00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:08,160 Speaker 1: your dad died? And he he didn't say anything for 804 00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:12,799 Speaker 1: probably four or five seconds. Yeah, yeah, you know, and 805 00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,680 Speaker 1: that was he's ninety, he'll be nine. Well he's ninety now, 806 00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:18,840 Speaker 1: he said. If I lift out June twod because we 807 00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:23,440 Speaker 1: recorded it before then seventy eight years ago and he's 808 00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,480 Speaker 1: still you know, I'm the same way and my dad's 809 00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:30,880 Speaker 1: been gone ten years now, eleven years now. But his 810 00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:35,000 Speaker 1: reaction to that was just like mine would have been 811 00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:40,080 Speaker 1: six years ago or right after it happened. It's still, 812 00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:44,040 Speaker 1: you know, a deep emotional effect that has guided him 813 00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:47,440 Speaker 1: to where he sat from that day to where he's 814 00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,239 Speaker 1: sitting right now. That was, you know what, one of 815 00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,080 Speaker 1: the things that got him to where he is. So 816 00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:58,360 Speaker 1: Mr Britt trunted with him every single day this year. Really. 817 00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:02,240 Speaker 1: He drives a little Suzuki sidekick, a little four wheel 818 00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:06,759 Speaker 1: drive and he he just rides around listen to the bear. 819 00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,520 Speaker 1: You know, the guys have their trucks and they they 820 00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,040 Speaker 1: the guys that are hunting or you know, it's a hustle. 821 00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,520 Speaker 1: They're trying to cut off dog races, and it's just 822 00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:19,280 Speaker 1: like it's pretty cool. Mr Britt stays on the radio 823 00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,160 Speaker 1: and knows that country and and you know here he'll 824 00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,319 Speaker 1: hear him say, man, the dogs are headed to cow 825 00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,719 Speaker 1: Pin Pass. Well, he'll get in his Suzuki and head 826 00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,960 Speaker 1: over there, and you get out and listen to the dogs. 827 00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,040 Speaker 1: And he I'm pretty sure he told me he hunted 828 00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,200 Speaker 1: every day with him this year that they hunted. So 829 00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,960 Speaker 1: the Tennessee season has like you know, see three of 830 00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,719 Speaker 1: three different seasons that are you know, however along but 831 00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:46,759 Speaker 1: pretty pretty unique. Um I thought, so, part two of 832 00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:53,000 Speaker 1: the podcast is gonna be about moonshine, Nascar, and bear hunting. 833 00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,800 Speaker 1: It was all supposed to be in one podcast, and 834 00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,040 Speaker 1: when I got diving into it, it was just too much. 835 00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:02,000 Speaker 1: I really want to dive into moons shine because moonshine 836 00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:07,760 Speaker 1: was it's handled. Listen, I'll forecast to you what's gonna 837 00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:13,520 Speaker 1: happen on this Like people talk about moonshine hard liquor 838 00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,719 Speaker 1: as if it's like candy. I mean, like even when 839 00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,120 Speaker 1: you're in that country, like you see it on billboards 840 00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:23,520 Speaker 1: and it's just this like playful thing, like, oh, moonshine. Well, Man, 841 00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,839 Speaker 1: moonshine ruined a lot of families. I had a guy 842 00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,840 Speaker 1: over there who didn't want to be on the podcast. 843 00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,320 Speaker 1: I kind of tried to get him on and he 844 00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,239 Speaker 1: decided he didn't want to be. But you know, he 845 00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:38,520 Speaker 1: he told me, he said, man moonshine was like the 846 00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:44,319 Speaker 1: meth dealers of that time. It ruined families. It and 847 00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:49,600 Speaker 1: and so and that's one, like pretty dramatic extreme. But 848 00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:53,200 Speaker 1: the other extreme is that that, yeah, moonshine, no big deal. 849 00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,440 Speaker 1: And you heard what Mr Roy said. I gave you 850 00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,480 Speaker 1: just a snippet as he said, I said, what do 851 00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,400 Speaker 1: you think about liquor? And he said, I don't want 852 00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,800 Speaker 1: anything to do with it? And he was real upfront 853 00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:06,719 Speaker 1: and he wouldn't have said it if he didn't want, 854 00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:08,799 Speaker 1: you know, he didn't. He just said it because it 855 00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,040 Speaker 1: was true. He said, he said, some of my family 856 00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:15,120 Speaker 1: stayed drunk their whole life, and I wasn't gonna be 857 00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,879 Speaker 1: that way. That is why I like Mr Roy. I mean, 858 00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:23,759 Speaker 1: nobody's perfect, but that kind of character was just like 859 00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:25,640 Speaker 1: I made a decision when I was a kid, ain't 860 00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,160 Speaker 1: gonna be like these guys. I'm not gonna have somebody 861 00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,160 Speaker 1: take you have to take care of me. And then 862 00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,520 Speaker 1: he and that type of character has only found when 863 00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,520 Speaker 1: you go deeper. Right, you think about that region in 864 00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:39,080 Speaker 1: that country. I think here, you immediately have ideas and 865 00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:42,040 Speaker 1: thoughts of who they are. And you know, I bet 866 00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,680 Speaker 1: if you pulled if you listen to that podcast up 867 00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:48,000 Speaker 1: until that point, and you pulled a hundred people and 868 00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:53,440 Speaker 1: you said, does this guy drink moonshine? Oh yeah, well 869 00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:58,160 Speaker 1: how many would have said, yes, he does yeah, And 870 00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,320 Speaker 1: then he was like, no, sir, I ain't touching this, 871 00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:06,920 Speaker 1: very adamant about it. Now I'll confess, who are you drunk? 872 00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:09,840 Speaker 1: When he was talking about those ferment and peaches in 873 00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,719 Speaker 1: that barrel, yeah, I was thinking, now, how would it 874 00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,680 Speaker 1: be bad to walk by there with a coffee cup 875 00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,000 Speaker 1: kind of maybe take a dip out of that. I 876 00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:19,560 Speaker 1: thought about that on the way up here, but that 877 00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:25,240 Speaker 1: did come through your mind. Here's the Here's the cool 878 00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,839 Speaker 1: part is that I go in quite quite a bit 879 00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:33,719 Speaker 1: of depth with Dr Dan Pierce about moonshine, and when 880 00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:37,520 Speaker 1: you hear the whole context, it makes a lot of sense. 881 00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,120 Speaker 1: I mean, he talks about the Scots Irish culture. He 882 00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,759 Speaker 1: talks about how they came here before they were laws 883 00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,719 Speaker 1: regarding liquor, and then how the government came in and 884 00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:51,360 Speaker 1: made laws that basically took the legs out. And basically 885 00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,680 Speaker 1: when you see the whole thing, it kind of makes 886 00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,720 Speaker 1: sense and you kind of get it, and you realize 887 00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:00,279 Speaker 1: that maybe all these people weren't just bad peep and 888 00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:04,480 Speaker 1: they certainly were not all drunks. I mean, like there 889 00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,440 Speaker 1: there's there's many ways to look at it, but I 890 00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,480 Speaker 1: feel like in this next podcast, we're gonna get a 891 00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:13,359 Speaker 1: balanced look at it that doesn't glorify it, but also 892 00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,360 Speaker 1: just just shows why it was there, you know, this 893 00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:21,360 Speaker 1: artifact of these people being who they were, so it's 894 00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,880 Speaker 1: very interesting. And then uh, Nascar is a big part 895 00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:28,000 Speaker 1: of that. And then Roy Clark. I mean, like most 896 00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,760 Speaker 1: of what we talked about in the interview was bear hunting, 897 00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,760 Speaker 1: and so we're gonna dive into that a bunch more 898 00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,479 Speaker 1: and there's a couple of other guests, and so part 899 00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:42,000 Speaker 1: two will be it won't be me, folks, still not Josh, 900 00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:46,200 Speaker 1: you're an Appalachian expert. Though, Hey, what about the music epic? 901 00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,720 Speaker 1: It was pretty epic. I love how you can hear 902 00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,960 Speaker 1: everybody in the background like, oh, like they're pulling everything 903 00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:59,880 Speaker 1: together many room. Oh, I don't know. Yeah, yeah, we 904 00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,480 Speaker 1: were the only people that weren't. There was a neighbor, 905 00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:05,440 Speaker 1: a couple of neighbors they kind of take care of, 906 00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:09,600 Speaker 1: you know, you get lumped into family. Yeah, there'll be 907 00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:11,880 Speaker 1: some more music on the next podcast. But what do 908 00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,840 Speaker 1: you think about old a belt Reid? Oh? Wow, that 909 00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:18,240 Speaker 1: is a that's a treasure but that cool. Yeah, absolutely, 910 00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,240 Speaker 1: I wanted to show her. You know, she like obviously 911 00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:25,640 Speaker 1: none of us knew her anything, but she was a 912 00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:30,560 Speaker 1: iconic Appalachian woman and banjo player, songwriter, and I called 913 00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:33,120 Speaker 1: her a philosopher because she kind of was. Do you 914 00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:36,840 Speaker 1: know when that recording was from nineteen seventy three, what 915 00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,200 Speaker 1: what I mean? The stuff she was saying was just 916 00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:45,520 Speaker 1: like how aproposed to today? You know? She was. She 917 00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:49,760 Speaker 1: was very balanced and she there's quite a bit of 918 00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:53,880 Speaker 1: recordings of her talking and I loved how she said 919 00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:58,200 Speaker 1: She's she's not trying to go backwards. In other places 920 00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,560 Speaker 1: in her speech, She's like, I'm not I'm not saying 921 00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:03,120 Speaker 1: that we need to go back to these times. And 922 00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:06,280 Speaker 1: that's how I ended the podcast, as I said, I 923 00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:11,360 Speaker 1: am not. I hope people don't get the idea that 924 00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:15,280 Speaker 1: like I am like lustfully looking back at the past 925 00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:19,160 Speaker 1: wanting to go back, because that is not true. The 926 00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,600 Speaker 1: only way to progress is to me, we gotta find 927 00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:25,680 Speaker 1: ways to be relevant today, and that is my goal. Yeah. 928 00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,200 Speaker 1: I think that that's even part of the bear grease, 929 00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,480 Speaker 1: is that you're acknowledging the good and you're taking the 930 00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:35,480 Speaker 1: good from these ancient things, but you're combining them together 931 00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:40,520 Speaker 1: with progression, movement, forward advance. How did you think I 932 00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:42,960 Speaker 1: ended the podcast? Ms nkem? Would you have done it 933 00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:55,000 Speaker 1: any different? Always? Mr? Or Gary? This is like I 934 00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:58,920 Speaker 1: give it a strong I'll give it. I think Gary 935 00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:05,440 Speaker 1: gave to three right five stars my favorite podcast. No, 936 01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:08,720 Speaker 1: I uh. I also want to say, as we close 937 01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:11,360 Speaker 1: here and we're about we are about to close, I'm 938 01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,919 Speaker 1: gonna get out of the South at some point. Like 939 01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:18,360 Speaker 1: almost all the podcasts have been I know, dance all right, man, 940 01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:23,480 Speaker 1: All the podcasts have been Southern focused. And honestly that 941 01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:26,800 Speaker 1: was for No. That wasn't really strategy. I mean people 942 01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:29,200 Speaker 1: have been like, oh meetings trying to get into the South. 943 01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:33,640 Speaker 1: I mean, if that was their plan, they didn't tell me, 944 01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,880 Speaker 1: and they and I could have done anything, you know, 945 01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,320 Speaker 1: I mean inside the boundaries of what they asked me 946 01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:42,680 Speaker 1: to do before they send you abroad or are they 947 01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:46,520 Speaker 1: gonna are you gonna have some tutorials or workshops on 948 01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:57,400 Speaker 1: how to an You know, Davis only made one trip 949 01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:02,560 Speaker 1: out of Appalachia's whole life to see go to Texas. Yeah, 950 01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:06,040 Speaker 1: that's about like me. You spent a lot of time 951 01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:12,600 Speaker 1: in Canada, foreign country. Yeah. Um no, I just want 952 01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:14,200 Speaker 1: to say that for people. I've had a few people 953 01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:16,240 Speaker 1: be like, oh, you gotta get it, you know, just 954 01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:18,800 Speaker 1: like is this all this is gonna be? But I 955 01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,600 Speaker 1: tell you what, I've got as much feedback, positive feedback 956 01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:24,720 Speaker 1: from non Southern people as anything. We are going to 957 01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:26,360 Speaker 1: get out of get out of the South and do 958 01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:29,160 Speaker 1: some different things, and all the negative feedback is from 959 01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:32,880 Speaker 1: people at North. Yeah. It's gonna basically be us critiquing culture. 960 01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:39,240 Speaker 1: It's gonna be me and Brent going around critiquing everyone else. 961 01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:47,600 Speaker 1: No sense, what do you think? Uh No, really, thank 962 01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:50,360 Speaker 1: you guys for coming the Bargary surrender, ton of fun, 963 01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:56,520 Speaker 1: Thank you guys. Beautiful cowbell, Dan, beautiful percussion, Brent good, 964 01:01:56,600 --> 01:02:00,960 Speaker 1: good job on the washboard, everything, um, and then leave us, 965 01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,800 Speaker 1: leave us a review on iTunes. Man, I mean, just 966 01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:07,360 Speaker 1: tell us the true woman. I mean, man, when I 967 01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:12,439 Speaker 1: say that, I mean when you leave the South. This 968 01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:15,800 Speaker 1: is this needs to be in the work show. Hey, 969 01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:19,440 Speaker 1: this is what I was going to end on. And 970 01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:23,040 Speaker 1: I'm not like, maybe I am trying to bring this up. 971 01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:28,080 Speaker 1: But Joe Rogan, did you hear the compliment he mustache? 972 01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:31,880 Speaker 1: Josh I did, and I was like, it was like, 973 01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:34,240 Speaker 1: I'm so proud. I can't waiting for him to give 974 01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:43,200 Speaker 1: you credit. That just the way we should ask, though. 975 01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:47,280 Speaker 1: Joe Rogan is probably an urban dweller. How many mustaches 976 01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:52,360 Speaker 1: is he exposed to? Hipsters have mustaches? Like crazy? Oh, 977 01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:57,920 Speaker 1: getting the stink eye from Dan, Yeah, that came out 978 01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:02,920 Speaker 1: of left field for me. Hey, hey, if if anybody 979 01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:06,120 Speaker 1: from the Beargrease world doesn't know, check out the uh 980 01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:08,720 Speaker 1: whatever episode it was on. I was on Joe Rogan. 981 01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:12,240 Speaker 1: That was pretty cool. Pick it up. Check it up. 982 01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,640 Speaker 1: Everyone in this room is totally unimpressed. They've never heard 983 01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:22,200 Speaker 1: of Joe Rogan. Probably none of you have. Yeah, there 984 01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:24,760 Speaker 1: was a lot of confusion in my family. It's kind 985 01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:27,240 Speaker 1: of a big down when you tell your dad, Hey, dad, 986 01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:31,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be on Joe Rogan and he's like, who she? Well, 987 01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:34,640 Speaker 1: my son Hunter he was. He was very impressed. He's 988 01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,000 Speaker 1: still impressed. He called me and talked to me about 989 01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:40,120 Speaker 1: it today. Now that guy's what I thought that Clay 990 01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:42,320 Speaker 1: was gonna I don't know the chain of events, but 991 01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:48,960 Speaker 1: thought Clay was gonna do carpool karaoke. We just did that. 992 01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:55,360 Speaker 1: What happened, Well, Hey, I really liked the live music 993 01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:59,800 Speaker 1: addition to the Beargrease podcast. You may hear more of 994 01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:02,400 Speaker 1: this kind of stuff in the future. Take us home, 995 01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:07,920 Speaker 1: click Hi on the mountaintop. Who all right? Keep the 996 01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:10,320 Speaker 1: wild places wild, because that's where the bears live and 997 01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:27,120 Speaker 1: that's where we get beared greasy. High on the mountaintop. 998 01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:32,640 Speaker 1: Tell me what you see. Bear tracks, bear tracks looking back, 999 01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:34,480 Speaker 1: Get misty,