Speaker 1: Good evening, swimmerl and welcome to the late night edition
Speaker 1: of the No Dunks podcast on the Athletic Network. It's Monday, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's Monday, June thirteenth, and the Warriors just took a
Speaker 1: pivotal Game five. I can't believe the nerve of you
Speaker 1: guys on today's podcast debating whether a Game five of
Speaker 1: a two to two finals series was pivotal. Indeed it was,
Speaker 1: and the Warriors win one four ninety four.
Speaker 2: We're gonna hear break it all down here tonight.
Speaker 1: I'm Jay Skeets, back from running a marathon and the
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Speaker 3: While I was. God we got Tasmelus, Hey Skeeters, glad
Speaker 3: to have you back.
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Speaker 1: guys joining us, Get your comments in there, fire and
Speaker 1: away the takes are hot. People are saying Wiggins is
Speaker 1: gonna win Finals MVP in the still.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, the Wiggins game unable.
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Speaker 1: get a started, man. Warriors one oh four Celtics ninety four.
Speaker 1: Like I said, uh, but it was you know, it
Speaker 1: was a one point game there until things got out
Speaker 1: of control there for for Boston in another fourth quarter
Speaker 1: they let slip away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they will brew the day. Too bad fourth quarters
Speaker 3: in a row. We expected them to bounce back in
Speaker 3: a fourth quarter after that nineteen pointer in Game four.
Speaker 3: But it was fun watching the Warriors come out just
Speaker 3: hitting hard. Every cut, every drive was intense. Andrew Wiggins
Speaker 3: set up of Draymond Green on the second drive of
Speaker 3: this game, or a second play of this game. I
Speaker 3: don't think I've ever seen Andrew Wiggins move faster than that,
Speaker 3: and it just it's snowballed. He just he shoved off
Speaker 3: Jalen Brown or threw Tatum off to get some space.
Speaker 3: Then Clay did it that first quarter, everything for the
Speaker 3: Warriors said they're going home, their role players are gonna
Speaker 3: play tough. And then in the third quarter, the Celtics
Speaker 3: did the exact same thing, every single possession defensively and
Speaker 3: offensively with purpose. So I thought we were lining up
Speaker 3: for a great fourth quarter and no Curry to start
Speaker 3: the fourth quarter, and somehow the Warriors won those minutes
Speaker 3: by eight frickin' points because it was just wild. Wiggins
Speaker 3: came out, set things up, and then some bad Marcus
Speaker 3: Smart minutes, Jalen Brown losing the ball on two straight possessions,
Speaker 3: Tatum shot and airball. So that's why it's just it
Speaker 3: was hard, a little painful to watch. I just didn't
Speaker 3: want two games in a row of bad fourth quarter
Speaker 3: execution from the Celtics. And really, you go back and
Speaker 3: watch every possession again here in Game five, and a
Speaker 3: lot of bad things happened for basically everybody. Udoka said,
Speaker 3: Derek White, you're not shooting well, you're not defending well,
Speaker 3: you're off. He brings in Marcus Smart. You could see
Speaker 3: Smart sprint up to the scorers table and he kind of,
Speaker 3: you know, he was that over zealous Marcus Smart doing
Speaker 3: a lot of bad things. That flop on Mark on
Speaker 3: Klay Thompson that didn't work resulting in an open three,
Speaker 3: got a tech for complaining, and then he got out
Speaker 3: Marcus smarted by Jordan Poole there on that flop and
Speaker 3: boom game over. Really, uh, that's that's why I hurt.
Speaker 3: It's gonna hurt the Celtics. I think looking back at
Speaker 3: game four and now game five against same story lee hmm.
Speaker 1: Andrew Wiggins, man, this guy has flipped the narrative about him.
Speaker 2: Ars had this season.
Speaker 1: I mean, being a starter in the All Star Game
Speaker 1: and then going to another level even here in the
Speaker 1: postseason and then here in the finals. I mean, this
Speaker 1: was an unbelievable Wiggins game. I mean, I'll just give
Speaker 1: you the stat line. Twenty six points, thirteen boards, twelve
Speaker 1: to twenty three shooting. Now, he didn't hit a three.
Speaker 1: That's where he the one area of his game that
Speaker 1: he struggled tonight, two or three at the line and
Speaker 1: then two assists, two steals in a block and he
Speaker 1: was by far the best player in this game, which
Speaker 1: is crazy in a game that has Curry going and
Speaker 1: Tatum going and obviously some other talent.
Speaker 4: Yes, Steph Curry and Andrew Wiggins combined to go oh
Speaker 4: for fifteen from downtown and they win this game comfortably
Speaker 4: because Andrew Wiggins was incredible tonight. I mean, honestly, when
Speaker 4: he's not taking those threes, and sure he wasn't hitting that,
Speaker 4: he can hit it fine, but it's when he takes
Speaker 4: out little mid ranges and he drives inside. He had
Speaker 4: the huge dunk, the emphatic dunk there on Derek White
Speaker 4: at the end. He just really has found a way
Speaker 4: to sort of highlight the strengths of his game and
Speaker 4: play to those and not try to be anything else,
Speaker 4: not try to be anything different, because you know, when
Speaker 4: you're the number one pick and he goes to Minnesota,
Speaker 4: he was expected to do all those things. And I
Speaker 4: think we're what we're really seeing in his time here
Speaker 4: in Golden State. He's just not comfortable being a number one.
Speaker 4: He's happy being a number four on a team because
Speaker 4: that means he doesn't have those expectations. But when he
Speaker 4: goes and he uses his speed in his athleticism, he
Speaker 4: gets the right spot and he just takes good, better
Speaker 4: looks than what he took where he's doing those in Minnesota.
Speaker 4: We saw those two or three dribbles, spinning around, fading
Speaker 4: away deep mid rangers.
Speaker 2: That's not his game.
Speaker 4: But when he's comfortable and he gets to his position
Speaker 4: and he rises up like he did tonight, he's fantastic.
Speaker 2: This is just a guy.
Speaker 4: I mean, he just looked composed out there as well.
Speaker 4: I mean apart from those threes that missed, and Mike
Speaker 4: Breen mentioned it like way off there on a couple
Speaker 4: of them, but he just didn't really look like he
Speaker 4: could be sped up tonight. And then on the defensive end,
Speaker 4: I thought he also was fantastic, really getting into the
Speaker 4: grill of Jason Datum. Now, I think, look, the Celtic
Speaker 4: did themselves no favors tonight. I thought they're passing and
Speaker 4: they're taking care of the ball. Was absolutely abysmal, and
Speaker 4: they couldn't hit free throws, they couldn't hit three pointers,
Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden they couldn't miss three pointers.
Speaker 4: But ultimately, I think the Celtics I just cannot believe
Speaker 4: how careless they are with the ball. Their first five
Speaker 4: or six turnoves weren't necessarily pressure defense. It was just
Speaker 4: like sloppy offense here. So for the Celtics absolutely they're
Speaker 4: going to kick themselves because you get a game like this, now,
Speaker 4: it's funny. You want Steph Curry to get support from
Speaker 4: his teammates, but you also don't expect him to be
Speaker 4: quite as bad as he was tonight, not even hitting
Speaker 4: a three for the first time I believe in his
Speaker 4: playoff career. But the Warriors win this game comfortably in
Speaker 4: the end, and so the Celtics had a great chance
Speaker 4: here tonight, and ultimately I think they've got themselves to blame.
Speaker 4: But also Andrew Wiggins stepped up in the moment, and
Speaker 4: Klay Thompson, who's also been a little bit up and
Speaker 4: down in the final series here, he was also fantastic.
Speaker 4: So but the game sort of turned with Jordan Puul
Speaker 4: hit that wild three at the end of the third
Speaker 4: quarter there, banking it in incredible stuff there, and then
Speaker 4: the Warriors just pulled away because the Celtics turned the
Speaker 4: third quarter on its head. They actually played the Warriors
Speaker 4: in that third quarter, but ultimately that doesn't matter if
Speaker 4: then you can't score in the fourth quarter. So crazy
Speaker 4: to see, man, the Warriors now one went away from
Speaker 4: another championship.
Speaker 1: I think it was Wiggins that went and got that
Speaker 1: rebound too to kick it out to Pool who got
Speaker 1: the cord too.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean he's just the work. He's doing it, just
Speaker 1: going and gobbling up rebounds. Tray, as a big Beef fan,
Speaker 1: you must be relegive like he is. Just like I mean,
Speaker 1: he was looking as he should be, especially when he
Speaker 1: was drafted, like the most athletic player out on the floor,
Speaker 1: and he's just like going up in like just snatching rebounds.
Speaker 1: It's like these last couple of games, where were.
Speaker 5: You the Knight? Andrew Wiggins became Wiggins Island. This was
Speaker 5: incredible stuff from this guy. I don't know if Slim
Speaker 5: Jim is like an all Beef product, but potential nickname
Speaker 5: for Wiggins the way he's born out there, because the
Speaker 5: guy is springy and snappy. Shout out to my guy,
Speaker 5: macho man, Randy Savage. But honestly, Wiggins was the best
Speaker 5: player from in the game. From the tip. He was
Speaker 5: driving hard to the rim, attacking space. In the third
Speaker 5: quarter he kind of disappeared. That was the only quarter
Speaker 5: where he wasn't really doing much offensively, but he was
Speaker 5: bringing it defensively against Tatum and then hitting the glass
Speaker 5: and able to really you know, put a dagger on things.
Speaker 5: That dunk was not the end of the game, but
Speaker 5: it certainly felt like the end of the game. And
Speaker 5: it felt like this is the Andrew Wiggins game. The
Speaker 5: Celtics got to win in Game one on an Al
Speaker 5: Horford game. Now the Warriors are gett to win on
Speaker 5: an Andrew Wiggins game. You gotta get a random performance
Speaker 5: from one of your non stars to win in the
Speaker 5: NBA Finals. The Warriors got that tonight. I'm with Lee.
Speaker 5: This was a winnable game for the Celtics except for
Speaker 5: they kept turning the ball over. Eighteen turnovers obviously way
Speaker 5: too many, but just a streaky, streaky game for a
Speaker 5: streaky team. Skeets, I know you didn't. You thought it
Speaker 5: was pivotal, But you can't go into Game six thinking
Speaker 5: this thing's over Already. We've seen the Celtics bounce back
Speaker 5: time and time again. The Warrior's got a crazy performance
Speaker 5: from Andrew Wiggins to pull off the win here. Like
Speaker 5: Lee said, Pool was instrumental kind of cracking things open
Speaker 5: before really unleashing everything in the fourth quarter. This series
Speaker 5: feels like it turns every fifteen minutes of gameplay. You know,
Speaker 5: it felt like it was over in the first quarter.
Speaker 5: Then the Celtics good in this. Then the Warriors were back,
Speaker 5: and Andrew Wiggins is suddenly looking like Mapel Jordan out there,
Speaker 5: who knows what's going on. Wiggins was incredible though to
Speaker 5: watch tonight.
Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, you're right. I mean, still, it's a game
Speaker 1: five guys, we kept the game pivotal. Then suddenly you
Speaker 1: guys are telling me it's not I didn't like that,
Speaker 1: But I also feel like the Warriors.
Speaker 2: Won the championship tonight. I think that.
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna be beaten twice in a row.
Speaker 1: But that all said. You said it, Trey. It's like
Speaker 1: up is down, down is up half the time in
Speaker 1: this series, like you think you've figured it out. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: the Warriors, they dominate the third quarter, that's their thing,
Speaker 1: and then suddenly it's the Celtics thing. And you said it, Lee,
Speaker 1: nobody can hit a three for quarters at a time,
Speaker 1: and then nobody can the three, like just because the
Speaker 1: fluctuation is sort of all over the map here. But yeah,
Speaker 1: what else from the Warriors tonight? You know impress I
Speaker 1: mean obviously Wiggins task, but other moves that Kerr made,
Speaker 1: you know, minutes from like Gary Pitton.
Speaker 2: Second, what else jumped out to you?
Speaker 3: Well, just first on Wiggins because obviously he's not a
Speaker 3: number one guy in the NBA, but he was a
Speaker 3: number one guy tonight and they needed him to be.
Speaker 3: I thought in the fourth quarter at the beginning of
Speaker 3: that fourth quarter, when they Curry was sitting on the bench,
Speaker 3: they needed a guy to go to and there was
Speaker 3: a possession where you know, he kind of had the
Speaker 3: ball up top. Usual Wiggins, we would think, okay, he'll
Speaker 3: pass the ball, but from up top, he just decided,
Speaker 3: I'm going directly to the hoop, hard drive for a score.
Speaker 3: And you know, we've been saying that the team has
Speaker 3: been riding Steph Curry's back all series. Totally true. He
Speaker 3: was a fantastic decoy tonight, fantastic passer tonight, but they
Speaker 3: rode Wiggins back tonight. And another thing, he played forty
Speaker 3: three minutes, led the team in minutes. Again. It's something
Speaker 3: that you know, we talked about the other the other day,
Speaker 3: the A. C. Green Award the most resilient, the guy
Speaker 3: who plays day in and day out. Andrew Wiggins has
Speaker 3: done that his whole career. And they've leaned on him
Speaker 3: to be that guy to to defend the other guy's
Speaker 3: or the other team's best player throughout the playoffs. He
Speaker 3: did another good job on Jason Tatum force him into
Speaker 3: an air ball there in the fourth quarter. And uh yeah,
Speaker 3: he's he's the A C. Green Award. I know you
Speaker 3: want to hand out also a Most Valuable Canadian Award
Speaker 3: in the final seats. I think he might win it.
Speaker 2: He's got that locked up. Yeah for sure. I think
Speaker 2: that's I don't think Stu is going to steal it
Speaker 2: from him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I couldn't think of another one.
Speaker 4: Yeah he is the other one.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been a rock. He has been a rock. Amazing, amazing,
Speaker 3: and yeah, just to see him play with some some force,
Speaker 3: it's it's on Wiggins like but yeah. On the day
Speaker 3: we talked about Steph Curry being the best stef he
Speaker 3: ever was one hundred and thirty two straight playoff games.
Speaker 3: He had hit a three in until tonight. Until his
Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty third, he just kept missing shots.
Speaker 3: So you could see him with his assistant coaches like,
Speaker 3: what the hell is going on with my flick and
Speaker 3: it ain't going down? What is happening, and that was
Speaker 3: odd to see. But yeah, he was setting guys up.
Speaker 3: He was playing hard on defense. And the scary part
Speaker 3: for the Boston Celtics is they saw the Warriors get
Speaker 3: performances from so many guys not named Steph at home.
Speaker 3: You know, things can change the other way. But I
Speaker 3: guess the clutch time minutes in this series have mattered.
Speaker 3: The worry and the coming into this series that the
Speaker 3: Boston Celtics hadn't been very good even in the postseason
Speaker 3: and the last two rounds in clutch time. He saw
Speaker 3: it in Game four. Obviously, Tray brought up Game one
Speaker 3: where they demolished the Warriors, that huge comeback, but that
Speaker 3: was different. It wasn't really you know, an uppercut versus
Speaker 3: upper cut boxing type fight where you guys throw a
Speaker 3: big shot, we throw a big shot. They got the
Speaker 3: momentum at the beginning of that game in the four,
Speaker 3: started the beginning of that fourth quarter and just kept rolling.
Speaker 3: They just haven't had, you know, that typical finals game
Speaker 3: where they you know, took a big shot from the
Speaker 3: other team and then respond and took a big shot
Speaker 3: from the team that responded. They were two and four
Speaker 3: in the last two rounds in games that went to
Speaker 3: clutch time, games that went down to the wire, and
Speaker 3: they just haven't been able to do that. We just
Speaker 3: saw two bad games where they just flubbed in the
Speaker 3: fourth quarter, and they really haven't done it this series.
Speaker 3: I know Game one was somewhat of it ended up
Speaker 3: being clutch time, but it was a different game to me.
Speaker 3: So that's that's kind of scary going forward because it's
Speaker 3: like they have to blow out the Warriors to win.
Speaker 2: Why do you think that is? Why do you think
Speaker 2: that's happened? Right? I mean, do you have a guess?
Speaker 3: Is it?
Speaker 1: You know they're still quote unquote young. It's a lack
Speaker 1: of experience. Warriors have been here, done that, you know,
Speaker 1: not that Wigins has, But like, what do you think the.
Speaker 5: Celtics tend to get away from the things they do
Speaker 5: best at the absolute worst times? You know? I felt
Speaker 5: like Jalen Brown was playing in a crowd almost the
Speaker 5: entirety of tonight. He just could not get loose for
Speaker 5: the For the most part of the game, Tatum was
Speaker 5: at his best when he was able to get to
Speaker 5: his step back jumpers, and at his worst when he
Speaker 5: was trying to create inside and not necessarily be able
Speaker 5: to find fine teammates. The things that always work best
Speaker 5: for the Celtics are like simple plays, keeping things going,
Speaker 5: move it side to side, keep going. But the Celtics
Speaker 5: were taken out of their actions by the Warriors. They
Speaker 5: should have been able to feast inside a little bit here.
Speaker 5: You know, they got no points basically from Al Horford.
Speaker 5: Robert Williams didn't have the same impact that he's been having.
Speaker 5: You have looney and foul trouble for most of this game.
Speaker 5: Draymond Green filed out for the third time in five
Speaker 5: Finals games, an amazing stat the Dale Davis Award. You
Speaker 5: would think the Celtics would be able to get something
Speaker 5: going inside with both of the Warriors two interior defenders
Speaker 5: mostly glued to the bench or at least only able
Speaker 5: to go with one big for most of the time.
Speaker 5: But for you know, the past four or five seasons,
Speaker 5: there have been times when the Celtics turned into a
Speaker 5: jump shooting team, and there have been times, certainly in
Speaker 5: this Finals, when they really had trouble with the crowds
Speaker 5: that are inside in the paint that the Warriors are
Speaker 5: able to do when they're swarming because they know what
Speaker 5: they're sending late help, they might be able to get
Speaker 5: a steal. They got eighteen turnovers tonight, We're able to
Speaker 5: turn that into a whole bunch of points. The Celtics
Speaker 5: just seemed to make things harder on themselves than they
Speaker 5: need to, and it happens quite a bit, quite a bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jaellen Brown ended up with five turnovers.
Speaker 1: Lee and tatled with four and Jalalen Brown had a
Speaker 1: really bad game. He picked a bad timing in the finals.
Speaker 1: Here to go five of eighteen and he couldn't hit
Speaker 1: a three. So add him to the list of guys
Speaker 1: that couldn't hit one tonight. But the five turnovers and
Speaker 1: just you know, he got to the line. I mean
Speaker 1: he was attacking, but they were I mean Dreamond was
Speaker 1: on him a lot, and switches and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: They sort of bottled him up and realized, you know,
Speaker 1: making him have to put it on the ground in
Speaker 1: with bodies that reaching in and probably grabbing a little bit,
Speaker 1: that's he could be in for a.
Speaker 2: Long night and that was a rough one for him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was definitely trying to force the action. The
Speaker 4: interesting dilemma that they have there is Robert Williams was
Speaker 4: a plus eleven in his minutes tonight. He's the only
Speaker 4: one who finished in a positive for the Celtics. So again,
Speaker 4: once he's out on the floor, and I think you
Speaker 4: saw it late when they took him out and Steph
Speaker 4: drove inside and got that left handed layup for a
Speaker 4: team and a guy who'd been struggling. Steph basically saw
Speaker 4: no Robert Williams and said, all right, well, I'll just
Speaker 4: go inside then, because no one else can protect the
Speaker 4: paint and the rim in the same way he can.
Speaker 4: But again, I wonder if it's to do with the injury,
Speaker 4: his stamina or whatever it is the Dudoka is going with.
Speaker 4: Maybe he's trying to get more offense and trying to
Speaker 4: spread the floor, But quite simply, Robert Williams when he
Speaker 4: is on the on the court, he's been extremely effective
Speaker 4: for Boston this entire series. So I think he has
Speaker 4: to figure out a way to not have maybe him
Speaker 4: and Horford out there at the same time and just
Speaker 4: see if Williams, because we've seen with his speed and
Speaker 4: his athleticism, he can get out and sort of cover
Speaker 4: shots so he can make up for lost ground there
Speaker 4: and maybe that's what Udoka needs to do more of
Speaker 4: in game six. I thought Draymond Green though tonight, was
Speaker 4: actually much better certainly. I mean, he basically just had
Speaker 4: to turn up and be better than he was there
Speaker 4: in Game four. But what I liked is early on
Speaker 4: he attacked the pain and he got that big dunk,
Speaker 4: and he was sort of making smarter moves tonight. You know,
Speaker 4: he only ended up finishing with a handful of points there,
Speaker 4: but I just he finished eight points, eight rebound, seven sists,
Speaker 4: and he did foul out. Okay, not great, but that's
Speaker 4: sort of the way he plays, you know, he pushes
Speaker 4: things to the limit there. But he just seemed to
Speaker 4: be certainly he rebounded from that terrible Game four and
Speaker 4: that was really I think early on you wanted to
Speaker 4: sort of see that, and I think he did set
Speaker 4: the tone a little bit there. So that was huge,
Speaker 4: I think for the Golden State Warriors, and then Clay
Speaker 4: Thompson as well. He obviously picked up his game and
Speaker 4: continues to. He's not quite looking like Clay but maybe
Speaker 4: and hopefully we get massive Game six play again, that
Speaker 4: would be all to close out there in Boston for him.
Speaker 4: But yeah, this one for the Celtics, they're going to
Speaker 4: look back at this one and just figure out or
Speaker 4: try to figure out, like, how do we get that
Speaker 4: best lineup out there on the floor at all times and.
Speaker 2: Go back to because basically, the Celtics.
Speaker 4: Won seven and a half quarters of Game three and
Speaker 4: four in Boston. They lose that last half of the
Speaker 4: last quarter and end up losing the game. But other
Speaker 4: than that, and what I noticed was they were attacking inside,
Speaker 4: just trying to go at Steph, trying to get him
Speaker 4: basically into the paint, mustling him into the paint and score.
Speaker 4: Marcus Smartt did a ton of that in Game three
Speaker 4: and he's gone really a long way away from that.
Speaker 4: So I think that's what it is for the Celtics
Speaker 4: is is take smarter shots and god damn it, keep
Speaker 4: better possession of the ball.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: I was frustrated sitting in the house here by myself,
Speaker 4: just going these guys. If I did that when I
Speaker 4: was in under twelves, i'd be on the bench. But
Speaker 4: they're just sloppily just the pine. But the thing is
Speaker 4: they haven't learnt this lesson themselves throughout the playoffs. They
Speaker 4: did exactly the same thing against the Bucks and they
Speaker 4: did the same thing against the Miami. He remember Jimmy
Speaker 4: Butler just coming in and stealing the ball because Titum,
Speaker 4: as great as he's been, he's gonna he kind of
Speaker 4: just drop the ball off and expect these teammate's gonna
Speaker 4: get it in the fun was you gotta put a
Speaker 4: bit of mustard on that ball and make sure your
Speaker 4: teammate gets it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean some credit has to go to the
Speaker 1: Warriors defense, which is as well.
Speaker 2: I thought.
Speaker 1: I thought, actually, what was happening in this game here
Speaker 1: is the defense is at such a high level, like
Speaker 1: the individual defensive players at players, and then of course
Speaker 1: the schemes that they're running and switches and just the effort,
Speaker 1: just the effort and like the rest, like letting the
Speaker 1: guys like wrestle a little bit. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: contact off ball if you just like actually stop watching
Speaker 1: the ball and watch like guys fighting through picks or
Speaker 1: coming around things. There's so much grab it and stuff,
Speaker 1: and they're just like let them battle that it like
Speaker 1: caught up to these teams by the end of the game.
Speaker 1: I thought they looked exhausted. I thought they looked like
Speaker 1: they had just ran up run a marathon, especially the Celtics.
Speaker 1: They were so tired looking as this game went on.
Speaker 1: Tast in my opinion, uh from which made sense, just
Speaker 1: the battle that they had been going through and the
Speaker 1: Celtics to get back in the game there in the
Speaker 1: third quarter that they ran out of gas here it
Speaker 1: appeared to me a little bit too. But I mean,
Speaker 1: just a defensive intensity from both sides really is next level.
Speaker 3: I think, Yeah, they had a serious plan coming into
Speaker 3: Game five. The Warriors did. I thought they played their
Speaker 3: best defensive first quarter of the series. They really hadn't
Speaker 3: made their mark defensively in a first quarter until this
Speaker 3: one where they were real swarming on Jason Tatum, showing
Speaker 3: him bodies wherever. And the Jalen Brown plan was like
Speaker 3: six hands at the rim, you know, let him, let
Speaker 3: him drive and then he won't be able to finish
Speaker 3: over us and that kind of got in his head.
Speaker 3: Wiggins blocked him in the first quarter there on a
Speaker 3: nice help play and yeah, he just couldn't finish. And
Speaker 3: then we saw a little bit in the fourth quarter
Speaker 3: of that sloppy Jalen Brown dribbling a football type thing
Speaker 3: where he just dropped the ball twice on two straight
Speaker 3: possessions where they just needed somebody to write the ship.
Speaker 3: It was about seven minutes left when they had that
Speaker 3: bad Marcus Smart stretch and they're down eight and then
Speaker 3: here comes Jalen Brown. Two possessions. He just lost the ball. Literally,
Speaker 3: it wasn't defense. He lost the ball in two possessions
Speaker 3: in a row, and then started the avalanche Tatum's air
Speaker 3: ball and and nothing going right. There's been three games
Speaker 3: here where the Warriors defense has held the Celtics to
Speaker 3: under one hundred points and the Celtics defense hasn't done
Speaker 3: that once against the Warriors one hundred plus in all
Speaker 3: five games. And a part of it is just bad
Speaker 3: execution by the Celtics and and part of it, yeah,
Speaker 3: is the Warriors throwing them off. But yes, you'd expect
Speaker 3: the guys to be able to just to hang on
Speaker 3: to the ball a little bit in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3: They've they imploded a little bit in these last two
Speaker 3: fourth quarters. I don't think there's a nice way to
Speaker 3: say it. And and that's that's going to be the
Speaker 3: story I think for them. Anyways, in the locker room,
Speaker 3: and that's what ima Udoka was talking about. I'm not
Speaker 3: so worried about our defense, got to do something on
Speaker 3: offense and it didn't happen again.
Speaker 5: He was kind of a liar though about that defense,
Speaker 5: because he was said he was happy with letting Steph
Speaker 5: score a whole bunch of points and limiting the rest
Speaker 5: of the Warriors. He completely changed that up for Game five.
Speaker 5: They were all over Curry in this game, did a
Speaker 5: really good job of limingen, limiting him only sixteen points
Speaker 5: obviously zero for nine from three. They did a great
Speaker 5: job of taking away Curry, but then the rest of
Speaker 5: the Warriors actually stepped up. Maybe not the most efficient games,
Speaker 5: but Wiggins showed up, Clay showed up, Pool showed up.
Speaker 5: They needed each of them for little eight minute segments
Speaker 5: when Curry wasn't able to get going, and that was
Speaker 5: kind of a strength in numbers approach from the Warriors
Speaker 5: that really worked out. You look at what the Celtics
Speaker 5: got from their bench, basically nothing. Derek White one point
Speaker 5: in twenty one minutes. Graham Williams hit won three and
Speaker 5: that's it for the competitive portion of the game. That's
Speaker 5: why it's kind of tough for them to find their
Speaker 5: best lineup in this game. When you really think back
Speaker 5: on the way. The game went nine turnovers in the
Speaker 5: first half for the Celtics, another nine in the second
Speaker 5: half for the Celtics. Basically, they got hot in the
Speaker 5: third quarter, made eight threes and that's why they were
Speaker 5: even close and competitive in this game. Otherwise it was
Speaker 5: a turnover fest. But that's something coming into the series
Speaker 5: that we all knew was gonna happen at some point.
Speaker 5: For the Celtics, it happened a little bit early in
Speaker 5: the series. They did a good job of taking care
Speaker 5: of the ball. Fell apart in the fourth quarter, no
Speaker 5: doubt in Game four, but in general have cared for
Speaker 5: the ball pretty well until tonight when it was just
Speaker 5: a disaster and the worst possible time.
Speaker 3: So Lou Cornett came in and hit a three.
Speaker 2: That's right beautiful, It's very beautiful.
Speaker 1: So lead back to Wiggins here, because you know Wiggins
Speaker 1: Island is I mean, you can't you could, you can't even.
Speaker 2: Hope to get a property right now.
Speaker 1: It's like throughout this postseason, into the finals and after
Speaker 1: Game five, people are even saying, now it's gonna get
Speaker 1: They're gonna get greedy there with Wiggins Island. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be like archipelago where it's just gonna they're gonna, like
Speaker 1: like United Arab memorates, They're just gonna build islands out
Speaker 1: of sand and stuff like that. Just more so you
Speaker 1: can really take advantage of this hot run here. But
Speaker 1: can you up in the butt right now for everyone?
Speaker 1: This chatter that I definitely saw on Twitter. Who knows
Speaker 1: if it's hashtag sarcasm or not, but like, he is
Speaker 1: Andrew Wiggins going to steal finals MVP here?
Speaker 3: Isly?
Speaker 1: I mean, should he be getting more consideration for finals MVP?
Speaker 1: You know he was playing great defense, He is having
Speaker 1: some pretty good games here. What do you say to
Speaker 1: those people tweeting such things? Are you pro or con't?
Speaker 4: No, I'm definitely got He's not going to steal it
Speaker 4: from Steph. There's no way in the world. He's definitely
Speaker 4: going to get the three Brownlow Medal votes for today's game.
Speaker 2: Sure, no question about that.
Speaker 4: But Steph is this is the one game that Steph
Speaker 4: can afford to not have a great one because the
Speaker 4: chances of Andrew Wiggins having another game of this standard
Speaker 4: are not very high. I don't think he was very
Speaker 4: good in last game, but this was his high watermark.
Speaker 4: I believe certainly for the series. Now, maybe he proves
Speaker 4: me wrong in Game six and has another great game.
Speaker 4: Even if he does, and even if the Warriors win,
Speaker 4: it's still Steph's to lose here for Finals MVP because
Speaker 4: of everything else that he's done in the prior four
Speaker 4: games to this one. But yeah, you know, like on
Speaker 4: Twitter these days, I mean, you can't just go out
Speaker 4: there and say something. You've got to start a fight,
Speaker 4: don't you got to start You're going.
Speaker 3: To cause trouble.
Speaker 5: You've got to throw something and.
Speaker 2: Get people going crazy.
Speaker 4: I mean, but that's also kind of how Marcus Smart
Speaker 4: one Defensive Player of the Year. It was basically off
Speaker 4: of Twitter narrative.
Speaker 5: Wasn't it.
Speaker 2: So you got to plant your flag exactly exactly.
Speaker 4: Maybe if you can just sew enough doubt in the
Speaker 4: in the in the minds of the voters, maybe Wiggins
Speaker 4: can get a couple of votes here, But no, Steph
Speaker 4: Curry is going to win the award if the Warriors
Speaker 4: win the championship, which they very well likely to do so. Now,
Speaker 4: even if it goes to another couple of games.
Speaker 2: Here and task, do you agree with what is said?
Speaker 3: No, give it to give it to it'll just make
Speaker 3: Steph hungrier to win next year or the year after that.
Speaker 3: Of course, of course Andrew Wigans should win it. He's
Speaker 3: going to win the inaugural, The Valuable Canadian Award and
Speaker 3: Finals MVP.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think this is happening, But I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess you could talk yourself into like a thirty
Speaker 1: point triple double Wiggins game six victory and like a.
Speaker 2: Twelve point Steph game.
Speaker 1: I would that do it? I don't know he'd get
Speaker 1: some votes probably, I don't think i'd still do it.
Speaker 1: I think Kurry will still win this.
Speaker 5: There's no way, come on, like Curry just Curry would
Speaker 5: have to miss every three for the rest of the series.
Speaker 5: I think to even make this close, how many assists
Speaker 5: does Wiggins have in the series? He's he had six before.
Speaker 3: This, kid you want him to do he can't do
Speaker 3: it all scoring.
Speaker 5: He doesn't even have doesn't even have a triple double
Speaker 5: with assists yet in the finals. That would be crazy.
Speaker 5: Then that's a good point. That's a good point.
Speaker 2: You might get it.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's do the the brown Low then for tonight,
Speaker 1: why don't you take the first crack at it and
Speaker 1: just for those that are new to the show here
Speaker 1: see a lot of people joining us here live on YouTube.
Speaker 2: Shout out to this dream teamers, both new and old.
Speaker 1: We've been doing the old AFL rules here for every
Speaker 1: finals game, where we give out three votes for the
Speaker 1: best player of the game, two votes for the second
Speaker 1: best player, one vote for the third best player, and
Speaker 1: the ideas. You add them all up at the end
Speaker 1: and that'll be your finals MVP. So Wiggins is a
Speaker 1: no brainer league getting the three votes for finals MVP
Speaker 1: of game five.
Speaker 2: But yeah, who gets the second and third place? The
Speaker 2: one and two? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Well you know again in the brown lew you read
Speaker 4: the one first, the two second, and the three to third,
Speaker 4: So I'll start with the number one.
Speaker 5: Finally explains why you always do your lists backwards. Yeah,
Speaker 5: who knows?
Speaker 4: So look again, Yeah, I think there's a couple of
Speaker 4: guys in contention for that first vote. I thought overall
Speaker 4: Tatum was pretty good for the Celtics. I thought Jordan
Speaker 4: Pool in the sort of end of the third and
Speaker 4: into the fourth was okay there, but I think ultimately
Speaker 4: Golden State warriores one vote. D Green I thought he
Speaker 4: was just I just thought he was better. I mean, look,
Speaker 4: step Step I don't think deserves a vote tonight. I
Speaker 4: think he was really largely unimpactful. And then outside of that,
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, Looney didn't really do anything. Obviously,
Speaker 4: no one else really contributed. So two votes Golden State
Speaker 4: Warriors Kay Thompson. I think overall he was pretty much
Speaker 4: the second best player out there.
Speaker 3: Hit.
Speaker 4: I think he finished with five threes, kind of quiet
Speaker 4: five there for him, but hit some big ones and
Speaker 4: the one where Marcus Smart. They showed the replay of
Speaker 4: it where Marcus Smart goes down, he's appealing for the
Speaker 4: offensive foul as he's still sliding, and Clay basically just
Speaker 4: shakes his head, knocks in the three and then he
Speaker 4: goes down the other end. He was saying something I
Speaker 4: couldn't lip breath, but I think it was words to
Speaker 4: the effect of that's a flop, motherfucker, or something like that.
Speaker 4: So you know, ultimately, Marcus Smart, I love his intensity,
Speaker 4: I love his defensive efforts, but also these flops do
Speaker 4: sometimes come up to bite him in the backside, and
Speaker 4: I think they did there tonight. So I'm going with
Speaker 4: Raimon with one vote. Great Bounce Back Game. Two votes
Speaker 4: for Klay Thompson and of course a Wiggins three votes.
Speaker 1: Okay, the task can you make You're fine with that
Speaker 1: voting ballot.
Speaker 3: Or I'm not. I'm not fine. That was a flop
Speaker 3: of a Selectionally, that was a flop, mother flopper. You
Speaker 3: missed on all three. No, Well, obviously Wiggins gets three
Speaker 3: votes one vote, I'm not sure how it works.
Speaker 2: Not three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you like there's a reason they don't do this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously Wiggins. Uh, you know, I'm with Lee that steph. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he obviously had a bad shooting night, but he did
Speaker 3: become an incredible decoy out there and they had to
Speaker 3: face guard him. And that's why Wiggins made up his
Speaker 3: mind and said, well, they're taking away our best player.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to be our best player out there,
Speaker 3: and he did an incredible job of it. So Wiggins
Speaker 3: is in that spot. But I'm gonna go with after Clay.
Speaker 3: I'll throw Clay in second. I'm gonna go with Curry
Speaker 3: third because because of his impact. I understand Dre had
Speaker 3: a solid game and Pool hit that fantastic banker, but
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give Draymond Green another quick award. Besides the
Speaker 3: top three votes, I will go with the most entertaining
Speaker 3: comment I saw in a chat group for Draymond Green.
Speaker 3: So he was like the chat award. I don't know
Speaker 3: what to call it, but you know that that jam
Speaker 3: that he had early in the game, it was a
Speaker 3: classic Draymond Green fake dribble handoff drive into an empty
Speaker 3: lane for a big jam. I saw our buddy Grish
Speaker 3: say that fake dribble handoff dunk was sick. Who would
Speaker 3: say that? Who would say a fake dribble handout and
Speaker 3: into an empty lane? So that was.
Speaker 2: A lot.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was the sikest play in I think. No.
Speaker 3: I think he had a crossover later when he was
Speaker 3: feeling good. He crossed over Derek White and got into
Speaker 3: the lane and hit a little floaty float from ten foot. Anyways,
Speaker 3: I just wanted to get that comment in there, so
Speaker 3: I just made up an award. So yeah, you can't.
Speaker 3: I don't think you can Celtic it up, can you, Tray?
Speaker 5: I wouldn't give any votes to the Celtics, you know.
Speaker 5: Tatum I thought had an interesting game, twenty seven points
Speaker 5: on ten to twenty shooting, and it felt like all
Speaker 5: ten of his misses were airballs. It's like he was
Speaker 5: either making the shot or coming up completely short. I thought,
Speaker 5: you know, his first stint, he looked like Van Gunny
Speaker 5: was saying, he looks tentative, and I thought that was
Speaker 5: absolutely true. Looked a lot better coming back after that.
Speaker 5: Looked great in the third quarter, but in the fourth
Speaker 5: settling a little bit too much for jumpers and just
Speaker 5: kind of couldn't save the Celtics when they absolutely needed savings.
Speaker 5: So Tatum I thought, was very up and down, just
Speaker 5: like the Celtics were there in the entire night. He's
Speaker 5: kind of emblemaca of their problems. I guess maybe you
Speaker 5: would say, as Jalen Brown goes, so go the Celtics
Speaker 5: more so. But Tatum, I thought he had a productive night,
Speaker 5: but not necessarily the most impactful night that we've seen.
Speaker 5: The only other guy would consider, Hey, what about these votes?
Speaker 5: Gary Payton the second fifteen points off the bench, three steals,
Speaker 5: five boards, was kind of all over the place as
Speaker 5: a cutter, six of eight from the field. Just a
Speaker 5: little extra energy and he gives you enough defense that
Speaker 5: you can play a tiny, tiny lineup and get a
Speaker 5: lot of shooting out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he was playing center at one point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if I remember correctly there in the first half, I
Speaker 1: thought he was great. I definitely think he could be
Speaker 1: in consideration. And then Pool like just doing what they
Speaker 1: want Pool to do. Hey, turn the game on its head, man,
Speaker 1: like just come out, fire away. Now he gets exposed.
Speaker 1: They were going at him like that was becoming a
Speaker 1: bit of a you know, a storyline in this game,
Speaker 1: at least early on, and they kept pointing it out
Speaker 1: in the broadcast and rightfully so. But he did hit
Speaker 1: those like two threes at the end of the third quarter.
Speaker 2: Because you had Clay. You had Clay.
Speaker 1: Hitting two threes near the end of the third court
Speaker 1: after the Dubs had missed fourteen straight if I remember correctly,
Speaker 1: and then and then I guess, yeah, then it was Pool.
Speaker 1: They're hitting the crazy buzzer beater and he finished with
Speaker 1: a couple of what three yeah, three for six from
Speaker 1: downtown overall, so fourteen points for Pool, and you know
Speaker 1: that's that, honestly, is like at this point in the finals, Hey, man,
Speaker 1: give us fifteen minutes and hit three threes and yeah,
Speaker 1: you're gonna give some back on the other end, but
Speaker 1: make sure one of those threes feels like ten points
Speaker 1: with the crowd going crazy as he banks it in
Speaker 1: and holy crap, did that just get off his fingertips?
Speaker 1: Like that was a wicked replay the shot behind where
Speaker 1: the ball you.
Speaker 5: Could like almost see the clock through the gap his
Speaker 5: fingertip and the ball. But I'm with these skates, it's
Speaker 5: like they only need, you know, ten to fourteen points
Speaker 5: from pool, but hopefully they come when Steph Curry is
Speaker 5: sitting down and he could just carry the offense for
Speaker 5: a little bit. And that's exactly what it was tonight,
Speaker 5: right at the end of the third quarter, beginning in
Speaker 5: the fourth, getting the Warriors back into the game, giving
Speaker 5: him a lead, and then Curry comes back and you're
Speaker 5: you're laughing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he got under Marcus smart skin there a
Speaker 3: few minutes into the fourth. That's a a huge bonus
Speaker 3: if you're getting that from Jordan Poole and Marcus Smart
Speaker 3: was having that that stretch we've seen Marcus Smart do.
Speaker 3: He was just forcing it. He thought he needs me
Speaker 3: here to just just give him everything I got and
Speaker 3: sometimes it's a little too much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you even saw Al Horford. I think he was
Speaker 2: going over to him like, hey man, you gotta chill out.
Speaker 5: We're letting go of the roping everywhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean Paul got him.
Speaker 2: He totally flopped. He totally sold it.
Speaker 3: Lee.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a bad brutal call, but you
Speaker 1: know it's one smart gets people on the forest. It's
Speaker 1: tough to be too upset about it.
Speaker 4: I guess Marcus Smart like just disgusted when someone else
Speaker 4: flops and the refs call that. He just cannot believe it.
Speaker 4: But Jordan Poole had a burst there of about ninety
Speaker 4: seconds I think in the second quarter where turned it over,
Speaker 4: just missed the three pointer by him, I joinked it off.
Speaker 4: I think it was be Elites'S head there, and it
Speaker 4: just looked like everything he was doing was just gonna
Speaker 4: benefit the Celtics. So you know, that's the thing with
Speaker 4: a young player like that though, And I think Steve
Speaker 4: Kerse sat him down for a while and then he
Speaker 4: just hoped that he would go out there and be better,
Speaker 4: and he was and he did hit some sort of
Speaker 4: you know, momentum changing threes there.
Speaker 2: For the Warriors, So he was good in that part.
Speaker 2: But overall, I.
Speaker 4: Think, you know, he was not as good as Draymon,
Speaker 4: not as effect of his dream on For me, anyway.
Speaker 1: So task like looking ahead here at a Game six,
Speaker 1: I mean, we go back to Boston now, So this
Speaker 1: this whole stat that was being shared every you know,
Speaker 1: ten minutes, it felt like on Twitter about the Celtics
Speaker 1: always bounced back after a loss here in the postseason.
Speaker 1: Well that's dead now having lost years, so that.
Speaker 2: That streak is over.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are I don't know
Speaker 1: what the line is for Game six. I wonder if
Speaker 1: Celtics will be favored as the home team, but they
Speaker 1: haven't been all that great there, Like what do you
Speaker 1: think here moving back to Boston?
Speaker 2: Like, is this gonna is the season ending on what
Speaker 2: Thursday night? Or are we going to Game seven?
Speaker 5: Baby?
Speaker 3: So we're going back to Boston. Let me clarify because
Speaker 3: we had this problem after Game four on the Immediate
Speaker 3: Reaction podcast, we said we're going back. Li said, We're
Speaker 3: going back to Boston. I was confused, Lee, are you
Speaker 3: going back to Boston? No? No, no, okay, just confirming
Speaker 3: I don't know, so we're going back to Boston here.
Speaker 3: I think collectively, many collectively, I think the Warriors have
Speaker 3: the advantage here. Again, I think it comes back to
Speaker 3: fourth quarter execution. I think that Steph probably bounces back
Speaker 3: and they've got a lot of the momentum. Is there
Speaker 3: momentum between games? Not really, but I think everybody playing
Speaker 3: pretty well for them. The fact that Draymond Green can
Speaker 3: now score, that's a big big factor. You had Kevon
Speaker 3: Loodey in crazy foul trouble that probably doesn't happen again.
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of good things going for
Speaker 3: the Warriors if there if we have a close game,
Speaker 3: which my feeling is that, but the Warriors are going
Speaker 3: to get to a close game down the way. I
Speaker 3: like the Dubs, even though I'm sure the Celtics will
Speaker 3: feel good at home.
Speaker 4: What do you think, Lee, Well, the Celtics are the
Speaker 4: early favorite, four point favorite. The line I just saw
Speaker 4: so interesting there. But look, the Celtics have been in
Speaker 4: this position before. They were down against the Milwaukee Bucks
Speaker 4: in fact that to go and win Game six in
Speaker 4: Milwaukee and they came back. But I also just think
Speaker 4: this is a different situation now, and I think the
Speaker 4: Warriors experience has just started to come through in the
Speaker 4: last probably five quarters here, where you know, the Celtics
Speaker 4: had a real chance to go three one up, and
Speaker 4: now they find themselves in a three to two hole instead,
Speaker 4: and they have to now win to stay alive. So
Speaker 4: all those things about you know not, you know not
Speaker 4: losing two in a row and they always bound back, well, now,
Speaker 4: I think the pressure is really on them obviously to
Speaker 4: go out there and perform at home in front of
Speaker 4: their fans. But I do think again, if they just
Speaker 4: if they take smarter shots and better shots early on
Speaker 4: and don't get themselves into a bit of a hole here,
Speaker 4: that's their best chance of at least seeing the Warriors off.
Speaker 4: But if they played the way they did tonight, where
Speaker 4: they were cold and the shots went falling and they
Speaker 4: didn't really change anything until all of a sudden the
Speaker 4: shots just started falling out of the sky and they
Speaker 4: win that third quarter. I mean, they go out and
Speaker 4: win the third quarter convincingly and lose the game. That's
Speaker 4: just crazy, because that's the one they needed to turn around.
Speaker 2: So, like you're.
Speaker 5: Saying, they got the same shots they got in the
Speaker 5: first half, they just missed them in the first half,
Speaker 5: Like they took the weirdest path ever to be shooting
Speaker 5: forty percent from three, miss your first twelve and make
Speaker 5: the last eight. So if the shots are still good, Like,
Speaker 5: why wouldn't they have a chance. Here's the hottest stat
Speaker 5: you're gonna hear going forward until Game six. The Warriors
Speaker 5: are zero to three in road elimination games these playoffs.
Speaker 5: Lost to Denver the Gentlemen's sweep, lost to Memphis in
Speaker 5: the Game six, lost to Dallas in Game five before
Speaker 5: winning it in six in Oakland or in San Francisco.
Speaker 5: I think the Celtics are gonna win game six. We
Speaker 5: go into game seven, baby oh, get the Zaza clip ready,
Speaker 5: Get it ready? I mean it's always in the stream yard.
Speaker 5: Of course, once we d playoff time, keep it there.
Speaker 2: I will accidentally delete it or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I mean I think the best way to
Speaker 1: approach this series at this point is like, whatever you
Speaker 1: think is.
Speaker 2: Gonna happen in game six, just go the opposite.
Speaker 1: I think the Warriors are gonna wrap it up, you know,
Speaker 1: just a pencil it in that we're probably going to
Speaker 1: the game seven, but we'll see, you never know. And
Speaker 1: they take care of the ball. I mean, that's the
Speaker 1: other stat you're gonna see everywhere too. When they do,
Speaker 1: they generally win, and when they don't, they tend to lose.
Speaker 1: They need all the possessions they can get and stop
Speaker 1: like just handing it to the other team of Warriors
Speaker 1: team that then your elite defense isn't set up and
Speaker 1: they just score in transition. Especially they're deadly of course,
Speaker 1: like in a sort of secondary three pointers, stepping into
Speaker 1: shots in transition. So yeah, they can take care of it.
Speaker 1: And it also might be like, like, I feel confident
Speaker 1: Tatum and Curry will have.
Speaker 2: Good games here in game six on Thursday.
Speaker 1: I believe that if they cancel each other out, it
Speaker 1: really could be like, is Wiggins continuing to play at
Speaker 1: this level or is Jalen Brown have like an awesome,
Speaker 1: you know game still in them here in this series,
Speaker 1: which you know, you could see him bouncing back because
Speaker 1: that's happened before here in the post season.
Speaker 2: So we'll see. It's not till Thursday. Got a bit
Speaker 2: of a gap, a bit of a gap or gapper.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, that's all right.
Speaker 1: Get them all rested up here and everybody healthy or
Speaker 1: at least a little healthier.
Speaker 4: Conspiracily, I've got a conspiracy theory too. What's that Adam
Speaker 4: Silva missed the game tonight? He's in health and safety protocols. Okay,
Speaker 4: he always gives out the trophy at the end of
Speaker 4: the season. Will he be out of protocols by Thursday
Speaker 4: or does he need to drag it out to Sunday?
Speaker 1: You know, he needs the extender stuff faster. Wow, that's
Speaker 1: a good conspiracy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they didn't get if he tested positive or
Speaker 4: if he was just a close contact. So yeah, you
Speaker 4: know if if the protocol is you've got to test
Speaker 4: negative twice within twenty four hours I think from whenever
Speaker 4: you've been exposed or whatever. So he's got time here
Speaker 4: for game six. But if he tested positive, maybe out
Speaker 4: for game six as well.
Speaker 1: Oh Jesus, Jesus, who would I mean, even if he's
Speaker 1: not there, if Silver can't be there and hopefully he's okay,
Speaker 1: what Mark?
Speaker 2: Yeah another Tatum? Yeah yeah, Wow.
Speaker 4: He can't be given the trophy to Jason on Thursdays.
Speaker 1: All right, he's calling a game seven. He's saying the
Speaker 1: conspiracy in here. Yeah, it's going to be set.
Speaker 2: Up for what's that Sunday night or Sunday night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Sunday night, game seven. Okay, any other notes
Speaker 1: from this one?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 1: Be it from things actually happening on the floor of
Speaker 1: the x's and oh's schemes, whatever decisions to be made
Speaker 1: or random things.
Speaker 2: So you got something.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Did you guys ever watch the TV show Family Ties?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Now do you remember they went from like
Speaker 4: missus Keaton was pregnant and then like two seasons later
Speaker 4: they had like a seven year old in the house,
Speaker 4: Andy because jay Z jay Z was on the broadcast
Speaker 4: tonight and I was like, that must.
Speaker 2: Be his daughter, but like, oh, yeah, how old is she?
Speaker 4: I feel like like she's like only five years old,
Speaker 4: but she looked like she was like a teenager on
Speaker 4: the side. She had the big hoop earrings.
Speaker 2: There. We're talking about Blue Ivy, Blue Ivy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I was a little shocked till I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: I thought she was younger.
Speaker 2: I don't know how old she.
Speaker 3: Is, yeah, but she's well.
Speaker 4: And the other cool thing is, you know, it's the
Speaker 4: same like when we saw unfortunately Gianna and Kobe together,
Speaker 4: Like you know, Kobe was just a dad with Gianna
Speaker 4: and jay Z there with his arm around Blue Ivy there,
Speaker 4: and she was kind of.
Speaker 2: Like, dad, what are you doing? Like don't embarrass me?
Speaker 4: Like and then he gave her a big sloppy kiss
Speaker 4: as well, like a big dad kiss. Like it was
Speaker 4: just a great moment, you know, the big mogul there
Speaker 4: jay Z, but he's just the dad with his daughter,
Speaker 4: and his daughter was like, all right, dad, play it
Speaker 4: cool man, come on, what's wrong with you?
Speaker 2: Okay? Great note. I'll follow it up with this one.
Speaker 1: Just a great photo from tonight's game, especially when things
Speaker 1: were slappy for a little bit.
Speaker 2: Hey, check out this.
Speaker 1: It's Grant Williams pick that I saw going around the
Speaker 1: ap that's for those listening. It's just sort of Grant
Speaker 1: Williams popping be Elites in the face and making a
Speaker 1: great sort of dirt face or something.
Speaker 5: I don't know. The punters are similar, but obviously they're
Speaker 5: a lot closer to like the Tim Duncan playing jazz
Speaker 5: I feel like, but you know, smashed much closer, like
Speaker 5: they're playing in a phone booth or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like maybe you could put yeah, like a violin
Speaker 2: for Grant.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he could feel like a viola or fiddle perhaps,
Speaker 5: and then and.
Speaker 1: Then sort of a stand up bass for billis so yeah,
Speaker 1: somebody get to a Hey, graphic Mark, get to uh
Speaker 1: work if you can.
Speaker 5: Drop some instruments by Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then the other note I had, we got a
Speaker 1: great shot of sea lions and.
Speaker 2: You know us tanning. I guess, uh at whatever pier
Speaker 2: lounging man.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's at Wigan's Island actually.
Speaker 1: Just off the shore, showing you a photo of a
Speaker 1: bunch of sea lions. I saw Spencer Hall every day
Speaker 1: should be saturday there he just it just tweeted sea
Speaker 1: lions don't give a damn never have, never will.
Speaker 3: Were they moving?
Speaker 5: I guess that's true.
Speaker 3: Were they were they still? Was it a still shot
Speaker 3: or were they moving or was that just uh my
Speaker 3: late night brain.
Speaker 2: Maybe it was a live shot. It wasn't a photo.
Speaker 2: Yeah they were.
Speaker 5: There were little maneuver here and there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not moving much.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I thought they were toking a bit. I'm
Speaker 3: sure what was happening there. They were driving.
Speaker 1: But you're a big zoo guy like uh, you like
Speaker 1: the sea lions.
Speaker 4: They usually smell when there's a big bunch of them
Speaker 4: like that, They usually they're pretty bit rough on the
Speaker 4: old nose.
Speaker 5: You're not close enough to know you're in that scenario.
Speaker 5: You're not close enough to know if you see a
Speaker 5: lion out and about you're you're marveling at the Majesty.
Speaker 5: Would we would make stops to see sea lions traveling
Speaker 5: up the Pacific Coast Highway. There's some beautiful spots where
Speaker 5: they're lounging, where they come up on these crazy rock structures. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Does it smell like fish around there? Yeah, it's the ocean.
Speaker 5: You never heard of it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they got it. It's like they're unwashed.
Speaker 4: They're the unwashed, like secrets.
Speaker 5: Do you want to bathe?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 5: What's the difference.
Speaker 4: Between a sea lion and a seal?
Speaker 5: Is the start of a joke?
Speaker 2: No, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean the is that I can't tell the difference
Speaker 4: between a sea lion and the seal. I'm just not sure.
Speaker 4: I mean, are they brown down? Are they Are they enemies?
Speaker 4: Are they friends? Are they frenemies?
Speaker 2: I mean, what's the deal there?
Speaker 4: But yeah, they're pretty agile considering that, you know, just blubbah. Really,
Speaker 4: I mean they, uh, the way they move around, they
Speaker 4: zip around, it's pretty uh, pretty effective, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I find that most sea lions look like my dog
Speaker 5: Yams as she ages because they have like, you know,
Speaker 5: like the white face. A lot of the sea lions
Speaker 5: do as she's getting older. You know, she's taking after
Speaker 5: her owner. She's graying rapidly, so she's got a very sea.
Speaker 1: Lion quality to her body is either tubular, it's small arms.
Speaker 1: I'll try and get the best, the best aquatic creature
Speaker 1: looking photo I can find of her.
Speaker 3: I think the difference is. I think the differences between
Speaker 3: a seal of sea lion is that a seal has
Speaker 3: been kissed from a rose boo. But I honestly, I
Speaker 3: think Gravante music mentions here that seals have don't have whiskers. Wow,
Speaker 3: and yeah, I think I think that's accurate. So that's
Speaker 3: why I'm not a big fantasya lions. I gotta be honest, Trey,
Speaker 3: I just don't like the whiskers. I don't want the
Speaker 3: whiskers kind of creep me out a little bit.
Speaker 1: But seal straight up, So we think we think seals
Speaker 1: don't have whiskers.
Speaker 3: I think I think that's accurate.
Speaker 2: Okay, well somebody comedian can confirm that the stream.
Speaker 1: Does anybody else have any random notes from Game five
Speaker 1: to the NBA Finals tasking anything else on your your list?
Speaker 2: There?
Speaker 3: I'm all listed out. We did a great job. We
Speaker 3: did an incredible job recapping everything that happened in this
Speaker 3: basketball game. I like Jalen Roses suit. I thought you
Speaker 3: looked great. Just reminded me.
Speaker 1: I like Lisa Salters in her leather jacket. As I said,
Speaker 1: it had the funds vibe to it. You know, we
Speaker 1: already talked about family ties. Let's make it even older.
Speaker 2: Reference that with the Happy Days funds.
Speaker 4: That's quite a compliment to pay that is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it look cool. Okay, and try anyone else of
Speaker 2: note wearing something cool.
Speaker 5: I didn't see anything.
Speaker 2: That's a great way.
Speaker 1: To possibly wrap this one up. Oh my god, good
Speaker 1: good stuff. You're not gonna find that type of insight
Speaker 1: on any other podcast out there. So that's why you
Speaker 1: got to subscribe to No Dunks on YouTube or wherever
Speaker 1: you listen and download your podcasts. We are flipping this
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Speaker 1: here in the well now early early hours of Tuesday morning.
Speaker 1: But make sure you leave a five star rating and review.
Speaker 2: No Daily Show on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: This will be the pod of record, as we like
Speaker 1: to call it.
Speaker 5: I'm glad I got that thought in then.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's good.
Speaker 3: It's right.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess you could have dropped it.
Speaker 1: Maybe you'll be doing something similar on No Breaks tomorrow
Speaker 1: or today on Tuesday.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a good point. That's actually on one pm
Speaker 5: Eastern Tuesday, Monday. It's official, Skeets. We gave out our
Speaker 5: brownlow metal votes. Don't you have a medal somewhere around there?
Speaker 1: It's in a bag still packed up cargo. People want
Speaker 1: to get by the race, bro. Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: could save it for another podcast.
Speaker 2: It's late. I get Ley to bed. But it went great.
Speaker 2: You guys talked about it this morning.
Speaker 1: I pee beat. I'm headed back to Boston. It was
Speaker 1: a really fast downhill course. The weather was incredible. It
Speaker 1: was crazy coming back to Atlanta and how hot it
Speaker 1: is here especially. I didn't see any sea lions, but
Speaker 1: I saw some big ass deer lely, that's all the
Speaker 1: biggest deer I've ever seen, like up close, Like deer
Speaker 1: are not usually that Like this is how big it was.
Speaker 2: We saw it from like one hundred yards. We were driving.
Speaker 2: I thought it was We thought it was a moose.
Speaker 2: So you were running. No, we were driving to the
Speaker 2: eventual race. We'll have to check me.
Speaker 1: You have to check my my Matt times check me
Speaker 1: in the photos. No, we thought it was a moose
Speaker 1: and we're like, holy crap, and then no, we just
Speaker 1: got closer.
Speaker 2: It is the biggest deer I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: And side note, around mile twenty three, like getting close
Speaker 1: to ending the marathon on this like it's it was
Speaker 1: a really like you know, trail race and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: We were in the like beautiful scenery like in this
Speaker 1: is basically mountain or pass, I guess, but we're coming
Speaker 1: to the end the biggest.
Speaker 2: Piece of turd.
Speaker 1: Like that I've since the farm since seeing cows do
Speaker 1: their business and you know, everybody, everybody running by, like
Speaker 1: that's the I hate to see that dog and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. Like this thing was insane and like we
Speaker 1: just kept thinking like some if somebody stepped in that
Speaker 1: their race was roote, like it would have devoured them.
Speaker 1: It was that big. So it's like the Jurassic Park.
Speaker 4: Uh turn, big big d's lead to big poos. I suppose,
Speaker 4: I mean, yes, it was.
Speaker 2: It was crazy.
Speaker 3: That's why big massive dumps was trending today.
Speaker 2: I may have been. I may have been. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyway, the race went fine, saw a big turn or
Speaker 1: the race saw big deer where they related probably, but
Speaker 1: a good report.
Speaker 5: Man's perfect.
Speaker 2: Great race.
Speaker 3: You know. Part of the part of the I guess,
Speaker 3: uh the requirement of a big turd, you know, sort
Speaker 3: of having that the proper form to create a big
Speaker 3: turd is that it just can't fall apart. You know,
Speaker 3: it could be a big turd, but somehow falls apart.
Speaker 3: But if you see like a big turd that looks
Speaker 3: like the actual.
Speaker 1: People but huge, Wow, like I'm talking about bigger than
Speaker 1: like a basketball many yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I'm dead serious.
Speaker 5: Possible, I'm serious.
Speaker 2: I was like, from it.
Speaker 5: Why did you stop to take a picture?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the picture?
Speaker 4: Yeah, my kids would love it?
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah. Basically, I mean you're a little smaller.
Speaker 5: You're running there in your black uh dress shirt.
Speaker 2: That's me to me. At mile twenty three, I turned
Speaker 2: into Jeff Goldblue.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 2: I raced so quick, so fast, I turned to Jeff.
Speaker 5: Everybody becomes Jeff gold Bloom at some point.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: Sorry, you said your kids would have loved that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2: Love yeah big yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh I know what I was gonna say. Yeah I am,
Speaker 1: I'm out of it. Our flight got delayed flying back today.
Speaker 1: Nothing worse than coming from the West coast to the
Speaker 1: East coast, Like you're just like bye day, You're like
Speaker 1: see you, whole day's gone. Doesn't like it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a long flight, I guess. But then
Speaker 1: it's like the time difference, like and so I was
Speaker 1: racing to get back task. I nearly missed the start
Speaker 1: of the game incredibly, just got back like they tipped
Speaker 1: out like what nine oh seven or is only that
Speaker 1: got in at like nine oh five into the house.
Speaker 2: So we were all good. But I'm a real scumbag,
Speaker 2: Steve right now?
Speaker 5: What guy?
Speaker 2: Oh man?
Speaker 1: I you know you feel so gross after any sort
Speaker 1: of flight, especially all across country one.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, I was worried about you because usually,
Speaker 3: you know, when you get back, you would message on
Speaker 3: slack So I was slack tracking yet, yeah, I was
Speaker 3: checking your little active icon. Where's this guy? Where is
Speaker 3: this guy?
Speaker 2: Pushing it close?
Speaker 3: Slack tracking?
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, but we're here and we made it happen.
Speaker 3: Good and good.
Speaker 1: Got our immediate reaction to Game five of the NBA Finals.
Speaker 1: But let's hear what you guys thought. Leave your thoughts
Speaker 1: in the comments below the vid, or tweet them in
Speaker 1: at no dunk sync. Like I said, no show on Tuesday,
Speaker 1: no breaks though. Over on the No Bricks YouTube feed
Speaker 1: and podcast feed, Trey and Graydon talking about the last
Speaker 1: weekend's race. I did hear you say Ferrari botched it again?
Speaker 2: Is that what happened?
Speaker 5: Oh double DMF skates.
Speaker 2: Oh Jesus Jesus.
Speaker 5: Leclair retired from first place once again.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, baby Monica, what is going on? Okay,
Speaker 1: well you'll hear Trey and grayt and break down that race.
Speaker 1: Maybe look ahead to Montreal is the next one. I
Speaker 1: know that because that is where my wife is headed
Speaker 1: for the Montreal Grand Prix, the F one race up there.
Speaker 1: So looking forward to no breaks there on Tuesday, and
Speaker 1: then we'll be back on Wednesday. Some talk of Hustle
Speaker 1: a little film session in the mix. You guys were
Speaker 1: spitballing that idea on today's podcast, and that would be
Speaker 1: a really fun one. I heard the glowing review from JD.
Speaker 1: This has me fascinated that JD's saying this is basically
Speaker 1: the perfect, nearly perfect, ged saying, this is what a
Speaker 1: basketball movie.
Speaker 5: Unbelievable stuff.
Speaker 1: So I think we have to do a hustle watch
Speaker 1: and you know, share our thoughts on that.
Speaker 2: And get JD's opinion on.
Speaker 1: It for sure, So that's probably coming down the pipeline.
Speaker 1: We'll get you ready for game six there on Thursday,
Speaker 1: and we'll see whether we're headed to a game seven. Baby,
Speaker 1: But lots of podcasts coming this week, but let's just
Speaker 1: go to bed because I am absolutely exhausted.
Speaker 5: Clipper Rose, you heard it here first, have a great
Speaker 5: time turn up. Love you guys awesome.
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, and remember you don't come to
Speaker 3: no dunks for your animal facts. I love how I
Speaker 3: refuse to look up whether sea lions or otters have whiskers,
Speaker 3: and everybody in the stream team saying they both have whiskers. Idiot,
Speaker 3: And actually Felix meant to one upping that and saying
Speaker 3: because I was clapping like I was a seal, he said,
Speaker 3: sea lions are the ones that clap. Seals have small
Speaker 3: front flippers. I don't believe you, but maybe you're right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, there's your seal facts for the race today. People,