1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:01,759 Speaker 1: I can't say that. 2 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 2: I thought, you know, the world was caving in a 3 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 2: year and a half ago, but I knew something was 4 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 2: a little different. 5 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 3: Go Teams. 6 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 4: In honor of this weekend's Super Bowl, this episode of 7 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 4: Off the Cup is with Green Bay Packer Hall of 8 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:21,639 Speaker 4: Famer Brett Farv super excited. But just a note at 9 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 4: the top before we get into the actual episode. I 10 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 4: did ask Brett Farv about a number of scandals and 11 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 4: legal issues that he's facing, but because of a gag order, 12 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 4: we're not allowed to release them. So this episode has 13 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 4: been edited to reflect that. Just want y'all know that, 14 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 4: But but don't worry. 15 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 5: We get into some stuff you're gonna want to listen. 16 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 4: So I grew up in Massachusetts, big Boston sports, family, socks, Pats, 17 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 4: Celtic experience, but I was weird and instead of going 18 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 4: with the flow, I was a Packer fan. I think 19 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 4: I saw a documentary when I was in my early teens. 20 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 3: I don't know. 21 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 4: It was maybe about Bart Starve and Lombardi or Curly Lambeau. 22 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 4: I can't remember exactly, but the history of this team 23 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 4: was just so romantic, it was so compelling. 24 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 3: They were so storied. 25 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 4: I became a Packer fan because the lore just drew 26 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 4: me in. And in nineteen ninety six, I think I 27 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 4: can safely say I was the only kid in New 28 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 4: England throwing a Packer party when they faced the Patriots 29 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 4: in the Super Bowl. It didn't go over well, but 30 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 4: it worked out for me. In addition to the history 31 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 4: of the team drawing me in, however, they also had 32 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 4: a quarterback that was really just so fun to watch. 33 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 3: You know who he is. He's number four. He's Hall 34 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 3: of Famer Brett Farv. Brett Farv. Welcome to Off the Cup. 35 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 2: Well, thanks for having me, Thanks for the nice centro. 36 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 4: I was really alone in my Packer fandom just because 37 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 4: of where I live, right so I felt very attached 38 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 4: to this team and I just I loved it. I 39 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 4: was wondering if you were when you were growing up, 40 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 4: when you were playing football. Were the Packers just another 41 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 4: team to you, like any team to you, or did 42 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 4: you also understand the history and specialness of that team. 43 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: Yes, it's sort of interesting. 44 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 2: I was a I don't know what you would call it, 45 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 2: I'll say a diehard football fan. Yeah, I knew the 46 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys was my favorite team. Now I grew up 47 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 2: in South Mississippi and from my house I could be 48 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 2: at the Superdome in New Orleans with no traffic in 49 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 2: forty five fifty minutes. So even though lived in Mississippi, 50 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: the Saints were basically our home team. Right. 51 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: They were horrible, They were horrible. 52 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 2: My good friend Archie Manning was definitely the bright spot. 53 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: With that team. 54 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 2: But anyway, so the Cowboys were my team. And you, yeah, 55 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 2: on back a long time, so like before cable, so 56 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:07,519 Speaker 2: you you got the local team and that was it 57 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 2: unless it was the Monday night game and you got 58 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 2: to see your team or you know, someone else's playing 59 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 2: whether you liked them or not. But I did a 60 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 2: book report I think second third grade, maybe the only 61 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 2: book report I ever did, and it was on on 62 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 2: Paul Horning, yeah and his uh, you know, his journey 63 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 2: through Notre Dame in Green Bay. And I remember that 64 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 2: that book report was sort of compelling to me because 65 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 2: that was really the first time now I had heard 66 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 2: of Bart Starr. Uh. 67 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: You know, there was a downtime for. 68 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 2: The Packers for yeah, twenty twenty five years or something 69 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 2: where they. 70 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: Just kind of were there. 71 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And so that when I did that book report. 72 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 2: I was like, gosh, these eyes were good. You know, 73 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 2: it was before my time, but these guys were good. 74 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 2: And so that that was sort of the eye opening, 75 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 2: you know, aha, like the Packers are special. 76 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 3: Maybe not lately, but they were, but they. 77 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 2: Were so so that that kind of resonated with me. 78 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 2: And then, you know, later on, as I started playing 79 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,359 Speaker 2: college and and and knew that I had a chance 80 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 2: to play pro football, I can't say that Green Bay 81 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 2: was on my radar, but but I say that with 82 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 2: all due respect that you know, at that time, they 83 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 2: just were not like a team you would you know, 84 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 2: and I wasn't picking, to be honest with you, Yeah, whoever, whatever, whatever, 85 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 2: you know, And and then when I got there, you know, 86 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 2: that was really the it's different, you know, it's it's 87 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 2: different in a good. 88 00:04:55,560 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 4: Way, Like you feel that you feel the yeah, aura, 89 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 4: the history at Lamba, the history. 90 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 2: You know, pulling into Green Bay if you're driving or 91 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 2: if you're flying in. Right away, the stadium is the centerpiece. Yes, 92 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 2: seventy five to one hundred thousand people give or take, 93 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 2: you know, maybe less, but it's dominated by the Packers 94 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 2: and it's just a special place. 95 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 1: It really is. 96 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 3: It really really is. You can feel it. 97 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: You think about it. 98 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 2: If you were starting a national franchise, whether it be baseball, basketball, football, 99 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 2: I don't think you'd ever start looking in Green Bay. 100 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: You know why green Bay? But it has thrived. 101 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:45,679 Speaker 2: When LA has you know, a team, they'll come, they'll 102 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 2: go Oakland, they come and go you. 103 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 3: Know, so you know it's so true. 104 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 2: It's a unique and special franchise for sure. 105 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 106 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 4: And I want to talk more about your career and 107 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 4: highs and lows and some personal struggles, but first I 108 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 4: want to start with the news you most recently made. 109 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 4: When and how were you diagnosed with Parkinson's. 110 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 2: Well, I would say about two years ago, maybe a 111 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 2: little longer. I started noticing some quirky little things that 112 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 2: I that I was doing nothing. You know, it was 113 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 2: nothing that hindered my every day whatever, you know, whether 114 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 2: I went out biking, whether I was on tractor, whether 115 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 2: I was cutting wood, whether you know, it didn't matter. 116 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 2: And those quirky little things were like my right arm. 117 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:50,559 Speaker 2: I would be walking, you know, just doing whatever, maybe 118 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 2: on a hike, maybe golfing, and I would notice my 119 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 2: right arm would be right to my side at a 120 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 2: ninety degree angle. 121 00:06:58,279 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: And I would. 122 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 2: When I would notice it, I would say, well, that's 123 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 2: kind of weird. I put my arm down and go 124 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 2: about my way. My arm would swing normal, and then 125 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 2: when I would forget about it, it would come back 126 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 2: to that spot. And so I thought, you know, I'm 127 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 2: getting older. You know, it's not it's nothing. You know, 128 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 2: there was never a thought of a neurological disease, right, 129 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 2: So that was the first thing. 130 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: And so maybe six months after that, so say. 131 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 2: A year and a half ago, I noticed, of course 132 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 2: I'm right handed. I'm really dominant right handed. So like 133 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 2: everything I do, you know, some people throw right handed 134 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 2: but right left handed or whatever. 135 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: I'm completely dominant right handed. 136 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 2: And so about a year and a half ago I noticed, 137 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 2: like if I was texting on the phone, I couldn't 138 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 2: do it with my right hand. I did it with 139 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 2: my left hand, and I did it well, and I thought, well, 140 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: that's no big deal. But like if I put it 141 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 2: jacket on or put a long sleeve shirt on, I 142 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 2: was struggled to guide my arm through the sleeve. And 143 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 2: I felt my arm. It was not like it was 144 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 2: numb or you know, I just couldn't guide it. And so. 145 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 3: Was it scary at all, were you a little were 146 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 3: you worried? 147 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 2: No? You know at that time, no, I thought less 148 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 2: getting sound weird? 149 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: But I feel fine, feel great. So why would I. 150 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 2: Think you know, you know, I didn't go like get 151 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 2: on the internet and start investigating, you know, like arms 152 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 2: stuck at one my side, a loss of dexterity in 153 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 2: my right hand. But had I done that, I think 154 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 2: I would have gotten answered pretty quickly. Really yeah, because 155 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 2: the calling card for Parkinson's, one of the calling cards 156 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 2: is something to do with the gate and usually something 157 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 2: to do with arm swing or lack thereof. 158 00:08:59,080 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 3: Wow. 159 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 2: Because when I my local doctor here, when I went 160 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:07,559 Speaker 2: and saw him the night before I was scheduled to 161 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 2: go see him, he and I had a conversation on 162 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 2: the phone and he said, just tell me a couple 163 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 2: of things that that. 164 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: I need to know. 165 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 2: And I told him what I just told you, and 166 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,359 Speaker 2: he said, you got Parkinson's. 167 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 3: He knew on the phone. 168 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: He knew on the phone, but he said, come see me. 169 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a new test that's called an alphas and 170 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 2: nucleon biopsy that will for sure tell you if you have. 171 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: A garological disease. 172 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 2: It won't tell you specifically what, but it will tell 173 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 2: you you're positive for or not positive. And so I 174 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 2: went in, took the test, and two weeks later. 175 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: It was it was positive. 176 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 2: But and that was that was January, So when the 177 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 2: actual diagnosis came about. 178 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: But yeah, I knew something. 179 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 2: I can't say that I thought, you know, the world 180 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 2: was caving in a year and a half ago, but 181 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 2: I knew something was a little different. 182 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 4: They've recently linked Parkinson's to hearing loss, and they say 183 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 4: that prompt use of hearing aids may reduce the risk 184 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 4: of developing Parkinson's. Did you suffer any hearing loss before 185 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 4: your diagnosis. 186 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 2: No, No, not that I'm aware of. You know, I have, 187 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 2: as my wife would say, selective here. 188 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 3: Every man does. 189 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 2: Yeah. 190 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: But you know, I think. 191 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 2: And I have been inundated with in a good way. 192 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 2: People have really reached out. 193 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 1: Try this see this person. 194 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:38,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, have you looked. 195 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: Into was it ever Mike then? 196 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,679 Speaker 2: Right? You know, I mean, it's it's endless and so 197 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 2: sorting out that you may want to try. Maybe you 198 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 2: want to talk to this person. I've seen five different 199 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 2: specialists and they all said the same thing, you know. 200 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 2: They they were all extremely smart and to me, I mean, 201 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 2: I'm looking for, you know, the Holy Grail, and they 202 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 2: were like, at this point, what you're doing is the 203 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 2: best thing to do, and that's take take what's called 204 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 2: cinemat and it's a dopamine replacement that lasts, you know, 205 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 2: three to four hours, and I take that in every 206 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 2: four hours, and my symptoms are somewhat suppressed. In fact, 207 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,719 Speaker 2: someone yesterday said, you don't you're not shaking, Well, well, 208 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 2: I really never shook. I had a little shaking in 209 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 2: my right hand, and I think people relate Parkinson's to shaking. 210 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 2: And what I didn't know was in Parkinson's there's a 211 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 2: lot of different kinds, but what I have is called 212 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 2: ediopathic Parkinson's. And there's three characteristics of ediopathic. So there's 213 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 2: cognitive and memory is one, Rigidity and stiffness is too. 214 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 2: Shaking and trenor Tremor's is three. So if you have idiopathic, 215 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 2: you'll have one of those three will be the dominant 216 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 2: of the three. Well, just so happens for me. It's 217 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 2: the rigidity and stiffness, so very little shaking. Even without 218 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 2: the medicine. There would be like times maybe I was 219 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 2: tired or something, and I would I would have a 220 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 2: little yeah, and so on, Sally, what are you shaking 221 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 2: for this morning? And I've beaten breakfast with a group 222 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:33,079 Speaker 2: of guys. I'm like, I don't know. Yeah, but the 223 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 2: rigidity and stiffness was overwhelming. 224 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm not putting two and two together. 225 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 2: Before the diagnosis, I thought, well, this is a total 226 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 2: football that's taken on. 227 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:48,439 Speaker 4: Well, that's what I wanted to ask you, because you 228 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:50,599 Speaker 4: have you admitted I mean once you said that you 229 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 4: probably suffered thousands of concussions. 230 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:57,839 Speaker 5: How convinced are you that football may have played a 231 00:12:57,880 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 5: part in this? 232 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 2: Uh? 233 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 1: You know what, I'll say this before I answer that question. 234 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 2: There's no way to at this point to know definitively where, 235 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 2: But I would if I were a betman, which I'm not, 236 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 2: I would say ninety nine point sure that that trauma 237 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 2: has something to do with it. Yeah. My my local 238 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 2: doctor and I've seen five specialists with my local doctor. 239 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 1: Here, a guy Wendell Elveston, great. 240 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 2: Guy, and I asked him that question. I said, Doc, 241 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 2: where do you think I got it? And his exact 242 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 2: words were, nofing matter, you got it, It's not going away, 243 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:52,599 Speaker 2: And he said, why cry over or concern yourself with 244 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 2: something that you can't change at this point. But he said, 245 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 2: to answer your question, if it's not in your face, 246 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 2: he said, that's. 247 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:01,839 Speaker 1: Where we look. 248 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 2: First, someone grandfather, great grandfather, grandmother, somewhere down the line 249 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 2: had it. As far as I know, my family knows 250 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 2: no history. So the second thing they look at is 251 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 2: head trauma. Second second really and second A and second. 252 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: B would be head trauma. 253 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 2: Environmental so pesticides, herbicides, chemicals, yeah, you know, electrical waves. 254 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: You know who knows. 255 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 2: So maybe in my case it may be a little 256 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 2: bit of both. 257 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 258 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 4: So, and you've urged parents not to let their kids 259 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 4: under fourteen play tackle football? Is there a safe way 260 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 4: to play football these days? At a high level? 261 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: It puts flags on you know. I mean. 262 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 2: I think that when I when I revealed that I 263 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 2: had a you know, a neurological disease, I think it 264 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 2: it offered credibility to why I have been so passionate 265 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 2: about concussions and preventing numbers. And so I think people go, oh, 266 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 2: that makes a lot of sense. Why he has been 267 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 2: a crusader for it, you know. And I got three grandsons, 268 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 2: and all three the oldest is fourteen eleven, and then 269 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 2: eight and they don't play football. They've never asked if 270 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 2: they said they wanted to play football. If they came 271 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 2: to me today and said they wanted to play football, 272 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 2: will you help me? But I would love to, but 273 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 2: I will never go out of my way to why 274 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 2: don't you guys play? 275 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: Why don't you sign up? 276 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 3: He wouldn't push it. 277 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't push it. 278 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 2: I just know that, you know, there's not every body 279 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 2: can be Peyton Manning and. 280 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 3: Eli Yeah, Troy ym and yeah. 281 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 2: And Patrick Mahomes and Brett Fahr. No. 282 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 4: No, sometimes you're and this is what I wanted to 283 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 4: ask you next, Sometimes you're Dave Doerson or Junior Seau. 284 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 4: And when you hear of a player's suicide, did you 285 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 4: ever think when that news would come up, did you 286 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 4: ever think that could have been me? 287 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: Now? 288 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 2: I think the one that hit me the hardest in 289 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 2: the gut was Junior sel Well. I played a lot 290 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 2: of a lot against and played in the Pro Bowl 291 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 2: with several times. I can't say that he was a 292 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 2: good friend, but but you know, mutual friend who love life, 293 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 2: love football obviously, but loved everything about life. And it's 294 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 2: like when he killed himself is. 295 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 3: Like, that's not him, that's not him. 296 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, so king jan someone gets so corrupt in their 297 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 2: mind from from football and the head trump that they 298 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 2: would go to. 299 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 3: That left to resolve it, right escaping, which. 300 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 2: Is which is really it's really scary, it's really frightened. 301 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, let's go to the love of the game. 302 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 4: You get drafted by the Falcons in the second round 303 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 4: with the thirty third overall pick in nineteen ninety one, 304 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 4: and head coach Jerry Glanville makes it very known he 305 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 4: did not want you. What is your mindset in that 306 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 4: first season under those conditions, knowing he doesn't want to 307 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 4: play me. He's hoping a plane crash actually takes. 308 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 3: Care of this. You know, I think, did that make 309 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 3: you want to work hard? 310 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 2: No? You know I was always one that throughout my 311 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 2: football career, going back to the fifth grade. The more 312 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 2: and thankfully I didn't get told you suck, or you're 313 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 2: not gonna make it, or you know, those things. I 314 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 2: didn't hear that often, very rare, but I did hear 315 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 2: you're not ready yet, you need to work harder, you know, 316 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 2: general things, And a lot of it came from my father, 317 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 2: who was my high school coach. Was definitely a mentor. 318 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 2: Was a hard ass to say the least. And no 319 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 2: matter what I did on a positive note, whether it 320 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:47,199 Speaker 2: be baseball, football, school, he was always one to. 321 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: Say, well you can do better. Yeah, and which is fine. 322 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 2: My two brothers, I think it was an adverse effect 323 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 2: with them, so like the more he pushed them and 324 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:05,199 Speaker 2: rode their ass, the less enthusiastic they were about. 325 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: Whatever it was they were doing. Yeah, well I don't care. 326 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 2: You know, I'll play football. But if I played college, great, 327 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 2: If I don't great. 328 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 3: That was kind of their mentality. 329 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 1: Where me, when you said those type of things to me, 330 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: it drove. 331 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 2: Me to. 332 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: Bigger and better things. 333 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 2: Yeah right, And so that was like with Lanville, I 334 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 2: was like, Okay, I don't think I'll ever have a 335 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 2: future here. 336 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: This is me talking to myself. 337 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 2: But if if I were ever to go somewhere else, 338 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 2: or if they ever give me a shot, I'll prove 339 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 2: them wrong. I think my year in Atlanta, and I 340 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 2: tell people this all the time. I got I got 341 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 2: drafted in the second round. I go to Atlanta. I'm 342 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 2: on the team. I don't say I play, I'm on 343 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 2: the team. I missed the team. Pitcher in twenty years 344 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 2: in the NFL, never other than myself even heard of 345 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 2: someone missing the teen picture, and so I had the 346 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 2: dubious honor of being the only person, maybe ever in 347 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 2: the history of the game to miss the teen picture. 348 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 1: So I just. 349 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 2: To thinking that I got off on the wrong foot 350 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,199 Speaker 2: with Jerry is certainly an understatement. 351 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: So I've been out a. 352 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 2: Little bit too late, had a few too many to drink, 353 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 2: and showed up about forty five minutes late. In fact, 354 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 2: they were Everyone was in their cars and leaving when 355 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 2: I pulled up at the facility. So I didn't do 356 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 2: myself many favors. But the crazy thing is I get 357 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 2: drafted the second round. I do nothing on a positive 358 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 2: scale to enhance my career in a positive way. 359 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 1: I do everything to. 360 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 2: Basically get me run out of the least sabotage it, Yes, 361 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 2: sabotage it. 362 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 1: But yet but yet I get drafted. I mean, I 363 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: get traded. 364 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 2: For a first round pick right when I did absolutely 365 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 2: nothing but gain twenty five pounds on beer hot wings. 366 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 2: Yeah you know, so I wasn't the smartest person in 367 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 2: the world when I got traded traded at Green Bay. 368 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 1: For a first round pick. I thought this is this 369 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:19,120 Speaker 1: is pretty special. 370 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 4: Better seize the moment well, and you get traded. But 371 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 4: then you're going for your physical and you get sort 372 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 4: of diagnosed by the team doctor with a hip condition, 373 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 4: the same one that ends Bo Jackson's career. Correct in 374 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 4: that moment, and coach sort of overrode that and allowed 375 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 4: that did not allow that physical to be failed, which 376 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 4: would have ended the trade. But in that moment, did 377 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 4: you think, oh, what am I going to do after 378 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 4: this when I can't play football anymore? 379 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 2: You know? The good thing is I didn't know I 380 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 2: was failed. 381 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 3: They didn't tell you. 382 00:21:58,640 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 1: Well, they told me later. 383 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 2: So what happened was, you know, I get traded, go 384 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 2: up do a physical. Ron Wolf is the general manager 385 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 2: who made the trade for me, who was who I 386 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 2: talked to him yesterday. 387 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 3: He is a dear friend. 388 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,679 Speaker 2: Ron's pushing ninety, but he's sharp as attack and I 389 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 2: love him to death and the feelings mutual. So we 390 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 2: talked once a month. 391 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,360 Speaker 1: But so when. 392 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 2: I did the physical, the report went to Ron Wolf upstairs. 393 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 6: Yeah, and within that five minute window, and this is 394 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 6: coming from Ron himself, you know, when he told me 395 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 6: the story and he's like, they came up to me 396 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 6: and said we failed him on the physical. 397 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: He's got a vaster new crosis. He you know, he 398 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: may play. 399 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 2: Three years if he's lucky, and he's going to need 400 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 2: a hip replacement. And Ron Wolf said, I'll take that 401 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 2: three years if that's where it is. Wow, we're not failing. 402 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 2: He's playing and we'll we'll take our chances. 403 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 3: He saved your career, saved my career. 404 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 1: And you know he told me that later on, not initially. 405 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I really didn't know. 406 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 2: You know, there was a five minute window where I'm 407 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 2: failed and he says, oh, hell no, he's playing, and 408 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 2: I did it that They were right. I did need 409 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 2: a hit replacement, but it was it was two years ago. 410 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 2: So wow, I'll lasted a little bit longer. 411 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 3: Just a little bit, just a little bit unbelievable. 412 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 4: So then obviously you go on, You go on to 413 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 4: win a Super Bowl, which I threw a party for 414 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 4: at sixteen eleven playoff appearances, seven division titles, four NFC 415 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 4: Championship games, three consecutive MVP titles. You revive a team 416 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 4: as we as we discussed that it's sort of been 417 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 4: in the door drums for decades and now you are 418 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 4: part of that packer lore that excited you as a 419 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 4: kid when you wrote book report that excited me as 420 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 4: a kid. What does that feel like now being part 421 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 4: of that history? 422 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 2: You know what's strange about about that that question is 423 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 2: that I think, here, I am about fifteen years removed 424 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 2: from playing, Yeah, and it really doesn't seem like I 425 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 2: ever played. And it's hard to put into words, but 426 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 2: like it just doesn't seem real. 427 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: Of course I know it is. 428 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:33,959 Speaker 4: What do you mean, like, does it seem like it 429 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 4: was a past life or like. 430 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 2: Uh yeah, almost like a dream. And I was talking 431 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:46,199 Speaker 2: to Michael Strahan one time. He's doing good war in 432 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 2: America something, and we were talking about I think I 433 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 2: sent him a message I've heard about his daughter and 434 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 2: I was thinking about and then we get we got 435 00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 2: off on football and uh not in like and serious conversation. 436 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 2: But he made the comment He's like, you know, I 437 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 2: don't even seem like I played. And I said, well, 438 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 2: you know, it's weird because I feel the same way. 439 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 1: I think. 440 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 2: There's not a day goes by where I'm not reminded that, 441 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 2: oh you played football. Well yeah, you're you're feeling the 442 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 2: effects of it daily, you know. So I'm reminded, but 443 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 2: its like it doesn't seem real. Yeah, it just doesn't 444 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 2: seem real. 445 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 3: That's wild. 446 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 2: And so like, you know, being down here at home 447 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 2: and being in my usual environment where I see people 448 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 2: that I see all the time. You know, if I 449 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 2: if I were to show up somewhere else, I mean 450 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 2: where people don't see me, maybe it's different. And reminded 451 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 2: that that of what you did. 452 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 3: It's who you are and who I am. 453 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 2: But it just doesn't seem real. And how you know, 454 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 2: it's kind of a weird feeling. 455 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 3: I can't imagine it. 456 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,400 Speaker 4: It sounds like a weird sensation, a weird surreal kind 457 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 4: of perspective. 458 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 459 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: I mean he played for. 460 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 2: The Green Bad Packers for sixteen years, you won a 461 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 2: Super Bowl. Yeah, you had tremendous success as an individual 462 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 2: and as a team. 463 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: But he doesn't seem real. 464 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 3: That's wild. Oh, very very well. 465 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 5: Speaking of straighthand I just got to asked, did you 466 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 5: want him to break. 467 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 3: The sack record in two thousand and one? 468 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 2: I didn't really care, to be honest with you either way. 469 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 2: Michael has always been a dear friend. But you know 470 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 2: what people thought, Yeah, but I honestly I didn't care 471 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 2: one way or the other. Their season, and this is 472 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 2: going way back. We were playing them the week of 473 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 2: nine to eleven in New York. Yeah, and it got 474 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 2: canceled because of the terrorist attack. So we end up 475 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 2: moving it to the end of the season, which is 476 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 2: maybe in my in my twenty year career, that was 477 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,439 Speaker 2: the only time that that happened. You know, they always 478 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 2: played on time, they always played on schedule. 479 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, this was different. 480 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 2: So when we played them at the end of the year, 481 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 2: they they had nothing to play for it. I mean, 482 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 2: the year was kind of a wash for us. We 483 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 2: had a lot to play for, so we went to 484 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 2: the playoffs and but yeah, I don't I didn't care 485 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,479 Speaker 2: one way or the other if if he got it, 486 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 2: you know, it didn't help me one way. 487 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: Or the other. 488 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 4: Right, Okay, so you go on to a stint with 489 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 4: the Jets, and I actually saw you play with the 490 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 4: Jets and then another with the Vikings. But I know 491 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 4: you struggled with the decision to retire very publicly. You struggled, 492 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:46,439 Speaker 4: struggled openly with it for years. And it's very easy 493 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 4: to understand how it would be hard to just walk 494 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 4: away from a career when I'm sure people are telling 495 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 4: you know, you've got another year in you, or vice 496 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 4: versa saying you should hang it up. Now, walk me 497 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 4: through some of the things that are going through your 498 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 4: mind over those years as you're thinking should I or 499 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 4: shouldn't I? 500 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, well I retired and unretired twice, and then the 501 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:12,120 Speaker 2: third time was a charmer. And you know, the best 502 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 2: way I can explain it is for the longest doing 503 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 2: the things that needed to be done to be the 504 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 2: best player. 505 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: We're never, in my mind, looked at as work. 506 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, so practice I. 507 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,360 Speaker 2: Didn't particularly like practice. I don't know many people who do. 508 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 2: They must try to play a game. I was no different, 509 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 2: But I didn't look at it as work. I would 510 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 2: find and I think my teammates over the years would 511 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 2: I think. I think they would all testify that. I 512 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 2: don't know if they might head any more fun than Brett. 513 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 2: And this is like practice, deal, weight room, Yeah, training room. 514 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 2: I'm always cracking, Joe. I'm you know. So it wasn't 515 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 2: work until about four years, you know, sixteen years into 516 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 2: my my career. Yeah, I started looking at it. Not 517 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 2: all the time, but it was like, you know, I 518 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 2: got to go, I got I don't know, if I 519 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 2: can get through practice today or and this would be 520 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 2: my conversation with myself driving in to work in the morning. 521 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And I was like, I don't know if 522 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 2: I feel like sitting through meetings. And so I knew 523 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 2: I never talk to anyone about it. I knew I 524 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 2: could still play. I knew it was harder to still 525 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 2: play at a high level because I didn't recover as quickly. 526 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, early in my career, I. 527 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 2: Get banged up and by Wednesday, I'm good to go. 528 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 2: The latter part of my career, I get banged up, 529 00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 2: I start feeling better. 530 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: I had about kick off of. 531 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 2: The next week, you do it all over again. So 532 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 2: it was harder to recover the mental part of the 533 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 2: the discipline at the latter part of my career. You've 534 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 2: got to you've got to challenge yourself. You've got to 535 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 2: be you've got to go over and beyond. You've got 536 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 2: to be on point, not only in practice, but in meetings. 537 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 2: You know, I mean the expectations that as you get 538 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 2: older you place upon yourself. 539 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: You look at things differently. 540 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 2: My rookie year and my twentieth year, I looked at 541 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 2: things a lot differently, Like. 542 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: I'm near the end. 543 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 2: I want to make the most of what I got left. Yeah, 544 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 2: whereas a rookie, you go, whatever we lost, we'll play 545 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 2: again next week, right, you know. So challenges that I 546 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 2: faced as an older player, I knew it was harder. 547 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 2: I knew I knew the writing was on the wall 548 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 2: when when I started looking at things like I don't 549 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 2: feel like today, right, I do it, but I would 550 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 2: stomach through it. And so when you do that, there's 551 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 2: this building of I don't want to say hate because 552 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 2: that's probably a too strong word, but just like the 553 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 2: things that have made you the player that you have 554 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 2: been over the years, worse or really driving you away 555 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 2: from the game, if that makes sense. Yeah. 556 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:28,719 Speaker 1: I didn't want to be in meetings. I didn't want 557 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: to lift weights. 558 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 2: I didn't want to be an off season workouts where 559 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 2: no one was looking. In my career of bleeding up 560 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 2: to that point, I was running bleachers. I was doing 561 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 2: all kinds of work on my own in the off season. 562 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 2: I didn't care if everybody was watching, it didn't matter. 563 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 2: I was busting my ass. Where if you're seventeen eighteen 564 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 2: nineteen is. 565 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 3: Like like resenting having to do that. Yeah, Yeah, and. 566 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: Rather than doing twelve bleachers, I do eight. 567 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 3: Yeah right, you know, like through this. 568 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: So yeah, that's where I got to that point. 569 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 2: And so when I would retire at that point that day, 570 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 2: I was like I've had enough and I and I 571 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 2: the only way And I think it's it's it's something 572 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 2: that everyone can relate to. 573 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: So you think back to grade school. 574 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 2: So like just say ninth grade, you're getting close to 575 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 2: the end of the year, so it's May or April, 576 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 2: and you know you're counting the weeks and the last 577 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 2: two weeks they can't get through quick enough. You want 578 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 2: to go into the summer so bad that you can 579 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 2: just taste it. You go into the summer, you do 580 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 2: your deal, you travel, you play, you lay out in 581 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 2: the sun, you go to the whatever with your friends, whatever. 582 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 2: In about two weeks before school starts, you sort. 583 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 1: Of kind of have believe it or not. 584 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 2: I'm kind of ready to go back, you know, another year. 585 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 2: Close yeah classes, you know, and you go I count 586 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 2: you know, I'm looking forward to it. Well, that's the 587 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 2: way football was for me. So you go into the 588 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 2: off season. The last thing I wanted to think about 589 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 2: was football. You know, most of the time it was 590 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 2: a disappointing end. You lost the championship game, you didn't 591 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 2: make the playoffs, whatever, So you want to get away 592 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 2: from it. You hate football and you don't even want to. 593 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: Think about it. 594 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 2: And then come June, you know, I'm kind of ready 595 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 2: to come back. 596 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 3: And that was that was the case with me until 597 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 3: it wasn't. 598 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 1: Until it wasn't. 599 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 2: The last time I knew and I said to myself, 600 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 2: remember this moment. 601 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: I remember sitting in a meeting and I'm. 602 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 2: Looking around and I said, I want you to I'm 603 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 2: telling myself this, remember this moment, because you're gonna a 604 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 2: year two years from now, you're going to say, I 605 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 2: can you know I could go back and play h 606 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 2: When you say that, remember this moment, how much you 607 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 2: absolutely hate sitting in this class right now? 608 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 3: Yeah? I love the guys, right, but. 609 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 2: The last thing I wanted to hear was another play 610 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 2: being installed. And so what Sure enough, about a year 611 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 2: and a half, you know, I'll retired at the end 612 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 2: of that year, somewhere down the road. And I was like, no, 613 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 2: I could probably go back and get it. And then 614 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 2: I was like, remember what you remember? Remember what you said? Yeah? 615 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, yeah, that's right, that's right. 616 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: I absolutely hated it. So but I twenty years is. 617 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 2: And I've told people this, like I'm sitting at the 618 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,359 Speaker 2: breakfast table and training camp any pick of the year 619 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 2: of the twenty years now, I'm sitting there, you know, 620 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 2: and sometimes there's new guys that sit with you. You know, 621 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 2: if it's training camp, you know, you get free agents, 622 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 2: you get new draftees or something. 623 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:58,720 Speaker 1: You'd say, hello, it's not stuff. 624 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 2: And see, like the conversation would always come come to 625 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 2: the head with like how long do you think you'll 626 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 2: play or how long do you want to play? And 627 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,359 Speaker 2: I would hear a guys say, I'm gonna play eight 628 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 2: years and I'm gonna get out. I would hear someone else, 629 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,320 Speaker 2: my goal is ten years and then I'm gonna retire. 630 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,800 Speaker 2: And they would come to me and I said, whatever, 631 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 2: you know, as long as I can play, as long 632 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 2: as I love it, and as long as they want me, 633 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 2: I'll keep playing. So yeah, And I think that was 634 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 2: kind of the key to my success. It was that 635 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 2: I didn't try to dictate my career in regards to 636 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 2: how long I'm going to play, where I'm going to play. Yeah, 637 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 2: I just was like I can't believe they pay me 638 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 2: what they pay me to do this. I love doing 639 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 2: what I'm doing. I'm happy that I've got an opportunity. Yeah, 640 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 2: I'm gonna make the most of it, and whatever happens happens. 641 00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, you were living in the moment. 642 00:35:58,640 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. 643 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:00,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think, well, you. 644 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,359 Speaker 2: Know, whether you were a fan or not, when you 645 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,280 Speaker 2: watch me play, you would I think you would quickly 646 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 2: learn that he's just out there having fun, right, and 647 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 2: there's a lot of success wrapped up in just that 648 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 2: little mindset. You know. 649 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: I never over overthought things. 650 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was never. 651 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 2: Going to be confused with a you know, a genius, 652 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 2: nor did I want to be. I just I was 653 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 2: happy to be there. I would do whatever I could 654 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 2: to wine and love my teammates, love the fans, play, 655 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,720 Speaker 2: play with my emotions on my sleeve. Nothing was ever choreographed. 656 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 2: I never thought before a game, well, this would be 657 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 2: a cool thing to do if I throw a touchdown. 658 00:36:46,120 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 4: Sometimes thinking is overrated, Yes, without question, Yeah, you're absolutely right. Okay, 659 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 4: you're playing for the Packers, You're being treated for various injuries, 660 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,800 Speaker 4: and an all too common thing happens. You get addicted 661 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 4: to pain medication. And you actually have a seizure during 662 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 4: or after a surgery. 663 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 1: Two. I actually had two. 664 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:29,359 Speaker 2: Two one the day before a game, one during right 665 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:30,280 Speaker 2: after I came out. 666 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 3: Of surgery, right right, and it was related to this two. 667 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 1: Days after the season. Yeah. Absolutely. 668 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,839 Speaker 3: Did you think in that moment did you. 669 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 4: Think when you were, when you knew you were you 670 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 4: had a problem, did you feel like this I could 671 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 4: lose it all because of this? 672 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,359 Speaker 3: No, what did you think I probably should have? 673 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:59,359 Speaker 7: Okay, I was twenty five, maybe six, I was right 674 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 7: in the middle of winning three m vps in a row. 675 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,640 Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that bragging. I'm saying that because 676 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:06,800 Speaker 2: it blinded. 677 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,360 Speaker 4: It kind of put blinders on because you're like, I'm 678 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 4: just I'm doing well. 679 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 3: Like, what's the problem. 680 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 2: I've just won two MVPs in a row. What the 681 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 2: hell's a deal? You know, what's everybody worried about? Yeah? 682 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 2: I sleep at meetings because I don't sleep at night. 683 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,360 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I'm dragging during the day because 684 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 2: I don't sleep at night. And when I say it, 685 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 2: I don't sleep at night. So I would take the 686 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:38,120 Speaker 2: pills and I found over the years. Now I've been 687 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 2: clean for a long time Yeah, but I've spoke to 688 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:46,400 Speaker 2: a lot of people who struggle with various addictions, and 689 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,319 Speaker 2: there's always kind of like a couple of things that 690 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 2: are common with every person, even though the addiction may 691 00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 2: be alcohol, maybe paint, pills, maybe myths, maybe you know, street. 692 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:00,799 Speaker 1: Drug us whatever. 693 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, but the underlying effects are always sort of the same. 694 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 2: And I thought no one knew, uh huh, I had 695 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,920 Speaker 2: it all figured out. No one knew I had a 696 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 2: problem when multiple people knew, including my wife, who later 697 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 2: I found out she was flushing pills down the tour. 698 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,920 Speaker 4: And so she didn't confront you about it. She just 699 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:27,239 Speaker 4: tried to stop you. 700 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:32,080 Speaker 2: Yes and no, she she tried, But I was like, 701 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:38,719 Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong. I'm playing great, we're winning. You know, 702 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 2: we may have won the Super Bowl this year. 703 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, show me the problem here exactly. 704 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 2: So, but you know, people knew it, but they really 705 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 2: knew when I had the seizure, especially the second one, 706 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,760 Speaker 2: so the one right before the game, the day before 707 00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 2: the game, which is you had a seizure before or 708 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:04,439 Speaker 2: the game, you know, I mean, is there a more 709 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 2: of an aha moment than that? Right? But that sort 710 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,279 Speaker 2: of got swept under the rug. I'm not saying it did, 711 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,279 Speaker 2: but I had to play a game the next day. 712 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,960 Speaker 2: When I came to I was at my house. There 713 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 2: were people there, team doctor, a couple of the coaches 714 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 2: that were dear friends of ours that were over and 715 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,719 Speaker 2: they were all like, when I woke up, you know, 716 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,480 Speaker 2: I was like, when y'are doing here? They said, you 717 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 2: have a seizure. No one said at that moment, why 718 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,560 Speaker 2: did you have a seizure? Right, you're twenty five, you're 719 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 2: twenty six, You're in the best shape of your life. 720 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,719 Speaker 2: Ye supposed but you're having a seizure. No one really 721 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,840 Speaker 2: said that. But the second one at the end of 722 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,399 Speaker 2: that year, I had ankle surgery a day or two 723 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,560 Speaker 2: after the season in Green Bay and had another seizure, 724 00:40:54,840 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 2: and so that really sparked all right, there's something, there's 725 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 2: something going on. Yeah. So I met with a neurologist 726 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 2: in Green Bay and he's asked me a lot of questions, 727 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:12,319 Speaker 2: and he said, how much do you sleep? And I said, 728 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,640 Speaker 2: I'll probably go to bed about four thirty or five 729 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,280 Speaker 2: in the morning, or I may go to bed early, 730 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:26,480 Speaker 2: or but I stay up all the time. And he's like, why. Well, 731 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,400 Speaker 2: Eventually they came to a head, and people had already 732 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,360 Speaker 2: told him that I may have a pain pill addition, 733 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,680 Speaker 2: so he confronted me with it and I admitted it, 734 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,040 Speaker 2: and he said, how many are you taking? And I said, well, 735 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,520 Speaker 2: at nine o'clock every night, I take sixteen Viking. Yes, 736 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,239 Speaker 2: And that's sort of the reaction that he had. 737 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,160 Speaker 5: I don't even know anything about it, but that sounds 738 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:50,760 Speaker 5: like a lot. 739 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:55,120 Speaker 2: Well. Viking was kind before oxy cotton was kind of 740 00:41:55,120 --> 00:42:00,680 Speaker 2: the oxy cotton of this day. And I don't know. 741 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,279 Speaker 2: If I took two right now, it probably would knock 742 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 2: me for a loop, and you know it would. 743 00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 1: It would. 744 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 2: It certainly helped with the pain, but for me it 745 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:14,799 Speaker 2: made me feel good for it. So I over the 746 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:21,040 Speaker 2: years built up from two to sixteen, and I knew, 747 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,320 Speaker 2: even though I was successful at this time, I knew 748 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,759 Speaker 2: internally that I had a problem. I would be out 749 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:33,080 Speaker 2: somewhere with the guys and at nine o'clock. Remember the 750 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:34,799 Speaker 2: only time that I would never take them at nine 751 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,680 Speaker 2: o'clock is if I had a game at that time. 752 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,960 Speaker 2: Don't ask me why I had to be nine o'clock. 753 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 2: I had no idea, but it was. There's something about 754 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:48,160 Speaker 2: people with addictions that are very structured to. 755 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,200 Speaker 3: A certain degree routine. 756 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,319 Speaker 2: You know, they have their little quirky things and they 757 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,960 Speaker 2: stick to them. So nine o'clock every night, so we're 758 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 2: in a bar having a couple of beers. I would 759 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 2: go to the bathroom to take these pills. Well, the 760 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 2: more pills that I started that I you know, fourteen 761 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,920 Speaker 2: went to fifteen, fifteen and sixteen, it got hard to swallow. 762 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:15,200 Speaker 1: I just had a gag effect. So I would try. 763 00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:16,319 Speaker 1: I'd go in the bathroom and. 764 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,080 Speaker 2: I'd try to kind of crush them up as best 765 00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,320 Speaker 2: I could so it would just be easier and swallow. 766 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,400 Speaker 2: And I'd do it all at one time. And the 767 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 2: last year, maybe a year and a half of this 768 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,880 Speaker 2: whole ordeal. So I would I would take them and 769 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,239 Speaker 2: I would throw up most not all the time, most 770 00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:40,320 Speaker 2: times I would throw back up these pills. And here's 771 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,920 Speaker 2: where it really gets crazy. I would throw them up, 772 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,160 Speaker 2: say on the bathroom floor in the barroom. I would 773 00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,560 Speaker 2: get down on the floor and get the pills out 774 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,160 Speaker 2: of the bottle. And I was not going to waste 775 00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:59,560 Speaker 2: those pills. Wow, And I definitely would be picking these 776 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:00,600 Speaker 2: pills out going. 777 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:02,480 Speaker 1: This is a serious. 778 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,600 Speaker 3: Problem, you knew. Yeah, I'm like, who does this? 779 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:11,000 Speaker 2: Who in the world does why are you doing this? Yeah? 780 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,840 Speaker 2: You got you got everything right in front of you. 781 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,080 Speaker 2: You're picking pills out of vomit. 782 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,879 Speaker 1: So I knew that. You know, I was playing well, 783 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:23,799 Speaker 1: but I knew there. 784 00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 2: Was a serious problem. 785 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you go to treatment, right, ye three? 786 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 4: Was it just to get you off the substances or 787 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,440 Speaker 4: did you work on some underlying stuff? 788 00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:41,440 Speaker 2: The first time I went, I went to Rayville, Louisiana. 789 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,840 Speaker 2: I'll never forget pulling up with this treatment. 790 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:44,520 Speaker 1: This is the four. 791 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:50,800 Speaker 2: This was like an like an internal family close friends, 792 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,879 Speaker 2: like you got to go somewhere. But we didn't want 793 00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:54,440 Speaker 2: the league to know. 794 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:56,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, and they did it. 795 00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,200 Speaker 2: And this and the reason we didn't want the league 796 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:04,319 Speaker 2: to know because the rules were like once you are 797 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:11,040 Speaker 2: placed upon the alcohol or drug program from the league. 798 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:12,520 Speaker 1: They basically on you. 799 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:13,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 800 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,520 Speaker 2: Now, the bottom line is you want you should want 801 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:19,640 Speaker 2: to get better, but they control all the cards, so 802 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,120 Speaker 2: we try to keep it hush hush. 803 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:26,000 Speaker 1: I go to Rayville, Louisiana. I spent it thirty days. 804 00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,640 Speaker 2: Those thirty days, I was clean, but my mindset was, 805 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,880 Speaker 2: you know, I can do what they want me to 806 00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,279 Speaker 2: do as long as I need to do it. But 807 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,680 Speaker 2: I'm going to do what I want to do, Yeah, 808 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:42,399 Speaker 2: when I want to do it. 809 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,600 Speaker 1: So if I if I need to be cleaned thirty days, 810 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:46,040 Speaker 1: I'll do that. 811 00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:47,839 Speaker 3: So you weren't ready to quit? 812 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:54,040 Speaker 2: Oh no, yeah, no, you know I knew the path 813 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,600 Speaker 2: I was heading down was not good. But I thought, 814 00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,279 Speaker 2: maybe a little bit longer. You know what crazy thing, 815 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:05,040 Speaker 2: you know, as as someone with addictions can honestly say, 816 00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,720 Speaker 2: I mean, you think some crazy things in your. 817 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,640 Speaker 3: Mind to justify yeah, to justify yeah. 818 00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:16,520 Speaker 2: And so I knew I shouldn't, but I knew, let 819 00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:17,680 Speaker 2: me just do it a little bit longer. 820 00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,440 Speaker 3: But you knew you were gonna yeah, yeah. 821 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,480 Speaker 2: And so the second time I went this was in Tapeka, Kansas, 822 00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:25,080 Speaker 2: the League. 823 00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,239 Speaker 1: This is when I made a formal announcement that I 824 00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,000 Speaker 1: was going. Uh huh. 825 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,080 Speaker 2: I was scheduled to be there thirty days. I ended 826 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:36,480 Speaker 2: up being there seventy three. I fought, I punched the 827 00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:37,840 Speaker 2: wall numerous times. 828 00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:41,000 Speaker 1: I yelled, I screamed, and. 829 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,359 Speaker 2: I don't know if I ever bought into what they 830 00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,759 Speaker 2: were saying, but I knew I needed to stop. And so, 831 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,360 Speaker 2: but prior to going in in nineteen, it was the 832 00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,319 Speaker 2: year were won Super Bowl. So a couple of days 833 00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:58,680 Speaker 2: before a training camp, I get out and when I 834 00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,480 Speaker 2: went into treatment, I knew, and I tell people this, 835 00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,800 Speaker 2: I knew I was never going to take another painTill. 836 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:08,799 Speaker 2: I flushed the last six pills I. 837 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,320 Speaker 3: Had down the toilet on your own. 838 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,880 Speaker 2: Because part of the problem was at that point it 839 00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,440 Speaker 2: was so hard to get I mean I was taking, 840 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,160 Speaker 2: you know, a prescription. Say you get a prescription of 841 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,880 Speaker 2: pain pills. They're going to probably give you thirty okay, 842 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,920 Speaker 2: and it's gonna be two a day as needed for 843 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:33,560 Speaker 2: the until the pain is gone. So I'm taking thirty 844 00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,200 Speaker 2: two pills in two days. 845 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,240 Speaker 1: Wow. So imagine how. 846 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:44,680 Speaker 2: Hard it was to get a prescription. And as an example, 847 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,280 Speaker 2: I have a mini camp in Green Bay. Say in April, 848 00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,560 Speaker 2: I would go up. I would get the doctor to 849 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,560 Speaker 2: write me a script I got you know, I'm telling 850 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:58,279 Speaker 2: I got ankle, hurt my hip. Heards, Oh, I'll write 851 00:47:58,320 --> 00:47:59,360 Speaker 2: you a scripture. 852 00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:00,800 Speaker 1: I got it filled. 853 00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,560 Speaker 2: Fly home to Mississippi that saying day, get another one 854 00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:09,640 Speaker 2: filled here. But this was back when they didn't in 855 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,160 Speaker 2: the computer, they didn't put two and two togethers Now 856 00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:17,080 Speaker 2: you could be in Seattle one filled and then go 857 00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:21,680 Speaker 2: to Miami that evening they have great. So now you 858 00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:27,040 Speaker 2: can't do that. So it got harder to get the pills. 859 00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,960 Speaker 2: But more importantly, I finally got to a point where 860 00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:34,480 Speaker 2: I said, now, I said this a lot. I'm done, 861 00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:39,640 Speaker 2: I'm quitting. Had enough. And then three four days later, 862 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:45,120 Speaker 2: five days you know, maybe a little bit longer that. 863 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,240 Speaker 3: You know that you know, back and forth the bargain 864 00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:48,800 Speaker 3: you're making. 865 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, was was, you know, on and off for several years. 866 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,160 Speaker 2: But then before I went to treatment the second time, 867 00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,360 Speaker 2: I said, I'm done. 868 00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,840 Speaker 1: And there's something about because people go, well, how. 869 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:02,080 Speaker 2: Did you know? 870 00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I said, I just knew. 871 00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:10,280 Speaker 2: I knew that I was never going to do it again. 872 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,680 Speaker 2: And the third time I went back to the treatment 873 00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,680 Speaker 2: was for alcohol, which was a year and a half later. 874 00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,920 Speaker 2: And you know, when I was in there for the 875 00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,880 Speaker 2: pain pills and pain pills only, they asked me about drinking, 876 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,400 Speaker 2: and I said, well, don't And you've probably heard this 877 00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,520 Speaker 2: a bunch. So like I thought an alcoholic was someone 878 00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:32,400 Speaker 2: who drank every. 879 00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,799 Speaker 3: Day, Uh huh, right, could not. 880 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:41,040 Speaker 2: Be more wrong. There's people who drink every day but 881 00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,040 Speaker 2: may have a drink, may have two glasses of light 882 00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:49,759 Speaker 2: drive home and are fine. There's nothing wrong with that. 883 00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,680 Speaker 2: When I drank, it wasn't every day, So I thought, well, 884 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,600 Speaker 2: I don't have a problem. But when I drank, I 885 00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:02,560 Speaker 2: never quit until I couldn't remember anything. Yeah, so that's 886 00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:06,600 Speaker 2: a problem. Yeah, that's a you know, you don't drink 887 00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,120 Speaker 2: one beer. And if you said that to me, I go, 888 00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:10,560 Speaker 2: why would I drink one beer? 889 00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:12,120 Speaker 3: What's the point of that. 890 00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll drink a coke. I like coke, but I'll 891 00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,279 Speaker 2: drink thirty beers because I like the. 892 00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,520 Speaker 3: Effect, right, right. 893 00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:21,719 Speaker 1: And so that was my mindset. 894 00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,320 Speaker 2: So I quit the paint pills, wanted to keep drinking, 895 00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,239 Speaker 2: didn't do it all the time, thought it was I 896 00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,040 Speaker 2: had it all handled. 897 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:31,600 Speaker 1: What an idiot. 898 00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:36,799 Speaker 2: I didn't went back to rehab, dealt with alcohol, and 899 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,759 Speaker 2: I haven't taken a paint pill or drink it since 900 00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:40,440 Speaker 2: ninety eight. 901 00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:46,000 Speaker 1: So it can be done. I'm proof. Yeah, And I 902 00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,720 Speaker 1: tell people this in regards to my addiction. 903 00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:55,160 Speaker 2: I saw people praying, you know, like in treatment, and 904 00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,160 Speaker 2: you know, we would have these twelve step meetings and 905 00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:02,120 Speaker 2: just different and stuff, and I would hear someone who 906 00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,040 Speaker 2: had been successful maybe came back as a you know, 907 00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,879 Speaker 2: as a clinician or an advisor or whatever that had 908 00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:14,080 Speaker 2: been there. M and so how'd you do it? How'd 909 00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,520 Speaker 2: you do it? So? I didn't do it? 910 00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,600 Speaker 1: You know, I tried. I failed. I tried. 911 00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,239 Speaker 2: I failed. Then I really thought I made it and 912 00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:25,800 Speaker 2: I failed. 913 00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,600 Speaker 1: And I'm like, I've been there. I failed. 914 00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:32,879 Speaker 2: You know, I've said I was gonna quit. I said 915 00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,480 Speaker 2: I was gonna do it. I'm picking up pills and bomber. 916 00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,600 Speaker 2: I need to quit. I got a problem. How did 917 00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,400 Speaker 2: you do it? Well? I reached out to guy and 918 00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,239 Speaker 2: I said, well, I've done that too, But they're like, 919 00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:45,680 Speaker 2: what do you expect back? 920 00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,520 Speaker 1: And I don't know, but you know, I think an 921 00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:48,240 Speaker 1: easy way. 922 00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,840 Speaker 3: Out right, And they were like, that ain't gonna happen. 923 00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:52,960 Speaker 3: That's not how it works. 924 00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,520 Speaker 2: That's not how it works. Guy's not gonna say, oh sorry, 925 00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:01,440 Speaker 2: you know I wasn't paying attention. I'll take all the 926 00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,600 Speaker 2: trouble away, right. It don't happen that way. Yeah, And 927 00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,120 Speaker 2: and so I've told people that with God, I was 928 00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:13,840 Speaker 2: able to overcome. And you know, God only gives you 929 00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:18,680 Speaker 2: what you can handle, never anymore. H And he will 930 00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:20,440 Speaker 2: help you, but you have to help yourself. 931 00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:25,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, there has to be a give and take. And 932 00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,719 Speaker 1: so for me that's been a big there, you know. 933 00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:32,680 Speaker 2: And it's saying that there's days that I go, God, 934 00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,160 Speaker 2: you you know, I thought you said you were not 935 00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,239 Speaker 2: going to curse anymore. I thought you said you were 936 00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:41,040 Speaker 2: not going, oh you know, do this and do that, 937 00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:45,799 Speaker 2: but you're doing it, you know. So there's constantly, there's 938 00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:52,200 Speaker 2: constantly a struggle with good and evil mhm, right and 939 00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:58,200 Speaker 2: wrong and love and hate and saying things that you 940 00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,279 Speaker 2: that you know it's not right, Yeah, that you later 941 00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:05,720 Speaker 2: regret that I'm no different than anyone else in that regard. 942 00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,840 Speaker 2: I'm not perfect. So like telling people I'm a Christian, 943 00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,240 Speaker 2: the comeback sometimes, how can you tell yourself a Christian 944 00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:18,359 Speaker 2: when you're not perfect? Well not also perfect? No, right, 945 00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:23,640 Speaker 2: and so let strive to be I failed quite often, 946 00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,239 Speaker 2: and you know, it's a constantly struggle, but I try 947 00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,319 Speaker 2: to do better each and every day. 948 00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:31,799 Speaker 1: And sometimes it seems. 949 00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:36,320 Speaker 2: Like it's two three, four steps forward, five steps backwards, 950 00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,879 Speaker 2: and then the next day you gain a little traction. 951 00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,920 Speaker 4: And then yeah, well listen, talking the way you are 952 00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:50,600 Speaker 4: talking right now, really honestly unvarnished, it's really it's really helpful. 953 00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:55,160 Speaker 4: It's really brave, and it's really important for listeners to 954 00:53:55,200 --> 00:54:00,920 Speaker 4: hear this varies a graphic yeah, straight talk about it. 955 00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:05,240 Speaker 2: Well, I think it's important for I don't mind helping 956 00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:09,360 Speaker 2: other people. I think you know today's world and you 957 00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,200 Speaker 2: know this is way better than I do, because you're 958 00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,200 Speaker 2: in that, you're in this scene. There's a lot of 959 00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:18,120 Speaker 2: hate in this in this country. There's a lot of 960 00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:22,640 Speaker 2: hate in this world. There's a lot of problems internally, 961 00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:27,920 Speaker 2: there's a lot of problems socially with our kids and 962 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:29,120 Speaker 2: what they're subjective to. 963 00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:31,600 Speaker 1: And it's so easy. 964 00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,520 Speaker 2: To get I'm not going to say it wasn't easy 965 00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,279 Speaker 2: back then to get caught up in what I got 966 00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,640 Speaker 2: caught up in, but it was a. 967 00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:40,720 Speaker 3: Simpler time, yeah, right. 968 00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:45,719 Speaker 2: And there wasn't social media. Cell phones were just kind 969 00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:52,440 Speaker 2: of landing, you know, and mainstream. But you know, I 970 00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,560 Speaker 2: think and a lot of people know my story, but 971 00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,800 Speaker 2: I think, you know, I don't mind telling my story 972 00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,720 Speaker 2: because that was the difficult time. 973 00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:05,640 Speaker 1: Even though even though I was a starting. 974 00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:10,239 Speaker 3: Quarterback, won the Super Bowl, was. 975 00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:14,319 Speaker 2: The MVP ye three times. I mean, I could not 976 00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,879 Speaker 2: have been any war on the top of the world, 977 00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,600 Speaker 2: but I was, you know, I was really in a 978 00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:22,200 Speaker 2: bad way. 979 00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:22,799 Speaker 1: And so. 980 00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,600 Speaker 2: I think people I don't know if they can relate 981 00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:27,440 Speaker 2: to be playing for the. 982 00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:28,360 Speaker 1: Green Bay package, but the. 983 00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:31,640 Speaker 3: Right right now. 984 00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:36,239 Speaker 4: That's why we have the conversation, because there's not You 985 00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:40,399 Speaker 4: can't relate to a A list Hollywood actor, you can't 986 00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,800 Speaker 4: relate to a Hall of Fame football player, but everyone 987 00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,919 Speaker 4: can relate to a struggle and a challenge, and that's 988 00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:49,760 Speaker 4: why telling these stories is important. 989 00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:50,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you. 990 00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,680 Speaker 4: We'll end on a lighter note. We do a lightning round. 991 00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:17,959 Speaker 4: These are fun fast questions. M Okay, how many times 992 00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:19,799 Speaker 4: have you seen There's something about Mary? 993 00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,360 Speaker 2: I will say maybe one and a half. 994 00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:25,399 Speaker 3: Oh my god. 995 00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:31,000 Speaker 2: And I say that because I like when the movie 996 00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,719 Speaker 2: came out, so you know, I did my part, but 997 00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,160 Speaker 2: I didn't know where it fell in the movie. Yeah, 998 00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,280 Speaker 2: no one told me when. 999 00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm in the movie to youter doing this. 1000 00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,560 Speaker 4: Just and it's a long time before you come A 1001 00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:47,200 Speaker 4: long time. 1002 00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:53,279 Speaker 2: And so I was like, I was like, and so, 1003 00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:54,840 Speaker 2: I mean I just had a hard time come of. 1004 00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:59,959 Speaker 2: It was like, I can much easier relax and watch 1005 00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:00,799 Speaker 2: my highlights. 1006 00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,600 Speaker 1: Then an acting debut if you want to call it that. 1007 00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,480 Speaker 4: So well, and you were the third choice of the 1008 00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,800 Speaker 4: Fairly brothers to play the ex boyfriend of Mary. 1009 00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:11,240 Speaker 3: Who were the other two choices? 1010 00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:12,959 Speaker 1: I think Steve Youllen was one. 1011 00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:15,040 Speaker 2: Yes, I'm not sure. 1012 00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:18,440 Speaker 4: Who the author was, so drew Bledsoe was the first 1013 00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:22,680 Speaker 4: choice because obviously Fairly Brothers are New Englanders. But he 1014 00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:24,600 Speaker 4: had just gotten into some trouble at a club in 1015 00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:29,000 Speaker 4: a mountain moshpit. So he passed and Steve Young passed 1016 00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,800 Speaker 4: because he was Mormon. The movie was R rated and 1017 00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,920 Speaker 4: he didn't want Mormon kids sneaking in to see it 1018 00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:37,520 Speaker 4: or being disappointed in him. 1019 00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,120 Speaker 1: Well, probably it was a good thing it had. 1020 00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,280 Speaker 3: I can't know. I can't imagine it with anyone else, 1021 00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:43,760 Speaker 3: but yeah. 1022 00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:48,440 Speaker 2: The inuendos in the movie or Deanna and I flew 1023 00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:53,200 Speaker 2: down to Miami for the recording. Yeah, first of all, 1024 00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:57,040 Speaker 2: acting is not my thing because I can't act. 1025 00:57:58,120 --> 00:57:59,440 Speaker 1: That was obviously the in. 1026 00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:03,120 Speaker 2: The But it's not my thing because there's so much 1027 00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:07,160 Speaker 2: hurried up and wait, right at five minutes you can 1028 00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:07,400 Speaker 2: be on. 1029 00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:09,000 Speaker 1: So you get all. 1030 00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,360 Speaker 2: And then you go out there and they turn the 1031 00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:14,800 Speaker 2: lights on and then they. 1032 00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,800 Speaker 1: Go, we got we gotta change this. Go back to 1033 00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:19,440 Speaker 1: a trailer now. 1034 00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:24,720 Speaker 2: So that little piece I did for that movie too, 1035 00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:30,240 Speaker 2: actual filming, say twenty thirty minutes. I was there too, 1036 00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:34,240 Speaker 2: full days. Yeah right, and you know for the people 1037 00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:37,400 Speaker 2: in the acting in the TV world, you go, that's 1038 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:41,200 Speaker 2: the way it is. I'm like, I can't, you know, 1039 00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,960 Speaker 2: I just can't. I can't deal with this. The cat, 1040 00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:52,200 Speaker 2: the cast, the Fairly Brothers, Matt Dylan, Carmen, Ben Stiller, 1041 00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:56,440 Speaker 2: you know, all Easter names that you really didn't know 1042 00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:57,760 Speaker 2: a lot about it at the time. This is a 1043 00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:02,360 Speaker 2: long time, great, great group. We went out at dinner, 1044 00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:08,640 Speaker 2: very nice. It was a very awesome experience, and I'm 1045 00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,040 Speaker 2: glad that I did it. I didn't make any money. 1046 00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,800 Speaker 2: I think I made five hundred dollars something. So it 1047 00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,680 Speaker 2: wasn't about that, you know, just it was about to 1048 00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,040 Speaker 2: experience very cool. 1049 00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:22,720 Speaker 3: What's your favorite sports movie? 1050 00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:33,440 Speaker 1: Well, there's there's I must say, either Greater or My 1051 00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:34,280 Speaker 1: All American. 1052 00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,640 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I don't know if you've seen either. 1053 00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:43,560 Speaker 4: I've seen My All American about Derrel Royal. 1054 00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:48,400 Speaker 2: To coach at Texas gets the kid from forgot where 1055 00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:52,200 Speaker 2: it was from, but true story, amazing story. I wasn't 1056 00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:56,520 Speaker 2: wasn't familiar with it. Greater if you haven't seen it. 1057 00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:01,200 Speaker 2: True story. Young man grew up in Arkansas. I wanted 1058 01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:05,040 Speaker 2: to play for the University of Arkansas. That was his dream. 1059 01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,840 Speaker 2: Everyone told him he couldn't, he didn't fit the bill. 1060 01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:11,640 Speaker 2: He ends up playing there, And I don't want to 1061 01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:15,200 Speaker 2: run this story for you, but it's a tear jerker, 1062 01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,040 Speaker 2: but it's an amazing story. 1063 01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:21,080 Speaker 3: Though, Okay, I'll go watch it. I love sports movies. 1064 01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:23,440 Speaker 3: Who is the goat quarterback? 1065 01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:28,600 Speaker 2: I don't think there's any question, And it's funny to me, 1066 01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:33,000 Speaker 2: like you or not, Tom Brady is the best, and 1067 01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:34,760 Speaker 2: all you got to look to is his rings. 1068 01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:41,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he was good and multiple teams, multiple teams. 1069 01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:46,560 Speaker 2: Joe Montanna would be I wouldn't say a distance section. 1070 01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:50,439 Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I'd say, he's you know one b uh huh. 1071 01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:51,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1072 01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:52,760 Speaker 1: When when I. 1073 01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:55,880 Speaker 2: Studied Joe Montana, when I took over as a quarterback 1074 01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,080 Speaker 2: for the Packers, we ran the same offense and I 1075 01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:01,640 Speaker 2: watched him and it was the worst thing that I 1076 01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:07,040 Speaker 2: could have done because he never made a mistake. And 1077 01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:11,440 Speaker 2: I was like, why did I look at his film? 1078 01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:15,480 Speaker 2: He doesn't He never makes a mistake, and I'm. 1079 01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:18,600 Speaker 3: Going to make some Yeah, perfect cannot be the standard. 1080 01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,480 Speaker 2: If I will live it up to that, Yeah, I'm 1081 01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:26,240 Speaker 2: in trouble. Yeah, you know so. And I told Joe that, 1082 01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:30,240 Speaker 2: you know, so those two would be you know, one 1083 01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:30,960 Speaker 2: a in one. 1084 01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:34,960 Speaker 4: Be deservingly So if you could compare your career to 1085 01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:38,560 Speaker 4: an athlete in another sport, who would it be. 1086 01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,840 Speaker 1: I'd probably have to say Gal Ripken. 1087 01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:47,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I couldn't tell you all his numbers, and 1088 01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:49,920 Speaker 2: I'm sure he couldn't tell you all my numbers, but 1089 01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:51,840 Speaker 2: what he could tell you, what I could tell you 1090 01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:56,960 Speaker 2: is we didn't miss a game for seventeen eighteen or 1091 01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:00,560 Speaker 2: more years, yep. And there's only two people has done 1092 01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:01,400 Speaker 2: there yep. 1093 01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,280 Speaker 3: So yeah, you still hold that record in the NFL, 1094 01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:06,040 Speaker 3: and they hold it. 1095 01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:09,160 Speaker 2: Forever because most people probably are like, I don't want it. 1096 01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:11,840 Speaker 3: I don't want that many consecutives starts. 1097 01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:16,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, but but it's it's probably more doable today because 1098 01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:19,960 Speaker 2: they've added a game in the regular season and the 1099 01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:23,960 Speaker 2: rules are much more favorable for longevity. 1100 01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:24,840 Speaker 3: Mm hmm. 1101 01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:27,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, this is the last question. 1102 01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:29,320 Speaker 3: We always asked this question. 1103 01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:34,880 Speaker 4: It's very important to me personally when is iced coffee season, 1104 01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:37,600 Speaker 4: you know, it's. 1105 01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,360 Speaker 2: That's that's a good question and one that I'm no 1106 01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:45,480 Speaker 2: expert on. Okay, because here's here's my deal with coffee. 1107 01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:51,919 Speaker 2: I don't drink coffee unless it's cold outside, so. 1108 01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:52,600 Speaker 3: You drink it hot. 1109 01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:55,360 Speaker 1: I drink it hot for you. 1110 01:02:55,440 --> 01:03:00,479 Speaker 3: It's never iced coffee season never. That's that's the right answer. 1111 01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:04,560 Speaker 2: But like, I'm with my brother and a couple of buddies. 1112 01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:08,520 Speaker 2: We're playing golf, and they want to get coffee. Yeah, 1113 01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:12,200 Speaker 2: and it's like eight o'clock in the morning, it's ninety 1114 01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:13,200 Speaker 2: degrees and. 1115 01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:16,200 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't want coffee. I like coffee, but 1116 01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:17,960 Speaker 1: I like a chai tea. 1117 01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:18,959 Speaker 2: I like in the winter. 1118 01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:19,880 Speaker 3: Okay. 1119 01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:22,720 Speaker 2: So they're they're contemplating, and I'm like, I'll just have 1120 01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:25,560 Speaker 2: a coach just ordering me a coke. And they're like, 1121 01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:30,160 Speaker 2: I want a hot chi and they're talking to the lady. 1122 01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:33,280 Speaker 2: And then my buddy Lloyd looks at my brother Scott 1123 01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:35,400 Speaker 2: and he's like, what do you want And he's like, 1124 01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:36,040 Speaker 2: I'll have. 1125 01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:36,720 Speaker 1: A chi you want? 1126 01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:41,040 Speaker 2: You want to ice or And I'm like Gemmi and Christmas. 1127 01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:47,240 Speaker 2: But yeah, so yeah, if it's cold outside. 1128 01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,600 Speaker 3: It's foreign to you, and I can get a. 1129 01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:51,600 Speaker 1: Chai tea or a vanilla latte. 1130 01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:55,520 Speaker 2: I'll do it. If it's summer, don't even think about 1131 01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:57,520 Speaker 2: bringing me a nice. 1132 01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:59,680 Speaker 3: You go without coffee for the whole time, rather. 1133 01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:02,480 Speaker 1: Drink coke, water power, you know. 1134 01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:03,160 Speaker 2: Something like that. 1135 01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:06,320 Speaker 4: Well, as I mentioned, I'm from Boston, I grew up 1136 01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:09,200 Speaker 4: on Dungan donuts and iced coffee is a big part 1137 01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:13,480 Speaker 4: of my life. So you you you're allowed to have 1138 01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:16,200 Speaker 4: your own relationship with iced coffee or none at all. 1139 01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:20,680 Speaker 4: But the correct answer is year round. The correct answer 1140 01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:22,680 Speaker 4: is ice coffee season is year round. 1141 01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:25,160 Speaker 1: Okay, So I'll file that away. 1142 01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:30,200 Speaker 3: Brett Farv, this was great. Thank you so much for 1143 01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:30,600 Speaker 3: doing this. 1144 01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:31,920 Speaker 1: Well, thanks for having. 1145 01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,920 Speaker 3: Coming up next week. I talked to Bridget Everett. 1146 01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:41,680 Speaker 4: She's an actress, a singer, cabaret star and star of 1147 01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:42,680 Speaker 4: Somebody Somewhere. 1148 01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,200 Speaker 8: If you know me from the cabaret world, I'm sort 1149 01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:47,920 Speaker 8: of like a wilderbeast. 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