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Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory. Foul Territory Networks Cubs Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Sahadev Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are your

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Speaker 1: Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic Patrick, Cubs fans

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Speaker 1: have a lot to say. They are they are angry,

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Speaker 1: They have lineup questions, they have mostly line up questions.

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Speaker 2: Bring it on, Yes, yeah, the challenges man, bring them on.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy. Yeah. The offense hasn't found its rhythm yet,

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Speaker 1: so you know they're they're going to complain and they're

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Speaker 1: going to demand that buttons be pushed to try and

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Speaker 1: and make things happen. Uh, let's get to our first question. Uh.

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Speaker 1: This is from Tyler Dershall regular. Regular. I spelled his

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Speaker 1: name wrong. That's not good, Like he deserves his name

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Speaker 1: spelled right, Tyler. As much like they did with Tucker,

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Speaker 1: could the Cubs shake things up with giving guys like

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Speaker 1: Suzuki and Bush some extra days off to see if

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Speaker 1: they can get back on track. Look for me, Patrick,

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Speaker 1: I I just don't know if if that's like a

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Speaker 1: cure all. I think Tucker got to a point where

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Speaker 1: it was absolutely necessary for him to take multiple days.

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Speaker 1: You were seeing very obvious frustration. You're seeing just completely uncharacteristic,

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Speaker 1: both behavior and and performance. The way he was swinging

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Speaker 1: the bat. You know, I don't know like we can

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Speaker 1: we can tie the two together. Because he had one

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Speaker 1: game back it looked bad, and then he went on

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Speaker 1: the road and everything was fixed. So I like, did

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Speaker 1: it work. I guess we could say yes, because he's

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Speaker 1: playing better now. I don't know if that was exactly it,

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Speaker 1: if this was bound to happen, but yes, I do

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Speaker 1: think breaks help can help it. It like sometimes they

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Speaker 1: work on specific things, like Miguel Amaya did last year

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Speaker 1: when he took that break, he was making mechanical changes.

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Speaker 1: Or was it two three years ago when David Ross

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Speaker 1: sat say Suzuki for a long stretch and then he

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Speaker 1: came out and he was red hot. So these things

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Speaker 1: can work. I think in particular, Bush gets days off

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Speaker 1: against lefties. He's sitting and gets time to think and

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Speaker 1: work through things. I don't know. I think this is

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Speaker 1: just like kind of a slump for Bush. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: talk more about Suzuki later, but I don't think he's

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Speaker 1: as bad as some people are suggesting.

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Speaker 2: Well, if I was a hit, I would not want

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Speaker 1: So I'm curious to see how.

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Speaker 2: Things present that way, Suzuki. I'm curious to get your thoughts.

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Speaker 2: I think what Dustin Kelly had told us in Anaheim

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Speaker 2: last weekend was just feels like he's kind of caught

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Speaker 2: where and I think Bush is kind of in that

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Speaker 2: sure that the pitch is a strike and then just

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Speaker 2: that split second kind of hesitation has him in kind

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Speaker 2: of a rough place right now. Council said the same

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Speaker 2: thing about Suzuki, of he's he's just off. He feels

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Speaker 2: like he's close. I'm probably reading too much into it,

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Speaker 2: but like after Wednesday night's game, say, I was just

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Speaker 1: Just felt like it was.

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Speaker 2: Just kind of one of those nights in San Francisco.

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Speaker 2: So I think the Tucker saga just drew so much attention,

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Speaker 2: which is a way it unfolded.

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Speaker 1: It's like, oh, let's.

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Speaker 2: Try that with everyone now, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Like it's it doesn't always work that way, but I

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Speaker 2: think Tyler's onto something. Like they have to be talking

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Speaker 2: about all of the stuff because it's gone on for

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Speaker 2: a bit. They've pushed this position player group.

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Speaker 1: Pretty hard.

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Speaker 2: They have a nice super utility piece in Willie Castro,

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Speaker 2: so like, I would bet it's on the table and

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Speaker 2: Bush has carried the team for stretches and like, sayah,

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Speaker 2: I'll ask you of it. What do you see going on?

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Speaker 2: Because he's just been He's been quiet for a while.

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Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, I mean there's a there's another question coming up.

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Speaker 1: I'll just answer it, but I'll talk about it now.

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Speaker 1: I think I think it's worth getting into. Look, his

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Speaker 1: expected stats aren't everything. I don't like to go too

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Speaker 1: This has been his unluckiest month. He's also just been

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Speaker 1: I don't like seeing with him, because he's always going

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Speaker 1: I think Bush is the bigger concern. I think Bush

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Speaker 1: it's been a while since we've seen that Michael Bush tear.

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Speaker 1: about how you know, things turn on a dime in baseball,

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Speaker 1: Maybe Colorado is the elixir that all these guys need. Uh,

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Speaker 1: but I don't. I don't see that that say, Suzuki's

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Speaker 1: some point Mattshaw has been awesome and may need to

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Speaker 1: Let's do our Let's make Mattshaw our draftking spotlight. All right, Patrick,

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Speaker 1: Mattshaw has been really impressive in the second half. One

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Speaker 1: I think it's worth asking the questions. Should he be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we're on agreement here. Not huge lineup

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Speaker 2: maybe that is partially why he is performing as well

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Speaker 2: And you and I both have written about that reset

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Speaker 2: he got at the All Star break and Shaw came back.

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Speaker 2: The coach has noticed it. Of I think the quote

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Speaker 2: So I think you see someone just learning on the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a ton of credit to Matt Shaw for getting

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Speaker 1: I think it clearly the Cubs are doing something right

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Speaker 1: as far as the environment for young players. This has

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Speaker 1: same path that Peter Armstrong took. Matt Shaw and Miguel

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Speaker 1: Amaya all took different paths, but they've had resets and

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Speaker 1: the and they've and they've had moments to get better.

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Speaker 1: Like this is they've created an environment for these players

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Speaker 1: In a while. Yeah, I mean, the big guys have

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Speaker 2: He's gotten some at least some laid game pinch hit

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I look, I get it. When the team isn't

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Speaker 1: Can we expect anything out of Tyn in October?

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Speaker 2: I think you should anticipate him pitching in September. The

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Speaker 2: fifteen day, I l if this was the playoffs right now,

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Speaker 2: Tyon said he would be pitching. I think there's just

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Speaker 2: some concern given his injury history, even a recent issue

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I think it's totally reasonable to expect him

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Speaker 2: in the playoffs. We don't know exactly what shape that

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Speaker 2: series would take, but if the clubs are to make

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Speaker 2: a deep run in October, they'd obviously would need tie

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Speaker 2: On to be at his best. And that's why he

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Speaker 2: felt it was really important to just kind of knock

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Speaker 2: this out and not let it linger or develop into

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Speaker 2: something worse, or compensate over compensate and have a more

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then it sounds like they're just setting this

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Speaker 1: up for October. Let's yeah, whether he actually pitches in October? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: well shape, you know, we'll see how deep of a

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Speaker 1: run they can actually make. All right, another injury question,

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Speaker 1: Any update on Soroka and if he comes back before

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Speaker 1: the end of the season, will he strictly be a

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Speaker 1: bullpen guy? I missed the waiver wire days. That's from

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Speaker 1: John Rose. John Rose. Jed Hoyer misses the waiver wire

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Speaker 1: days as well. I think most front offices do. I

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Speaker 1: think they if you're a contender. You want to be

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Speaker 1: able to pick guys up and shuffle through guys. Craig

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Speaker 1: Console's kind of the master at it. If you remember

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Speaker 1: back in the forty forty man days of September, how

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Speaker 1: good those a lot of He got a lot of

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Speaker 1: credit for maximizing all those roster spots. He really knew

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Speaker 1: how to work it. My guess is he would love

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Speaker 1: to have the not only the waiver wire days back,

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Speaker 1: but the forty man roster days back, where you don't

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Speaker 1: just go up to twenty eight September but forty What

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Speaker 1: did you hear? What have you heard about Soroka on

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Speaker 1: the road? Patrick and a Sroka.

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Speaker 2: Has been traveling with the team, which tells you something

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Speaker 2: about his time horizon here in terms of a return

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Speaker 2: to play plan. He threw off the mound, I believe,

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Speaker 2: on Tuesday in San Francisco, and the thought is, while

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Speaker 2: he's not close to being activated in the near term,

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Speaker 2: he's also not like, oh, he'll just get in the

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Speaker 2: last series of the year. I think, like loosely the

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Speaker 2: middle of September is not totally unrealistic. There's just not

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Speaker 2: enough time for them to stretch him out as a starter,

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Speaker 2: him feeling good enough to where he could throw multiple innings,

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Speaker 2: but that'll be more like out of the pen. Who

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Speaker 2: don't know, but he's not. They're not gonna just stretch

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Speaker 2: him out and you know, to one hundred pitches or

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Speaker 2: something like that. It's the whole would be he stays

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Speaker 2: on this track and can be an effective out getter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it would have been ideal if he were healthy

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Speaker 1: during that stretch that they just wrapped up of the

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Speaker 1: fourteen games in thirteen days. I think that that's when

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Speaker 1: you need a guy. I think Soroka is a good pitcher.

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Speaker 1: I think he could could help this team when he's healthy.

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Speaker 1: That like, those multi inning outings are going to be

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Speaker 1: huge for them down the stretch. I think giving breaks

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Speaker 1: to their their set up guys, their set up Righty's

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Speaker 1: like Keller and Kittridge, who you just don't want them

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Speaker 1: to wear down. Kiddridge seems to go like every other day,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's why he kind of has that

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Speaker 1: elevated ras. He's willing to throw whenever, you know, no

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Speaker 1: matter the situation, no matter the day, no matter how

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Speaker 1: much he's pitched recently. But it'll be interesting. I'm curious

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Speaker 1: to see what type of impact Soroka has if he

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Speaker 1: can help the team down the stretch, because I think

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Speaker 1: they're gonna need as many arms as they can get.

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Speaker 1: All right, guys, that's that's another mail bag episode. We

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Speaker 1: know you guys are frustrated. We'll see, uh, we'll see

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Speaker 1: if the Bats wake up in Colorado, if they can

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Speaker 1: have some big games and maybe just gain a little

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Speaker 1: swear and then come back and deal with Wrigley. Because

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna be blowing out. I think

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Speaker 1: we're not gonna have many more of those blowing out days.

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Speaker 1: It didn't get a lot this year. Not sure how

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Speaker 1: many more we're getting. Thanks for listening everyone, This is

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