WEBVTT - Pats from the Past, Episode 20: Jarvis Green 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:10.920 It's time for another episode of Pats from the Past podcast. 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:14.440 Matt Smith, alongside Brian Morian, were pleased today to be 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:17.280 joined by former Patriots defensive lineman Jarvis Green. Jarvis, how 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:17.759 you doing today? 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:19.919 I'm doing great, guys. How y'all doing doing great? 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:24.680 Let's see last we knew Jarvis? And to help Patriot fans, 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:27.760 it's January twenty twenty one. It's we're taping this on 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:30.440 the twenty first. I knew that you were in the 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:36.120 shrimp business. I believe that that is. Is it something 0:00:36.200 --> 0:00:36.800 ninety seven? 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:39.199 Help me out? Yeah, it's Ocean's ninety seven. 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:44.159 Yes, sir, I got the movie you yeahh Ocean's eleven 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:46.879 Oceans ninety seven. So you're still in the shrimp business. Yah, 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:48.800 still in the shrimp business, but you doing other things. 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:52.000 You're not a real deal entrepreneurs. Yeah, why don't we 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:53.640 tell Patriot fans what you're up to these days? 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:57.200 So I have my shrimp business Ocean's ninety seven right now. 0:00:57.600 --> 0:01:00.280 Most of my product is like in a southern eights, 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:04.280 you know, golf coasts, and then I'm on Amazon. So 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:06.600 that's kind of where I've been been living, you know, 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:09.080 with COVID the fact that we can't do we in 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:10.920 store demos and all of that, you know. So so 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:12.960 hopefully at some point we're gonna come up here, but 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:15.080 it is what it is right now. 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:18.639 So also, but I'm up here because I have an app. 0:01:18.720 --> 0:01:20.720 You know, I'm a team member with a company called 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:23.920 Chef to You, and it's gonna be like you got 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:27.280 the grub hubs, you got the uber eats, you got 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:29.560 those different type of food apps. But this app is 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:33.360 more about a chef delivering uh a meal, you know, 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:34.640 to the to the customer. 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:36.759 I'm more of a are you looking at a high 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:37.680 end sort of a thing? 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:40.679 Yeah? Over, no, no, no, no, it's all over. 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:42.640 But to think about this app is that all the 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:45.160 traditional fast food change, we're never building that app. 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:47.120 It's more about the chefs. 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:49.880 So it won't be the McDonald's, Piece of Hood, Burger, 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:52.800 king Domino, Chick fil A ever, But it's about the app. 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:56.440 And it's like local restaurants, chef owners, you know, people 0:01:56.440 --> 0:01:58.360 that you know that to that today in this world, 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:01.040 chefs are I mean, there are super heroes, you know, 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:03.240 they've got the white hat, the white cape, and I 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:06.120 think right now it's a perfect time for us, but 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:08.680 this app has been created maybe well we've been talking 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:10.760 about it, working on it for four years now, but 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:12.800 now this is the perfect time. But just because of 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:15.800 the industry, hospitality business is shut down and a lot 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:17.960 of people need more opportunities, and I think this app 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:19.520 will help those chefs. 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:21.079 And so to be, like if I if I reach 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:23.720 out through the app and I want to eat at Davio's, 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:27.120 the chef at Davio's will be listed, yeah, and then 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:29.920 I can pick from the menu that that chef has provided. 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:32.640 Yes, or you would just say I want Italian? You know, 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:34.240 are Chinese? You know? 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:36.840 So like so yeah, so it would be that chef face. 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:40.760 You know, you go into a virtual kitchen and Laila. 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:43.040 And so that chef has listed a couple of items 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:45.079 that he or she is making that evening. 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:47.480 Yes for the app, yes, yes, And then we have 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:51.400 different parts of a catering. We have food truck bartenders, buristas, 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:53.880 private chefs, chef mills you know. You know, so we 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:55.600 also have the instant meals of Gold, just like the 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:58.080 traditional food apps. 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:01.200 Just like a defensive lineman to get into selling food. 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:03.440 It sounds like you keep it busy for sure. 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:06.400 Yeah, we stayed pretty busy. Uh, it's NonStop. 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:09.400 I know last year when COVID hit around March, that's 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:12.920 where my business like went from I mean, you know, 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:16.720 one hundred to two miles an hour, you know, so 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:19.440 I had to change, had to pivot and some things 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:21.120 that you know you have for me. I'm gonna say this, 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:22.840 The way I live life is that I try to 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:25.359 make sure that could cross every bridge that that I 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:27.560 that I see will try to walk over and keep 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:31.399 those relationships with people. So I got into Ppe when 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:34.320 when COVID hit, and it kind of started with working 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:37.960 with the corrections UH corrections down South and Gola, and 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:41.040 then from that uh, I was able to win some 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:46.680 government bits and I stayed busy delivering Ppe sanitizer thanks 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:48.840 you know of such you know, for the first line workers. 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:50.960 And you're still you're living in Baton Rouge. 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:52.800 I'm in Baton Rouge now. I just bought a house 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:53.720 like six months ago. 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:57.520 Congratulations. Do they want Adrian's ahead after last year? 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:01.600 They okay, nine know it's crazy to him, I'm bragging 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:03.640 a little bit. So I sell Bass and Pep to 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:07.040 LSU football team. So I'm always around. And this year 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:09.920 was very very difficult after going fifteen to know the 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:14.280 year before. Uh, Joe Burrow, I mean that you know, 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:17.280 the team coach Ogeron. I mean, he recruited me when 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:19.600 he was at Syracuse, so I love the guy to death, 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:22.560 but it was so bad. I mean then the fact 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:25.960 that you couldn't tailgate and made things worse. And man, 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:28.880 and then again everybody see coach sab and with Alabama 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:30.200 win in the national championship. 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:33.360 So it stinks in battery rouge right now. But nobody 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:33.800 wants his. 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:37.640 Head, Okay, So that's a nice pivot title a year earlier. 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:39.680 I mean, you wanted if they wanted his head that quickly. 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:41.239 That's that's a pretty tough. 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:42.599 Gig, absolute very tough. 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:45.760 So you mentioned coach and K's down there to mention. 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:48.920 Is he's doing great? 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:51.000 I mean I saw him a couple of times when 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:54.200 when I'm inside the you know, in the coaches and 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:56.440 in the locker room, and I see him walking around 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:59.520 and he's happy just to be there. 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:00.760 I mean, he's the great. 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:03.200 Kevin Falk all the numbers he put up, but to 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:05.760 be the running back coach there, hometown boy, you know, 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:08.440 if Louisiana, I'm happy for him. 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:09.960 You know he has a smile at the grinch. 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:12.440 Just great, he's a patch from the past podcast. 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:13.600 Yes, that's right. 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:18.320 Yeah, okay, you mentioned Saban Jarvis. When you were in 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:22.440 college and you played for Nick, did you ever think 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:25.960 in that experience at college, well, listen, there can't be 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:28.640 a harder coach than this guy, right, I mean, like 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:30.960 there this is If I can play for this guy, 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:33.400 I can play for anybody. Was that your thought? Maybe 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:34.000 in college? 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:37.200 I must say we got the worst because when he 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:41.080 left Michigan State it was so much going on. Nobody 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:43.039 wanted him there. I remember I used to be one 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:44.360 of the guys and said, we just beat them. We 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:47.200 beat them forty five twenty six in the Independence Bowl, 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:50.120 you know, and it was like, why he's coming to LSU, 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:52.719 what he's going to bring? Tell you that we that 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:58.839 we never had place coach Donardo Gary DeNardo Notre Dame, Indiana, 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:01.760 and he came him in and those first two years 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:06.159 was hell, complete hell. Eight weeks of off season workouts. 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:08.840 He ran us to death. I mean, everything was something 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:11.159 different and it was unique. But at the same time 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:13.080 he knew what he was doing. But I think at 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:15.560 the same time he was was going back to the 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:18.720 drawing board as well, because he had he had that's 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:19.760 a big opportunity for him. 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:20.640 Coming from Michigan State. 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:23.000 He was like a five hundred coach, oh, I don't know, 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:26.520 six hundred winning percentage. It wasn't like he was, yeah, 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:28.680 he was gonna save. He wasna winning big ten championships 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:30.479 back to back, you know. And then he come to 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:34.240 l s U and turned the program completely around. And 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:40.240 you look at him now, seven national championships. It's unbelievable. 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:41.520 It's unbelievable, you know. 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:44.680 And I know, yeah, and a lot of guys that's 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:46.440 there with him now, some of those guys with l 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:49.360 s U back in the day. And I haven't talked 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:50.719 the same but in a couple of years, but I 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:53.159 should see him here and there, and you know, we 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:54.839 we we talked on the phone a couple of times. 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:58.080 He's the same guy. He's just intense, you know. 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:01.479 And for the guys to go every year year and 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:03.719 just to half the success he has. 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:06.560 I mean, he's doing something phenomenal and it's unique. 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:09.279 So he left LSU to go to the Dolphins, right, 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:13.200 were you surprised that he didn't last that long in 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:15.880 the NFL? Now he chose to leave to go to Alabama. 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:18.880 He didn't fire Hi in Miami, but he obviously wasn't 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:21.440 having I mean, it was only there a couple of years. 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:24.240 Wasn't having championship level success with the Dolphins. Now maybe 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:26.680 he would have gotten there, but were you surprised that it 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:27.560 only lasted a couple of years. 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:29.760 In the NFL, No, he couldn't team those guys, It's 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:32.960 a whole different world. And to me, that's the difference 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:36.720 when you okay, save but in Belichick the same person 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:39.800 to me, and a lot of people can't say that, but. 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:42.480 You played for both of them. That's kind of why 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:44.520 he started on the saving trails obviously. 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:47.480 And and yeah, now if he goes if he had 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:50.000 to come back to the pros, would he be successful, 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:52.440 We don't even know. We just don't know, but I 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:56.560 know his mentality, you know, to college kids, it's a 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:58.880 lot different, you know, compared to guys in the league 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:01.679 making you know, the millions of dollars and you're gonna 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:05.440 have the right you know, approach and philosophy for the 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:07.800 guys in the NFL. You know, So that's a big 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:11.720 difference you know between you know, Belichick and and coach Saban. 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:14.560 But I know over and over again just just what 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:17.000 he what he wants and what he needs. He get 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:18.840 it from the players, he get it from the college guys. 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:21.280 I mean it shows up every year and it's always consistent. 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:22.120 So that's hard to do. 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:25.440 So, I mean the obvious question then, Jarvis, is you 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:27.800 did time with Nick, you know, and you could you 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:30.000 saw what he did, and you so you bore the 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:34.480 fruits of his success down at LSU. How did it 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:36.360 make it easier that you had to go through those 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:39.480 eight weeks the hell that you described when you came here. 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:41.800 Did you feel like, you know, of course you got 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:43.679 a little heads up that they had worked together. Did 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:46.400 you feel like, Okay, I might be I should be 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:49.000 able to at least have been through this a little bit. 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:52.440 Well, I'm one of the guys that Coach Saban destroyed 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:57.440 my mental capacity of anything because off a few things 0:08:57.480 --> 0:08:59.960 that happened with what we met. And I remember, like 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:01.800 my first meeting when I went into the office, I 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:02.920 had blonde hair and all that. 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:05.800 So when people heard the story before and I remember. 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:07.520 It was I love the blonde hair story. 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:11.439 Yeah, and it was like it was like the first now. 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:13.480 It was the weekend when he came in as the 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:15.720 head coach, you know, And I remember I said, right side, 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:18.960 I'm coach Nator. He was a guy who been there 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:21.520 for forty five years retired. He was like, hey, coach 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:23.080 wanted to want you to sit right next to him. 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:25.280 I'm like, for what, I don't want to talk to him, 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:27.280 you know, And I'm sitting there. And we went out. 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:29.880 We went at it for like the entire night, and 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:32.800 then I took the recruit out. We always drinking, having 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:35.040 a good time. And then they called me and said, hey, coach, 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:36.800 want to meet you before the big team meeting like 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:38.320 this the first official team meeting. 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:41.080 The other shoe. I'm like, god, what does he want? 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:42.600 I get there? 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:46.880 He chewed me out for like forty minutes for what 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.080 he was, well, I mean I walked in. 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:53.080 I didn't do anything. I walked into the risks. 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:53.960 I was like one of the kids. 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:54.720 I didn't do anything. 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:55.200 No. 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:57.560 I walked into the room and I had my blonde 0:09:57.559 --> 0:09:59.760 hair and he had his back turned. He had the 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:01.400 little he had the little button thing on the door 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:03.960 to close the door automatically. Coach Noorlo didn't have that. 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:07.720 I'm like pretty cool, and he said sit down, his 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:10.520 back turn looking at the burning Moore Track LSU. That 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:14.840 was the old Administration building, and he turned around and say, 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:17.840 do you want to play in the bleep in the NFL? 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:22.200 I said, hell yeah, coach did take that blonde you 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:24.800 know out of your hair. I'm like okay. 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:27.960 And from they just start chewing me out, showing me out, 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:29.800 and he was just talking about I guess where he 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:32.280 came from, but he was going back to history, like 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:33.000 when he coached for. 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:36.440 The Browns and the Oilers, and he talked about that 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:38.200 the night before. I'm like, I don't want hear all 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:38.880 that crap. 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:42.120 You know, we beat the crap at the Independence Bowl, 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:43.160 so what you know. 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:46.160 But after that we had the team meeting. I go 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:47.080 to the team meeting. 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:51.280 I dyed my hair back black, you know, walking through, 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:53.640 And from there it just kind of started. Because a 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:56.080 lot of people don't know I met with Shaping every 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:57.319 week for two years. 0:10:57.720 --> 0:10:59.480 Every week were your team captain? 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:03.840 Yeah, but he he wanted me to be his inside guy. 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:06.680 It was more like coach, I'm not going to snitch 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:10.880 on my guys because you know, it's a different level 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:13.760 players and coaches. But I'm gonna try to help you 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:16.680 much as I can, you know, That's it. And the 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:19.000 thing was, he was just asking me little questions more 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:21.920 about everybody on the team, and he said it's gonna 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:24.040 be a transition. He even told me, like, you know, 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:25.560 if they don't make it, even like I had a 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:27.920 twin brother named Jason, he was a linebacker. He said, 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:31.000 some guys are good friends in roommates, they might not 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:32.720 be here. And I'm like, why what you gonna do? 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:35.600 You can't cut us, you know. But he did something 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:39.440 unique and he A lot of guys didn't make it. 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:41.280 My twin brother was one of them. But when I say, 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:45.319 in eight weeks, it was like the workouts coach Moffatt 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:47.480 came back. He's a Louisiana guy. He came from I 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:50.400 guess Tennessee or Miami wherever he was at the strength coach, 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:51.160 and he. 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:51.680 Put us through. 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:56.080 I mean, all my years coming up, you know, playing ball, 0:11:56.480 --> 0:12:01.960 I've never went through that type of a reset, you know. 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:04.520 And I remember one day Ryan Clark said in the game, 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:08.040 remember that moving on matrix when he said, hey, are 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:11.240 you really breathing air? You know, And we're sitting there 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:13.640 and we're like, this is what it's supposed to feel like. 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:17.760 And from that, so. 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:20.720 When you came here, then it wasn't much of a 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:22.640 culture shock, if you will no. 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:25.400 It in a way, Okay, it wasn't. 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:28.160 And it was because I had to gain my confidence 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:30.400 when I got here, because you know, I went off 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:33.200 into in the left field about saving but it was 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:35.559 more like he told me something about, hey, you don't 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:38.079 play fast enough, and I'm like, okay. My first two 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:41.719 years LSU fifteen sacks, thirty TFLs one hundred, I was, 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:44.080 but I was gonna declare early my junior year because 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:46.240 I was like, gonna mel Kiper's top twenty. I was 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:49.520 gonna declare early. And then that my junior year, we 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:51.200 came into uh that. 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:56.880 Two gap defense. That's what That's where it helped me 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:57.839 when I came here. 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:01.560 And when I got here, I'm like, damn, it's like 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:05.240 the same defense I didn't know. You know, before that, 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:08.480 I used to play book and they started saying Coromea 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:10.200 was saying this, and I'm like, old I'm reading this. 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:15.080 I'm like, this is our defense at LSU, but it's 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:19.480 old school. It's the old traditional two gap defense. Nobody 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:21.640 plays that today because it's a hard defense to. 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:22.840 Play, absolutely, you know. 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:25.040 So when all that was going on and then just 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:28.400 things were coming to me and I'm getting my confidence 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:35.040 and everything Bill philosophy is mentality. It was just like 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:38.360 Nick Sable. I remember I saying something like, yeah, you 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:41.719 do everything like Sable and Bill like no, no, no, 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:42.960 I was here first. 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:44.120 Everything like me. 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:48.000 Well he worked for him in Cleveland, right, So so 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:51.200 that had to make your transition, didn't that. I mean, Okay, 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:53.240 I gotta get my confidence going on, and now in 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:55.520 the NFL this is you know, we're getting paid, this 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:59.400 is legit. But that had to help you, didn't it from. 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:00.280 A transition to point? 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:02.640 I mean big time with transition because a lot I mean, 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:04.679 we know this system is hard on both sides of 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:06.800 the ball, and a lot of guys that come in, 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:09.319 I mean they have issues and problems. And I think 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:12.320 for me, uh, just getting into the system of understanding 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:14.680 what I what, what I'm supposed to do, that it 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:17.160 really changed. Because I know if I would have came 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:19.720 from another program to come here, I don't know what 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:20.480 doubt come would be. 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:23.280 Do you think I Mean that's probably a stupid question, 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:26.240 obvious question, but the relationship between the two is one 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:26.960 of the reasons. 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:27.360 You came here. 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:30.400 Only reason why I came here to meet with the. 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:33.080 Patriots during the draft pre draft process. 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:36.520 I'm supposed to be a free agent. I mean, so you're. 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:39.240 Gonna declare early after your first two years A lot 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:42.320 has changed, Yeah, but when so did switching into the 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:44.480 two gap system at LSU. 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:47.520 I hated it, and that drives your stats down. 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:48.160 I hated it. 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:50.400 I hated it, And so that is that why you 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:52.200 felt like your draft stock might. 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:53.160 I hated it. 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:54.840 I mean at that point, I'm liking but to get 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:56.400 out to take care of the family and do this 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:58.920 and do that. And you know, my mom always said, 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:00.960 you know, graduate that was like a promise, Like, man, 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:03.320 I might break that promise. I want to go because 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:05.920 I remember that. I remember going to my junior year 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:09.400 Mel Kuiper. I still got the thing. I gotta find 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:11.760 it somewhere, you know. And then I'm like twentieth pick. 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:14.560 I'm like, I'm declaring. And then Saban come in, change 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:16.800 the defense up. I said, you know what, Sable come in. 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:18.840 I'm gonna play my ball and get out of here 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:21.280 whatever with him, you know. But then I had a 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:23.880 high inco Spray and some things changed, the defense change, 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:26.360 and I was pretty good. I mean I remember running 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:28.600 a full four five in front of him. He's sitting 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:31.440 here talking and it was him. Mike Trickett, coach from 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:34.200 Auburn came. It was just like a lot of guys 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:37.360 was beefing with the coaches because he's not the guy 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:40.000 we wanted, you know, because I remember Mark Emmertt when 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:42.840 he was our chancellor. He's over a C double A. 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:44.880 Now we all had a meeting. We had to walk 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:49.040 out on court, Gerardo. It was me and him, Brady James, 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:52.240 Ryan Clarke, Robert Rawl, all the leaders on the team. 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:55.120 And I remember Donardo like, you know, I'm gonna make 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:57.000 all y'all run, you know whatever. We're like, you're about 0:15:57.040 --> 0:15:59.240 to get fired. Man, you can't do nothing. I mean, 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:02.160 so all that happened. But then when they when they say, hey, 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:07.000 Nick Saban coming in, everybody was pissed, everybody, not just me. 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:12.760 Interesting Now he's the greatest college coaches, right, but so 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:15.920 so let me ask you this with the benefit of time, Jarvis, 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:20.280 and boy, that was hard. He might have taken money 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:22.680 out of my pocket because you know, if I'm gonna 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:24.920 two gap. My stats aren't going to be what they were. 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:29.240 But I got into the NFL. I made it with 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:32.200 the team. The team had some success. Therefore, it helped 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:35.560 me get some success. I mean, can you look at 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:37.560 it now with hindsight and say, hey, you know what, 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:39.920 maybe I didn't want it at that time, but if 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:41.480 I look back on it, maybe it might have been 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:42.800 one of the better things. It helped to get me 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:43.280 into the league. 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:46.360 Yeah, I'm gonna say this too. The two years that 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:49.240 before Saban came in, we won seven games. That was 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:52.600 that was a terrible taste, bad smell, however you want 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:55.480 to want to call it. And when he came in, 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:58.560 but I'm gonna say this, he treated us like men 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:02.680 like this gentleman nick same and it was just like 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:05.080 even like here, like you don't have Bill running around 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:07.159 running after people. He gonna let you be an adult 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:09.960 and you paying for your consequences, you know. Saving was 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:12.119 the same way. But I mean he was like, you know, 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:15.879 you do your work for respect, you know. So he 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:18.080 always just said, don't don't ever be afraid to ask 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:20.280 a question. You don't know what I'm gonna say until 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:21.280 until you ask a question. 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:21.520 You know. 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:24.240 So he was good to us. We worked hard. That's 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:26.199 all he wanted, you know. I remember one time he 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:28.159 was like, hey, I didn't come in the babysitch. I 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:30.639 didn't come in to be your mom, your dad. I 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:32.200 didn't come in. I just came in to win football. 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:35.720 Did you get here that that it's the same thing. 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:37.680 We get here and you just won the Super Bowl? 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:39.840 Right The team had just won the Super Bowl. So 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:42.320 you're in a unique position as a rookie getting drafted. 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:43.960 Hey man, I got drafted by the Super Bowl. 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:44.159 Chack. 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:46.720 Yeah, it was I didn't know where where it was at, 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:48.240 you know. I remember asking, but Chick, I ain't. No. 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:53.560 I knew the area, but I didn't know like he was. 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:55.840 Like, you don't. You don't, like he must not studied 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:57.840 in class like this. I had nothing to do with it. 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:01.600 But where is like where's the off where's Foxborough? Yes? 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:05.840 I had no idea, right, you know, but everything that's 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:10.840 saving the transition coming here, it was everything helped in between. 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:12.359 But it also just taught me how to be a 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:15.040 team player, you know, and do your job. 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:16.680 At the end of the day, do you think you 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:20.440 realized you know, and look at rookie's fourth round pick. 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:22.679 You know you're swimming upstream for a while. You know 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:25.040 there's a lot to catch up on. How long did 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:27.080 it take you to realize when you're looking around the 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:32.840 huddle and you go, hmm, Willie McGinnis, Richard Seymour, Thy Law, 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:34.919 even though it's a different position, I mean your position, 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:39.440 your room was unbelievable. But Ty Law, Teddy Bruski, when 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:41.600 you looked at what you had there on defense and 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:44.360 you saw, you know, what you had, did you realize 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:45.520 these boys are pretty good? 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:48.159 Yeah? All of them. 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:50.920 I mean I watched Lloyd Malloy when I was you know, 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:54.040 when I was in high school. Watched him play in Washington, 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:58.399 the Huskies and all these guys, and it was it 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:00.439 was different with Tom because it was Tom, because that 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:03.720 was that was this his second year when right right, 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:05.320 So the other guys, I remember, I used to watch 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:07.680 the Desert Storm Bruski with the fifty two fifty five 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:10.119 sacks EA c W record. I mean, I watched all 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:12.040 those guys when I was in high school because I 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:15.280 remember I wanted to go to Arizona because of Teddy Bruski. 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:17.680 You know, you know, so so many guys. You see 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:21.439 him and it's like, Okay, this is not Techmobile anymore. 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:26.240 These guys are my teammates, you know. And for the 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:29.480 first year some change, I was like, I didn't belong here. 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:31.440 And I always go back and I tell people what, 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:33.760 like the question you asked for me is the FC 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:36.560 Championship game in two thousand and three when I said, 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:38.320 this is my team. 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:40.679 You know, I'm not going anywhere, you know. 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:44.280 And I remember that after that game, people all even 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:45.600 the guys because they was always tough. 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:48.080 I mean Willie, I've said behind Willie, he bust my 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:51.560 balls all the time, you know, everybody. Yeah, And I 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:53.959 mean even like Sea Bow. 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:56.800 I saw him few years ago for the for the 0:19:56.880 --> 0:19:58.840 for the Hall of Fame stuff and just seeing him 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:00.000 and people don't notice me. 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:00.560 Seymour. 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:03.520 We used to fuss all the time, but when it 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:06.639 was time to play ball, we played ball. We was 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:09.640 great teammates. We respected each other. And I always tell 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:11.320 people I never wanted his job. I just want to 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:14.000 be a part of what we had. A team. You know, 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:15.920 that's a team. And we was never a team that 0:20:16.760 --> 0:20:18.200 you didn't have one guy making all of plays. 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:20.360 Everybody made plays. Everybody did their job. 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:22.600 So just to interject here for a second brand for 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:26.800 younger Patriot fans that might not remember. Okay, let's talk 0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:33.679 about that defensive line three oh four. Okay, Richard seymour Ty, Warren, 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:38.800 Ted Washington was only there for one year, Okay, but 0:20:38.840 --> 0:20:41.359 then a rookie came in and oh four named Vince Wilfork, 0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:46.000 Jarvis Green. You know, we see Bobby Hamilton, Bobby Well Hamilton, 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:47.720 you know, only in that first couple of years. But 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:49.480 we sit here today and we think about Chiefs, the 0:20:49.480 --> 0:20:51.560 Patriots needs some help on the defensive line. How was 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:55.760 that defensive line during those years? You guys were loaded loaded. 0:20:55.840 --> 0:21:00.000 I mean even even after Ted was gone, Anthony Player 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:04.680 and Bobby gone, I mean, we were still I meant. 0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:06.280 Listen, we had to go get Ted because the failed 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:08.200 nose tackle experiment that summer. 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:10.840 That was me. 0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:14.560 Yeah, Bill, Bill, like we've been taking care for him 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:15.080 at nose tick. 0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:18.080 I'm like, what when I walked in, I'm like, he 0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:21.680 talked about this in all season nose im Okay, great, 0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:23.760 I'm going to get damniar Woody. I couldn't even get 0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:25.320 around to the middle the day. I couldn't get around 0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:27.320 Woody like, come on, man, I was like. 0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:29.359 Three O five, three ten, never in my life. 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:31.760 And then I asked Ted Johnson about Ted Washington. 0:21:31.920 --> 0:21:34.359 He says, I could show a movie on that guy's 0:21:34.359 --> 0:21:36.240 butt when I'm standing behind that question. 0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:37.600 That was. 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:41.960 That was That was I look, I'm in my second year. 0:21:42.119 --> 0:21:45.040 And and Bill called me like the night before and 0:21:45.160 --> 0:21:49.000 he didn't have to. I meant nothing, nothing, And he 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:52.120 was like, hey, look, you know she was out of respect. 0:21:52.160 --> 0:21:53.639 And you know, I think he did it because of 0:21:53.720 --> 0:21:56.640 saving just a relationship, I think. And he was like, hey, 0:21:56.840 --> 0:22:02.240 bringing to Ted Washington, I'm like you like he said, 0:22:02.320 --> 0:22:04.600 get back down to you two eighty. I was like 0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:06.560 three ten. I lost that way so quick. 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:07.520 That's great. 0:22:07.600 --> 0:22:09.720 I'm like, man, well, but you must have come in 0:22:09.840 --> 0:22:12.879 like I mean, you talked about having some confidence in 0:22:12.920 --> 0:22:15.199 the fact that you had played in the defense, but you. 0:22:15.280 --> 0:22:18.080 Also playing that two gap scheme. 0:22:17.840 --> 0:22:20.560 Is a technique thing as well, and you must have 0:22:20.600 --> 0:22:23.320 felt comfortable or they must have felt comfortable enough with 0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:26.200 you even to even try you at nose tackle because 0:22:26.200 --> 0:22:28.960 of that. Yeah, because you knew how to play that defense. 0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:30.120 Yeah, it did. 0:22:30.240 --> 0:22:32.840 And also just I think just being coachable, you know, 0:22:33.119 --> 0:22:38.320 just understanding my my, my duties because a lot of defenses. 0:22:38.480 --> 0:22:40.199 I think a lot of time you see things that 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:43.479 happen and play bus or something because people get a 0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:45.800 little edgy and try to make the play. But like 0:22:45.920 --> 0:22:48.639 you know, like like bella Chick and everybody else always like, 0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:51.439 if it's not your play, it's not your play. No, 0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:52.840 it's gonna come to you. 0:22:52.960 --> 0:22:56.040 Do your just it. And he'd been saying that for 0:22:56.119 --> 0:22:59.400 years before they start putting on T shirt. We're like, man, 0:22:59.520 --> 0:23:01.159 who the hell? Oh you know, you know anyway, it 0:23:01.200 --> 0:23:01.480 was like. 0:23:01.520 --> 0:23:02.359 I was in that meeting. 0:23:02.720 --> 0:23:05.879 Yeah, I'm like, do your job, do your job. That 0:23:05.960 --> 0:23:06.200 was it. 0:23:06.359 --> 0:23:08.359 We have my Super Bowl thirty nine saying it out 0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:12.359 inside blinds. But so it's not sexy, Jarvis. It's not sexy, 0:23:12.640 --> 0:23:15.720 and it's very It goes against what a defensive players 0:23:15.760 --> 0:23:19.399 instincts are, which are to attack, to pursuit and all 0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:21.560 those things and then foot gaps. Yeah, and for you 0:23:21.640 --> 0:23:24.520 to just sit there and take up space, that's really 0:23:24.560 --> 0:23:27.680 hard to do. And I say that because as you're 0:23:27.720 --> 0:23:31.000 talking and you mentioned Seymour, okay, and we fostered everything, 0:23:31.000 --> 0:23:34.040 but great teammates, you know, In about two weeks, Richard 0:23:34.080 --> 0:23:36.040 Seymour is gonna find out for the third time whether he's. 0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:37.800 Gonna get it. 0:23:38.160 --> 0:23:40.800 Could give give tell people why Richard Seymour is worthy 0:23:40.840 --> 0:23:41.720 of being in the Hall of Fame. 0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:45.640 They have teams that that excel and win and kick 0:23:45.680 --> 0:23:48.359 people butts. You know, through the history of any sports, 0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:51.199 if you have performers on that team, go down to 0:23:51.240 --> 0:23:53.840 the individuals, because that's what the Hall of Fame is about. 0:23:54.400 --> 0:23:59.680 It's about an individual excellent uh with great with great teams. 0:24:00.040 --> 0:24:02.840 And Richard is one of those guys. When not win 0:24:03.280 --> 0:24:07.040 the Patriots from that time, those years, those streaker years, 0:24:07.680 --> 0:24:11.200 nobody was running past Richard. He destroyed everybody that he 0:24:11.320 --> 0:24:14.400 line up against. Yeah, he didn't have twenty sax season. 0:24:14.440 --> 0:24:16.760 We ran a three to four defense, you know, but 0:24:16.880 --> 0:24:19.320 he excelled and he was an anchor in that defense 0:24:19.359 --> 0:24:23.280 and that success because those years going those eight nine 0:24:23.359 --> 0:24:26.280 years he played, our defense was very stingy and tough. 0:24:26.520 --> 0:24:29.000 There was a there's a comment that I saw BEMO 0:24:29.119 --> 0:24:32.760 the other day, and the person who made it said, 0:24:32.880 --> 0:24:35.280 I know you're gonna think I'm crazy, but there was 0:24:35.320 --> 0:24:37.679 a time in that two thousand and around two thousand 0:24:37.720 --> 0:24:39.320 and four when you guys are going for you know, 0:24:39.359 --> 0:24:42.240 back to back championships where you could look at the 0:24:42.280 --> 0:24:44.479 team and I don't want to I'm not taking anything 0:24:44.520 --> 0:24:47.119 away from Tom. Tom's the greatest has ever played. But 0:24:47.160 --> 0:24:49.320 in two thousand and four you could actually maybe have 0:24:49.359 --> 0:24:52.160 a debate who was the best player on the team. 0:24:52.400 --> 0:24:53.960 And now we look at it and go, oh, it's 0:24:54.000 --> 0:24:54.720 it's Tom Brady. 0:24:54.760 --> 0:24:55.240 Everything like that. 0:24:55.320 --> 0:24:56.680 He said, you know what, in two thousand and four, 0:24:57.200 --> 0:24:58.760 you might have had an argument in two thousand and 0:24:58.800 --> 0:25:01.040 four as to who the best player was. That's not 0:25:01.080 --> 0:25:02.240 an outlandis statement, is it. 0:25:02.440 --> 0:25:03.160 Yeah? Yeah? 0:25:03.320 --> 0:25:06.720 I mean, man, I mean a def I mean, look, definitely, 0:25:06.760 --> 0:25:09.080 when championships, I don't care what people say, you know, 0:25:09.240 --> 0:25:11.800 and I have defenses that you could just put that 0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:15.240 in a question or a sentence. I mean, Richard Seymour 0:25:15.280 --> 0:25:17.720 deserved to be in the Hall of Fame when we 0:25:17.800 --> 0:25:20.359 was kicking everybody, but he was right down the front line. 0:25:20.920 --> 0:25:23.040 You know, he deserved it, every bit of it. 0:25:23.640 --> 0:25:27.320 So let me go back then, because Richard comes here 0:25:27.480 --> 0:25:31.760 in one and arguably, I mean I remember people saying 0:25:31.920 --> 0:25:33.520 at the Super Bowl that year that he was the 0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:36.760 best defensive player on the field for both teams as 0:25:36.760 --> 0:25:37.600 a rookie. 0:25:37.840 --> 0:25:40.439 You come in and O two, so you sandwich the 0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:41.879 one team wins the super Bowl. 0:25:42.240 --> 0:25:46.520 Your second year team wins the Super Bowl three oh two. 0:25:47.520 --> 0:25:51.919 You guys couldn't stop the run. Do you remember, Like 0:25:52.080 --> 0:25:54.119 I mean, I know, the personnel was a little different. 0:25:54.480 --> 0:25:57.000 Brandon Mitchell left, not that he was a superstar player, 0:25:57.040 --> 0:25:58.320 but what's his name came in? 0:25:58.359 --> 0:26:01.040 The guy, uh what was the defensive lineman that was 0:26:01.080 --> 0:26:03.679 playing the nose? And O two a free agent. He 0:26:03.720 --> 0:26:04.480 was here for one year. 0:26:04.960 --> 0:26:08.159 Oh talking about. 0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:08.360 He was he talked all the time. 0:26:08.440 --> 0:26:10.840 Yeah he uh, he had the big old, big old, 0:26:11.080 --> 0:26:12.360 big old ahead. 0:26:12.400 --> 0:26:14.840 But but you guys, you guys really struggled stopping the run. 0:26:14.880 --> 0:26:17.679 Do you remember why what went into it? Because the 0:26:17.720 --> 0:26:19.840 next year it wasn't a problem. The previous year it 0:26:19.880 --> 0:26:22.919 wasn't a problem, but that year it was and that 0:26:23.000 --> 0:26:23.680 was your rookie year. 0:26:23.840 --> 0:26:24.719 Yeah, I don't know. 0:26:24.840 --> 0:26:26.960 I mean, I think it was the hype from from 0:26:26.960 --> 0:26:31.159 from winning, you know, and and being that first taste. 0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:35.720 And I think some people probably got a lax you know, 0:26:37.680 --> 0:26:39.560 And I think they had to they had to happen, 0:26:40.000 --> 0:26:40.479 It had to. 0:26:41.720 --> 0:26:42.560 That was just the time. 0:26:42.640 --> 0:26:46.680 And you know, you mentioned the maning game, Jarvis, When 0:26:46.720 --> 0:26:49.480 you look back at your career, you played in a 0:26:49.480 --> 0:26:51.879 lot of big games, a lot of important games. Is 0:26:51.880 --> 0:26:53.960 that the game that you kind of point to and say, 0:26:54.040 --> 0:26:56.560 you know what, that was? My game lived there? 0:26:57.080 --> 0:26:57.800 Yeah, I was. 0:26:58.040 --> 0:27:03.199 I was all twelve cylinders and playing and understand you know, 0:27:03.640 --> 0:27:05.879 like any given Sunday, I mean I had that moment. 0:27:05.960 --> 0:27:09.000 Everything was fast, couldn't hear, couldn't you know, you know, 0:27:09.720 --> 0:27:14.879 stomach shaky, butterflies going crazy, and and then everything like 0:27:15.040 --> 0:27:19.160 just slowed down because I remember times like when Raybel 0:27:19.200 --> 0:27:21.080 and myself we got on the field, and even some 0:27:21.119 --> 0:27:21.639 other guys. 0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:23.959 I mean, reading lips was big for us. 0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:27.000 Just reading lips and just knowing and knowing the players 0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:31.879 and understanding the audibles, understanding the checkdowns, understanding what you're 0:27:31.960 --> 0:27:34.119 the guy next, thing you're going to do, Understand the 0:27:34.160 --> 0:27:36.479 guy behind you know what you're gonna do. So for me, 0:27:36.680 --> 0:27:39.439 everything came together on the field. But then, well I'm 0:27:39.440 --> 0:27:41.680 gonna say this too. This is one thing I always 0:27:41.680 --> 0:27:44.359 tell people. I remember the first year and a half, 0:27:44.960 --> 0:27:47.520 every game I was getting six or seven mental errors 0:27:47.680 --> 0:27:51.840 every game, and after that that AFC Championship game, I 0:27:51.920 --> 0:27:55.880 was probably average six month eras of a season sixteen games, 0:27:56.359 --> 0:27:58.919 you know, and that's all confidence, all confidence. 0:27:59.080 --> 0:28:02.639 That's interesting. Do you think, speaking of confidence, do you 0:28:02.720 --> 0:28:05.480 think in those early years that you had Peyton's number, 0:28:05.560 --> 0:28:07.000 that the Patrin Peyton's Oh. 0:28:07.000 --> 0:28:08.919 Yeah, I did too. Yeah, I used to call him 0:28:08.920 --> 0:28:12.879 all the time. But uh, it was just that time, 0:28:12.960 --> 0:28:16.000 you know, we we had it. I mean, but then 0:28:16.040 --> 0:28:18.320 people said, so what happened at your game? Playing him different? 0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:18.560 Now? 0:28:19.240 --> 0:28:24.159 It just he just he couldn't excel with us. I remember, 0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:26.959 I remember when the game when he when when they 0:28:27.000 --> 0:28:34.639 beat us. You know, we went to Indy. I think 0:28:34.680 --> 0:28:35.720 we all had a bug. 0:28:35.520 --> 0:28:37.960 That so you you were, you beat San Diego in 0:28:37.960 --> 0:28:39.880 the divisional round and then we. 0:28:39.800 --> 0:28:42.440 Should have three and a half time we should have went. 0:28:42.480 --> 0:28:45.600 I remember when to halftime and our phones was blowing up, 0:28:46.000 --> 0:28:49.640 and Bill like cut phones off and we were like, okay, 0:28:49.680 --> 0:28:50.680 back to back to back. 0:28:51.160 --> 0:28:53.840 That was the year and would have made history. 0:28:53.920 --> 0:28:57.720 Right, No, you're confusing years. You're thinking of five. 0:28:58.520 --> 0:28:59.120 Okay, we would have. 0:28:59.160 --> 0:29:01.600 We would have did three of four, crack right, three 0:29:01.600 --> 0:29:04.280 out of four and or four out of five. 0:29:04.320 --> 0:29:06.760 It would have been four to six. 0:29:07.640 --> 0:29:09.720 I don't know what happened. We had guys cramping up 0:29:09.720 --> 0:29:12.600 in the first quarter. I mean, I've never cramped up. 0:29:12.600 --> 0:29:14.880 I'm always hydrid. I cramped up. I'm like, what is 0:29:14.960 --> 0:29:18.120 going on? And after that, I don't know, somebody, somebody 0:29:18.120 --> 0:29:21.040 did something because the team we watched a film. 0:29:21.280 --> 0:29:26.640 We all looked so fluggish and nobody, nobody knows. 0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:31.000 We lost like eight guys cramped up, you know, is 0:29:31.040 --> 0:29:33.400 it because they raised the timbership of an extra ten degrees? 0:29:34.080 --> 0:29:35.800 Colts would have done that indoors pumped in. 0:29:37.840 --> 0:29:39.960 But that was a crazy that was that was crazy, man. 0:29:40.000 --> 0:29:44.080 But I know, just just the confidence and playing and 0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:47.120 know I belong here, and just I mean I was whatever. 0:29:47.200 --> 0:29:49.920 I was third down guy, whatever I could play, I 0:29:49.960 --> 0:29:50.840 played when they needed me. 0:29:51.200 --> 0:29:53.200 So you go from the high in the confidence of 0:29:53.240 --> 0:29:57.480 Peyton Manning was the low not being able to get 0:29:57.480 --> 0:29:58.120 Eli down. 0:29:59.440 --> 0:30:01.320 I guess we got cheated. 0:30:01.320 --> 0:30:04.959 But anyway, yeah, well, I mean, isn't the famous picture 0:30:05.560 --> 0:30:06.960 don't they have Seymour around the neck. 0:30:07.120 --> 0:30:09.800 And then I'm kind of dragging because when that play happened, 0:30:09.800 --> 0:30:11.560 I was like one of the longest players ever for 0:30:11.680 --> 0:30:12.480 the entire year. 0:30:13.000 --> 0:30:17.080 But I mean the entire game, they was holding, grabbing, choking, pulling, I. 0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:19.080 See some of the guys just today they were like, 0:30:19.120 --> 0:30:23.000 it was holding off so much and we missed five 0:30:23.040 --> 0:30:27.240 interceptions from Eli right through our hands. Uh maybe it 0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:29.280 was blown coverage. I really don't know what happened in 0:30:29.280 --> 0:30:31.520 the second there. I have no idea, but it's like 0:30:31.800 --> 0:30:34.200 he should have been sacked. They would have sacked today. 0:30:34.200 --> 0:30:37.120 He would have got sacked. You know, it's flag football today. 0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:39.040 But but I mean, he got through the back of 0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:42.120 the huddle and everything just like stopped. 0:30:42.160 --> 0:30:48.000 And there was a really interesting thing done fairly quickly 0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:50.520 after that oh seven season where Mike carried Do you 0:30:50.520 --> 0:30:54.600 remember Mike the head referee of the game, and oh 0:30:54.720 --> 0:30:56.680 you remember that? Yeah, and he was he was one 0:30:56.720 --> 0:31:00.280 with Rodney and you know, Rodney's still sick of it, 0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:04.080 can you know, barely stomach it even today. And they 0:31:04.120 --> 0:31:06.719 showed they had the all twenty two, and they showed 0:31:06.840 --> 0:31:10.400 Carrie and they showed the play and you see you 0:31:10.480 --> 0:31:15.000 guys engulf Eli and Carrie was talking about it. He 0:31:15.360 --> 0:31:19.640 sprints up to the pocket where Eli is ready to 0:31:19.640 --> 0:31:24.120 blow the play dead, and he didn't, and he hesitated. 0:31:24.680 --> 0:31:27.160 That's when Eli kind of peeled out. But you see, 0:31:27.240 --> 0:31:29.800 you can see Carrie like run ten yards up to 0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:32.120 like he's in the grass. We got to blow it dead, 0:31:32.600 --> 0:31:33.240 and he didn't blow it. 0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:36.680 And then watching all the games, like when he got 0:31:36.760 --> 0:31:39.840 sacked and I remember Pep, of course Pepper. 0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:40.560 He was like, look at this guy. 0:31:40.600 --> 0:31:43.360 He get touchy fall, you know, so we're like, it's 0:31:43.360 --> 0:31:45.200 gonna be easy to get him down. He's not like a fighter. 0:31:45.600 --> 0:31:48.960 He's not a been Rossenberger, you know. And I still 0:31:48.960 --> 0:31:50.360 can't say been name, right, I don't if I can 0:31:50.440 --> 0:31:54.280 say that right, And uh, it just didn't make sense. 0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:55.960 But again, he was playing for a lot of money 0:31:56.000 --> 0:31:58.600 too if he won that game, so I can understand motivationists, 0:31:58.640 --> 0:31:58.840 you know. 0:31:59.200 --> 0:32:01.480 But it's the Super Bowl. In Super Bowl, Yeah yeah, 0:32:01.640 --> 0:32:02.320 final drive. 0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:04.400 Yeah, you're right, that would have been That would have 0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:05.680 been it, though, That would have been the game. 0:32:05.760 --> 0:32:07.640 Well, and a guy with four catches on the season 0:32:07.640 --> 0:32:08.760 catches the ball on his head too. 0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:14.120 Nobody expected that, right, It's just that that was incomplete 0:32:14.320 --> 0:32:15.960 think it was no. 0:32:15.680 --> 0:32:21.360 No try, though, good try. I wish it was. Listen, 0:32:21.360 --> 0:32:23.160 we had a nineteen and o exhbit planned out for 0:32:23.200 --> 0:32:25.239 the museum. I just you know that we didn't get 0:32:25.280 --> 0:32:25.680 to build. 0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:28.760 So it's like It's like, you know, you say, where 0:32:28.760 --> 0:32:30.800 are they now? That would have happened? You know what 0:32:30.920 --> 0:32:31.680 that would have done. 0:32:31.800 --> 0:32:35.000 I mean after that, after that run, people like this 0:32:35.080 --> 0:32:36.200 will never happen again. 0:32:37.480 --> 0:32:41.240 New England is done. Great, great, great, great success. 0:32:41.280 --> 0:32:43.920 But I mean, golly, after that to watch the games 0:32:43.960 --> 0:32:46.840 and to be a fan now and just watch like again, 0:32:46.960 --> 0:32:50.280 you know, another super Bowl, another super Bowl. So for me, 0:32:50.760 --> 0:32:53.520 everybody hates me back home, everybody. 0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:56.480 But for you does it. It's got to be with 0:32:56.520 --> 0:32:58.720 the sense of pride that you look back. Yeah, yeah 0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:02.080 you had, Yeah, you want it twice. You maybe should 0:33:02.080 --> 0:33:04.240 have wanted a third time. Although hey, look the Giants 0:33:04.280 --> 0:33:07.280 get paid two and they played well that day. Yeah, 0:33:07.360 --> 0:33:11.040 but to see how the franchise did even after you 0:33:11.040 --> 0:33:12.640 were left, it's got to be with a sense of 0:33:12.640 --> 0:33:15.000 pride that you were you were part of maybe the 0:33:15.000 --> 0:33:17.480 ground floor, maybe not the ground floor pretty early on. 0:33:17.960 --> 0:33:19.960 And to see this twenty year success has got to. 0:33:19.920 --> 0:33:22.040 Be definitely I think definitely, man, I mean just to 0:33:22.080 --> 0:33:23.760 be part of it. And though I tell people to 0:33:23.960 --> 0:33:26.840 like the alumni guys the other not me, not the 0:33:26.880 --> 0:33:30.080 Patriot alone, but other teams. I mean, everybody envy the Patriots, 0:33:30.120 --> 0:33:31.800 just the way they do things, I mean for us, 0:33:31.840 --> 0:33:34.240 like being an alumni to come back and all the 0:33:34.240 --> 0:33:36.560 stuff that they do for us, and just to be 0:33:36.640 --> 0:33:38.880 a part of it, you know. I mean everybody, we 0:33:38.920 --> 0:33:41.440 bleed it. We leave, were still bleeding. We're still bleeding, 0:33:41.480 --> 0:33:44.080 you know, the Patriots colors, you know, So just to 0:33:44.120 --> 0:33:48.160 see it and just to smell it, to hear it, 0:33:48.160 --> 0:33:50.760 it's a wild factor every time. I mean I did 0:33:50.760 --> 0:33:54.000 an interview with some magazine. I was talking about when 0:33:54.160 --> 0:33:56.920 when when I got When I got, When I went 0:33:56.960 --> 0:34:00.240 to Denver, A lot of stuff happened in between, you know, 0:34:01.120 --> 0:34:04.320 Bill and myself agent, and it was so much and 0:34:04.360 --> 0:34:05.840 it was like I had a bad. 0:34:05.720 --> 0:34:07.040 Taste in my mouth. I said, I never want to 0:34:07.080 --> 0:34:07.680 come here again. 0:34:08.360 --> 0:34:10.960 And then I remember going to the Saints game and 0:34:11.040 --> 0:34:12.640 they had me on a jumper tron for a few 0:34:12.640 --> 0:34:15.800 seconds and my phone blew up because stay had everybody's numbers, 0:34:15.800 --> 0:34:18.520 you know, phone blew up and some media stuff and 0:34:18.520 --> 0:34:20.560 then somebody, I don't know if it was Pepper or 0:34:21.000 --> 0:34:23.520 Bears told me to come to the facility. I'm like, 0:34:23.600 --> 0:34:26.360 for what, And I get it here first person myself 0:34:26.440 --> 0:34:29.440 was time. Then I saw Bill, you know, dry face, 0:34:29.719 --> 0:34:32.880 We talking. You know, it was more like the passes 0:34:32.920 --> 0:34:35.840 behind us and move forward. And I remember leaving the 0:34:35.840 --> 0:34:39.319 facility crying. After I went, he told me to come 0:34:39.320 --> 0:34:41.800 into the coaches room and I met all the coaches. 0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:44.560 The ones I didn't know, I handshake the ones I knew. 0:34:44.560 --> 0:34:48.240 I bear hug them, and just so emotional that moment. 0:34:48.719 --> 0:34:51.920 A lot of guys they don't experience that from other teams. 0:34:52.760 --> 0:34:54.680 A lot of guys don't. We have so much success 0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:58.000 here and eight years for me, it was like a lifetime, 0:34:58.680 --> 0:35:01.240 you know, and still to this day to be here 0:35:01.280 --> 0:35:04.160 talking about the past is like is like the president 0:35:04.200 --> 0:35:04.440 for me. 0:35:04.719 --> 0:35:07.960 Well, you're in business now, Okay, you're a businessman, You're 0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:11.200 an entrepreneur, and so you know it. You know, Bill famously, 0:35:11.600 --> 0:35:14.280 this is a business and there are times that things happen. 0:35:14.920 --> 0:35:18.360 You mentioned lawyer. You know, lawyer goes. It's a business decision. 0:35:18.400 --> 0:35:21.359 But but if you can get past that, and who 0:35:21.360 --> 0:35:23.120 am I to sit here and talk about whether you 0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:25.239 ken or can't because you said hard feelings and I 0:35:25.280 --> 0:35:29.560 get that, But I think Bill to say that he 0:35:29.600 --> 0:35:32.759 appreciates what you guys did and what you accomplished, I 0:35:32.760 --> 0:35:36.720 think as a grotesque understatement. You're always family. You're always 0:35:36.719 --> 0:35:38.719 going to be family to him, and I'm tardless of 0:35:38.719 --> 0:35:41.560 how it ends. And I tell people he's a player's coach, right. 0:35:41.800 --> 0:35:44.800 He may not appear that way publicly, but he takes 0:35:44.840 --> 0:35:45.640 care of his guys. 0:35:46.440 --> 0:35:48.600 I remember I went to Denver. They ran me into 0:35:48.640 --> 0:35:53.279 the dirt, and I'm like, I tell guys, look, man, 0:35:54.400 --> 0:35:57.759 you're a free agent. Just think about it, you know. 0:35:57.880 --> 0:35:59.920 If you hear, just really think about what you do. 0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:05.399 You know, because from from Bill to the cafeteria, training room, 0:36:05.560 --> 0:36:09.359 the equipment room, the weight room, everybody takes care of everybody, 0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:11.200 you know, and you missed that when you go to 0:36:11.239 --> 0:36:14.680 other programs and did they treatse like a number here? 0:36:14.880 --> 0:36:15.920 No? 0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:20.200 No, So that's that's priceless, especially when it comes to 0:36:20.239 --> 0:36:23.120 physical you know, and mental aspect of everything. 0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:25.480 You know well, and I think, you know, we talk 0:36:25.520 --> 0:36:26.399 about this all the time. 0:36:26.760 --> 0:36:30.480 I look historically at the league, Jarvis, with teams that 0:36:30.560 --> 0:36:35.640 have good ownership generally don't stay down long. The Steelers 0:36:35.640 --> 0:36:37.680 are always a great example of a team. They may 0:36:37.760 --> 0:36:41.120 dip if they come, whereas the teams that maybe don't 0:36:41.160 --> 0:36:43.920 have great ownership to show they may spike, but they 0:36:43.920 --> 0:36:44.840 don't stay there. 0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:45.480 They go the other way. 0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:46.720 Not consistent. I agree. 0:36:47.160 --> 0:36:49.520 So I think you know the fact that when Bill 0:36:49.600 --> 0:36:53.839 came in here and especially when July Stadium was built 0:36:53.880 --> 0:36:55.960 because the old place, you know, you didn't play in 0:36:55.960 --> 0:36:58.719 that old high school stadium that they played in, but 0:36:58.840 --> 0:37:02.200 the but the amenatees and everything they need to be 0:37:02.320 --> 0:37:06.840 successful is put in place. And that's because Bill wanted 0:37:06.880 --> 0:37:09.360 to make sure everything was in place to be successful, 0:37:09.400 --> 0:37:10.719 and then Robert gave him that. 0:37:11.360 --> 0:37:13.040 So it starts, I think, at the top. 0:37:13.120 --> 0:37:16.400 And you know, then Bill builds the culture with those things, 0:37:16.880 --> 0:37:17.960 those tools in place. 0:37:18.360 --> 0:37:22.520 Yes, yes, I mean that's priceless, hands down off everything, 0:37:22.560 --> 0:37:25.560 you know, So just being here and just understanding the 0:37:25.680 --> 0:37:26.280 little things. 0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:28.080 And let me ask you this because. 0:37:29.239 --> 0:37:30.719 Alan the tight end that was here a couple of 0:37:30.800 --> 0:37:34.000 years ago, Dwayne Allen, he was over at the Hall 0:37:34.040 --> 0:37:37.640 of Fame speaking to the fans one time and he said, 0:37:37.800 --> 0:37:40.040 and I think I've asked somebody else about this, but 0:37:40.520 --> 0:37:44.520 he was talking about when he was in Indianapolis. They 0:37:44.560 --> 0:37:47.520 came here for the AFC Championship, lost forty five to seven, 0:37:48.160 --> 0:37:49.839 and he thought they were going to win the game. 0:37:49.920 --> 0:37:51.920 Like he thought, where every bit is good if not 0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:54.439 better than the Patriots. And he goes and they blew 0:37:54.520 --> 0:37:54.879 us out. 0:37:55.520 --> 0:37:57.520 He goes, And I left the stadium that day thinking 0:37:58.120 --> 0:38:02.759 how did that happen? And when I signed here, I 0:38:02.840 --> 0:38:05.600 realized how it happened. That they just work harder than 0:38:05.600 --> 0:38:06.239 everybody else. 0:38:06.840 --> 0:38:07.480 That's what he said. 0:38:07.520 --> 0:38:10.600 They just work harder than everybody else. Do you think 0:38:10.600 --> 0:38:13.239 that's true? So what did you how do you compare 0:38:13.239 --> 0:38:14.680 it to what happened in Denver? Who was your coach 0:38:14.680 --> 0:38:15.000 in Denver? 0:38:15.760 --> 0:38:18.560 Josh? So, Josh got the program him in here. 0:38:19.960 --> 0:38:21.839 But but Josh didn't bring that element out there. 0:38:21.880 --> 0:38:23.399 Oh you know what, You know what it takes time 0:38:23.440 --> 0:38:25.200 to as well. You gotta you gotta grow a flower, 0:38:25.239 --> 0:38:27.040 you gotta water it. You know, you gotta take care 0:38:27.080 --> 0:38:29.000 of it, you gotta nurture it. And I think what 0:38:29.239 --> 0:38:32.319 he got there? People looking for quick success. And I 0:38:32.360 --> 0:38:34.160 remember when I got Oh my goodness, it was like 0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:35.680 it was like hell on wheels. 0:38:35.719 --> 0:38:38.040 I got there. And I'm gonna say this too. 0:38:39.560 --> 0:38:41.160 If you if you just a coach and not a 0:38:41.160 --> 0:38:43.799 GM coach, it's like it's like night and day on 0:38:43.880 --> 0:38:44.680 what you can do? 0:38:44.960 --> 0:38:45.719 What you can do? 0:38:47.040 --> 0:38:59.600 Denver hates Patriots. Patriots staff period. It's personal personal. Everything 0:38:59.640 --> 0:39:03.160 I did from the training even the cafeteria. People hate this, 0:39:03.440 --> 0:39:07.440 but but but the strength coach, I don't. I'm not 0:39:07.440 --> 0:39:10.000 gonna say any names. But when I went there, I 0:39:10.080 --> 0:39:12.920 remember telling telling my kids Mom, I think I made 0:39:12.960 --> 0:39:17.000 a bad decision. It was before the season started terrible, 0:39:18.000 --> 0:39:20.000 and they knew I had my situation with my knee, 0:39:20.080 --> 0:39:23.640 my back and all. They ran me into the dirt 0:39:23.920 --> 0:39:28.279 and they knew this. And I remember I'm sitting there 0:39:28.280 --> 0:39:32.040 talking to the strength coach. He got me on the squat, 0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:35.160 three plates, three plates on both sides. I said, coach, 0:39:35.200 --> 0:39:37.279 I have not squatted in eight years because of my back. 0:39:37.640 --> 0:39:40.880 I do bear squats, I do bullet squats on Nagas squats. 0:39:41.200 --> 0:39:44.600 I'm like, you know, drop you whatever. I'm not tough. 0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:45.360 You know. 0:39:45.400 --> 0:39:48.600 He come from the Patriots. No y'all betting everybody. It's 0:39:48.640 --> 0:39:50.560 a strength coach. And I'm like, hey, go talk to 0:39:50.560 --> 0:39:51.799 the strength coach. He had New England. 0:39:51.840 --> 0:39:52.239 He'll tell you. 0:39:52.200 --> 0:39:53.520 He'd give my whole He didn't. He didn't get you 0:39:53.600 --> 0:39:56.440 the paperwork. Then they put the sin all my stuff, 0:39:56.680 --> 0:39:58.719 Like who is that? I said, you know who that is? 0:39:58.719 --> 0:40:02.000 He got six Super Bowl rings so that was my 0:40:02.080 --> 0:40:03.960 attire six months at Denver. 0:40:04.920 --> 0:40:05.720 It was terrible. 0:40:06.280 --> 0:40:08.680 Yeah, and I think i'd like to think that that's 0:40:08.760 --> 0:40:10.680 Josh's first experience and. 0:40:11.000 --> 0:40:12.480 You know, I mean he had no control. 0:40:12.760 --> 0:40:14.680 Yeah, but yeah, but see, I would say this, and 0:40:14.719 --> 0:40:17.440 I think you see this and you know, builded it 0:40:17.480 --> 0:40:18.440 to a certain extent. 0:40:18.480 --> 0:40:20.680 I mean, certain guys stayed. But when you go into 0:40:20.680 --> 0:40:21.640 a situation. 0:40:21.320 --> 0:40:22.440 Like that, you have to be able to get rid 0:40:22.480 --> 0:40:24.279 of everybody yep and bring your own people in yep. 0:40:24.920 --> 0:40:27.000 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 0:40:27.400 --> 0:40:30.000 Just like the President knew Bien he bring all these 0:40:30.000 --> 0:40:31.520 people in. OHI you're supposed to do. 0:40:31.680 --> 0:40:34.920 Right, yep. Last one for me here, Jarvis. You know, 0:40:35.239 --> 0:40:37.120 I think this was to say that this was an 0:40:37.200 --> 0:40:40.359 unusual year for Patriot fans would be an understatement. They've 0:40:40.360 --> 0:40:43.600 been spoiled, quite honestly. With twenty years of success, they 0:40:43.640 --> 0:40:46.719 dip down, you know, and things like that. You talked 0:40:46.719 --> 0:40:49.480 about ownership being on the same page, coaching being on 0:40:49.520 --> 0:40:51.960 the same page, and everything like that. My guess is 0:40:51.960 --> 0:40:55.400 that you're pretty confident in the infrastructure here that it 0:40:55.480 --> 0:40:57.880 was a blip on the Raiders screen, but there's not 0:40:58.000 --> 0:41:00.440 anybody better that you'd want to try to turn this 0:41:00.480 --> 0:41:02.359 team around. And Bill Belichick, would that be fair? 0:41:02.640 --> 0:41:05.760 I mean, who else you're gonna bring over here? Hm? 0:41:06.200 --> 0:41:07.239 That has the experience? 0:41:08.760 --> 0:41:08.920 Let me? 0:41:09.200 --> 0:41:11.560 I mean, let's bring a new guy to college over there. Yeah. 0:41:11.920 --> 0:41:13.600 It work intill we trust. 0:41:13.680 --> 0:41:15.480 Yeah, that's it and Bill, we trust. 0:41:16.320 --> 0:41:18.839 Hey, you mentioned you mentioned how they hated you. They 0:41:18.840 --> 0:41:20.879 hate you down and back home for being for being 0:41:20.920 --> 0:41:23.960 a Patriot? Is it a respect hate? I always called it. 0:41:23.920 --> 0:41:25.160 A respect definitely. Yeah. 0:41:25.360 --> 0:41:27.960 They just hate that you won. Somebody won, That's why 0:41:28.000 --> 0:41:28.359 they hate. 0:41:28.560 --> 0:41:32.080 Oh yeah, look I had my times with everywhere I 0:41:32.160 --> 0:41:35.160 go and then oh, the winner he shows up, you know. 0:41:35.400 --> 0:41:37.040 Oh you get the other stuff about some of the 0:41:37.040 --> 0:41:39.160 seasons when we had the fines and all, and they 0:41:39.160 --> 0:41:41.600 bring that up about Okay, you know we won, so 0:41:41.640 --> 0:41:43.680 what but people don't understand. So yeah, but we gotta 0:41:43.680 --> 0:41:47.239 still play the game, and we a lot of times 0:41:47.239 --> 0:41:49.000 you hear about Pittsburgh by being physical. 0:41:49.480 --> 0:41:52.800 The years I played, we was very, very very physical. 0:41:52.840 --> 0:41:57.839 We should beat people down physically, you know, we want 0:41:58.040 --> 0:42:02.120 a fast team. Now that one year we had fifty touchdowns, 0:42:02.200 --> 0:42:04.520 y'all got to play a better defense. I'm sorry, you know, 0:42:04.640 --> 0:42:08.320 but we was physical and I remember sometimes when we 0:42:08.360 --> 0:42:10.640 couldn't run us. We couldn't run like a like a 0:42:11.080 --> 0:42:15.239 blitz of stunt and Bill like or Romeo, y'all can't 0:42:15.320 --> 0:42:17.800 run to play, We're gonna go three four based defense. 0:42:18.239 --> 0:42:21.320 We hate three four based defense, but three four based 0:42:21.320 --> 0:42:24.920 defense mean eighty five eighty percent of the guys have 0:42:25.000 --> 0:42:27.200 to win the battle. But it's it's terrible. It's the 0:42:27.200 --> 0:42:30.400 base defense. You play that in the seventh grade, you know, 0:42:31.040 --> 0:42:34.279 we want to run around stunts and call games. And 0:42:34.320 --> 0:42:36.719 the Bill said until you running out, I mean till 0:42:36.719 --> 0:42:39.520 you run it right or correct. We're gonna start doing that, 0:42:39.800 --> 0:42:42.600 you know. So, But it was fun times because I remember, 0:42:42.680 --> 0:42:44.840 but I mean Brusk used to come over to the huddle. 0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:47.400 Hey guys, guys, we have a new play. 0:42:48.360 --> 0:42:52.879 Three four defense base and we did that a bunch 0:42:52.920 --> 0:42:54.480 of times, and we did it well. 0:42:55.520 --> 0:42:59.120 Our guest has been Jarvis Green Form Patriot, Lineman, uh 0:42:59.400 --> 0:43:04.640 shrimp and app food ordering app entrepreneur. Best of luck, 0:43:04.680 --> 0:43:07.080 going forward, be safe, Thank you well, all. 0:43:07.000 --> 0:43:08.440 Right, Thanksvis. 0:43:08.920 --> 0:43:10.560 And it was Steve Martin was the player I was 0:43:10.600 --> 0:43:14.440 trying to think. 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