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Speaker 1: Welcome to the news edition of the Giants Huttle Podcast.

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Speaker 1: John Schmoke with you today's guest executive director of the

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Speaker 1: Reesa's Senior Bowl. He's Jim Naggy. But first or remind

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Speaker 1: to Jim Nagy straight from mobile. Already getting ready. I

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Speaker 1: saw your tweet Jim for Reesas Senior Bowl. No rest

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Speaker 1: of the weary, I guess my friend. Welcome. I hope

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Speaker 1: this draft process and what I'm sure it was a

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Speaker 1: really weird year treated you as well as it possibly

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Speaker 1: could have. Yeah, John, thanks for remember having me back

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Speaker 1: on Uh yeah, it's uh, it was a great draft process. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: having the Senior Bowl this year during kind of the

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Speaker 1: throes of covid um took a lot, so it was

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Speaker 1: a stressful year. But we're glad that we're able to

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Speaker 1: have the event this year and and really do it

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Speaker 1: safely and uh, you know, draft weeks. Always great to

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Speaker 1: see all our guys get drafted them they then realized

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Speaker 1: their dreams and uh, we hadt pent of the draft

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Speaker 1: came through Mobile this year, so we were we were

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Speaker 1: really really pleased with that number. And uh, like you said,

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Speaker 1: now we're we're ono, got a lot of work to do.

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Speaker 1: And you always, Jim, have a handful of guys sneak

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Speaker 1: was Cadarius Tony and he goes from the New York Giants.

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Speaker 1: And overall, what was it like working with Cadarius and

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Speaker 1: wasn't active necessarily every day that that he was in Mobile,

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Speaker 1: But what was that experience like working with Canarius and

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Speaker 1: him with your staff and the coaching staffs for that

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Speaker 1: week in Mobile. Yeah, this has been uh a long

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Speaker 1: time scouting on Kidarius. I saw him play back in

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Speaker 1: high school when he was at Blunt High School here

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Speaker 1: prior to this job, when I was working for the Seahawks,

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Speaker 1: I remember seeing Cadarius on the practice field in Gainesville

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Speaker 1: like it was a group devoid of talent. Um. So

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Speaker 1: you have been scotton Candarius a long time. It was

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Speaker 1: great having him here for the week. He had three

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Speaker 1: really the only day he missed was game day, but

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Speaker 1: really put on a show the other three days. He's

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Speaker 1: a phenomenal athlete. And I thought he was the best

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Speaker 1: uh uh, Dave Gentleman doesn't typically trade back, so when

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Speaker 1: and and what Katie is gonna bring to that offense. Um,

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Speaker 1: And what kind of drew me to Tony is that,

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Speaker 1: immaturity based on some of the stuff that happened in college.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's what Chris Pettitt brought up in

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Speaker 1: that process, I'll not so so at Candarius. You know,

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Speaker 1: he had a beat down of about sixteen fifteen teams

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Speaker 1: that's who he is. I think you're gonna love being

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Speaker 1: you could end up being Lamar Jackson. Wow. I'll tell

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Speaker 1: back to this year's class. Aaron Robinson, the Giants third

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Speaker 1: experience as a number of starts, his production as a senior.

428
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Speaker 1: I wonder if it wasn't for the fact that he's

429
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Speaker 1: gonna turn in September, if he wouldn't have been a

430
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Speaker 1: much earlier picking this year's draft based on his performance. Yeah, John,

431
00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,520
Speaker 1: you nailed it. It was you know, I do a

432
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Speaker 1: lot of calling around after the draft and get with

433
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Speaker 1: guys in the league and why guys maybe fell and uh, yeah,

434
00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:45,960
Speaker 1: it was just an age thing. And we knew that

435
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Speaker 1: when we invited him, Um, that that age might cause

436
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Speaker 1: causing road Darius to slip a little bit. But you know,

437
00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,600
Speaker 1: made a really nice jump as a senior. Really nice jump.

438
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Speaker 1: And when we invited him, I guy on the phone

439
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Speaker 1: of the TV coach at Oklahoma State and uh, you know,

440
00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:04,320
Speaker 1: really the focal point last offseason was just being more

441
00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,640
Speaker 1: dialed in, right, Like the physical talent was all there,

442
00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:09,879
Speaker 1: but just being more dialed in as a player and

443
00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:11,680
Speaker 1: you and that showed up on tape. I mean, he

444
00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,679
Speaker 1: finishing on the ball a lot better. Um, when he

445
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Speaker 1: was in phase to make a play. He made plays

446
00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:20,399
Speaker 1: that he wasn't making the year before. Um. So a big, long, boggy,

447
00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,600
Speaker 1: long body player out on the perimeter that it is

448
00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:27,719
Speaker 1: hard to throw over out there and then can finish. Um. Again,

449
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Speaker 1: I I thought we had him in like the third

450
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Speaker 1: fourth round range on our board off all, Um, that's

451
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Speaker 1: where we got him to over the summer, he was

452
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Speaker 1: we had him in the sixth So he made a

453
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Speaker 1: really nice jump this year. So, uh, they've got a

454
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Speaker 1: guy that can make their team in the sixth Where

455
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Speaker 1: do you go in the sixth round? Is that right? Yeah? Yeah,

456
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Speaker 1: So in the sixth round you got a guy that's

457
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Speaker 1: gonna make your roster. Um, that's a big deal. And

458
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Speaker 1: I think we're the league's at right now in terms

459
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Speaker 1: of the age. It probably hurts him. It probably hurt

460
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Speaker 1: him a little bit. Um, but you know he's gonna

461
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Speaker 1: play even even if you get one really good contract

462
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Speaker 1: out of him. I mean in the sixth round. That's

463
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Speaker 1: that's good value. Absolutely. How about scheme fitch for him?

464
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Speaker 1: Is he someone that that did mostly press man stuff

465
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Speaker 1: in school? Was his own guy? Can use him in both?

466
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Speaker 1: Where do you think and how do you think he

467
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Speaker 1: fits usage wise? Yeah? I think he can play out.

468
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,480
Speaker 1: I think he can play off because he does have instincts. Um,

469
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,120
Speaker 1: his brother did two Greedy had good instincts as well.

470
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Speaker 1: You can tell they're they're two guys that probably plug

471
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Speaker 1: grew up playing a lot of football. And uh, and

472
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Speaker 1: he is so big and long that yeah, obviously the

473
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Speaker 1: press man projection is is easy because of his body type.

474
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Speaker 1: But uh, but no, he does some nice things and

475
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Speaker 1: off man just because he sees the game. Well, all right,

476
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Speaker 1: let's go to Ellison Smith. He was the Giants other

477
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Speaker 1: player that was in Mobile this year. And boy, if

478
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Speaker 1: you want to like drow up a picture of a

479
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Speaker 1: guy that that looks like he should play edge, it's

480
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Speaker 1: Ellison Smith. And I know what Scott's always tell me, Jim,

481
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Speaker 1: the first thing you want to see from a guy

482
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Speaker 1: from the FCS level, does he dominate? And if you

483
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Speaker 1: look at his production in Northern Iowa, you know back

484
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 1: from two thousand nineteen to have the conference did not

485
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Speaker 1: play this year, he was a dominant player at the

486
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Speaker 1: FCS level. Yeah, you talk about first, you start with

487
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 1: like the body type, and it's it's protetotype in terms

488
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Speaker 1: of you know, length and proportion. Uh. You know, we

489
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Speaker 1: have all these guys that weigh ins and we take

490
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Speaker 1: their body shot pictures, so like guys that weren't at

491
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Speaker 1: the event, we can send that off to the team

492
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Speaker 1: so they can take a look. This guy looks like

493
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Speaker 1: a million bucks now, John, Like, wait till you see

494
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Speaker 1: him out a training camp. I mean, he's he's gonna

495
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Speaker 1: be He's probably gonna be the best looking guy in

496
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Speaker 1: your defense. But I think the underrated thing of Eleson

497
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,360
Speaker 1: coming out in Northern Iowa is is who he went

498
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Speaker 1: up against on a daily basis. Like you can knock

499
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Speaker 1: FCS level of competition because they're not always seeing a

500
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Speaker 1: bunch of NFL players, But he went against Spencer Brown,

501
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 1: the Bill's third round pick, every day for four years.

502
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Speaker 1: Um and those two guys had great battles, and then

503
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Speaker 1: they had those great battles in mobile as well. They

504
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Speaker 1: they you know, but it heads a little bit in

505
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Speaker 1: one on ones as well. But so he's you know,

506
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Speaker 1: he's probably further along than you think most fcs S

507
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Speaker 1: guys would because he did have another high level, a

508
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 1: high end player going against. But he's long, he's explosive.

509
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Speaker 1: You know when you look at the test numbers, um,

510
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 1: you know, high thirties, vertical jump, you know, ten foot

511
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,439
Speaker 1: plus broad jump, you're running well, So he's got all

512
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,880
Speaker 1: that stuff. Now it's just you know, pass rusher, refinement, um,

513
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: stringing moves together. We we rushed him some inside during

514
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl week and the one thing that he has

515
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 1: is really good cross face quickness. Um, so you know,

516
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Speaker 1: I think you're gonna get some versatility at them in

517
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Speaker 1: there eventually. I think they'll probably just let him play

518
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Speaker 1: out on the edge for the first couple of years

519
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,159
Speaker 1: and get a feel out there and and kind of

520
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,120
Speaker 1: develop him out there. But I could see him kicking

521
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Speaker 1: inside because, um, you know, that lateral quickness to to

522
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Speaker 1: cross people up is really good. So um again, that

523
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 1: was that that that was a really nice pick for

524
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Speaker 1: where they got him. I know they've been trying to

525
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Speaker 1: add the pass for us there in New York and

526
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Speaker 1: Ellerson is a guy that just with the physical gifts

527
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Speaker 1: should be able to get in that rotation somewhere this year. Yeah,

528
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Speaker 1: I could see him being one of those dprs designated

529
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Speaker 1: pass rushers early until they gets a little stronger to

530
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,439
Speaker 1: set the edge on those early downs. How did he

531
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 1: do is? I know one thing Pettitt and Chris Pettit

532
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: and Dave Gettman mentioned their post Jeff press conference was

533
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Speaker 1: that they were impressed on how he played against Iowa

534
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 1: State when they played up in competition. How did he

535
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Speaker 1: do against some of those power five tackles in practice

536
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Speaker 1: and during that week in Mobile when he had the

537
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Speaker 1: opportunity to go up a step or two in competition. Yeah,

538
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Speaker 1: he had plenty of wins. I mean, you're not gonna

539
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Speaker 1: win them all, um. And I always say this, like

540
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Speaker 1: if a D line coach sees if you if you

541
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Speaker 1: put together I tell agents this all the time. If

542
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Speaker 1: your guy puts together like four or five good rushes

543
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Speaker 1: over the course of the week, like he's gonna make

544
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Speaker 1: himself a lot of money because defensive line coaches are

545
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Speaker 1: gonna see that and say, you know what, I can

546
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Speaker 1: I can get that out of him consistently. Um So, yeah,

547
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 1: he had plenty of wins down here, and it was

548
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Speaker 1: a really good tackle class. I mean he was going

549
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Speaker 1: against we had a lot of guys go in those

550
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Speaker 1: first three rounds. Um So he was going up and

551
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Speaker 1: going up against good people. And yeah, that I always

552
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Speaker 1: stake game was one that stood out for um in

553
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Speaker 1: terms of, you know, that jump up and level of

554
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Speaker 1: comp and then coming down to mobile. The big thing

555
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Speaker 1: with a lot of these small school guys is you know,

556
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Speaker 1: are they overwhelmed by it? You know, do they get

557
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Speaker 1: a little freaked out by by the Bama helmet and

558
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Speaker 1: the Clemson helmet and the guys are going against and

559
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Speaker 1: and uh, I didn't notice that at all with Etherson.

560
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Speaker 1: He came, he came ready to go, and uh really

561
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Speaker 1: competed at a high level all week. And you'd a

562
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Speaker 1: similar situation two years ago with the other guy. The

563
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Speaker 1: Giant drafted Ocean Ziminez, right coming from Old Dominion. I

564
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Speaker 1: think if I remember, I was the first Old Dominion

565
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Speaker 1: player drafted, I forget it how many years, but it

566
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,439
Speaker 1: was a really long time, and he's a guy that

567
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Speaker 1: unfortunately had a shoulder injury lash year, but the Giant

568
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Speaker 1: still pretty high hopes for him to develop as a

569
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Speaker 1: pass rusher. Yeah. I mean he and Elerson are are

570
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Speaker 1: similar in terms of that they need a little more refinement.

571
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Speaker 1: But if they were ready to go, they would have

572
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Speaker 1: went in the late first round. I mean, you don't

573
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Speaker 1: get you don't get guys like Kellerson Smith and what

574
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Speaker 1: he brings to the table physically. If if he was

575
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Speaker 1: a finished product, he would have been up there with

576
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Speaker 1: Quitty pay And and Jalen Phillips at the end of

577
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Speaker 1: the first round. Sound so again, and it's more of

578
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Speaker 1: like a two or three year out thing. With Ellerson,

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Speaker 1: I think you'll contribute right away in some packages. But

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Speaker 1: if you're the Giants of your Dave get old man

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Speaker 1: about years two and three and what Allison can become

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Speaker 1: covering the draft. If you guys recognize him by the way,

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Speaker 1: that's where you've seen him. Does a great job with them, uh,

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Speaker 1: covering the draft and leading up to the draft and

596
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Speaker 1: stuff like that. Um oil a man. Like we were

597
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Speaker 1: talking about him, you know, we have a group chat

598
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Speaker 1: going during the draft once the Giants traded down to twenty,

599
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Speaker 1: and I know the medical stuff kind of came out,

600
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Speaker 1: but we were like, all right, maybe o Glare is

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Speaker 1: an option for the Giants it's twenty. Then they get

602
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Speaker 1: him in the second round after trading down to fifty,

603
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: pick up an extra three next year. I thought that

604
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Speaker 1: was just an absolute steal given the production he had

605
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Speaker 1: in the program he played in in the conference that

606
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: he competed against. Yeah, I agree with you, John, um

607
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: one of the best value picks in the draft. Really like,

608
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Speaker 1: as he's this game and it did. It came down

609
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Speaker 1: to the medical. Um, I think the knee was kind

610
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: of flagged, and you know, some this was a different year.

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, teams handled injuries a little more

612
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 1: harshly this year than they having years passed, and uh,

613
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Speaker 1: you know, just lack of lack of exposure to the

614
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Speaker 1: players through the process. You know, heard a guy like

615
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 1: his he's you know, being a junior um. But yeah,

616
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Speaker 1: you put on the tape. He is such a darn

617
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 1: good football player and that you know, you can point

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Speaker 1: to the power that he plays with or the closing

619
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Speaker 1: speed to the quarterback that he has. But to me,

620
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: it's the instincts. This dude knows how to play football.

621
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Speaker 1: I mean, his his ability to see and field blocks

622
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Speaker 1: and um, you know where he fits, I mean and

623
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Speaker 1: where the ball's going. I mean, this dude is a

624
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 1: really instinctive football player. I thought of that group of

625
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: Quitty pay and Jalen Phillips and his Ease, if those

626
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: were the top three edge guys in the draft, and

627
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: that that was my feeling was those three were the

628
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 1: top three. I thought his Ease was the best edge

629
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Speaker 1: center of the three. Um really powerful in the lower half.

630
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: I mean, he's really hard to kick. Out. Uh, he

631
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: can set that hard edge and then as a pass rusher,

632
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: he's good with his hands and when he clears that corner,

633
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: like there is a little bit of straight line to him. Athletically,

634
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: He's not the loosest body guy in his lower half. Um,

635
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: but with the hand use and when he can clear

636
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: the corner, he can really get to the I mean

637
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: he can suck down the quarterback. So and when he

638
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: gets there, he's disrupted. Like he's one of those guys

639
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: that when he gets around the QB he's got a

640
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: knack for getting the ball out and really hammering a guy. So, um, yeah,

641
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: you talk upgrading passage rush, I think he's gonna do

642
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: it immediately. And if people will talk about I don't

643
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: think enough at least on the outside. But his combination

644
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: of length thirty he's only six too, but he's got

645
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: thirty four inch arms. And then his hand usage, which

646
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: I think for a player that was just a red

647
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: shirt sophomore, for him to be able to use those

648
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: hands the way he does, he is that little Swite

649
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: movie as the RiPP move. I just thought that was

650
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: pretty advanced for a guy and allowed him again, even

651
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: though maybe he doesn't have that ankle flection that you're

652
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: looking for, as you know, for the top elite edge guys.

653
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: It allowed him to win consistently around that edge, which

654
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: is really what you're looking for in a pass rusher

655
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: at that position. Yeah. No, I mean he is that.

656
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: They did a really nice job coaching him up there

657
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: in Georgia because he used the word advance. He is

658
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: advanced with his hands. He's That's usually the step that

659
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: a lot of college rushers have to make, is is

660
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: what they do technically, and I think as he's as

661
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: ready that way, I think he's got a nice feal

662
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: for setting things up. I think he knows who he

663
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: is as a rusher. I think he knows what he

664
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: can and can't do and how he can win. Uh So, yeah,

665
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: that's why I think he'll be a factor right away.

666
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: And finally, I know Gary Brightwall was not in Mobile

667
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: for the Senior Bowl. By boy, we interviewed him after

668
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: the pick. I've never heard a guy that was so

669
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: excited about potentially playing special teams in my life. And

670
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: knowing Joe Judge of the way I do, it just

671
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: seems like a complete match Maate in Heaven for those guys, well, yeah,

672
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: with with Joe's background as a special teams guy for sure,

673
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: and that's probably what made made bright Well be the

674
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: pick there. And I will say this, Yeah, we didn't

675
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: invite him to the Senior Bowl, but he was a

676
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: guy like over the course of the spring and even

677
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: like in December, really he started to heat up, you

678
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: know around the league when when we when we call around,

679
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: I call around of friends around the league that kind

680
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: of set up the back end of the roster. His

681
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: name came up quite a bit. Is a guy that

682
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: that people would like to see. It was just a

683
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: really deep running running back class. All of our guys went,

684
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: you know, all of our all of our running backs

685
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: went went pretty early. And uh, but he was right there.

686
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,479
Speaker 1: Gary's in the conversation and because of what he can

687
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: do on special teams, I would think he's gonna make

688
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: that fifty dream and roster all right, Jim, couple more

689
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: real quick, big picture stuff. You see now Dave Gettl

690
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: is building his roster. He's drafted a lot of guys

691
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: that have been with you on mobile for the Senior Bowl.

692
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: Just your thoughts on kind of where the giants are

693
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: and where their head had given the way they've built

694
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: their roster through the draft and with free agency the

695
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: last few years. Yeah, I mean, you got you have to.

696
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: You have to really like the talent level and the

697
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: youth on this football team. He's done a really nice

698
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: job rebuilding this thing pretty quickly over the last two

699
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: or three drafts, Um, and I think you're gonna start

700
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: to see a lot of that come together. You know,

701
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: we talked about Daniel Jones development in the second year

702
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: of the coordinator, but just look at the overall team

703
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: in the second year with Joe Judge UM, And that's

704
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: just not the players getting used to the coach. That's

705
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: the other assistant coaches, you know, getting used to each

706
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: other and being a group. I mean, these guys having

707
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: all coached together before. So just the continuity in the

708
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: chemistry that's building in the building. I think it's gonna

709
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: be big moving in one for the Giants. And I

710
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: think that Dave has has really built a good young

711
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: football team. And and again, when you're drafting guys coming

712
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: out of the Senior Bowl, they're they're older, they're a

713
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: little more mature that you know, they that senior years

714
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: for a lot of these guys, they are captains their

715
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: leaders on their football team in college, so they transition

716
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: more quickly typically. Um. And I say, we did studies

717
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: on this the teams I worked within the league. I mean,

718
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,959
Speaker 1: you get guys that have been seniors and been captain's Um,

719
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: they're just it's just different getting that guy than a

720
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: guy that's coming out early as the junior like you

721
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: said ocean Ares and Richard sophomore. UM. So yeah, this

722
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: is this is an exciting team. I can't wait for

723
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: the one season and see what see what it all

724
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: comes together for him. Yeah, it's gonna be great. And

725
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: it's funny. We've talked about these players in this year's

726
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: draft class and how the Giants they got two guys

727
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: with you know, late first round value in Tony and Oslari.

728
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: You can't argue with that the first two picks, But

729
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,479
Speaker 1: then you have be throwing the fact that day now

730
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: of additional first round pick and additional third round pick

731
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: and an additional fourth round pick in next year's draft,

732
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: it's going to be a bigger player pool. You're gonna

733
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,479
Speaker 1: have more access to the players. No one's more in

734
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: the weeds and this stuff than you are. Just try

735
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: to explain the Giant fans why they're so much value

736
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: in those additional picks and next year's draft specifically. Yeah,

737
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: that's a great point, John, Um. You know, just in

738
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: this year's class, there was I think we hit at

739
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: the very end of it. We we had less than

740
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: seven hundred players that were registered with agents for this

741
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: year's draft, and that number of the previous couple of

742
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: years is like around eighteen nine hundred. So there's so

743
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: many guys that took use of that extra year of

744
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: n C double A eligibility because of COVID. We had

745
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: eight or nine guys that accepted Senior Bowl invites that

746
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: got talked back into going back to school by their

747
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: coaching staff. So I mean, right there, we've got a

748
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: starting point for our game. It's it's gonna be super competitive,

749
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: and uh, it's gonna be a very very deep draft.

750
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: So what what you know, you could turn that four

751
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: next year into you know, three sixes or you know,

752
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: like you can even move off before you can turn

753
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: that three into two fives and a six or something

754
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: in a really deep draft. So it just gives Dave

755
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: in his staff more ammunition to move around next year.

756
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: Um trade back if they want to or just stay

757
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: where they're at and get a really a football players.

758
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: So that's you. You're talking about one, three and a

759
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: four a lot with that? All right? Finally, and I

760
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: don't mean to put you on the spot. What are

761
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: maybe one or two of the spots that you think

762
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: will be very strong and next year's draft? Two positions

763
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: that have been expressed to me our defensive end in cornerback?

764
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: Is that your field too? Are there any other positions

765
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: at Giant fans should maybe start getting a little excited

766
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: about with all this extra draft capital for next year.

767
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 1: You know, we just started to put our board up.

768
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: The other day. We took it down. You might have

769
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,439
Speaker 1: saw that on Twitter or got our scouting assistants took

770
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: the board down, and now we we put it back.

771
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: We put it back up. They have been working on

772
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: the two classes the middle of February and and I

773
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: have and I've had to stay on this draft with

774
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: the ESPN stuff, so I haven't a chance to dive in.

775
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to think of the board right now

776
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,919
Speaker 1: and what it looks like. Um, I want to say

777
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: linebacker is a pretty good spot. The interior interior D

778
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: line class is gonna be better. Um, it was really

779
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: on this year, so interior g line help is gonna

780
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 1: be there. But then it's so early for me to

781
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 1: say until I start watching these guys myself. Awesome, Jim,

782
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: we appreciate it. And tell all the folks. I know

783
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: everyone thinks of Mobile in the Senior Bowl, just as

784
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: that one game at the end of January. But now

785
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: you guys are doing a lot of other stuff. Tell

786
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: them where they can find you on Twitter and everything

787
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: else that you guys are doing with the Senior Bowl. Yeah, Twitter,

788
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: I'm at Jim Naggy Underscore s B. I'm gonna be

789
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: starting posting a bunch of players on the two draft

790
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: here this month, um, and we'll go all through the summer,

791
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: so you could you could go back a year for

792
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: you can go back a year and see my post

793
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: from uh you know on on Ellerson Smith from last

794
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: summer and uh Canarius Tony from last summer. But we'll

795
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: be doing that again this summer, and then we're having

796
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: a great event on June. We're having our Hall of

797
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: Fame event. We've got Cam Jordans from the Saints, um

798
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: the Great Jaguar running back, Fred Taylor, Reggie Wayne, the

799
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: eight time Pro bowler from the Colds, Joe Staley the

800
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: All Decade Team of the two thousand intends, the left

801
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: tackle from the forty Niners, and then Pat certain Um,

802
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,439
Speaker 1: the Great Dolphins cornerback. Are going in and we're having

803
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: a golf event the next day, um Our charity golf

804
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: event that's gonna go to Big Brothers, Big Sisters and

805
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: one of our one of our celebs, and one of

806
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: our celebs is Daniel Jones, so he's gonna be down there.

807
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: He's gonna be at the Hall of Fame event. He's

808
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: gonna be at the Gulf event. So go on to

809
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl dot com. You'll see the link um for

810
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: our golf event. We'd love to have giants fans down

811
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: It's not it's not a thing where you just go

812
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: out and play golf with Daniel for you know, for

813
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 1: four hours, you're gonna have like thirty six to forty

814
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: eight hours hanging out with these guys behind the scenes

815
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: and at parties at night. Um, it's gonna be an

816
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 1: awesome event. And in the line of celebs, I can

817
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: go on and on. It's you know, the rt Mannings,

818
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: the Auzie Newsome's um Tons of Hall of Famers. So

819
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: if giants want, if giants fans want to come down

820
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: um and hang out with their starting quarterback for for

821
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: a couple of days here and mobile at a beautiful

822
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: country club, UM and play a great course. We we'd

823
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: love to have you down here. Well. We look for

824
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 1: or to it sounds like a lot of fun, Jim.

825
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: We really appreciate the time. Man. Try to get some

826
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: rest before you dive into that draft class. Please, I'm

827
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: sure it's been quite a crime in the last few months.

828
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: We really appreciate all the time. You're very kind to us.

829
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 1: You always talk to us once at the Senior Bowl,

830
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: once before we after the draft. We really appreciate it.

831
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: Stay stafe down there. We'll talk to you soon, all right, Yeah, John,

832
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: thanks a great summer. That's Jim Naggy, the executive director

833
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,919
Speaker 1: of the Reese's Senior Bowl, also a draft analyst for ESPN.

834
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: We thank you for joining us on the John Subtle Podcast.

835
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. Everybody,