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Speaker 1: I've become aware of the phenomenon. Is it a phenomenon?

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Speaker 1: The first AI dating cafes? A cafe where you can

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Speaker 2: God, I know with the idea that each each bot

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Speaker 1: I think this is just a gimmicky, stupid advertisement. For all,

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Speaker 2: It's definitely stupid.

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Speaker 1: But a big brawl breaks out because two dudes are

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Speaker 1: I'll kick your ass. Yeah, how'd you like me to

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Speaker 2: Wow?

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Speaker 1: As AI continues to reshape how people work in socializing,

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm so offended by bad writing. Millions

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Speaker 2: The stuff then get angry that it exists. A sentence

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Speaker 1: I hadn't highlighted this, I hadn't highlighted this, and I'd

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Speaker 1: forgotten how it opened. I've been sitting on this for

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Speaker 1: a couple of days, but I guess this was a

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Speaker 1: pop up on Valentine's Day in New York City on

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Speaker 1: February thirteenth, Eva Ai and AI Relationship app opened what

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Speaker 1: it describes as the world's first AI dating cafe, transforming

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Speaker 2: I would have loved to see the client. Yeah, appeared

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Speaker 2: at this with your AI companion invite.

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Speaker 1: The EVA cafe invited users to sit across from their

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Speaker 2: This is because your AI relationship says, we never go

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Speaker 2: anywhere anymore. We are we don't date me anymore. We

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Speaker 1: Hell, yeah, you're sitting at a table across from your phone.

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Speaker 2: It is pretty hilarious, now that you put it that way.

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Speaker 1: It's it's so blame love each other, so lame. I'm

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Speaker 1: so this is just absolutely stupid. But the fact that

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Speaker 2: It's the thing. I can't tell what's a real thing

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Speaker 1: All right, I will read just a little more of

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Speaker 1: this stupid bullshit. Eva Ai said the cafe was designed

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Speaker 1: The whole idea is to give our users a chance

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Speaker 2: We probably all should do. We should all probably emotionally

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Speaker 1: You're nuts, you have a problem. I will help you

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Speaker 2: You're going to respond if a family member says to you,

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Speaker 2: it's a litt worried about telling you this, because I

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Speaker 2: hope you hear me out. I'm happier than I've ever

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Speaker 1: I am that idea, Jack, change your last name. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: That's why I'm saying making the cuckoo clock noises is

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Speaker 1: So inside this space looked like a carefully curated first

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Speaker 2: they're probably on edge to just say screw it. I

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Speaker 1: It researched my code contributions and constructed a hypocrisy narrative

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Speaker 1: Matt Plota. Lib closed not because it was wrong, not

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Speaker 1: It closed because the reviewer, Scott Shambaugh, decided that AI

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Speaker 2: This is written by AI. Yes, this is a chatbot

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Speaker 1: Whatever, well as some of our more learned listening. Listeners

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Speaker 2: and then they threaten them with all kinds of blackmail

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Speaker 1: Oh, so you fall in love with a chatbot turns

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Speaker 1: out of it. It's you know, not to turn this serious.

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Speaker 1: I will manufacture terrible things and manufacture the proof that

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Speaker 2: Out that door. Yeah. If I can't have you, no

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Speaker 1: That's a lion boy.

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Speaker 2: Have you met someone else's at Claude? Is it Gemini?

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Speaker 1: Wow? I'll be in the woods if you need me.

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Speaker 1: Yike's the modern world.

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Speaker 3: at this thing as this AI dating cafe where there

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Speaker 2: I have a guess.

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Speaker 3: Did the people dress up? You know where they dress

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Speaker 3: sexy for their chat box?

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Speaker 2: You know you're suit and tie. You want to be impressive?

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Speaker 3: And what would you guys do if one of us

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Speaker 3: fell in love with an AI chat bot?

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Speaker 2: Milk it for the show's entertainment?

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Speaker 1: Exactly right, mock you without you knowing.

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Speaker 2: On air intervention? Yes, exactly Well, I guess that's it.