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Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, A production of I Heart

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Speaker 1: Radio Together Everything. So don't don't do what's assassinating my

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Speaker 1: archduke friends. Ferdinand's stole that from you? Yes, because Cody

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Speaker 1: says what's happens in my bergs? And I was like,

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Speaker 1: I can you just yes, handed that I can take

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Speaker 1: on that. Yeah, lead it, lead it lead you. If

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Speaker 1: you were going to kill the heir to the Austro

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Speaker 1: have done it? Um? Look, all I can do is

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Speaker 1: my first instinct, and the word that came to my

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Speaker 1: mind was crossbow. Crossbow cross. But now that's fascinating, Katie,

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Speaker 1: because a lot of people would have said, you know,

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Speaker 1: guns are hip and new, but you're you're You're not,

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Speaker 1: You're not beholden two trends. Look, I'm still even on

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Speaker 1: modern day guns. They scare me. I feel like an

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Speaker 1: So crossbows is, yes, I could definitely wield that. I

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Speaker 1: respect your willingness to go old school when assassinating the

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Speaker 1: heir to the Austro Hungarian throne and setting off a

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Speaker 1: series of uh, what's the things that fall over in

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Speaker 1: a linear no dominoes. Dominoes, that's the one. I respect

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Speaker 1: your willingness to set those dominoes off with a crossbow, Katie,

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Speaker 1: I'm a classic kind of gal. Yeah, that's honorable. You

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Speaker 1: know a lot of people would say, if you're going

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Speaker 1: to assassinate the heir to the Austro Hungarian throne, you

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Speaker 1: gotta you gotta honor our new age of technological progress.

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Speaker 1: But you say, no, you can not one of those.

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Speaker 1: Embrace tradition. Embrace tradition. That's right, but in my own

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Speaker 1: way because like, the most obvious answer me being a woman,

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Speaker 1: would be to use poison, and I'm not. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to push back against that because I think the gender

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Speaker 1: stereotype it's a cop out. Uh, and there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of room for error. Yeah, like what the cross frames

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Speaker 1: women is deceitful, don't just I don't need to hide.

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Speaker 1: I'll do it, and I'll just say it. If you

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Speaker 1: poison Archduke Franz Ferdinand, people might go, well, maybe he

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Speaker 1: died naturally, and then there's no World War One. And

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Speaker 1: if there's no World War one, what are we even

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Speaker 1: doing here? What are we even doing? You got to

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Speaker 1: make it clear. Ideally you get away with it, but

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Speaker 1: to be a clear assassination, you gotta. You've gotta assassinate

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Speaker 1: the Archduke of Austria Hungary clearly. I think we can

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Speaker 1: all agree on that. Well into our subject for today. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: very seamless. How do y'all feel about infrastructure for really?

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Speaker 1: Glad you didn't say no. We'll save that for when

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Speaker 1: we finally get Bernie Sanders on the show and can

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Speaker 1: get us to assassinated sitting presidents number two. Bernie do

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Speaker 1: it at second time? Um, yeah, we should. We should

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Speaker 1: talk about some infrastructure probs. We should also talk about

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Speaker 1: lead to other things. The screenplay that I'm writing, that's

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Speaker 1: just Terminator too, but with Bernie Sanders instead of Arnold

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Speaker 1: Schwarzenegger Connor, it's it's Joe Biden. No, I pretty much

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Speaker 1: laid it all out shot right, Yeah, he comes back

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Speaker 1: when Biden's fighting corn Pop and then and then corn

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Speaker 1: Pop and Biden have to team up in order to

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Speaker 1: fight a robotic Bernie Sanders. Yeah, we can make it work. Okay, Okay,

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Speaker 1: infrastructure Um wait, yeah, guys. H end of last week,

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Speaker 1: Biden announced with great fanfare, that's fun that Dems and

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Speaker 1: Republicans have made a deal in infrastructure. He did it,

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Speaker 1: you know, he did abridge, He bridged the divide. He

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Speaker 1: Except wait, did he? What's this? Here's I'm gonna read

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Speaker 1: from Vox for a moment. Last week, President Joe Biden's

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Speaker 1: vision of a deal making bipartisan Senate that gets big

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Speaker 1: soon become a reality. With Biden's announcement that the Democrats

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Speaker 1: coming together to pass a large bill, one that would

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Speaker 1: potentially moved to tackle climate change, expand access to broadband internet,

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Speaker 1: and remove lead from drinking water. All of those sentences.

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Speaker 1: I just want to go it, m M. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: But yeah, basically, this deal UH that was announced and

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Speaker 1: And the plan, you know, as announced, would be to

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Speaker 1: it's it's a little frustrating right now. I'm feeling we're

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Speaker 1: I'm very frustrated by the lack of consensus from everybody

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Speaker 1: job at the Brookings Institute being like, actually, good things

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00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: and bad things are the same. All right, I'm taking

428
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Speaker 1: lunch for the day, shoulders I did it? Yeah? I mean,

429
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: and that is we we're talking about infrastructure today and

430
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 1: there's been a continum which is a good conversation actually,

431
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of Democrats have actually been

432
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: a positive part of of expanding the conversation of what

433
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: infrastructure is right. And I think one of the positive

434
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: developments recently is that there's been an increasing move and

435
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 1: again Democrats get a lot of credit for this of

436
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: pushing forward, well, home healthcare is infrastructure, child care is infrastructure.

437
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: A lot of things are. I think that those are

438
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: probably the things that have been moved to the reconciliation. Yes, yeah,

439
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be I'm just trying to be fair. No, No,

440
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure people are clear about

441
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 1: what's happening here. There was the original thing that he

442
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 1: put out, and we talked about it a couple of

443
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 1: months ago. UM does have a lot of far reaching

444
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 1: things that are not traditionally considered infrastructure. That would be cool, UM,

445
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: but I do not believe they have not put out

446
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: the actual specifics of this. It's all very vague of

447
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 1: this new one so well, but we're pretty sure that

448
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: some of this stuff has been moved anyway. Sorry, Robert continued,

449
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: But it is positive to expand and and and again,

450
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: especially since we keep talking about how this Overton window

451
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: keeps getting shifted right and shifted right and shifted right.

452
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 1: An aspect of shifting it left is expanding. Okay, No, No No,

453
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,360
Speaker 1: infrastructure is not just fucking roads and bridges. It's your family.

454
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: It's being taken care of as an individual. It's being

455
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: able to not wind up triple digits in debt to school.

456
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 1: Maybe it's not having healthcare debt. Maybe it's like a

457
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: variety of things that haven't traditionally been considered infrastructure, human beings,

458
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: and our ability to participate positively because we're not drowning

459
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: in to see. If despair is infrastructure, I think truth

460
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: is infrastructure too. I think a a a an understanding

461
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: of like the basics of reality that's widely shared by

462
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: the society is actually crucial infrastructure. Um and perhaps even

463
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 1: as important as all of the physical infrastructure that gets

464
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 1: traditionally looped in there. And I think maybe the biggest

465
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: problem we have, and you know, even the biggest problem

466
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: in expanding, you know, the functionality of our traditional of

467
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: the power system, of of roads and bridges, is this

468
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: lack of understanding of basic reality and um, this is

469
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 1: this has become increasingly clear. You can tie it into

470
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that's happened recently. It's a problem.

471
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: So right now, one of the big stories in the

472
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: United States is that this fucking Hondo complex in Florida collapsed,

473
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 1: and probably around a hundred and sixty people are dead.

474
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 1: I think there's a leaven confirmed deaths as of right now,

475
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty missing, yeah, eleven confirmed um. And now

476
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: they're also concerned about the debris that's falling on the

477
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: rescue and aid workers it's it's a nightmare. It's a nightmare,

478
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 1: and we I want to to open this caveat by

479
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: saying we don't dent know what caused the collapse. Right,

480
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: there is a decent possibility that this is very tied

481
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,719
Speaker 1: to global warming, to climate change whatever, because it seems

482
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: like a sinkhole was a factor here or may have been.

483
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 1: UM and I found I mean, you can find a

484
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: number of studies. I found one from two thousand eighteen

485
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: in a case study in Florida. Global warming causes an

486
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: increase in sinkhole collapse. This is a thing that has

487
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: been documented for some time. It may be a factor here,

488
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: It may not be. This may just be a factor

489
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: of Florida has a big boner for deregulation. UM. The

490
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: governor a year or so ago hosted like a deregular thon.

491
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: I forget exactly how he framed it, talking about like

492
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: heading away regulation UM. Florida has even before like fuck

493
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: the Santis, but decades before the Santis, Florida was like

494
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: one of the least regulated UM states in terms of

495
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: how you could actually build housing. Right, so they put

496
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: up a lot of weird Yeah, so I have a

497
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: little bit of information on this completely. You're completely correct

498
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: that you know, as they investigate this, this might be

499
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: a part of it and there and it's likely um

500
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: it could be a contributing factor and everything. There have

501
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: been visible cracks in this building. UM. In Florida, they

502
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,719
Speaker 1: have to do a review every thirty years, and this

503
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: building in particular. It sounds like they brought in an

504
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: inspector three years ago who notified several who seems to

505
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: have done their job. It seems to have well they

506
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: apparently just got put on administrative leave. UM. But he didn't.

507
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: They didn't say that it was a potentially catastrophe structural stuff,

508
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: but that they pointed out critical things you know, UM

509
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: in the parking garage and everything. But what's interesting is then,

510
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: you know, why did it take They were just gearing

511
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: up to start doing some repairs and in fact, we're

512
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: doing some reroofing things like this week before this started,

513
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: um or last week, but they were making the condo

514
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: owners they were about to make them all pay like

515
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: eighty thou dollars each for UH general repairs and none

516
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: of it being specifically to this, but like they needed

517
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: to do over nine million dollars in building repairs and

518
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: they were going and collecting it from the people that

519
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: were like, wait, what you know? So it does sound

520
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: like all of this this deregulation general um, lack of

521
00:30:52,160 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: attention or urgency to something that is of utmost urgency. Yeah,

522
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: and it's um so I I and I again, we're

523
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: going to find out more about like what precisely caused this,

524
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: but it is worrisome that there was. It seemed like

525
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: there were a lot of warnings that there might be

526
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: a problem. Um. And I read an article recently where

527
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: somebody who was at one of like the you know,

528
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: the condo board meetings or whatever, was like, well, you know,

529
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: just a little bit before I think it's like a

530
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: month or so before this all collapsed, we had a

531
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: meeting about some of the repairs that needed to be done,

532
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: and we were told that we had that the building

533
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: had gotten a clean bill of health from the inspector

534
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: and that we were we were fine, you know, there

535
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: was some stuff to do, but it wasn't wasn't a

536
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: serious issue, and that doesn't seem to have been true.

537
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,479
Speaker 1: Um Again, I like, maybe we're talking too much about this,

538
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: but I do think like this sort of thing is

539
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: going to become increasingly increasingly common because a variety of

540
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: you know, not just sinkholes in Florida, Um, we're dealing

541
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: with more extreme weather in places that hadn't gotten it before,

542
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: tornadoes and places that haven't got and tornadoes, flooding in

543
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: places that aren't used to dealing with flooding, fluctuation like

544
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: extreme heat and extreme exactly back and the back and

545
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: forth and and all looping in on this is this

546
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: unwillingness to deal with unpleasant realities. Whether it's a a

547
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: you know, the condo association not wanting to acknowledge that

548
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: the problem is as bad as it is um, or

549
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: it's the state itself not being willing to put up

550
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: requirements for structural integrity of buildings that actually keep people safe.

551
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: Whether it like there's a bunch of different problems, but

552
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: at all, a lot of it does tie back to

553
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: this very American understanding that we don't have to take

554
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: precautions or or concern ourselves with physical realities because we're

555
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: we're Americans, and if we with enough wishful thinking and money, um,

556
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: we can we can allay material concerns like this, which

557
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: I think is broadly speaking a chunk of the problem.

558
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: And in an example of this, the kind of infrastructure

559
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: that you know, we we talk and we'll talk more

560
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: this episode about the kind of infrastructure that that Biden

561
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: and his administration should be forcing through, the kind of

562
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: infrastructure that our whole government should be investing more in,

563
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: Republican and Democrat. But there's also the kind of infrastructure, um,

564
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: the kind of mental infrastructure, the the willingness to deal

565
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: with hard realities, the willingness to accept where we are

566
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: that you you can't force through as the government. That

567
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: is a cultural infrastructure. And it's this, you know, I

568
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: think when we talk about cultural infrastructure, it's stuff like

569
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: why do certain cultures whether disasters well and like learn

570
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: from them? Why do certain cultures not like what is?

571
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: And I think we have a very brittle culture when

572
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: it comes to our ability to handle disaster um. And

573
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: I don't know like where to take that, um, but

574
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: I think there's you know, I think a good example

575
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: of of the brittleness of it is the people who

576
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: actually run the City of Portland are are Ted Wheeler

577
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: and a bunch of business owners right the Portland Business Association.

578
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: They're they're the folks who have hold hold the purse

579
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: strings who control the cops, who more than anything direct

580
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: like what actually happens in this city. And when we

581
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: had our gigantic, horrible heat wave. And I'm focusing on

582
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: Portland because I know the politics here better. But this, this,

583
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: this kind of thing happens everywhere. Um. The three days

584
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: of the heat wave, his schedule was completely clear. We

585
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: don't even know if he was in the city. We

586
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: know that he was out of the city when the

587
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: riots started last year. So this is the thing of

588
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: yeah and fucking California. Whenever the fires start, the people

589
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: who have the money and by and large get to

590
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: dictate what happens politically leave because they don't want to

591
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: be near the fires. Right. This is a thing that happens.

592
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: Whereas you've got the folks who were increasingly actually provide

593
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: disaster services, um. Were like a bunch of different mutual

594
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: aid groups who have been providing um, you know, kitchens

595
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: and or who have been fighting like cold water and

596
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: cooling stations and stuff like that. Um, which is how

597
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: it always happens, um in particularly in Oregon, but increasingly everywhere.

598
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: Like you've got these the the political elites, be they

599
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: left or right, will never stick around when things get

600
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,919
Speaker 1: hard because they have the ability to leave when things

601
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: are hard. And it's it's um up to those of

602
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: us who either don't have the ability to leave or

603
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: decide we're not going to leave our communities in the

604
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 1: lurch to build the kind of mental infrastructure, emotional infrastructure

605
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: that that is going to make us capable of weathering

606
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: the collapses to come. Anyway, let's get back to talking

607
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: about Joe Biden. Good tangent. I mean, if there's anyone

608
00:35:55,280 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 1: that can fix the of our our culture, and it's

609
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: Joe Biden, right, yes, basically gumby Yeah, munching on fingers

610
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: doing that. I think that happens that I think when

611
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: it fills with blood. Yeah, given weird massages. Um uh yeah,

612
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: you're I have nothing more to add on that specific thing.

613
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: I think you're right. And it's uh, it's just frustrating

614
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: to see, oh, all of this just play out as predicted. Um.

615
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: And you know when you're like, when you're Joe Biden

616
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: and you're having, uh these bipartisan talks, surely he understands

617
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: that half the people there don't think anything should happen,

618
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: like the reason that they're participating in this is because well,

619
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: I guess we gotta we gotta do some sort of

620
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: infrastructure bill. Like there's no driving force behind it other

621
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: than politically like it needs to seem like they are

622
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: obligated to do it. Um. They don't actually believe these

623
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: things are really problems, and they they're certainly not that

624
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: in investing any money into into fixing these things. Um

625
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: because the method it will get a lot of money

626
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: is taxing uh wealthy people, which they don't which they

627
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: don't want to do. Um. But one one thing I

628
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 1: didn't want to add to your point about the conversation.

629
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: I do think it is really good and effective. Actually

630
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: that it has shifted a bit to include other things.

631
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: And it was there was pushback originally of like that

632
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: this is an infrastructure. This is an infrastructure. But by

633
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: forcing the conversation and making people talk about and explain

634
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: what that means, I think it has convinced a lot

635
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: of people. Um. I in a similar way movement from

636
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: you see some movement on that, Yeah, they I think

637
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: they the window shifted a bit there and um like

638
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: in a similar regard uh every day, Uh, this conversation

639
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: still is still going on. Um, but with something like

640
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: defund the police. That's something that everyone uh, not everyone,

641
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Speaker 1: but maybe people are like, no, that's it's too confusing,

642
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: it's not what we want to do. It doesn't make

643
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,720
Speaker 1: sense in this and this we should do reform the police.

644
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: And then you have to explain, well, here's actually the

645
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,479
Speaker 1: like the phrase reform the police, it's decades old. Where

646
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 1: where has that gotten us? It's always used to increase funding,

647
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: That's what it is. That's why it's so it's so

648
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: broad and vague on purpose, so that it could mean anything. Um,

649
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Speaker 1: And there's still so much pushback. Um, that's very vocal.

650
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: But now it's not like we'll do the reform and

651
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: then you point out like, well, actually reform is like

652
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: very vague on purpose. Then like okay, well then do

653
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: like uh re uh re uh like put the put

654
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: funds elsewhere. Like they'll they'll try to come up with

655
00:38:55,160 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: a phrase that is more pointedly about reducing the funds

656
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: of the police and putting them into other services, which

657
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: is not where the conversation ever really was. Um. And

658
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: so I guess just keep going, is my point, because

659
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: now people who were against the idea of defund the

660
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: police are now starced to forced to have like a

661
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: conversation like, Okay, then how do we phrase it so

662
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: it's not vague, and how do we phrase it so

663
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: it is taking away funds and moving into these services

664
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Speaker 1: without scaring people. So it's just like the the end,

665
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 1: the point of policy is now on the table, even

666
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: if the messaging is still kind of messy. Um to

667
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: be bringing up the conversation in a way that garners

668
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: enough attention to actually have the conversation as opposed to

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Speaker 1: something a saying a phrase that we've we've had and

670
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Speaker 1: ignored for a long time. Yuh yeah, I see what

671
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 1: chan I mean. And and it's true. We these are

672
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: things that we have got to be talking about out

673
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: and we need to be having the conversation. So I

674
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 1: see the point that you're making. We have to take

675
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: another break for the ad curtisements, as they say, across

676
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: the pond. Huh um. Here they are ship together everything,

677
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: so don't don't and we're back on that ship. Back

678
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: is fuck um of talking sorry um yeah, so uh

679
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: we can get into a little more specifics. I'm like,

680
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 1: what could be in the bill? Um? I just wanted

681
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: to this interesting this approach because there's this push for

682
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: bipartisanship when obviously like it's going to fall apart um,

683
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: and then putting forth this idea of Okay, well we'll

684
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: do this this infrastructure bill if Democrats do this reconciliation

685
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: stuff and like you really like push through this kind

686
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: of thing. So like the goal is all ready to

687
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: do that. So it's just such a it's such theater,

688
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 1: m um, And it's just frustrating to watch, like clear

689
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: and obvious theater just like play out like okay, and

690
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: then this and this and this, and then they're gonna say, well,

691
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: if you're gonna because already probably like well, if you're

692
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Speaker 1: gonna push this through reconciliation, then we're not gonna do

693
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Speaker 1: this bipartisan Like okay, well yeah obviously, so like what's

694
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Speaker 1: just do it? Just do the thing, um, instead of

695
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: play acting that you're trying to get people on board

696
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: when they're obviously going to abandon it when they find

697
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: out that you're going to do this stuff anyway. But

698
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: blow up the filipbuster, Yeah, blow up something. Um. Yeah.

699
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Speaker 1: And it's very unclear to me right now. Maybe one

700
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: of you has gotten a better handle on it what

701
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: actual climate ship is in the infrastructure bill, and what

702
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: is in the one that they reached some of with

703
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Speaker 1: the Republicans on what is in the one that's being reconciliation,

704
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 1: It's unclear. So this is, yeah, this is what I've found. This,

705
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: yeah found in terms of what's actually in there, they

706
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: have They have agreed to a very vague framework that

707
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: includes funding for roads and bridges, public transit, passenger and

708
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 1: freight trail, electric vehicle infrastructure, clean drinking water, and broadband internet,

709
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,240
Speaker 1: among a few other areas. The agreement goes into almost

710
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: no detail beyond those broad categories, with now lawmakers now

711
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: working to get more specific as they transform that framework

712
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Speaker 1: into actual legislation. So, no, you don't have a deal.

713
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Speaker 1: You haven't even gotten more specific about what this means,

714
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: you know. Um, So, no, not a lot because all

715
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Speaker 1: of these policies environmental. I mean, you could say some

716
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: of it electric vehicle infrastructure is more geared to climate change, etcetera.

717
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: But for the most part this feels pretty traditional. Um

718
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Speaker 1: And so I think that a lot of the other

719
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Speaker 1: the other things would be hopefully included in the reconciliation.

720
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Speaker 1: But to me, this feels fishy, like we're not going

721
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: to get that stuff. But yeah, that in theory, right.

722
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Speaker 1: The thing that the White House is claiming is that

723
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 1: the Americans Job Plan includes nearly a trillion and what

724
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Speaker 1: they call climate related investments, not all of which are

725
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: what people who really think about climate change a lot

726
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 1: might consider actual things to fight climate change. But it's

727
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: a mix of like attempting to uh, you know, additionally

728
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: fund or whatever in in sight seems like the wrong one,

729
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 1: but attempting to like push up the electric vehicle market,

730
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: attempting to make buildings and property more rist to different

731
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: kind of weather patterns that are going to be more

732
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Speaker 1: common under climate change attemption. And you know, the thing

733
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Speaker 1: that is is broadly speaking and aggressive, would be an

734
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Speaker 1: aggressive you know, attack on climate change is pushing the

735
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Speaker 1: country's electrical grid to be carbon neutral or carbon free

736
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Speaker 1: by um so you know, it's not a green new deal.

737
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Speaker 1: It's not nothing, but it might be nothing nothing because

738
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: we don't actually know if any if that's going to

739
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: wind up in the infrastructure bill exactly. Yeah, like it

740
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Speaker 1: would actually it would be I think fair to say,

741
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Speaker 1: based on the reading I've done, really significant if we

742
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: were completely carbon free in our national power generation. I

743
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: also have zero faith that that that could be done

744
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: based on the current political realities on the ground and

745
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: based on the current political will to make any kind

746
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: of that's not very far in the future. You know

747
00:44:54,840 --> 00:45:00,280
Speaker 1: it's not um yeah, yeah, yeah, at least ma reso

748
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: at rhymes. Come on, there we go. That's branding, right there, folks,

749
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: Come on, Cody, you've missed an opportunity. President Cody Johnson

750
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: and Secretary of Defense Warmboat. I don't. I don't know

751
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: about that. You think we're bombing Syria? Now wait till

752
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: warm bom just Warmbow be a guest sometime. But I

753
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: don't think anybody wants that, and I certainly don't. I

754
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: know you don't. I have a confession and that I

755
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: love the character of Warmboat. The voice makes me insane,

756
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: as it does a lot of you. So I had

757
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: that voice even more than you hate. Cody's time machine

758
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: noises I do. I do. That's bold. Wow, the time

759
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,399
Speaker 1: machine noises in the corner right now. He can hear you,

760
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 1: but it speaks to your talent. Cody, You're so good

761
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: that I can rating that nerve. We could have him

762
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: go back in time to the first time you heard

763
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: the time machine. See if we can we can repro

764
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 1: that feels like like a Christmas special or something. Um,

765
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 1: we're visited by the ghosts of inadequate infrastructure. So many

766
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: of our listeners are like, what are you talking about.

767
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: It's a puppet. Cody owns a puppet. It's a real

768
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 1: problem for everyone who cares about him, Katie made anyway.

769
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: So we've got some folks on the D side of

770
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: things who are at least to have expressed a commitment

771
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 1: to like not let the White House get away with

772
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 1: kind of leaving climate change focused policy in the cutting

773
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 1: room floor to be able to say we got a deal.

774
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: One of those guys is Ed Markey from Massachusetts, a

775
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: senator who said, from my perspective, no climate, no deal,

776
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: I just won't vote. I won't just vote against an

777
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: infrastructure package without climate action. I'll fight against it, um,

778
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: which I think is the attitude we have to have

779
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: because free one of them need to be acting like that, Yeah,

780
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: making it the urgent emergency that it is when they

781
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: talk about this, Yeah, fight like fucking hell. Sorry, you

782
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: have to fight like and it's this is the There's

783
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: a lot of things that are frustrating to me right

784
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: now about the left. One of them is that. So

785
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: there's a there's a push. It's like the force the

786
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: vote movement, right, and it's this push to try and

787
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: force a vote UM in Congress on Medicare for all,

788
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: and for one thing, it's kind of started based on

789
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 1: a misunderstanding of how Congress works, UM, and they've kind

790
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: of altered what they're trying to force. I think it's

791
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: Pelosi now to do based on the fact that they

792
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: didn't initially understand what the mechanics of kind of forcing

793
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: a vote war. UM. I'm very much in favor of

794
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 1: Medicare for all. UM. I also think that making this

795
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: the big fight focus that you're trying to rally people

796
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: behind is UM less less of an immediate concern than

797
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: making keeping the planet habitable. UM. I have I have

798
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: a number of issues, and I'm not one of those

799
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: where we can only do this one thing when there's

800
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: a serious problem. But I do think the focus if

801
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: you're going to force try to force action on something,

802
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: if you're going to try to build a movement that's

803
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: capable of fucking and I'm not seeing any signs that yeah,

804
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: that's capable of Like, I do think we need a movement,

805
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 1: a political movement, a grassroots one in the United States

806
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: that is capable of, you know, carrying out something like

807
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: a general strike or just a general strike in order

808
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: to force action on a number of things. But I

809
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: would put climate change at the top of the fucking list,

810
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: right because it fuels everything else. Not only does it

811
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,720
Speaker 1: cause a number of healthcare conditions that will make people,

812
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 1: you know, need more like that that will put people

813
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: in medical distress and as a result of that, put

814
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 1: them in the debt. But it, um it fuels the

815
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: rise of authoritarianism. Um it fuels or it provides kind

816
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,399
Speaker 1: of additional like it's a big part of of where

817
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: policing money is going right now, right Like one of

818
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Speaker 1: the things that that is kind of an underreported story

819
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: is that after the Paradise fires in California were like

820
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,879
Speaker 1: a whole town was wiped out, a really significant chunk

821
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: of the people who lost their home and those fires

822
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: still don't have a home, and a bunch of them

823
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: live in camps where they're being heavily policed by cops

824
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 1: who keep getting more money to police homelessness or whatever.

825
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: You know, the fucking liberal politicians who throw money at

826
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Speaker 1: cops for this ship because they don't want to see people,

827
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: you know, intents in their parks, um throw money at

828
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Speaker 1: And it's a all of these problems are connected to

829
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Speaker 1: a number of things, right, And you could say that, yes,

830
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 1: of course a better health care system is a part

831
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: of dealing with this and would help these people, but

832
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: nothing is as much of a of an immediate threat

833
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 1: as climate change. And um, we're all guilty. I'm certainly not.

834
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Speaker 1: We're all guilty. There have been some people who have

835
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 1: made this their only fucking organizing issue for decades, and

836
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: all credit to them, I'm certainly guilty of having And

837
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: there were there you know. I I might have argued

838
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: at other points that there were there were more immediate

839
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: concerns just because people with guns and whatnot pointing them

840
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: in our faces are you know, the rise of authoritarianism,

841
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: the fascist street movements and stuff. But but um, I

842
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: think for me, at least, the thing I'm going to

843
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 1: be focusing on is a mix of trying to push

844
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Speaker 1: and trying to do whatever what little I can to

845
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: enable people to um to take more organized action, to

846
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: force action on political action on climate change, and to

847
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Speaker 1: help different mutual aid programs that are that are dealing

848
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Speaker 1: with making people more resilient to the symptoms of climate change,

849
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Speaker 1: and I think those have to be I think that's

850
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: where there's a future for the organized left. And I

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00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: also think that's where it's kind of beholden upon us

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00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: to to put our resources. I agree with you completely

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Speaker 1: to borrow a phrase from even more News um and

854
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Speaker 1: it feels almost bad because it's me saying that this

855
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Speaker 1: is this is the urgent priority that trumps everything else.

856
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:16,760
Speaker 1: UM doesn't quite resonate my soul, because of course, you know, authoritarianism,

857
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 1: are fucked up, police, seeing system, the money that's spent

858
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: in their healthcare, all of these are are vital as well.

859
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: But but but if we have a limited amount of

860
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Speaker 1: capital and pull, what is the most important thing that

861
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: trum that affects, Like you said, all of that um

862
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: and and again, we have to do everything within our

863
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: power to make that and keep that on the forefront

864
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Speaker 1: of everybody's minds. And to what you said, Robert, this

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Speaker 1: is just a tangent you know about Paradise, California. You know,

866
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Speaker 1: I believe that there was a lot of trouble with

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Speaker 1: I'd have to look this up. UM insurance payouts and

868
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Speaker 1: different things like that in terms of getting people and

869
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people didn't own their homes,

870
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: you know, and they've lost everything and have no recourse.

871
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: But along those lines, now, um, northern California, you know,

872
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: insurance companies might stop providing wildfire insurance fire insurance. What

873
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,720
Speaker 1: are we doing? What are we doing here? Leaving people

874
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 1: completely unprotected? Well, that's the thing. Like it's some I

875
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 1: won't say I disagree with anything, and said I do

876
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Speaker 1: think that it's a matter of umbrella in these sort

877
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: of issues. UM, Like I think I have no I

878
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: have no reality with a force to vote thing on

879
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,280
Speaker 1: Medicare for all honestly, Like it's not like the mechanics

880
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: in the specific the mechanics of it, right my arguments, Yes,

881
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 1: but I don't have an issue with yes, but as

882
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: that Yeah, And just like the messaging of like we

883
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: just got out of a pandemic, got out of quote

884
00:52:54,520 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: unquote UM, and um healthcare Like, I mean, it's still

885
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 1: like what the second most important issue to voters. It's

886
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,359
Speaker 1: like it affects everybody. It's will affect people even more

887
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: and more given all these climate scenarios. UM. It seems

888
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: like the current administration has completely dropped this idea of

889
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: because obviously like he's not there's no for all from him,

890
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: But no, you dropped the idea of like a public option.

891
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: I'm not saying medicare for all. Obviously Joe is not

892
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: for medicare for all, excited veto it, but like just

893
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: as health care as an issue as something that uh

894
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 1: needs to be fought on um and it would be

895
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 1: nice to keep that in the conversation and like frame

896
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: it in the context of this mutual disaster that we're

897
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: all going experiencing. And again, I don't I'm not sitting

898
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: here saying we shouldn't be fighting for medicare for all.

899
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 1: I don't think that's what anybody said. I just I

900
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Speaker 1: I wanted to continue to be a part of the

901
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: conversation because aside from this sort of like the sort

902
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:12,240
Speaker 1: of forced the group forced the vote crowd, it's completely

903
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: dropped off. And like you can look at you know,

904
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: like reports like yeah, but I'm just like not gonna

905
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: work on that public option that he was that was

906
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: the compromise. The compromise was was him and uh, very predictively,

907
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like that's going gonna happen. Can but um, yeah,

908
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 1: just like being able to frame it in this way, like, yeah, okay,

909
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: we just experience the pandemic. What if there's another one?

910
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 1: What about the of all these effects of climate change

911
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna see, Um, people need healthcare and housing and

912
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: food and water and a lot of things, um already

913
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: and this is going to make things worse. And UM,

914
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: I think I think really to your poor Rob, what

915
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: you were saying is being able to talk about these

916
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: things in that context. People experience this stuff every single

917
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: year now in various ways. One year might be too

918
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 1: facking hot, and next year it's it's a blizzard, like

919
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: it's it's everybody is affected in myriad ways. And being

920
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: able to talk about what you want to do to

921
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 1: help people. We want you to be able to go

922
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: to a doctor if ship goes goes wrong. We want

923
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 1: you to be able to have a roof of your

924
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: head if ship goes bad. All these things, Um, say

925
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 1: what you are able to do to help people in

926
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Speaker 1: the context again of this mutual disaster that we're all

927
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:41,439
Speaker 1: slowly experiencing. Um. Yeah, it's tough too. I don't know, yes,

928
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Speaker 1: I agree, Like I'm not saying I guess what I'm

929
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 1: saying is that if you're going to organize to try

930
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:51,399
Speaker 1: to nationwide force a vote on something, um, I think

931
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,399
Speaker 1: climate change is a more immediate thing. And I also

932
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 1: think that you have a better shot of doing it

933
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: because infrastructure bill is currently up right now, like this

934
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 1: is the thing that's being described at the moment, and

935
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: so that's that would be my my my argument. Um,

936
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Speaker 1: not that I have any issue with trying to other

937
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,439
Speaker 1: than kind of some technical ones about like well that's

938
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: not necessarily have the system work. Um, but yeah, I

939
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: mean yeah, it's it's yeah, well it's like it's the

940
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 1: kind of people of no matter how we frame this,

941
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 1: but yeah, but it's not an easy conversation. There's not

942
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 1: a clear Yeah. But I think that like really when

943
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: it comes down to is yes, they should exercise their

944
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: power and withhold things and force people to go on

945
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 1: record uh as to what they actually believe in and

946
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:47,439
Speaker 1: how they will vote, and make America watch them talk

947
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: about it, watch them debate this issue, uh, talk about

948
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: the things that are affecting people's lives, um, publicly. Um.

949
00:56:56,719 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know, Well I think that's it

950
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 1: for today, looking at our clock. Here, Wait, any thoughts, God,

951
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:11,879
Speaker 1: he's he's asleep. As fine, he's asleeping. Maybe Cody take

952
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Speaker 1: a time machine trip back to I'm gonna stop recording.

953
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Speaker 1: We'll pass on for for the sake of our listeners.

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Speaker 1: Um yes, I mean Katie. Um okay, well I haven't

955
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Speaker 1: stopped recording yet. Thanks for listening, guys. This is a

956
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: pretty good conversation. Check us out online at Worst Year

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Speaker 1: sleep for any of us, So the cast will increasingly.

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