1 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental health podcast 2 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: helping you out of the gray and into the blue. 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: Now here's Jay Glacier. 4 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 2: Welcome into a breakable mental health podcast with Jay Glazer. 5 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 2: I am Jay Glazer, and I got a great guest today, 6 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 2: somebody I've been wanting to meet for a long time, 7 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 2: someone I have so much respect for in so many 8 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: different ways. And before I get to him, if you 9 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 2: are like many people, you may be surprised to learn 10 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 2: that one in five adults in this country experienced mental 11 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 2: illness last year, yet far too many fail to receive 12 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 2: the support they need. Carolyn, Behavioral Health is doing something 13 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,279 Speaker 2: about it. They understand that behavioral health is a key 14 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:46,599 Speaker 2: part of whole health, delivering compassionate care that treats physical, mental, emotional, 15 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 2: and social needs in tandem. Carolyn behavioral health raising the 16 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 2: quality of life, empathy and action. I think the perfect 17 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 2: guests coming on today because we talk a lot of 18 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 2: mental health here. We certainly try to get men to 19 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 2: open up to each other a lot more man. You 20 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 2: guys also know that I do a lot to help 21 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 2: out former athletes, former professional football players, and fighters when 22 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 2: their uniform comes off to do something that next step. 23 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 2: This man is taking that step to a totally different 24 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 2: level than everybody else that we've dealt with before. It 25 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 2: is doctor Meyer Roll, former FSU, former Tennessee Titan, former 26 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Steel Are correct, that's right, also Oxford and now 27 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 2: working at Harvard. It's incredible. You know what you've been 28 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 2: able to do. 29 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 3: I know you. 30 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 2: I am in the presence of someone I really admire her. 31 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 2: So I appreciate you joining me. 32 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 3: Thanks. I appreciate it. And we've talked about off air 33 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 3: watch you for a very long time and then obviously 34 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 3: really impressed with your career and everything that you've been 35 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 3: able to do. The way you, you know, stand up 36 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 3: for players and advocate for them, and the way you 37 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 3: deliver your messages on TV and to us listeners. It's 38 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 3: a lot. So we appreciate you for sure. 39 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 4: I appreciate it. 40 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 3: Well. 41 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 2: I think we're kind of all in it together. You know, 42 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 2: when I first started this business, people use their pen 43 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 2: as a weapon. And I walked in the locker room 44 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety three and I said, man, I don't 45 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 2: have the education these other reporters, I don't have the experience. 46 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 4: I was better looking of. 47 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 2: Course, but you know, I don't have everything else, But 48 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 2: you know, how can I be different? A lot of 49 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 2: people I think are afraid to be different. I said, well, 50 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 2: you know, I'm not going to use my bet as 51 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 2: a weapon I think they are. I'm going to start 52 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 2: relationships and I got killed for it for a while, 53 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 2: but man, we're all in this together. 54 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 4: And for me, for my own. 55 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 2: Mental health issues, I'm always talking about building teams. I 56 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 2: need teams around me, And even though these are guys 57 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 2: I was covering, they became a team for me that 58 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 2: helped me through some of the darkest times of my life. 59 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 2: So I think that's why, you know, I've come off 60 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 2: like that, and eventually that became how everybody has to 61 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 2: do in the business. It's all relationship based business now. 62 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 4: So I want to kind of go back early for you. 63 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 2: When did you realize that you were different than everybody else? 64 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 2: Did you accept your brilliance if I could say, or 65 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 2: did you hide it? Grown up? 66 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great question, you know, growing up. I 67 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 3: grew up in South Jersey, near Atlantic City. We left 68 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 3: the Bahamas, you know, when I was around three years old, 69 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 3: and my daddy got a job up in New York 70 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 3: and we had some family who had attended Richard Stockton 71 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 3: State College right near Galloway Township. So we just settled 72 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 3: there and my parents really focused on education coming from 73 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 3: another country, realizing that America had no ceiling on our growth. 74 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 3: If we wanted to be good citizens, good leaders, good Christians, 75 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 3: good thinkers, that we could really accomplish some really strong 76 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 3: things in this country. Not to say the Bahamas was 77 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 3: under civil unrest or war torn, but there was just 78 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 3: resources here for us if we wanted to be great 79 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 3: and go far. And football is one of those resources, 80 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 3: and the coaching of football was one of those resources. 81 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 3: You know, playing in the band and being an habitat 82 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 3: free humanity, doing all these things, I really just started 83 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 3: to sort of encapsulate in my mind that, you know, 84 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 3: there are opportunities that exist for people like me, you know, 85 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 3: young black, you know, kid of two parents, immigrant parents, 86 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 3: four older brothers that can come and do something big 87 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 3: in this country. And I think when I started to 88 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 3: have success at each of those stations of my life, 89 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 3: whether it be in the community doing philanthropic work, or 90 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:11,839 Speaker 3: whether it be on the football field running past people 91 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 3: and scoring touchdowns, or whether it be in a classroom 92 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 3: getting straight a's, I said, okay, you know I'm built 93 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 3: a little different. My parents have invested a lot in me, 94 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 3: and they keep promoting. You know that I'm still worthy 95 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 3: of success in this community, in this environment, despite our differences. 96 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,359 Speaker 3: That belief from my parents and my older brothers really 97 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 3: gave me the assurance that you know, I am different. 98 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 3: I can do good. I can use this great platform 99 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 3: that we have in the US, coming from a smaller country, 100 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 3: to go far, reach my own dreams and help people 101 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 3: along the way. 102 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 2: So as you're grown up in your real life, man, 103 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 2: I could really do something great. But between my years 104 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 2: and I could do something great on the football field. 105 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 2: Did you have dual dreams or do you have one 106 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 2: over the other. 107 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 3: I think it was dual. It really was, And I 108 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 3: realized that it was that way because again, you know, 109 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 3: I give love to Whitney and Beverly. My parents, they 110 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 3: would change the rewards for my academic success first my 111 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 3: athletic success. So I loved getting straight a's in class. 112 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 3: I loved turning my assignments in on time, and you know, 113 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 3: answering the questions first and doing all those sorts of things. 114 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 3: And I would get huge pizza pies from this Giovanni's 115 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 3: Pizza shop, Italian shop in Gallery, New Jersey. Every time 116 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,239 Speaker 3: I came home with straight a's and I was like, nice, 117 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 3: and my older. 118 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 4: What you're saying? 119 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 3: I like this though, And the great thing about it 120 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 3: exact that I have four very hungry, big older brothers 121 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 3: who would often take my food when I was younger. 122 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 3: And then my parents said, you cannot take Myron's food 123 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 3: when we give him this incentive. So I got to 124 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 3: eat it all by myself. That was wonderful. And then 125 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 3: with football, if I scored three touchdowns it felt good. 126 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 3: I was like, oh man, this is amazing. I'm running 127 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 3: past these guys, running them over, and then my parents 128 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 3: are getting be patter on the back like okay, good job. 129 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 3: I'm like, well, where's my pizza pie for athletic accomplishments. 130 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 3: But I loved football. I loved how it fed to 131 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 3: my competitiveness in the classroom. And I used both of 132 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 3: those roads as sort of like in a symbiotic, sort 133 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 3: of synergistic relationship that if I compete, I'm competing like 134 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 3: myyern roll on the field and in the classroom. And 135 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 3: that drive to want to be the best didn't really 136 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 3: stop once I took my helmet off. So to answer 137 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 3: your question, they were dual paths, and I always sort of, 138 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 3: you know, saw myself as a student athlete and had 139 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 3: good balance between both lives. For sure, it. 140 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 2: Sounds to me like they were driving you on the 141 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 2: the academic side, because it's you know, it's probably harder 142 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 2: for a kid to dream about, Oh, I'm gonna go 143 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 2: off and be a rocket scientist than it is to 144 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:42,679 Speaker 2: be a professional athlete. 145 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 4: Who did you hang out with? 146 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 2: Did you hang out with the jocks or did you 147 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 2: hang out with the smart kids. 148 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 3: You know, it's a good question. I hung out with 149 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 3: mostly the jocks, but I was so I was easily 150 00:06:56,040 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 3: accepted into the drama kids because I played ten and 151 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 3: fidl on the roof as a white Russian Jewish milkman 152 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 3: with five white daughters. Really, oh yeah, if I were 153 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 3: a rich man, I was singing out dancing people. I 154 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 3: loved it, man, it was great. So I was hanging 155 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 3: with the drama kids, and then I played the baritone saxophone, 156 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 3: So I hung out with the band kids a little bit. 157 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 3: But my boys like close, close boys. Even to this day. 158 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 3: He was my best man at my wedding were the jocks, 159 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 3: the football players. We just we just vibed really well 160 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 3: and we had a good time. So yeah, no, it 161 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 3: was nice. I definitely had a very diverse friend grouping 162 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 3: when I was younger, and I think that's helped me 163 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 3: be a better leader and a better physician today, take 164 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,559 Speaker 3: care of patients who come from different parts of the world. 165 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 2: Hey, you know, and I love that you could bring 166 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 2: this also into what you do your metical professional now, 167 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 2: because locker room football locker room is beautiful place, and 168 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 2: it's right. It's the only place you could have some fat, 169 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 2: white racist lineman being the best man at a young 170 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 2: fuck black Ey's wedding, go with he cares right, you're 171 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 2: fighting from top two seconds as long as you can 172 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:00,679 Speaker 2: go laugh together. 173 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 4: It's all love. 174 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 2: There's nothing but love in that place, right, And then 175 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 2: if the rest of the world acted like we did 176 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 2: an NFL locker. 177 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 3: Room, we wouldn't be fighting so much. Man, you are 178 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 3: absolutely correct. You know, people ask me on time, doctor Roll, 179 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,119 Speaker 3: what do you miss about football? Do you miss playing? 180 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, I missed a little bit, but I 181 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 3: missed the locker room, man, I miss the fights. That 182 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 3: were fun in jovial. I missed the bets that people 183 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 3: would place on the miss things. This is what I 184 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 3: missed to Jay, And I'm sure you had this experience 185 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 3: too when you were in there. But you know, when 186 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 3: we would fly to games, it was like a fashion show. 187 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 3: And you know, I'm a six round pick. I don't 188 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 3: have the kind of money that Chris Johnson or Vince 189 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 3: Young has. So I'm walking in there with like regular 190 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 3: Polo on or whatever. These guys are Gucci, Louie, Fendi, Prada, 191 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 3: and they're like, oh, ro you gotta take that off, roll, 192 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 3: you gotta take that off. I'm like, hey, man, this 193 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 3: is the best I can do joke and it was 194 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 3: just it was so fun. It was great. We loved it. Man, 195 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 3: I loved it. 196 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 4: And that's a fun team to be around too. I 197 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 4: tell you a quick one here. I was so. 198 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 2: I started out first mixed more Lark's training program for 199 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 2: pro athletes. They opened up a gym here called Unbreakable, 200 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 2: and Chris Johnson came in. His kind of career was 201 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 2: going down and came in and man, he's going home 202 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 2: one week And I say, hey, Chris, man, don't go 203 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 2: home doing favor like, you're doing great here, you know, 204 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 2: because I said, Chris, I thought, Chris, once you got 205 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 2: your money, you started looking for the home run every 206 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 2: play instead of just like hitting that hole. You started 207 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 2: looking So the man, we're gonna kind of give you 208 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 2: this fighter mentality where every single time you're swinging away, 209 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 2: swinging away, going. 210 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 4: For that knockout. 211 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:29,719 Speaker 2: Right, it's just a mentality. So Chris goes home, he 212 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 2: ends up getting shot, and you know it's a terrible incident. 213 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 2: Right two weeks later he got a sling on and uh, 214 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 2: he walks in the gym. Obviously, Man, I'm so happy 215 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 2: you see him. I love Chris Johnson. Dude, Matt, come 216 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 2: give him big hope. So glad man, you came back 217 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 2: out and see us. We could see it. You're okay. 218 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 2: And he goes and he gets changed. I said, what 219 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 2: are you doing against? I want to hear a training? 220 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 2: So what do you mean here a train? He goes, 221 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,839 Speaker 2: we'll train around it. I said, you got a bullet 222 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 2: in your shoulder. He goes, yeah, well we'll train around it. 223 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 2: I said, Chris, you have a bullet in your shoulder. 224 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 2: He goes, Jake, ladies, just figuring your way out. So 225 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 2: I had to Chris with a bullet in his shoulder 226 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 2: and train them all the way back and ended up 227 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 2: getting them signed two hours on our Cardinals after that, 228 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,319 Speaker 2: and he was I think he was thin. He was 229 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 2: come back Player of the Year. But that was the 230 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 2: first for me to have to trade. Now, listen, when 231 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 2: you're hanging the fight community, you hang out with a 232 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 2: bunch of crazy people. But this was still first for 233 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 2: me to trade a guy with a bullet and his 234 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 2: shoulder and and get him through. 235 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 4: Man. But that was a man. That was wild. That 236 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 4: was a that was a wild time. That was a 237 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 4: fun must have been a fun team to be around. 238 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 3: That was a lot of fun. And CJ, you know 239 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 3: he uh he took care of me too because we 240 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 3: trained in Orlando together where he's from, uh the wild 241 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 3: Ward Sports at Disney And so when I got up 242 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 3: to Tennessee, I got drafted. You know, he called me 243 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 3: immediately said I got you. So that's another beautiful thing 244 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 3: about the locker room. You know, you had these guys 245 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 3: who just want to put their arms around you and 246 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 3: make sure you're doing the right thing and teach you 247 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 3: the right ways on how to be a pro, how 248 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 3: to protect the shield, how to keep your body right, 249 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 3: how to stay away from trouble, how to manage your money. 250 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 3: You know how to know where the pitfalls are because 251 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 3: you come in from and you know this jam, I mean, 252 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 3: come in from eating waffle house as a junior at 253 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 3: Florida State University in Tallahassee, Florida. Then you got the 254 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 3: money to buy Ruth Chris whenever you want uh and 255 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 3: fly different people in or give somebody a little loan 256 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 3: because they helped you out in the Bahamas when you 257 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 3: were younger or something, or in New Jersey. And what 258 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 3: can you do? You know, how can we how can 259 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 3: we keep ourselves alive? And how can we you know, 260 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 3: keep the main thing the main thing and focus on 261 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 3: the game. So Chris was helpful for that. Definitely a 262 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 3: fun team. Love playing there and it was awesome. 263 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 4: So now as your your career goes on and you 264 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 4: played for. 265 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 3: You played for four years three just three three years? 266 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:36,839 Speaker 2: Correct? Don't say just three three is good? Three is 267 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 2: more than the rest of the world. And it's what 268 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 2: I get on guys. But there's all time and say 269 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 2: I just did this, No man, you and this is 270 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 2: why I started this foundation. MVP e merging bets of 271 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 2: players to help football players and fighters and veterans when 272 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 2: they when the uniform comes off in transition, a lot 273 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,319 Speaker 2: of times guys are gonna put down what they've done. Man, 274 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 2: you playing in the NFL, myron is not who you 275 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 2: are and what's behind your ribcage that. 276 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 4: Got you to beat out millions and millions and millions. 277 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 2: To play on that level. That's who you are. Whether 278 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 2: it's one game or a thousand games, it doesn't matter. 279 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 2: That makes you different. And that's what people forget a 280 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 2: lot of times. So whenever it's I don't ever want 281 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 2: you to say only three again, Right, I played three 282 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 2: years in the NFL. 283 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 4: You know, I'm not trying to school the doctor here, 284 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 4: but I'm schooling the doctor here. 285 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 3: I'm a lifelong learner. I appreciate that, right. 286 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:23,839 Speaker 2: I want you to have some pride that you play 287 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 2: in the NFL. Man, That is that makes you fucking 288 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 2: different than everybody else on the planet, every room you 289 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 2: walk into forever, and nobody could ever take that away 290 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 2: from you. 291 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 4: So when you did leave after year three, was it. 292 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 2: A difficult transition or did you already know Okay, I'm 293 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 2: gonna go you no go to medicine, and I have 294 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 2: my next purpose was there at that time. 295 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,199 Speaker 4: The difficult time in between. 296 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 3: It was definitely difficult. Even though I had the road 297 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 3: ready to go, Even though I was reading medical journals 298 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 3: and you know, preparing for the MCAT, you know, the 299 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 3: interest examine too, medical school, I was thinking about the transition. 300 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 3: I still felt that I you know, I was young. 301 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 3: I was twenty five years old, twenty six, and football 302 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 3: had informed my entire life up to that point, and 303 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 3: my friendships, my lifestyle, my sleeping habits, my eating habits, 304 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 3: I mean even my wardrobe. I dressed like a player, 305 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 3: I walk like a player. I wore slides everywhere because 306 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 3: I wanted to keep my feet right. I was getting 307 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 3: massages and doing all the things that you would do 308 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 3: on a day to day basis. I would wake up 309 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 3: thinking about football. Now, when that's over and you transition 310 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 3: to your next chapter of your life, it's like, man, 311 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 3: well where do I fill this void? And so for me, 312 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 3: it took me a couple of days, actually a couple 313 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 3: of weeks of just being in my parents' home. And 314 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 3: this sounds, you know, maybe a little bit of a regression, 315 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 3: but I look at it as going to where you 316 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 3: protected your refuge. I went to my parents home. I 317 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 3: ate my favorite peas and rice and crack cunk my, 318 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 3: you know, our Bahamian dish. My mommy and daddy would 319 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 3: just sort of pray for me and just look after 320 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 3: me and make sure I was okay. And then when 321 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 3: I got out of that sort of moment of lamentation, 322 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 3: I said, Okay, now it's time for me to shrug 323 00:13:57,800 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 3: this off and get going. And actually my mother came 324 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 3: into my room and said, you know, you had a 325 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 3: couple of things written down on the list when you 326 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 3: were younger of what you wanted to be Rhodes scholar, 327 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 3: NFL player, brain surgeon. You crossed off these first two. 328 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 3: The second one is done. Football is over. Now now 329 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 3: it's time to get this third one done. And I 330 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 3: think you're the man for the job. And when when 331 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 3: we said that to me, that was like the words 332 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 3: I need to hear to say, pick yourself up, don't 333 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 3: say what was me. Get into the books and be 334 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 3: the best brain surgeon that you possibly be, because the 335 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 3: next chapter of your life will have value, will have meaning, 336 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 3: and use what football taught you to be a better physician, 337 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 3: to be a better neurosurgeon. And thankfully I've been able 338 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 3: to do that. So that's kind of how I shook 339 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 3: it off, and you know, dove straight into this career 340 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 3: that I'm currently in and I've enjoyed it ever since. 341 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 2: Her. REMEMBERDS once told those Buccaneers players say, hey, football 342 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 2: is an opportunity. 343 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 4: That's what it is. 344 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 2: It's an opportunity and you could use a lot of 345 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 2: things that you learned football your next step of life. 346 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 2: But if we just hold on for like man, I 347 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 2: just lost that forever. That's a difficult place for guys 348 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 2: to get out of it. And I understand it because also, 349 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 2: like football is different than other sports, Like if you 350 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 2: play basketball, you retire, you can shoot, you know, on 351 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 2: black top of your boys forever. 352 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 3: Right. 353 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 2: You play hockey, you still skate around with your boys, 354 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 2: you play baseball. You're done with football. It's done. 355 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 4: It's over. 356 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 2: There's no more, there's no You're not gonna go out 357 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 2: play two un in touch. For you buddies, it's over. 358 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 2: And that's that's hard. That's a really difficult. 359 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 4: Thing for a lot of guys. 360 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is, absolutely it is. And you know when 361 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 3: I tell people of this story, I say, you know, 362 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 3: for someone who had to plan one B or one A, 363 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it, like myself. Even for me, 364 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 3: it was hard to leave. So I can imagine guys 365 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 3: who may have put a lot into football and not 366 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 3: really paid much attention or given a priority to what 367 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 3: the next chapter of their life may look like. Those 368 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 3: individuals sometimes are susceptible to spiraling and need as much 369 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 3: support to butcher them forward and keep them afloating, and 370 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 3: to tell them that your worth is not defined by 371 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 3: the helmets of shoda pads and the stats you had 372 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 3: on the field, tuly defined by the type of man 373 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 3: and character you have, and a difference you can make 374 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 3: with the abilities that you've been able to accrue over 375 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 3: your lifetime. Don't lose it when I think about you know, 376 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 3: the people who want to employ leaders, they look for 377 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 3: people with discipline, focus, hard work, communication skills, teamwork, ability, 378 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 3: overcoming adversity, mitigating pressure, knowing how to be coached. That's 379 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 3: everything we've done as athletes our entire life. You can 380 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 3: translate those same characteristics to medicine like me, education, law enforcement, business, 381 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 3: whatever it is. There is a shot for you out there, 382 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 3: and so I think you know it makes sense. I 383 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 3: know you're you know, you're preach the same message. Jay, 384 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 3: What were you when you went to medicine were you 385 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 3: looking for? 386 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 2: I guess a locker room and they're a different type 387 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 2: of locker room, and how you know, you know again 388 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 2: it's we need this team right to help us between 389 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 2: our yours a lot. How different or are there any 390 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 2: similarities from that kind of locker room to locker room 391 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 2: from football? 392 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely was looking for that sort of camaraderie 393 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 3: and I found it in my my Harvard residency program 394 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 3: up here in Boston, mass General Hospital. It's you know, 395 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 3: there are over one hundred residency programs around the country, 396 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 3: and you know, I was interviewed at all of them. 397 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 3: Johns Hopkins, University of California, San Francisco, Yale, you know, 398 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 3: Penn everywhere, Miami, Vanderbilt. But I liked Harvard because the residents, 399 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 3: you know, were cohesive. They after the surgeries, they would 400 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 3: go and get some food at a local restaurant and 401 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 3: talk about life. And they can have discussions about you know, 402 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 3: pituitary autonomas and how it's affecting the hormonal distribution to 403 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 3: this patient. But then the next second they could talk 404 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 3: about you know, jay Z and Beyonce's newest tour that 405 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 3: are doing. I'm like, okay, you know, I like the balance. 406 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 3: I like to be able to do a little both 407 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 3: because I never wanted to ever jay be defined in 408 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 3: a box as just a brain surgeon or just a 409 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 3: football player. I always wanted to be a human that 410 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 3: could intersect with other people because as much as I 411 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 3: love this field of neurosurgery, you know, in order to 412 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 3: one communicate with patients, but also to bring neuse surgery 413 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 3: to the mainstream and try to bring other people into 414 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 3: what we do, uh as far as policy, as far 415 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 3: as prevention, you have to be able to communicate with 416 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 3: these individuals. And and I loved it. I love the 417 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 3: sort of cohesiveness of this program here in Harvard. I 418 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 3: found it here and it's been it's been great. 419 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 2: I mean, ask you, I think it's a difficult one, 420 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 2: but you I want to get a deeper as I 421 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 2: can with you here. I don't know if there's a 422 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 2: training for this. When you have a patient that comes 423 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 2: in and you know they're not going to make it, 424 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 2: and you've got to tell them they're not going to 425 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 2: make it, Like. 426 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 4: How do you how do you train for that? How 427 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 4: do you prepare for that? Does it? Does it ever 428 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 4: get to a plum where it's just like, Okay, I'm 429 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 4: just gonna switch in a gear and do it. And 430 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 4: I have no idea what that process would be like. 431 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I am unashamed to say that I cried the 432 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 3: first two times we lost patients, and you know, I 433 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 3: was directly involved in the care. It was to a 434 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 3: point where this child was unsalvageable. They had been involved 435 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 3: in a road traffic accident. They had siblings who died 436 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 3: on the scene of that road traffic accident. They came 437 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 3: in two o'clock in the morning. I'm the only neurosurgeon 438 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 3: in the house at that particular time. I was asked 439 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 3: to do an emergency procedure. Did it. I went pretty well, 440 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 3: but just too many other trauma to the patient's body 441 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 3: didn't allow them to sustain life. And talking to this 442 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:24,479 Speaker 3: family that was very religious, very you know, together, they 443 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 3: reminded me of my family. You know. They were all 444 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 3: sitting together and sort of on the couch hoping for 445 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 3: good news, and I did not have good news to 446 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 3: give them. I held it together during that conversation and 447 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 3: tried to stay to the facts and try to stay 448 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 3: to what we did, what we're thinking about. What teams were, 449 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 3: you know, enlisting to sort of help us manage your child, 450 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 3: and how we're looking forward to, you know, the next 451 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,360 Speaker 3: steps and doing it with a guarded sort of prognosis. 452 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,199 Speaker 3: But here's what Here are the facts leading with that 453 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 3: rather than emotion. But when I left there, Jay, I 454 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 3: broke down and I called my daddy on the way home, 455 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 3: Who's you know, my hero? And I said that you know, 456 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 3: this is tough, this is hard to lose this patient 457 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 3: and talk to this family that looked a lot like us. 458 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,679 Speaker 3: And you know, we said, Marin, if you didn't feel 459 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 3: that way, I would be afraid that you're in the 460 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,880 Speaker 3: wrong profession right, if you didn't have that empathy that 461 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 3: you care for these folks even though you don't know them, 462 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 3: but they're your patient, they're under your jurisdiction. If you 463 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 3: didn't feel anything for them, I'd be nervous for you. 464 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 3: And so he said, use that, use it, but at 465 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 3: the same time, build on it and know that you're human. 466 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 3: You have a limit to your ability. You can be 467 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 3: a great brain surgeon, but you can't do it all 468 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 3: and just do the best you possibly can. Did you 469 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 3: do the best you could? I said, yes, Daddy, I 470 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 3: did do the best I could. He said, great, I'm 471 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 3: proud of you. And when hearing that, you know, I 472 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 3: keep going back to my parents, but they are phenomenal. 473 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:45,479 Speaker 3: They pour into me. And to hear them say that 474 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 3: to me, even at thirty six years old, old man 475 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 3: with four kids of my own and a wife, I just, 476 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,360 Speaker 3: you know, I needed to hear that, And so that's 477 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 3: how I've gotten through those very difficult situations. 478 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 4: Is there a part. 479 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 2: Of your education where they train you for these conversations 480 00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 2: or they just leave it up to you. 481 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 3: Now, it happens so quickly, it's sort of such a 482 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 3: rat race. Sometimes in neurosurgery, they have social work available, 483 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 3: they have some mental health coaches that they have at 484 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 3: our disposal if we need them. But honestly, Jay, I mean, 485 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 3: we're working eighty plus hours a week as residents sometimes 486 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 3: and trying to see if we can even get food 487 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 3: in our system. Because we're running around doing surgery, seeing 488 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 3: this patient, seeing this console, moving here and moving there, 489 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 3: and doing all these things. It's kind of it's really 490 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 3: hard to sort of think about yourself in those moments. 491 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 3: But in that particular situation, you know, I did, you know, 492 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 3: come to a realization that I got to take care 493 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 3: of this home base first before I do anything for 494 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 3: the next patient, because the next patient is going to 495 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 3: expect the best doctor, the best Miyern role that he 496 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 3: can be, and if I'm less than that, I'm not 497 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 3: doing a service for that patient or his or her family. 498 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 3: And so I needed that and I've recognized it in myself. 499 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 3: But with our sort of schedule, it's very difficult to 500 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 3: sort of sit down, take a breath, and really work 501 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 3: through some of these challenging moments of our neurosurgical journey. 502 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 2: On the other end, give me a story that you 503 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 2: end up saving someone that you didn't know but that's 504 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 2: really touched her and you were able to carry with 505 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 2: you forever. 506 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 4: Now that lifts you up. 507 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I actually wrote about it in one of 508 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 3: our main academic neurs surgical journals. As a young lady 509 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 3: fifteen years old was with her boyfriend who was substantially 510 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 3: older than her, I think almost ten or fifteen years 511 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 3: older than her. They had an argument in the car. 512 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 3: He shot her in the head with a handgun close range. 513 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 3: Her friend dropped her at a local hospital that was 514 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 3: near us, but not our hospital, right at the doorstep. 515 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 3: Then the friend left, so she was basically left abandon there. 516 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 3: The nurses and everybody in the facility took her, got 517 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 3: her to us. I was the only nurse surgeon in 518 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 3: the house. Again with my attending at home, we were 519 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 3: ready to get to work. Brought her in emergently, got 520 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 3: her to the oar. We saw that the bullet was 521 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 3: lodging to her brain and way too deep for us 522 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,479 Speaker 3: to go in and try to retrieve, because it was 523 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 3: a budding, a very import and vessel, and if we 524 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 3: removed the bullet then she would just have torential bleeding 525 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 3: from this vein. So we left the bullet in, but 526 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 3: we cleaned out all the necrotic sort of debris and 527 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 3: all the sort of you know, the dirt that came 528 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 3: from that, you know, that bullet, and that sort of 529 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 3: heat that comes with it, and we sort of fixed 530 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 3: her up a little bit and put a monitor in her, 531 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 3: and she stayed nice to you for I would say 532 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 3: about two weeks or so. She has a visual field deficit, 533 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 3: but she was able to work in physical therapy, occupational 534 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:33,199 Speaker 3: therapy live. Now she's at home at school, she's got 535 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 3: a young dog to take care of, her daughter, her mother, 536 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 3: and everybody's super proud and happy for us. And the 537 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 3: young lady has called back to me and my attending 538 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 3: and said that we saved her life and she was 539 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 3: appreciative of it. So that was a big win and 540 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 3: something that I'll never forget for sure. 541 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 2: That's amazing, man, that's fantastic. I love hearing stores. So 542 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 2: she's still to this day as the bullet interrupt she's 543 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 2: got the bullet in her head. It's you know, it's 544 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 2: got a risk of moving, very very small risk. 545 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,959 Speaker 3: But it would be much much more dangerous and actually 546 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 3: it would probably lead to a fast demise if we 547 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 3: had if we had moved it, So we left the 548 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 3: bullet in there. There are research articles to talk about 549 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 3: retained objects, you know, you know, being steady and stable 550 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 3: over a lifetime. And so we're going to keep monitoring 551 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 3: her and keep getting imaging over the years. But right 552 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,679 Speaker 3: now she's doing pretty well and she's back reintegrated with 553 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 3: our community, and we appreciate that. 554 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 2: I said, I want to ask you another end here. 555 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 2: I always told guys because obviously I fought. 556 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 4: For a long time. I wasn't a good fighter, and 557 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 4: you know, I started wrestling in eighty two, boxing in 558 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 4: eighty eight, I think, uh, mixed martial arts in ninety nine, 559 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 4: then started training guys from oh five o seven on 560 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 4: till now. 561 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 2: Right, So my brain's a mess, But I always tell guys, listen, 562 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 2: I don't fucked up, but I'm good with my fucked up. 563 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 2: Don't tell me where I'm fucked up unless you have 564 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 2: a solution. So everybody tries to tell me they have 565 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 2: a solution. So I want to know what solutions are. 566 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 3: Now. 567 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 2: What I'm saying about this dock is like, yeah, those 568 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 2: of us in the fight came like both my front 569 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 2: loads were damaged, are dented in. Then there's a dend 570 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 2: in the back here also. But even like football players like, 571 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 2: I don't know if there is enough solutions yet for us, 572 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 2: but we're being kind of scared and told oh yeah, man, 573 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 2: like man, you're both in front loves are damaged in 574 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 2: and this has happened, and this has happened. 575 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 4: I'm like, all right, so what are we gonna do 576 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 4: about it? 577 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I just want to let you know, 578 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 2: so now you know your symptoms. Well, the fuck I 579 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 2: didn't you need to know my symptoms yesterday? I'll find 580 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 2: you yesterday until you told me this. Where are we 581 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 2: as far as getting better in you know, in that 582 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,199 Speaker 2: getting our brains healthier? And And I've been to a 583 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 2: lot of different things. I went to and I've tried, 584 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 2: I think a lot of stuff that's out there, and 585 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 2: none have helped yet to this level. Where are we 586 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 2: on the spectrum of getting our brains healthier for kind 587 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 2: of all of us out there. 588 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we're still a bit away from that, 589 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 3: from the point where we all want to be not 590 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 3: only keeping the current athletes safe, but those former athletes, 591 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 3: you know, protecting and preserving the function that they have 592 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 3: in their brain. The brain is the best computing database 593 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 3: that anyone could ask for, right, I mean, we're able 594 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 3: to process information at a rapid pace and speed that 595 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 3: is remarkable better than any computer. The synapses, the neurons 596 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 3: and connections, the signaling, the pathways, the reorientation of pathways 597 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 3: when there is a bit of a damage, the plasticity 598 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 3: of the brain to be able to work around some 599 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 3: of those damage. Areas that cells have either died or 600 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 3: cells are swollen, or whatever the case would be, the 601 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,479 Speaker 3: brain finds a way and even vasculature right vessels. If 602 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 3: something you know is a stroke patient or a patient 603 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 3: that has got some level of a schemia, you know, 604 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 3: the neovasculization to sort of work around almost like detours 605 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 3: and find a new avenue to sort of resupply blood 606 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 3: and oxygen to the brain tissue is fantastic. I think 607 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 3: what we're doing now with traumatic brain injury is trying 608 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 3: to include more people into the discussion from neurosurgery, like 609 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 3: usrologists to sort of pin down on what symptoms are 610 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 3: the main predominant symptoms for people? Is it cognitive issues? 611 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 3: Can you not think that clearly? You got a bit 612 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 3: of brain fog? Is it insomnia? Is it photophobia? Is 613 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 3: it amnesia? Is it profound headaches? Is it mood liability? 614 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 3: You know, what is it? Or is it all of 615 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 3: these things? Right? What is your main predominant symptom and 616 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 3: what's the main predominant neurotransmitter that we're seeing at an 617 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 3: excess level in these particular patients. Then you bring it 618 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 3: in social psychologists to talk about the ability to self 619 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 3: report and say, you know, as men, sometimes we try 620 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 3: to guard ourselves or even athletes in general just try 621 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 3: to guard ourselves from saying that we are weaker or 622 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 3: not feeling right or a little bit off because it's 623 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 3: not a broken bone, a broken shoulder, or a limp. 624 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 3: You know, it's not something that you can visibly see 625 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 3: or people say, oh, I see you're hurt, I see it. 626 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 3: You know this this mental issues or sort of cognitive 627 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 3: issues with people that can be a nebulous sort of 628 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,679 Speaker 3: topic that not everyone can see or relate to. Then 629 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 3: you bring physicists, right, how do you deal with the 630 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 3: rotational movement of the neck and the head and sort 631 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 3: of working that through. So there's a lot of multidisciplinary 632 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 3: work that's going on. There are studies happening right across 633 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 3: the street at Boston University talking about if you play 634 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 3: for a long time, you may be high susceptible to als, 635 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 3: or you may be high susceptible to Parkinson's disease or 636 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 3: parking Sonian kind of symptoms. So there's some long term 637 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 3: research going on. Technology is still being worked through, so 638 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 3: the discussion and the topic is still ongoing. There is not, 639 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 3: i think a magic bullet at this particular point, nor 640 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 3: a magic therapy But what I do feel is sort 641 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,719 Speaker 3: of the next frontier of this of what we're doing 642 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 3: in traumatic brain injury is trying to preserve and protect 643 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 3: the game that we love, the sports that we love, 644 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 3: by making it safer in any way we can technology 645 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 3: understanding what plays may lead to some of these issues, 646 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 3: making sure we can identify traumatic events a lot sooner. 647 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 3: You don't have the radiology graphics sort of findings just yet. 648 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 3: Everything is pretty much autopsy. When you expire, they can 649 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 3: look and see if you have these build ups of 650 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 3: proteins and not really right now while you're alive, and 651 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 3: so a lot of work to be done, a lot 652 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 3: of conversations around it. But I think it's what's coming 653 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 3: down the line for the younger group that is coming up. 654 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 3: My kids coming up, and the younger children are coming up. 655 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 3: I think that's where you'll start to see a bit 656 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 3: of the difference juxtaposed to the group that's either playing 657 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 3: now or playing in the past. 658 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 4: Because right now you've got guys in the past. 659 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 2: I have a friend who just went and got a 660 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 2: brain scammed by a certain university, and I said, why 661 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 2: why are you going? 662 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 4: He said, I wonder what's going on? I said why, 663 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 4: He said, what you want to see? 664 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 2: So he went and he said, man, you know what, 665 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 2: I thought I had like five or six concussions. It 666 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 2: turned out about forty to fifty. And I said, so 667 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 2: what are they doing about it? He goes, well, nothing, 668 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 2: but now I know, like the computer screen, it's harder 669 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 2: to read it, I have headaches. I'm like, yeah, but 670 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 2: you didn't yesterday until they told you this information. 671 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 4: And that's why I ask you about this, because that's 672 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 4: what like it leads to beat down a bad road. 673 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 2: There is no you know, I'm sure there will be 674 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 2: better solutions soon. 675 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 4: And I do for myself too. 676 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 2: I'll do hyperbart chamber, I'll do supplements, I'll do you know, 677 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 2: just certain things I could I could do. I've learned 678 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 2: breath recommendation and things like that. But my other question 679 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 2: too is, you know, I have, you know, memory issues, 680 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 2: and I'm starting to think it's not so much from 681 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 2: getting hit, and it's more so much than I'm just 682 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 2: using up so much data with this phone in my brain. 683 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 2: Like the addiction that I after this to my phone 684 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 2: is I don't think I've ever been addicted to something 685 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 2: like this, and I've had I viken an addiction. 686 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 4: I've been an adderall I've been, you know, stuff like this. 687 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 4: But man, what what is the correlation to. 688 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 2: How our brands are being affected by how connected we 689 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 2: are now to our phones and toddlets? 690 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, you know, I think that you know the 691 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,719 Speaker 3: information that you're able to process with these images, with 692 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 3: these screens, it's a lot, you know. And I kind 693 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 3: of mentioned that processes happened concommonly in the brain. You 694 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 3: have these photoreceptors, you have your eyes that are taken 695 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 3: in that information. Then it has to get back to 696 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 3: your cortex and process what it is. Then you have 697 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 3: to sort of relay it to your body to say, Okay, 698 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 3: I'm going to have an emotional reaction to this, or 699 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 3: I'm going to speak to this, or I'm going to 700 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 3: actually physically move my hands and respond to this. So 701 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 3: there's all sorts of things happening over and over and 702 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 3: over and over again. And the brain, just like any 703 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 3: muscle in a body, can get fatigued, can get overrun, 704 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 3: and if it's not replenished with glucose hydration, good sleep, 705 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 3: vitamin E, which you know I'm sure you're probably aware 706 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 3: of as well. You know, these sorts of supplements that 707 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 3: can help relieve some of the metabolic waste that comes 708 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 3: with those processes. Whenever you have a process that happens 709 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 3: in a brain, there's waste that comes with it. And 710 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 3: the waste builds up because you have lack of sleep 711 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 3: or lack of hydration or you know, you're not really 712 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 3: healthy in that way, then it sort of creates this 713 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 3: sort of like we call it a fog in nurse surgery. 714 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 3: It's just literally somebody in a day's and they're going 715 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 3: through life and you can lead you see them. The 716 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 3: lights are on, but not really anybody's home, and they're 717 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 3: just not really functioning at that clip that you would 718 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 3: expect somebody who is a high functioning individual. So there's 719 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 3: a lot to it, and yeah, I definitely believe in, 720 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 3: you know, the limitation of some of the exposure of 721 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 3: stimuli that we get. And I do it early. Even 722 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 3: with my children, you know, I mean they're not on 723 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 3: you know, things often and even though it's easy to 724 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 3: kind of take care of them and they can get 725 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 3: on their iPad and look at cocoa melon and they 726 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 3: can just be quiet. Yeah, let's take this away and 727 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 3: you know, let's go throw a ball, Let's go run outside, 728 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 3: Let's go swimming our pool, or something like that. 729 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 2: I'm gonna finish you off with one last question, which 730 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 2: I ask every one of my guests. Podcasts called them breakable. 731 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 2: Unbreakable to me is something that should have could have 732 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 2: broken you, but didn't. As a result, you came to 733 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 2: the other side of that tunnel stronger for the rest 734 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 2: of your life. What would that unbreakable moment. 735 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 3: Be for you, man? I think that unbreakable moment for 736 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 3: me was probably getting released by the by the Pittsburgh 737 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 3: Steelers in my third year and feeling like I let 738 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 3: people down in the Bahamas at Florida State. I've always been, 739 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 3: you know, at the higher level of competition, and now 740 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 3: I have a group telling me I don't want you anymore. 741 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 3: I don't need your services anymore. That could have broke me, 742 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 3: That could have stopped me. But because I had a 743 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 3: great family, because I read great books like Gifts It 744 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 3: Hands by Ben Carson, and because I had great mentors 745 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 3: and people to pour life into me, I said, I'm 746 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 3: going to pick myself up and get two percent better 747 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 3: every day and keep working towards being the best version 748 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 3: of myself. So one day, I can flip the script 749 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 3: and help people not only take out brain tumors and 750 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 3: you know, fix people who've got traumatic brain injuries, but 751 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 3: I can be an advocate and a voice for my 752 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 3: former teammates who say, hey, Myron, or they call me three. 753 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 3: You know my number in college. What can I do 754 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 3: to help my brain? What can I do to you know, 755 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 3: keep my mind sharp? I love being able to reach 756 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 3: back and help my boys like that because they mean 757 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 3: so much to me. So I think that would be 758 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 3: my unbreakable moment. 759 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 2: Doc, I appreciate you joining me three. Thank you so much, man. 760 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 2: I really this has been fantastic. 761 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 4: Doctor Morrow. Roll here on the Unbreakable pot a guest