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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you should know

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Speaker 1: from house Stuffworks dot Com. Hi, I'm welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh, I'm Chuck. Yeah. Hey, Chuck, Studio one, Ay,

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Speaker 1: deep within the bowels corporate quarters, That's where we are, Chuck,

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Speaker 1: I have a question for you, shooting. Is that a

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Speaker 1: bottle of Windex in your pants? It is not. It's

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Speaker 1: funny because I can see myself in him. Really, I

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Speaker 1: have no idea where this is going. Actually, I just

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Speaker 1: wanted to demonstrate an example of flirting. That's flirting. It

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Speaker 1: is a really overt, crude, crass, and and probably completely

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Speaker 1: counterproductive form of flirting. But yes, that was flirting. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if that counts. Actually, that was just a

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Speaker 1: come online. I don't know if that counts as flirting.

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Speaker 1: To be honest, Well, I could have just as easily said, Chuck,

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Speaker 1: have you seen the latest issue of National Geographic. Believe

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Speaker 1: it or not, there's a leopard on the cover. That

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Speaker 1: is not flirting at all. I chose to direct a

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Speaker 1: sentence to try to get you into bed, just now, expressly, expressly,

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Speaker 1: actually blushing as a result of flirting. Right, We'll get

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Speaker 1: into that later. And I've got some very startling facts

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Speaker 1: about blushing and other things like that. It's gonna be

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Speaker 1: so we're talking about flirting today, chuck. Um. From what

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Speaker 1: I understand, flirting is technically considered a language, especially by

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Speaker 1: evolutionary psychologists, UM, behavioral psychologists, anthropologists. Basically anybody with an

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Speaker 1: ist end, just especially UM, considers it. It's a type

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Speaker 1: of language. It's body language, but it's language nonetheless, and uh,

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Speaker 1: it's it's been pretty important to our survival as a species. Basically,

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Speaker 1: what flirting is other you know, it's it's me giving

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Speaker 1: you a bad pickup line or rubbing your knee as

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Speaker 1: I am right now, Um, it's it's yeah. Okay, did

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Speaker 1: you think it was Jerry, our producer? No, I thought

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Speaker 1: we had a troll under the table here. That was me?

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Speaker 1: What did you think I felt? Nice? Okay? So, Um,

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Speaker 1: whether it's rubbing your knee or trying to pick you

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Speaker 1: up with with a bad line, Um, basically, what I'm

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Speaker 1: doing is I'm sizing you up and letting you size

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Speaker 1: me up to figure out how well we could reproduce

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Speaker 1: in a sense, and the reason it's so important for

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Speaker 1: you know, the evolution of the human race and actually

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Speaker 1: just about every other animal race out there or species

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Speaker 1: out there is um it. We can figure out whether

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Speaker 1: or not the reproduction a work before actually having sex.

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Speaker 1: So essentially, without flirting, either nothing would happen ever, right,

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Speaker 1: or everything would happen all the time, and there'd be

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Speaker 1: six trillion people on the planet which would wobble sickening,

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Speaker 1: lee under the weight pretty much. Yeah, so we would

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Speaker 1: have died out or there'll just be too many of us.

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Speaker 1: Any other way we'd be screwed. So flirting is a

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Speaker 1: way of kind of leading up to the sex part

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Speaker 1: and keeping us from jumping in bed with every single

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Speaker 1: person to see if it works. Well, thank god for that, agreed. Agreed,

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Speaker 1: flirting is kind of fun, isn't it. It's world class flirt,

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Speaker 1: are you really? Yeah? Sure, you always rein it in

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Speaker 1: when I'm around. Well, you know, you never let that

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Speaker 1: light shine on the josh on the Josh. I like that. Uh,

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Speaker 1: the flirting signs, like some some of the physical kids. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's actually kind of off putting if it's not done

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Speaker 1: That's huge. Someone told me early on a female friend

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Speaker 1: and got any We're idiots. Men are idiots, so we

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Speaker 1: who could shape shift very appropriately makes sense. Um, it's

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Speaker 1: was a it was a big eye opening experience. Well,

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Speaker 1: I know, men's flirtations are much more aggressive and over

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Speaker 1: not cosh Kari, the fight or flight response, the sympathetic

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Speaker 1: you know, kind of swivel their hips a little bit

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Speaker 1: per usual, I'm going to butcher this person's name, Ranius

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