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Speaker 1: sub minimum wage. That's right, that's what I said, sub
Speaker 1: minimum wave even less than minimum wage rolled the clip.
Speaker 1: The federal minimum wage is seven dollars and twenty five
Speaker 1: cents an hour, but in forty three states, employers are
Speaker 1: allowed to pay tipped workers less, some as little as
Speaker 1: two dollars and thirteen cents an hour, a federal wage
Speaker 1: which is not increased in twenty five years. The rationale
Speaker 1: is that customers chips are supposed to make up the
Speaker 1: difference between two dollars and thirteen cents an hour and
Speaker 1: the minimum wage, and if the tipped employee doesn't receive
Speaker 1: the minimum wage through tips, employers are required to pay
Speaker 1: the difference. In the industry, it's called topping up. In
Speaker 1: seven states, including Minnesota, topping up is not an issue
Speaker 1: because those states require employers to pay tipped workers the
Speaker 1: full minimum wage, tips are considered additional income. Tap. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about this a little bit more. I'm joined by
Speaker 1: Daily Show Deep Dive researcher Stephanie Oh, who was the
Speaker 1: original person who pitched this segment. Stephanie, thank you for
Speaker 1: being underpaid for so long that you finally got a
Speaker 1: spot on a show to speak out against this issue.
Speaker 1: How you doing, I'm good. How are you Roy? I'm okay,
Speaker 1: I'm okay. Also joining us for this conversation, it's the
Speaker 1: president of one Fair Wage and the director of the
Speaker 1: Food Labor Research Center at the UC Berkeley, Sorrow Jaya Raman.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. How you doing, su I'm so good.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. Now, let's start
Speaker 1: from the top. As the great Chris Rock once said
Speaker 1: in his first comedy album, Born Suspect Deep Cutshit. On
Speaker 1: this podcast, Chris Rock said that minimum wage is your
Speaker 1: boss's way of saying, Hey, if I could pay you less,
Speaker 1: I would, but it's against the law. So when we
Speaker 1: talk about sub minimum wage, first off, let's define what
Speaker 1: sub minimum wage is, and then let's get into who's
Speaker 1: affected the most by it. Well, sadly, sub minimum wage
Speaker 1: is the way Chris Rock that your boss legally pays
Speaker 1: you less than the minimum wage, and it is a
Speaker 1: direct legacy of slavery that has resulted in six million
Speaker 1: workers in the United States legally being paid less than
Speaker 1: the minimum wage because supposedly their tips bring them from
Speaker 1: that sub minimum wage to the regular minimum wage. And
Speaker 1: actually the employer is supposed to ensure for every hour
Speaker 1: that they work that tips actually bring them to the
Speaker 1: full minimum wage. But data shows that an eighty four
Speaker 1: percent of cases at least that doesn't happen. And who's
Speaker 1: the most affected by this? You know, I've waited, I
Speaker 1: pretty much. They have done everything you could possibly do
Speaker 1: in food service, from front of the house to back
Speaker 1: of the house, and even as a tipped worker at
Speaker 1: some spots you were forced to share tips with people
Speaker 1: in the back of the house who were getting minimum wage.
Speaker 1: But are there any other groups that are affected by
Speaker 1: this sorrow? Yes, Tipped workers in the US are overwhelmingly women.
Speaker 1: They're over seventy percent women, and they have been frankly
Speaker 1: since emancipation, when this whole system was created. They're over
Speaker 1: two thirds women. They are disproportion women of color. We
Speaker 1: have the highest rates of single mothers of any industry
Speaker 1: in the United States, and they are. They are overwhelmingly
Speaker 1: single mom and women who work at very casual restaurants,
Speaker 1: so eye Hoops and Denny's, Olive Garden, red Lobster. They
Speaker 1: don't less than five percent actually work in fine dining.
Speaker 1: They are overwhelmingly working in very casual restaurants. They struggle
Speaker 1: with three times the poverty rate of other workers. They
Speaker 1: use food stamps at double the rate of other workers.
Speaker 1: So they are overwhelmingly young women of color. Sometimes when
Speaker 1: I say young, I don't mean teenagers. I mean in
Speaker 1: their thirties, they have children. The median age is actually
Speaker 1: mid thirty five, and they are the lowest income women
Speaker 1: in America. Actually, what about when we talk about, you know,
Speaker 1: like I had a boss. I'll tell your brief story.
Speaker 1: I worked at a food spot in Birmingham at sixteen.
Speaker 1: I was closing the store at two in the morning,
Speaker 1: which is against every child labor law ever written. That's
Speaker 1: a separate law that's being broken. But talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about the youth work and incarcerated workers and how
Speaker 1: they could also be taken advantage of it, as well
Speaker 1: as members of the disabled community. So, first of all,
Speaker 1: let me just say there are actually multiple sub minimum
Speaker 1: wages in the US. There's the sub minimum wage for
Speaker 1: tipped workers, which is the largest population of workers earning
Speaker 1: less than the minimum wage, six million workers. There's a
Speaker 1: sub minimum wage for workers with disabilities, as you said,
Speaker 1: that's existed since the establishment of the Fair Labor Standards Act,
Speaker 1: based completely just on the idea that people with disabilities
Speaker 1: are less productive, not completely human. Basically, there's a subminum
Speaker 1: wage in many states for youth based on the idea
Speaker 1: that somehow young people deserve to be paid less when
Speaker 1: they work. There's a subminum wage for incarcerated workers that
Speaker 1: is a direct a second legacy of slavery that comes
Speaker 1: directly from, of course, the thirteenth Amendment and the ability
Speaker 1: to continue slavery in the case of incarceration. But returning
Speaker 1: to that first biggest chunk, which is six million tipped
Speaker 1: workers in America, as I said, direct legacy of slavery
Speaker 1: was created at emancipation in order to basically allow the
Speaker 1: restaurant industry to hire black people for free, black women
Speaker 1: in particular, not pay them anything, and have them live
Speaker 1: entirely on a new thing that had just come from
Speaker 1: Europe at the time called tipping, and that notion of
Speaker 1: tipping had originated in feudal Europe and it was always
Speaker 1: since feudal times an extra bonus on top of a wage.
Speaker 1: We in the US uniquely uniquely mutated it into a
Speaker 1: replacement four wages, creating the sub basically as a way
Speaker 1: to continue slavery at emancipation, and that idea was made
Speaker 1: law in nineteen thirty eight when everybody got the right
Speaker 1: to the federal minimum wage for the first time, but
Speaker 1: tipped workers, who were overwhelmingly black women, were left out
Speaker 1: and told you get zero as long as you get tips.
Speaker 1: So tipping comes from Europe. And then Americans go, well,
Speaker 1: how about I just not give you any thing? You
Speaker 1: just keep whatever a penny somebody throw it your as
Speaker 1: before the end of your shift. When did we get
Speaker 1: to the actual minimum wage for the first time? Actually,
Speaker 1: I do have to share one more thing before we
Speaker 1: get to the actual minimum wage, which is at emancipation,
Speaker 1: there were actually two industries that sought to hire newly
Speaker 1: freed black people, not pay them anything and have them
Speaker 1: live on tips. One was the Pullman train company that
Speaker 1: hired newly freed black men and as porters on trains
Speaker 1: tried to pay them just in tips. But as many
Speaker 1: of you know, A. Philip Randall formed the first black
Speaker 1: union in the United States, the Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters,
Speaker 1: and won the right to an actual wage rather than
Speaker 1: living on tips. Black women were hired by the restaurant industry,
Speaker 1: and we're not so lucky. There was no union for them,
Speaker 1: and so they were left, as you told, as you said,
Speaker 1: with just tips, no wage, and that idea that black
Speaker 1: women could be paid nothing but tips was made law
Speaker 1: in nineteen thirty eight when everybody else got the right
Speaker 1: to a federal minimum wage for the first time, but
Speaker 1: tipped workers, who are overwhelmingly women women of color, were
Speaker 1: left out and told you don't get anything, you just
Speaker 1: get tips. And we went from a zero dollar wage
Speaker 1: in nineteen thirty eight all the way up to two
Speaker 1: dollars and thirteen cents an hour, the current federal minimum
Speaker 1: wage for tipped workers in twenty twenty three. And I
Speaker 1: was saying, listen back to your question of like who
Speaker 1: these workers are. Sometimes when I share this data, people
Speaker 1: say that's terrible, but in their mind they're thinking, oh,
Speaker 1: that's okay, because it's just one tiny sliver of the population.
Speaker 1: The restaurant industry is currently the number one fastest growing
Speaker 1: private sector employer in the United States of America. It
Speaker 1: is the largest employer of women. It is the largest
Speaker 1: employer of young people. Forty percent of restaurant workers are
Speaker 1: under the age of twenty four. It is the largest
Speaker 1: employer formally incarcerated people. It is the largest employer of immigrants.
Speaker 1: It's the largest employer period. One and two Americans has
Speaker 1: worked in the industry at some point in their lifetime.
Speaker 1: Just like Stephanie and Roy, you both worked in the industry.
Speaker 1: On industry right. Half of America has worked in this industry.
Speaker 1: And yet despite its size and its growth and the
Speaker 1: fact that we've all worked in it, it has gotten
Speaker 1: away for one hundred and sixty years with not paying
Speaker 1: its own workers and essentially saying for one hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty years, we shouldn't have to pay our own workers.
Speaker 1: Other working people who eat in our restaurants should pay
Speaker 1: our workers wages for us and they, And as a result,
Speaker 1: you have this immense industry of mostly women, women of color,
Speaker 1: that are still paid two dollars an hour. Today, Stephanie,
Speaker 1: I want to ask you a question real quick about
Speaker 1: the research that went into unpacking all of this, but
Speaker 1: just real quick, saru on that nineteen thirty eight part
Speaker 1: of it. When you say that black women weren't as
Speaker 1: lucky in terms of being able to get a minimum wage,
Speaker 1: how were they seeing that? Did they just make it?
Speaker 1: Did they wedge out specific occupations that were predominantly done
Speaker 1: by black women and go everybody gets a minimum wages
Speaker 1: soup or did they just go no, you're a black,
Speaker 1: you're a woman, no money for you, Like, how did
Speaker 1: they do the racism explaining the specific angle of the
Speaker 1: racism on this, right, Well, racism at the time was
Speaker 1: segregating Black people into certain occupations and industries that were
Speaker 1: still servile basically, you know, service occupations, domestic workers, restaurant workers, porters,
Speaker 1: and those were the occupations that were denied a minimum wage,
Speaker 1: share cropping and stuff like that. That's right. The National
Speaker 1: Restaurant Association was formed twenty years before nineteen thirty eight,
Speaker 1: in nineteen nineteen, with the express intent and purpose of
Speaker 1: fighting to deny both agricultural and restaurant workers a wage.
Speaker 1: And at the time, both of those occupations were overwhelmingly black,
Speaker 1: and so you know, you can say, oh, it's about industries,
Speaker 1: but those industries were overwhelmingly black, and so really it
Speaker 1: was about denying black people a wage. Stephanie, how did
Speaker 1: this segment come together? And you know, because you know,
Speaker 1: in the building, I've always said that to get a
Speaker 1: pitch approved for production on the show, it's really not
Speaker 1: that different from getting a bill passed in Congress without
Speaker 1: voting fifteen times in a row for people. But you
Speaker 1: have the idea, you take it to someone else, and
Speaker 1: then you two go get three more people they correspond
Speaker 1: to the idea, and then you take it up there
Speaker 1: to the house speaker, which is Trevor at the time, like,
Speaker 1: how did the segment come to? And what was it
Speaker 1: about it that drew you to it? And you know,
Speaker 1: make the Daily Show cover it? Yeah, so it came
Speaker 1: about because for a while, and it's so funny that
Speaker 1: you use that analogy, because for a while I've been
Speaker 1: wanting to do something on just the experience of some
Speaker 1: sort of piece on the experience of people with disabilities,
Speaker 1: and it is exactly as you say, And so I've
Speaker 1: always you know, just kind of keeping my eyes open
Speaker 1: and ears open on different things related to their plight.
Speaker 1: And I happened upon this article that was just kind
Speaker 1: of talking about subminimal wages, subminimum wages. Excuse me, and
Speaker 1: the dollar amount shocked me. Already minimum wage as a
Speaker 1: former restaurant worker, I totally that's already blasphemous two dollars
Speaker 1: an hour, Like, are you kidding me? But twenty five
Speaker 1: cents fifteen cents minimum wage isn't the same for everyone.
Speaker 1: Businesses can take advantage of a section of a federal
Speaker 1: act that allows them to pay people with disabilities less.
Speaker 1: This program was established under the Roosevelt administration with arguably
Speaker 1: good intentions. War veterans who developed physical and mental disabilities
Speaker 1: from combat came home from abroad and struggled to find employment.
Speaker 1: There's no limit to how low an employer can pay,
Speaker 1: so employers could legally pay pennies per hour. There are
Speaker 1: even places in America workers earn as little as twenty
Speaker 1: two cents an hour. It's all perfectly legal. They're really working,
Speaker 1: They're not just sitting there. I don't know what people
Speaker 1: think they're doing. They're actually working. It's actual labor. And
Speaker 1: to pay somebody fifteen cents an hour simply because they
Speaker 1: have a developmental delay to me, is deplorable and disgusting,
Speaker 1: and I was like, we absolutely need to do this,
Speaker 1: and so I pitched it and everybody was shocked that
Speaker 1: heard about it, like what this is happening and it's legal,
Speaker 1: and yeah, that's how it came about, just the I
Speaker 1: guess the shocking aspect of it. Nobody really believed that
Speaker 1: this is a real thing, but it is. Is there
Speaker 1: anything out of all of that shock canal that stood
Speaker 1: out above everything else or was it just the fact
Speaker 1: that it's all of this is legal? I think it
Speaker 1: was multiple things. They're shocking. First of all, the dollar
Speaker 1: amount incredibly shocking. Secondly, the fact that it's being done
Speaker 1: to people that are always already so undervalued within our society.
Speaker 1: It just is like it's just it's like the cherry
Speaker 1: on top of a very poor Sunday, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Then on top of that, the fact that
Speaker 1: it's legal to do so. And then I think the
Speaker 1: sort of the fourth most shocking thing is the actual
Speaker 1: labor that they're doing. Like anybody else, if anyone on
Speaker 1: this podcast was doing that labor, we would be paid
Speaker 1: a substantial wage. And to give somebody fifteen cents an
Speaker 1: hour simply because they have a disability is crazy to me.
Speaker 1: And it's not certain. It's not just developmental disabilities. It
Speaker 1: could be someone who is, you know, a crippled or
Speaker 1: is missing a limb or something. It's all considered disabled
Speaker 1: and they can all be paid at that rage and
Speaker 1: so at that wage. Excuse me. And so that was
Speaker 1: what was probably is the most shocking thing now as
Speaker 1: I'm saying it and sorrow, what message does that sin? Like, Like,
Speaker 1: what what does that? What does that say about the
Speaker 1: way society views these workers? Like if we are okay
Speaker 1: with paying these people that, what does that say about
Speaker 1: who we are? I just wrote a book about this
Speaker 1: actually called One Fair Wage Ending Sumimum Pay in America,
Speaker 1: featuring workers tipped workers who get a submimum wage, also
Speaker 1: workers with disabilities, youth, incarcerated workers, gig workers. And if
Speaker 1: you look at each of these categories of people who
Speaker 1: can legally be paid less than the sub minimum wage,
Speaker 1: it is because of their identity, not because of the
Speaker 1: work that they're doing or their skill or their professionalism.
Speaker 1: Tipped workers are overwhelmingly women, disproportionally women of color and
Speaker 1: were originally black women entirely, and come on, it's two
Speaker 1: dollars after eighty one years of a federal minimum wage law.
Speaker 1: Because they are women, and disproportion women of color. They
Speaker 1: are the lowest income women in America. Incarcerated workers, largely
Speaker 1: or disproportionately black and brown, workers with disabilities simply because
Speaker 1: they have a disability, young people simply because they're younger,
Speaker 1: gig workers who are immigrants, and marginalized folks in our society.
Speaker 1: Each of these categories of people who get a subminimum
Speaker 1: it is, frankly, in my opinion and everything I've written
Speaker 1: about is it's a reflection on America's valuation of some
Speaker 1: people as subhumans, as less than less worth than others.
Speaker 1: It's America's valuation of black people and women from the
Speaker 1: beginning right with these two legacies of slavery. It's America's
Speaker 1: valuation of people with disabilities. It's America's valuation of young people,
Speaker 1: all legal, all reflected in law. It's a reflection of
Speaker 1: our values in law, and it's and it is horrific
Speaker 1: because what is the definition of the word minimum. The
Speaker 1: idea of the word minimum is that it's the least
Speaker 1: you can earn. That there shouldn't be anybody earning less
Speaker 1: than it, and so if somebody can earn less than it,
Speaker 1: it means that that somebuddy is not a somebuddy that's
Speaker 1: somehow less than us. Somebuddy, they're subhuman. They are valued
Speaker 1: at less because of their identity. And look, in the
Speaker 1: case of tipped workers, the fact that they're overwhelmingly women
Speaker 1: and single moms makes them incredibly vulnerable to just horrific
Speaker 1: sexual harassment and power dynamics between customers, managers, co workers,
Speaker 1: and the workers. So we have the highest rates of
Speaker 1: sexual harassment of any industry in the United States of
Speaker 1: America because you've got a workforce of women that is
Speaker 1: basically told the customers always right, and our research shows
Speaker 1: they're actually told by managers dress more sexy, show more cleavage,
Speaker 1: we're tighter clothing in order to make more money in tips.
Speaker 1: That's how you're going to do well in this job
Speaker 1: is by putting yourself out there, you know, pleasing the customer,
Speaker 1: because the customer is always right, and that invariably leads
Speaker 1: to people being harassed and even assaulted in really terrific ways. Now,
Speaker 1: see right there, I want to take a break right
Speaker 1: there because I want to get into that a little
Speaker 1: bit more after the break, because if the government says
Speaker 1: I don't have to respect you as your employer, then
Speaker 1: how does that lack of respect spiel over into the
Speaker 1: actual employment experience for the employee? This is beyond the scenes.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back now. We've talked about how it's
Speaker 1: legal to pay and underpay marginalized groups like they're worthless,
Speaker 1: which I would imagine so rue as you already touched
Speaker 1: on a little bit with regards to sexual harassment within
Speaker 1: the workplace, that it leads to the employer to feel
Speaker 1: like I don't have to respect you, and it also
Speaker 1: leads to the customer feeling like I don't have to
Speaker 1: respect you either. What direct impact does the sub minimum
Speaker 1: wage have on workers and how does it perpetuate race, gender,
Speaker 1: and disability discrimination in the workforce? I guess what are
Speaker 1: other ways? At least in the case of tipped workers,
Speaker 1: who are overwhelmingly women proportion, women of color, single moms,
Speaker 1: they are incredibly vulnerable to any kind of customer harassment
Speaker 1: because they know that those customers tips feed their children.
Speaker 1: You know, when you get a submit in wage, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure both of you experience this of two or
Speaker 1: three or four or five dollars, whatever it is in
Speaker 1: your state, it is so low you literally it literally
Speaker 1: goes to taxes. You get a pay stuff that says
Speaker 1: this is not a paycheck, and it says zero. So
Speaker 1: you are literally completely dependent on the goodwill, grace's mercy
Speaker 1: and biases of customers to feed your children. And those
Speaker 1: customers can basically do anything to however they touch you,
Speaker 1: or treat you or talk to you. The customer is
Speaker 1: always right. And even beyond that, our research shows that
Speaker 1: managers actually encourage women dress more sexy, show more cleavage,
Speaker 1: essentially sell yourself and sell your body in order to
Speaker 1: make more money in tips. And we know this is
Speaker 1: directly connected to the sub minimum wage because there are
Speaker 1: seven states that actually got rid of the sub minimum
Speaker 1: wage many decades ago. California, Oregon, Washington, Nevada, Minnesota, Montana,
Speaker 1: and Alaska all require a full minimum wage with tips
Speaker 1: on top and have for decades. And unlike what you
Speaker 1: might hear from the National Restaurant Association, these seven states
Speaker 1: actually have restaurants, actually have actually larger and you know,
Speaker 1: more booming restaurant industry than the forty three states with
Speaker 1: the sub minimum wage. Because guess what when you pay
Speaker 1: people a wage, they go spend it in restaurants, and
Speaker 1: so the restaurant industry does better when you pay people better.
Speaker 1: But what we also know from these seven states is
Speaker 1: that sexual harassment is cut in half, one half the
Speaker 1: rate of sexual harassment. Why because the women in those
Speaker 1: seven states tell us, well, I get a full wage
Speaker 1: from my boss, I get tips. Tipping is actually higher
Speaker 1: in California and Alaska than it is anywhere in the country.
Speaker 1: But they're not completely dependent on the customer tips to
Speaker 1: feed their families. They can count on that wage from
Speaker 1: their boss, and so they don't put up with as
Speaker 1: much from the customers. They don't have to tolerate as
Speaker 1: much touching or comments or anything for customers because they
Speaker 1: can count on that wage from the boss. Now, you
Speaker 1: said racial sexual worker with disability. So I talked about gender.
Speaker 1: That sexual harassment is, as I said, the highest of
Speaker 1: any industry. But it's also true that this system creates
Speaker 1: severe racial inequities, because there is now irrefutable, unsurmountable evidence
Speaker 1: that actually tipping is not correlated in the United States
Speaker 1: with the quality of service. It is correlated with the
Speaker 1: race and gender of the server. Now there's been so
Speaker 1: much testing. Women of color and people of color always
Speaker 1: get tipped less, even when they are performing what's called
Speaker 1: perfect service, even when they're right alongside a white server
Speaker 1: in a fine dining restaurant, because of what's called implicit
Speaker 1: biased among customers. And we saw that get very ugly
Speaker 1: during the pandemic. It was always there, not as explicit.
Speaker 1: During the pandemic, it got incredibly explicit. We heard from women,
Speaker 1: I'm regularly asked, take off your mask so I can
Speaker 1: see how cute you are before I decide how much
Speaker 1: I want to tip you. We heard that so frequently
Speaker 1: from so many, thousands of women, we ended up coining
Speaker 1: a term for it. We call it mascule harassment. And
Speaker 1: then on race, we heard from so many Yeah, we
Speaker 1: heard from so many people of color that it went
Speaker 1: way beyond the typical just getting tipped less as a
Speaker 1: person of color. When they tried to tell a customer,
Speaker 1: you know, wear a mask, sit six feet apart, as
Speaker 1: they were forced to do, you know, show me your
Speaker 1: VAX card, they got screamed at, they got yelled at,
Speaker 1: they got tipped less. We had a member who was
Speaker 1: punched in the face for trying to enforce these rules.
Speaker 1: People were not trying to hear from people of color
Speaker 1: what to do in the restaurants. It really reached a
Speaker 1: point of such extreme that people started leaving in mass
Speaker 1: I mean, we have done so many thousands of surveys
Speaker 1: with workers, why are you leaving? What you know? What
Speaker 1: would make you come back? And it's this sub minimum wage.
Speaker 1: Over and over eighty percent of workers that we've surveyed,
Speaker 1: and we've surveyed thousands, like five thousand have said the
Speaker 1: top reason that they're leaving the industry and what would
Speaker 1: make them come back is the sub minimum wage. If
Speaker 1: they got a full wage with tips on top, they
Speaker 1: would consider coming back. I think part of what happened
Speaker 1: during the pandemic as well was that a lot of
Speaker 1: us hit rock bottoms emotionally and a lot of people fiscally.
Speaker 1: So the idea of what do I have to lose, Well,
Speaker 1: I can't lose the job. Well, COVID took the job
Speaker 1: from you for a while. So it gave people a
Speaker 1: lot of people, I believe, the strength to go now,
Speaker 1: you know what, screw that? Because people made adjustments. People
Speaker 1: figure out a way to kind of shift. Do you
Speaker 1: also think throw to a degree that the power dynamic
Speaker 1: because so many of us as employees. Just if we're
Speaker 1: just going with an average restaurant customer, most of them
Speaker 1: are not supervisors at their job. Most of them are
Speaker 1: not calling the shots at their job. So there's a
Speaker 1: there's a there's a foot on their neck all day,
Speaker 1: and this little meal at Applebee's is the only time
Speaker 1: you get to be in charge. You get to call
Speaker 1: the shots, you get to say what you want to do,
Speaker 1: and you put on top of that a bunch of
Speaker 1: two three years of fiscal uncertainty, the pressure of the pandemic.
Speaker 1: Nobody went to therapy. So yeah, I'm going to fight
Speaker 1: you in this waffle house right now because my toast
Speaker 1: was too brown. I know, waffle House don't want me
Speaker 1: to say their name, wilf Hole. They told you. When
Speaker 1: we talk about the disrespect towards the workers, how much
Speaker 1: does general mental stresses that were under as a society
Speaker 1: is in talking about the pandemic specifically, how much do
Speaker 1: you think that has helped to exacerbate how wild the
Speaker 1: customers are now acting with these workers. I mean, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody lost it. Everybody lost it during the pandemic. People
Speaker 1: forgot how to act, for sure, But I do want
Speaker 1: to say, Roy, it wasn't just the customers at Applebee's
Speaker 1: and at Waffle We saw fine dining customers walk into restaurants,
Speaker 1: you know, take off your masks so I can see
Speaker 1: how cute you are. I tell you a story of
Speaker 1: a server in Arizona at a very fancy, fancy, fine
Speaker 1: dining restaurant Scottsdale, Arizona, wearing a mask because they were
Speaker 1: required to by their managers. And the customer comes in
Speaker 1: with his wife and is staring at her breast the
Speaker 1: entire time, and at some point says, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: so glad you're wearing a mask because it's giving me
Speaker 1: an opportunity to look at something else all evening, you know.
Speaker 1: Or another bartender. We have member of ours, Ifoma, who
Speaker 1: worked at a really fancy fine dining bar in Washington,
Speaker 1: DC and a customer, take off your masks so I
Speaker 1: can see how you look. And she says, no, I'm
Speaker 1: not allowed to. Her manager's standing right behind her, and
Speaker 1: he says, well, I guess we know who's not going
Speaker 1: to get tipped tonight. I guess we know who's not
Speaker 1: going to walk home with a lot of tips tonight.
Speaker 1: The power dynamic, you know, was always there, the ratio
Speaker 1: your future exactly exactly. It is a power dynamic that's
Speaker 1: always existed. It just got ugly. It got ugly with
Speaker 1: the pandemic, and workers reached their limit. You know, first
Speaker 1: of all, we didn't even talk about this. Two thirds
Speaker 1: of tipped workers told us they couldn't even get unemployment
Speaker 1: insurance because in most states they were told that sum
Speaker 1: and wage was too low to qualify for benefits. We
Speaker 1: heard from thousands of workers in that moment, Wait a second,
Speaker 1: if the government's telling me I earned too little, being
Speaker 1: I think I earned too little, I should never have
Speaker 1: accepted this wage to begin with. And then they went
Speaker 1: back to work. They were told, Okay, now you're going
Speaker 1: to do two jobs for the price of a sub
Speaker 1: minimum wage, not even the minimum wage. Now you're going
Speaker 1: to be a server and a public health marshal. People
Speaker 1: reached their limit. Tips went down, harassment went up, people
Speaker 1: were screamed at, yelled at. We have seen one point
Speaker 1: two million workers leave this industry. Sixty percent of those
Speaker 1: who remains say they're leaving, an eighty percent say the
Speaker 1: only thing that would make them come back is a
Speaker 1: livabool aage Stephanie. During your time in the restaurant industry,
Speaker 1: I'm going to assume harassment was a part of that,
Speaker 1: yes at some point. Okay, how do you move around
Speaker 1: that on a day to day to keep the job,
Speaker 1: to keep the customer happy enough to get a tip?
Speaker 1: Like when the abbygaar were you going at a shift
Speaker 1: let in? Because you're trying to navigate around the harassment
Speaker 1: while still maintaining a positive connection with this person to
Speaker 1: get the twenty percent. Yes, I think just in general
Speaker 1: for women, particularly as a woman living in New York,
Speaker 1: how you how you navigate in a restaurant environment is
Speaker 1: how you navigate on the streets of the city, where
Speaker 1: it's a similar thing. I think, Um, you just have
Speaker 1: to smile and be polite, And that's always what managers,
Speaker 1: just as Saru was saying, they always try to, you know,
Speaker 1: tell us to to act in that manner. But I
Speaker 1: can when I think about the people I interacted with. Um, Luckily, honestly,
Speaker 1: I didn't experience an extreme amount of like harassment, but
Speaker 1: I did see a disproportionate way in which I was
Speaker 1: treated in terms of with interacting with managers and like
Speaker 1: male co workers were treated. Um, it was drastically different.
Speaker 1: I remember having more tables, feeling like I was running
Speaker 1: around like a chicken with my neck cut off, and
Speaker 1: having co workers just like hanging around and not getting
Speaker 1: support for my tables. I remember confronting a manager about
Speaker 1: it and about like, you know, why why do I
Speaker 1: have so many tables? And why am I working so
Speaker 1: much harder than my other coworkers, And it was kind
Speaker 1: of like dismissed. So I think basically everything she has
Speaker 1: said is absolutely true, and it is not an environment
Speaker 1: that is meant to help women in certainly not an
Speaker 1: environment mental help women of color succeed. Frankly, I'm sorry
Speaker 1: that all of that happened to you after the break.
Speaker 1: We need to get to the bottom of why is
Speaker 1: this shit still happening in keeping people from getting the
Speaker 1: I'm sorry for yelling. I don't mean to raise my voice, situladies.
Speaker 1: That's not I'm not raising my voice that y'all and
Speaker 1: raising my voice it's fake fucking politicians. It's beyond the scenes.
Speaker 1: I'm perfectly calm. We'll be right back. Beyond the scenes.
Speaker 1: Were round the third and headed for home. We're talking
Speaker 1: sub minimum wage. Now the government has decided workers ain't
Speaker 1: worth the dam, which means that the employers have decided
Speaker 1: that the workers ain't worth the dam either, which means
Speaker 1: the customers have decided that the workers ain't worth the damp.
Speaker 1: Stephanie Sorrow, How do we stop this? And why is
Speaker 1: it still going on? I would imagine in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: three that there's probably been a couple of laws of
Speaker 1: referendums or suggestions in the White House email box saying hey,
Speaker 1: can I get a couple of dollars please? Why has
Speaker 1: this not changed? Sorry? Like, why is this still happening? So, first,
Speaker 1: I do want to say it's been a long time
Speaker 1: in coming, and I want to tell you who why
Speaker 1: it's not been happening. But there's something very hopeful we
Speaker 1: should start with. We are experiencing this historic moment. Our
Speaker 1: members are calling it. It's not even a great resignation,
Speaker 1: it's a great revolution where workers, for the first time
Speaker 1: since emancipation are standing up, walking out, demanding I'm not
Speaker 1: going to work unless I get a full minimum wage.
Speaker 1: And in response, we're seeing thousands of restaurants for the
Speaker 1: first time I ever having to raise wages from two
Speaker 1: and three and four, we're tracking restaurants paying fifteen twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five restaurants and we're seeing some restaurants Cape Cod
Speaker 1: paying fifty bucks an hour plus shits because they cannot
Speaker 1: get staff any other way. So we're in a very
Speaker 1: hopeful moment. But it brings us to the question of
Speaker 1: why has it taken so long? What has what's blocked
Speaker 1: us all these years? And it answers very clear, very simple.
Speaker 1: After emancipation, restaurants, as I said, wanted the ability to
Speaker 1: hire newly freed slaves. And in nineteen nineteen they actually
Speaker 1: formed an association to keep it so forever, called the
Speaker 1: National Restaurant Association. We call it the other NRA. It's
Speaker 1: been around for a hundred years arguing we shouldn't have
Speaker 1: to pay our workers because you do. Basically, they won
Speaker 1: this in nineteen thirty eight. They won it in every
Speaker 1: every time the minum wage goes up, they make sure
Speaker 1: it stays low and they make sure tipped workers are
Speaker 1: always left behind. Y'all remember Herman Kaine, Well, Herman Kaine, Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. Herman Kaine was the head of the National
Speaker 1: Restaurant Association back in nineteen ninety six. When Clinton was president,
Speaker 1: and he struck a deal with Congress saying, sure, you
Speaker 1: can go ahead and let the overall minimum wage go
Speaker 1: up as long as tipped workers are frozen forever. And
Speaker 1: so in nineteen ninety six we saw the wage for
Speaker 1: tipped workers stay. It went up the last time in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one. It's been, you know, ridiculous thirty two
Speaker 1: years since this wage has gone up. We have mothers
Speaker 1: and daughters who've worked for two dollars and thirteen cents
Speaker 1: in our through their whole careers. And it's because basically
Speaker 1: Congress Democrats and Republicans have struck deals with the National
Speaker 1: Restaurant Association, basically agreeing that every time the minimum wage
Speaker 1: goes up, these workers, these women get thrown up under
Speaker 1: the bus. And here's the thing. So New York Times
Speaker 1: has just reported that, you know, information that we shared
Speaker 1: with them that actually, all these years they've spent so
Speaker 1: much money the Restaurant Association funding you know, contributions to
Speaker 1: elected officials candidates that then vote with them that then
Speaker 1: say okay, fine, we'll leave the tipped workers out. Turns out,
Speaker 1: all of that money instead of coming from the member
Speaker 1: corporations that drive the other NRA like Applebee's and IHA
Speaker 1: and all of Garden and Chili's. Turns out that all
Speaker 1: of that money actually comes from low wage workers who
Speaker 1: are funding their lobbying without knowing it. So if two
Speaker 1: thousand and nine it was the last time the federal
Speaker 1: minimum wage went up and tipped workers were left at
Speaker 1: two dollars and thirteen cents an hour, and the Restaurant
Speaker 1: Association decided after two thousand and nine that that was it.
Speaker 1: They never wanted to let the minimum wage go up again,
Speaker 1: and they certainly didn't want tip workers to ever go up.
Speaker 1: So they basically went to the states, the four states
Speaker 1: with the largest restaurant industries California, Illinois, Florida, Texas, and
Speaker 1: they got bills passed in each of those states requiring
Speaker 1: workers to take food handler training and pay for it. Now,
Speaker 1: it just so happens that the Restaurant Association owns the
Speaker 1: monopoly company that provides food handler training called Serve Safe,
Speaker 1: and so millions of workers each year are forced to
Speaker 1: take this training. And guess where that money goes. It
Speaker 1: goes to the Restaurant Association, and they turn around and
Speaker 1: use it to lobby against those same low wage workers interests.
Speaker 1: So low wage workers are funding the lobbying of the
Speaker 1: other NRA to the tune of eighty million dollars a year,
Speaker 1: and that lobbying is then used to get both Democrats
Speaker 1: and Republicans to agree that fine, every time the wage
Speaker 1: goes up, we leave the tipped workers out because those
Speaker 1: who are restaurants. Everybody else can be forced to pay
Speaker 1: the minimum wage, but those poor restaurants have to be
Speaker 1: left out. They don't have to pay the minimum wage
Speaker 1: even though everybody else does. So it's a nefarious history
Speaker 1: that finally, finally, we are reaching a moment of victory
Speaker 1: because workers in the millions are finally saying enough is enough.
Speaker 1: Regardless of what you do. You you know, I want
Speaker 1: you to say the words elected officials and restaurant associations.
Speaker 1: You're not putting up with it anymore, So try to
Speaker 1: staff your restaurants without it. How do you, Stephanie, take
Speaker 1: everything that she just said and boil that down into
Speaker 1: like thirty seconds and a joke, Like talk a little
Speaker 1: bit like I mean, it's silly, but I'm serious. Like
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about when something starts making you upset,
Speaker 1: when you start peeling back the layers of it. Talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about the creative difficulties and deciding what
Speaker 1: to keep within a piece versus what to leave on
Speaker 1: the cutting room floor, because there's so much that you
Speaker 1: could pack into a story, but we only have so
Speaker 1: much time on the actual Like on the Mothership show,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, yeah, I think what I try to focus on.
Speaker 1: You know, we're talking earlier about the most shocking things,
Speaker 1: So the things that affected me immediately from the story,
Speaker 1: those are the things that absolutely need to go into
Speaker 1: the story. And then in thinking about that, I try
Speaker 1: to think about, Okay, so what is the logic behind
Speaker 1: the villain or the perpetrator of this wrong? What is
Speaker 1: their mindset? And then trying to think about like the
Speaker 1: nuggets within the story that emphasize that, because that's where
Speaker 1: the humor is. Like we're clearly society is always punching down,
Speaker 1: is already punching down at these workers, So they're not
Speaker 1: the subject of the humor. Obviously, it's going to be
Speaker 1: the people that are doing things like what Saru just
Speaker 1: described to me. You heard me, I was like, like
Speaker 1: the entire time because it's just so ridiculous. So that's
Speaker 1: where the humor is so not only am I not
Speaker 1: going you pay you, but I'm gonna use your the
Speaker 1: very little money I already give you to fund me
Speaker 1: to continue to not pay you like that exactly. It's like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to just do you wrong. I want
Speaker 1: to do you death dirty. And that's the humor. I
Speaker 1: don't know about you too, but I'm inspired to own
Speaker 1: a restaurant. All of a sudden. This sounds like a
Speaker 1: good ass hustle to me. Yeah. Really. The thing that's
Speaker 1: always funny to me. Also when across particularly in the
Speaker 1: United States, whenever there's an issue of oh, there's not money,
Speaker 1: you know, the the big wigs always him and hand,
Speaker 1: there's no money, there's not enough money, we can't do
Speaker 1: it because we can't afford it. There's always money. They
Speaker 1: always find the money, Okay. So like, yeah, to your point,
Speaker 1: all these restaurants that fought us for so long on
Speaker 1: this issue, so many of them are now paying this
Speaker 1: because they can't get staff to come back any other way.
Speaker 1: So you're right, they found the money. Look, there have
Speaker 1: always been amazing small business We have an association of
Speaker 1: two thousand, five hundred small business restaurants that are actually
Speaker 1: leading the way on this issue, but actually agree with us.
Speaker 1: We need to pay everybody a full wage because it's
Speaker 1: better for the bottom line. Guess what workers do when
Speaker 1: they're paid more. They actually provide us with better service.
Speaker 1: They don't leave, they don't quit, you know, they stay longer.
Speaker 1: They're loyal. They provide better food and better service, and
Speaker 1: they go spend it in our economy. They go spend
Speaker 1: it in restaurants. So there are plenty of great restaurant
Speaker 1: owners that have always done this, and now with this
Speaker 1: great revolution, thousands more restaurants are following their lead. Because
Speaker 1: look even Applebee's, Applebee's, Applebee's, whites this and leads this.
Speaker 1: You know, National Restaurant Association. Guess what they're doing. They,
Speaker 1: like everybody else, have to pay more. So they're starting
Speaker 1: to pay fifteen in Utah and Nebraska and West Virginia.
Speaker 1: And we saw them paying twenty dollars an hour in Quakerstown, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: And yet they're still paying two dollars and thirteen cents
Speaker 1: in Birmingham and three dollars in Detroit. So you tell
Speaker 1: me what's different between the states I mentioned and Birmingham
Speaker 1: and Detroit, Because and it's very clear. In New York,
Speaker 1: Applebey's is offering fifteen to workers in Manhattan and ten
Speaker 1: dollars to workers in Harlem and the Bronx and the Queens,
Speaker 1: So they are having to raise wages, but they will
Speaker 1: stick to their racism to the very last, you know, moment,
Speaker 1: pick and choose. Help me to understand though, the difference
Speaker 1: when we're talking about the bigger corporations that have money
Speaker 1: and shareholders and investors, and they can move around move
Speaker 1: around money. The restaurant industry, if we're just talking at
Speaker 1: the mom and pop level, it's very volatile. It's still
Speaker 1: an industry where most of the restaurants fail within the
Speaker 1: first year. I think eighteen months was the last statistic
Speaker 1: that I heard. So what do you say? It's a
Speaker 1: route to the counter that without the sub minimum wage,
Speaker 1: that people with disabilities wouldn't have as many employment opportunities
Speaker 1: because the ADA Act. Or if I just run my
Speaker 1: little barbecue hood and you're gonna make me pay my
Speaker 1: servers ten dollars an hour, and now I got to
Speaker 1: raise my menu prices, and customers when they find out, oh,
Speaker 1: they're gonna stop to I don't know why I'm talking
Speaker 1: like that. Stephaniely it's a Mississippi barbecue hook. But this
Speaker 1: idea as a restaurant owner, Okay, I want to pay
Speaker 1: them more, but if I do, I have to change
Speaker 1: my whole business model. I might have to fire two servers. Like,
Speaker 1: is there any validity to that counter argument to raising
Speaker 1: some minimum wage? Look, the validity comes from the Restaurant
Speaker 1: Association telling these small mom and pop businesses for years,
Speaker 1: this is the only way to do it. If you
Speaker 1: pay more, you're going to go out of business. They
Speaker 1: terrify them, so we feel for their fear, But the
Speaker 1: fear is not based on reality, because the truth is
Speaker 1: we have helped thousands of small business this restaurants make
Speaker 1: this transition profitably. There are ways to do it. We
Speaker 1: have a actually a calculator that helps restaurants put in
Speaker 1: their menu, prices and staff size. We show them how
Speaker 1: to make the adjustments profitably. So many restaurants, thousands have
Speaker 1: just done it. Roy, there are restaurants right. I can
Speaker 1: give you a list of over fifty restaurants in Mississippi
Speaker 1: that are currently paying a full minimum wage with tips
Speaker 1: on top. Because so many restaurants have had to move
Speaker 1: in this direction in order to recruit staff. So what
Speaker 1: we say back to small business employers is we know
Speaker 1: you've been told that it's impossible or really hard that
Speaker 1: you're going to have to lay people up, but it's
Speaker 1: just not true. And what is your option right now?
Speaker 1: No staff, You're not going to have enough staff to
Speaker 1: fully operate unless you make the change. Here's how you
Speaker 1: how So many other restaurants have done it profitably. Okay,
Speaker 1: but if I run the mom and pop barbecue spot,
Speaker 1: and this doesn't necessarily compare to some minimum wage, but
Speaker 1: it's part of the larger conversation about the restaurant industry
Speaker 1: when we talk about the fight for fIF teen and
Speaker 1: all of the fast food work is gone. I want
Speaker 1: fifteen dollars, And in the restaurant industry going cool, here's
Speaker 1: your fifteen dollars. Half of you're fired, and now we're
Speaker 1: going to put in self service Kiosk touch screens and everybody.
Speaker 1: Do you think what's happening in the adjustments that have
Speaker 1: happened in the fast food industry with the fight for
Speaker 1: fifteen is used to help fuel the fear to control
Speaker 1: the independent restaurants that are still dealing with the sut
Speaker 1: minimum wage, with not wanting to increase our subt minimum wage.
Speaker 1: That's definitely the argument and the fear, for sure, but
Speaker 1: it is not it's not actually born out to be
Speaker 1: the truth. Actually, Roy the states that have raised wages
Speaker 1: and ended some minimum wages have actually higher job growth rates.
Speaker 1: So fast food workers have not been replaced by chios overwhelmingly.
Speaker 1: There might be one or two places where you might
Speaker 1: see that, but if you look at data, the states
Speaker 1: with the highest wages have the largest restaurant industries and
Speaker 1: the greatest job growth rates in the restaurant indust Why. Again,
Speaker 1: it's because in those states those fast food workers are
Speaker 1: doing guess what, They're going out and they're spending it,
Speaker 1: and so the industry grows more. Restaurants can survive if
Speaker 1: more workers are able to take their families to eat.
Speaker 1: We forget this is the largest industry in America, means
Speaker 1: the largest population of consumers who will eat out in restaurants.
Speaker 1: And by the way, tip better, because you both know,
Speaker 1: after having lived on the tipman and wage, you're gonna
Speaker 1: tip better. So they spend it, they eat out, they
Speaker 1: tip better. They're better customers, frankly, and so we need
Speaker 1: to value them as customers. I do want to say,
Speaker 1: because I know we're running out of time, we are
Speaker 1: just experienced the most wonderful historic moment of victory on
Speaker 1: this issue. Finally talk about the growth. Let's get some
Speaker 1: good news in here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because all of
Speaker 1: these fears you're lifting up, you know, have gone out
Speaker 1: the window as workers have basically said enough is enough.
Speaker 1: So as a result, we won one in Michigan and DC.
Speaker 1: Michigan just went from three dollars for tipped workers to
Speaker 1: twelve dollars an hour, and DC just went from five
Speaker 1: dollars to sixteen seventy five. And we've got bills and
Speaker 1: ballot measures moving in over a dozen states this year
Speaker 1: and next year, all because workers have reached their limit
Speaker 1: and they're saying enough is enough. You have to stop
Speaker 1: listening to the restaurant Association. In fact, you have to
Speaker 1: stop listening to the restaurant association because they're using our
Speaker 1: money to make their arguments. Part and part. Okay, last question, then,
Speaker 1: what can we do other than tip better? What can
Speaker 1: the average person do to support workers? Oh much? Yeah
Speaker 1: for asking that question. The number one thing is to
Speaker 1: right now go to our website. There's a tool on
Speaker 1: our website one Fairwage dot org that allows you to
Speaker 1: click to send your legislator a message saying stop taking
Speaker 1: money from the restaurant association. It's taken fraudulently from low
Speaker 1: wage workers, and support passing one fairway a full minimum
Speaker 1: wage with tips on top. That's number one. But also
Speaker 1: if you go to high Road Restaurants dot org, you'll
Speaker 1: see a list of restaurants that are currently offering a
Speaker 1: full minimum wage with tips on top, thousands of them
Speaker 1: in every state. We want you to definitely support those restaurants.
Speaker 1: More importantly, wherever you eat, show that list on your
Speaker 1: phone to the owner manager at the end of your meal,
Speaker 1: say hey, I don't see you on this list. I
Speaker 1: love eating here, I love the food, I love the service,
Speaker 1: but I want to see you on this list of
Speaker 1: restaurants paying a full minimum wage with tips on top.
Speaker 1: Otherwise I don't want to keep supporting a restaurant that's
Speaker 1: taking my tips and using it to pay the workers wages.
Speaker 1: I want my tips to be on top of a wage,
Speaker 1: not rather than instead of a wage. We need you
Speaker 1: to communicate every time you eat out, not to the
Speaker 1: server they don't have power, not to the any of
Speaker 1: the workers, but to the manager owner at the end
Speaker 1: of your meal and say I need to see you
Speaker 1: pay a full wage because you know, I think when
Speaker 1: I tip, it should go to the workers on top
Speaker 1: of a wage, not instead of a wage. Well, I
Speaker 1: wish that we had more time, because if we did,
Speaker 1: I would have asked you a question about all these
Speaker 1: other random places where I know you getting a full
Speaker 1: wage and then you just just put out a homemade
Speaker 1: tip jar up. Yeah, and it was a non service
Speaker 1: based industry. I understand service base like Holestone Creamery. Cool,
Speaker 1: but come on, man, this is an oil change spot.
Speaker 1: I have minor king. I'm here to buy a printer.
Speaker 1: Why is there a tip jar next to the cash
Speaker 1: register to place to buy the printers? I'm not going
Speaker 1: to companies want what the restaurant industry has. The more
Speaker 1: they Apple pay makes us tip everywhere, the more and
Speaker 1: more companies are going to say, well they get tips,
Speaker 1: I can pay a subminimum. We got to get rid
Speaker 1: of the subminimum, or doesn't keep growing into every freaking industry,
Speaker 1: We'll get tipped everywhere. Well, thank you all so so much.
Speaker 1: That's all the time we have for today. Thank you
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