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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast. This hour,

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Speaker 1: we'll be talking with David Politis about his second edition

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Speaker 1: book of Bigfoot, Wildman and Giants. And of course Bigfoot

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Speaker 1: is not new to you, David, because you wrote a

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Speaker 1: book called The Hoopa Project, yes, ten years ago. That

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Speaker 1: was a first book I ever wrote, and it was

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Speaker 1: after spending two years on the Hoopa Reservation in northern California,

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Speaker 1: right near the Patterson Gimblin site, and getting to know

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Speaker 1: the elders and talking to him about the history with

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Speaker 1: the biped and then bringing in a FBI forensic trained

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Speaker 1: artist to draw exactly what those people in that community,

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Speaker 1: both Native American and Caucasian, had seen, And that was

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Speaker 1: the first time this was ever done. Other people have

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Speaker 1: just still used artists, but to bring in an FBI

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Speaker 1: trained forensic artist where they knew how to extrapolate the

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Speaker 1: descript and exactly to what the person saw. It's an

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Speaker 1: entirely new experience and one that reaped some great results.

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Speaker 1: And after that we decided to go towards Oklahoma in

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Speaker 1: the Midwest, where we had also had reports of sidings,

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Speaker 1: and we did the same thing with a book called

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Speaker 1: Tribal Bigfoot. And the unique part about what we did

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Speaker 1: with that section of our research, we were the only

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Speaker 1: group that took an affidavit, a legal affidavit from the

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Speaker 1: witnesses about the event and what they observed. That did

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Speaker 1: two things. It allowed us to get an absolute legal

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Speaker 1: description of what they observed, and it meant that nobody

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Speaker 1: from that point forward could ever change the description of

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Speaker 1: what that person saw. And a lot of times we

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Speaker 1: get complaints from witnesses same, well, yeah, this is what

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Speaker 1: I reported to that website, but they're not reporting it

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Speaker 1: like I saw it. They're saying it more apish or

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Speaker 1: more guerrilla, but I saw something much more human. And

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Speaker 1: this is a regular routine thing with some groups that

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Speaker 1: have this agenda about saying that Bigfoot is related to

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Speaker 1: a gorilla or an ape, but the facts are never

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Speaker 1: has a gorilla or an ape bone or gorilla or

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Speaker 1: a pair ever been found in North America. Kind of

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Speaker 1: describe for us, if you could, David paint us a

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Speaker 1: picture of what some of these witnesses have described. Normally,

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Speaker 1: it's a pretty quick event. They're driving down the road.

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Speaker 1: It crosses in front of them. But what we did

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Speaker 1: is we dug for I was there for two years

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Speaker 1: until I could find people that trusted us, and a

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Speaker 1: lot of these people were community members. They'd be made

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Speaker 1: fun of by the outside world, but they had close encounters.

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Speaker 1: George and I'm talking about fifteen to or twenty feet

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Speaker 1: Harvey Pratt that sat down with them and Harvey go

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Speaker 1: through an exact note by note criteria that the FBI

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Speaker 1: trains their artists to do, and then to draw what

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Speaker 1: they observed. Like say a witness seeing sees a bank

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Speaker 1: robber come into the bank and the teller gives them

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Speaker 1: the money and the person runs out. Well, that teller

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Speaker 1: would sit down with Harvey and Harvey would draw a

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Speaker 1: description of what that person saw. And Harvey's drawings are

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Speaker 1: so accurate that it appears that the suspect was in

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Speaker 1: the room when Harvey drew diagrams imist like a photograph

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Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, So it's a very interesting way to

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Speaker 1: we did this. I mean I wrote two large books

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Speaker 1: to do it. And from that it was on coast

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Speaker 1: to coast on nap Show where where we initiated the

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Speaker 1: DNA project where we ended up getting one hundred and

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Speaker 1: ten mitochondrial and nuclear samples and those went through a

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Speaker 1: The DNA was taken from a machine through automation, so

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Speaker 1: there was no human contamination. Four PhDs wrote a paper.

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Speaker 1: Four independent labs got the same result and there was

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Speaker 1: one hundred and ten samples. There were five nuclear samples.

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Speaker 1: Those samples showed that the DNA on the female side

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Speaker 1: Middle East, and it was the first time in the

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Speaker 1: history of GenBank that they got accurate DNA on the

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Speaker 1: male side. But it had never been entered in the

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Speaker 1: three fifty two billion base pairs in GenBank. They couldn't

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Speaker 1: hybrid realize the DNA was human, but it had never

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Speaker 1: blameless attacks on us. And unfortunately Melbolle Ketchum, who was

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Speaker 1: a scientist that did the DNA work, did just Yellman's work.

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Speaker 1: her did oh she got attacked by everybody, Yes, she did.

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Speaker 1: And really the one guy, an individual named Scott Carpenter.

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Speaker 1: He has a blog, you can look him up, Scott

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Speaker 1: Carpenter Bigfoot, and he goes through the note by note

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Speaker 1: and he shows that the DNA was accurate. He has

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Speaker 1: other people, other scientists that came forward and said, yeah,

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Speaker 1: this was a good study. And in fact, there was

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Speaker 1: one point where actually George Nap and I took Melba

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Speaker 1: had written a series of white papers, and he explained

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Speaker 1: to Melba how to write it the right way, and

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Speaker 1: he said you know, I reviewed your results. Those are

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Speaker 1: dead on accurate. You did a great job of making

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Speaker 1: sure that everything was done, and she took a lot

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Speaker 1: of blameless hits about it. That it's embarrassing to say

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Speaker 1: that people don't know about the study because of these

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Speaker 1: hit jobs done by fake news. And why did they

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Speaker 1: come after her? What was the rationalph for that? Because

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Speaker 1: the people in the academic community I have leveraged their

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Speaker 1: entire career that this is a gorilla or an ape,

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Speaker 1: and that's where they get their money, their grant money.

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Speaker 1: That's the only way they can survive in their world

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Speaker 1: is by sticking with their beliefs. If somebody had said

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Speaker 1: this for twenty five or thirty years, then all of

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Speaker 1: it's obviously a human hybrid or it's it's somewhere on

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Speaker 1: that human spectrum. That would they lose their credibility. And unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: there's two sides to the bigfoot world. There's these staunch

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Speaker 1: people that absolutely believe it's a gorilla horn ape and

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Speaker 1: then there's the people that look at the science behind it,

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Speaker 1: and every DNA study done on bigfoot hair and on

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Speaker 1: nuclear DNA shows it's a human hybrid. Now tell me

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Speaker 1: about that. That definition though human hybrid. What does that

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Speaker 1: We don't know exactly what happened with that male side

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Speaker 1: it was a female human that was on that side

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Speaker 1: a male, but it's just never been categorized. How tall

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Speaker 1: were these creatures? I think they run the gamut. I mean,

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Speaker 1: but they've been reports in British Columbia highest twelve feet.

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Speaker 1: Could they have been the nepheline from the Bible? David,

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Speaker 1: You know, Scott Carpenter wrote an entire book about that,

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Speaker 1: and that's a fascinating side of the equation, and Scott

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Speaker 1: great job explaining it. That could be a huge possibility. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's it's strange because if it was a gorilla,

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Speaker 1: or if it was an ape, not of the intellect

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Speaker 1: of a human, And why can't we just go out

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Speaker 1: and get one exactly? And how many? What do you think?

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Speaker 1: What do you think the population is of these things? Well,

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Speaker 1: based on witness descriptions, it's got to be in the

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Speaker 1: thousands all over the planet. Well, for sure, all over

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Speaker 1: they have different names for different areas. Is it the

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Speaker 1: Now your book Bigfoot, Wildman and Giants, tell us about

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Speaker 1: this one, because this is the second edition, right correct.

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Speaker 1: And this one came about as I was doing archival

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Speaker 1: searches on people. I would start to run across these

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Speaker 1: stories and George, every story said wild men, and I

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Speaker 1: it would match the description of what we a sasquatch.

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Speaker 1: And these go back hundreds of years in newspapers, and

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Speaker 1: And there were many many times that the articles that

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Speaker 1: it didn't say ape found in the garden. It said

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Speaker 1: wild man. And the descriptions matched a wild man, except

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Speaker 1: they had hair all over the body, very elusive, etc. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, David's there's something going on on

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Speaker 1: this planet that is so inexplainable to people. Oh, this

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Speaker 1: what this biped does when it is seen. And then

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Speaker 1: obviously something's being withheld from us about giants in North

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Speaker 1: tell me the jurisdiction. Those lo well jurisdictions are not

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Speaker 1: many sheriffs and too many cops that would say, we

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Speaker 1: going to fabricate, We're not going to withhold something. We're

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