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Speaker 2: This is our life, this is our passion. That's the

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat. It is Friday, September twenty fifth,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, and it is time, Donks for Morning Combat.

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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, my name is Luke Thomas. I am FRO

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Speaker 1: from CBS Sports and Showtime and in many other places.

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Speaker 1: I am joined by the gentleman who is well, technically

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Speaker 1: God damn it, Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: It's not where you're from, Luc, It's where you're at

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Speaker 2: right here in the Mohegan Bubble. Double Charlow pay per

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Speaker 2: view this weekend UFC two fifty three as well. What

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Speaker 1: This has been a fantastic launch. What a launching pad, right,

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Speaker 1: Uh, very good, But he was right. We have a

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Speaker 1: let's get right into it. Not a moment to waste.

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Speaker 1: By the way, the wigh ends for the Charlo doubleheader

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Speaker 1: light right from this desk. But first, but first, BC,

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Speaker 1: we got to get to UFC two to fifty three.

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Speaker 1: We've been doing a lot of Charlo coverage. Let's put

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Speaker 1: tremendous shape. Okay, when you think about this fight otta

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Speaker 2: That's what you want to find out, because Coast has

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Speaker 1: Come on, well, I don't care about that stuff. I'm

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Speaker 1: I've talked to has been like, why do they do that?

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Speaker 2: Bro?

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Speaker 1: Because they're human adults. I don't know. So Yes, in

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Speaker 2: That's that's a great question. Something I wanted to hit that.

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Speaker 2: You know, what do I love about this fight?

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Speaker 1: Moll?

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Speaker 2: It's the potential for action all that great stuff. Well,

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Speaker 2: how about just the fact that, like, wake up, whether

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Speaker 1: I don't care about there. We go as fly bro.

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Speaker 1: Goddamn god, can we you know, please? Can we can

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Speaker 1: I think the biggest weakness is that for Izzy, it's

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Speaker 1: That's our job. Okay, No, it's not. Our job is

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Speaker 2: squeeze that hard. You'll regret this this debate right.

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Speaker 1: Here, skinny guy. Uh, okay, let's move on to the

427
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Speaker 1: co main event if we can. You know what you see?

428
00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,040
Speaker 1: People are hating on this fight, and I really don't

429
00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,720
Speaker 1: understand it. Listen, is it the glamour of the main event? No?

430
00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,800
Speaker 1: Do we wish that it was someone, you know, maybe

431
00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:27,879
Speaker 1: taking the trying to take the fight to John Jones

432
00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:31,120
Speaker 1: a rematch, let's say with Dominic Reys Yeah, we probably do. Dude.

433
00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,920
Speaker 1: It's a perfectly good fight. It's kind of interesting. You

434
00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,679
Speaker 1: got a guy in Yamblohovitch, discredited and including by me

435
00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,760
Speaker 1: throughout the entirety of his career, has consistently gotten better.

436
00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,159
Speaker 1: A guy like Dominic g Reyes, who has entered the

437
00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,440
Speaker 1: game kind of late, I would say, has a much

438
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Speaker 1: more modern game. I'm not saying that you should take

439
00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:52,000
Speaker 1: your pants off and like Pete Pablo, whoop him around

440
00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:53,840
Speaker 1: your head like a helicopter. Remember that song from the

441
00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,280
Speaker 1: from the Thoughts, Well, it's because it was an African

442
00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,040
Speaker 1: American guy. Uh, here's my point. I have a lot

443
00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:04,080
Speaker 1: of I've both carols. Yeah, so many, so many black friends.

444
00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,119
Speaker 1: But here's what point I'm trying to make. It's a

445
00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,760
Speaker 1: great fight. I don't know what. You don't have to

446
00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,720
Speaker 1: make it something that it's not, but what it is

447
00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:13,800
Speaker 1: is perfectly good.

448
00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,560
Speaker 2: I just think our knee jerk reaction because we saw

449
00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,480
Speaker 2: dom Reis almost beat John Jones, and maybe you thought

450
00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,439
Speaker 2: he did was that Blahoits is a step down. So

451
00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,879
Speaker 2: this is UFC's way of crowning dom Reis. You know

452
00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:26,560
Speaker 2: he's gonna go in there, do what he has to

453
00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,000
Speaker 2: do and let the dom Reis era begin, which is,

454
00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:30,960
Speaker 2: by the way, is not a bad landing for the

455
00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:34,200
Speaker 2: UFC when the greatest of all time exits a division

456
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Speaker 2: that he has dominated through multiple personal issues and kept

457
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Speaker 2: the train moving. Thank you DC for carrying the ball

458
00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,520
Speaker 2: in the meantime of that. But the closer this fight gets,

459
00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,440
Speaker 2: the more I like Plahoa. If it's just chances, Yes

460
00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,720
Speaker 2: he's a rightful underdog, Yes it's more of a puncher's chance,

461
00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,480
Speaker 2: but look, he's really patient, sometimes to a fault. You

462
00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,840
Speaker 2: remember that Jockaray fight. That was just shit. That was

463
00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,120
Speaker 2: your moment to shine in the main event, he chose

464
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Speaker 2: to just keep the chains moving and he kind of

465
00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:00,840
Speaker 2: got lucky with the split decision win. But what that

466
00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,000
Speaker 2: did show me is he's not gonna gas himself. He's

467
00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,720
Speaker 2: not gonna put himself in bad places, and he'll he'll

468
00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,680
Speaker 2: retain since he's gone the five round distance before and

469
00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,200
Speaker 2: proven it, he'll retain a chance to win this fight

470
00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:15,600
Speaker 2: between the start and the finished point. At any point,

471
00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:17,800
Speaker 2: if it's gonna go the distance, it's up to Rays

472
00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,440
Speaker 2: to do reyus things to win. He should win. He's

473
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,640
Speaker 2: the quicker, better striker, more craft, all all that, and

474
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Speaker 2: then some tall, pale and handsome But Luke, what if

475
00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,480
Speaker 2: Rays has already crowned himself. What if Rays is looking

476
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Speaker 2: to make a giant splash. If I'm Rays's team, I say, look,

477
00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,160
Speaker 2: let's be boring, let's be safe, let's win this fight,

478
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Speaker 2: and then we can start the air right after this.

479
00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,760
Speaker 2: Because you know, ever since Yan has been going into

480
00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:46,000
Speaker 2: that forest and touching the noose of the man who

481
00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:50,280
Speaker 2: hung himself, he's been given the dark source spiritual powers

482
00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:51,440
Speaker 2: in that left hook.

483
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Speaker 1: You know that's not real, no, but it's weird, right,

484
00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,760
Speaker 1: It is certainly weird. Here's the interesting thing about Lehovich.

485
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Speaker 1: Listen to this. So since twenty seventeen, he lost Patrick Cummings.

486
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:02,159
Speaker 1: They actually lost to Gustusin and Patrick Cummings.

487
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:03,679
Speaker 2: Now I lost that parist. Are you serious?

488
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:05,400
Speaker 1: He did loose to the barista. But hold on, listen

489
00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 1: to this. So since then, he beat Devin Clark, very

490
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,360
Speaker 1: good wrestler, submitted him inside to beat Jared cannoneer, beat

491
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:16,000
Speaker 1: Jimmy Manowaa, submitted Nikita Krilov. Now he lost to Jago Santos. Okay,

492
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,679
Speaker 1: that's no shame there. Kao Luke Rockold beat Jackaray. The

493
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:21,800
Speaker 1: fight sucked, but he did win. And then he kaoed

494
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,240
Speaker 1: Cory Anderson, who had previously beaten him. During that time,

495
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,679
Speaker 1: he got one, two, three, four Performance of the Night

496
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,880
Speaker 1: bonuses and a Fight of the Night bonus. Dude, that's

497
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 1: a hell of a run. That's a run to be respected,

498
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 1: that's a run to take seriously.

499
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,440
Speaker 2: He's confident, he's good on the ground. He's not bad.

500
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 1: He really remember against Cory Anderson, Cory Anderson took him

501
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,400
Speaker 1: down to his controlling the three rounds. This time, Cory

502
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,480
Speaker 1: Anderson couldn't do fuck all to him.

503
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Speaker 2: So my point is he may not look great, he

504
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,919
Speaker 2: may not be winning rounds, but he will be in

505
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,040
Speaker 2: the position to win the fight should Reyes give him

506
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 2: that chance.

507
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Speaker 1: The odds on this one, they've got Reyes around depending

508
00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 1: where you look, Let's say minus two seventy, They've got

509
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,440
Speaker 1: at a plus two forty, so a fairly significant favorite

510
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:04,359
Speaker 1: for Reyes.

511
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,320
Speaker 2: You agree with that, yes, because of the skills. If

512
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 2: he just says I'm gonna focus on boxing mixed body shots,

513
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,639
Speaker 2: do you know, use my speed like he surprised us

514
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 2: against John correct John Jones in terms of his elusiveness

515
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 2: in his aggressive I mean, like, surprise you, Bama's the

516
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 2: whole package of boxing that he showed that this wasn't

517
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 2: the vulcan who's the mere fight? But if Blahoas can

518
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:26,920
Speaker 2: play the role of vulcan and I'm not talking about

519
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 2: knock people out of Fort Lauderdale drinking establishment. I'm just

520
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,439
Speaker 2: talking about be the bigger man. Uh, maybe allow the

521
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,199
Speaker 2: fight to happen on his terms on the inside, be

522
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 2: a clinch war. I think that's where Yan's gonna hang around.

523
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:38,640
Speaker 1: Luke.

524
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Speaker 2: I don't think he can win a decision, though he's

525
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 2: gonna have to get the ko.

526
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Speaker 1: And here here's where it's gonna get interesting. Rayes his

527
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 1: game is more modern. He started MMA later and has

528
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,400
Speaker 1: just all the best practices that come with with They

529
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 1: didn't teach him all the old things that don't really

530
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 1: matter anymore. Blahovich still has some of that. He's a

531
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 1: little bit more of like the standard multi striker. He's

532
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 1: more than that, obviously, but he he has a lot

533
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 1: of that still left in him. Rayes, his whole game

534
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,199
Speaker 1: is built on motion. The whole idea is if I

535
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 1: can get somebody in motion through that motion, I can

536
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 1: be elusive and I can create offensive openings against Blahovich.

537
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 1: To the extent that Reyes is fresh, that's a problem

538
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 1: for Blahovich. Here's the problem. He fell off a fucking

539
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,640
Speaker 1: cliff into the championship rounds against John Jones, and Jones

540
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 1: chewed his ass up. You already talked about the fact

541
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,119
Speaker 1: that Belhovich is patient, bro, and he's tough, and he's durable,

542
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: and he has fought every kind of fighter, including ones

543
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 1: that have more modern skill sets, and more often than

544
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 1: not got his hand raised to me. The later this

545
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 1: one goes much more famous, Lehovach.

546
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 2: Because Bloho It's like he's not gonna be overwhelmed by

547
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 2: the moment, right, He's just a solid dude, not spectacular

548
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,360
Speaker 2: in that lack of spectacularness, right, like not walking down

549
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 2: jockeray and trying to make a statement. It's never gonna

550
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 2: make him a star. But you don't have to try

551
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 2: to make yourself a star. You win the title, you

552
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 2: become a star. Can't wait to see if this fight

553
00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 2: gets there, what those final rounds look like.

554
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Speaker 1: Couple of swell notes from the card Wanna Spino, who's

555
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,919
Speaker 1: been out for almost two years after winning the Ultimate Fighter.

556
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: He is back. He's from the Canary Islands, which I

557
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 1: didn't know this. This is the part of Spain where

558
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: they don't say the s s did you know that?

559
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 2: Or the unlike you? I'm I'm really not, you know,

560
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 2: blown away by Latin and Spanish pronunciations of things, you know,

561
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 2: including the languages. Okay, whatever, all right, Spain is maybe

562
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 2: the greatest country on Earth.

563
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 1: Point. I've never been there, you know where I've been. Together,

564
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 1: We're gonna USA, Okay, Yeah, it's a great place. We're

565
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: going to go to Spain together, and I'm gonna blow

566
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: your mind. Uh Anyway, he's back in this fight this

567
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 1: card rather the let's see you've got you know what

568
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,959
Speaker 1: I fight. I like opening the pay per view main

569
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 1: card the King Dwado taken on Zubirah to Google.

570
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 2: Okay, so Zubairah. He's He's had some great wins, especially

571
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,160
Speaker 2: that one up in the in the octagon after UFC

572
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 2: two twenty nine, he got some punches in. I think

573
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 2: he's untapped, like like he has a large ceiling. We're

574
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,679
Speaker 2: gonna find out what has he done so far in

575
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 2: the octagon.

576
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Speaker 1: So he has He's been fighting in the octagon since only

577
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: fourteen member. He had a bit of a suspension some

578
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: time off. I think he had some USATA issues of

579
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: memory serves he'd.

580
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 2: Beat dast Right who out of all of us right.

581
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 1: No, he'd beat Douglas Silva, Deonrodge, Ernest Chavez, that guy

582
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,679
Speaker 1: found in the UFC didn't know Felipe Nover. He got

583
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: to win over. Then he lost Tota Way Conovia split,

584
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 1: but there's no shame there. Had a draw against Laran

585
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 1: Murphy in September of twenty nineteen, then in February came

586
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: back and viciously kaoed Kevin Aglard Wadu has the all

587
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 1: or nothing I'm gonna come in there and kou type

588
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 1: thing a bit. Yeah, he's very very good. I think

589
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:30,479
Speaker 1: it was the World Series A fighter for a long time.

590
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 2: You're gonna run himself into a loss.

591
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: Here. He has some win. He wins over Stephen Siler,

592
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 1: He's got wins over Austin Arnett, Kyle Bokniak, and then

593
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: Julio Arce.

594
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 2: Is a split decision on my stereotype. You went in

595
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 2: doubt in modern mma. You've said this before. If a

596
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 2: Russian guy shows up with an Abraham Lincoln beard, bet.

597
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: On him, Yeah, pretty much. They got a Z and

598
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 1: a vi inner name and an Amish beard. Yeah. Guy

599
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,679
Speaker 1: has not to be going to win. Thank you. All right,

600
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this well, before we stop

601
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 1: talking about this card, give me one storyline or fight independent.

602
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 1: But we've already talked about that. You got your eye

603
00:25:59,440 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: on for UFC.

604
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 2: Look, I don't like the name kai Kara France. I've

605
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 2: sort of been get this guy away from it just

606
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 2: weirds me out. But uh yeah, I mean another culture, right,

607
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 2: I mean like that as a flyweight that he's putting

608
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 2: some wins together. He's starting to look pretty damn good.

609
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 2: He's from the Damn City Kickboxing. I don't know if

610
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 2: it's like everybody who steps in there, you know, magically

611
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 2: becomes a great fighter. Although Brad Riddell, also on this card,

612
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 2: is looking very good as well. But who's he going

613
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 2: in there against Freddy? He's going in there against the

614
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 2: car France. Yeah, Brandon Real in Rouville, if you remember,

615
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 2: just had that somewhat spectacular submission over Tim Ellie, and

616
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 2: he looked great in there. This is gonna be interesting

617
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 2: fight with a win here. If he can get it,

618
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna have to start talking about kai

619
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 2: Kara in the damn title picture in the larger picture up.

620
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 1: He was on that season with the Ultimate Fighter when

621
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: they did the Championship flyweight season, So he on the

622
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 1: regional scene has already been quite decorated. He' should he

623
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: gets to that next level for me?

624
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,199
Speaker 2: Sarge you Banks turning around and like one day, No.

625
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: It's super fast against Kaitlyn Vieire, she got her hands

626
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 1: full too. But I will say this, Sarge U Banks.

627
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: So she she started out with Team Ludurvan, so I

628
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: knew her from the DC area and she was a

629
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: gee and nogi jiu jitsu competitor, and she was well

630
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: known for the class. Absolutely she was a force to

631
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: be reckoned with. And then I don't know how she

632
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: ended up with the East Coast super friends Paccardo Almeida

633
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 1: and Mark Henry up in the New Jersey. And at

634
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 1: first it was a little bit trying to figure her

635
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: game out. She's gotten pretty good, dude, She's on quite

636
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: the run. I thought moving up in wait was was

637
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Speaker 1: gonna ruin her. No, it didn't at all. Well, so

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Speaker 1: Kealyn Viere has no one to be trifled with. But

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Speaker 1: that should be a fun fight at women's band some weight.

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Speaker 1: The one I've got my eye on is the one

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Speaker 1: where you have the biggest lopsided odds. Diego Sanchez is

642
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Speaker 1: on this card taking on Jake Matthews. And here's the

643
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 1: thing about this fight, which I think has got my attention.

644
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: You look at this, you say to yourself, how old

645
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Speaker 1: is Jake Matthews. He's still in his twenties. He's twenty

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Speaker 1: six years old. Twenty six years old, and he has

647
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Speaker 1: how many fights? He's got twenty fights? He's sixteen and four.

648
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: He just beat Email Weber mech in February of twenty

649
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Speaker 1: twenty and before that rostam Achamana two forty three, although

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Speaker 1: he did lose to Anthony Rocco Martin. However, Rocco Bartin's

651
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Speaker 1: pretty good. Okay, here's a Harrison male friend. Right, they

652
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Speaker 1: may not be together anymore. Wow, I gotta I gotta

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Speaker 1: see about that. Here's you check your dms kala. Here

654
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: here's please don't be weird. Here's what's interesting part about this.

655
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Speaker 1: The odds have Matthews at a minus seven fifty. They've

656
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Speaker 1: got Diego sitting at plus five two five. It's like

657
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: a boxing main event. Okay, yeah, I mean it's it's lopsided.

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Speaker 1: If there is anyone who has shown a capacity to

659
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Speaker 1: collapse under expectations, it's Jake Matthews. Now that's a little

660
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Speaker 1: bit unfair because hello, he's got twenty fights and he's

661
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: still just twenty six years old. This is the part

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00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: of his career where he should be really be moving

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Speaker 1: into solidifying. Uh not a status per se, but what

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Speaker 1: kind of future he might be able to have. He

665
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: should make short work an easy work of Diego Sanchez.

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Speaker 1: Is he going to I.

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Speaker 2: Hope he does, and I don't mean that against Diego,

668
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 2: but I don't want to keep seeing Diego take punishment.

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Speaker 2: And I'm almost scared by this little run that he's on.

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Speaker 2: He got the DQ win against Michelle Paneda, which you

671
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Speaker 2: know I was kind of laying they didn't really deserve.

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Speaker 2: You know, Look, I'll give him credit for that Mickey

673
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 2: goalwin where where you know you wanted to count him out.

674
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 2: But uh, I don't know. At some point there's gonna

675
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 2: be nothing left in there. What's his coach's name, your

676
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 2: buddy there?

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Speaker 1: Uh? He hit me up again, by the way, Joshua Fabbi,

678
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Speaker 1: Joshua Fabia. Hopefully Joshua he wants to do another interview.

679
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Speaker 2: He has had the crystals out and the incense and

680
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 2: hopefully they're snorting someone's dead remains. And I think that's

681
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 2: how they prepare for a fight. I don't know if

682
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 2: it'll be good enough. But did you see him doing

683
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Speaker 2: the weird things in the airport on the embeedded hit.

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Speaker 1: That's the least of my concerns with Diego is doing

685
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Speaker 1: Monty Python silly walks in the airport and waiting for

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Speaker 1: his flight. I don't care about that. Yeah, Fabia hit

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Speaker 1: me up. It was like, I want to do another interview,

688
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: but the only condition is it has to be live. Meanwhile,

689
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Speaker 1: these two dudes DM me after the interview I did

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Speaker 1: with him on serious XM, telling me I was the problem,

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Speaker 1: you know, I was. I was the one who was

692
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Speaker 1: making them look bad. I'm like, I'm pretty sure Fellas,

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Speaker 1: I'm not the guy that did that.

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Speaker 2: Just to be clear, check yourself, by the way, you

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Speaker 2: got to tell the people how badly you've sweat up

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Speaker 2: that dresshirt on.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, Patrick, I need who's the guy? You remember

698
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: when Patrick going with Dunk at the garden and then

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Speaker 1: he go to this side of the court. They still

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00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: have them now, but I remember, like they had to

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Speaker 1: have four of them, the joints. They have the guys

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Speaker 1: with the huge brooms and they would soak up all

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Speaker 1: the sweat. Yes, yeah, I need that. I'm sweating like

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Speaker 1: a whore in church.

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Speaker 2: All right, and I make weird references please all right?

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Speaker 1: So with that in mind, and by the way, this

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Speaker 1: will be the this will be the there's two pay per

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Speaker 1: views next month, I should say, no, sorry, two fifty

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Speaker 1: four is in October. Those we're not in October.

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Speaker 2: Yet, which is what's two fifty four. Is that the

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Speaker 2: heavy one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that will be at the afternoon time, so it'll

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Speaker 1: be evening time in Abu Dhabi.

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Speaker 2: And that night Gravante Davis against uh Leo Santa Cruz showtime.

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Speaker 1: He's trying to go up with ahead to head with Well.

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Speaker 2: They're not going ahead head. That's going to be at night,

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Speaker 2: all right, that's.

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Speaker 1: Right, yes, yes, good point. Right. Still, it's a lot

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Speaker 1: of you know, it's a lot of ducats to figure

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Speaker 1: out if you like both sports. All right, speaking of

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Speaker 1: both sports, BC, here we are. This is the part

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Speaker 1: where our audience dreads they love boxing talk here on

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Speaker 1: Morning Combat. But in all seriousness, this is just a

724
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Speaker 1: hell of a car.

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00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, they better wake up and realize that this is

726
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 2: a hardcore boxings fan stream to see two stars in

727
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 2: the Charlo's in legitimately arguably the toughest test of their careers.

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Speaker 1: Also, here's the thing, if you if MMA taught me anything,

729
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: it taught me to like amateur wrestling, not to the

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Speaker 1: degree that I love MMA, but it gave me a respect.

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Speaker 1: It gave me a healthy respect obviously for jiu jitsu,

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Speaker 1: four boxing, for kickboxing. I don't like them. As I mentioned,

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Speaker 1: I don't like them all the same, But dude, boxing

734
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Speaker 1: is great, and not because it's it's great because it's

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00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: different than MMA. There are obviously numerous similarities, but there

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Speaker 1: are also things you can appreciate about one sport that

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Speaker 1: it doesn't offer for the other, and vice versa. MMA

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00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: offers things to you that boxing cannot, and vice versa.

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00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: For me. When you have a super compelling, back and

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00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: forth twelve round main event, there's just more story arc

741
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: to follow than in a five round main event. But

742
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: at the same time, a blood and guts five round

743
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Speaker 1: war like Lawler versus Condit, you just don't see kind

744
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: of Lawler MacDonald was better just too It's it was

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00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: a better fight, but it wasn't a better man. I

746
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: think that's the part now a five round fight that

747
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: you're gonna say it was a better melee. Really, where

748
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: Lawler ends up stopping McDonald, that's that's that's a better

749
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: melee versus the one that did not and then change

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Speaker 1: both their careers.

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00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 2: Don't even consider Lawlor Condit an all time great action fight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's because they're stupid. Who cares what they think?

753
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: In any event, Speaking of action fights, we're at the

754
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Speaker 1: home of Gotti versus Ward Charlo brothers.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we are a shout out to Connecticut, right my state.

756
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 2: So OK, So here's how it goes. BC two main events.

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00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 2: One card will start at seven pm in the East.

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Speaker 2: There'll be an intermission where BC and I will host

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Speaker 2: that show. Then there'll be a ten pm again, I'm

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00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 2: guessing roughly a ten pm show start time. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know will It will entirely depend on how

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00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: the first card goes. Basically, let's just say, for all

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00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: intents and purposes, at a ten pm start time, and

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00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: what will happen there is the second car will happen.

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Speaker 1: Each of those cards is headlined by one of the

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00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: Charlote brothers. Let's start with the first card because to me,

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Speaker 1: that's the one I'm actually most interested in terms of

768
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: the main event itself, Jamal Charlow, who is the technically

769
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: the bigger of the brother Don't tell Jermeal Charlo that

770
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Speaker 1: I'll ream you out on face Jamal.

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00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 2: As Jamal said the other day, I'm older by one

772
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 2: long minute, and he's trying to stretch that out. Jermeal's

773
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 2: trying to close that gap and be the off of.

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00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: I rewatched h Jermel going ape shit on Instagram. Yes,

775
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: about Jesus Christ. He lost his mind about it. Okay,

776
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: but he is at one hundred and sixty pounds, Dremmel

777
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Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty no, no, yeah, yeah, Dremal at one

778
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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty four. So he's going up against Sergei Derevianchenko.

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Speaker 1: I love this fight. We've already talked about it. It's

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Speaker 1: the toughest test of Jamal's.

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00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 2: Career than Layman's terms for the MMA, fan, I.

782
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: Help them understand what is at stake, What's what are

783
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: the roles people are playing? All? Right?

784
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 2: In general? Here's the Charlos, thirty year old twin brothers,

785
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 2: both world champions, brash, unapologetic, and they fight that way too,

786
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 2: equal parts boxing, speed and power and athleticism and big surge.

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00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 2: Both Charlo's don't throw a ton of punches, but they're

788
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 2: very efficient and they look for that finishing blow and

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00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 2: they typically get it. What Jamal is going to do here,

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Speaker 2: He had won a title at fifty four, moved up

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00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 2: to wait because of boxing's political landscape, had had some

792
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: knockouts and nice wins, but hadn't welcomed an elite foe.

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00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 2: Now we has it in derevin Chenko. Who's Sergei dervin Chenko,

794
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 2: Ukrainian giant amateur career turns pro here, thirty four years old,

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00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 2: and in just twelve thirteen pro fights, has already pushed

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Speaker 2: two of the best middleweight to the last decade, Danny

797
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 2: Jacobs and Canelo. I'm sorry, Danny Jacobs and Ganadi to

798
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 2: the absolute limit, falling just short by split or or

799
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 2: close unanimous decisions. So Luca's gonna come down to this.

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Speaker 2: Jamal's the bigger fighter against derevin Chenko. Is gonna have

801
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 2: a speed advantage, gonna have a power advantage. But what

802
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 2: derevin Chenko does so great, combining the footwork of that

803
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 2: Ukrainian amateur system, getting inside and once she's inside, letting

804
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 2: go with punches, but not in a reckless brawl sort

805
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 2: of way, more in a confined, clean and inaccurate punches.

806
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 2: But the more you do that against a sniper like

807
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 2: Jamal Charlow, the more you're gonna set up combustion. And

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00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 2: while Darren Shavinchenko has come so close against Glove and

809
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 2: Jacob's but couldn't sway the judges, I don't know exactly.

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00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 2: He's gonna be the toughest test to date for Jamal.

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Speaker 2: But how does he win this fight? That's gonna be interesting.

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00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 2: He's going to have to suffocate Jamal. He's going to

813
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 2: have to force Jamal to throw even less than he

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00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,760
Speaker 2: normally does. Because look, among active middleweights, according to copy

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Speaker 2: Box circ daferenent, Chenko attempts the most amount of punches

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Speaker 2: per round. Jamal attempts the least amount of active middleweights.

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00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 2: So he's got to keep that number down low by landing,

818
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 2: by getting inside, and by giving Jamal something to think about. Eventually,

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Speaker 2: Jamal is gonna line him up and counter. We've seen

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Speaker 2: different Chaco. He can get knocked down, but he can

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Speaker 2: get back up. This is gonna be very fun because

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Speaker 2: it's not gonna be a scientific boxing match, right Sergate's

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Speaker 2: gonna get.

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Speaker 1: Inside Stent It has to be if you're if you're Charlo,

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00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 1: you're not gonna out guts Dervian Chenko. You're not gonna

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Speaker 1: outgrind der Vian Jenco. He's not built for that. Here's

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Speaker 1: my question. Let's say Charlo wins fifth round KO, what

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Speaker 1: does that do for his career? Who? What what kind

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Speaker 1: of opportunities is Charlo lined up for If he scores

830
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: a victory that emphatic against an opponent that could he.

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Speaker 2: Leaps to the stratosphere of the division, which means you're

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00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 2: ready for the giant pay per view matchups. The kind

833
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 2: look to be honest that cross over to different networks

834
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Speaker 2: and promoters, like how do we get the people on

835
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 2: the other side of the street in here? Normally it's

836
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 2: by becoming such a big star that people that.

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Speaker 1: Have to make it.

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00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 2: The demand is so big. So if he is able

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Speaker 2: and it's in play for de vin Chenko to get

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00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: inside on them, but Charlo land the boom. And again,

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00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 2: we don't know if Charlo's a bigger puncher than Ganati

842
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: or Dan Jacobs. We have to see him on the

843
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 2: elite level to find out if he can do that

844
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Speaker 2: and if he can use names afterwards in the microphone

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00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 2: angrily like hey Canelo, right, Hey, Canelo Alvarez, come see me.

846
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 2: That's when we're gonna start banging that drum. He already

847
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 2: believes he's the best middleweight in the world, and he

848
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 2: might be, but if he beats Sergey devin Chenko, he's

849
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 2: gonna have a very strong stance because Jacob's moved up.

850
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 2: Canelo is floating right between sixty and seventy five. Glufton's

851
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: kind of on the way out of the sport. There's

852
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 2: an opening right there now.

853
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: Obviously, if derrevi Uchenko wins, this would be against Jacob

854
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: fell Short, against Triple G fell Short. I remember watching

855
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: that live. I think it was on his own again,

856
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: there's so many Triple G fanboys were like, no way,

857
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: wasn't that close? At a bare minimum, folks, that fight

858
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: was close. I scored it for dervian Chenko, but okay,

859
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: at a bare minimum is savage. He pushed him to

860
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: the limits. It was ridiculous.

861
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 2: Still pieces of Sergey's face on the floor at Madison

862
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 2: Square guard.

863
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: I mean, what does Triple G do? He backs you

864
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: up against the ropes, and derbian Schenko was doing that

865
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: to him multiple stretches of that fight. So if he

866
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: wins third times a charm, does it transform dervian Chenko's great?

867
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 2: It certainly must, right, it has to, It has to,

868
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 2: and he's like the elite, un crowned champion of this division.

869
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 2: But you know, if you come up short three times

870
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 2: against the three best fighters, you know that might be

871
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 2: the end. He's thirty four years old, So you know

872
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 2: one thing we're not talking about. I want green belt.

873
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 2: He fought his face off, literally his face fell off

874
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,959
Speaker 2: Nicholas Cage against Gannadi. I know that was last fall.

875
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 2: But like tissues, sometimes you lose the ghost in one

876
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 2: night right, sometimes you pour whatever is left in you.

877
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 2: I know he's had a small pro career, but thirty

878
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 2: five where he's had a long career. When you consider

879
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 2: the amateur, you have to wonder if the damage whatever

880
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 2: he's in there against a bigger fighter, it's gonna be

881
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 2: an i'll pill climb, but he is in play. He

882
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 2: is in this fight. Jamal has never seen this level

883
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 2: of skill and aggression together, so can't freaking wait. I'm

884
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 2: spitting off.

885
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: So then there's gonna be the intermission, which where he

886
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: and I will take over, and then we go to

887
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:22,760
Speaker 1: the second card. Jermel Charlo will be taking on Jason Rosario.

888
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: To me, this one is interesting, but for different reasons.

889
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: I personally and I could be totally wrong about this.

890
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: I don't view Rosario as quite the challenge that I

891
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: do for derrevyan Chenko, although I take seriously he's got

892
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 1: two belts that are not necessarily an accident. But Jermel

893
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: Charlo is considered by boxing the insiders of the two

894
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: brothers to be the one that's a little bit more

895
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: technically sophisticated, maybe the better pure boxer of the two.

896
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: He got the early start with Golden Boy when Jamal

897
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: did not, right, so I think he had like double

898
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: digit fights as a pro before Jamal ever really got

899
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 1: in there. Okay, set the scene for us there. Jamal

900
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: a little bit chattier of the two, by the way,

901
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,439
Speaker 1: between the two brothers as well, what is he looking

902
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: for here? Really, it's the it's gotta be the title

903
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: unification aspect.

904
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously. Look one fifty four is the deepest division

905
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 2: in the sport. It really is. You may have bigger

906
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: stars at welter wait, but top to bottom, when we

907
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 2: have names like Laura, Jay Rock, Jared Hurd, On and on,

908
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 2: it's so freaking deep. Tony Harrison's another one. The winner

909
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 2: of this fight will have three of four belts. You're

910
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,439
Speaker 2: talking about the power player in the division. I think

911
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 2: collectively we all agree Jamel Charlow split the fights with

912
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 2: Tony Harrison, knocked him out in the rematch. He's your

913
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 2: number one sort of pound for pound, best super wellsweight,

914
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 2: junior middleweight, whatever you want to say at one fifty four.

915
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 2: So he should be favored, and he will be. He's

916
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 2: the better counterpuncher, he's got the better craft, he's quick

917
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 2: and all that. But that unknown factor about what Bana

918
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 2: Nah brings to the table Jason Rosario is really what

919
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 2: makes this fight so fun. I've said it before, I

920
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 2: said it again. We don't know how great Rosario is.

921
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 2: Jame Melcher don't know, and even Jason doesn't know why,

922
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 2: because he's twenty five and he only had his first

923
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: real training camp ever as a pro fighter twenty fights

924
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 2: into his career against Julian Williams in January, when he

925
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 2: upset him by knockout. So this is a guy who's

926
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 2: kind of just coming into it his own very small

927
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: resume at the very top. Is that a one great

928
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 2: night against Jay Rock? Is it fools gold? Because Jay

929
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 2: Rock's a great fighter, but we've seen jermal Charlo send

930
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: him to hell in a close fight as well with

931
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 2: a big knockout. Is it a little bit of fools gold?

932
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 2: Or is Jason Rosario feeling himself and finding out who

933
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 2: he is? The thing I love most about Banana is

934
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 2: that he told me I'll box twelve rounds if I

935
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 2: have to do if Charlo makes me. But I want

936
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 2: to go to war. That's what I do. I've got

937
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 2: a big banana right here for im. He didn't say

938
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 2: right here. He said right here, brother, and it's find

939
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 2: to do. Jermel's chin waiting for it. I cannot wait

940
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 2: to see what happened, Luke, Will.

941
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: You put that down and stop being weird? Now?

942
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 2: You broke the desk fus when he lands on Jermel's chin.

943
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 2: I do think the more aggressive Rosario is, he will

944
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 2: speed up his own exit. I do like Jermeal by knockout.

945
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 2: But I will break this set to show you how

946
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 2: excited I am for this.

947
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: If you actually go and look at the fight that

948
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 1: but Banano lost, I will break it.

949
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 2: What are you gonna do? What do you do? All right?

950
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 2: Give you a better haircut. We're gonna give you a

951
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 2: better haircut. J in my ear? Do you know what

952
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 2: I'm saying? Here's the point, Jay, Come see me, Come

953
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 2: see me?

954
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: Bro was it the was it the goalmore fight that

955
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 1: he lost Gallimore? If you actually I went and watched

956
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: that fight, he was playing the inside game with that

957
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: opponent for the entirety of it. Now, he ended up losing,

958
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: but he tried. He can't do it like dry Via

959
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: Chenco can do it to Jermal. He's not that sophisticated

960
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: a player, so he actually might get There's a lot

961
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: of ways he could end up it. Can you worry

962
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: about that in a minute? Can we make this point

963
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: without you being distracted? Their ikea stop for just a month? Please?

964
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: Thank you? Yes? Leave it? Quit fucking around?

965
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:36,479
Speaker 2: Hey Jay, why don't you fall?

966
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: All right? Well, I was gonna make a point, but

967
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: who cares anymore? I mean, there you go? Anything else

968
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 1: in the car? People should care about their fucko.

969
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 2: It's a loaded undercard for Yeah, we were gonna wrap

970
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 2: four fights. Look, the one twenty two division is going

971
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 2: to be on parade here with three fights, two for

972
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 2: a title, one featuring former champions. You may come out

973
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 2: talking a lot about Lewis Snarry, twenty five year old

974
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,919
Speaker 2: softball from Mexico. One of the biggest punchers in the game.

975
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 2: He's got a hammer in this left hand. All right.

976
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 1: So, as we mentioned, there's two main events six fights

977
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: total if you discount the main events. As he indicated,

978
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: there's four other fights right, Three of those are one

979
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: twenty two. The last of those is gonna be Jon

980
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: Reel Casameiro at one hundred and eighteen, so just one

981
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: weight class down against Duke Micah. I've tried, dude, I

982
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: have tried. I said this on the wig In Show.

983
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: No excuse me, the presser. I have tried to verify

984
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: this dude's record. Wikipedia says he's got fifteen fights, all

985
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: in Africa. Some sights he has twenty four fights. I

986
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: can't find it. Box Wreck doesn't say it either way.

987
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: I do believe this is his US debut, and as

988
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: I said before, his average and ask him. I'll ask

989
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,919
Speaker 1: him his average output in terms of like how long

990
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: a fight lasts is five and a half rounds. He

991
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: might be in for a wake up call on Saturday night.

992
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: I don't think that fight is going to go five

993
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 1: and a half rounds unless.

994
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: Well, Casamiro is huge priory. This is a great fight.

995
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 2: Casimo is a very late starter. Six of his twenty

996
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 2: knockouts in the tenth round or later. He doesn't throw

997
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 2: enough punches, but he's tough as bald. By the way,

998
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 2: four five years in Filipino history have won titles in

999
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 2: three divisions. Manny Pacquiao, Donnietis nonito don All right, you

1000
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 2: know this guy, John Real Castromeo is putting together four

1001
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 2: team wins in a row, a very good career. This

1002
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 2: is gonna be good fight. Okay, get ready, are you

1003
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 2: gonna don't don't go to the bathroom?

1004
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 1: Okay? Are you gonna break anything else? I'm done, I'm

1005
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: done besides my will to do the show, no, let

1006
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: me say goodbye properly. Okay, So let's plug this. So

1007
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: in about an hour we are going to be back

1008
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: on Showtime or the the YouTube channel for the weigh

1009
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 1: ins for this event, eleven Eastern, eleven in the eastern,

1010
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: eleven eastern. Then what are we doing later today? We're

1011
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: gonna do another room service diaries sometimes.

1012
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, check us out at CBS Sports HQ. By the way,

1013
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 2: later day will be live at six o'clock. We got

1014
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,919
Speaker 2: another our third and final room service diaries later tonight.

1015
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then tomorrow is the big day, the pay

1016
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: per view. We will be the intermission show between the

1017
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: first Charlo and second Charlo cards. Yeah. All right, if

1018
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: you want to try Showtime, you certainly can go to

1019
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: Showtime dot com right now for a thirty day free trial.

1020
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 1: Please do that. By the way, we've got to put

1021
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: a lot of places you can catch us on social BC.

1022
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: He's got an Instagram, I've got an Instagram. He's got

1023
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: a Twitter. I've got a Twitter. And now Morning Combat

1024
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: has a Twitter and a YouTube page obviously and uh

1025
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: a Instagram. All of them with the same name. Makes

1026
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: it very simple, unlike me and BC, who have a

1027
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: thousand different names for each of our accounts. And by

1028
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: the way, this is live. You can go to YouTube

1029
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: dot com slash morning Combat. The vanity url works. Did

1030
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: you know that?

1031
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 2: No, I don't know what that means. But a great

1032
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 2: time with you guys.

1033
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: As opposed to like X two five seven, ZZ three.

1034
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 2: One, Johnson rods nerd Bombers YouTube dot com. Hey, BC,

1035
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: why do you think this light looks blue? It's because

1036
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 2: of the technological you know? All right?

1037
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: Yeah? Why why?

1038
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 2: Why? Why?

1039
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: Learn about how things work? All right? Uh? Like desks?

1040
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: All right? That is BC. I am Luke Thomas from

1041
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: CBS Sports. We'll see you guys about an hour for

1042
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: the weigh in. Until then, may all of your games

1043
00:44:48,800 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: be loyal. Yes,