1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: He needs to keep his promises. You don't know what's 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: true anymore. It hurts me to see people burning the 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: fierce relationships that I just saw, like the politics unbelievable. 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: It's what you've been waiting for all day. America Now, 5 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton with America now joined the conversation called Buck 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:22,080 Speaker 1: toll free at eight four four nine hundred Buck. That's 7 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: eight four four D two eight to five, sharp mind, 8 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:32,639 Speaker 1: strong voice, Buck Sexton. Great to have you here with me. 9 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton with America. Now, yess it going? So you 10 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: have no doubt heard about the firestorm that has resulted 11 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: from Donald Trump's tweets over the weekend in which he 12 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 1: says straight up that Obama and he says it out right, 13 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: that Obama is responsible for surveillance of well, Donald Trump 14 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: his associates, and that it may have used other Foreign 15 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: Intelligence Surveillance Act. And now everybody is completely fired up. 16 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: The political trenches have been dug on both sides of 17 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 1: this issue, and this is just going to get even 18 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: more intense. So I want to break this down for 19 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: you today in a way that hopefully no one else 20 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: would have been able to because I bring a particular 21 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: I bring a very particular set of skills to this. 22 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: As a former CIA officer, somebody who has been briefed 23 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: on and understands and worked with FISA information, understands how 24 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: it is used, understands the law behind FISA UM and 25 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: I have to tell you that the the way this 26 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: is being depicted in the media is automatically very dishonest. 27 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: Let's just get out some very clear and and sweeping hypocrisy. 28 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: Let's just deal with that right off the bat. First 29 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: of all, you have, on the one hand, Uh, you 30 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: have information year that comes to light, and it's the 31 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: beginning of what you would think would be much more, 32 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: much more investigation, much more discussion. And the press from 33 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: go on this didn't just say that this seemed to 34 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: be with Trump's statement that his tweets seemed to be problematic, 35 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: but in fact the suggestion was that it was wrong 36 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 1: from the onset, and they said this is because there 37 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: was a lack of evidence. Now I have to say 38 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 1: there's been a lack of evidence about Donald Trump's ties 39 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: to Russia for quite some time. There has been a 40 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: lack of evidence. Uh, that has not held back any 41 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: any of the reporters who have been pushing this Russian 42 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: narrative for many weeks, for many months, and so you 43 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: have to ask the question at some point, well, is 44 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: this just the way it's going to be, the double 45 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: standard of hypocrisy, And yes, of course the answer is yes, 46 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: But it doesn't mean we should stop pointing it out 47 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: because it provides necessary context. I've been told for months 48 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: now that Donald Trump was and what I mean told, 49 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: I mean the media has been hammering in arator that 50 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: Donald Trump was involved in some international conspiracy, in international 51 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 1: conspiracy with the Russian government, with Vladimir Putin. Putin with 52 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: the Kremlin involved to throw the election. And the evidence 53 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: for this has been so far General Flynn speaking to 54 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: a Russian ambassador. By the way, that was a leaked 55 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: and classified data leaked in for that phone conversation. General 56 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: Flynn had a phone conversation as the soon to be 57 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: National security advisor of the Russian ambassador. A few former 58 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: Trump aids and campaign officials did some business or have 59 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: some interactions with Russians in the past. Paul Manafort, most 60 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: notably in Ukraine, no longer with the campaign, no longer 61 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: didn't stay with the campaign, and then that Jeff Sessions 62 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: had a brief sidebar chat with the Russian ambassador that 63 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: he didn't mention at an R and C event, and 64 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: then also one time in his capacity, as he says, 65 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: as a Senate Armed Services Committee member in his office. 66 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: These these are the only data points of proof we have. 67 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: Oh and Donald Trump saying nice things about Vladimir Putin, 68 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: never mind whether he would have more flexibility to deal 69 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: with all this after the election. Well, uh, let me 70 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 1: just take this one by piece by piece. There's there's 71 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: a lot to work through here. We'll spend this hour 72 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: really getting into this issue in in some depth and detail. Um, 73 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: if the oh, they'll believe that conspiracy, I just want 74 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: to go make sure that we start with this. They'll 75 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: believe the conspiracy that there are Russians working with the 76 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:52,359 Speaker 1: Kremlin working, that's all well and good to them, But 77 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: that there could have been surveillance of Donald Trump and 78 00:04:56,120 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: his associates based upon the possibility of those connections being 79 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: real to them is is completely there's no evidence. That's crazy. 80 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: It could never happen. Well, there's something that's incongruous about that. 81 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: There's a problem here, because we saw New York Times 82 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: reporting and this is I know you've probably heard about 83 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: this already today or read some of the reporting The Guardian, 84 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: the New York Times, heat Street mentions of FISA warrants. 85 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: FISA warrants are specifically about intelligence gathering. These are not 86 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: part of the normal Title three federal criminal procedure. This 87 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: is something else, and it has to do with identifying 88 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 1: and surveilling somebody who's an agent of a foreign power. 89 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: You see, what the media hasn't really come around to 90 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: yet or figured out, is that if in fact, what 91 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 1: they all seem to believe, not all of them, but 92 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: a lot of them seem to believe, which that Donald 93 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: Trump was involved in this Russia conspiracy. If that was true, 94 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 1: well then why wouldn't they have had communications vacuumed up 95 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: as part of very FISA efforts if they are acting 96 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: as agents of Russia? As again they keep saying, why 97 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: wouldn't that have happened so automatically. You have a problem 98 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: because they've been saying that this is going on, and 99 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: then the tool that would be used, perhaps theoretically allegedly 100 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: no proof yet, I admit there's no proof, no evidence 101 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: on either side of this, that Trump and his associates 102 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: are doing Russia's bidding which I find uh almost laughable 103 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: in the remoteness of it being true. And then on 104 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: the other side, we have seen no evidence yet of 105 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: the fies it's happening. We have seen reporting which is 106 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: different from evidence, as we know, reporting in this instance 107 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: based upon the fact that The New York Times says 108 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: they had senior officials that were talking to them about 109 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: the communications between Trump and these and Trump officials and 110 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: the Russians that are the interlocutors for this grand can spiracy. Remember, 111 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: media believes there's a conspiracy. They think there is a 112 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: and we need to get to the bottom. There have 113 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: to be investigations. Jeff Sessions should resign, some of them 114 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: are saying, because he's trying to cover up this conspiracy 115 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: at all. You have to believe there's a conspiracy to us, 116 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: what are we even talking about? And when the New 117 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: York Times thought it was worthwhile too for the purposes 118 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: of smearing Trump, of course, to say, well, we have 119 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: many senior US officials current former, some combination thereof telling 120 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: us about a counter intelligence investigation, which certainly sounds like FISA, 121 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: not a criminal investigation. Different procedures for that, by the way, 122 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: much more constitutional protections much higher bar to clear for 123 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: electronic surveillance via a criminal investigation than a visa investigation. 124 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: Visa is about intel. Intelligence is different from criminal procedure. 125 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: Sometimes there's a bit of crossover, but they try to 126 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 1: wall these off because one of them really is is 127 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: a largely and end run it through a secret quarter. 128 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: As you know, the FISA court a secret and you 129 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: can see much of this posted online. They break down 130 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: the differences in procedure between Title three federal criminal warrants 131 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: and a FISA warrant. But the New York Times was 132 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: writing about this. This is in the most prominent piece 133 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: about how there are senior Trump aids under investigation for 134 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: their ties to Russia. And oh, by the way, US 135 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: officials with access to classified are saying that the signals 136 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: intelligence the intercepts of communications that they must have seen, 137 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: which maybe they came through FISER. That doesn't seem to 138 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: be much of a leap that electronic eavesdropping that was 139 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: happening in some capacity was proving these links and there 140 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: needed to be more investigation of it. It was useful 141 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: at time to the Times and the press because it 142 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: added to the all there must be a conspiracy here 143 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: and now Trump turns around, based on that report as 144 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: far as we know, as well as maybe a handful 145 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: of other media reports, this is all in the public domain, says, well, 146 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: that means that they were wire tapping, which is a 147 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: general term they used for electronic eavesdropping in some capacity, 148 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: electronic surveillance, wire tapping him and his campaign officials. Well, 149 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: it can't be that the New York Times report on 150 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: this is true and verified and well sourced and accepted 151 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: as fact. That Carter Page, Manifort, and Stone, I believe 152 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: it's Roger Stone's the other one they name, are are 153 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: being looked at by the FBI four signals intelligence or 154 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: using signals intelligence that proves that there are these ties 155 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: with Russia, and then say, well, but that's attacked. We 156 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: would that's not a tactic that was happening. Either. You 157 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:49,199 Speaker 1: have Trump people under electronic surveillance for a counterintelligence investigation, 158 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: which again different from a criminal investigation, or at least 159 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: a different path, a different procedure. The warrants, the fires 160 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: are warrant requests are real for these or they're not, 161 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: and they were reported as real and no, but he 162 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: seemed to think that that wasn't true and of course, 163 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:05,839 Speaker 1: it was adding to the narrative. The narrative at the 164 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: time was that Trump is part of this grand conspiracy, which, again, 165 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: as I started out telling you, media is willing to 166 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: believe that story. They'll they'll talk till they're blue in 167 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: the face about oh, Russia and the ties and why 168 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: is he so favorable towards Putin and Hillary in the election? 169 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 1: And it's they're relitigating, replaying the whole election night in 170 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: their heads all over again. Oh it could have been. 171 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: It would be so amazing if Hillary was the president. 172 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: It was stolen from us, you see, That's what they believe, 173 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: and anything they can do now to set that right 174 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: they are willing to do. But the reporting is already 175 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: a matter of record, the entire case against Trump. As 176 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: I said to you, there's no evidence even the intelligence community, 177 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: which was being cited as correct and right. And I 178 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: used to remember the intelligence community, we get things wrong, 179 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: we get a lot of things right, or we used to. 180 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: And they say, well, there's no evidence of allusion, even 181 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:02,719 Speaker 1: the d and I himself, and you have all these 182 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: officials now coming out getting involved in this too. And 183 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: we'll get into more of that later on this hour. 184 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: But even the d and I himself is willing to 185 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: say there was no proof of collusion with Russia. Okay, well, 186 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: if there's no proof of collusion, we certainly are talking 187 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: about it a lot, a lot of questions, a lot 188 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: of a lot of reporting, a lot of sources that 189 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 1: are coming out of government to talk about these nefarious 190 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: contacts between Trump and Russia. Well, which is it. If 191 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:37,719 Speaker 1: that's all happening and it's all true, wouldn't then a 192 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: FISA warrant which has yet to be confirmed or denied 193 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: by the government, I don't know if it exists. We 194 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: will have to see. It was reported on by the 195 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: New York Times. They're the ones that we're saying that 196 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 1: this is out there. They're the ones that are relying 197 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: on unnamed government sources and annoman government sources to give 198 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: them this information. But if the conspiracy is true, then 199 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: what's the problem with using a FISA investigation or using 200 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: FISA as a as a tactic as a tool to 201 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: prove it. If Trump or any of his officials are 202 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: in fact Russian agents, as we're constantly reminded by the media, 203 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: then why is it so insane to believe that maybe 204 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: FISA was in fact brought to bear here. Well, here's 205 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: another problem, one that perhaps they didn't think about at 206 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: the time. FISA certainly allows a lot of discretion. You can, 207 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 1: like I said, go and check out. It has to 208 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: has to do with an agent of a foreign power. 209 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 1: There are specific standards they're supposed to be minimization of 210 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: any US person captured through the process of it. I mean, 211 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: there's all of these procedures that are in place for it. 212 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: But what I would want to know is if they 213 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: were doing this because there was a belief in the 214 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 1: Obama administration, whether real or opportunistic, and those could also 215 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: be not completely separate and distinct, but intertwined. If the 216 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: Obama administration was of some belief and opportunistically using fies 217 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: it in order to surveil the Trump administration, as The 218 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: New York Times has reported, and The Guardian, a left 219 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: wing British newspaper, has reported that there were fiser requests, 220 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: the first one being turned down, the second one got approved, 221 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: meaning the first one must have been really flimsy if 222 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: they went through all of that and used spying powers, 223 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: not crimp, not standard criminal procedure, spying powers involving a 224 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: in the opposing political campaign at the height of the 225 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:39,839 Speaker 1: campaign and didn't find anything. What would that tell us all? 226 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: What do you think the ramifications of that would be. 227 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: And let me put one more question to you now, 228 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 1: if they did find anything, if this fies are reporting 229 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: from these left wing papers, that was not questioned until 230 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, people realize, wait a second, you're 231 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: using spying techniques against Trump administration officials or Trump campaign officials. 232 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: That seems to be very inflammatory, that seems dubious. Nobody 233 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: was questioning it until all of a sudden Trump turned 234 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: around and accused Obama, which is a problem because Obama 235 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: I don't think would have signed off on this personally, 236 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: I don't buy that. But it might have been within 237 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 1: the d o J. We're gonna find out, hopefully, But 238 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 1: just put all that aside for a second. If anybody 239 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: using these tactics found out information that Trump or his 240 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: aids or his senior campaign officials or advisors was colluding 241 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: with the Russians, even if it wasn't a violation of 242 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: law in any context, just colluding with the Russians, telling them, Yeah, 243 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: that's right, great, go hack Hillary's emails or something, whatever 244 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: it is. That they think was said. Don't you think 245 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: we would have heard about it by now? We already 246 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: have classified leaks of private phone conversations going on. I 247 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: think we would know if there was a smoking gun 248 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: that they had already found, and if they haven't found it, 249 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: given the efforts they've gone to, we'd have to wonder why. 250 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: All Right, we've got a lot more to talk about. 251 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: Eight four to five, Team, I'm and I hit a break. 252 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk more about this whole situation in just 253 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: a few minutes. Alright, seem welcome back. So you had 254 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: some some heavy hitters going on TV and the last 255 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: twenty four hours to address this issue. I mean, got 256 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: the President United States saying he's a U S person. 257 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: He's saying that he was under VISA surveillance. I mean, 258 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: he just came out and let it rip in a 259 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: series of tweets. Uh. This has obviously gotten a lot 260 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: of people spun up, everybody that pays attention to the media, 261 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: everyone that's involved in all of this. And you have 262 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: a former Bush Attorney General, Michael mckayzy saying a few 263 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: things that I wanted to direct us to. First of all, 264 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: he's saying that there that if there was a wire tap, 265 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: it would mean well that there had to be some 266 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: belief that there was a Russian agent at work here. 267 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: Play clips seven. Please. If a wire tap did exist, 268 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: it would have to have been approved by a FISA 269 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: court based on real evidence. So if there was a 270 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: wire tap doesn't mean there were suspicious things going on 271 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: between the Trump administration and the Russians. It means there 272 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: was some basis to believe that somebody in Trump Tower 273 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: may have been acting as an agent of the Russians 274 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: for whatever purpose, not necessarily the election, but for some 275 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: some purpose. And the FBI keeps track of people who 276 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: act as agents of foreign governments. They keep track of 277 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: people who act as agents to the Chinese, the Russians, 278 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: the Israelis, everybody. So if they believe this, if there 279 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: is a real belief out there that somehow the Trump 280 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: administration is either in contact directly with Russian agents or 281 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: somebody would be willing to be a Russian agent or 282 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: acting as an agent for the Russians and some capacity 283 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: talking to is I don't know his handler, whatever the 284 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: case may be, then it seems perfectly logical, doesn't it 285 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: that this would have been a tactic that was used, 286 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: So it can't be both ways. You can have the 287 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: New York Times reporting on how there are our phone 288 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: conversations happening between members of the Trump team and Russians 289 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: that are sketchy, um, and the reporting on those conversations 290 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: from US officials who you would think no about them 291 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: through some classified collection mechanism. I don't know how else 292 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: they would know. And yeah, then they say, well, this 293 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: is that we would never do this though this never 294 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: would have have happened. Uh. That to me seems rather disingenuous. 295 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 1: That seems to me to be quite a surprising uh 296 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: line from them. And yet here we are they want 297 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: us to live it. It's all crazy. Now we have 298 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 1: to get to the bottom of this. Here's what I 299 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: think should happen. Um. And I'll get more into the 300 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: the back and forth with some of these officials on 301 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: the other side of this break. But Trump has the 302 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: ability as commander in chief, unless I'm mistaken here, as 303 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: a matter of national security law, here is the ability 304 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 1: to say, I want to know if there was in 305 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:04,239 Speaker 1: fact a wire tapp eavesdropping, national security based eavesdropping on 306 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: my on my campaign, even on me. Trump could say 307 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 1: and I wouldn't know under what auspices, what would be 308 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: the Department of Justice. I would want to know how 309 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: they would say no to that. I know that the administration, 310 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 1: and we'll have somebody from the administration on later just 311 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: to give us the official response on this. They're saying 312 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: they want Congress to investigate. Okay, they want Congress to investigate, 313 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: but let's be clear, Uh, the president is in a position. 314 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 1: I would think, unless I'm missing something, the president would 315 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: be in a position to say, I want this information myself. 316 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: I want to know. I want to know what was 317 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:48,360 Speaker 1: done here, and he is able to see. I mean, 318 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 1: obviously he's a commander in chief. There is no classified 319 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 1: information the government has that is beyond the president's reach, 320 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: and the president, as a matter of ethics, can't intervene 321 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: in a criminal probe. But we're told this wasn't a 322 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: criminal probe, so he should be able to get an answer. 323 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: We'll talk about this and much more coming up. Buck 324 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: Sexton will be right back. All right, everybody, welcome back 325 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: to Buck Sexton with America now eight four four nine 326 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 1: to eight two five eight four five on the lines, 327 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: what do you all think happened here? I'm really curious 328 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,959 Speaker 1: to know how many of you think that Trump is 329 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: correct and that there were some form of surveillance on 330 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: his campaign. I also want to know how many of 331 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: you believe that maybe he has gone a little far 332 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: here with what he said. I'm sure there's some of 333 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: you who think that Trump shouldn't have brought Obama directly 334 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: into it. I'm trying to find here he says, how 335 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 1: low has President I just want to read you these 336 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: specific tweets. How low has President Obama gone to tap 337 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: my phones during the very sacred election process? This is 338 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: Nixon Watergate bad or sick guy. I bet a good 339 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: lawyer would make a great case out of the fact 340 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: that President Obama was tapping my phones in October, just 341 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 1: prior to the election. And is it legal for a 342 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 1: sitting president to be wire tapping a race for president 343 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 1: prior to an election? Turned down by court earlier a 344 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:17,439 Speaker 1: new low UH and then terrible just found out Obama 345 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: had my wires tapped in Trump Tower just before the victory. 346 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 1: Nothing found. This is McCarthy ism. So, I mean many 347 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: tweets from UH from Donald Trump on this issue, and 348 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: you make clear he thinks Obama's directly involved. Now there's 349 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: no there has been no proof offered of that yet. 350 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 1: In fact, there's no proof of a FISA warrant. That's 351 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: merely reporting from the New York Times, but it is 352 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 1: in multiple sources, actually, not just the New York Times. 353 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: And it wasn't challenged until Trump turned around and said, 354 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: wait a second, If if they're getting this information on 355 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: Russian's talking to my people, if they're getting information on 356 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: how there's been contacts between those working for my campaign 357 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: and all the rest of it, Uh, clearly there must 358 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: have been some electronic eavesdropping going on of my campaign. Well, 359 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 1: how would that be happening if it was a criminal complaint, Well, 360 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: then we would know what the procedures are for that, 361 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 1: and would of course you would think being a place 362 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: to get more answers. But because it went on the 363 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: national security track, you're talking about a lot more layers 364 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: of of secrecy and also of government being able to 365 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: make a determination based on what the people involved in 366 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: this specific case thought they have much wider discretion by 367 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: applying what would be intelligence collection tactics instead of criminal procedure. 368 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 1: And I gotta say, I can't imagine anybody the FBI 369 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 1: or any any judge for that matter, who would have 370 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: to sign off on on electronic surveillance of a political campaign. 371 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 1: They would have to have some very powerful stuff, nothing 372 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 1: along the line of what we've seen so far. So 373 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: we we do have a number of senior officials that 374 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:11,199 Speaker 1: have come out and said that, uh, that there's no 375 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: way that this happened. Uh. We do have a number 376 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 1: of senior officials who were out there who are saying 377 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,919 Speaker 1: that they, in fact, in the case of D and 378 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: I Clapper, that it didn't happen. Well, he said it 379 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: didn't happen, and then he went on to say that 380 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 1: he believed or rather that that it is not to 381 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: his knowledge, which I feel like, if you're going to 382 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 1: be definitive about this kind of thing, it should be definitive. 383 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: If you're going to say that this didn't happen. I 384 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: was the Director of National Intelligence. It is my job 385 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: to know about those kinds of high level intelligence operations. 386 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: Then you should just be able to say it and 387 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: not have to caveat it. And then again, Clapper, as 388 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 1: we know, has had some problems with the truth in 389 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: the past, telling Congress that there was no collection going on, 390 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 1: having to do with you US citizens, And then later 391 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 1: there were some revelations about that, and even some senators, 392 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: including Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon Democrats, who were pretty 393 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: upset with Clapper in his response about domestic spying, domestic surveillance. 394 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: So we should be able to get answers here. I 395 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: I do wish that there had been maybe a little 396 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: bit less of a specificity put on this from the 397 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 1: Trump campaign in the beginning, with well, the President himself 398 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 1: claiming that Obama had his phones tapped. That is an 399 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: explosive allegation. And if it wasn't Obama, and by the way, 400 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: it wouldn't be Obama, it would be somebody. It would 401 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: be the Justice Department. Now would they have passed that 402 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: along to Obama? Would he know about it? Would he 403 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 1: be complicit in it? I got to think the answer 404 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: is yes, But we don't know, and I don't My 405 00:23:58,320 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: part of my problem here is what do we do? 406 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,199 Speaker 1: This has just passed on to Congress. We already know 407 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,360 Speaker 1: the Congress wants to investigate. They want to look at 408 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: this very closely, and they've been saying for some time 409 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: this this needs to happen. You've even got Republicans yet 410 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: Lindsay Graham, and you know you've got jam McKean. They're 411 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: out there pushing for more investigation of the Russia Trump connection. Um. 412 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 1: I always come back to based on what it says, though, 413 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: when I talk to people and I take this position 414 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: of I would like to know why this conspiracy isn't 415 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: mocked and ridiculed the way other conspiracies tend to be. 416 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: And I'm giving no evidence other than Trump is a 417 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,439 Speaker 1: bad person. I hate his policies, and and those aren't 418 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: data points that convinced me just, oh well, Trump is 419 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: so bad, this is what happened. There's such a certainty 420 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: in so many different quarters of the media, there's such 421 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 1: a definitive tone about how if we just look more, 422 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 1: we're going to find all this terrible stuff about Trump. 423 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,479 Speaker 1: And he turns around and says, when you look at 424 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: the information that's been provided forget about the Trump tweets 425 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: for a second, because I don't. I can't tell you 426 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: that I think that Obama did this or that he 427 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: ordered this, and that's not that would be out of 428 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: the ordinary, that would be strange. But look more specifically 429 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: at the possibility of a d o J report or sorry, 430 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: I d o j effort to find out what's going 431 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 1: on with Trump advisors that do have ties to shady 432 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: political party in Ukraine, Russian interlocktors, Russian intelligence officers. Why 433 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 1: would the why would the Times be lying about that then? 434 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,239 Speaker 1: And I have no I have no answer for you 435 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: on that. If they're making that up, wouldn't that then 436 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: discredit all the other reporting about Russia? Too? So we're 437 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 1: now going to selectively assume that there's some portion of 438 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: the most major or the the Washington Post in New 439 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,120 Speaker 1: York Times, the two most major anti Trump papers out there, 440 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: there's some portion of them that suggest that what they're 441 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: just making it up, sometimes not all the time. Well 442 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: that's a terrifying set of circumstances, isn't it. Now Now 443 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: we're going to be told that the newspapers only lie 444 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: when it's they're telling the truth when it hurts Trump, 445 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: They're they're lying if a story then turns around and 446 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: is favorable to the Trump administration. Not even that this 447 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: is favorable, it's just shows that there was If we're 448 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 1: talking about a conspiracy, well it seems pretty clear there 449 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: was a conspiracy on the part of the Obama administration 450 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: to spread uh classified information about Trump dealings with Russia 451 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 1: or somebody associated Russia as far and wide from within 452 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 1: the government as possible in order to leave quote breadcrumbs 453 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: or a trail or whatever it is that they're saying, 454 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: so that Trump couldn't cover this up afterwards. This was 455 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: a real effort within government. There have been numerous leaks 456 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: that certainly are are illegal. Unless there's something again that 457 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: I'm missing or don't know, or on program I wasn't 458 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: read into, I don't know, but illegal leak is meant 459 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: to harm this presidency, and we are not given, uh, 460 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 1: we are not given any explanation as to why we 461 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: are to just discount entirely the previously accepted and established 462 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: reporting on this other than well, it's we we need 463 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: to move on. And you know, Trump is Trump is bad, 464 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: Trump is crazy. So um, I have to say the 465 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: calls for an investigation. To me, it's fine, investigate great, 466 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 1: I'd like to know more. But I also believe that 467 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 1: Trump administration should specifically go to d o J and 468 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: push this as a matter and if this is not correct, 469 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: if Trump is wrong here in some way, I would 470 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 1: want to know that too. So answers, we need answers, 471 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: and we need evidence, not just reporting on anonymous sources. 472 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: That's what we've had a lot of so far, and 473 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 1: it has gotten us into a place where I think 474 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: most people at home that are reading about this stuff 475 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 1: trying to learn about it, who do they believe? Who? 476 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 1: What do you? What? Can you believe? Now? What paper 477 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: is sacro sank to you? What? Well, maybe one, but 478 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: other than one? What news channel do you think is 479 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: not just trying to constantly undermine the administration and what 480 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: news show? It is a staggering set of circumstances we 481 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: are dealing with here eight four four to eight to 482 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,400 Speaker 1: five on the phones, Team, Buck, I've got a lot 483 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: more for you want to hear from you two. We'll 484 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 1: be back right after this break. All right, team, welcome back. UH. 485 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,360 Speaker 1: So we're gonna play some of the audio from these 486 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: various senior officials for you, UM, but we're having a 487 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:42,719 Speaker 1: little bit of a of a tech issue on that, 488 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: so I'll just have to walk you through what some 489 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: of the some of the statements are that are being 490 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: made out there. First of all, you have David axel 491 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: Rod over the weekend, UH tweeting out that if there 492 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: was if there was such a thing as a wire 493 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: tap or if there was some uh action here. Um, 494 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: you know, if there was something going on, there must 495 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: have been a reason for it. That was one of 496 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: the initial lines that you saw, um, trickling out of 497 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: the Obama commentary at such as it is. They were saying, well, 498 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: there's no reason for anyone to get upset here, There's 499 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: no reason for anyone to be particularly worried about anything, 500 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: because clearly, if they were doing this, they had a 501 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: good reason to do it. And I say, uh, well, 502 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: that certainly remains to be seen. Other that's quite a 503 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: leap of faith. And then you also had Valerie Jarrett 504 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: who was sharing, oh wait, I've got breaking news here 505 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: before we continue go on this House Republicans released released 506 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: the text of the Obamacare replacement bill. I will have 507 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: to dive into this, my friends. We got breaking news 508 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: for you here on the show, um that the text 509 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: of the Obamacare replacement bill has now been released. Um, 510 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: all right, well that's interesting. There we go. They need 511 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: to go through this whole process repeal and replaced. Looks 512 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: like it may happen. I was concerned earlier today. I 513 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: was concerned earlier today when we were looking at this, 514 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: and there were some senators who were talking about they 515 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: how they didn't want Medicaid to go away for their 516 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: and these are Republican senators. So there are clearly some 517 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,239 Speaker 1: political headwinds that are at work here. There are some 518 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: political um issues that I was worried the Republicans might 519 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: not be able to work through cleanly. And it's still 520 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: this is a long way. This is just the House 521 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 1: releasing their Obamacare replacement bill. This is not a done deal. 522 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: It's not all finished yet. But I do think that 523 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: this is at least showing us that there's some progress here. So, uh, 524 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: now let's get into more of what's going on with 525 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: the response, the response now to everything that has been 526 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: happening with this series, this Trump twitter storm that's out there. Um, 527 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: they will stop at nothing to take down this present. 528 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: I think that much has become clear and there are 529 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: justifications now of all kinds of behavior that in the 530 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: past you would have thought, well hold on, there wouldn't 531 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 1: be this acceptance of And I know people don't like 532 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: the term deep state, and it comes from the Turkish 533 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: deep state, where there have been a series of coups, 534 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: real coups um, but that there are bureaucrats who have 535 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: stayed behind in the system who are fighting this leave 536 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: behind insurgency against the Trump administration should be concerning to 537 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: us because this is not the way it's supposed to be, 538 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: and that there is lawbreaking going on around. This is 539 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: not the way that it is supposed to be. But 540 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: because it involves Trump, we are increasingly told, well, you know, 541 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: that's fine. Because it involves Trump, we are told that 542 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: there's nothing, nothing, that we have to look at here 543 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: and and take any real moment of pause. It's just bad. 544 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: We know Trump is bad, and that's all that you 545 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: have to know about. And if it means that there 546 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: are people who are stepping out from within the bureaucracy, 547 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: who are doing bad things, who are being problematic here, 548 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: then their patriots. They're heroes. Josh Ernest who has asked 549 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: whether Obama administration officials were involved in the intel leagues 550 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: and what he said is quote, what I can tell 551 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: you is that the men and women of our intelligence 552 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: community are patriots. And these are professionals who have served 553 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: presidents and both administrations, and they took an oath to 554 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: protect this country and set aside their own political views 555 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: and that's what the men and women of our intelligence 556 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: community do, and they should be lauded for that. That's 557 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: a non answer if I've ever seen one. Um, that's nothing. 558 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: That's just not responding to the question at all. And 559 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: I think a more fair answer from Josh and his 560 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: former White House spokesman would be, well, you know, I 561 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: don't specifically know, but it certainly seems and he's not 562 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 1: going to say this, it certainly seems like there are 563 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: people who are left behind with the obamaministration that decided, 564 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, um, that they would take it upon 565 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: themselves to undermine this administration. Um. But we look now 566 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: at the various players, the actors all involved in this, 567 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: and they're saying that this is a They're they're claiming 568 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 1: that this is a right wing fever swamp crazy conspiracy 569 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: dreamed out that Trump would be under surveillance. And as 570 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: I said to you before, well we have to then 571 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: deal with the accusation that there were some Russia Trump 572 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: nexus going on, because if that is true, then he 573 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: should have been under surveillance, right. So why why do 574 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: they have this cognitive dissonance? They can't seem to move 575 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: from one to the other without changing the rules of 576 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: the game all of a sudden. I suppose it's theoretically possible. 577 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: I remember the Times are supporting on counterintelligence investigation, and 578 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: you've got Annie McCarthy over at National Review who was 579 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: writing months ago about the possibility of abuse of FISA 580 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: for political purposes. And you know, now you're getting into 581 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: a murky area of national security law. Very few people 582 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 1: really know much about it, Very few people have real 583 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: understanding of how all of this works. And yet the 584 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 1: potency of but one well timed leak to the press 585 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,439 Speaker 1: about a phone call, whether however it was achieved, we've 586 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 1: already seen in Yes, I know Flynn chose to resign, 587 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: and there wasn't anything specifically said about his conversation with 588 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,320 Speaker 1: the Russian ambassador. We didn't get the text. We didn't 589 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,320 Speaker 1: get the transcripts there. I think we should have. I 590 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: think that would have been worthwhile, would have been more 591 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:52,439 Speaker 1: interesting for us to know. Um, But they just told 592 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,840 Speaker 1: us with the conversation and that caused a flurry of 593 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: activity inside the White House that then led to a 594 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 1: national security advisor resigning within a few weeks. So they 595 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 1: know that this game will work very well against the 596 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 1: Trump team. That's already been established, and now they have 597 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: information about about ki yak Oh. So now we're here, 598 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 1: you've got Clapper saying as d N I that he 599 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 1: ordered no wire tap play clip five. Please would this 600 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,320 Speaker 1: be something you would be aware of? I would certainly 601 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: hope so I can say obviously I'm not. I can't 602 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 1: speak officially anymore, but I will say that for the 603 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 1: part of the National Security Apparatus that I oversaw as 604 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 1: d N I, there was no such wire tap activity 605 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,439 Speaker 1: mounted against the president, the president elect at the time, 606 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,439 Speaker 1: or as a candidate, or against this campaign. I can't 607 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:49,880 Speaker 1: speak for other Title three authorized entities in the government 608 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 1: or a state or local And you would be told 609 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: that if there was a fight, a court orders on 610 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 1: something like this, um, something like this absolutely and at 611 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: this point you've can't confirm or deny whether that exists. 612 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 1: I can deny it. There is no fight of corridor, 613 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 1: not not to my knowledge of anything of Trump Tower. No. Well, 614 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 1: I mean to my yeah, he says, to my knowledge. 615 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 1: I know he's trying to cover his bases and be 616 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 1: clear here, but um, this this is the dn I 617 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 1: coming out and saying that it absolutely positively did not happen. Well, then, 618 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: how is the New York Times reporting on conversations between 619 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: Trump officials and Russians using scene? So is that fake news? 620 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: Are those fake sources? What happened there? Because that's a 621 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 1: news report that any of you can read. It's out there, 622 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,439 Speaker 1: and it's it's phone conversations that are having. I don't 623 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: think the Russians are are taping this stuff and sending 624 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: into the New York Times. Maybe that would seem to 625 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: be pretty unlikely. So you have that aspect of this. 626 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 1: You've got Trey Gaudy out there saying, you know, we 627 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,399 Speaker 1: can't rely on anonymous sources. We need to get down 628 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 1: to an investigation here. Fourteen. Please play that one too. 629 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 1: Thank Congress is much better equipped to do investigations than 630 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,760 Speaker 1: journalists are. We can't rely on anonymous sources. We can't 631 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: rely on leaked information, classifying information, which in and of 632 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,320 Speaker 1: itself is a crime. So, with all due respect to 633 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 1: the reporters, I can't cross examine anonymous sources. You can't 634 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 1: even directly examine them. It's a lot easier to write 635 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 1: a newspiece than it is to conduct an investigation. What 636 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 1: Congress needs is access to the witnesses, access to the documents, 637 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 1: and to understand, we don't run parallel criminal investigations. We 638 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 1: have a job to do, but it is not to 639 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 1: investigate crime. Have you seen evidence that the Obama team 640 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 1: did surveillance at Trump Tower, No, sir. Have you seen 641 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,239 Speaker 1: evidence that the Trump team colluded with the Russians during 642 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:46,359 Speaker 1: the election last year? No, sir. And reports to the 643 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:51,879 Speaker 1: contrary have been described as demonstrably false to me by 644 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: people who would know. Now there are two propositions being 645 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: four to hear, both of which still have auro evidence. 646 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 1: But the important part of this, I think when you 647 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 1: look at the media narrative, is that on the one hand, 648 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 1: the media is willing to not just go forward and 649 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 1: continue looking but believe one side of this that there's 650 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 1: Russia collusion with Trump to throw the election, but on 651 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 1: the other side that there were surveillance of Donald Trump 652 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,439 Speaker 1: that is uh, not out there now. Of course, also 653 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 1: interesting that Donald Trump, because he's the president the United States, 654 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,479 Speaker 1: can declassify anything he wants as as just a matter 655 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 1: of course, this is something that a lot of people 656 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,760 Speaker 1: don't know. It's not often used for obvious reasons because 657 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,239 Speaker 1: the commander in chief usually isn't going to just go 658 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: around that process and tell people stuff that has been classified, 659 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 1: because you would hope that it's been classified for good reason. 660 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 1: But you know, we have to assume that Trump has 661 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,800 Speaker 1: mechanisms in place that he can go ask his national 662 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,280 Speaker 1: security team, he can go ask the head of the FBI. 663 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 1: Comby has come out and said this needs to be 664 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 1: pushed back on strongly. There needs to be enormous pushback here. Uh. 665 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 1: And and that the d o J the Department of Justice, 666 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:04,439 Speaker 1: should say that there is no merit whatsoever to this story. Now, 667 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,879 Speaker 1: of course it was but a few weeks ago when 668 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,839 Speaker 1: you had another part of the frustration everybody is, we're 669 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,359 Speaker 1: talking about all this stuff and it's based on news 670 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,319 Speaker 1: reports on anonymous sources, and we just you don't know. 671 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,839 Speaker 1: We're reading this, and we know that there are biases 672 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:21,719 Speaker 1: at work. We know there are papers that are pro 673 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 1: and papers that are anti Trump. I mean, certainly a 674 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 1: lot more that are anti than pro. But uh, and 675 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 1: we're being asked to draw conclusions here and forget about 676 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,399 Speaker 1: all of the stuff that we've seen up to this point, 677 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 1: forget about all the fake news that's been run, you know, 678 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,840 Speaker 1: the series of stories running papers like The Post, like 679 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:44,200 Speaker 1: the Times that are obviously anti Trump in their approach, 680 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,680 Speaker 1: and they tend to be wrong only in one direction. 681 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,799 Speaker 1: They're wrong when they're hurting the Trump administration. And I 682 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 1: do just I just want the facts here, you know, 683 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,760 Speaker 1: if there's something that's gonna be really bad for Donald 684 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 1: Trump as president, if the American people know what, I 685 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 1: want to know that thing. What. I don't want our 686 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 1: news stories that insinuate that this has happened, or there's 687 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: something sinister going on here, something evil, underhanded trees and this. 688 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know, um what it is that 689 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,759 Speaker 1: they think we're supposed to take from all of that 690 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:18,880 Speaker 1: other than Trump is bad. I mean that there's that, 691 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,279 Speaker 1: of course, But how are we supposed to go forward? 692 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,839 Speaker 1: What do they think is going to happen? Oh? Well, 693 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 1: because the New York Times thinks that maybe something bad 694 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,839 Speaker 1: has happened here, we need to get rid of this administration. 695 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,800 Speaker 1: It's just yeah, I mean, and people are getting hysterical 696 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:37,760 Speaker 1: about it then, and you got Mika on Morning Joe's 697 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 1: tearing up play it. If a wire tap did exist, 698 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,800 Speaker 1: it would have to have been approved by a FISA 699 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,560 Speaker 1: court based on real evidence. So if there was a 700 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 1: wire tap, doesn't mean there were suspicious things going on 701 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,359 Speaker 1: between the Trump administration and the Russians. It means there 702 00:40:54,480 --> 00:41:00,120 Speaker 1: was some in Trump Tower may have been acting as 703 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,640 Speaker 1: an agent of the Russians for whatever purpose, not necessarily 704 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 1: the election, but for some some purpose. And the FBI 705 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,880 Speaker 1: keeps track of people who act as agents of foreign governments. 706 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 1: They keep track of people who act as agents of 707 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,960 Speaker 1: the Chinese, the Russians, the Israelis, everybody. If if in 708 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,040 Speaker 1: fact there there were there were Russian banks that were 709 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,479 Speaker 1: connected to a server in Trump Tower, is it really 710 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,719 Speaker 1: so unthinkable that it could have gotten caught up in 711 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:28,080 Speaker 1: some sort of electronic surveillance. Uh As I keep saying, 712 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,000 Speaker 1: it wasn't unthinkabout. It was reported a while ago, but 713 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,759 Speaker 1: now the Trump is calling it out. We're told that 714 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,880 Speaker 1: this is all nonsense. All right, Um, We've got this 715 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 1: subject that we've been hitting pretty hard. I want to 716 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,440 Speaker 1: take a sauce to the executive order, and then we've 717 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 1: got Obamacare, Executive Order, Immigration, We've got Obamacare to talk about, 718 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:48,240 Speaker 1: and crazy left wing progressive protests in places all across 719 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,839 Speaker 1: the country, including Berkeley that I'm more coming up. Buck 720 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,120 Speaker 1: Sexton with America now where there is always something to 721 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,879 Speaker 1: talk about where you can trade opinions with Buck. I'm 722 00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,399 Speaker 1: not sure you'll win, though, Just call eight or four 723 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:07,399 Speaker 1: nine hundred Buck. That's eight four, four to eight to five. Alright, Buck, 724 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,880 Speaker 1: you're on. Buck Sexton with America now continues, Thank you 725 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,759 Speaker 1: so much for being here. We're going to get into 726 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,920 Speaker 1: the executive order that came down today in some detail. 727 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:21,280 Speaker 1: But first we're joined by well, an official White House 728 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,360 Speaker 1: official White House word on this. Here's we had to say. Alright, 729 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,400 Speaker 1: team Buck, we're back and joined now by Special Assistant 730 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,839 Speaker 1: to the President Boris Epstein. Boris, great to have you, Mann, 731 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 1: thanks for calling in to give us the administration view 732 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:39,360 Speaker 1: on what's going on there. All right, so let's start 733 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,880 Speaker 1: with we we've got to ask you about what the 734 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,840 Speaker 1: next steps are going to be in the AFT. I 735 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,120 Speaker 1: know we're all We're also going to talk about the 736 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 1: executive order on immigration and some of the other issues 737 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,520 Speaker 1: that have come up, including the investigations the FBI is 738 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,160 Speaker 1: undertaking right now that look at refugee specifically. We'll get 739 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,480 Speaker 1: to all that, but boris, first, what is going to 740 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,040 Speaker 1: be done to verify the information that was put out 741 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:06,719 Speaker 1: there over the weekend about possible uh interception of communications 742 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,600 Speaker 1: involving either Donald Trump, his associates and others during the campaign. 743 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,920 Speaker 1: How are we going to get to the truth here? Well, 744 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:14,920 Speaker 1: the publicly has been pretty clear that what needs to 745 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,880 Speaker 1: happen is that Congress, which is already conducting these reviews, 746 00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:22,760 Speaker 1: needs to encompass at these possible interceptions, possible surveillance of 747 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:27,520 Speaker 1: a privileged candidate by sitting opposing party into those reviews. 748 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,600 Speaker 1: And that's that's the next step, all right, So there 749 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,479 Speaker 1: that he wants to Congress to look into this. There's 750 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:37,040 Speaker 1: no official at this point official requests that's going from 751 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,799 Speaker 1: the commander in chief to the either the head of 752 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,520 Speaker 1: the Department of Justice or the the the D and 753 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:47,400 Speaker 1: I nothing directly saying I want access to those those 754 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,879 Speaker 1: alleged fire fis a warrants at the New York Times 755 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,880 Speaker 1: is reporting on. There's nothing that we know of with 756 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,640 Speaker 1: regard to that right now? Is that fair to say? 757 00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,200 Speaker 1: What I'd refer you to as the statement by by 758 00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:01,359 Speaker 1: the Press Secretary yesterday, by ourselves, by everybody he laid 759 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,239 Speaker 1: out specifically with the President's car inform clearly said that 760 00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:05,800 Speaker 1: that that was going to be the extent of the comment. 761 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,560 Speaker 1: And that's what that's what I just said, got you 762 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,960 Speaker 1: all right? So let's move to the latest on the 763 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,960 Speaker 1: Executive Order on immigration. Uh. We it's come out today. 764 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,399 Speaker 1: It addresses a lot of what the judicial problems were 765 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,640 Speaker 1: with it in the past, or what a few judges 766 00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,560 Speaker 1: and I know that refers to it. It makes it 767 00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,440 Speaker 1: seem like, well, the entire judiciary must have a few 768 00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,719 Speaker 1: judges out West had a problem with it. Okay, So 769 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,440 Speaker 1: now they've addressed some of the concerns that were expressed 770 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,680 Speaker 1: in that opinion by the three judges on the Ninth 771 00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,200 Speaker 1: Circuit panel. Uh, have you seen any have there been 772 00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,839 Speaker 1: any objections that you've seen that are concerning at this point? 773 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,520 Speaker 1: Or is the expectation of the administration that this will 774 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,480 Speaker 1: be considered to settle the Executive Order and go forward 775 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,240 Speaker 1: with it as planned in what is it two weeks 776 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:52,600 Speaker 1: that's yet March sixtu. That's absolutely the expectation. And by 777 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:56,000 Speaker 1: the way, the administration continues to believe that the original 778 00:44:56,239 --> 00:45:00,040 Speaker 1: executive Order was lawful and constitutional. Now the president and 779 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,680 Speaker 1: it's fully focused administration is fully focused on protective America, 780 00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:07,200 Speaker 1: making sure Americans are safe and secure and we do 781 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,440 Speaker 1: not allow terror into our country. So to that end, 782 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,600 Speaker 1: in today's executive water, there are specific differences from the 783 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,239 Speaker 1: previous executive ward, and as let's written, we are very 784 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,440 Speaker 1: confident that it needs that it will stay in and 785 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,360 Speaker 1: will continue working hard and moving forward as a country 786 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,480 Speaker 1: to be sure we're stafe and secure now. Clearly, this 787 00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,440 Speaker 1: time around there has been an effort to coordinate with 788 00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:32,160 Speaker 1: the various various agencies, so the rollout can't be considered 789 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,680 Speaker 1: to be haphazard. From that respect, I have seen some 790 00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,280 Speaker 1: criticism out there that well, why was there speed needed 791 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,839 Speaker 1: the first time around, and this time they're giving some 792 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,560 Speaker 1: advanced notice of it. I would assume that the speed 793 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:47,280 Speaker 1: is now that that people could figure out that once 794 00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,160 Speaker 1: you've tried it, if you have to revise it, well 795 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,279 Speaker 1: there's no more surprise, So we can we can put 796 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,399 Speaker 1: that out there or what what are the what are 797 00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:59,120 Speaker 1: the challenges then that remain for implementation of this. I 798 00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,760 Speaker 1: wouldn't see challenging to where we're seeing is a process, 799 00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,520 Speaker 1: is a process to implement that probably laid out in 800 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,239 Speaker 1: the memoriam and laid out in the executive order. Uh, 801 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,360 Speaker 1: and that's the conservation again Buck, the concentration is to 802 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:17,000 Speaker 1: make sure where America and Americans are protected and secure, 803 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,759 Speaker 1: and that's the key. Uh. And we don't want to 804 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,719 Speaker 1: let in folks want to held our country and that's 805 00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,440 Speaker 1: why I was married. Led executive order is specifically put 806 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,160 Speaker 1: in place at to that end. One of the objections 807 00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,400 Speaker 1: that the Panel of Judges had in the past with 808 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,520 Speaker 1: the first go round on this executive order had to 809 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,480 Speaker 1: do with the efficacy of it, that this wouldn't address 810 00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,359 Speaker 1: a national security concern, and there were people who were 811 00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,040 Speaker 1: raising the criticism of this that well, there there have 812 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,120 Speaker 1: been no or very few that they always changes depending 813 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:49,799 Speaker 1: on who's doing the speaking, Uh, incidents involving refugees specifically 814 00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,000 Speaker 1: in terrorism in this country. That, of course, since then 815 00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,239 Speaker 1: we found is is not a true statement. There have 816 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,480 Speaker 1: been a number of refugees involved in terrorist plotting, but 817 00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,880 Speaker 1: they say the numbers very small. That became the objection 818 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,680 Speaker 1: to this from some quarters. Now today reporting out that 819 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:07,000 Speaker 1: almost a third of the roughly one thousand US counter 820 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:12,080 Speaker 1: terrorism investigations under way, according to the FBI, involve refugees 821 00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,960 Speaker 1: in some capacity. That's a startling statistic. What can you get, 822 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,320 Speaker 1: what can you tell us about this. Over three hundred 823 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:22,759 Speaker 1: people who entered the United SI refugees are currently the 824 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:27,680 Speaker 1: subjects of counter terrorism investigations by the FBI. Over three 825 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:34,200 Speaker 1: it's tough to imagine the amount of destruction that could 826 00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:38,440 Speaker 1: be caused, right right, Let's remember there were only nineteen 827 00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:43,920 Speaker 1: hijackers or nine eleven. So this talk of numbers is 828 00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:48,440 Speaker 1: absolutely ridiculous. When one person, one person who's determined to 829 00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:53,040 Speaker 1: terror and hurt our country could do unfathomable damage. This 830 00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:57,080 Speaker 1: president is set of protective this country and that kind 831 00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,080 Speaker 1: of hypothetical from the left of world. There's only on 832 00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,000 Speaker 1: not so many people who your core impacted, but there's 833 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,560 Speaker 1: not so many people who need to protected from is 834 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:11,200 Speaker 1: detrimental to protect our country. Boris Epstein is an advisor 835 00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,920 Speaker 1: to the Trump White House. He joined us to tell 836 00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:15,960 Speaker 1: us what's going on down there in terms of policy. Boors, 837 00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:17,600 Speaker 1: thank you for making the time that I know you 838 00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,240 Speaker 1: guys are real busy. We'll talk to you soon. Thanks 839 00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:24,760 Speaker 1: Buck appreciative. So there we have the official White House word, 840 00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,400 Speaker 1: or I should say a White House official giving us 841 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,719 Speaker 1: the official White House word on this executive order, as 842 00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,879 Speaker 1: well as a few other things. Now, let me um 843 00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,040 Speaker 1: let me say this about the executive or that's come 844 00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:42,000 Speaker 1: down today. It has addressed. It's just a revised version 845 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,399 Speaker 1: of what you've already seen before. It's supposed to be 846 00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:54,120 Speaker 1: bolstering or national security by specifically eliminating removing the possibility of, 847 00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:58,359 Speaker 1: or to the greatest degree, possible terrorist infiltration of this 848 00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:03,000 Speaker 1: country using either refugee flows or coming from certain terror 849 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,480 Speaker 1: prone countries, countries that were singled out by the Obama 850 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:11,880 Speaker 1: administration fact as being countries of concern. Okay, well, that's 851 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,399 Speaker 1: that's where all this comes from. You remember the ninth 852 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:19,680 Speaker 1: Circuit three panel Judge put A stay. We talked about 853 00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:21,200 Speaker 1: it a lot. It was the first week of of 854 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,239 Speaker 1: me on this show, actually first week of Buck Sex 855 00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,359 Speaker 1: in American Now we had this all this breaking news 856 00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,640 Speaker 1: about the courts and the travel band. Now I shouldn't 857 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,160 Speaker 1: say travel ban. It it filters into your language. All 858 00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,560 Speaker 1: of a sudden, you find yourself in a place where 859 00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:38,000 Speaker 1: you're using the verbiage that the Left wants you to 860 00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,880 Speaker 1: because it's just how they write about it. And in 861 00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,520 Speaker 1: fact that I would say, I think the A. C. L. 862 00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:48,520 Speaker 1: You called this a a new Muslim ban. So they're 863 00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:52,239 Speaker 1: they're still saying that it's it's a band. They're still 864 00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:56,960 Speaker 1: saying that this Muslim ban is under way, despite the 865 00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,400 Speaker 1: fact that it's now not even seven it is six countries, 866 00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,279 Speaker 1: because they're Ra has been removed from it, and it's 867 00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,000 Speaker 1: a very small percentage over all the Muslim world. But 868 00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,240 Speaker 1: they looked at the problems the Ninth Circuit judges had, 869 00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:12,080 Speaker 1: which had to do with the due process for notification 870 00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,640 Speaker 1: for those traveling who already had a visa. Now they say, 871 00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,279 Speaker 1: if you already have a visa, you're good to go. 872 00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:21,560 Speaker 1: They looked at the problem of our Rocky ally feeling 873 00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,120 Speaker 1: like this was penalizing them, and especially at a point 874 00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,440 Speaker 1: where with the retaking of Moses, there's some critical joint 875 00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,759 Speaker 1: military operations underway in that country, and they looked at that. 876 00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,920 Speaker 1: They said, okay, we'll take Iraq off the list now 877 00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:38,400 Speaker 1: summer understandably looking at this and also saying, well, hold on, 878 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,840 Speaker 1: this is mainly driven by fears of fighting the Islamic 879 00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:46,200 Speaker 1: state of Iraq and Syria, and so if you're going 880 00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,280 Speaker 1: to focus on that as our enemy, isn't it fair 881 00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:54,959 Speaker 1: to say that maybe we shouldn't exclude Iraq from the list. Well, 882 00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,839 Speaker 1: the reason rock is excluded is not because it's not 883 00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,480 Speaker 1: a country with terrorism problems, but because of the relationship 884 00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,680 Speaker 1: between the US government and the Iraqi government, and also 885 00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:09,880 Speaker 1: some of the problems that came from not allowing specifically 886 00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,680 Speaker 1: Iraqi generals and allies and interpreters that had fought alongside 887 00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,359 Speaker 1: US and others to come to this country. So they 888 00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:21,359 Speaker 1: addressed that. They removed in the new executive Order the 889 00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:26,720 Speaker 1: religious Minority clause that some said was intended to help 890 00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:31,440 Speaker 1: Christians in predominantly Muslim countries who have been persecuted. They 891 00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:36,440 Speaker 1: removed that part of it. They removed um a number 892 00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:40,239 Speaker 1: of They went through this in every place where there 893 00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:45,279 Speaker 1: was an objection, a specific substantive objection raised by the 894 00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:50,040 Speaker 1: Ninth Circuit judges, three nine Circuit judges, they tried to 895 00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:55,279 Speaker 1: address this in some capacity. They took some action to 896 00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,640 Speaker 1: deal with it. And now I understand that this is 897 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,160 Speaker 1: of course going to be met with exactly the same 898 00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:06,440 Speaker 1: arguments that faced it before, even though you have this revision, 899 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:11,400 Speaker 1: even though it's in a place now where the administration 900 00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,719 Speaker 1: has said, Okay, well, if this is the problem they 901 00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,879 Speaker 1: had with it, that they'll will pull out, We'll pull 902 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,120 Speaker 1: the former order off the table will come up with 903 00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,839 Speaker 1: a new one, and a new one that specifically looks 904 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,680 Speaker 1: at the problems that were raised in the past addresses them. 905 00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:27,080 Speaker 1: You know, now if you have a VIZ, don't have 906 00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,400 Speaker 1: to worry about it. Now it's six countries, not seven. 907 00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:33,000 Speaker 1: Iraqa is off the list. Now, there's no permanent ban 908 00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:37,280 Speaker 1: on Syrian refugees. It's a ninety day a ninety day pause. 909 00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,520 Speaker 1: This is for ninety days. They're going to take a 910 00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,799 Speaker 1: review process and and of course they can on an 911 00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,920 Speaker 1: individual basis. Um on an individual basis, they can let 912 00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,520 Speaker 1: anyone in, but they're going to look at the processes 913 00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,680 Speaker 1: for vetting those who are coming into the country for 914 00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,759 Speaker 1: ninety days from six countries out of roughly you know, 915 00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,480 Speaker 1: the two hundreds and countries in the world. And this 916 00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,560 Speaker 1: is still being called the Muslim ban. In fact, I 917 00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:03,680 Speaker 1: read a piece that I published New York Times up 918 00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,640 Speaker 1: ed on how this is still all about banning Muslims 919 00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:11,760 Speaker 1: because it doesn't include as countries that are terrorism concerns. 920 00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:13,960 Speaker 1: And this is where you really start to just I 921 00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,640 Speaker 1: want to smack your forehead against the wall. It doesn't 922 00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:20,920 Speaker 1: include Venezuela or or sorry, it doesn't include Colombia. It 923 00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:25,680 Speaker 1: doesn't include um the Philippines, which is a predominantly Christian country, 924 00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:31,160 Speaker 1: although the most prominent terrorist group the Moral Islamic Liberation Front, 925 00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,239 Speaker 1: and there's an ISIS affiliate in the Philippines too. IS 926 00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,719 Speaker 1: is in fact a Muslim GIH hottest group, But it 927 00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,480 Speaker 1: doesn't include those countries. So it's it's bigot it it's racist. 928 00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,120 Speaker 1: This is what this op ed was saying. Well, no, 929 00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,240 Speaker 1: it's just a function of where do we have terrorist 930 00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:49,600 Speaker 1: groups that are actively plotting against the United States? It says, 931 00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,520 Speaker 1: though people who are taking this left wing line don't 932 00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,279 Speaker 1: seem to understand the difference between a terrorist group that 933 00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,840 Speaker 1: is using violence for the political purposes of a domestic 934 00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,200 Speaker 1: in surge, see i e. We we want to be 935 00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,960 Speaker 1: in charge in this country, so we're gonna blow up 936 00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,359 Speaker 1: government building, We're gonna blow up markets, or we're gonna 937 00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,880 Speaker 1: go into a village and pick people at random to execute. 938 00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:15,360 Speaker 1: That certainly happens outside of the context of jihadism and Islamism. 939 00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:19,560 Speaker 1: But the reason that we put a particular particular focus 940 00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,480 Speaker 1: on jihadism and Islamism, and therefore the countries that are 941 00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:26,520 Speaker 1: represented in this ban are Somalia and Yemen and Sudan 942 00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:32,800 Speaker 1: and Iran. It's because they are obviously based on recent decades, 943 00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,920 Speaker 1: never mind recent years coming after us. There are a 944 00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:42,160 Speaker 1: threat to us there there. While there is certainly terrorism elsewhere. 945 00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,400 Speaker 1: We can talk about the Lord's Resistance Army. There are 946 00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:48,040 Speaker 1: other terrorist groups, you know, there's the FARC in Colombia. 947 00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,319 Speaker 1: There are there are others who use violence for political ends. 948 00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,439 Speaker 1: But we do not have a concern that they are 949 00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:59,759 Speaker 1: trying to currently mount operations using a specific population of 950 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,480 Speaker 1: fugees by the way, to perhaps infiltrate into our country, 951 00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,000 Speaker 1: but to mount a mass casualty attack against the United 952 00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,480 Speaker 1: States and it's people. We have a very real concern 953 00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,320 Speaker 1: about that in these other instances, in these other cases. 954 00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,040 Speaker 1: So that objection about how this singles out Muslim majority 955 00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:19,920 Speaker 1: countries is this is just a reality of the modern 956 00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,360 Speaker 1: era we live in in which the primary strategic terrorist 957 00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:28,200 Speaker 1: threats to the United States come from these areas. They 958 00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:33,600 Speaker 1: do not. They do not come from non Muslim majority countries. 959 00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,040 Speaker 1: There are military there are military and intelligence threats from 960 00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:41,680 Speaker 1: other countries. Uh, There are military intelligence and there are 961 00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:43,880 Speaker 1: Muslim countries that are not on the list that do 962 00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,480 Speaker 1: have severe terrors and problems as well, by the way, 963 00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,840 Speaker 1: it should be noted, but we have we have concerns 964 00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,040 Speaker 1: about North Korea, we have concerns about Russia. UM, I 965 00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,600 Speaker 1: mean not just concerns. I mean these are certainly intelligence 966 00:55:55,719 --> 00:56:00,480 Speaker 1: and cybersecurity threats to US on China, uh, major military threats. 967 00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:05,040 Speaker 1: But that's different than terrorists plotting, right, terrorist plotting that 968 00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:11,560 Speaker 1: specifically uses civilian refugee flows or civilian visas to infiltrate 969 00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,640 Speaker 1: just a handful or even one individual into this country 970 00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,239 Speaker 1: for these purposes. And you know, there's a different calculation 971 00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,719 Speaker 1: being made about how the Democrats see this, how how 972 00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,719 Speaker 1: the left seasons in this country, and how conservatives see it. 973 00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:24,719 Speaker 1: I want to address it, but I'm gonna address it 974 00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,080 Speaker 1: on the other side of this break eight four four 975 00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:31,879 Speaker 1: nine to eight to five. We're talking Executive Order on Immigration, 976 00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,640 Speaker 1: the revised edition, and then we're gonna get into some 977 00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:38,799 Speaker 1: left wing lunacy at protests in Berkeley and elsewhere that 978 00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:41,160 Speaker 1: I'm more coming up. Buck Sex of America, Now continue, 979 00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:46,799 Speaker 1: stay with me, all right, seem welcome back to the 980 00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,400 Speaker 1: freedom huck right to have you here, really appreciate it 981 00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:53,239 Speaker 1: as always eight four for nine to eight to five. 982 00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:57,080 Speaker 1: You see, here's part of the issue. Here's where this 983 00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,960 Speaker 1: really starts to separate out, I think left and right, 984 00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,839 Speaker 1: and where the heart of much of this debate over 985 00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,879 Speaker 1: the Executive Order immigration, where it comes from. What's really 986 00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,880 Speaker 1: at the center of all of this is that I 987 00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,280 Speaker 1: think a lot of Americans, certainly a lot of conservative 988 00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,720 Speaker 1: a lot of Republicans take the perspective that if there 989 00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:21,760 Speaker 1: is even a a risk that refugees who may be 990 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:26,120 Speaker 1: entering the country, if there's even a risk of that 991 00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:31,000 Speaker 1: happening and resulting in terrorism, that we air on the 992 00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,720 Speaker 1: side of protecting U. S. Citizens if there is any 993 00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:39,800 Speaker 1: real concern that somebody may use that somebody may use 994 00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:43,920 Speaker 1: their refugee status or just be on visas from a 995 00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,520 Speaker 1: certain country and they'll come into America and will conduct 996 00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:49,600 Speaker 1: a terrorist attack, even though that there certainly are costs 997 00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,520 Speaker 1: to the refugee population that would be coming into the 998 00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:55,800 Speaker 1: country from this delay. Remember it's a delayed there's no 999 00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:59,600 Speaker 1: more ban. To say it's a ban is unfair, it's untrue. 1000 00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:06,680 Speaker 1: This is a delay. And to say that there's a 1001 00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:11,120 Speaker 1: a system in place here that is somehow discriminatory against 1002 00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:13,480 Speaker 1: Muslims is hateful towards Muslims, which, by the way, will 1003 00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,040 Speaker 1: be the court objection. That's what they're going to say. 1004 00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,920 Speaker 1: Some this is my prediction, some federal judge is going 1005 00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:20,160 Speaker 1: to come out now and say, well, this is a 1006 00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:24,520 Speaker 1: First Amendment you know, violation. Um, this is a problem 1007 00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:30,160 Speaker 1: for that reason. And if if, in fact, uh, that 1008 00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,400 Speaker 1: is what happens, I think we'll have to revisit this issue, 1009 00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:36,080 Speaker 1: because then it also raises what where did the courts 1010 00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:39,680 Speaker 1: get to weigh in on national security judgment? Is it 1011 00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,160 Speaker 1: now able the second guest the commander in chief on 1012 00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:45,600 Speaker 1: any issue of national security. Um, that has to do 1013 00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:47,720 Speaker 1: with judgment. I'm not talking about whether it's within his power. 1014 00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,800 Speaker 1: I'm talking they don't like the choice. You know, if 1015 00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:56,000 Speaker 1: if there's a particularly acute threat of terrorism from a 1016 00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:58,560 Speaker 1: number of Muslim majority countries, according to the commander in chief, 1017 00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,240 Speaker 1: how are the federal courts supposed to look or how 1018 00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:02,680 Speaker 1: are they able to look at that and say, well, 1019 00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,680 Speaker 1: it's wrong? How are they able to look at that 1020 00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:12,400 Speaker 1: and claim that somehow, Um, they're in a better position 1021 00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:16,680 Speaker 1: to evaluate the value of the program itself that the 1022 00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,680 Speaker 1: president may have put into place. Uh, that's what they did. 1023 00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,960 Speaker 1: The last time around. They already have made the grounds 1024 00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,960 Speaker 1: of their argument pretty clear in this regard that they 1025 00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,600 Speaker 1: may find it. They may they may decide um, they 1026 00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:35,760 Speaker 1: may decide that they're going to uh override the president's judgment, 1027 00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,080 Speaker 1: which is really not supposed to happen. That's not the 1028 00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:41,120 Speaker 1: way this is all supposed to work. We should not 1029 00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:42,800 Speaker 1: be in a position. We should not be in a 1030 00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:48,400 Speaker 1: place where, um, the judges feel like the federal judges 1031 00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:52,800 Speaker 1: of any on any circuit anywhere, are second guessing the 1032 00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:59,080 Speaker 1: president's national security decisions. That aren't a question of well, 1033 00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:02,400 Speaker 1: it's on law awful or he's exceeding his authority or no, 1034 01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:04,520 Speaker 1: they're saying, we think it's a bad idea. Well, thinking 1035 01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:07,720 Speaker 1: it's a bad idea doesn't give them the grounds to 1036 01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:11,280 Speaker 1: overrule the commander in chief. That's what I think we're 1037 01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,120 Speaker 1: going to see happening here though. But also this shows 1038 01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:16,320 Speaker 1: you once again that when it comes to what the 1039 01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:20,080 Speaker 1: Democrats will absolutely go to the mat for what they 1040 01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:24,840 Speaker 1: believe so strongly in and the extent that they're willing 1041 01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:30,080 Speaker 1: to go here for non US citizens, for non US 1042 01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:33,880 Speaker 1: citizens specifically, they believe that this is such an important 1043 01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:36,880 Speaker 1: struggle they'll take this, although I think they'll take this 1044 01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,439 Speaker 1: all the way up to the Supreme Court um and 1045 01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:43,840 Speaker 1: despite the narrow, narrow version of this executive order and 1046 01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:48,240 Speaker 1: the more tailored approach that it takes, they'll find an objection. 1047 01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:50,360 Speaker 1: The objection will be ideological, and I think a lot 1048 01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,560 Speaker 1: of Americans will look at this and say to themselves, so, 1049 01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,600 Speaker 1: we're supposed to take a risk, apostible risk of a 1050 01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:59,840 Speaker 1: refugee infiltration, maybe with the Islamic State or some other group, 1051 01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:04,360 Speaker 1: and what exactly is going to be the benefit of 1052 01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:06,920 Speaker 1: the American people of this. We're supposed to do this 1053 01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,600 Speaker 1: just because we need to be so generous and kind. 1054 01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:12,920 Speaker 1: Our refugee program is not a suicide pact, and we 1055 01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:14,960 Speaker 1: shouldn't be taking any risks from it. I think a 1056 01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:17,280 Speaker 1: lot of people come away from it thinking just that 1057 01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:21,520 Speaker 1: more come and stay with you. The things that matter 1058 01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:24,520 Speaker 1: most in your day to day life are too important 1059 01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,120 Speaker 1: to trust to just anyone. That's that's why, that's why 1060 01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:33,400 Speaker 1: he's here. Bud Sexton with America Now, Sharp Mind, Strong voice, 1061 01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:37,680 Speaker 1: Bud Sexton, Welcome back to Buck Sexton with American Now. 1062 01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:41,160 Speaker 1: Everybody eight four four hundred to eight to five eight 1063 01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:44,080 Speaker 1: four four nine hundred buck. What do you think about 1064 01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:47,680 Speaker 1: all the stuff going on today? Everybody. We've got his 1065 01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:52,360 Speaker 1: accusation from Trump about surveillance. Then you've got Executive Order 1066 01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:57,760 Speaker 1: on immigration revised Executive Order on immigration that has come down. 1067 01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:04,360 Speaker 1: And you've got now also the House putting forward the 1068 01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,440 Speaker 1: text of their Obamacare replacement bill. So I've got the 1069 01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,280 Speaker 1: the from the House website here, they've got the bullet 1070 01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:12,640 Speaker 1: points of all this. And this is this is important 1071 01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:15,080 Speaker 1: because there have been concerns, and I think they're very 1072 01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:22,360 Speaker 1: understandable concerns in recent weeks about whether or not um 1073 01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:26,280 Speaker 1: the Republicans were really ready to go on this. There 1074 01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:32,000 Speaker 1: have been concerns that the Republicans are in a in 1075 01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:35,120 Speaker 1: a more difficult position, or perhaps losing a bit of 1076 01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:39,640 Speaker 1: their backbone. And I think at least now we can 1077 01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,680 Speaker 1: say that there's momentum, Uh, there's momentum in the House 1078 01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,600 Speaker 1: to get something done here, because we know that Republicans 1079 01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,280 Speaker 1: have been running on repeal and replace for quite some time. 1080 01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:53,040 Speaker 1: That's been the promise. And everybody realizes that Obamacare isn't 1081 01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:55,840 Speaker 1: what I shouldn't say, everybody right, anyone who's being honest 1082 01:02:55,880 --> 01:03:00,000 Speaker 1: realizes that Obamacare isn't what it was supposed to be. Uh, 1083 01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:05,200 Speaker 1: but I digress. Uh. It certainly hasn't held down costs 1084 01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:07,640 Speaker 1: the way it was supposed to. You couldn't as you know, 1085 01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:09,240 Speaker 1: if you like your plan, you can keep your plan. 1086 01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:14,240 Speaker 1: Was not true. Uh, there's any number of places where 1087 01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,920 Speaker 1: the law has failed to live up to what it 1088 01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:22,360 Speaker 1: promised to do. Um. So now we look at what 1089 01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,080 Speaker 1: the bullet points from the House website say about the 1090 01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:27,160 Speaker 1: House plan here. Now, of course this has to go 1091 01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:28,960 Speaker 1: through the Senate, has to be passed. There are a 1092 01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,640 Speaker 1: lot of steps in this whole process, but it says 1093 01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:35,560 Speaker 1: it dismantles the Obamacare taxes. So this has been a 1094 01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:38,640 Speaker 1: huge part of this. By the way, we've been hearing 1095 01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:46,040 Speaker 1: for quite some time, UM about Obamacare's inability to provide 1096 01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:48,400 Speaker 1: the first of all, that the family exchanges, and how 1097 01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:50,320 Speaker 1: this is all just a big scheme for the redistribution 1098 01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:53,520 Speaker 1: of wealth. You get all that, but also all of 1099 01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:56,720 Speaker 1: the taxes included in it, and taxes on prescription drugs, 1100 01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:01,280 Speaker 1: taxes on medical devices Tfically, that's gotten a bit more 1101 01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:05,600 Speaker 1: attention recently that Obamacare had a whole series of taxes, 1102 01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:08,440 Speaker 1: and these were taxes that we're falling on, yes, on 1103 01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:12,280 Speaker 1: industry and on commercial entities, but also on the middle class. 1104 01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:16,200 Speaker 1: That Obamacare is really a series of large tax increases 1105 01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:18,040 Speaker 1: on the middle class. And for a lot of people 1106 01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:23,040 Speaker 1: who are in these exchanges, they understand quite well, they 1107 01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:28,560 Speaker 1: understand very acutely that they're subsidizing others in the exchange, 1108 01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:30,520 Speaker 1: because if you make too much money for a subsidy, 1109 01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:34,240 Speaker 1: but you're in the individual exchange, you're paying a lot 1110 01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:36,480 Speaker 1: of money that you are being forced to buy a 1111 01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:39,560 Speaker 1: product with that money, a product you don't want. And 1112 01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:41,960 Speaker 1: there's in many states only one exchange. Do you have 1113 01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:45,920 Speaker 1: very little choice? And then they turned around and tell 1114 01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:47,680 Speaker 1: you what you should be so grateful and so thankful. 1115 01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:50,800 Speaker 1: Look what Obama's Obamacare has done for you. It's nottime. 1116 01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:53,040 Speaker 1: It's not just obomba, right, Nancy Pelos. In the Congress, 1117 01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,560 Speaker 1: they passed this, parts of it only passed through the 1118 01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:59,080 Speaker 1: budgetary process known as reconciliation, but they did get it through. 1119 01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:02,360 Speaker 1: Uh it also okay, but back to the House website, 1120 01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,720 Speaker 1: what they're saying, so it gets rid of the Obamacare taxes. 1121 01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:09,200 Speaker 1: So in a sense, repeal interplace involves uh tax cuts. 1122 01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:15,880 Speaker 1: Uh it eliminates the individual and employer mandate penalties. So 1123 01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:18,640 Speaker 1: there you go. Now, now you don't if you eliminate 1124 01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:23,000 Speaker 1: the individual mandate. This was always the concern, by the way, 1125 01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:24,640 Speaker 1: when it went to the Supreme Court. If you limited 1126 01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:28,000 Speaker 1: the individual mandate, how do you even have Obamacare anymore? 1127 01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:32,000 Speaker 1: This whole thing is premised on forcing people to buy 1128 01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:33,600 Speaker 1: a plan, and if they don't buy a plan, they 1129 01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:36,440 Speaker 1: pay will either a fine or a tax, depending on 1130 01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:38,360 Speaker 1: what day of the week it is. With the Supreme Court, 1131 01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:41,400 Speaker 1: sometimes they said it was a fine, sometimes they said 1132 01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:47,680 Speaker 1: it was a tax. So okay, Uh, they have decided 1133 01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:51,000 Speaker 1: they're going to eliminate the individual employer mandate. They want 1134 01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:54,920 Speaker 1: to establish a patient and state still. But anyway, so 1135 01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:56,600 Speaker 1: if they do that, they're going to have to have 1136 01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:59,840 Speaker 1: all mechanism for what the follow and what the replacement 1137 01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:03,640 Speaker 1: will is going to do, how how it will fill 1138 01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:08,040 Speaker 1: that hole, because you obviously can't keep the exchanges, you 1139 01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:11,000 Speaker 1: can't keep the central mechanism of this law in place. 1140 01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:14,840 Speaker 1: If you don't have an individual uh mandate penalty or 1141 01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:16,800 Speaker 1: you know, individual mandate, if you're not forced to buy 1142 01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:19,280 Speaker 1: health insurance, then you've got a whole other set of 1143 01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,800 Speaker 1: problems where people can wait until they get sick and 1144 01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:24,320 Speaker 1: then buy insurance right away. So the individual mandate was 1145 01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:28,720 Speaker 1: a fine to force people to buy insurance. Okay, so 1146 01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:33,400 Speaker 1: you've got the individual employer mandate penalty limited establish a 1147 01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:36,680 Speaker 1: Patient and State Stability Funds from the House website, which 1148 01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:40,040 Speaker 1: provides states with a hundred billion dollars to design programs 1149 01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:42,640 Speaker 1: that meet the unique needs of their patient populations and 1150 01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:49,560 Speaker 1: help low income Americans afford healthcare. Okay, Um, so this 1151 01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:53,959 Speaker 1: will deal with I'm assuming then this is this must 1152 01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,720 Speaker 1: be the Medicaid. This must mean that they're not allowing 1153 01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:00,880 Speaker 1: the Medicaid expansion to stay in place. I'm trying to 1154 01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:03,360 Speaker 1: I'm reading this of course, as this has been released 1155 01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:06,880 Speaker 1: while we were on air. Um it did. Okay. They 1156 01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,520 Speaker 1: say it dismantles the core aspects of Obamacare, including its 1157 01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:12,800 Speaker 1: subsidies to help people buy coverage, it's expansions of Medicaid, 1158 01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:15,600 Speaker 1: it's taxes, and it's mandates for people to have insurance. 1159 01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,200 Speaker 1: So the House buil at least is getting rid of 1160 01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:20,960 Speaker 1: the House replacement does get rid of the Medicaid expansion. 1161 01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:23,560 Speaker 1: So they're saying, now this is a Patient and State 1162 01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:26,840 Speaker 1: Stability Fund which is a hundred billion dollar to meet 1163 01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:30,080 Speaker 1: the unique needs of patient populations and help low income 1164 01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:35,640 Speaker 1: Americans afford healthcare. So instead of Medicaid, I'm assuming now 1165 01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:37,960 Speaker 1: what they're saying is they're gonna be maybe block grants. 1166 01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:41,160 Speaker 1: This hundred billion dollar States Patient and State Stability Fund 1167 01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:43,880 Speaker 1: will go to states and it'll be block grants, and 1168 01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:49,600 Speaker 1: then they can cover low income, low income Americans as 1169 01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:51,880 Speaker 1: they see fit on a state to state basis, as 1170 01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:55,160 Speaker 1: opposed to what we've currently had, where the federal government 1171 01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:59,040 Speaker 1: establishes the Medicaid guidelines and on states have to implement them, 1172 01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:02,240 Speaker 1: and this creates in ormous budgetary holes from this creates 1173 01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:08,600 Speaker 1: all kinds of problems. Um help Americans access affordable quality 1174 01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:12,360 Speaker 1: healthcare by providing a monthly tax credit between two thousand 1175 01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:15,200 Speaker 1: and fourteen thousand dollars a year for low and middle 1176 01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:18,439 Speaker 1: income individuals and families who don't receive insurance through work 1177 01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:23,479 Speaker 1: or a government program. Okay, so they're going to have 1178 01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:26,679 Speaker 1: a tax credit in place, now, I said, this would 1179 01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:30,960 Speaker 1: it seems to me deal with the one of the 1180 01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:34,280 Speaker 1: core problems of our healthcare system up to this point, 1181 01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:36,120 Speaker 1: of our health insurance system up to this point, which 1182 01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:38,680 Speaker 1: has been that there's an incentive to get it from 1183 01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:41,960 Speaker 1: your employer. That employers aren't a much better position to 1184 01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:44,880 Speaker 1: buy and give healthcare to their employees than employees are 1185 01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:47,920 Speaker 1: to just go out and buy the plan that they want. 1186 01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:52,800 Speaker 1: So a tax credit for low and middle income individuals 1187 01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:55,920 Speaker 1: who don't receive insurance through work and from this is 1188 01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:59,120 Speaker 1: tax credit then for individuals to buy an individual plan 1189 01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:02,040 Speaker 1: or for individuals buy a family plan that's not given 1190 01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:05,280 Speaker 1: to them by their offered by their employer. It seems 1191 01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:06,960 Speaker 1: like it could be better now already there's so it 1192 01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:10,439 Speaker 1: seems like these are a lot of very important steps 1193 01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:13,800 Speaker 1: in this process. Uh there are. Let's see, we have 1194 01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:17,639 Speaker 1: your four GOP senators on Monday told Mitch McConnell they'll 1195 01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:20,400 Speaker 1: vote against any Yeah. See, this is the pushback I 1196 01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:24,840 Speaker 1: mentioned before I saw this any Obanacare repeal that eliminates 1197 01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:29,320 Speaker 1: the healthcare laws Medicaid expansion. They are Rob Portman, Senator 1198 01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:34,720 Speaker 1: Portman of Ohio, Gardener of Colorado, Capital of West Virginia, 1199 01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:40,160 Speaker 1: and Murkowski of Alaska. Um. They you see this is 1200 01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:43,000 Speaker 1: this was always part of the issue here and this 1201 01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:45,960 Speaker 1: is why when you look back at that Supreme Court 1202 01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:49,880 Speaker 1: ruling on Obamacare, and it's said that you can't you 1203 01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:54,240 Speaker 1: can't tell states they have to expand their Medicaid roles 1204 01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:57,720 Speaker 1: or else lose all Medicaid funding. That is overly coercive 1205 01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:01,320 Speaker 1: of the states. Um. But now, what what do you 1206 01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:03,920 Speaker 1: see here is that that part of the problem there, 1207 01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:07,559 Speaker 1: uh is now we're seeing the end result of it here, 1208 01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:10,960 Speaker 1: meaning that they expanded Medicaid in these states. And now 1209 01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:15,280 Speaker 1: you have a large numbers of of individuals and voters 1210 01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:18,839 Speaker 1: in these states who are used to getting free healthcare 1211 01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:23,240 Speaker 1: because Medicaid is is a health welfare program. They're used 1212 01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:27,800 Speaker 1: to getting Medicaid, and if you pull that away from them, 1213 01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:30,040 Speaker 1: even if you're promising to replace it with something else, 1214 01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:32,519 Speaker 1: or if there's some other mechanism you're setting up for 1215 01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:36,240 Speaker 1: them to get healthcare, you could face at the state 1216 01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:39,639 Speaker 1: level something of a political revolt. So these are these 1217 01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:42,320 Speaker 1: GOP centers. I knew this was gonna happen. Some senators 1218 01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:46,559 Speaker 1: are worried about the Medicaid expansion, and of course the 1219 01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:49,000 Speaker 1: federal dollars that go into all of this, and this 1220 01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:52,439 Speaker 1: is money for their constituents, and politicians are first and 1221 01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:57,320 Speaker 1: foremost concerned with how it is that they're going to 1222 01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:01,760 Speaker 1: get reelected. So okay, here we have some issues coming 1223 01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:04,240 Speaker 1: into the four Uh. Now, this is a long way 1224 01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:05,600 Speaker 1: from done. You're just gonna have to go through the 1225 01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:08,360 Speaker 1: Senate to get signed by Trump and and this is 1226 01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:10,040 Speaker 1: going to be a process. They've said it all along. 1227 01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:13,240 Speaker 1: I've say I've I've been worrying for a little while here. 1228 01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:15,360 Speaker 1: And this is a little off script or this is 1229 01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:20,759 Speaker 1: not a central theme of many of the GOPS talking 1230 01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:23,840 Speaker 1: points about all of this. I've been concerned for some 1231 01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:29,080 Speaker 1: time that a lot of Americans seem to believe that 1232 01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:33,960 Speaker 1: they we'll be able to get healthcare were a lot 1233 01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:36,479 Speaker 1: of us are used to paying not that much for 1234 01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:40,519 Speaker 1: our healthcare or finding ways for others to pick up 1235 01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:43,240 Speaker 1: a large part of the tab. And this notion that 1236 01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,600 Speaker 1: you can go in and pay twenty dollars for or 1237 01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:48,160 Speaker 1: ten dollars or whatever your co pay is and that's 1238 01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:49,559 Speaker 1: just what it's going to be and it's going to 1239 01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:54,320 Speaker 1: continue that way. Um, I don't know if competition and 1240 01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:57,800 Speaker 1: interstate competition itself is going to be able to fix 1241 01:11:57,880 --> 01:11:59,720 Speaker 1: many of these problems. You know, we're not even a 1242 01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:02,000 Speaker 1: dres Sing. So what I mean here is that their 1243 01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:05,439 Speaker 1: expectations that a lot of Americans have for what could 1244 01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:07,759 Speaker 1: happen if this was done better. Like Obamacare is a disaster, 1245 01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:12,560 Speaker 1: but what replaces it is not going to be a panacea. 1246 01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:15,800 Speaker 1: It's not going to just cure everything right away. There's 1247 01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:18,360 Speaker 1: still a lot of structural problems that they're gonna have 1248 01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:22,639 Speaker 1: to deal with, including tort reform on lawsuits against doctors 1249 01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:25,320 Speaker 1: that drive up costs. The whole way our health system 1250 01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:29,679 Speaker 1: is premised on doing tests for you know, tests for payment, 1251 01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:32,519 Speaker 1: and it's a means of a lot of you know doctors. 1252 01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:34,479 Speaker 1: I'm not some doctors I know I've talked to about 1253 01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:35,880 Speaker 1: this say, look, it's not that we're trying to run 1254 01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:37,960 Speaker 1: up costs on you, but if we don't do certain tests, 1255 01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:40,600 Speaker 1: it's really tied into tort reform. Because we don't do 1256 01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:42,040 Speaker 1: certain tests, and then you get really sick, you can 1257 01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:47,400 Speaker 1: turn around and sue us. And that's obviously a concern. 1258 01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:51,840 Speaker 1: So they ray and the costs keep going up and 1259 01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:53,960 Speaker 1: up and up as a result of this, and costs 1260 01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:58,040 Speaker 1: just keep getting higher and higher, and there will need 1261 01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:00,559 Speaker 1: to address some of these aspects. And I should also know, 1262 01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:04,000 Speaker 1: by the way that clearly there are some political realities 1263 01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:07,120 Speaker 1: that are taken into account by this House, this House 1264 01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:14,040 Speaker 1: Replacement bill, in that they they're allowing people, they're they're 1265 01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:17,760 Speaker 1: allowing the no pre existing conditions to stand, and they're 1266 01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:20,920 Speaker 1: also allowing people to stay on their parents insurance until 1267 01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:26,879 Speaker 1: they're one. So the two most popular features of healthcare 1268 01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:31,320 Speaker 1: law are preserved in the GOP House version of it. 1269 01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:37,400 Speaker 1: So you they realized that that was the most brilliant 1270 01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:41,040 Speaker 1: aspect of Obamacare in terms of getting it through and 1271 01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:43,599 Speaker 1: not it didn't wasn't sold that well the American people, 1272 01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:47,040 Speaker 1: but at least allowing there to be a a thin 1273 01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:50,640 Speaker 1: edge to the wedge, a a vanguard, a way to 1274 01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:55,439 Speaker 1: get people talking about things that automatically on TV they go, oh, 1275 01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:57,799 Speaker 1: A hold on a second, I think that prexisting conditions 1276 01:13:57,800 --> 01:13:59,479 Speaker 1: should be covered, and and I don't think that people 1277 01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:02,320 Speaker 1: should have these pre existing conditions that let place them 1278 01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:04,360 Speaker 1: out of market, that put them on the marketplace entirely. 1279 01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:09,400 Speaker 1: With all of that, um, now we see that the 1280 01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:12,680 Speaker 1: Republicans have learned a lesson here, which is that sometimes 1281 01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:16,080 Speaker 1: you've got to make adjustments for what the people want. 1282 01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:19,760 Speaker 1: And people do want prexisting conditions covered, and they just 1283 01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:21,960 Speaker 1: saying or your parents insurance to the twenty six seems 1284 01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:24,000 Speaker 1: excessive to me, But I don't know. I'm not twenty 1285 01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:26,519 Speaker 1: four anymore. So maybe if I were twenty or and 1286 01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:28,240 Speaker 1: I don't have kids, so maybe if I were younger, 1287 01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:31,400 Speaker 1: I would feel differently about how this how they should 1288 01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:33,920 Speaker 1: play out. But this is a very this is positive step, 1289 01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:37,120 Speaker 1: positive step in the House. Good to see a lot 1290 01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:41,280 Speaker 1: of the important aspects of what the Republicans have been 1291 01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:44,720 Speaker 1: saying they're gonna get through here are represented in this 1292 01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:48,400 Speaker 1: replacement bill. And we shall have to see how this 1293 01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:51,200 Speaker 1: how this goes then in the Senate on the Senate side, 1294 01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:54,000 Speaker 1: and how long it will take for this to truly 1295 01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:57,080 Speaker 1: be repealed and replaced, and we can start to see 1296 01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:58,800 Speaker 1: what it's like to be in a in a in 1297 01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:01,559 Speaker 1: an America where you can and pick the plan you 1298 01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:04,000 Speaker 1: want by the plan, and that is your healthcare plan, 1299 01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:07,360 Speaker 1: and there are some subsidies in place for those who 1300 01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:11,200 Speaker 1: need them, and there's no more prexisting conditions. But overall, 1301 01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:16,840 Speaker 1: it's a market based and free enterprise insurance system and 1302 01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:19,639 Speaker 1: you're no longer being told what's covered what's not by 1303 01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:21,640 Speaker 1: the government. Your plan is not going to be phased out. 1304 01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:23,640 Speaker 1: You have to worry about all that stuff that Obamacare 1305 01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:28,040 Speaker 1: has made an unpleasant reality for so many uh eight 1306 01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:31,080 Speaker 1: four four nine hundred to eight to five. Buck Sexton 1307 01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:35,080 Speaker 1: with American Out continues right after the break. So we 1308 01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:38,559 Speaker 1: got Kelly and Conway, senior counselor to this White House, 1309 01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:41,760 Speaker 1: who has I didn't play her sound bite earlier I 1310 01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:47,280 Speaker 1: wanted to. She weighed in on the the accusation of 1311 01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:50,320 Speaker 1: surveillance that Donald Trump has made, and here is what 1312 01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:54,160 Speaker 1: she said clip for does President Trump already know the 1313 01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:56,840 Speaker 1: answer to the question as to whether or not he 1314 01:15:56,960 --> 01:16:00,479 Speaker 1: was wire tapped? He may, as Senator Mark Warner Virginia 1315 01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:03,599 Speaker 1: said on a different show today, Janine, the president receives 1316 01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:06,280 Speaker 1: different intelligence than everyone else. But we know that we're 1317 01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:11,839 Speaker 1: politically motivated stories and investigations all through the campaign season 1318 01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:15,120 Speaker 1: and does come from credible news sources. And the President 1319 01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:16,400 Speaker 1: wants to get to the bottom of that. I mean, 1320 01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:19,240 Speaker 1: what is everybody afraid of? They want to investigate everything, 1321 01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:22,720 Speaker 1: even the attenuated stuff, and yet they're afraid of of 1322 01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:25,599 Speaker 1: connecting here what the President has asked for, which is basically, 1323 01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:29,479 Speaker 1: if you're going to investigate, continue to Russia Gate, Russia Russia, Russia, 1324 01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:33,200 Speaker 1: why not add to that an investigation of these allegations. 1325 01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:36,760 Speaker 1: So she's saying that he's going for an investigation. To 1326 01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:39,679 Speaker 1: be fair, Trump tweeted out of the weekend that Obama 1327 01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:42,840 Speaker 1: did this. So that's a little more than an investigation. 1328 01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:46,559 Speaker 1: But that's what's being that's what's being said. Um. Anyway, 1329 01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:50,120 Speaker 1: I look at this progress in Obamacare is good, and 1330 01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:52,680 Speaker 1: I do think that these issues are linked. I think 1331 01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:55,440 Speaker 1: that the stories about Russia. I think that the efforts 1332 01:16:56,080 --> 01:17:00,160 Speaker 1: underway to make that the centerpiece all the time is 1333 01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:04,840 Speaker 1: intended to not just divert the American people away from 1334 01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:08,080 Speaker 1: what the administrations trying to accomplish here with Obamacare and 1335 01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:10,720 Speaker 1: other things, but it's also meant to slow down the 1336 01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:13,560 Speaker 1: workings of government itself, slow down the workings of the 1337 01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:16,640 Speaker 1: White House really, I mean, not the vast federal bureaucracy 1338 01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:19,439 Speaker 1: that's going to do what it does really irrespective of 1339 01:17:19,479 --> 01:17:22,280 Speaker 1: what the Trump team wants them to do. UM. But 1340 01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:25,559 Speaker 1: I think what we see here once again is that 1341 01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:28,599 Speaker 1: the narrative really matters on the left and the narrative 1342 01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:30,960 Speaker 1: matters on the right as well. UM. It can either 1343 01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:35,240 Speaker 1: be that Russia owns the United States government, and there's 1344 01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:39,320 Speaker 1: some there's a huge conspiracy underway here, or it can 1345 01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:42,200 Speaker 1: be that we're trying to deal with matters of health 1346 01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:46,519 Speaker 1: care and give people better options paying less money for 1347 01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:50,040 Speaker 1: crappy healthcare, or paying less money rather and not getting 1348 01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:53,519 Speaker 1: crappy healthcare. Um, these are the things that I'd rather 1349 01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:56,280 Speaker 1: spend time talking with that quite honestly, I mean Trump 1350 01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:59,840 Speaker 1: tweet and who knew that this would be the prefer 1351 01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:02,479 Speaker 1: platform of a president of the United States as it 1352 01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:05,320 Speaker 1: has become. Um, But a Trump tweet on this issue, 1353 01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:10,439 Speaker 1: I have to say, is able to completely shift the 1354 01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:13,240 Speaker 1: news cycle and get us all talking about something else 1355 01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:15,640 Speaker 1: for a day or two. Some people think it's for 1356 01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:18,479 Speaker 1: DHS and that this is pushing back against the Russian 1357 01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:20,559 Speaker 1: artive in and of itself. I would like to spend 1358 01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:24,400 Speaker 1: more time on the actual policy and getting into what 1359 01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:28,719 Speaker 1: all of this means for us. I'd like my healthcare 1360 01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:30,599 Speaker 1: costs to go down. I'd like there to be less 1361 01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:37,200 Speaker 1: problems going forward with the implementation of healthcare reforms that 1362 01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:39,160 Speaker 1: will make it so that we can actually buy across 1363 01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:41,439 Speaker 1: state lines. Really just that you can buy the plan 1364 01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:43,720 Speaker 1: you want to buy without a bunch of bureaucrats telling 1365 01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:45,599 Speaker 1: you what you can and can't do. That's the essence 1366 01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:48,559 Speaker 1: of all this. You see, the Obamacare debate really comes 1367 01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:50,000 Speaker 1: down to the debate between left and right in this 1368 01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:53,120 Speaker 1: country in general right now, which is central state planning 1369 01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:57,200 Speaker 1: versus liberty and choice. The things that matter most in 1370 01:18:57,240 --> 01:19:00,000 Speaker 1: your day to day life are too important to try 1371 01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:03,000 Speaker 1: us to just anyone. That's that's why, that's why he's here. 1372 01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:09,839 Speaker 1: Bud Sexton with America Now, Sharp mind, strong voice, Bud Sexton, 1373 01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:15,800 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Buck Sexton with America Now, Pro Trump rally. 1374 01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:18,680 Speaker 1: This is a headline Washington Post pro Trump rally in 1375 01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:26,800 Speaker 1: Berkeley turns violent as protesters clash with the president's supporters. 1376 01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:32,240 Speaker 1: Oh my, okay, let's uh, let's dive into this together, 1377 01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:36,559 Speaker 1: shall we. There's so much here. First of all, rally 1378 01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:41,280 Speaker 1: doesn't really turn violent. We can all understand that. Or 1379 01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:44,120 Speaker 1: this is like a a murderer saying, you know, I 1380 01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:46,880 Speaker 1: was near the victim and and then the knife went in. No, 1381 01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:51,200 Speaker 1: you stabbed the person. And this was a pro Trump rally. 1382 01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:54,519 Speaker 1: And if you see the footage of it, and here's 1383 01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:56,120 Speaker 1: some of the audio of it, will place in that 1384 01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:58,680 Speaker 1: audio for you in a moment here this is a 1385 01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:04,840 Speaker 1: pro Trump rally in which, um, things got really bad. 1386 01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:10,800 Speaker 1: Now we can understand that while the media doesn't want 1387 01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:15,000 Speaker 1: to necessarily paris this, there are people out there who 1388 01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:20,040 Speaker 1: believe that attacking Trump supporters is like Nazi punching, meaning 1389 01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:23,120 Speaker 1: that you're punching a Nazi. So it's okay. And this 1390 01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:26,360 Speaker 1: has been gaining traction. And dare I say, as the 1391 01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:30,639 Speaker 1: left tends to say about these things normalization, this has 1392 01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:33,200 Speaker 1: been in the process of being normalized by the left 1393 01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:37,439 Speaker 1: for quite some time that violence against Trump protesters is 1394 01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:43,240 Speaker 1: I'm sorry Trump supporters is acceptable and even necessary, is 1395 01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:47,680 Speaker 1: even called for. And when you have that as a backdrop, 1396 01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:54,680 Speaker 1: it's not surprising that you would see situations and here, 1397 01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:57,920 Speaker 1: situations like the following at Berkeley over the weekend where 1398 01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:17,200 Speaker 1: things got finally blake clip two. Okay, so you got 1399 01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:19,920 Speaker 1: the idea. Lots of lots of cursing, that's we believe, 1400 01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:25,040 Speaker 1: of course, lots of shoving and pushing and punching. There 1401 01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:29,320 Speaker 1: were arrests a number of arrests for people, um, including 1402 01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:33,040 Speaker 1: one who had a dagger. You had five arrested for battery, 1403 01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:37,120 Speaker 1: four for assault with a deadly weapon. Some resisting arrest. 1404 01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:42,719 Speaker 1: Items confiscated from the crowd, metal pipes, baseball bats, two 1405 01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:48,120 Speaker 1: by four, blocks of wood, bricks, and of course that dagger. Uh, 1406 01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:52,040 Speaker 1: that's not about free speech, that's not about the free 1407 01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:57,400 Speaker 1: exchange of ideas. Has nothing to do with any of that, 1408 01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:01,280 Speaker 1: does it. This is about intimidation and violence. This is 1409 01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:05,240 Speaker 1: about a left wing that has found itself increasingly willing 1410 01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:08,720 Speaker 1: not just to tolerate violence within its ranks, but to 1411 01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:13,920 Speaker 1: have a bit of swagger about it. To think that 1412 01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:17,519 Speaker 1: this is to be a true radical means taking it 1413 01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:21,040 Speaker 1: upon yourself to go, as I said before, Nazi punching, 1414 01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:24,160 Speaker 1: because anybody who supports Trump has to be a part 1415 01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:27,679 Speaker 1: of in the left construct of all this, the alt 1416 01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:31,160 Speaker 1: right and the alt right, which is the much magnified 1417 01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:35,559 Speaker 1: by the media contingent of Trump supporters, that also then 1418 01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:40,040 Speaker 1: turn into well, the white nationalists now control the Republican 1419 01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:42,280 Speaker 1: Party because the white nationalists control the al threat, and 1420 01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:44,960 Speaker 1: the alt right controls Trump, and Trump controls the Republican Party. 1421 01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:47,919 Speaker 1: This is the way they go in this big circle. Meanwhile, 1422 01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:51,519 Speaker 1: the alt right is something that I follow politics very closely, 1423 01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:56,240 Speaker 1: and I had not even heard of until so this 1424 01:22:56,320 --> 01:23:02,519 Speaker 1: is not some longstanding major movement. It's not anything that 1425 01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:05,639 Speaker 1: anybody was paying attention to until all of a sudden 1426 01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:08,080 Speaker 1: the media decided that it was worthy of a lot 1427 01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:11,240 Speaker 1: of attention. Um. But they have also there have been 1428 01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:13,320 Speaker 1: all these incidents, and you can see the audio and 1429 01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:16,519 Speaker 1: the video of it yourself, where somebody who's a Trump 1430 01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:21,080 Speaker 1: supporter is attacked and they say, you know, they will 1431 01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:24,080 Speaker 1: either say the person is a Nazi or the uh. 1432 01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:26,519 Speaker 1: And if they attack somebody who's a member of the 1433 01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:29,320 Speaker 1: alts right, who really is a member of the alt right, 1434 01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:32,439 Speaker 1: you'll see the response on social media, which is, well, 1435 01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:34,320 Speaker 1: you know, that person had it, they had it coming. 1436 01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:37,479 Speaker 1: And he said yourself, well, look I don't. I don't. 1437 01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:39,960 Speaker 1: I'm not okay with the alt right, and I'm certainly 1438 01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:45,639 Speaker 1: not okay with people who are white nationalists, but I'm 1439 01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:47,519 Speaker 1: also not okay with punching somebody in the face because 1440 01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:49,519 Speaker 1: you don't like what they say. You know, this is 1441 01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:52,479 Speaker 1: preschool level stuff. This is pretty straightforward. There's not a 1442 01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:54,960 Speaker 1: lot of leeway leeway here. There's not a lot of 1443 01:23:54,960 --> 01:24:00,240 Speaker 1: confusion should be had. This is really obvious stuff, which 1444 01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:03,080 Speaker 1: is that you aren't allowed to hurt somebody because you 1445 01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:07,000 Speaker 1: don't like what they're saying. And yet when it comes 1446 01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:09,960 Speaker 1: to Trump, you see this with progressives, and isn't it fastening? 1447 01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:14,519 Speaker 1: Not only is Berkeley the so called birthplace of the 1448 01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:19,120 Speaker 1: free speech movement on with the college campuses and back 1449 01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:22,800 Speaker 1: in the sixties, UM, but also you think of the 1450 01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:27,639 Speaker 1: Berkeley area as very incredibly progressive, perhaps the only place 1451 01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:32,160 Speaker 1: more or nearly as progressive in its politics. I don't know, 1452 01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:34,920 Speaker 1: some parts of New York City, where I am pretty progressive, 1453 01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:39,880 Speaker 1: but the Bay Area of California, Berkeley, San Francisco, very 1454 01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:43,720 Speaker 1: very left wing. You think, therefore, because they talk so 1455 01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:48,920 Speaker 1: much about tolerance and being loving and inclusion and diversity 1456 01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:53,960 Speaker 1: and acceptance, that that also wouldn't be the place where 1457 01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:56,880 Speaker 1: you see, as we have seen in recent years some 1458 01:24:56,960 --> 01:25:01,160 Speaker 1: of the most nasty, vicious, violent anti police protests in 1459 01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:05,760 Speaker 1: the country in Oakland, you've seen this happen UM and 1460 01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:09,960 Speaker 1: other parts of the Bay Area as well. UM Efforts 1461 01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:14,719 Speaker 1: to intimidate and destroy property and set fire, set fire 1462 01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:17,040 Speaker 1: to things on campus to prevent speakers from coming. That 1463 01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:19,840 Speaker 1: happened in recent weeks. As you know, irrespective of who 1464 01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:23,040 Speaker 1: the speaker was, a normal person, a well adjusted person, 1465 01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:25,760 Speaker 1: a person who respects the First Amendment and the free 1466 01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:30,639 Speaker 1: exchange of ideas does not bar the door and light 1467 01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:34,920 Speaker 1: someone else's car or whatever it is on fire and 1468 01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:37,040 Speaker 1: create all this destruction. We saw this in d C 1469 01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:43,400 Speaker 1: during the inauguration week. The left progressives came in and 1470 01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:47,840 Speaker 1: lit things on fire, destroyed property, acted out in a 1471 01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:53,679 Speaker 1: destructive and childish and totalitarian fashion. And I don't think 1472 01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:56,679 Speaker 1: it's a stretch. I don't think it's pushing too hard 1473 01:25:56,760 --> 01:25:58,360 Speaker 1: to look at this and say, well, we've had eight 1474 01:25:58,479 --> 01:26:04,479 Speaker 1: years of an Obi administration that that really tried hard 1475 01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:12,360 Speaker 1: to mainstream pretty radical protest movements. UM was always willing 1476 01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:14,640 Speaker 1: to take the of the approach of well, you know, 1477 01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:17,519 Speaker 1: a mostly peaceful protests, whether it was Ferguson or we 1478 01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:22,360 Speaker 1: saw in Baltimore. Administration was always minimizing the destruction that 1479 01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:28,040 Speaker 1: mayham the riots and giving the American people lectures on 1480 01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:31,080 Speaker 1: the need for the for the First Amendment. And then also, 1481 01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:34,080 Speaker 1: of course racism or some other isn't that was really 1482 01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:37,000 Speaker 1: at the heart of all The problem was never the 1483 01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:40,559 Speaker 1: contingent of quote protesters who were lighting things on fire, 1484 01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:45,320 Speaker 1: punching people, attacking things, attacking individuals, because there were others 1485 01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:47,160 Speaker 1: who weren't doing that, so we can just ignore those 1486 01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:51,360 Speaker 1: who do. The problem was the underlying systemic structural racism 1487 01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:55,839 Speaker 1: or Islamophobia, or sexism, or you name it. Whatever, whatever 1488 01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:58,120 Speaker 1: it was that week that the press decided or that 1489 01:26:58,160 --> 01:27:00,640 Speaker 1: the administration, working in concert with the pressed, aside and 1490 01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:05,439 Speaker 1: needed more of our attention. Um, and you had very 1491 01:27:05,439 --> 01:27:12,400 Speaker 1: senior administration officials who took interesting perspectives on this. You 1492 01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:18,400 Speaker 1: had a former a Gy Loretta Lynch saying that more 1493 01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:21,400 Speaker 1: protests are needed right now, play that clip please. I 1494 01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:23,120 Speaker 1: know that this is a time of great fear and 1495 01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:25,880 Speaker 1: uncertainty for so many people. I know it's a time 1496 01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:29,600 Speaker 1: of concern for people who see our rights being assailed, 1497 01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:32,920 Speaker 1: being trampled on, and even being rolled back. And it 1498 01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:37,839 Speaker 1: has been people individuals who have banded together, ordinary people 1499 01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:40,960 Speaker 1: who simply saw what needed to be done and came 1500 01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:44,479 Speaker 1: together and supported those ideals who have made the difference. 1501 01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:48,280 Speaker 1: They've marched, They've led, Yes, some of them have died. 1502 01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:52,840 Speaker 1: This is hard. Every good thing is we have done 1503 01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:58,599 Speaker 1: this before, we can do this again. Okay. I would 1504 01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:02,920 Speaker 1: like the former Attorney General of the United States, the 1505 01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:06,680 Speaker 1: recently out of office Attorney General the United States under 1506 01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:10,280 Speaker 1: the under the Obama administration, to explain what these rights 1507 01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:14,519 Speaker 1: are that are under assault, because the only things that 1508 01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:18,160 Speaker 1: I can think of where anybody who's making a real 1509 01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:21,160 Speaker 1: argument about rights and the endangering of rights that this 1510 01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:26,080 Speaker 1: administration is embarking upon would be in a few areas, 1511 01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:28,040 Speaker 1: and we should just take a moment and look at 1512 01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:34,080 Speaker 1: those areas, shall we? Uh? Transgender rights, well, transgender rights 1513 01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:38,080 Speaker 1: are so essential to the Obama administration and so obviously 1514 01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:42,080 Speaker 1: a human rights concern and a civil rights issue that 1515 01:28:42,160 --> 01:28:45,120 Speaker 1: it took Obama seven and a half years to give 1516 01:28:45,200 --> 01:28:48,200 Speaker 1: the guidance, for example, on schools and the usage of 1517 01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:51,760 Speaker 1: bathrooms for transgender students that he gave. So it was 1518 01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:55,760 Speaker 1: so obvious, so essential, so critical that seven and a 1519 01:28:55,800 --> 01:29:00,320 Speaker 1: half years passed without Obama doing anything, and now it's 1520 01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:03,080 Speaker 1: treated as though this is the great victory of the 1521 01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:05,800 Speaker 1: extension of the civil rights movement. And you have to 1522 01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:09,400 Speaker 1: say to yourself, well, why wouldn't this have been addressed 1523 01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:12,040 Speaker 1: more quickly if that were really the case. It's been 1524 01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:16,800 Speaker 1: a long time without trans quote transgender rights or transgender 1525 01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:19,800 Speaker 1: people do have rights, of course, all the same rights 1526 01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:21,960 Speaker 1: that you and I have, but they're looking for our 1527 01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:26,520 Speaker 1: additional rights rights that have just been created and fabricated 1528 01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:28,559 Speaker 1: out of whole cloth by the previous administration of this 1529 01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:32,600 Speaker 1: administration has not signed on for Okay, but maybe you 1530 01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:34,479 Speaker 1: could maybe make that case. But doesn't that seem a 1531 01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:37,040 Speaker 1: bit weak? Do we really need riots in the streets 1532 01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:42,440 Speaker 1: or or violence out in Berkeley against people peacefully supporting 1533 01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:45,519 Speaker 1: the administration because of transgender rights? I don't think so. 1534 01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:51,400 Speaker 1: Illegal immigrants, illegal aliens, their rights are not being respected. Well, 1535 01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:54,040 Speaker 1: Loretta Lynch was the highest law enforcement officer in the 1536 01:29:54,120 --> 01:29:58,960 Speaker 1: United States. If she felt that federal law which says 1537 01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:02,479 Speaker 1: that you cannot be in this country illegally, that's a 1538 01:30:02,479 --> 01:30:04,800 Speaker 1: pretty obvious statement, right, This is almost a tutology. You're 1539 01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:07,160 Speaker 1: not it is illegal to be it is not legal 1540 01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:09,680 Speaker 1: to be in the country illegally. But but the administration 1541 01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:13,559 Speaker 1: had to be reminded of this. They didn't seem to 1542 01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:17,120 Speaker 1: really care, and they believe that they under Obama were 1543 01:30:17,160 --> 01:30:18,920 Speaker 1: able to find a way around that law just by 1544 01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:23,400 Speaker 1: Obama's Penata's phone. So that's so, now we're supposed to 1545 01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:26,759 Speaker 1: be so concerned about those who are in the country 1546 01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:30,720 Speaker 1: illegally their rights being violated. Does that mean they have 1547 01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:32,439 Speaker 1: a right to do Does everyone have a right to 1548 01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:35,040 Speaker 1: be the United States? Who can just get here? That 1549 01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:38,040 Speaker 1: would seem to open up a whole bunch of issues, 1550 01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:43,280 Speaker 1: wouldn't it Okay? And then what's the other one? The 1551 01:30:43,400 --> 01:30:47,120 Speaker 1: right of non US citizens, non green card holders, non 1552 01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:51,400 Speaker 1: and those were don't have a pre existing visa, a 1553 01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:57,679 Speaker 1: previously obtained visa to travel to the United States. That's 1554 01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:00,559 Speaker 1: the where's the fear? I just want know or where 1555 01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:04,400 Speaker 1: are the rights being trampled on? Remember this was the 1556 01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:07,559 Speaker 1: I don't like to just make accusations and say things 1557 01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:11,880 Speaker 1: without giving you real evidence or real data to support 1558 01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:18,240 Speaker 1: the claim. And the radical progressive fringe for a long 1559 01:31:18,360 --> 01:31:20,960 Speaker 1: time now, for eight years of Obama's time in office, 1560 01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:25,760 Speaker 1: was given a lot of leeway to do things that 1561 01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:31,040 Speaker 1: were literally destructive of the country. And we're always either 1562 01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:35,680 Speaker 1: supported by the administration at some level or the destruction 1563 01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:39,560 Speaker 1: the the obviously bad things that they were doing were minimized, 1564 01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:43,280 Speaker 1: and they found some teachable moment for America in the 1565 01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:48,880 Speaker 1: actions of these left wing lunatics, whether we're talking about 1566 01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:51,280 Speaker 1: Occupy Wall Street, a movement I know very well, or 1567 01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:55,599 Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter, or now just this anti Trump. Uh, 1568 01:31:56,040 --> 01:31:57,880 Speaker 1: I don't even know what we call it, this anti 1569 01:31:57,920 --> 01:32:03,200 Speaker 1: Trump wave, as anti Trump vitriol, These anti Trump mobs 1570 01:32:03,240 --> 01:32:07,479 Speaker 1: that wander the streets chanting profanity, screaming about how he's 1571 01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:09,880 Speaker 1: not their president. I've seen them too, walking around here 1572 01:32:09,880 --> 01:32:13,200 Speaker 1: in New York City, and that believe that they are 1573 01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:17,479 Speaker 1: accomplishing something by spitting on people, throwing things at people 1574 01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:20,360 Speaker 1: who do want to just peaceably support you. I can 1575 01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:23,240 Speaker 1: tell you this, The Trump rally in Berkeley was not 1576 01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:26,479 Speaker 1: full of people looking for a fight. People showed up 1577 01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:28,920 Speaker 1: to that rally looking for a fight. None of them 1578 01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:32,000 Speaker 1: voted for Trump. They all voted for either Bernie Sanders 1579 01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:34,880 Speaker 1: or Hillary Clinton, or a combination of the two. Maybe 1580 01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:37,040 Speaker 1: some of them are self proclaimed communists, but as you know, 1581 01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:39,760 Speaker 1: the communist part of USA even endorsed Hillary Clinton. Not 1582 01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:44,000 Speaker 1: that that ever gets in the news coverage. But they 1583 01:32:44,160 --> 01:32:47,799 Speaker 1: will not be the focus of much left wing media attention. 1584 01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:51,360 Speaker 1: They'll say that these are just rabble rousers, or even worse, 1585 01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:54,120 Speaker 1: they'll say that they have a legitimate grievance and they 1586 01:32:54,120 --> 01:32:56,760 Speaker 1: shouldn't Maybe they shouldn't attack people, Maybe they should leave 1587 01:32:56,800 --> 01:33:00,360 Speaker 1: the sticks and the the black block tactics. Black block 1588 01:33:00,439 --> 01:33:02,439 Speaker 1: is a tactic it's not actually a protest group. It 1589 01:33:02,439 --> 01:33:04,760 Speaker 1: just means you all wear black, you cover yourselves in black, 1590 01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:09,600 Speaker 1: you cover your face because you are then harder to identify, 1591 01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:13,040 Speaker 1: and if you destroy property and engage in riotous behavior, 1592 01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:15,080 Speaker 1: it's harder for the police to track you down on 1593 01:33:15,240 --> 01:33:17,759 Speaker 1: video when your face is covered and everyone's wearing black, 1594 01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:20,479 Speaker 1: and no one knows who's going where, And you understand, 1595 01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:25,440 Speaker 1: it's almost like a form of riot camouflage for the protesters. 1596 01:33:25,920 --> 01:33:28,840 Speaker 1: It's it's not a specific movement, although it's often identified 1597 01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:32,040 Speaker 1: in this country with self idea, with so called anarchists. 1598 01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:35,280 Speaker 1: All Right, I know I'm going along here on this stuff. 1599 01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:41,559 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk more about another another really ignominious moment 1600 01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:43,799 Speaker 1: for the American left, this time on a fancy college 1601 01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:49,679 Speaker 1: campus in Vermont. So I went to a little school 1602 01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:54,080 Speaker 1: up in New England called Amherst College, UM and it 1603 01:33:54,160 --> 01:33:57,000 Speaker 1: was pretty left wing, much more left wing than I 1604 01:33:57,000 --> 01:33:59,080 Speaker 1: thought it would be when I first showed up there, 1605 01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:01,439 Speaker 1: because what and I knows, the high school kid becoming 1606 01:34:01,439 --> 01:34:05,680 Speaker 1: a college kid. And we were in a league, a 1607 01:34:05,720 --> 01:34:09,479 Speaker 1: sports league with another school called Middlebury. And I think 1608 01:34:09,479 --> 01:34:12,639 Speaker 1: that they, I think their mascot may have been a cow, 1609 01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:16,120 Speaker 1: like a moral cow. Uh, like a milk cow. I 1610 01:34:16,160 --> 01:34:17,479 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know why I'm telling you that, 1611 01:34:17,479 --> 01:34:19,360 Speaker 1: but I'm just trying to get in the Middlebury zone here. 1612 01:34:19,720 --> 01:34:21,640 Speaker 1: I never went there to visit. I went to some 1613 01:34:21,640 --> 01:34:23,600 Speaker 1: of the other schools, but it's the same thing in 1614 01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:28,480 Speaker 1: a lot of these places. It's, you know, an idyllic scene, bucolic, beautiful, 1615 01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:31,680 Speaker 1: and they tell all these parents and they bring them 1616 01:34:31,720 --> 01:34:33,960 Speaker 1: there for the parent day, for the visit and everything. 1617 01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:36,559 Speaker 1: You know, this is about training future leaders and it's 1618 01:34:36,600 --> 01:34:38,519 Speaker 1: gonna be beautiful, and there's a lot of great stuff 1619 01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:41,280 Speaker 1: that happens in these schools. Fine, but the politics are 1620 01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:45,240 Speaker 1: left of che Guevara at these places, including my own school, 1621 01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:50,320 Speaker 1: but Middlebury as well. Um, the professors are all far left. 1622 01:34:50,360 --> 01:34:52,360 Speaker 1: And none of this is new to you. But what 1623 01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:56,439 Speaker 1: is new is that you have situations now And this 1624 01:34:57,000 --> 01:34:59,760 Speaker 1: ties into what I was telling about before, where there's 1625 01:35:00,040 --> 01:35:05,640 Speaker 1: in a more aggressive tendency among progressives not just to 1626 01:35:06,240 --> 01:35:08,800 Speaker 1: shout at people they don't like, but to actually hit them, 1627 01:35:08,840 --> 01:35:12,360 Speaker 1: to hurt them, to physically intimidate. Now speech they don't like. 1628 01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:14,519 Speaker 1: They believe that. I mean, they've gone from wanting to 1629 01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:19,719 Speaker 1: ban hate speech as a matter of the over burden, 1630 01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:24,400 Speaker 1: over weaning regulatory side of things, right that that they 1631 01:35:24,439 --> 01:35:26,320 Speaker 1: can just have the school say you're not allowed to 1632 01:35:26,360 --> 01:35:30,000 Speaker 1: say these things. To now, taking in the era of Trump, 1633 01:35:30,360 --> 01:35:32,280 Speaker 1: they take it into their own hands to say, if 1634 01:35:32,320 --> 01:35:34,800 Speaker 1: you say things we really don't like, we're literally going 1635 01:35:34,840 --> 01:35:37,400 Speaker 1: to stop you. And if that means hitting you or 1636 01:35:37,479 --> 01:35:42,120 Speaker 1: hurting you, we will do that. So Charles Murray, author 1637 01:35:42,240 --> 01:35:45,679 Speaker 1: of The Bell Curve, whom I've had on radio before, 1638 01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:52,080 Speaker 1: he's a very erudite, polite guy, went up to Middlebury 1639 01:35:52,120 --> 01:35:55,360 Speaker 1: to give a speech and he wasn't even talking about 1640 01:35:55,600 --> 01:35:57,360 Speaker 1: his book, The Bell Curve, which has to do with 1641 01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:02,400 Speaker 1: a comprehensive study of i Q and it's placement in 1642 01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:05,519 Speaker 1: society and effects on a whole. It's a long book. 1643 01:36:05,560 --> 01:36:08,960 Speaker 1: I've read the book. It's very interesting, but of course 1644 01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:15,280 Speaker 1: it touches on some highly sensitive issues of the inherited, 1645 01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:21,599 Speaker 1: inherited nature of a of i Q, and that sets 1646 01:36:21,680 --> 01:36:26,080 Speaker 1: the left into fits of rage, and they hate this 1647 01:36:26,120 --> 01:36:28,479 Speaker 1: guy and they have identified Hi. What's fascinating in this 1648 01:36:28,600 --> 01:36:32,080 Speaker 1: case is that at Middlebury that identify him as part 1649 01:36:32,080 --> 01:36:34,519 Speaker 1: of the problem of Trump, as a Trump supporter. He's 1650 01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:38,000 Speaker 1: not a Trump supporter. He's very critical of Trump. And 1651 01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:41,679 Speaker 1: they say that he is a sign of I think 1652 01:36:41,720 --> 01:36:43,599 Speaker 1: of it, said he's a sign of white supremacy. Or rather, 1653 01:36:43,640 --> 01:36:45,760 Speaker 1: you have the Washington Post when they were reporting on this, 1654 01:36:46,240 --> 01:36:48,880 Speaker 1: citing the Southern Poverty Law Center, which is just a 1655 01:36:48,960 --> 01:36:52,559 Speaker 1: joke of an organization, um in terms of how just 1656 01:36:52,720 --> 01:36:56,000 Speaker 1: left and radical and politicized it is. You know, the 1657 01:36:56,040 --> 01:37:01,040 Speaker 1: Southern Southern Poverty Law Center refers to Charls. Murray as 1658 01:37:01,080 --> 01:37:05,400 Speaker 1: a as a white nationalist or something like that, and 1659 01:37:05,400 --> 01:37:08,080 Speaker 1: then they put this in a straight news story. You're like, well, 1660 01:37:08,120 --> 01:37:10,880 Speaker 1: that's that's crap. This guy's an a white nationalist or 1661 01:37:11,320 --> 01:37:13,720 Speaker 1: or white supremacy. Sister, Yeah, I think white No, I'm sorry, 1662 01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:17,160 Speaker 1: white supremacists. I think they call him, which sounds I 1663 01:37:17,200 --> 01:37:19,000 Speaker 1: think is most of us. We think it's even scary. 1664 01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:22,000 Speaker 1: It's even more obviously neo Nazi than white nationals, remember 1665 01:37:22,040 --> 01:37:24,960 Speaker 1: or maybe not, I don't know. They're both bad, which 1666 01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:29,840 Speaker 1: is completely unfair. So he goes up to Middlebury to speak, though, 1667 01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:33,960 Speaker 1: and instead of just protesting or counter do encounter speech, 1668 01:37:34,479 --> 01:37:40,560 Speaker 1: Middlebury students shut down the speech, threatened physical violence, surrounded 1669 01:37:40,640 --> 01:37:42,920 Speaker 1: him on his way out, and even hurt a female 1670 01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:46,240 Speaker 1: professor who who had to put her neck in embrace afterwards, 1671 01:37:46,280 --> 01:37:49,280 Speaker 1: because you know, anything they have to do to shut 1672 01:37:49,320 --> 01:37:52,240 Speaker 1: down speech. They don't like. The progressives all think they're 1673 01:37:52,240 --> 01:37:57,160 Speaker 1: playing punch the Nazi. Now, it's ridiculous, Buck Sexton. With 1674 01:37:57,280 --> 01:38:00,400 Speaker 1: America now where there is always something to talk about, 1675 01:38:00,479 --> 01:38:02,880 Speaker 1: where you can trade opinions with Buck. I'm not sure 1676 01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:06,479 Speaker 1: you'll win though. Just call eight four four nine hundred Buck. 1677 01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:12,040 Speaker 1: That's eight four four d two eight to five. All right, Buck, 1678 01:38:12,120 --> 01:38:16,640 Speaker 1: you're on. Got Lauren Southern on the line. She is 1679 01:38:16,680 --> 01:38:19,519 Speaker 1: a writer and host for the Rebel Dot Media, also 1680 01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:23,519 Speaker 1: the author of Barbarians, How Baby Boomers, immigrants, and Islam 1681 01:38:23,680 --> 01:38:26,680 Speaker 1: Screwed My generation. Uh, Lauren, thank you for calling it. 1682 01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:29,439 Speaker 1: I hear you have some intel for us on some 1683 01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:32,920 Speaker 1: of the happenings out in Berkeley over the weekend. Right, 1684 01:38:33,000 --> 01:38:36,800 Speaker 1: if you've been paying attention, they're right, finally fought back 1685 01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:41,560 Speaker 1: against Anti five. They came prepared this time. What is 1686 01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:45,559 Speaker 1: anti five, lad Anti five? No, I means it's for 1687 01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:51,080 Speaker 1: the audience for the anti fascists what they call themselves. 1688 01:38:51,080 --> 01:38:54,920 Speaker 1: And if you remember anything from Winston Churchill said the 1689 01:38:55,080 --> 01:38:58,120 Speaker 1: fascists of the future will call themselves the anti fascists, 1690 01:38:58,120 --> 01:39:00,800 Speaker 1: and that's exactly what they are. They run around and 1691 01:39:00,880 --> 01:39:03,439 Speaker 1: violently try to shut down free speech in the name 1692 01:39:03,479 --> 01:39:07,559 Speaker 1: of anti fascism, essentially calling anyone to the right of 1693 01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:10,840 Speaker 1: Karl Marks a Nazi or a fascist. And they wear 1694 01:39:10,920 --> 01:39:14,800 Speaker 1: all black, covering their faces with masks, and they bring 1695 01:39:14,920 --> 01:39:18,360 Speaker 1: sticks and stuff to beat people that are at pro 1696 01:39:18,479 --> 01:39:21,679 Speaker 1: Trump rallies and free speech rallies on campus. And uh, 1697 01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:24,040 Speaker 1: you probably saw some of them on the news running 1698 01:39:24,040 --> 01:39:27,760 Speaker 1: through the streets of DC smashing windows. After Trump was inaugurated, 1699 01:39:28,960 --> 01:39:32,360 Speaker 1: they came out to Berkeley at a pro Trump event 1700 01:39:32,600 --> 01:39:35,519 Speaker 1: and got into fights with some of the people wearing 1701 01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:38,679 Speaker 1: Trump hats there, but instead of getting the crap beer 1702 01:39:38,720 --> 01:39:41,600 Speaker 1: out of them, like what happened at Milo's event, a 1703 01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:44,080 Speaker 1: few of these, a few of the Trump supporters actually 1704 01:39:44,080 --> 01:39:49,640 Speaker 1: showed up with Spartan Lambda shields and wearing Captain America 1705 01:39:49,800 --> 01:39:52,559 Speaker 1: type gear and fought back against antifa. And it's been 1706 01:39:52,600 --> 01:39:55,719 Speaker 1: a big deal because people aren't sure whether they should 1707 01:39:55,720 --> 01:39:59,040 Speaker 1: support the right when you're fighting back, or whether we 1708 01:39:59,080 --> 01:40:01,960 Speaker 1: should continue to just be totally peaceful and kind of 1709 01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:05,400 Speaker 1: show people we have good optics I did see, and 1710 01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:07,479 Speaker 1: I was wondering if it was just one individual. There 1711 01:40:07,520 --> 01:40:10,799 Speaker 1: was a guy who had it looked like a shield 1712 01:40:10,960 --> 01:40:13,400 Speaker 1: and a and a like a spear wellthough not not 1713 01:40:13,400 --> 01:40:15,680 Speaker 1: sharpened at the end, some kind of a lance. Was 1714 01:40:15,720 --> 01:40:18,040 Speaker 1: he not the only one? And who do we? Who 1715 01:40:18,120 --> 01:40:22,320 Speaker 1: is this guy? They're calling him stick Man, And there's 1716 01:40:22,360 --> 01:40:25,200 Speaker 1: this epic video of him. A anti flug guy goes 1717 01:40:25,240 --> 01:40:27,760 Speaker 1: to take a punch at him and he swings those 1718 01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:30,200 Speaker 1: stick down and it breaks those anti flug guy's head. 1719 01:40:30,200 --> 01:40:33,360 Speaker 1: And he's literally like dressed up as like a Trump 1720 01:40:33,400 --> 01:40:37,760 Speaker 1: supporting hop light gladiator. He looks hilarious, and yeah, they're 1721 01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:40,960 Speaker 1: calling him Stickman. Apparently he got arrested though, even though 1722 01:40:41,160 --> 01:40:43,280 Speaker 1: he didn't instigate any of the fighting. He was just 1723 01:40:43,720 --> 01:40:47,120 Speaker 1: lacking people with his stick that we're trying to punch him. 1724 01:40:47,320 --> 01:40:49,320 Speaker 1: I said. There were a few others that were fighting back, 1725 01:40:49,360 --> 01:40:53,559 Speaker 1: a few other patriots with flags. They're fighting back against 1726 01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:56,280 Speaker 1: anti Flash. It kind of looked a bit crazy in 1727 01:40:56,320 --> 01:40:58,840 Speaker 1: the mess there, but it's one of those things where 1728 01:40:59,120 --> 01:41:01,799 Speaker 1: Anti flush shows up every time for the sole purpose 1729 01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:05,639 Speaker 1: of causing violence and chaos, and even when they are 1730 01:41:05,680 --> 01:41:07,760 Speaker 1: being peaceful and standing there they only come in a 1731 01:41:07,840 --> 01:41:10,040 Speaker 1: crowd and all dressed in black and built up like 1732 01:41:10,080 --> 01:41:12,080 Speaker 1: that so that one of those losers can come out 1733 01:41:12,120 --> 01:41:14,120 Speaker 1: and sucker punch you and then slip back into that 1734 01:41:14,520 --> 01:41:17,640 Speaker 1: and be hidden by the losing. Yeah, black block, this 1735 01:41:17,720 --> 01:41:19,120 Speaker 1: is what they've They've been doing this for a long 1736 01:41:19,160 --> 01:41:21,000 Speaker 1: SID think there was a black block contingent. I went 1737 01:41:21,040 --> 01:41:23,760 Speaker 1: to a couple of I mean it covered. I went 1738 01:41:23,800 --> 01:41:25,559 Speaker 1: to sounds like I was wearing, you know, black head 1739 01:41:25,600 --> 01:41:28,880 Speaker 1: to tell myself. I covered a few black block Uh. 1740 01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:33,920 Speaker 1: I even call them protests, gatherings, many riots as part 1741 01:41:33,960 --> 01:41:36,360 Speaker 1: of Occupy Wall Street here in New York City. And 1742 01:41:36,680 --> 01:41:40,800 Speaker 1: they are not well adjusted individuals. They say horrible things 1743 01:41:40,840 --> 01:41:44,080 Speaker 1: to people on the street. They have really to say. 1744 01:41:44,120 --> 01:41:46,439 Speaker 1: They have negative sentiments about the police. I mean all 1745 01:41:46,479 --> 01:41:49,839 Speaker 1: they have are profane and vile sentiments about about the police, 1746 01:41:50,360 --> 01:41:52,519 Speaker 1: and and crazy ideas about what they're going to be 1747 01:41:52,520 --> 01:41:54,960 Speaker 1: able to accomplish with this form of protests. But it's 1748 01:41:55,280 --> 01:41:58,240 Speaker 1: continue on, continued on for some time. I was saying 1749 01:41:58,520 --> 01:42:01,919 Speaker 1: this though, it does seem to be getting a bit worse. 1750 01:42:02,160 --> 01:42:04,960 Speaker 1: And I think that I was mentioning this before you 1751 01:42:05,040 --> 01:42:08,559 Speaker 1: came on, Lauren, that this Antifa group, for example, treats 1752 01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:13,280 Speaker 1: all Trump supporters as though they are fascists, and so 1753 01:42:13,479 --> 01:42:16,759 Speaker 1: what they do, they believe is akin to Nazi punching. 1754 01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:18,839 Speaker 1: You know, they're just they're just they're just punching Nazis. 1755 01:42:18,840 --> 01:42:20,680 Speaker 1: You know, they're they're like living out some sort of 1756 01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:24,800 Speaker 1: inglorious well we'll say they're they're living out one of 1757 01:42:24,840 --> 01:42:28,320 Speaker 1: these uh fantasies they have about being the the anti 1758 01:42:28,439 --> 01:42:32,479 Speaker 1: Nazi resistance UM. And I just think that this is 1759 01:42:32,680 --> 01:42:35,559 Speaker 1: going to only get worse because there are no there 1760 01:42:35,560 --> 01:42:38,360 Speaker 1: are no voices in the left that have residents and 1761 01:42:38,400 --> 01:42:40,400 Speaker 1: power that are saying, okay, guys, you need to stop 1762 01:42:40,400 --> 01:42:42,720 Speaker 1: showing up all dressed in black and punching people that 1763 01:42:42,760 --> 01:42:45,599 Speaker 1: no one seems to care on the left. No, it's 1764 01:42:45,600 --> 01:42:49,600 Speaker 1: actors seeing encouragement. You see You've seen Lectron papers that 1765 01:42:49,640 --> 01:42:52,640 Speaker 1: are coming out and say, Richard Spencer got punched. You 1766 01:42:52,640 --> 01:42:55,360 Speaker 1: can thank the Black block. It's like, no, you can 1767 01:42:55,520 --> 01:42:58,840 Speaker 1: absolutely disagree with Richard Spencer, argue against them, disagree with 1768 01:42:58,840 --> 01:43:01,559 Speaker 1: people on the right, argue of stuff, but punching them 1769 01:43:01,600 --> 01:43:04,840 Speaker 1: that is not the answer. And I'd like to say 1770 01:43:04,880 --> 01:43:07,320 Speaker 1: that no one is going to listen to punching people 1771 01:43:07,400 --> 01:43:09,080 Speaker 1: as an argument, but it seems like a lot of 1772 01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:11,960 Speaker 1: young people. I think that's pretty cool and pretty okay 1773 01:43:11,960 --> 01:43:14,639 Speaker 1: nowadays and works just fine for them as an argument. 1774 01:43:16,040 --> 01:43:18,479 Speaker 1: So many people supporting it. I want to ask else 1775 01:43:18,520 --> 01:43:23,200 Speaker 1: you about the Standing Rock protest. You've been covering this 1776 01:43:23,280 --> 01:43:26,639 Speaker 1: and writing about it. They So this was the Dakota 1777 01:43:26,680 --> 01:43:29,240 Speaker 1: Access pipeline. I know they set up. I was told 1778 01:43:29,240 --> 01:43:31,600 Speaker 1: it was like birding Man, but really cold. This is 1779 01:43:31,640 --> 01:43:33,640 Speaker 1: what people who were there were telling me. I was 1780 01:43:33,680 --> 01:43:36,559 Speaker 1: reading about. Uh, they left a lot of trash behind. 1781 01:43:36,920 --> 01:43:39,759 Speaker 1: What is the truth of the of the Dakota Access 1782 01:43:39,920 --> 01:43:44,040 Speaker 1: standing Dakota Access Pipeline Standing Rock protest movement, which is 1783 01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:49,280 Speaker 1: yet again another progressive left wing UH situation that seemed 1784 01:43:49,320 --> 01:43:52,479 Speaker 1: to spiral out of control. Well, you know, it's crazy, 1785 01:43:52,479 --> 01:43:54,720 Speaker 1: and I've never spent that much time paying attention to it, 1786 01:43:54,720 --> 01:43:56,840 Speaker 1: but I found every time I posted about it that 1787 01:43:56,880 --> 01:43:58,600 Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, these guys are leaving kind of 1788 01:43:58,600 --> 01:44:01,120 Speaker 1: a mess. That's not very vironmental of them, and I 1789 01:44:01,240 --> 01:44:03,479 Speaker 1: get crap for it. I was like, all right, you know, 1790 01:44:03,560 --> 01:44:05,639 Speaker 1: it's time I delve into this. So a few weeks 1791 01:44:05,640 --> 01:44:07,479 Speaker 1: ago I just went in and I read a bunch 1792 01:44:07,520 --> 01:44:10,240 Speaker 1: of the court documents. I read a ton of the 1793 01:44:10,520 --> 01:44:14,240 Speaker 1: articles on it about the meetings that the pipeline and 1794 01:44:14,280 --> 01:44:18,679 Speaker 1: the Army Corps of Engineers had with the Standing Rock Tribe, 1795 01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:21,479 Speaker 1: And after reading all of the information I could find 1796 01:44:21,479 --> 01:44:25,559 Speaker 1: out there, the only conclusion I could come to was 1797 01:44:25,600 --> 01:44:30,160 Speaker 1: that almost every single point that these protesters had was 1798 01:44:30,439 --> 01:44:33,639 Speaker 1: utter crap. It was literally all lies. And I did 1799 01:44:33,640 --> 01:44:36,360 Speaker 1: not expect every single thing for them to be protesting 1800 01:44:36,360 --> 01:44:38,519 Speaker 1: on to be lies. But whether it be the water 1801 01:44:39,120 --> 01:44:45,160 Speaker 1: contaminated being contaminated, that's nonsense. The actual water supply is 1802 01:44:45,200 --> 01:44:47,920 Speaker 1: being moved so that it would take fourteen hours for 1803 01:44:47,960 --> 01:44:50,439 Speaker 1: any leak to even get to it. If it did 1804 01:44:50,520 --> 01:44:54,840 Speaker 1: leak in the typeline, that was nonsense. Being on native land, Nope, 1805 01:44:54,880 --> 01:44:57,880 Speaker 1: that's completely inaccurate. Them not meeting with the tribes before. 1806 01:44:58,160 --> 01:45:02,280 Speaker 1: There are tons of documented meetings. In fact, Obama appointed 1807 01:45:03,240 --> 01:45:07,439 Speaker 1: judge stated that the Army Corps and the pipeline did 1808 01:45:08,360 --> 01:45:12,840 Speaker 1: did actually go through the legal process and are free 1809 01:45:12,880 --> 01:45:15,080 Speaker 1: to build the pipeline Like this is not something that 1810 01:45:15,120 --> 01:45:17,519 Speaker 1: should be a debate anymore if anyone has actually read 1811 01:45:17,560 --> 01:45:19,800 Speaker 1: the documents on it, And then yeah, you have the 1812 01:45:19,880 --> 01:45:22,800 Speaker 1: protests that everyone was focusing on they left a huge mess. 1813 01:45:22,840 --> 01:45:26,360 Speaker 1: They were on private land, they were throwing rocks and 1814 01:45:26,439 --> 01:45:30,040 Speaker 1: making devices to throw at the police, and the whole 1815 01:45:30,080 --> 01:45:32,880 Speaker 1: thing was just an entire joke. And I didn't take 1816 01:45:32,920 --> 01:45:35,800 Speaker 1: the time to look into it until later on, unfortunately. 1817 01:45:35,840 --> 01:45:39,519 Speaker 1: But I was shocked, utterly shocked to see where the fact. 1818 01:45:39,680 --> 01:45:41,400 Speaker 1: I think there's a there's a theme here, and it 1819 01:45:41,439 --> 01:45:44,479 Speaker 1: plays out in different in different ways, but there's an 1820 01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:50,000 Speaker 1: underlying theme with a lot of these progressive these acts 1821 01:45:50,040 --> 01:45:52,639 Speaker 1: of progressive activism. I don't know how else to describe 1822 01:45:52,680 --> 01:45:56,679 Speaker 1: them all at once, whether it's the Dakota Access Pipeline protest, 1823 01:45:56,920 --> 01:46:00,920 Speaker 1: the Berkeley both the Berkeley campus, uh, you know, just 1824 01:46:01,040 --> 01:46:03,439 Speaker 1: decision to stop a speaker from showing up in that 1825 01:46:03,479 --> 01:46:06,040 Speaker 1: case it was Milo before he had a whole bunch 1826 01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:10,240 Speaker 1: of other problems. And then the issue at Middlebury College 1827 01:46:10,240 --> 01:46:12,439 Speaker 1: where they wouldn't allow Charles Murray to speak, and now 1828 01:46:12,520 --> 01:46:16,040 Speaker 1: the anti Trump protests out in Berkeley. With all of these, 1829 01:46:16,439 --> 01:46:19,280 Speaker 1: there is just a desire of the part of the 1830 01:46:19,320 --> 01:46:22,479 Speaker 1: progressive participants to be a part of a of a 1831 01:46:22,520 --> 01:46:25,439 Speaker 1: tribe that is righteous. You know, there's a tribalism that's 1832 01:46:25,479 --> 01:46:28,280 Speaker 1: going on here. Uh, And what you see is that 1833 01:46:28,360 --> 01:46:31,800 Speaker 1: they create a false narrative and then they just they're 1834 01:46:31,800 --> 01:46:32,960 Speaker 1: on the but they're on the right side of it. 1835 01:46:33,040 --> 01:46:35,679 Speaker 1: So in the case of what happened in Berkeley, it's 1836 01:46:35,720 --> 01:46:38,439 Speaker 1: they're anti fascist. The fact that none of the people 1837 01:46:38,479 --> 01:46:40,599 Speaker 1: that are there that they're attacking and punching or fascist 1838 01:46:40,600 --> 01:46:42,200 Speaker 1: doesn't matter them because it's all just a show of 1839 01:46:42,240 --> 01:46:45,880 Speaker 1: anti fascism. The Dakota Access Pipeline, Yeah, maybe it's not 1840 01:46:45,960 --> 01:46:49,719 Speaker 1: actually on Native American land, but you know, they're pro environment, 1841 01:46:49,800 --> 01:46:51,760 Speaker 1: so whatever they do is under the agis of it 1842 01:46:51,800 --> 01:46:55,679 Speaker 1: being pro environment, and so it's justified. At Middlebury. Yeah, 1843 01:46:55,840 --> 01:46:58,880 Speaker 1: Charles Murray is not a white supremacist, but they're anti 1844 01:46:58,880 --> 01:47:01,800 Speaker 1: white supremacists, and and so that justifies whatever they do. 1845 01:47:02,160 --> 01:47:06,160 Speaker 1: The message, the uh, the awareness raising is all that 1846 01:47:06,200 --> 01:47:08,360 Speaker 1: matters in these cases to them. The truth and the 1847 01:47:08,400 --> 01:47:10,760 Speaker 1: actual issues that may be debated or that one side 1848 01:47:10,760 --> 01:47:15,200 Speaker 1: represents and the other doesn't like, that's largely irrelevant. It seems, well, 1849 01:47:15,200 --> 01:47:18,240 Speaker 1: we're talking about a generation of kids who refer to 1850 01:47:18,240 --> 01:47:22,400 Speaker 1: themselves for themselves as Dumbledore's army. When they walk into 1851 01:47:22,520 --> 01:47:27,320 Speaker 1: political events, they're seriously convinced that this is Harry Potter 1852 01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:29,360 Speaker 1: versus the death theaters, and if you show up with 1853 01:47:29,400 --> 01:47:32,120 Speaker 1: the Trump hat, that you're a the mentor fighting them 1854 01:47:32,120 --> 01:47:35,599 Speaker 1: like they've Yeah, they've built up this fantasy narrative in 1855 01:47:35,640 --> 01:47:39,400 Speaker 1: their head, and it's they're being told that it's totally 1856 01:47:39,479 --> 01:47:43,400 Speaker 1: okay to do this by the professors, by movie stars, 1857 01:47:43,439 --> 01:47:47,759 Speaker 1: by media, and probably in some cases unfortunately, by their parents. 1858 01:47:47,800 --> 01:47:49,679 Speaker 1: I mean in Germany, they did a study and found 1859 01:47:49,680 --> 01:47:56,840 Speaker 1: that something like of anti protesters live with their parents. Still, 1860 01:47:57,240 --> 01:47:58,720 Speaker 1: you were right when you said these are not well 1861 01:47:58,760 --> 01:48:01,680 Speaker 1: adjusted people. These are the permanent students that are going 1862 01:48:01,720 --> 01:48:04,240 Speaker 1: to be in school taking philosophy or as I like 1863 01:48:04,280 --> 01:48:07,559 Speaker 1: to call them, Theorista degrees until the thirty five, and 1864 01:48:08,439 --> 01:48:11,599 Speaker 1: they're going to be professional political activists and then go 1865 01:48:11,640 --> 01:48:14,479 Speaker 1: into government. Probably what I was gonna say is you 1866 01:48:14,560 --> 01:48:18,559 Speaker 1: can't but to dismiss them as being, you know, basement 1867 01:48:18,640 --> 01:48:20,920 Speaker 1: dwellers in their parents homes or what have you. Although 1868 01:48:20,920 --> 01:48:22,120 Speaker 1: you know, I know plenty of people that have really 1869 01:48:22,200 --> 01:48:25,360 Speaker 1: nice basements. It's probably pretty nice. But anyway to dismiss 1870 01:48:25,400 --> 01:48:27,479 Speaker 1: them as being basement dwellers in their parents homes or 1871 01:48:27,560 --> 01:48:29,800 Speaker 1: to say that, you know, there's a failure to launch 1872 01:48:29,880 --> 01:48:32,479 Speaker 1: issue here with them becoming adults or whatever it may be. 1873 01:48:33,240 --> 01:48:35,920 Speaker 1: Uh doesn't take into account of fact that they do 1874 01:48:36,040 --> 01:48:39,000 Speaker 1: go on. As you mentioned, to have to to take 1875 01:48:39,080 --> 01:48:42,880 Speaker 1: these views and have them represented in the media, have 1876 01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:47,280 Speaker 1: them represented in government, have they represented in major corporations. Now, 1877 01:48:47,360 --> 01:48:51,759 Speaker 1: even that the progressive rock from college campuses has spread 1878 01:48:51,840 --> 01:48:54,240 Speaker 1: far and wide, and while these students may be the 1879 01:48:54,240 --> 01:48:58,520 Speaker 1: most obvious manifestation of it, or these Antifa student protesters 1880 01:48:58,520 --> 01:49:01,200 Speaker 1: and writers may be the most obvious case we can 1881 01:49:01,240 --> 01:49:03,920 Speaker 1: point to of what this looks like in practice, I 1882 01:49:03,920 --> 01:49:06,880 Speaker 1: think the reality as we see it playing out is that, look, 1883 01:49:07,080 --> 01:49:11,200 Speaker 1: you had an Obama administration that really agreed with a 1884 01:49:11,240 --> 01:49:15,680 Speaker 1: lot of the far left, progressive fringe on the ideas. 1885 01:49:15,720 --> 01:49:19,200 Speaker 1: Maybe they weren't they weren't openly advocating for, you know, 1886 01:49:19,320 --> 01:49:22,879 Speaker 1: dressing in black headed tone, smashing windows, but they agreed 1887 01:49:22,920 --> 01:49:25,479 Speaker 1: that there was there was injustice that need to be addressed. 1888 01:49:25,479 --> 01:49:27,439 Speaker 1: They agreed that there was a way. I just had 1889 01:49:27,800 --> 01:49:30,160 Speaker 1: Loretta Lynch, the former Attorney General. We played a sound 1890 01:49:30,160 --> 01:49:32,320 Speaker 1: bite from her where she was saying, yeah, your rights 1891 01:49:32,320 --> 01:49:35,400 Speaker 1: are under threat. There needs to be more protesting, There 1892 01:49:35,439 --> 01:49:37,439 Speaker 1: needs to be more protesting that it seems like there's 1893 01:49:37,439 --> 01:49:40,400 Speaker 1: a lot of protesting these days. Well that's the fear 1894 01:49:40,400 --> 01:49:44,000 Speaker 1: of the only places that these people's ridiculous like their 1895 01:49:44,040 --> 01:49:45,960 Speaker 1: their ideas are not going to be accepted. At a 1896 01:49:45,960 --> 01:49:49,639 Speaker 1: construction site where people are actually building and creating things 1897 01:49:49,640 --> 01:49:52,000 Speaker 1: and creating wealth, everyone will lack them down. No one's 1898 01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:54,000 Speaker 1: going to need these there wuts to be if your 1899 01:49:54,040 --> 01:49:58,000 Speaker 1: strength nonsense. But their ideas will be accepted in government jobs. 1900 01:49:58,000 --> 01:50:01,800 Speaker 1: Their ideas will be accepted at ink tanks, at schools, 1901 01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:05,719 Speaker 1: elementary school, high schools, in college campuses. So these people 1902 01:50:05,760 --> 01:50:09,439 Speaker 1: are going to be going into very influential roles. They yes, 1903 01:50:09,479 --> 01:50:11,880 Speaker 1: they will be in their ridiculous belief to degrees until 1904 01:50:11,880 --> 01:50:14,479 Speaker 1: their thirty being special students. But then they're going to 1905 01:50:14,560 --> 01:50:17,640 Speaker 1: go into government where they can continue on their fantasy, 1906 01:50:17,840 --> 01:50:21,479 Speaker 1: as many of our left wing politicians do. And you have, 1907 01:50:21,760 --> 01:50:23,760 Speaker 1: by the way, you wrote something really I see here 1908 01:50:23,800 --> 01:50:25,920 Speaker 1: about And this is a bit of a topic switch, 1909 01:50:25,960 --> 01:50:27,360 Speaker 1: but we've only got a couple of minutes before we're 1910 01:50:27,360 --> 01:50:30,320 Speaker 1: gonna have to go into a break the migrant crisis. 1911 01:50:30,479 --> 01:50:34,400 Speaker 1: What to expect in spring. You're saying that there's reporting 1912 01:50:34,680 --> 01:50:36,920 Speaker 1: and I haven't seen this myself, so I'm relying on 1913 01:50:36,960 --> 01:50:38,880 Speaker 1: you to tell me what's going on here, that there's 1914 01:50:38,880 --> 01:50:41,640 Speaker 1: a whole new wave of migrants to end that I 1915 01:50:41,640 --> 01:50:44,519 Speaker 1: want to enter Europe right now? What's going on? Yeah, well, 1916 01:50:44,560 --> 01:50:47,920 Speaker 1: you already see uh a few hundreds trying to come across, 1917 01:50:48,040 --> 01:50:51,719 Speaker 1: especially from Turkey over to the Greek Islands and also 1918 01:50:52,479 --> 01:50:57,600 Speaker 1: from Africa to Sicily. But unfortunately, well a lot of 1919 01:50:57,600 --> 01:51:00,720 Speaker 1: them are actually having trouble because it's so cold and 1920 01:51:00,720 --> 01:51:02,479 Speaker 1: they can't make that journey. So as soon as the 1921 01:51:02,520 --> 01:51:04,639 Speaker 1: ice melt, as soon as it starts to get warm 1922 01:51:04,920 --> 01:51:07,400 Speaker 1: and they're able to make that journey again, you are 1923 01:51:07,439 --> 01:51:11,080 Speaker 1: going to see millions of people come across that border. 1924 01:51:11,120 --> 01:51:13,719 Speaker 1: And it's not me saying this, this is a German 1925 01:51:13,720 --> 01:51:16,839 Speaker 1: intelligence that has come out saying there are six million 1926 01:51:17,280 --> 01:51:20,439 Speaker 1: migrants waiting to come into Europe right now, trying to 1927 01:51:20,479 --> 01:51:22,559 Speaker 1: take the routes from the Greek Islands, so the eastern 1928 01:51:22,560 --> 01:51:26,599 Speaker 1: Mediterranean route, and also from Italy, and they're waiting in 1929 01:51:26,640 --> 01:51:29,559 Speaker 1: places mostly in Turkey right now, but also a few 1930 01:51:29,800 --> 01:51:33,719 Speaker 1: places in Africa. And it's going to be a huge issue. 1931 01:51:33,800 --> 01:51:37,240 Speaker 1: And right now a lot of European, Eastern European countries 1932 01:51:37,280 --> 01:51:39,360 Speaker 1: are talking to Turkey and trying to make a deal 1933 01:51:39,439 --> 01:51:42,880 Speaker 1: saying please hold these migrants back. We will give you 1934 01:51:42,920 --> 01:51:46,480 Speaker 1: euros who will give you anything, because is the Hungarian 1935 01:51:46,479 --> 01:51:48,760 Speaker 1: wall going to be able to hold them all? They 1936 01:51:48,800 --> 01:51:51,479 Speaker 1: will find other routes into Europe and they will be 1937 01:51:51,560 --> 01:51:55,880 Speaker 1: helped because you have groups. You have groups trying to 1938 01:51:55,920 --> 01:52:00,000 Speaker 1: help them in right now, government groups, especially from western 1939 01:52:00,000 --> 01:52:02,559 Speaker 1: New Yorpe trying to help these people in. So it's 1940 01:52:02,760 --> 01:52:04,880 Speaker 1: going to You're going to see this blow up again. 1941 01:52:04,920 --> 01:52:07,120 Speaker 1: We're gonna as soon as the ice melts, the refugee 1942 01:52:07,120 --> 01:52:10,000 Speaker 1: crisis is going to be in the news again, guaranteed. 1943 01:52:10,400 --> 01:52:14,120 Speaker 1: Author Laura and Southern, author of Barbarians and hosts for 1944 01:52:14,240 --> 01:52:16,439 Speaker 1: the Rebel Dot Media. Lauren, great to have you. Thank 1945 01:52:16,439 --> 01:52:19,080 Speaker 1: you for joining us. We'll talk to you again soon. Cheers. 1946 01:52:19,080 --> 01:52:22,320 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. Uh team, We're going to hit 1947 01:52:22,360 --> 01:52:23,920 Speaker 1: a break and then we're gonna come back to their 1948 01:52:23,920 --> 01:52:28,760 Speaker 1: freedom hunt and just a few stay with me. The 1949 01:52:28,920 --> 01:52:31,719 Speaker 1: organizers of the Madness is in the Washington Post. Organizers 1950 01:52:31,760 --> 01:52:36,040 Speaker 1: of the massive post inauguration women's marches have called on 1951 01:52:36,200 --> 01:52:43,639 Speaker 1: female workers to stay home Wednesday, raising concerns of among 1952 01:52:43,760 --> 01:52:47,040 Speaker 1: some supporters of the burgeoning feminist movement that the burden 1953 01:52:47,080 --> 01:52:50,360 Speaker 1: of the protests will fall too heavily on the poor. 1954 01:52:51,800 --> 01:52:54,200 Speaker 1: The debate over a day without a woman has been 1955 01:52:54,240 --> 01:52:56,519 Speaker 1: simmering on social media and flared to North Carolina last 1956 01:52:56,560 --> 01:53:01,400 Speaker 1: week when the Chapel Hill, carboroughs These School superintendent decided 1957 01:53:01,439 --> 01:53:04,599 Speaker 1: to cancel classes March eighth because so many staff members 1958 01:53:05,560 --> 01:53:09,320 Speaker 1: plan to participate. Oh isn't that interesting? Now you have 1959 01:53:09,760 --> 01:53:15,600 Speaker 1: public schools allowing people to engage in a partisan protest 1960 01:53:15,800 --> 01:53:19,960 Speaker 1: and get paid to do so, at least in this 1961 01:53:20,640 --> 01:53:25,920 Speaker 1: North Carolina school district. Okay, And they're saying this is 1962 01:53:25,920 --> 01:53:28,760 Speaker 1: because it's it's a gesture of support for the overwhelmingly 1963 01:53:28,880 --> 01:53:34,599 Speaker 1: female staff. What is I This actually begins to get 1964 01:53:34,680 --> 01:53:37,360 Speaker 1: into the what are these people talking about? Realm? Not 1965 01:53:37,520 --> 01:53:41,200 Speaker 1: like I say that as a rhetorical device because I 1966 01:53:41,240 --> 01:53:45,400 Speaker 1: think their points are not sound or there. I actually 1967 01:53:45,400 --> 01:53:49,400 Speaker 1: don't know what they're what their problem is Because Trump 1968 01:53:49,520 --> 01:53:53,120 Speaker 1: is so because Trump's administration is so anti women. I mean, 1969 01:53:53,560 --> 01:53:56,160 Speaker 1: you can't tell me that this is the way you 1970 01:53:56,200 --> 01:53:59,800 Speaker 1: feel about this. But if Hillary Clinton, whose husband who 1971 01:53:59,840 --> 01:54:02,640 Speaker 1: was a former president, not just her husband, would have 1972 01:54:02,680 --> 01:54:05,479 Speaker 1: been the White House with her, is a serial abuser 1973 01:54:05,560 --> 01:54:09,160 Speaker 1: of women and destroyed their reputations when some of them 1974 01:54:09,160 --> 01:54:12,559 Speaker 1: try to speak out against his abuse. But this is 1975 01:54:13,360 --> 01:54:18,439 Speaker 1: I see, this is just all um, some kind of 1976 01:54:19,479 --> 01:54:26,360 Speaker 1: massive hysteria and paranoia exercise. What what what is the 1977 01:54:26,640 --> 01:54:28,760 Speaker 1: day without a woman protest? I mean, I know the 1978 01:54:28,760 --> 01:54:30,760 Speaker 1: Washington Post saying, is it elites? Because some people can't 1979 01:54:30,760 --> 01:54:33,960 Speaker 1: afford to go to the protest. So now there's class 1980 01:54:34,000 --> 01:54:37,280 Speaker 1: strife among the progressive protesters. You gotta keep that in mind, 1981 01:54:37,640 --> 01:54:39,920 Speaker 1: you know, can you afford to protest? As in can 1982 01:54:39,960 --> 01:54:41,880 Speaker 1: you take the day off from work? And if what 1983 01:54:41,920 --> 01:54:44,480 Speaker 1: if your school this ric doesn't give you the day off? 1984 01:54:44,520 --> 01:54:47,880 Speaker 1: And then can you go? But what is the purpose 1985 01:54:47,880 --> 01:54:50,640 Speaker 1: of a day without a woman protest? There is no 1986 01:54:50,960 --> 01:54:53,680 Speaker 1: the I mean, look, I suppose we could point to 1987 01:54:54,240 --> 01:54:57,240 Speaker 1: Romney's Binders Full of Women. Is just more of the 1988 01:54:57,400 --> 01:55:01,520 Speaker 1: of the of the nonsense anti woman rhetoric you hear 1989 01:55:01,560 --> 01:55:03,840 Speaker 1: from the left that doesn't even it's not even tied 1990 01:55:03,880 --> 01:55:07,440 Speaker 1: winning on the right eye, I guess, other than the 1991 01:55:07,520 --> 01:55:11,280 Speaker 1: abortion movement, and there are feelings that the right is 1992 01:55:11,280 --> 01:55:14,720 Speaker 1: where the pro life movement resides, and so there is that. 1993 01:55:14,880 --> 01:55:17,680 Speaker 1: Is this all just a reflection of that playing out 1994 01:55:17,680 --> 01:55:23,320 Speaker 1: in other venues and with different under different pretexts. I don't, 1995 01:55:23,360 --> 01:55:28,360 Speaker 1: I guess so, um, this is to continue the momentum 1996 01:55:28,400 --> 01:55:31,680 Speaker 1: from the marches in d C. The day after President 1997 01:55:31,680 --> 01:55:37,000 Speaker 1: From's inauguration. They say, Uh, okay, what do they want exactly? 1998 01:55:37,280 --> 01:55:40,600 Speaker 1: What are I just? I'm if they're gonna protest, that's fine. 1999 01:55:40,640 --> 01:55:43,400 Speaker 1: It's obviously they're right. And although I don't think that 2000 01:55:43,480 --> 01:55:46,320 Speaker 1: state employees, it's their right to protest on taxpayer time. 2001 01:55:46,480 --> 01:55:49,320 Speaker 1: That's That's one thing we should note here. But can 2002 01:55:49,320 --> 01:55:53,000 Speaker 1: we just know what they're protesting for or against? Can 2003 01:55:53,200 --> 01:55:55,720 Speaker 1: can we get a memo? Then then I'll be able 2004 01:55:55,760 --> 01:55:57,400 Speaker 1: to get a little more into the details here of 2005 01:55:57,440 --> 01:56:01,480 Speaker 1: what a A Day Without a Woman protest is supposed 2006 01:56:01,520 --> 01:56:06,000 Speaker 1: to signify and be about. Download today's podcast on iTunes, 2007 01:56:06,080 --> 01:56:08,800 Speaker 1: go to buck Sexting with America Now and click subscribe, 2008 01:56:08,960 --> 01:56:11,800 Speaker 1: or go on the I Heart radio app. Very excited 2009 01:56:11,800 --> 01:56:14,000 Speaker 1: to be joining you every night this week until tomorrow, 2010 01:56:14,040 --> 01:56:15,200 Speaker 1: my friends, Shields High