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Speaker 1: the answer too. Welcome to Thinking Sideways. I'm Devin, I'm Steve,
Speaker 1: and I have an interesting thing to talk about today.
Speaker 1: What kind of a conundrum sort of thing. Well, get started.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit of a mystery. Um So in
Speaker 1: rural China, in a location that is widely considered to
Speaker 1: be uninhabitable, by humans. There are three openings into a
Speaker 1: mountain called Mount by Agog by a Gong by Gong
Speaker 1: that contain hundreds of very out of place artifacts. So
Speaker 1: this is out of place artifactory, out of place artifacts story,
Speaker 1: you know, out of place artifacts story is so out
Speaker 1: of place artifacts are really really unusual or found in
Speaker 1: really improbable contexts, things like the crystal skulls of Mexico
Speaker 1: that they referenced in the Indiana Jones movies recently moved recently.
Speaker 1: There's an iron pillar in Delhi, India, And there's a
Speaker 1: the I can never say the name that mechanism that
Speaker 1: they found in Greece that was sunk in a ship. Yeah.
Speaker 1: That one is supposed to be like an old clock
Speaker 1: or something that's like a really long time ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can and I can never say the name. I'm
Speaker 1: sure they will talk about these future think they're all
Speaker 1: really really out of place artifacts. But so this one
Speaker 1: is Um. They're iron pipes, uh. And some of the
Speaker 1: pipes run deep into the mountain um and others run
Speaker 1: under a lake. Some of them run near a lake
Speaker 1: and they come through the cave system. They come through
Speaker 1: the caves. Yeah, there are pipes that uh they Yeah,
Speaker 1: they run all over this little area here. Um. They're
Speaker 1: cleanly cut um, which indicates that they were used at
Speaker 1: one time and that they were man made. Okay, so
Speaker 1: they're just pipes. Well, they're just pipes. But archaeologists have
Speaker 1: dated them to a time when humanity was still trying
Speaker 1: to figure out fire. That's what five eight thousand years ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's longer than that, but still a long time ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I think we figured out fire like
Speaker 1: more like a hundred thousand years ago or something like that.
Speaker 1: But so there, you know, and I couldn't find any dates.
Speaker 1: I looked at a lot of sites and all everything
Speaker 1: just references like when we were still basically Neanderthals. It says,
Speaker 1: as we're figuring out how to work fire, this is
Speaker 1: when this time, this is the time frame for these pipes.
Speaker 1: And I remember reading about this that there was something
Speaker 1: about the it correct me if I'm wrong, Kevin, But
Speaker 1: isn't there stuff about the fact that Chinese government had
Speaker 1: done said they did all kinds of research, but then
Speaker 1: they never released their researching. Yeah, that was the dating.
Speaker 1: They never said what it was. Yeah, so there's a
Speaker 1: lot of controversy around these there's not a lot of data,
Speaker 1: and it's partially because it comes out of China. Ink.
Speaker 1: The government has funded a lot of different research into
Speaker 1: these pipes, but none of the research has ever really
Speaker 1: been released, and they have allowed any foreign scientists and
Speaker 1: to have a look at these things. They're anoying. So
Speaker 1: the pipes according to tests carried out by a local smeltery.
Speaker 1: So how you say that word smelter. Smelter, I've never
Speaker 1: heard of a smelter, but maybe they exist somebody who
Speaker 1: specializes in these sort of things. It's it's a place
Speaker 1: that makes iron. Yeah. Yeah, these pipes that they sent
Speaker 1: a sample to this place, they're made mostly of iron,
Speaker 1: but they have an unusually high um of silicon dioxide dioxide,
Speaker 1: which is what our manhole covers are made out of.
Speaker 1: All right, so that's the same percentage. However, it's a
Speaker 1: very odd mixture find in an era when we didn't
Speaker 1: really know how to make fire, even right a consultant energeologists,
Speaker 1: I mean, does this occur naturally, this particular mixture. Maybe
Speaker 1: we'll get to that. Okay. A lot of people think
Speaker 1: that they're using that information to say that these are
Speaker 1: alien made. Of course, the aliens. Only one problem with that,
Speaker 1: and that's why would aliens be messing around with iron?
Speaker 1: You know, I think they make them out of titanium
Speaker 1: or plastic. Well, iron's easily found in earth. That's a
Speaker 1: good point, right, It's very easy to find. So you
Speaker 1: know the problem with these iron types is that if
Speaker 1: they are man made, it seems they may be they
Speaker 1: were being made before. There's any way that we could be,
Speaker 1: you know, smelting irons. So they're not man made, they're
Speaker 1: alien made. Maybe that's that's that's one of the theories
Speaker 1: right here. They're not naturally occurring. I think it's what
Speaker 1: you're getting at. Well, there's a theory that says they are.
Speaker 1: Well what a let's you run with this. There are
Speaker 1: some theories about this too are scientific, and one is
Speaker 1: the aliens theory are funny doing aliens? So but anyway,
Speaker 1: but you know, and by the way, I don't I
Speaker 1: don't mean we shouldn't, which a lot our listeners know
Speaker 1: that we're not saying that believing in an aliens is
Speaker 1: not scientific. No wrong with that. Yeah, it's it's a
Speaker 1: go to answer. Very often. I think that one of
Speaker 1: the arguments that um one of my problems with the
Speaker 1: aliens theory is that it's it's really narcissistic of us
Speaker 1: as humans to say, well, aliens took such an interest
Speaker 1: in us that they've built all this stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, but you know, actually, you know, they actually
Speaker 1: built in an area, in an area the world that's
Speaker 1: probably far away from where humans lived at that time, well,
Speaker 1: in an area that is inhospitable to humans. So the
Speaker 1: other thing that it was an alien spa. Right, So
Speaker 1: the some of the things that add to this alien
Speaker 1: theory um are that, you know, the pipes travel below
Speaker 1: the lake bed, which again, we couldn't even figure out
Speaker 1: how to make fire. How are we going to figure? Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: and they go horizontally under there, so like you lay that,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a that's an impressive feat. You know,
Speaker 1: even a hundred years ago, it's a pretty impressive feat
Speaker 1: to be able to lay something underwater. How did they
Speaker 1: so it's actually not it's the one through the lake.
Speaker 1: They run under the bottom of the lake bed. So
Speaker 1: so did they use like ground radar to find this?
Speaker 1: How do they find that these they're all connected? How
Speaker 1: they follow they dig up the bottom of the lake.
Speaker 1: But you know, I don't know that. Yeah, these things
Speaker 1: are really small, so I'm guessing they scope them. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that would be my assumption. So then they run parallel
Speaker 1: to the lake bed and then up into the mountain
Speaker 1: and through the mountain, and um they run vertically up
Speaker 1: all the way to the top of the mountain. Um
Speaker 1: where you know, as previously mentioned, up at the top
Speaker 1: of this mountain, it's humans can't live there, there's not
Speaker 1: enough anything. So like, how in inhabitable is this area?
Speaker 1: Like what's the local ambient temperature? I you know what,
Speaker 1: I don't know that information and I can't find it anywhere.
Speaker 1: The same for the like the height of the top
Speaker 1: of the Yeah, I can't find any of that information,
Speaker 1: which is bizarre. Yeah. The only thing you know that
Speaker 1: comes up on searches of mount by Goong is these pipes.
Speaker 1: It's kind of annoying. Yeah, it's very there's probably some
Speaker 1: geology websites somewhere geography website, excuse me, that's that's actually
Speaker 1: got the altitude of the mountain. But what I'm interested
Speaker 1: in finding out is like have they denity archaeological digs
Speaker 1: like on the top of the mountain where some hypothetical
Speaker 1: spaceport might have been to see if there's a remnant.
Speaker 1: Oh actually, yes, kind of maybe. The other thing that
Speaker 1: UFO ologists maintain about this being an alien sight is
Speaker 1: that there's a quote pyramid up at the top of
Speaker 1: the mountain. Um, you mean the peak of the mountain.
Speaker 1: It's not the peak of No, it's like offen the side.
Speaker 1: And apparently nobody has ever tried to excavate this pyramid,
Speaker 1: which seems like highly unlikely, right as like, literally I
Speaker 1: could not find any information and nobody all the reports
Speaker 1: that I read, has said that there's maybe this pyramid
Speaker 1: up here. It might be natural, but nobody's ever done
Speaker 1: any research on it, which is bizarre to me given
Speaker 1: the amount of attention to these pipes. So there may
Speaker 1: be some information suppressation going on there. You know, it's China.
Speaker 1: As far as I can tell, pretty much everybody agrees,
Speaker 1: even except for like the craziest of the crazy people.
Speaker 1: Pretty much everybody agrees that the pyramid is just like
Speaker 1: a natural formation on a mountain. You know, mountains get
Speaker 1: weird formations all the time. The other thing that supports
Speaker 1: the alien theory is that there's a really big anecdotal
Speaker 1: history within the locals that the Biagogue pipes were created
Speaker 1: by aliens, that they these people ancestors were very frequently
Speaker 1: visited by aliens, and you know there you get a
Speaker 1: lot of those stories throughout history. Um. But you know
Speaker 1: they're weird stone carvings around the pipes and the caves
Speaker 1: and they've been there for a really long time. And
Speaker 1: you know, if the local legend has it that it's
Speaker 1: been aliens, it's in Chinese. And I just have to
Speaker 1: take everybody's word for that's what they're saying. You know
Speaker 1: that it's not like a loose translation of what they're saying.
Speaker 1: It's not like people came from the sky. That they're
Speaker 1: actually saying beings from a different world came here. Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe maybe maybe it's aliens. Um. There are similar
Speaker 1: pipe like structures that have been found um from Jurassic
Speaker 1: sandstone in southwestern United States and some citronella formations in
Speaker 1: Louisiana that are generally linked to these pipes. So they're
Speaker 1: they're similar. Yeah, they are pipe like things. The similarity
Speaker 1: kind of stops there that they're like these hollow kind
Speaker 1: of pipe things. They're not made of metal, they're just
Speaker 1: kind of tubes through fossil So that leads me to no,
Speaker 1: so that leads me to the scientific explanations. UM. One
Speaker 1: is that their fostlight cast of trees that were like
Speaker 1: brought in by flood and then incorporated into the stone,
Speaker 1: which it seems to be that the the quote pipes
Speaker 1: in Louisiana and the ones in the southwestern United States
Speaker 1: might actually be that those pipes are really like kind
Speaker 1: of twisty turvy like roots would be. They could very
Speaker 1: easily be, you know, fossilized roots, fossilized trees like you
Speaker 1: would notice in a tree. Um. So that was the theory.
Speaker 1: And a scientist, a Chinese scientist who was sent in
Speaker 1: by the government, said he found fossils of tree rings
Speaker 1: also in the pipes. Then and then he said when
Speaker 1: they said, but you know, trees don't grow that straight
Speaker 1: and narrow because they're pretty little. Um, he said, oh yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I mean it was bamboo, but bamboo doesn't grow tree rings,
Speaker 1: so that doesn't totally add up, you know, and they're
Speaker 1: really they're really little and they're made of iron, so like,
Speaker 1: okay maybe and and and that was that was the
Speaker 1: theory that I I didn't I hadn't seen that. When
Speaker 1: I did the research on this story, the first thing
Speaker 1: I thought was it had to be some kind of
Speaker 1: bamboo like plant that then shot a giant tap root
Speaker 1: or had that that had the bamboo had been covered
Speaker 1: and then absorbed minerals from around it. In course, bamboos
Speaker 1: naturally hollow. That was the first thing my mind went to, Yeah,
Speaker 1: bamboo ye does grow, which I think is a great theory,
Speaker 1: except for the tree ring the rings in yeah, he
Speaker 1: said it was tree ring. He said that he found
Speaker 1: tree rings, which is like obviously not true, you know,
Speaker 1: And then scientists also say that, um, it's just like
Speaker 1: a natural formation, just like, oh yeah, that just formed
Speaker 1: naturally because it was a mix of silicon oxide and
Speaker 1: calcium oxide and just natural, which for me is like, okay,
Speaker 1: but do do natural formations Are they hollow like that usually?
Speaker 1: And then also do they like form in so many
Speaker 1: like vastly different situations and so vertically and horizontally and
Speaker 1: connect you know, I think if I if it were
Speaker 1: just like, oh, there are a couple of pipes kind
Speaker 1: of around, that's one thing that there are hundreds of
Speaker 1: these things and they are pretty much you know, they
Speaker 1: run pretty true, like the cardinal directions. They run in
Speaker 1: totally different you know areas. They run vertically and horizontally
Speaker 1: and not like diagonally, not really just like with the
Speaker 1: flow of anything. So yeah, so the theories. So there's
Speaker 1: the aliens, there's the tree rings or trees that got buried.
Speaker 1: Sound incredible natural formation, naturally formed somehow osmosis. Yeah wait,
Speaker 1: now wait, how big? How big your the biggest ones
Speaker 1: of these? Like, okay, so they're they're really they're not
Speaker 1: the biggest ones. Are that big and not that big?
Speaker 1: I think there there are some. Yeah, they're mostly like
Speaker 1: ten to forty centimeters. Well I'm sorry, we're in America.
Speaker 1: Sixteen inches four to sixteen inches and the sixteen inches
Speaker 1: is like it's not little. So wait wait is that
Speaker 1: sixteen across or in circumference? I think it's across? Okay,
Speaker 1: so well six is yeah, okay, so that's some of
Speaker 1: our pretty big chunks of pipe that, yeah, and that.
Speaker 1: But so if if the ones that they find they're
Speaker 1: say sixteen inches across, do they stay that they stay
Speaker 1: that diameter the whole link the pipe. Yeah, so they're
Speaker 1: they're like a reddish brown like pipe, rusty pipe, rusty
Speaker 1: like a rusty pipe color there. Uh. They range from
Speaker 1: two hundred and sixty ft long to like a hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty feet it's pretty long stretches of pipes. So
Speaker 1: what happens at the end of I mean, do they
Speaker 1: just stop? Do they just break? I mean, do we know?
Speaker 1: Because if we don't know that, I mean that that
Speaker 1: just is part of the course of this story, because
Speaker 1: there seems like there's so much a lot of information
Speaker 1: that's not released. Yeah, it's probably pretty hard. I mean
Speaker 1: without actually digging them up, you know, and then training
Speaker 1: draining the entire lake and then digging them all up.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, so they find they find like rusty, strange,
Speaker 1: rusty scraps around these areas, and strange stones and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. I assume the ones that are preserved are
Speaker 1: the ones that are like under the lake, embedded in
Speaker 1: the shore, are like in rock. If they are in
Speaker 1: fact a hundred thousand years old and they've been just
Speaker 1: like left to the elements, they're gonna corrode and just dissolve. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the thing they say. If it's full of iron,
Speaker 1: it should have rusted away a long time ago. So
Speaker 1: they seem really rusty. But you know, So I don't
Speaker 1: know what the I just thought. I just think these
Speaker 1: are really interesting. This is because that's front with right.
Speaker 1: I mean, if we've talked about it, so many issues
Speaker 1: have come okay with it's piece of iron or rusting.
Speaker 1: You know, it's gonna rust away. And we've all dealt
Speaker 1: with a rusty pipe that's been in a house for
Speaker 1: let's say fifty years and things falls apart. They're stuck
Speaker 1: in the ground, the rust away, but they might be
Speaker 1: disappeared after a Yeah, I mean, you know, I guess
Speaker 1: the only thing is that they're embedded in rock, right,
Speaker 1: so you kind of maybe they're better preserved. Maybe, you know,
Speaker 1: if they actually they would stay perfectly reserved until they're
Speaker 1: exposed to oxygen because yeah, because like you know, shipwrecks
Speaker 1: for example, Yeah, they're perfectly preserved until they bring out
Speaker 1: the bring them out to the surface, and that's when
Speaker 1: the deterioration starts. Yeah. So I don't know that. I
Speaker 1: think the obvious answer is too he's always got no.
Speaker 1: I mean, the obvious answer to find out what's going on,
Speaker 1: it's just to send in archaeological teams and start digging
Speaker 1: around for other artifacts and the soil, because if the
Speaker 1: aliens popped in and laid this whole network of pipes,
Speaker 1: they had to have left a bunch of other stuff
Speaker 1: stones weird stones. And that's literally all the information that
Speaker 1: there is on those stones is that they just described
Speaker 1: them as like weird stones. Like every single thing that
Speaker 1: you read, even though wiki like everything is just like
Speaker 1: oh yeah, and some strange stones are around there, it's
Speaker 1: just like, what, how are they strange? Like, yeah, really unhelpful.
Speaker 1: I've got to admit right now, this story frustrates me
Speaker 1: just because of the fact that we can't get any
Speaker 1: information on Yeah, and it's one of those stories. It
Speaker 1: seems as if if we let people in there and
Speaker 1: we got some pros who could go in and spread
Speaker 1: whatever findings they had to the world, this whatever this is,
Speaker 1: would be solved and dead and gone. But instead, for
Speaker 1: cultural reasons, we don't hear any of it. Right, That's
Speaker 1: what's frustrated. It's it's so easy to just go find
Speaker 1: then the mysteries bigger than we don't know, But now
Speaker 1: we don't have to rely on me. Oh well that's
Speaker 1: why we don't know. Yeah, absolutely, you know, And I
Speaker 1: think that um people are kind of satisfied with the
Speaker 1: misinformation because most people are just like, yeah, it's bamboo.
Speaker 1: It's clearly just fossilized bamboo. But you know, bamboo fossilized
Speaker 1: doesn't turn into iron, you know what I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 1: the other things. You know, I have never seen or
Speaker 1: heard of bamboo getting like sixteen inches and die it
Speaker 1: gets pretty big. Yeah, I guess big. I mean I've
Speaker 1: seen that seen like like five six inch diameter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know of it ever going
Speaker 1: to true tree proportion. Yeah. So I just think that
Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's it's really frustrating, and I think it's
Speaker 1: really interesting. And you know, they were discovered in the
Speaker 1: early two thousands, so, I mean it's been around for
Speaker 1: a while. At two thousand too, I think was the
Speaker 1: air that they ten years or so that we've known
Speaker 1: of their existence, as you know, it's spread to the
Speaker 1: rest of the world to know about, right. But you
Speaker 1: know that it's frustrating because if they are that old,
Speaker 1: then there are some serious mysteries to be solved here.
Speaker 1: You know, they are definitely artifacts that are found around
Speaker 1: the world that are dated to be just incredibly old,
Speaker 1: to be you know, really past what we think humanity
Speaker 1: was capable of that time. So you know, either our
Speaker 1: timeline of humanity is off, or our timeline of those
Speaker 1: things are off, or there's something else going on, and
Speaker 1: I I just want to know, you know, it's just
Speaker 1: it's a very interesting. Yeah, yeah, humanity. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: ancient man was able to do some amazing things. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: but you know, smell iron for pipes. Well, the thing
Speaker 1: about it is is like I'm not sure exactly Hell,
Speaker 1: this was I'm not sure exactly when man kind actually
Speaker 1: sort of moving out of Africa and into Asia and
Speaker 1: places like that, and it wasn't really that long ago,
Speaker 1: you know, So I mean I'd have to like go
Speaker 1: to you go out in the the World Wide Web to
Speaker 1: actually look that up. So this sounds like this kind
Speaker 1: of predates that. Yeah, it does. Yeah, there are definitely
Speaker 1: some other mysteries that I'm sure we will do shows
Speaker 1: on that you know, kind of tie into the same
Speaker 1: theme of like things we've found that are really old
Speaker 1: that should predate human capability but are place object out
Speaker 1: of place artifacts artifacts. Yeah, but yeah, it is it
Speaker 1: is it is that you know, it is true though
Speaker 1: that I mean our whole arc and paleontagical history or
Speaker 1: whatever the hell it is about mankind and archaelogical history.
Speaker 1: I mean we might have missed some major important clues
Speaker 1: and maybe mankind actually, some some really smart tribes actually
Speaker 1: moved out of Africa way before we thought if you
Speaker 1: would know about and maybe they know the flourished and
Speaker 1: built civilization. I mean they're copy I mean there's always
Speaker 1: that theory of the laws. Civilization is one group that
Speaker 1: left accelerated, but for whatever reason, died off and all
Speaker 1: the knowledge that they had was lost. Because a lot
Speaker 1: of civilizations, because they didn't have writing that we know of,
Speaker 1: transferred all their their knowledge verbally and so when the
Speaker 1: last one died off, all that knowledge was gone and
Speaker 1: had to be rediscovered later on. In fact, for the
Speaker 1: day when Cleopatra was born, the pyramids were already years old.
Speaker 1: Whoa I didn't like just to like give a scope
Speaker 1: of civilization. That's crazy. You don't think about that. And
Speaker 1: I you know, I think they were being built when
Speaker 1: she was an adult. What you will? Yeah, just like that.
Speaker 1: She was part of that. But another fun ancient already. Yeah,
Speaker 1: another fun fact speaking of that part of the world
Speaker 1: conscious pilot, you know, the conscious pilot. Do you know
Speaker 1: where he was born? Wait? Wait, can we back up? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Who is that ponscious pilot? He was the Roman governor
Speaker 1: of Palestine when it when Jesus was what Jesus was crucified. Yeah, so, uh,
Speaker 1: ponscious Pilot's birthplace was Nope, Nope, none other than England
Speaker 1: because yeah, actually the Roman Empire extended as far north
Speaker 1: as brought about half of England's Yeah, and so he
Speaker 1: was born in England, believe it or not. That's yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's totally irrelevant to what we're talking about. I
Speaker 1: definitely do an episode of like weird fun So, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can print this one out and then we'll put
Speaker 1: we'll pop it back in later. Uh. So, Yeah, if
Speaker 1: you speak Chinese or you know anything more, if you
Speaker 1: know anything more about the by Gong pipes, or if
Speaker 1: you know you know like how tall that mountain is
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