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<v Speaker 1>the answer too. Welcome to Thinking Sideways. I'm Devin, I'm Steve,

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<v Speaker 1>and I have an interesting thing to talk about today.

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<v Speaker 1>What kind of a conundrum sort of thing. Well, get started.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a little bit of a mystery. Um So in

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<v Speaker 1>rural China, in a location that is widely considered to

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<v Speaker 1>be uninhabitable, by humans. There are three openings into a

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<v Speaker 1>mountain called Mount by Agog by a Gong by Gong

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<v Speaker 1>that contain hundreds of very out of place artifacts. So

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<v Speaker 1>this is out of place artifactory, out of place artifacts story,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, out of place artifacts story is so out

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<v Speaker 1>of place artifacts are really really unusual or found in

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<v Speaker 1>really improbable contexts, things like the crystal skulls of Mexico

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<v Speaker 1>that they referenced in the Indiana Jones movies recently moved recently.

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<v Speaker 1>There's an iron pillar in Delhi, India, And there's a

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<v Speaker 1>the I can never say the name that mechanism that

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<v Speaker 1>they found in Greece that was sunk in a ship. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That one is supposed to be like an old clock

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<v Speaker 1>or something that's like a really long time ago. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I can and I can never say the name. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure they will talk about these future think they're all

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<v Speaker 1>really really out of place artifacts. But so this one

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<v Speaker 1>is Um. They're iron pipes, uh. And some of the

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<v Speaker 1>pipes run deep into the mountain um and others run

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<v Speaker 1>under a lake. Some of them run near a lake

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<v Speaker 1>and they come through the cave system. They come through

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<v Speaker 1>the caves. Yeah, there are pipes that uh they Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they run all over this little area here. Um. They're

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<v Speaker 1>cleanly cut um, which indicates that they were used at

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<v Speaker 1>one time and that they were man made. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>they're just pipes. Well, they're just pipes. But archaeologists have

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<v Speaker 1>dated them to a time when humanity was still trying

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out fire. That's what five eight thousand years ago. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's longer than that, but still a long time ago. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, I think we figured out fire like

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<v Speaker 1>more like a hundred thousand years ago or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But so there, you know, and I couldn't find any dates.

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<v Speaker 1>I looked at a lot of sites and all everything

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<v Speaker 1>just references like when we were still basically Neanderthals. It says,

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<v Speaker 1>as we're figuring out how to work fire, this is

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<v Speaker 1>when this time, this is the time frame for these pipes.

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<v Speaker 1>And I remember reading about this that there was something

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<v Speaker 1>about the it correct me if I'm wrong, Kevin, But

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<v Speaker 1>isn't there stuff about the fact that Chinese government had

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<v Speaker 1>done said they did all kinds of research, but then

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<v Speaker 1>they never released their researching. Yeah, that was the dating.

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<v Speaker 1>They never said what it was. Yeah, so there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of controversy around these there's not a lot of data,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's partially because it comes out of China. Ink.

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<v Speaker 1>The government has funded a lot of different research into

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<v Speaker 1>these pipes, but none of the research has ever really

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<v Speaker 1>been released, and they have allowed any foreign scientists and

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<v Speaker 1>to have a look at these things. They're anoying. So

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<v Speaker 1>the pipes according to tests carried out by a local smeltery.

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<v Speaker 1>So how you say that word smelter. Smelter, I've never

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<v Speaker 1>heard of a smelter, but maybe they exist somebody who

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<v Speaker 1>specializes in these sort of things. It's it's a place

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<v Speaker 1>that makes iron. Yeah. Yeah, these pipes that they sent

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<v Speaker 1>a sample to this place, they're made mostly of iron,

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<v Speaker 1>but they have an unusually high um of silicon dioxide dioxide,

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<v Speaker 1>which is what our manhole covers are made out of.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, so that's the same percentage. However, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>very odd mixture find in an era when we didn't

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<v Speaker 1>really know how to make fire, even right a consultant energeologists,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, does this occur naturally, this particular mixture. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get to that. Okay. A lot of people think

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<v Speaker 1>that they're using that information to say that these are

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<v Speaker 1>alien made. Of course, the aliens. Only one problem with that,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's why would aliens be messing around with iron?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I think they make them out of titanium

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<v Speaker 1>or plastic. Well, iron's easily found in earth. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>good point, right, It's very easy to find. So you

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<v Speaker 1>know the problem with these iron types is that if

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<v Speaker 1>they are man made, it seems they may be they

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<v Speaker 1>were being made before. There's any way that we could be,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, smelting irons. So they're not man made, they're

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<v Speaker 1>alien made. Maybe that's that's that's one of the theories

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<v Speaker 1>right here. They're not naturally occurring. I think it's what

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<v Speaker 1>you're getting at. Well, there's a theory that says they are.

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<v Speaker 1>Well what a let's you run with this. There are

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<v Speaker 1>some theories about this too are scientific, and one is

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<v Speaker 1>the aliens theory are funny doing aliens? So but anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, and by the way, I don't I

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<v Speaker 1>don't mean we shouldn't, which a lot our listeners know

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<v Speaker 1>that we're not saying that believing in an aliens is

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<v Speaker 1>not scientific. No wrong with that. Yeah, it's it's a

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<v Speaker 1>go to answer. Very often. I think that one of

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<v Speaker 1>the arguments that um one of my problems with the

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<v Speaker 1>aliens theory is that it's it's really narcissistic of us

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<v Speaker 1>as humans to say, well, aliens took such an interest

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<v Speaker 1>in us that they've built all this stuff, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, but you know, actually, you know, they actually

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<v Speaker 1>built in an area, in an area the world that's

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<v Speaker 1>probably far away from where humans lived at that time, well,

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<v Speaker 1>in an area that is inhospitable to humans. So the

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<v Speaker 1>other thing that it was an alien spa. Right, So

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<v Speaker 1>the some of the things that add to this alien

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<v Speaker 1>theory um are that, you know, the pipes travel below

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<v Speaker 1>the lake bed, which again, we couldn't even figure out

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<v Speaker 1>how to make fire. How are we going to figure? Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>and they go horizontally under there, so like you lay that,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's a that's an impressive feat. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>even a hundred years ago, it's a pretty impressive feat

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to lay something underwater. How did they

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<v Speaker 1>so it's actually not it's the one through the lake.

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<v Speaker 1>They run under the bottom of the lake bed. So

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<v Speaker 1>so did they use like ground radar to find this?

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<v Speaker 1>How do they find that these they're all connected? How

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<v Speaker 1>they follow they dig up the bottom of the lake.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, I don't know that. Yeah, these things

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<v Speaker 1>are really small, so I'm guessing they scope them. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that would be my assumption. So then they run parallel

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<v Speaker 1>to the lake bed and then up into the mountain

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<v Speaker 1>and through the mountain, and um they run vertically up

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<v Speaker 1>all the way to the top of the mountain. Um

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<v Speaker 1>where you know, as previously mentioned, up at the top

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<v Speaker 1>of this mountain, it's humans can't live there, there's not

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<v Speaker 1>enough anything. So like, how in inhabitable is this area?

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<v Speaker 1>Like what's the local ambient temperature? I you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that information and I can't find it anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>The same for the like the height of the top

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<v Speaker 1>of the Yeah, I can't find any of that information,

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<v Speaker 1>which is bizarre. Yeah. The only thing you know that

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<v Speaker 1>comes up on searches of mount by Goong is these pipes.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of annoying. Yeah, it's very there's probably some

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<v Speaker 1>geology websites somewhere geography website, excuse me, that's that's actually

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<v Speaker 1>got the altitude of the mountain. But what I'm interested

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<v Speaker 1>in finding out is like have they denity archaeological digs

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<v Speaker 1>like on the top of the mountain where some hypothetical

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<v Speaker 1>spaceport might have been to see if there's a remnant.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh actually, yes, kind of maybe. The other thing that

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<v Speaker 1>UFO ologists maintain about this being an alien sight is

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<v Speaker 1>that there's a quote pyramid up at the top of

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<v Speaker 1>the mountain. Um, you mean the peak of the mountain.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not the peak of No, it's like offen the side.

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<v Speaker 1>And apparently nobody has ever tried to excavate this pyramid,

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<v Speaker 1>which seems like highly unlikely, right as like, literally I

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<v Speaker 1>could not find any information and nobody all the reports

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<v Speaker 1>that I read, has said that there's maybe this pyramid

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<v Speaker 1>up here. It might be natural, but nobody's ever done

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<v Speaker 1>any research on it, which is bizarre to me given

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<v Speaker 1>the amount of attention to these pipes. So there may

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<v Speaker 1>be some information suppressation going on there. You know, it's China.

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<v Speaker 1>As far as I can tell, pretty much everybody agrees,

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<v Speaker 1>even except for like the craziest of the crazy people.

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty much everybody agrees that the pyramid is just like

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<v Speaker 1>a natural formation on a mountain. You know, mountains get

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<v Speaker 1>weird formations all the time. The other thing that supports

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<v Speaker 1>the alien theory is that there's a really big anecdotal

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<v Speaker 1>history within the locals that the Biagogue pipes were created

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<v Speaker 1>by aliens, that they these people ancestors were very frequently

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<v Speaker 1>visited by aliens, and you know there you get a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of those stories throughout history. Um. But you know

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<v Speaker 1>they're weird stone carvings around the pipes and the caves

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<v Speaker 1>and they've been there for a really long time. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if the local legend has it that it's

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<v Speaker 1>been aliens, it's in Chinese. And I just have to

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<v Speaker 1>take everybody's word for that's what they're saying. You know

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<v Speaker 1>that it's not like a loose translation of what they're saying.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like people came from the sky. That they're

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<v Speaker 1>actually saying beings from a different world came here. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe maybe maybe maybe it's aliens. Um. There are similar

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<v Speaker 1>pipe like structures that have been found um from Jurassic

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<v Speaker 1>sandstone in southwestern United States and some citronella formations in

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<v Speaker 1>Louisiana that are generally linked to these pipes. So they're

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<v Speaker 1>they're similar. Yeah, they are pipe like things. The similarity

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<v Speaker 1>kind of stops there that they're like these hollow kind

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<v Speaker 1>of pipe things. They're not made of metal, they're just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of tubes through fossil So that leads me to no,

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<v Speaker 1>so that leads me to the scientific explanations. UM. One

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<v Speaker 1>is that their fostlight cast of trees that were like

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<v Speaker 1>brought in by flood and then incorporated into the stone,

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<v Speaker 1>which it seems to be that the the quote pipes

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<v Speaker 1>in Louisiana and the ones in the southwestern United States

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<v Speaker 1>might actually be that those pipes are really like kind

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<v Speaker 1>of twisty turvy like roots would be. They could very

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<v Speaker 1>easily be, you know, fossilized roots, fossilized trees like you

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<v Speaker 1>would notice in a tree. Um. So that was the theory.

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<v Speaker 1>And a scientist, a Chinese scientist who was sent in

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<v Speaker 1>by the government, said he found fossils of tree rings

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<v Speaker 1>also in the pipes. Then and then he said when

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<v Speaker 1>they said, but you know, trees don't grow that straight

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<v Speaker 1>and narrow because they're pretty little. Um, he said, oh yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it was bamboo, but bamboo doesn't grow tree rings,

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<v Speaker 1>so that doesn't totally add up, you know, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>really they're really little and they're made of iron, so like,

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<v Speaker 1>okay maybe and and and that was that was the

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<v Speaker 1>theory that I I didn't I hadn't seen that. When

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<v Speaker 1>I did the research on this story, the first thing

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<v Speaker 1>I thought was it had to be some kind of

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<v Speaker 1>bamboo like plant that then shot a giant tap root

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<v Speaker 1>or had that that had the bamboo had been covered

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<v Speaker 1>and then absorbed minerals from around it. In course, bamboos

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<v Speaker 1>naturally hollow. That was the first thing my mind went to, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>bamboo ye does grow, which I think is a great theory,

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<v Speaker 1>except for the tree ring the rings in yeah, he

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<v Speaker 1>said it was tree ring. He said that he found

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<v Speaker 1>tree rings, which is like obviously not true, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>And then scientists also say that, um, it's just like

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<v Speaker 1>a natural formation, just like, oh yeah, that just formed

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<v Speaker 1>naturally because it was a mix of silicon oxide and

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<v Speaker 1>calcium oxide and just natural, which for me is like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but do do natural formations Are they hollow like that usually?

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<v Speaker 1>And then also do they like form in so many

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<v Speaker 1>like vastly different situations and so vertically and horizontally and

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<v Speaker 1>connect you know, I think if I if it were

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<v Speaker 1>just like, oh, there are a couple of pipes kind

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<v Speaker 1>of around, that's one thing that there are hundreds of

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<v Speaker 1>these things and they are pretty much you know, they

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<v Speaker 1>run pretty true, like the cardinal directions. They run in

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<v Speaker 1>totally different you know areas. They run vertically and horizontally

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<v Speaker 1>and not like diagonally, not really just like with the

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<v Speaker 1>flow of anything. So yeah, so the theories. So there's

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<v Speaker 1>the aliens, there's the tree rings or trees that got buried.

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<v Speaker 1>Sound incredible natural formation, naturally formed somehow osmosis. Yeah wait,

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<v Speaker 1>now wait, how big? How big your the biggest ones

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<v Speaker 1>of these? Like, okay, so they're they're really they're not

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest ones. Are that big and not that big?

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<v Speaker 1>I think there there are some. Yeah, they're mostly like

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<v Speaker 1>ten to forty centimeters. Well I'm sorry, we're in America.

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<v Speaker 1>Sixteen inches four to sixteen inches and the sixteen inches

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<v Speaker 1>is like it's not little. So wait wait is that

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen across or in circumference? I think it's across? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so well six is yeah, okay, so that's some of

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<v Speaker 1>our pretty big chunks of pipe that, yeah, and that.

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<v Speaker 1>But so if if the ones that they find they're

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<v Speaker 1>say sixteen inches across, do they stay that they stay

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<v Speaker 1>that diameter the whole link the pipe. Yeah, so they're

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<v Speaker 1>they're like a reddish brown like pipe, rusty pipe, rusty

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<v Speaker 1>like a rusty pipe color there. Uh. They range from

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred and sixty ft long to like a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and thirty feet it's pretty long stretches of pipes. So

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<v Speaker 1>what happens at the end of I mean, do they

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<v Speaker 1>just stop? Do they just break? I mean, do we know?

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<v Speaker 1>Because if we don't know that, I mean that that

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<v Speaker 1>just is part of the course of this story, because

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<v Speaker 1>there seems like there's so much a lot of information

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<v Speaker 1>that's not released. Yeah, it's probably pretty hard. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>without actually digging them up, you know, and then training

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<v Speaker 1>draining the entire lake and then digging them all up.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, yeah, so they find they find like rusty, strange,

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<v Speaker 1>rusty scraps around these areas, and strange stones and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like that. I assume the ones that are preserved are

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<v Speaker 1>the ones that are like under the lake, embedded in

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<v Speaker 1>the shore, are like in rock. If they are in

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<v Speaker 1>fact a hundred thousand years old and they've been just

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<v Speaker 1>like left to the elements, they're gonna corrode and just dissolve. Well, yeah,

0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:13.800
<v Speaker 1>that's the thing they say. If it's full of iron,

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<v Speaker 1>it should have rusted away a long time ago. So

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<v Speaker 1>they seem really rusty. But you know, So I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what the I just thought. I just think these

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<v Speaker 1>are really interesting. This is because that's front with right.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if we've talked about it, so many issues

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<v Speaker 1>have come okay with it's piece of iron or rusting.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's gonna rust away. And we've all dealt

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<v Speaker 1>with a rusty pipe that's been in a house for

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<v Speaker 1>let's say fifty years and things falls apart. They're stuck

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<v Speaker 1>in the ground, the rust away, but they might be

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<v Speaker 1>disappeared after a Yeah, I mean, you know, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>the only thing is that they're embedded in rock, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so you kind of maybe they're better preserved. Maybe, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if they actually they would stay perfectly reserved until they're

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<v Speaker 1>exposed to oxygen because yeah, because like you know, shipwrecks

0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:06.480
<v Speaker 1>for example, Yeah, they're perfectly preserved until they bring out

0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:09.080
<v Speaker 1>the bring them out to the surface, and that's when

0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:12.800
<v Speaker 1>the deterioration starts. Yeah. So I don't know that. I

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<v Speaker 1>think the obvious answer is too he's always got no.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the obvious answer to find out what's going on,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just to send in archaeological teams and start digging

0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:24.280
<v Speaker 1>around for other artifacts and the soil, because if the

0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:26.680
<v Speaker 1>aliens popped in and laid this whole network of pipes,

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<v Speaker 1>they had to have left a bunch of other stuff

0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:32.960
<v Speaker 1>stones weird stones. And that's literally all the information that

0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:35.240
<v Speaker 1>there is on those stones is that they just described

0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:41.679
<v Speaker 1>them as like weird stones. Like every single thing that

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<v Speaker 1>you read, even though wiki like everything is just like

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, and some strange stones are around there, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just like, what, how are they strange? Like, yeah, really unhelpful.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got to admit right now, this story frustrates me

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<v Speaker 1>just because of the fact that we can't get any

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<v Speaker 1>information on Yeah, and it's one of those stories. It

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<v Speaker 1>seems as if if we let people in there and

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<v Speaker 1>we got some pros who could go in and spread

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<v Speaker 1>whatever findings they had to the world, this whatever this is,

0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:17.040
<v Speaker 1>would be solved and dead and gone. But instead, for

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<v Speaker 1>cultural reasons, we don't hear any of it. Right, That's

0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:22.880
<v Speaker 1>what's frustrated. It's it's so easy to just go find

0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:25.200
<v Speaker 1>then the mysteries bigger than we don't know, But now

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<v Speaker 1>we don't have to rely on me. Oh well that's

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<v Speaker 1>why we don't know. Yeah, absolutely, you know, And I

0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:33.960
<v Speaker 1>think that um people are kind of satisfied with the

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<v Speaker 1>misinformation because most people are just like, yeah, it's bamboo.

0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:41.960
<v Speaker 1>It's clearly just fossilized bamboo. But you know, bamboo fossilized

0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:44.200
<v Speaker 1>doesn't turn into iron, you know what I mean? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the other things. You know, I have never seen or

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<v Speaker 1>heard of bamboo getting like sixteen inches and die it

0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:52.720
<v Speaker 1>gets pretty big. Yeah, I guess big. I mean I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen that seen like like five six inch diameter. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't know of it ever going

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<v Speaker 1>to true tree proportion. Yeah. So I just think that

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<v Speaker 1>it's yeah, it's it's really frustrating, and I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>really interesting. And you know, they were discovered in the

0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:12.240
<v Speaker 1>early two thousands, so, I mean it's been around for

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<v Speaker 1>a while. At two thousand too, I think was the

0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:16.960
<v Speaker 1>air that they ten years or so that we've known

0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:19.960
<v Speaker 1>of their existence, as you know, it's spread to the

0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:21.679
<v Speaker 1>rest of the world to know about, right. But you

0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:24.280
<v Speaker 1>know that it's frustrating because if they are that old,

0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:27.800
<v Speaker 1>then there are some serious mysteries to be solved here.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they are definitely artifacts that are found around

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<v Speaker 1>the world that are dated to be just incredibly old,

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<v Speaker 1>to be you know, really past what we think humanity

0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:42.440
<v Speaker 1>was capable of that time. So you know, either our

0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:44.720
<v Speaker 1>timeline of humanity is off, or our timeline of those

0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:46.800
<v Speaker 1>things are off, or there's something else going on, and

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<v Speaker 1>I I just want to know, you know, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>it's a very interesting. Yeah, yeah, humanity. I mean, you know,

0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:57.880
<v Speaker 1>ancient man was able to do some amazing things. Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, smell iron for pipes. Well, the thing

0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:04.359
<v Speaker 1>about it is is like I'm not sure exactly Hell,

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<v Speaker 1>this was I'm not sure exactly when man kind actually

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<v Speaker 1>sort of moving out of Africa and into Asia and

0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:11.960
<v Speaker 1>places like that, and it wasn't really that long ago,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, So I mean I'd have to like go

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<v Speaker 1>to you go out in the the World Wide Web to

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<v Speaker 1>actually look that up. So this sounds like this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of predates that. Yeah, it does. Yeah, there are definitely

0:20:23.720 --> 0:20:27.080
<v Speaker 1>some other mysteries that I'm sure we will do shows

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<v Speaker 1>on that you know, kind of tie into the same

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<v Speaker 1>theme of like things we've found that are really old

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<v Speaker 1>that should predate human capability but are place object out

0:20:39.160 --> 0:20:42.399
<v Speaker 1>of place artifacts artifacts. Yeah, but yeah, it is it

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<v Speaker 1>is it is that you know, it is true though

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<v Speaker 1>that I mean our whole arc and paleontagical history or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever the hell it is about mankind and archaelogical history.

0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:53.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean we might have missed some major important clues

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe mankind actually, some some really smart tribes actually

0:20:57.800 --> 0:21:00.680
<v Speaker 1>moved out of Africa way before we thought if you

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<v Speaker 1>would know about and maybe they know the flourished and

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<v Speaker 1>built civilization. I mean they're copy I mean there's always

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<v Speaker 1>that theory of the laws. Civilization is one group that

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<v Speaker 1>left accelerated, but for whatever reason, died off and all

0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:17.240
<v Speaker 1>the knowledge that they had was lost. Because a lot

0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:20.320
<v Speaker 1>of civilizations, because they didn't have writing that we know of,

0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:24.359
<v Speaker 1>transferred all their their knowledge verbally and so when the

0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:26.800
<v Speaker 1>last one died off, all that knowledge was gone and

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<v Speaker 1>had to be rediscovered later on. In fact, for the

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<v Speaker 1>day when Cleopatra was born, the pyramids were already years old.

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<v Speaker 1>Whoa I didn't like just to like give a scope

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<v Speaker 1>of civilization. That's crazy. You don't think about that. And

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<v Speaker 1>I you know, I think they were being built when

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<v Speaker 1>she was an adult. What you will? Yeah, just like that.

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<v Speaker 1>She was part of that. But another fun ancient already. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>another fun fact speaking of that part of the world

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<v Speaker 1>conscious pilot, you know, the conscious pilot. Do you know

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<v Speaker 1>where he was born? Wait? Wait, can we back up? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Who is that ponscious pilot? He was the Roman governor

0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:15.000
<v Speaker 1>of Palestine when it when Jesus was what Jesus was crucified. Yeah, so, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>ponscious Pilot's birthplace was Nope, Nope, none other than England

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<v Speaker 1>because yeah, actually the Roman Empire extended as far north

0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:26.359
<v Speaker 1>as brought about half of England's Yeah, and so he

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<v Speaker 1>was born in England, believe it or not. That's yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And that's totally irrelevant to what we're talking about. I

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<v Speaker 1>definitely do an episode of like weird fun So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I can print this one out and then we'll put

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<v Speaker 1>we'll pop it back in later. Uh. So, Yeah, if

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<v Speaker 1>you speak Chinese or you know anything more, if you

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<v Speaker 1>know anything more about the by Gong pipes, or if

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