1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: Man, what's going on? Guys? We're back with another week 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: of the NFL Player Podcast, and I have another legend 3 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 1: sit on the couch here, a former m v P 4 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: Sean Alexander Shan. How you doing? What's're up to? What's 5 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: going on? Man? So when I'm up to is a lot. 6 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: But man, I'm doing great. My wife and I we 7 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 1: just had our twelfth child and so so family life 8 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: is good man. I think when they gave me, you 9 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: know they do they give me some information on the 10 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: guests so I can lead the conversation. And I think 11 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: when they gave me the papers earlier today, you had 12 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: ten kids? Yeah, yeah, that was that was that was 13 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 1: probably a week ago. Well yeah, yeah, so yeah, we 14 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 1: just had twelve, and uh, family is good man. I'm 15 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: all about family and letting people see it and be 16 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: a part of it and know that it's still at 17 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: twelve kids. How does that work? It's a lot too, 18 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: And I think I can't do another week. Yeah, you 19 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: know what, there's like certain numbers that make you feel 20 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: that too. Does that for? Does that? But if you 21 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: press through, you actually get into a groove. And you know, 22 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: our oldest is eighteen. She just graduated the baby six 23 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 1: months and and so there's there's two different cultures going 24 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: on all the time, you know, and so all right, um, 25 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 1: and it kind of start bouncing each other out, like 26 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: you know, you get the eight year old kid, they 27 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: don't whine because they see a one year old and 28 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: I went, I'm not the baby when I'm gonna wint 29 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: over the little stuff, you know. And so so everybody 30 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 1: kind of gets into their groove and a lot of 31 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: daddy dates sometimes do group daddy dates when you and 32 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: the wife go out on a date. I guess you 33 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: have the older kids to watch. Younger kids have four 34 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: babysitters in there. Yeah. Yeah, so the oldest three are 35 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: girls to fourteen, sixteen, and eighteen. So so they kind 36 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: of help. We got some good neighbors, some good family 37 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: friends will come by. So the age wise, how many girls, 38 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: how many boys? Nine girls? Three boys? Okay, so we 39 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: can feel a legit. I mean, oh yeah, women's basketball 40 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: team team or yeah, even if you wanted to play 41 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: you know, bowing girl flag football, we can we can 42 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: put a whole game together. You know. Oh that's that's well, 43 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: bless you brother, that's patience right there. And I can't 44 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: say I'm gonna do twelve. But you know me complaining 45 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: about two sometimes with my wife, You're gonna give me 46 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: a little more. I can think about you with twelve. 47 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,839 Speaker 1: So let's dip into your you're playing career. I'm here, 48 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: We're here in l A. I just was at the 49 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: NFL Honor show. I saw the MVP go to Aaron Rodgers. 50 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: I see a lot of quarterbacks get m v P 51 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: and you want to m v P at at running back. 52 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: So how did that go? Yeah? You know that year, 53 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: I tell people it was probably the most mental, physically, 54 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: emotionally and spiritually like strong I've ever been all together 55 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: normally be like, man, I'm strong. Mentally, physically we could, spiritually, 56 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: we can. Emotionally. That was just a really strong, strong 57 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: year for me. Just really focused and and every place 58 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: where you know, people getting the zone in basketball just 59 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: makes sense. They keep on shoot shots, it goes in. 60 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: I was like that, you know, running stretch to the left, 61 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, don't want to cut back now, 62 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: I'm not feeling that stay outside safety follows down the 63 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: sideline for a fifty yard touchdown. You know, it was 64 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: like that every week for the whole year. You know, 65 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: and uh, and so, so what happens is is as 66 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: the game's going on, normally, quarterbacks win the m v 67 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: P normally normally, Uh, it just kind of falls that way. 68 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: It's because they touched the ball so much. Um for 69 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: running back to get it, you gotta break some kind 70 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: of records that the seat. The team has to be 71 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: really good. We're thirteen and three that year, and the 72 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: last game was against Green Bay and we didn't really 73 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: play everybody, you know what I mean. So, so, you know, 74 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: but then the last part is, um, it just has 75 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: to fall the right where they know the offense goes 76 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: around you, you know what I mean. It's gonna always 77 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: be hard for running backs when your quarterbacks Tom Brady 78 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: or Peyton Maineing or you know that that kind of thing. 79 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: And so, um, you know, our quarterback was solid hassleback 80 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: and it's solid quarterback, but the offense got to run 81 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: through me. And so that's that's what gave me the shot. 82 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: Do you have any stories from that season in terms 83 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: of you know, every year, I feel like in the 84 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: NFL you talked about being aligned. I feel like there's 85 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: trials and tribulations. I feel like every season doesn't go. 86 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: How I pictured it going right? I figured, oh, you know, 87 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: I had a great training camp, I'm gonna come out 88 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: real hot, and our team might start to a slow start, 89 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, or hey, you know it was coming 90 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: off a rehab. I don't know, I might you know, 91 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: ease into this thing and then boom, my start off 92 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: the season hot or whatever it is. Is there a 93 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: story from that season where had some adversity and you 94 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: pushed through it or was it all going so easy 95 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: for now? You know my I played with my rookie contract, 96 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: you know. So you know I'm going to Pro Bowl 97 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: and you know, I'm my other dudes they getting paid 98 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: five six million dollars year. I'm getting paid three hundred thousand, 99 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: you know. So so it was rough. So we we 100 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: had this conversation with with the Seahawks, and it was like, 101 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: look y'all, y'all, now franchise me. It sounds great, but 102 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: you know you gottn't pay me three hundred, four hundred 103 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: five hundred. Now I'm getting six million for this one 104 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: year year. But y'all know what I've done, you know, 105 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: And so so let's let's let's let's sign a deal 106 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: because I'm not gonna come in unless unless we all 107 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: agree that you'll never franchise me again. And so they 108 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 1: were like, yeah, let's let's do it. And so I 109 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: was late to training camp because of that. And so 110 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 1: then we had our second child, you know, and so 111 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: and so I come in and uh, I go to 112 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: all the linemen and the fullback and I get in 113 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: and we all we all sit down and bring bread together. 114 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: And I just said, hey, fellas, sorry i'm late. Let's 115 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 1: go do something special. And I thought, okay, we're gonna 116 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: get on the run. And and we look up and 117 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: we're two and two after the first four games. I'm like, 118 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: this is not special. And uh, and I remember our 119 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 1: coach and Mike Congroom was to coach. He came in there. 120 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 1: He said, I don't know what it is. We're not 121 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: taking the next leap everybody, you know, we need to 122 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: sell out. And like literally, we won the next eleven 123 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: games and it just we just skyrockets every everything. Yeah, 124 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: ever we got in the groove and that's the plays 125 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: was wonderful, you know what I mean. And um, and 126 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 1: we we just got them. I mean, it was so 127 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: going so good. I remember I had equipment stuff going on, 128 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: we was in Arizona, going to the locker room right 129 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: and right to half. They're trying to fix stuff, you 130 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: know what I mean. And I'm not feeling good. I'm 131 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: feeling sick, so I'm sick. Equipment is not working. Helmet 132 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: showed the past. You know. They go back out for 133 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 1: halftime and with defense on the field. First, I come 134 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 1: down the tunnel and the old Arizona staying before the one, 135 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: and now come down the tunnel. When I see that 136 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: the memoir is my backup, and I just kind of 137 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 1: waving into the sideline. I go right onto the huddle, 138 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 1: you know, off the point ninety here, no solid cut back, 139 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: eight eight yard touchdown. Everybody's going nuts, you know what 140 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: I mean, come over. I'm like, he goes. I do 141 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: even know he was in the game, you know, Like 142 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: that's how that year went, Like it would just falling 143 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: in the right place, like he called plays and you know, 144 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna get the offense. Yeah, it was awesome. 145 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: Well what was your favorite play? What was your favorite 146 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: type of run? What did you know? I was like, 147 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: all right, this is my bread and butter. Uh, the 148 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 1: old blast, you know, the old nine weeks I lead 149 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: play you know, I mean, so tight into the right, 150 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: run off to the left, and uh yeah, Downhill had 151 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: a great fullback that would would hurt you for showing 152 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: up to the party, you know what I mean? And 153 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: and uh and you know we play the game where 154 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: I just said that every everybody covers their man like 155 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: just no one swings and misses. I'm gonna make everybody right. 156 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: And so I would just stay in the A gap. 157 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: And you know, Alabama did the same play. And then 158 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: my high school was a power out of offense and 159 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: we did the same way. So I ran. I learned 160 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: how to run that same play. You run power in 161 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: high school, you split the two two tight ends out. 162 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: That's the same thing in uh in college, you know 163 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: what I mean, and you take the full back and 164 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: the wing back out. Now you got the same play 165 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: in the pros, you know. So so I love that 166 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: just comes straight downhill and I'm just gonna I'm gonna 167 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: put every boy in the right situation and one on 168 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: one guy make that safety. All right, he's in safety. 169 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: So that's what I listen when I running back like 170 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: Sean Alexander comes downhill and the A gap untouched straight 171 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: up to the safety that's a lot of space to 172 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: make that a lot. It's a tough position to put 173 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: that safety in. And we don't like when a runner 174 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: backs come on touch to us. That's right. And you know, 175 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: and I learned from John Randall. You know, he played defense, 176 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: you know, Hall of Famer. And I saw him carrying 177 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: around this big booklet like my my second year came 178 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: over to Seattle and I said, hey, what what you're 179 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: carying around with you? And he said, I study everything 180 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: about everybody, and so I know everything you go. I 181 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: don't know about your mom, and you don't like he'd 182 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: be all in everybody's business. And I thought, oh man, 183 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: you know I'm gonna get into the mama talked, but 184 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: why do I not know if if the safety has 185 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: got a bad shoulder or you? And I just started 186 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: studying everybody, and so it became even harder to tackle 187 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: me because I could just see your number. Now, here's 188 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: the injury, here's here's where they don't tackle. Well, here's 189 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: the kind of planes I've seen the miss and I 190 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: just running there and I would I would get them 191 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: into their weak spot. And so I made a lot 192 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: of runs just just going off of them and being like, man, 193 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: I saw you missed this way a guy showing your 194 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: opponents to be able to do that in that one 195 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: hundredth of a second, say oh, this guy had to 196 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: sprained his ankle two weeks ago. That's right. I think 197 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: that's how you went in m V. That's it, ask. 198 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: I've never had a running back tell me that that. 199 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: He said it. His weakness is usually it's I don't 200 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 1: even see that. Man, I'm foking my past and most 201 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: of it comes in naturally. Ye. So, and it does. 202 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 1: But if you see that number, you know there was 203 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 1: as I think a story of somebody that you I do. 204 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: I don't want to say the name, but I knew 205 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: that I knew a body part was hurt, and so 206 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: I jabbed like I was gonna go towards the body 207 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: part and spun the other way, and I spun him around. 208 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: He fell on the ground, and you know when I 209 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: when I see him, I was like, yeah, I was like, yeah, 210 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: I know, you've prospected yourself. But you know it turned 211 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 1: to like a forty yard touchdown run. It pulled the 212 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 1: game away, you know what I mean? And he's like, dude, 213 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: how you do me like that? So what about some players. Now, 214 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 1: what are some running backs you like? I think you 215 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: know the game what they asked for the running back 216 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: position to do. I always like the running backs one 217 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: of the most valuable players on the field with the 218 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: past concepts of the past protection. Um so one, who 219 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: are similiar running backs that that you like in their game? 220 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 1: And to how do you see yourself fitting in the 221 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,839 Speaker 1: modern NFL with everything they're asking the back to do? Yeah, no, 222 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: it's interesting, you know, I still like old school downhill. 223 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: So Derrick Henry's like, that's my nephew right there, you 224 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: get it, you know what I mean? And so, so 225 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: he's he's the one. I think Naja Harris is the 226 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,599 Speaker 1: guy that kind of transitions that the best you know 227 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: what I mean, pass out the backfield. Pass protection can 228 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: still come down here, I do, I do. We can't 229 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: help it, but but we watch it. But I think 230 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:29,839 Speaker 1: Joe mixing with the Bengals is special. I think he's 231 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 1: actually even better than what most people even know. I 232 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: saw him run a stretch run in the NFC Championship 233 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:36,959 Speaker 1: game and I thought, oh, he actually knows how to 234 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: run this play and he ran and so either one 235 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: we'll see him again. You know this week. But you 236 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: either see him and you're like, okay, did you run 237 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:44,839 Speaker 1: this on accident? But there's a way to run the 238 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: stretch where there comes a point where you either plant 239 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 1: your foot and he goes straight down the hill or 240 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: you kind of angling just enough to get around that 241 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: that blocker and he ain't really blocked, but you can 242 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 1: make him feel like he's going to guess wrong. And 243 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: he got in and I said, oh that it turned 244 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: to like an eight or twelve yard run one, So 245 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: like I know because I'm close to like the Emmett 246 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: and Marcus Island and and buried and we'll talk about 247 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: those kind of runs that when everybody would see all 248 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: he turned up in the whole game. Two yards. It's 249 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: a good run, and he just held it just a 250 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 1: little bit longer than it turns into an eight to 251 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: twelve yard run. Well, now next time you beat the 252 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: safety with that, Now we got something. So like he's 253 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: got the guy. He's the guy that actually makes the 254 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: Bengals to me even a little bit better than what 255 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 1: they understand is because he can take a two yard 256 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: run and tell him to a twelve year and run. 257 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: But when you got quarterback and receivers and you're ignoring 258 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,839 Speaker 1: the running back like that light box. Yeah at the 259 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: seven in the box or whatever, because you gotta worry 260 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: about Jamaar Chase. That's right. You gotta worry about Higgins 261 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: and Boyd and then you gotta light box and you 262 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: you know what my favorite games was the Pro Bowls. 263 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. They're not no more so. Yeah, 264 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: they do nothing, but you know, at least back and 265 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,439 Speaker 1: I've been looking around like, wait a minute, somebody's missing. 266 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, are your sure yarding this right? You know? 267 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 1: I my first Prooll scored three touchdowns and I was like, 268 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: I was like, well, they was like why why did 269 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: I was like, well, they didn't have nobody in the Yeah, 270 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: but you had to guard Randy Mosson. And I'm like, 271 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: oh okay, yeah, but I'm not guy in the box 272 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: on the Pro Bowl. Yeah. The speed on the field, 273 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to get these shoulders back. Oh yeah. 274 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: So yeah. So but but when you when you when 275 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: you have receivers like that, you know, like Joe has, 276 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: I'm just like, okay, you know, I mean, so we 277 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 1: bought up Derek a couple of times. I was his 278 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: teammate for three years. He's one of my favorite human 279 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: beings on Such a nice guy, a quiet, shy individuals that, yeah, 280 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: you think he's this big, menacing monster. Honestly got the 281 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: sweetest heart. But Mike Rabel did a did a study 282 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: or came to Derek and said in our old line 283 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 1: and said, when Derek gets to his fourth step, because 284 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:44,839 Speaker 1: Derek is a great off tackle runner, we know he 285 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,599 Speaker 1: can bounce it, punish dbs with a step farm and 286 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: then at two pounds, he's fast enough to run twenty 287 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: two miles per hour and out run fastest dudes on 288 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: the field. So that's the freakish thing about him is 289 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: how he can get on the perimeter and such a 290 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: big guy. But when Derek it's to his fourth step, 291 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: he averages nine or ten yards of carry. Before his 292 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: fourth step he averages like two. Wow. So the biggest 293 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: thing about Derek and the line was if we get 294 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: him going, it is literally going to be ten yards 295 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: to carry. And then I think he realized eventually how 296 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: to when it wasn't the play wasn't clean or wasn't 297 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: going right, how to fall forward? And he's six ft four, 298 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: so you fall forward? I mean that's two and a 299 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: half yards just off of the height alone. So I 300 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:28,559 Speaker 1: think he got more efficient at that. But did you 301 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: feel like, is that is that unique to Derek where 302 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,079 Speaker 1: if he gets to have fourth step. I know the 303 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 1: steps matter for you guys, So tell me how that 304 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: it does. You know. It's it's funny, you know, because 305 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: that's a detail that most people don't pay attention to. 306 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: So if we first talked about falling forward, that's what 307 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: Stump Mitchell had to fix in my game, you know 308 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: what I mean. And it's because you see Barry Sanders, 309 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: you know, and you see him dunking band. He always 310 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: lost yards, you know me, but he would make it, 311 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: you know, really very He was notorious for lout having 312 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,599 Speaker 1: yards lost, you know what I mean. But when you 313 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:56,959 Speaker 1: learn how to fall forward, you know, I had some 314 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: of the I would say some of the most crazy. 315 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: It's like one yard runs and it's because I spun twist. 316 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: But uh, you know, I mean we just back to 317 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. But you lose one or two here, 318 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: lose three and next thing, you know, your hunter yard 319 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: game is really only like an eighty nine yard game, 320 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: and that that that takes off time that takes off, 321 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, that's just another first down 322 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: you're missing um. And so you have to just learn 323 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: that because in the NFL there's some dudes that can play. 324 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: You know what I mean That it's the greatest athletes 325 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: coming at you with bad intentions, you know what I mean. 326 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: So you have to learn how to get to the 327 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage or get that one yard at times, 328 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: and then you mix that with Okay, now I'm on 329 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: the second level or I've got a linebacker that that 330 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: don't have a clean shot at me. So now that 331 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: becomes a four or five yard running. So when you 332 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: when you learn how to master that, now you're picking 333 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: up the pennies, you know what I mean. And if 334 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: we just talk your finances, you say, it's all in 335 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: the pennies, right like, you know, that's how you do it. 336 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: You win all the penny games. Well, the same thing 337 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: is with with running the ball well, and I think 338 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: the greatest runners that I played with don't take hard hits. 339 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: I mean sometimes they do, but most of the time 340 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: you don't see him getting hit. You don't see Alvin 341 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: Kamara getting hit hard all the time. You don't see 342 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: some of these guys taking these flush on hits. They 343 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: always know how to fall forward or shift or angle 344 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: enough just to keep going. Josh Jacobs is very, very good. 345 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: He's elite running back in my opinion, run the ball, hard, 346 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: punishing defenders when he runs. He was a really good test. 347 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: We had a good, good battle with him and Josh Jacobs, 348 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: Derrick Kennedy, Alvan Kamara. That defensive goal. That whole game 349 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: is circled. We're not gonna let him get a hunter. 350 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: We're not gonna let him get stopped the run. Every 351 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: defensive meeting I've been in, from Bill Belichick to Pat 352 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: Graham has been okay, number one, stopped the run. What's 353 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: offensive goal? Run the ball? And that's always the biggest fight. 354 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: Obviously we know it's more of a passing league and 355 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: all this stuff, but it always starts with the line 356 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: of screamers and stopping the run. Yeah, no doubt. You know, 357 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: you know, uh, Josh is Uh. He's another dude that 358 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: I just think like super talented. He's just at the 359 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: inning of what he can do. It's kind of weird 360 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: with even like the rotation of all of the running 361 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: backs that they do. Now you know, I'm like oh 362 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: man like, uh, I like to get things going and 363 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: controlling the controlling the pace. Um but uh, but Josh 364 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: does that well. And you're right about Derrick Henry, you 365 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: know what I mean. If he's if he gets downhill, 366 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: if he gets to move and it's it's it's gonna 367 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: be gonna be good. You know. We were talking about 368 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: for me when if I was playing this year, when 369 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: I first started off with Seattle, that was what Mike 370 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: Homer's plan was. He you know, he had he had 371 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: Joe Montana, he had Steve Young when he was at 372 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: the Nights when the o C he goes to Green 373 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: Bag it's has gott name bright far if you don't mean. 374 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: And then then he comes to Seattle and he tweaks 375 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: our offense and off he says, hey, Sean, I would 376 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: like to maybe run you the boat it carries against 377 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: We said to me eight to ten times a game, 378 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: and then we'll throw it to you by eight times. 379 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: And uh. And so he obviously he decided to change 380 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: that up, you know what I mean. So thanks for that, 381 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: good move, coach. Right. But but my first two to 382 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: three years, um, I had like fifty sixty catches, you know, 383 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 1: we to know would know that, but then we ran 384 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 1: about so much we slowly start taking me out of 385 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: the passing game and out of third downs. But but 386 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: it's it's a different game. And like you feel like 387 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: if you got the quarterback to do it, you know, 388 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: Pastrick my homes, you know, it kind of makes sense 389 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: just playing off numbers to keep everybody fresh, you know 390 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: what I mean, Like it's much easier to have a 391 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 1: get an arm ice up and then get a whole 392 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: running back, you know, hell back so um. But but 393 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: I would prefer it still to be like the old 394 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: school way, you know, I mean you run the ball 395 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: down back coming off the fields, that break your rhythm 396 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: or does that keep you fresh? I didn't like coming 397 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 1: off the field period, but sometimes you know, we would 398 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: take me out if it was like third and plus ten, 399 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 1: let's go around draw, you know what I mean. And 400 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 1: they put our fullback in there because he was going 401 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: to sit in there a block. And so for for 402 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: there was a good, good couple of years where they 403 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 1: was like, hey, when they're running running third down past places, 404 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: linebacker wouldn't even trying to get to the quarterback. They 405 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: were trying to take their shots to be you know 406 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: what I mean. It's that's coaching. You know. You're like, hey, 407 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: Shan doesn't take a lot of hits, you know what 408 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: I mean. He knows that get a funder of them 409 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: slightly miss. So you got your chance to get a 410 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 1: shot at. And sometimes you don't even wear about the 411 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: quarterback trying to go blow him up, you know what 412 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 1: I mean. And so I I thought that was wise. 413 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: That's good coaching, you know I mean, so you just 414 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: get more shots at the guy. That's the office going on. 415 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 1: So I've got to sit down with a lot of 416 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: defensive backs, famous defensive backs, legends because I'm a defensive 417 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: back and get my guys some spotlight and talk about 418 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: chopping up with them. And they all tell me the 419 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: key to long jets. You gotta run from Rende Barbara 420 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 1: rod Woodson, Mel Blunt, you gotta run. You gotta run 421 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: because of dB. We don't come off the field right. 422 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 1: We gotta play every snap and run with the fastest 423 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: and tackle the biggest guy. And you know I'm going on, 424 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 1: uh going on my tenth season. Eight out of nine seasons, 425 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: I played over a thousand snaps, and I don't think 426 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: what people understand is these receivers don't play every snap, 427 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 1: and they have a rotation. These running backs have two 428 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: or three of them the stable keep them fresh, you 429 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: said the coach. When you have ten carries, Yeah, I'm 430 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: playing seventy snaps, getting eight tackles. The game almost guaranteed. 431 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: So you know, I'm going into my tennesse season. You 432 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: played nine years, So how do you feel at you know, 433 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: at retiring at nine? Why why was that the decision? 434 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 1: Or how'd your body feel? You know? My first year 435 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:27,959 Speaker 1: I had Ricky Waters, the legend, you know, I mean 436 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: like he was a sitting there. So he taught me 437 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. So I didn't really play that much. Uh, 438 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 1: and then my last year was with the Redskins. I 439 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: was basically giving the keys and showing Clinton Porters how 440 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: to how to go do it, you know what I mean. 441 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: And and so he was already great, so it was 442 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: really fun. So I really played about those those seven 443 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,640 Speaker 1: years in between that, and so that second three year 444 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: six you know what was amazing, you know what I 445 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: mean that those are those are the five great years. 446 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 1: And then I broke my foot the first game of 447 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 1: that that next year, so I really missed about two 448 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: months of that year, and then and and played that 449 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: next year and broke my wrists, um the first the 450 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: first game of that year, you know what I mean. 451 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 1: And so so there's something that, um, the body feels 452 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 1: good overall, but you know, you can start feeling like, okay, 453 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: I'm I'm falling like I've always fallen. But like now 454 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: when I land, I break the risk, you know, I mean, 455 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: you know, the guy falls on me and the foot breaks, 456 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 1: and so now you're just like, all right, um, how 457 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: are we gonna do this? So even when I was 458 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: at the Red Skins, it was still training and getting ready, 459 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 1: but the fire to say, hey can I dominate this game? 460 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 1: And so everybody's a little bit different, Like you know, 461 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: you know, I go all back to high school. If 462 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: I'm not scoring a touchdown in the game, then everybody's like, 463 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 1: are you sick? You know? You know. And so so 464 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: if I'm not, if I'm not able to go get 465 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 1: up the hundred hundred fifty one to three touchdowns, then 466 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, well what do I need to do 467 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: to get myself there? And do I have an inside 468 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: me to go get it? You know what I mean? 469 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 1: And so I started realizing all right, yeah, I don't 470 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: know if I want to get my body there. I 471 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: don't know if mentally I want to go there. So 472 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: now I gotta no, I'm non jeopardizing the team because 473 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: when I go out there, like we talked about splitting backs, 474 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: it don't matter when they when they go look at 475 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 1: the books, they gonna be like this, Sean put up 476 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: a hundred two touchdowns, you know what I mean. If 477 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: they didn't, they're going, oh, he ain't even playing hard. 478 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, I only had ten carries in 479 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: that game, you know what I mean? Like you know, 480 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: and so so me knowing that that's not that's not 481 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 1: the view that everybody's gonna have when I'm on the field, 482 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 1: and that's not the view I'm gonna have them for myself. 483 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: I had to take all of that into concept. You know, 484 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: you wanted to be dominant, and that's right, So you're 485 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: not the guy's going to chase the the one year 486 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: deals or try to extend it as long as you can. No, no, no, 487 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 1: even even when I was with the rest, because they 488 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 1: were like, hey, do you want to you want to 489 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: come back? And nah, I can't do that. I can't 490 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: play that. You know, I couldn't play the you know, 491 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 1: we're almost there and let me go get you know, 492 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: because of what I didn't when hundred nine one or two, 493 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: but you know I didn't want to chase those at 494 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: a hundred yards. You know, you got a hundred touchdowns, 495 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: We got a hundred touchdowns and ten ten thousand yards 496 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: like you sure the Hall of Fame. I'm like, you 497 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: know what I can't. I can't play on two teams 498 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:00,479 Speaker 1: and try to get six hundred yard nothing. Now are 499 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 1: you doing that? You know what I mean? The value 500 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 1: wasn't there for you and you're worth no, no, no, 501 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: And I think it's because you're so balanced. And we 502 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: talked a little bit before this about you know, cafe momentum. 503 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: You know what is that about, man, caffeine momentum is 504 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 1: it's been just a joy to be with them in 505 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 1: the last three years. You know. Uh, about four years ago, 506 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: I became an ambassador for a group called Staying Together 507 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: and it's about seven um businessmen, women and philanthropic leaders 508 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 1: that put their money together to go help causes of 509 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: poverty or people affected by poverty. And one of the 510 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: groups they put their money and was was behind what 511 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 1: was cafee Momentum and so Cafinementum was was this restaurant 512 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: ran by Chaed Houser, who's on War winning chef. You 513 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: know you gott tried on biscuits. Uh you know uh 514 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: he Uh he did a cooking class and a juvenile 515 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 1: system in Dallas, and after he got done, he put 516 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 1: them in a contests against the culinary school in Dallas. 517 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: And uh, one of the little kids, Juvie one, and 518 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: he up there like he hugging him. Yeah, like yeah, 519 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: we we did, and we did. He like, I want 520 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: to be a chef to word thing. I should go 521 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: Taco Bell and Wendy's. And Chad was like, oh, man like, 522 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,959 Speaker 1: and he he felt sick with himself. He's like here 523 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 1: he is this family, white dude, you know what I mean. 524 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,360 Speaker 1: He's had the things. He's looking at this little black 525 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 1: kid and he's like, man like, he just needed people 526 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 1: around him. He's got gifts, you know what I mean, 527 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: and then he needs to have some bigger experiences. He's 528 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 1: thinking Wendy's his Taco Bell and so he just you know, overnight, 529 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: flipped his restaurant into a into a year internship for 530 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,959 Speaker 1: kids in the juice system. So if you go through 531 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: that in Dallars, you can either go into juvie or 532 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: you could work for him for a year as an intern. 533 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: And it's paid interns, so to get little money for 534 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: your family. And he put the ecosystem around him. He 535 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: put you know, psychologists, sociologists, um um, after school program people, 536 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: development health. And you're seeing these kids, boys and girls, 537 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: like like, it's just amazing, so recivetism for them. It's 538 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: like most places, like fifty fifty percent of kids are 539 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 1: gonna end up going back to prison in some kind 540 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: of way. The kids that at Kaferminium it's about fifteen 541 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 1: and so that's like the bottom line, Oh, you're not 542 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: going back to jail. Well yeah, but these kids, that's 543 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: the stories of success. They're like they're like college graduates. 544 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: Now it's been six years from now the college. They're 545 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 1: working in hospitals to some of them start their own businesses, 546 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: and you're like, man, And so I saw that and 547 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: I just thought, why don't we put one of these 548 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 1: in every NFL city? And I was like, let's go 549 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: to it. So I started calling up the NFL and 550 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: I was like, hey, look at this, I need Joe's help, 551 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 1: and so I called him a quan. It was like, 552 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: you look, let's put this behind Player Coalition. And then 553 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: I called you know and and everybody a Kuan Bowling. Yeah, 554 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: and Malcolm j because they started Players Coalition and and uh, 555 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: next to you know, like we have got the one 556 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 1: in Dallas. We just broke around for Pittsburgh and Nashville. 557 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 1: We're announcing later on tonight the fourth city, you know 558 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: what I mean. And we've got lines up with Chicago 559 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 1: and Denver, in Atlanta and Miami, and we're just doing it. 560 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,360 Speaker 1: Like because that to me at the end of the day, 561 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: Like what did they do? They just put aunties and 562 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: uncles and cousins around these kids, and they had a 563 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: real family to say, boy, you can do it. Boy, 564 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 1: picked your pants, Hey, you know, show up on time. 565 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 1: You know, it's those little things if you just get 566 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: pushed a little bit, all of sudden, yeah, your real 567 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: potential that starts to show up. And so I couldn't 568 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,719 Speaker 1: help but get behind it and uh and bring everybody 569 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 1: know to come come do it. That's a great that's 570 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: a great cause man to actually believe in the kids 571 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: and give them a second chance and put them in 572 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: that work environment and that opportunity around food and people. 573 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 1: And while I watched the video and I saw like 574 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: kids on them I'm talking about in the kitchen cooking, 575 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 1: and I saw kids in the front, you know, waiting tables. 576 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: They had kids actually waiting tables and seem like they're 577 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: doing a great job. Oh yeah, they are, Like it's 578 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: so the year program comes into four parts, so from 579 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 1: being a soux chef to actually the cook, to to 580 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 1: planning and marketing the strategy for the day, to the 581 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: people out the front, you know, and so you're learning 582 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 1: each one of those as you as you're going through. 583 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: And they learned so many skills. But what happens is 584 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: is they actually learned that they got some value to them. 585 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: Like they can look a person in the eye and say, hey, hey, 586 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: what would you like today? Was have you tried this? 587 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: And the kids are like, man, I was kind of 588 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: you know, as a person talked about I knew what 589 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: they would really want to have more than what they 590 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 1: had what they were thinking then, And you're seeing that. 591 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: And I took one of the kids around me radio 592 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 1: row and uh and he said, hey, Mr Sean, I 593 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 1: think I know, I know I know what I want 594 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: to do when I get older. I was like, oh, 595 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: I really wish the thing. He goes, well, you know, 596 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: you let me get on the stage and I just 597 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,959 Speaker 1: got to talk in and I kind of like asking 598 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 1: people questions and hearing what they're saying, like anything, I 599 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: could do that, And I'm like, you definitely could. And 600 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: I started talking about being on radio and and being 601 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 1: an intern and learning the process, and he just the 602 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: whole time his mind has just been blown, like wait, 603 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 1: like I don't even thought I could do anything outside 604 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 1: my house, outside his house, little own. Yeah, we fly 605 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: the kids out here to l A and just you 606 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So like that's one kid, but 607 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: we got thousands of stories like that now, you know. 608 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: It's it's pretty amazing. It's amazing. That's powerful stuff. I mean, 609 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: just to hear that gives me chills. You're talking about 610 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: going from you know, m v P years and this 611 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 1: is like some work you're doing now that to me 612 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: is is even bigger. Yeah, it is, it is. It's 613 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 1: you know, true legacy goes when even when you're not here, 614 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so like for me, 615 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: I'm always thinking generational, you know what I mean, like, 616 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: so what could I do for Logan that affects his 617 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 1: kids kids, you know, And I've I've always thought like that, 618 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: and so I'm always thinking like, Okay, I need you 619 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: to be a great man, but I need you to 620 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: be an amazing grandfather. You know. If we do that, 621 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: then it's gonna be. You gotta started this and you 622 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: got hit by COVID, right yeah, and you're still breaking ground. 623 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 1: So it's obviously survived. Another restaurant industry has got hit 624 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: hard with COVID and workers and people return to work 625 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: and all that stuff. I'm a huge foody. I love 626 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: to go out and eat. I gotta go to Cafe 627 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 1: Momentum and try it. So how did COVID affect you, guys? 628 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 1: And how are you how are you bouncing back from that? 629 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 1: So remember, like, our our secret sauce is not the food, 630 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: it's the kids. And so if we're running the kids 631 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: through the program and they're learning, you know, everybody comes 632 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,360 Speaker 1: to the restaurant, they're basically making donations to Calfine Momentum. 633 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,360 Speaker 1: And so you come in this five start start restaurant, 634 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: you order the food that you want, and then you're 635 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: coming and saying Okay, Hey, the food value is you know, 636 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: you know, fifty bucks. But okay, we'll make a donation 637 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: for fifty bucks, or you can make a donation for 638 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 1: a hunter Bucks whatever it is. But the food is 639 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: the foods. You're coming there and just have a normal 640 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,719 Speaker 1: restaurant transaction and all that all that money is going 641 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: to go into the life for these kids. Or you 642 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: can put a bigger donation on and we so all 643 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: the money from the food is going to Calfine Momentum 644 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: helping these kids. That's right, that's crazy. We don't want 645 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: in every city. Man, I'm out here, I'm out here 646 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 1: hyping it up. I gotta get involved. I gotta push 647 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: this because it's it's just it seems. Yeah, it's a 648 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: win win. Sean Alexander's behind it. And that chef what 649 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 1: was his name again? Shout out to chat Man. Yeah 650 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: that's really cool. That's really making a difference. So me 651 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: and you were talking before, um about what you're doing 652 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: for guys like logan around. I'm a huge philanthropist. I 653 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: have an animal rescue foundation, I do at work police 654 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: sensitivity training with my father was a police officer. Um, 655 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm big in my community. Man, I'm huge. 656 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: I believe I'm humanitarian, and like you, I believe football 657 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: was a skill set that I have. But the platform 658 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: I have in my work is is God's work, and 659 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: philanthropy will do a lot longer than football, a lot longer. 660 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: But you're you told me, you know when I started 661 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: my foundation, I told you it was I didn't know 662 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: where to go. You know. I called some attorneys and 663 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: I got to go in and it's been hard the 664 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,479 Speaker 1: legal side of things, a nonprofit running one, functioning one. 665 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 1: There's a lot of players that I think should have 666 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: There should be more players to do it. There's a 667 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: lot of players that do do it. And you said 668 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: that there's a way that you can help and get 669 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: that information to guys are trying to make a difference 670 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: in our communities. Yeah, I am. I'm getting ready to 671 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: set up a couple of different programs. Um. One of 672 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 1: them is to help people learn how to kind of 673 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: learn their why, which is walking them through uh, you know, 674 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,959 Speaker 1: how to do a foundation, how to even if it's 675 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: not there's how to connect with the right people to 676 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: be the face of a of an organization and brand. 677 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: And then the other one I'm calling the PLP, which 678 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: is the Professional Leadership Program. It's not ready to go yet, 679 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: but it's helping people handle the five US, how to 680 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: handle fame, family, friendships, finances in their future, which is 681 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: really learning their why. That's the legacy part. So we've 682 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: been talking a little bit about that. So you're off 683 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: the field, what's going to be for generations? And uh, 684 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: I'm excited about both of them, you know what I mean, 685 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: Like helping guys figure out there why because you know 686 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: most of us find the same shoes, you know what 687 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: I mean? From eight years old, we're talking like, you 688 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: live your life, you go play football, and then you 689 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: turn thirty two and you're like, what am I doing 690 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: with the rest of my life? You got a lot 691 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: to live, you know what I mean, Like, and it's 692 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: it's gonna be awesome. So how can we put you 693 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: in position to get your why going now so that 694 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 1: when you're done playing now you get to really explode 695 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: it and what are the partnerships and relationships you need 696 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: to have while you play that they do. And I 697 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: was telling this to some of the young Seahawks just earlier. 698 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: I said, you know, I had some great mentors around 699 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: me and They're like, shine, we know that you're the 700 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: best running back and see allch history and it's great, 701 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: but there will be a time where someone would do 702 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: something amazing and they'll forget, you know what I mean. 703 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: And so so get all the relationships now, start building 704 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: the wine now. And so I'm like, what do you mean, 705 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: you know who's scored five touchdowns and a half only 706 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: maybe you know me? Like you know that, yeah, you 707 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: know that that thing that you that you want to 708 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: you know, you know how to touchdowns in five years? 709 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: Like you know, you know, hey, i'n't forget that. And 710 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: then you know, and then your their little brother Marshawn 711 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: shows up. He does the Beast quake and everyone's like, 712 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: oh man, it's the greatest ever. And I'm like, wait, 713 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: that's only in touch now, you know what I mean. 714 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: But then you realize all that's what they were talking about. 715 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: Like it's always like who's the start now? You know 716 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: what I mean, who's the start now? And we got 717 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: a really good run back and stale now ra Shard Penny. 718 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: You know, he's the secret second guy to have a 719 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: hundred fifty yards three games in a row, you know 720 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: what I mean? And so so I'm like, wow, So 721 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: there goes Marshwan Marshawn Leeds here comes with shot, you 722 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: know what I mean. And so, but I've listened to 723 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: my mentors. I was like, okay, let me go get 724 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: the team around me so I can be able to 725 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 1: always push my why. And so now right now I 726 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: get to go help Marshawn be awesome. And We've had 727 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: some great conversations. So I'm so proud of where he is. 728 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,479 Speaker 1: He gets to push us why, you know what I mean. 729 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: He's telling everybody, hey, no, no, no, this is how 730 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: you do it, you know what I mean? And his 731 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: style could be different than person over here style, and 732 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: it's okay, he's being him, but he's pushing his why, 733 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And then we'll do the 734 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: same thing when a shot. But we gotta do it 735 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 1: with everybody across the league so that everybody can can 736 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: have a generational effect. So where is the m v 737 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 1: P season? Where's that stack up in your life? If 738 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 1: when you look at what you've done, if you have 739 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: to reflect with your twelve kids, your wife, your cafe momentum, 740 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: all the stuff you're doing and want to change, where 741 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: does the where does the football stack up for you 742 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: looking back at it all, um, men have the great 743 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: ability to put things in boxes, you know what I mean. 744 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: Put this over here there's the football stuff. Or here 745 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: that's the family stuff, here's the you know. And there 746 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: were some some things that we closed boxes. We don't 747 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: never open this box up again, right, you know? You know? 748 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: Oh you know? Um so the football the MVP season, man, 749 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: it was, it was. It's a great season. Sometimes if 750 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: I'm feeling a little I'll be like, okay, look you know, 751 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: oh that box up. You know. I I think it 752 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: was probably the best running running season ever, you know 753 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: what I mean because eighty eight touchdowns and I sat 754 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,959 Speaker 1: out of nine quarters. You know, I came out two 755 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: games a halftime and seven more games. Uh, five more games? 756 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 1: Uh you have five more games? And I came out 757 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: in the third you know when the touchdowns, Yeah, touchdowns 758 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: and basically sat out two games. You know, I told 759 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: you I was in a zow man. I was right. 760 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,320 Speaker 1: It was crazy, and so so that year is always special. 761 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 1: And then you know, I remember going to Seattle in 762 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,320 Speaker 1: our rookie year, being six and ten and knowing that 763 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 1: the franchise had had three three winning season three playoff seasons, 764 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,839 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and then knowing like, oh damn, 765 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: we wanted division four years in a row with the 766 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 1: playoffs five years in a row, you know, went to 767 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,240 Speaker 1: the Super I remember like being like, wow, we've changed. 768 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: We've changed the idea of Seahawk football, you know what 769 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 1: I mean. And so so that that that m VP 770 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,239 Speaker 1: year was great because I got to see all of 771 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,280 Speaker 1: these dreams and I had when it came to football 772 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:46,280 Speaker 1: come to be. You know, yeah, I mean you're well balanced, 773 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,319 Speaker 1: but that is a that is a heck of a year, man. 774 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I knew you want the m v P. 775 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 1: I didn't know about twenty eight touchdowns. That's actually sick 776 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,720 Speaker 1: to even think about. You know. So, man, you've been awesome. 777 00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: I think you know, we've sat down with some great 778 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 1: us and I think you're up there. The humility that 779 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,839 Speaker 1: you bring, um, and it seems like you're still doing 780 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 1: great work. So I'm honored to be in this seat, um, 781 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: to be able to talk to guys like you and 782 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,239 Speaker 1: get to learn your story, you get to tell some 783 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 1: stories people might have never heard of. I'm in a 784 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: cool position, man, I'm really honored, and it's just a 785 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 1: lot of fun, you know. Yeah, you know, if if 786 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: we could wrap it up, I'd always want to encourage 787 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 1: you and challenge you to lettle people know there why 788 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: but then also never judged the book by the cover, 789 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like like people just don't know. 790 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 1: Like I laughed and they're be like, oh man, you 791 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 1: know they get around me, and I'm hearing your family 792 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: like damn, you're a good family. Like I like how 793 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 1: they build you. My dad had nine kids from for 794 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,320 Speaker 1: different women, you know what you mean. So I'm like, 795 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like one of the knuckle heads running. 796 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: I'm the baby boy, you know. And they're like, oh 797 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: really that's where you came from, Like yeah, like hot mess, 798 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: you know, and here I are married, faithful, twelve kids, 799 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 1: same woman, you know, all after marriage, you know what 800 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: I mean. Like like just as you would just be like, man, like, 801 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: let me hear your story and then then you can 802 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 1: share the world that that no one it's written off. 803 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 1: We can believe in anybody. That's awesome. That's what the 804 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: NFL teaches you do. You guys. You play with guys 805 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: all over the country. Gods are different upbringings, and you 806 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: just want to say one, how do you treat me 807 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,319 Speaker 1: as a teammate? How do you make me feel into? 808 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 1: Can you play? Ye? Can? It's really simple from the Midwest, 809 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 1: I don't care. From Cali, Alabama, Jersey, were on from Canada? 810 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: Can you ball? And all you a good teammate? And 811 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 1: that's what we learned and it is a it is 812 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 1: a good lesson because we are put up in groups 813 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,880 Speaker 1: we have to communicate with at things that are important, 814 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,239 Speaker 1: and we have to push ourselves every year to prove 815 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 1: it on the field. And then we kind of have 816 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,479 Speaker 1: cameras in our life off the field. Now, Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, 817 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 1: so we're so I'm so old, dude, I still laugh 818 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: thinking gosh, Like I remember in college a girl walked 819 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 1: up to and say can I take a picture with you? 820 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,919 Speaker 1: And I was thinking, you're talking about you know, I said, 821 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 1: I don't have a camera. It just kind of looked 822 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 1: there like what we was talking about? You know what? 823 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 1: Oh my phone does and walked off. I was like, 824 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: what what just happened? The first that the first self 825 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 1: is what just happened right here? You know? You know, 826 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 1: you know, it's like whoa what years that that the 827 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:19,399 Speaker 1: first elpisode had the first self. We gotta google that. Yeah, dude, 828 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,880 Speaker 1: it was just crazy. You know. I think now, like 829 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 1: you guys like you know d ms and you know 830 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,839 Speaker 1: TikTok's and even Instagram, I'm just like, what, Like, that's crazy. 831 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,400 Speaker 1: People can know your whole story of video. Yeah, they 832 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 1: know it. And it's a it's a it could be 833 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 1: a blessing or a curse what you're using for. So 834 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 1: you get to own your own content, though, you do 835 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,880 Speaker 1: if you want, right. I get to have this platform 836 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 1: and and there was no script today. We got to 837 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 1: talk what we wanted to talk about. And I think 838 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 1: that's the beauty of it is we can own our 839 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,320 Speaker 1: story now and tell it and rewrite history with guys 840 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 1: like you and the stuff you accomplished, but the human 841 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 1: being you are too. It's wonderful. Man, Rip it up, man, 842 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 1: love it, Appreciate you man, no doubt. Yep yep, yep m. 843 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us on the NFL Players Podcast. 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