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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four seventh home of the Black and Gold

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Speaker 1: SNR Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back. I am Dale Lolly,

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Speaker 1: he is Matt Williamson, and this is the Drive on

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Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio. And Matt, as you mentioned, Matt Miller,

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Speaker 1: who does draft analysis for ESPN, has come out with

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Speaker 1: his three hundred and sixty eight prospects, the top three

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Speaker 1: hundred and sixty eight guys in this year's draft. And

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Speaker 1: that number is interesting because well, there are only two

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty nine picks. As wondering why he came

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Speaker 1: up with that number number three ask on, Well, I

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Speaker 1: think that goes for his grading system. So he ranks

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Speaker 1: these guys, they get a number grade and he goes

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Speaker 1: down to let's see here if that is so, he

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Speaker 1: goes down to guys who have at least a grade

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Speaker 1: of fifty, at least a grade of fifty. So he

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Speaker 1: came up with three hundred and sixty eight guys that

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Speaker 1: he would have at least a grade of fifty on.

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Speaker 1: And so he hasn't broken up into tiers here and

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Speaker 1: of prospects that he has a ninety plus grade on.

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Speaker 1: He has thirty four of those in this year's draft. Okay,

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Speaker 1: fair enough, he has. He's also the one that's done

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Speaker 1: you know, X amount of sure five first rounders and

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Speaker 1: stuff I think over the years. Yeah, the process. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: So he has seventeen guys with at least a grade

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Speaker 1: of ninety two are better seventeen being interesting because well

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Speaker 1: it's burst Steelers draft at seventeen. So looking at that list,

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Speaker 1: he's got three guys with grades of ninety six, Will Anderson,

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Speaker 1: Bryce Young, Bijon Robinson. Okay, I don't know how you

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Speaker 1: put Will Anderson over Jalen Carter. Well, I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: splitting hairs. But because he's got four guys with grades

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Speaker 1: of ninety five and that is c. J. Straud, Jackson

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Speaker 1: Smith and Jake Bud, Jalen Carter, and Devin Witherspoon. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with any of those. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure to have Witherspoon with that crew, but I

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Speaker 1: understand it. One guy with a grade of ninety four,

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Speaker 1: that is Tyree Wilson. I have some doubts about him.

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Speaker 1: That man. I know there's tons of traits and intriguing stuff,

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Speaker 1: but he doesn't impact the game as much as people think.

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Speaker 1: Grades of ninety three are Scronski, Kristin Gonzalez understandable, Lucas

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Speaker 1: van Ness, Broderick Jones, Paris Johnson, Nolan Smith, and Joey Porter.

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Speaker 1: That gets you to fifteen players. I like all those names,

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Speaker 1: and I would not exclude any of them. I think

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Speaker 1: you're with me. I don't want to speak for you,

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Speaker 1: but I think we both have Gonzalez over Witherspoon though. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I think his size is kind of separates

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Speaker 1: about it's twenty pounds different, right, Yeah, it's grades of

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Speaker 1: ninety two. There are two players, Anthony Richardson and Miles Murphy.

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Speaker 1: Both are slight enigmas, wouldn't be easy to rank, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I like both. I'm fond of Richardson. Players with

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Speaker 1: a grade of ninety one are better Michael Mayer, Dalton Kincaide,

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Speaker 1: Darnell Right, Elijah Cancy, Deontay Banks. I have no qualms

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Speaker 1: with any of them. But you would think the Steelers

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Speaker 1: get somebody from the list previous to that. Yeah, well

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Speaker 1: there's seventeen names on there, and yeah, yeah, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: always go that way, and we haven't mentioned one of

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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks yet, So there you go. True grades of

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Speaker 1: ninety are better Zay Flowers, Jordan Addison, Will Levis. There's

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Speaker 1: the fourth quarterback, Jalen Hyatt, Hendon Hooker Wright Receivers. That's

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Speaker 1: five quarterbacks, Brian Branch, Will McDonald, Darnell Washington, Quintin Johnston

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Speaker 1: Felix and duque Isoma, Emmanuel Forbes, and Keyon White. Okay, um,

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Speaker 1: I would have Branch and Flowers well above the rest

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Speaker 1: of that group, or at least a tier above them. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but again you're you're were splitting hairs here when you're

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Speaker 1: talking about his overall grades, the difference between the ninety

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Speaker 1: are his thirty four players who he has graded ninety

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Speaker 1: or better. So Steelers have a shot at two of those, Yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: all right, prospects in which he has graded eighty to

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Speaker 1: and Simpson, John Michael Schmidts, Drew Sanders, DJ Turner, Cedric Tillman,

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Speaker 1: Mazie Smith, and Joe Tipman. So with how the Steelers

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Speaker 1: pick with that second second round pick. I'm hoping for

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Speaker 1: their sake that well, first off, i feel like one

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Speaker 1: I mean, like they can pounce on it. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: Matt Yeah. Torrance. To me, the more I listened to

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Speaker 1: to Washington at sixteen. I think he's about as safe

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize how much they're raving about his football

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Speaker 1: intelligence and all that kind of stuff too, Like the

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Speaker 1: old line folks adore this guy. Yeah, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: hope he's gone boss pick at seventeen I can't imagine

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Speaker 1: I'm going with another guard, but they did bring him in.

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Speaker 1: There was one player with a grade of eighty seven.

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Speaker 1: That would be Jack Campbell. I don't know how you

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's kind of weird to me that you graded

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Speaker 1: but Jack Campbell, and Jack Campbell is the forty ninth

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Speaker 1: Campbell right now? Yeah? I think so. I mean you

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Speaker 1: a Polo two at fifty four. All those guys have

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Speaker 1: grades of eighty six. Those are all good football players,

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Speaker 1: but are all really good football players? I mean, I

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Speaker 1: understand and I disagree with why so many people are

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Speaker 1: split on Bersee, But I don't lump him with any

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Speaker 1: and he didn't play football again, right, right, right, He

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Speaker 1: that on the surface shows great mental toughness. UM. Players

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Speaker 1: a grade of eighty three, Okay, at eighty two, there's

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Speaker 1: Anton Harrison and camp Smith. Neither one of them are

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Speaker 1: my favorites. And then a bunch of guys at eighty

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Mingo, as we said, he's not lasting until pick eighty,

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Speaker 1: Sydney Brown again, yeah, I'm not lasting that far, Dwan

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Speaker 1: Jones's way, Johnson's usage, john But yeah, there are pretty

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Speaker 1: Luke Schoonmaker. Then you have Eca at seventy nine, Luke

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Speaker 1: player jayar Brown. Okay, you're running back? Oh no, no, though,

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Speaker 1: Penn stay safety. Actually did you see he ran four

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Speaker 1: or five eight at Penn stays pro day. Yeah, which

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Speaker 1: was good for him, I mean better. Yeah, four sixty

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Speaker 1: Marvin Mims, Darius Rush, and Corey Trice. So a lot

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Speaker 1: of starter types. Yeah. The Steelers have that pick at eighty. Um,

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Speaker 1: no doubt at seventy five, Tyler Steen, the offensive lineman

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Speaker 1: would it for sure. Just just a bevy of players

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Speaker 1: Michael Wilson Israel Abacanda, But I'm a lot of buzz

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Speaker 1: about him. I think he might go higher than people think.

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Speaker 1: Andre Carter, Yeah, Nathaniel Dell, that's number one oh five,

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Speaker 1: Zach Pickens one oh six, isaamh Acquire McGuire the defensive end,

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Speaker 1: Adam Missouri Iija Spears at one oh eight, but a

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Speaker 1: Tank Bigsby at one ten, Jl Skinner at one oven. Again,

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Speaker 1: and well, yeah, as of tomorrow, we're two weeks out

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Speaker 1: can't wait. It's like Christmas. So we will will continue

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty three draft. But for my partner Matt Williamson,

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