1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:10,960 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm tra c e 4 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 2: V Wilson, and I'm Holly Frye. I talked in a 5 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 2: recent behind the scenes edition of the show that I 6 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 2: had started playing Assassin's Creed Mirage at this point. I 7 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 2: have finished playing Assassin's Creed Mirage because it's not that 8 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 2: long of a game, and it also did not take 9 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 2: long at all playing that game for me to encounter 10 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 2: something that I wanted to talk about on the podcast. 11 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 2: That was the Badu Musa. These were brothers who lived 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 2: in Baghdad during the Islamic Golden Age, and that's the 13 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 2: setting for Assassin's Creed Mirage. I also kept triple and 14 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 2: quadruple checking whether these guys had come up on the 15 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 2: show before, because we've done some previous episodes on figures 16 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 2: from the Islamic Golden Age. The Banu Musa also created 17 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 2: a number of automata, and we've talked about automata in 18 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 2: some other episodes. All my digging through old notes though, 19 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 2: suggest that no, apparently we never have. And also, just 20 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 2: to be super clear, this is not a sponsored episode. 21 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 2: I just got inspired by a video game. So the 22 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: Islamic Golden Age is a term that was coined in 23 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 2: the nineteenth century to describe a period of artistic and 24 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:30,639 Speaker 2: intellectual flourishing in the Muslim world. So as with terms 25 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 2: like the Middle Ages and the Renaissance, this is a 26 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,479 Speaker 2: construct that's just meant to help us conceptualize the past. 27 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 2: The Islamic Golden Age is usually described as starting with 28 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 2: the founding of the House of Wisdom in the eighth 29 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 2: century and ending with the siege of Baghdad by Mongol 30 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 2: forces in twelve fifty eight. This was a period of invention, creativity, 31 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 2: and discovery, as well as of preserving the knowledge of 32 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 2: earlier eras. This does not, to be clear, mean that 33 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 2: it was always peaceful or stable, and we'll get into 34 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 2: some of that later. So this period began not long 35 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 2: after the Abbasid Kaliphate took control from the Umayad Caliphate 36 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 2: in the year seven fifty. I feel like we have 37 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 2: always said this either as caliphate, caliphate or kaliphate on 38 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 2: the show. They take a more Arabic pronunciation in this 39 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 2: video game, and so it's always like Halif. The halifit 40 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 2: the second Abbasid Caliph al Mansour moved the capital from 41 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 2: Damascus to Baghdad. Then the fifth Abbasid caliph Harun al Rashid, 42 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 2: established the Bite al Hikma, or the House of Wisdom there. Initially, 43 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 2: the House of Wisdom, which is also sometimes called the 44 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 2: Academy of Science, mainly functioned as a library and a 45 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 2: translation center. 46 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: Initially, most of the translation work done at the House 47 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: of Wisdom was from Persian into Arabic because the Abbassied 48 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: court drew a lot of influence from Persia. But the 49 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: seventh Abbasid caliph, known as alma Mun the scope and 50 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 1: roll of the House of Wisdom. It became an academy 51 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: and intellectual center, and much of the translation work shifted 52 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: to texts in Greek philosophy and mathematics, as well as 53 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: works in other languages. While this was a Muslim dynasty, 54 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: scholars of a range of faiths worked at the House 55 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: of Wisdom, including Islam, Judaism, Christianity, Zoroastrianism, and Hinduism. A 56 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: lot of ancient works that we still have today exist 57 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: only because they were preserved and translated in the House 58 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: of Wisdom, and this focus on translation was part of 59 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: a whole movement one that collected and translated works from 60 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: all across the known world into Arabic. This work happened 61 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: not just at the House of Wisdom, but also in 62 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: other cities in the Kliphate. The Banu Musa lived in 63 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: the ninth century, and we don't know much about the 64 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: details of their personal lives. Their father was Musa ibn Shakir, 65 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: who was probably Persian. In air naming, Ibn means son 66 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: of So. Musa was the son of Shakir, and Banu 67 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: means sons of So. The Banu Musa were the sons 68 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: of Musa, and when described as individuals, their names would 69 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: end in ibn Musa or ibn Musa ibn Shakir. This 70 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: makes Banu Musa Brothers, which shows up in articles from 71 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: time to time, a little bit wonky. It's not exactly wrong, 72 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: but it's kind of redundant. You're basically tacking English words 73 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 1: onto words that already say the same thing in another language. 74 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: It's like calling them the sons of Musa brothers. Sources 75 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,799 Speaker 1: describe Musa ibn Shakir as a bandit or a highwayman 76 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: when he was a young man, but later he turned 77 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: away from that life to become an astronomer and astrologer. 78 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: He became friends. 79 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 2: With Abu Alabas Abdallah alma Ibn al Rashid. This was 80 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,119 Speaker 2: the son of Kleaf Harun al Rashid and half brother 81 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 2: of Mohammad al Amin. Although al Mamun was older than Alamin, 82 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 2: al ma Mun's mother was an enslaved concubine and Alamin's 83 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 2: mother was one of al Rashid's legitimate wives who was 84 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 2: descended from another caliph, so al Mamin descended from caliph's 85 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 2: on both sides and born from a marriage, was chosen 86 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 2: to be his father's successor as caliph, while al Mamun 87 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 2: was given sovereignty over the Kaliphate's eastern provinces in Khorasan. 88 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 2: Harun al Rashid informed his sons of these arrangements in 89 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 2: Ato two while they were performing the Haj to Mecca. 90 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 2: The timeline is a little bit fuzzy here, but it 91 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 2: seems like Musa ibn Shakir became part of al ma 92 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 2: Mun's court while he was governing Khorasan, and he was 93 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 2: still in that role when Musa died. That left Musa 94 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 2: Ibn Shakir's three sons, Muhammad, Ahmad and Ala San in 95 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 2: alma Mun's care, they were sent to the House of 96 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 2: Wisdom in Baghdad, where they were tutored by an astronomer 97 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 2: and astrologer named Yayabin Abif Mansur. Caliph Harun al Rashid 98 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 2: died in Ado nine and soon the relationship between Alamin 99 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 2: and al Mamun started to deteriorate. These brothers had signed 100 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 2: formal agreements during their pilgrimage to Mecca, and among other things, 101 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,919 Speaker 2: al Mamun had agreed not to rebel against his brother, 102 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 2: and Alamine had agreed never to invade alma Mun's territory 103 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 2: or aid rebels in rising up against him. There's also 104 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 2: a third half brother who was involved in all of this, 105 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 2: but was not a major part of it. There was 106 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 2: other instability going on at the same time as all this, 107 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 2: but basically, in spite of their earlier agreements, the two 108 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 2: half brothers started trying to undermine one another and this 109 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 2: escalated into war. This is known as the Abassid Civil War, 110 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 2: also called the Fourth Civil War or Fourth FeTNA. Alamine 111 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 2: and alma Mun were at war with each other from 112 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 2: eight eleven to eight thirteen, with alma Mun ultimately besieging 113 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 2: Baghdad and taking control as Caliph. Ala Mun was killed, 114 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 2: although his brother had apparently wanted him captured. The war 115 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 2: continued after this among multiple factions, but to return to 116 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 2: the Baanu Musa. After Almamun became caliph, they continued their 117 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 2: work at the House of Wisdom, including carrying out commissions 118 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 2: for him and eventually becoming a major part in the 119 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 2: scholarly work that was done there. We know very little 120 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 2: about the details of the three brothers' lives, and multiple 121 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 2: sources used in this episode describe it as impossible to 122 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 2: write separate biographies of them. One of the running jokes 123 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 2: in Assassin's Creed Mirage is that the main character cannot 124 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 2: tell those three brothers apart. We don't know exact birth 125 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 2: or death dates for any of them, but since Muhammad 126 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 2: is usually listed first, it's assumed that he was the oldest. 127 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 2: He died in eight seventy three, and based on what 128 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 2: we know of his life, he was probably at least 129 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 2: seventy years old. The brothers do seem to have each 130 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 2: had a primary focus for their work, Muhammad in astronomy, 131 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 2: al Hassan in geometry and mathematics, and Ahmad in mechanics. Engineering, 132 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 2: and the sciences, so they formed an interdisciplinary team, and 133 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 2: many of their works were credited to all three of 134 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 2: them collectively. We mentioned earlier that when alma Mun was caliph, 135 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 2: he expanded the role of the House of Wisdom. Alma 136 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 2: Mun wanted to put an end to the ongoing sectarian 137 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 2: rivalries and factionalism within the Caliphate, and his dedication to 138 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 2: preserving and expanding knowledge was connected to that effort. He 139 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 2: was not successful at putting an end to all the 140 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 2: various splits and rivalries, but he did encourage the House 141 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 2: of Wisdom to take on new translation projects, and he 142 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 2: founded astronomical observatories and other centers of learning and study. 143 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 2: The Banu Muso were a big part of the translation 144 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 2: efforts at the House of Wisdom. They had been orphans 145 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 2: without a lot of resources when they first arrived there, 146 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 2: but they became wealthy through their works for the caliphs, 147 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 2: and they used that wealth to employ a group of translators, 148 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 2: reportedly spending five hundred dinars a month. They hired people 149 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 2: to travel into Byzantine territory to are ancient Greek texts 150 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 2: and bring them back to Baghdad, and they took some 151 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 2: of those trips themselves. Muhammad is credited with recruiting renowned 152 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 2: mathematician and translator Tabid iban Kura of Haran in northern 153 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 2: Mesopotamia to work at the House of Wisdom on one 154 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 2: of these trips. There are some ancient works that we 155 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 2: only have today because of translations that the Banu Musa 156 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 2: commissioned and paid for, including that of the first century 157 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 2: Greek mathematician Hero of Alexandria. In addition to their translation projects, 158 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 2: the Banu Musa produced work of their own, and they 159 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 2: did this through the reigns of multiple califs. We will 160 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 2: talk more about that after a sponsor break. One of 161 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 2: the things Caleph al Mamun directed the Banu Musa to 162 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 2: do was to calculate the circumference of the earth to 163 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 2: check the work of ancient scholars. They did this by 164 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 2: going to the desert of Alsan Djar in what's now 165 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 2: in northern Iraq. They measured the highest point of the 166 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 2: pole star in the sky in the ninth century that 167 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 2: would have been Polaris in the northern hemisphere as it 168 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 2: is today. They walked north until the star's highest point 169 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 2: was one degree higher than it had been. They measured 170 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 2: the distance that they traveled with ropes. Then they repeated 171 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 2: the process going south. Using these measurements, they calculated that 172 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 2: the circumference of the Earth was twenty four thousand miles 173 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 2: or thirty eight thousand, six hundred kilometers. That is pretty 174 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 2: close the measurement recognized the day is twenty four thousand, 175 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 2: nine hundred one miles or forty thousand, seventy five kilometers. 176 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 2: They also calculated the length of a year at three 177 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 2: hundred and sixty five days and less than six hours. 178 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 2: The brothers work in astronomy was built on the framework 179 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 2: of Alexandrian astronomer and mathematician Ptolemy, who lived around the 180 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 2: year one point fifty. In the Ptolemaic model, the Earth 181 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 2: is at the center of the universe, and the Sun, Moon, planets, 182 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 2: and stars move around the Earth in circular orbits. This 183 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 2: doesn't line up with how these bodies move when observed 184 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 2: from the Earth. Ptolemy's explanation for this was that the Sun, Moon, planets, 185 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 2: and stars were each contained within an invisible sphere, and 186 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 2: that they moved in spherical epicycles while orbiting the Earth. 187 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 2: Some descriptions of the Ptolemaic model include another sphere beyond 188 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 2: the one containing the stars, which is the prime mover 189 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 2: that powers all the others. Sometimes this is called the 190 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 2: ninth sphere. This idea might not have come directly from 191 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 2: the work of Ptolemy, though, but from later scholars who 192 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:40,199 Speaker 2: produced translations and commentaries on his work. Mohammed eb and 193 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 2: Musa wrote astronomical texts that explained the motion of the sun, moon, planets, 194 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 2: and stars, but without that prime mover. Ahmad Eben Musa 195 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 2: also reportedly wrote a work called Book on the Mathematical 196 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 2: Proof by Geometry that there is not a ninth sphere 197 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 2: outside the sphere of the fixed stars. There katab al Hayal, 198 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 2: translated as the Book of Ingenious Devices or Book of Tricks, 199 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 2: included one hundred devices along with three others in an appendix. 200 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 2: This was probably primarily a Mod's work, but it's credited 201 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 2: to all three brothers. These included descriptions of devices from 202 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 2: other parts of the world, including Greece and China, as 203 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 2: well as the Banu Musa's own original designs. Most of 204 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 2: the devices in this book are jugs, flasks, fountains, and 205 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 2: oil lamps. There are jugs that can be filled with 206 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 2: liquids of different colors, which then pour out each of 207 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 2: the colors separately. Thanks to their inner vessels and plumbing, 208 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 2: A number of them dispense specific amounts of water or wine, 209 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 2: or they refill a basin with a set amount of 210 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 2: a liquid. Once that basin has been emptied, the lamps 211 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 2: can refill their oil, automatically, trim their wicks, and shield 212 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 2: themselves from the wind. This book also includes some devices 213 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 2: that we would describe as automata. So one is this 214 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 2: arrangement of two basins adjacent to a small animal and 215 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 2: a lion, and if only the basin adjacent to the 216 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 2: small animal is filled, nothing will happen. But if the 217 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 2: basin that's adjacent to the lion is filled, both of 218 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 2: the animals drink. There's also one that is a drinking bull, 219 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 2: which makes a sound that indicates that it's thirsty. The 220 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 2: book also describes one that is a trough filled with water, 221 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 2: and when the figurines of twenty animals around it drink 222 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 2: from it, nothing happens, But when a bowl figurine that's 223 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 2: part of it drinks from it, all of the water disappears. 224 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 2: The fountains that are described in this work can produce 225 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 2: streams of water in several shapes, including jets, shields, and lilies. 226 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 1: Of the valley. 227 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 2: The lily of the valley had the water going upward 228 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 2: first and then arcing back down, so making the sort 229 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 2: of bell like shape of one of those flowers. The 230 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 2: shield was similar to that, but wider and flatter. There 231 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 2: are also descriptions and diagrams of all these various objects 232 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 2: in how they work. They also wrote a treatise called 233 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 2: a Book on the Description of the Instrument which plays 234 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 2: by itself. This instrument is described as a hydraulic organ 235 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 2: or a self playing flute. It used a hydraulic air 236 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 2: compressor to force air through a nine hold flute with 237 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 2: levers to cover and uncover the holes. The mechanism connected 238 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 2: to the levers was a rotating cylinder with adjustable pieces 239 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 2: to change which holes were open or closed. It was 240 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 2: a little bit like a music box, although the first 241 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 2: modern music boxes were not developed until around the seventeen seventies. 242 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 2: Because the cylinder could be adjusted to make the flute 243 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 2: play different melodies, this is sometimes described as the first 244 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 2: programmable machine. The Benu Musa got some criticism for spending 245 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 2: so much time on these kinds of devices, even though 246 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 2: a lot of their work on this subject had been 247 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 2: commissioned by a caliph. People thought these were just novelties 248 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 2: with no practical purpose, and that the Banu Musa should 249 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:08,479 Speaker 2: be focusing their clearly noteworthy abilities on something more worthwhile. 250 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 2: But setting aside the perceptions of whether fun is worthwhile, 251 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 2: these objects were based on a lot of technologies that 252 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 2: did have practical uses, like self operating valves, timing systems, 253 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 2: gear and crank systems, pneumatic controls, and ways to detect 254 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 2: and adjust water levels. A lot of these devices had 255 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 2: to detect and respond to changes in water pressure or 256 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 2: water levels, or they had to maintain steady flows of 257 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 2: water or oil or another liquid, and this was particularly 258 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 2: important somewhere like Baghdad. Bagdad is surrounded by desert, and 259 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 2: in the ninth century when the Banu Musa were living, 260 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 2: an extensive network of canals moved water from the Tigris 261 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 2: and Euphrates rivers to the city and the surrounding countryside. 262 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 2: The canals were used for irrigation, drainage, and transportation, and 263 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 2: it was critically important for the water to get where 264 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 2: it was supposed to go, but not go where it 265 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 2: wasn't a whole sophisticated plumbing system was required to do this, 266 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 2: and the fountains were also highly valued in Baghdad, especially 267 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 2: by the elite. Fountains were often a focus in gardens 268 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 2: and courtyards, and they had both an esthetic and a 269 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 2: practical purpose. They looked and sounded beautiful, and they also 270 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 2: provided a cooling element in a hot city and a 271 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 2: source of water. So a lot of these ingenious devices 272 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 2: were based on technologies that allowed people to move and 273 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 2: control water in a more immediately practical way. The Banu 274 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 2: Musa developed other devices as well, including a clamshell grab 275 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 2: that could kind of scoop up earth and was used 276 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 2: to dredge rivers and canals, and gas masks and ventilation 277 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 2: systems used for people who needed to clean contaminated wells. 278 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 2: Much of the Banu Musa's most well known work took 279 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 2: place during the rule of tenth Abbasid caliph al Mudawakils. 280 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 2: Sometimes al Mudawakil is cited as the person who commissioned 281 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,919 Speaker 2: the Book of Ingenious Devices, but other sources credit al Mamun. 282 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 2: The Banu Musa definitely worked on canals and other public 283 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 2: works projects that were commissioned by al Mudawakil. This was 284 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 2: connected to some of the disputes that the Banu Musa 285 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 2: were involved with, and we will get to that after 286 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 2: another sponsor break. Tenth Absid caliph al Mudawakhil was more 287 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 2: dogmatic than some of the earlier Absid caliphs had been. 288 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 2: He was known for persecuting unorthodox Muslim sects as well 289 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 2: as Christians and Jews and adherents of other religions, and 290 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 2: for destroying synagogues and churches. He also revived restrictive rules 291 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 2: of dress for Christians and Jews. It seems like, at 292 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 2: least for a time, the Banu Musa were in this 293 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 2: caliph's favor. He was in power from eight forty seven 294 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 2: until he was assassinated in eight sixty one, and the 295 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 2: Banu Musa did a lot of work that he commissioned 296 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 2: during that time. But one of their last projects for 297 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 2: him did not go well. He had commissioned a new canal, 298 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 2: and while the Banu Musa designed it, they hired a 299 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 2: man called Ahmad Ibn Katir al Farragani to actually do 300 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 2: the work. Alfragani made an error and how the canal 301 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 2: was leveled. Al Muduwakil heard about this error and told 302 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 2: the Banu Musa that if the canal did not work properly, 303 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 2: he would crucify them next to it. Astronomer and mathematicians. 304 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 2: Thenad bin Ali was tasked with an investigation, and he 305 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 2: said the brothers work was good, but the water level 306 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 2: in the canal was dependent upon the season, and eventually 307 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 2: it became obvious that it was not built correctly. That 308 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 2: did not become obvious until about two months after al 309 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 2: Muduwakil had been assassinated. Though al Mudawakil was also connected 310 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 2: to a decades long feud that the Banu Musa had 311 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 2: with polymath and philosopher al Kindi, and explanations are not 312 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 2: entirely clear about what was really at the root of 313 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 2: this feud. Some accounts describe it as part of a 314 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 2: greater intellectual feud between mathematicians and philosophers. Others cite the 315 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 2: Banu Musa's personal jealousy over al Kindi's private library and 316 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 2: the number and rarity of texts that he had in it. 317 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,919 Speaker 2: Eleventh century scholar al Baruni described this feud as so 318 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 2: intense it would turn children's hair gray. It's also possible 319 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 2: all of these things were involved in the feud or 320 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 2: other things that we haven't mentioned here. Whatever the details were, 321 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 2: the Banu Musa worked with al Mudawakil to seize al 322 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 2: Kendi's library and have him beaten and expelled from the 323 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 2: House of Wisdom. After the whole incident with the canal, 324 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 2: Sanad bin Ali arranged to have the library return to him. 325 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 2: Sanad bin Ali seems to have had I had a 326 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 2: complicated relationship with the Banu Musa. They worked against him 327 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:08,199 Speaker 2: because of his overlap with their own research and his 328 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 2: work with Alkndi. They tried to keep him isolated from 329 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 2: the caliph, but he also saved their lives by vouching 330 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 2: for them during this whole canal situation, and the Batu 331 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 2: Musa's dislike of al Kindi also had greater political ramifications. 332 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,239 Speaker 2: The assassination of al Mudawakil started a period known as 333 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 2: the Anarchy at Samara, in which a series of caliphs 334 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 2: all died by violence. Samara is northwest of Baghdad on 335 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 2: the Tigris River, and it was established by the Abbasid 336 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 2: Caliphate as an administrative center and military base. At the 337 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 2: same time, the Turkish army, which a series of caliphs 338 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 2: had relied on for military support, was taking more and 339 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 2: more control over the caliphant so to walk through it, 340 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:55,199 Speaker 2: Al Mudawakil was murdered by his Turkish guards, possibly with 341 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 2: the support of his son and successor, Al Mundasir. Al 342 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 2: Mundasir after six months in power, possibly after being poisoned. 343 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 2: Then the next caliph, al Mustain, was forced to flee 344 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 2: Baghdad and was later executed. His successor, al Mutaz, was 345 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 2: chosen by the Turkish army. Al Mutaz was deposed and killed, 346 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 2: and his successor, al Mutati was killed after only about 347 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 2: a year. All of this happened over the span of 348 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 2: nine years between eight sixty one and eight seventy. If 349 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 2: you are thinking right about now, this seems like a 350 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 2: logical fit for a game with assassins in the name 351 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 2: al Mudawakil is killed during the prologue of Assassin's creed 352 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 2: kind of sets up the whole thing. The Banu Musa's 353 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 2: involvement with this extremely chaotic and violent period was after 354 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 2: the death of al Mutasir, who had not named a successor. 355 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 2: One of the candidates was al Mustain's brother, who was 356 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 2: friends with al Kindy, so the Banu Musa, particularly Muhammad, 357 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:01,360 Speaker 2: worked against him promoted al Mustain instead. After al Mustan 358 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 2: became caliph, Muhammad worked with him, including being sent to 359 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 2: estimate the size of the opposing army when Baghdad was 360 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 2: under siege, so they can take that into account when 361 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 2: negotiating the terms of al Mustain's abdication. We don't really 362 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 2: have much detail about the lives and work of the 363 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 2: Banu Musa after this point, and as we mentioned earlier, 364 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 2: the likely oldest of them, Muhammad, died in eight seventy three, 365 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 2: so that was not long after the end of the 366 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 2: anarchy at Samara. We know that they wrote at least 367 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 2: twenty books, but many of those books have not survived 368 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 2: until today. While the House of Wisdom and the Greater 369 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 2: Translation Movement are credited with preserving a lot of ancient 370 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 2: texts we would not have otherwise. A lot of the 371 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 2: Banu Musa's work was destroyed during the Mongol invasion of 372 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 2: Baghdad in twelve fifty eight. Works that still exist today 373 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 2: include three complete manuscripts of the Book of Ingenious Devices, 374 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 2: several copies of the Book on the Measurement of Plain 375 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 2: and spherical figures, copies of on Mechanical Devices or on Mechanics, 376 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 2: and one of Book on the Description of the Instrument 377 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 2: which sounds by itself. Books that have not survived include 378 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 2: Book on the Steelyard, the Book of the First Movement 379 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 2: of the Spheres, the Book of the Beginning of the World, 380 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,360 Speaker 2: and the Book on the Nature of Speech, among others. 381 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 2: Their work was really influential during the Islamic Golden Age 382 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 2: and beyond. They worked with Muhammad ibn Musa al Korizmi, 383 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 2: also known as the Father of Algebra, at the House 384 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 2: of Wisdom, although I did find one source that speculated 385 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 2: that Mohammed ibn Musa al Korismi and Mohammad ibn Musa 386 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 2: ibn Shakir were the same person, which broke my mind 387 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 2: a little bit. The Banu Musa's work in mathematics also 388 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 2: influenced ibanel Hatham and other scholars during the Islamic Golden Age. 389 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,959 Speaker 2: We have done episodes on both Alkorismi and ibenel Hatham. 390 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 1: In the twelfth century, Gerard of Kremona translated the Banu 391 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: Musa's work on geometry into Latin and Book on the 392 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 1: Measurement of Plane and spherical figures, translated as Libertrium fredom 393 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: to Geometria, became a standard geometry text in Europe. Leonardo 394 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: Fibonacci's Practica Geometria was influenced by the Banu Mus's geometry work, 395 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: and their ingenious devices likely inspired Leonardo da Vinci. 396 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 2: Also, in Assassin's Greed Mirage, there's a little quest line 397 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 2: involving one of them. Also, you can bring them materials 398 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 2: so they can upgrade your tools. One of their books 399 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 2: is out there somewhere in the world. I found it anyway, 400 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 2: I enjoyed that game. Talk about it more and behind 401 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 2: the scenes probably, And I also have some listener mail 402 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 2: that is not about this at all. This is from Zach. 403 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 2: Zach wrote and the subject line is just gospacho. Hi, Tracy. 404 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 2: I listened to today's behind the scenes episode, and the 405 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 2: moment you said the word gaspacho, I knew what you 406 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 2: were going to say. I was also completely charmed by 407 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 2: the availability of gaspacho in Spanish grocery stores. When I 408 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 2: visited Barcelona and I went back to Spain last summer, 409 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 2: I made a point to seek it out as much 410 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 2: as possible. You can also find it in other cities 411 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 2: like Sarcoza. It is truly one of the best small 412 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 2: pleasures of Spain. I wonder if y'all also encountered the 413 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 2: very strange non alcoholic vermuth for children, which has quite 414 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 2: a lot of red number five in it, and which 415 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 2: I haven't seen anywhere but Catalonia. Take care and happy holidays, Zach. So. 416 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 2: I don't think I encountered any non alcoholic vermuth. I 417 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 2: feel like it came up in a discussion when we 418 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 2: were doing the food tour and you were in a 419 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 2: different group with the yeah guide, But I'm not positive 420 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 2: I could be misremembering. Yeah, we did experience the beverage 421 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 2: that is called vermuth in Catalonia, which is a bit 422 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,479 Speaker 2: different from what you might just buy in a bottle 423 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 2: right in the United States. 424 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: Please refrigerate it. 425 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 2: Be your bottle of Yeah, A lot of people don't 426 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 2: refrigerate vermouth. 427 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: You should anyway, I feel strong, yes is shure? Uh So, Yeah, 428 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: I don't think. 429 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 2: I don't think I encountered a version of vermouth for children. 430 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 2: I enjoyed the vermouth that we were served in Barcelona 431 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 2: on our on our tasting tour that we went on. 432 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 2: We are working on planning the next trip. We are 433 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,640 Speaker 2: not ready to announce anything about it yet, So thank 434 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 2: you so much. 435 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: Zach for this email. 436 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 2: And I'm so glad I'm not the only person who's 437 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 2: just so excited about uh gasbatcha at the grocery store. 438 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 2: If you would like to write to us about this 439 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 2: or any other podcast or a history podcast at aheartradio 440 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 2: dot com. We're on social media at miss in History, 441 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 2: and you can subscribe to our show on iHeartRadio app 442 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 2: and wherever else you'd like to get your podcasts. 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