1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 2: This is the Bloomberg DAYBAQ podcast. Good Morning is Thursday, 3 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 2: the tenth of July. I'm Caroline Hepkit in London and. 4 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 3: I'm Stephen Caroline Brussels. Coming up today, Brazil's currency plunges 5 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 3: as Donald Trump hits the country with a fifty percent 6 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 3: trade tariff. 7 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 2: Macro and Starmer agree to closer defense and energy ties 8 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 2: and discuss steps to stop migrant channel crossings. 9 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 3: Plus getting back on track, Puman Adidas looked to running 10 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 3: shoes to turn around their fortunes after losing ground to 11 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 3: small arrivals. 12 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 4: Let's start with a roundup of our top stories. 13 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 3: US President Donald Trump says he will impose fifty percent 14 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 3: tariffs on goods from Brazil, citing what he called the 15 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 3: country's insidious attacks on free elections. The Brazilian reale summed 16 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 3: by nearly three percent against the US dollar after the announcement. 17 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 5: Bloomberg's Washington Deputy. 18 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 3: Beewer chief Lura Davison says it's a big escalation. 19 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 6: Brazil actually had an original ten percent tariff on liberation 20 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 6: Data's fifty percent is the largest delta we've seen of 21 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 6: any of these countries that have come out so far, 22 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 6: and the US actually has a trade surplus with Brazil, 23 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 6: So unlike the justification of this being basically some part 24 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 6: on trade deficits, this seems to be much more about politics. 25 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 3: Lora Davison, referring there to Trump's citing a witch hunt 26 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,839 Speaker 3: trial against former Brazilian president jarrebal scenario as the reason 27 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 3: for the hike in the levee. The right wing former 28 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 3: leader is facing trial on charges that he attempted a 29 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 3: coup following his twenty twenty two election defeat. Brazil's current president, 30 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 3: Luis Ignacio Lula de Silva, says he would respond to 31 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 3: any unilateral tariff hikes. 32 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 2: President Champ also confirms that a planned fifty percent tariff 33 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 2: on copper imports will begin on the first of August. 34 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 2: The hard and expected levee was signaled by Trump in 35 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 2: comments to reporters on Tuesday, but the president to tooth 36 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: social late on Wednesday to confirm the start date. Speaking 37 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 2: to Blue Blomberg, the chair of the President's US Council 38 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 2: of Economic Advisors, Stephen Mirran, said that the move is 39 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 2: part of Trump's push to rebuild US industries. 40 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 7: You know there are certain critical minerals, of which copper 41 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 7: is one that you just absolutely need if you're going 42 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 7: to have a manufacturing sector. And having a manufacturing sector 43 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 7: is important, not just economically, because it tends to be 44 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 7: a high, high capital, high productivity field. 45 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 2: Stephen Myron spoke to Bloomberg as the President also unveiled 46 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: a new round of tariff letters yesterday. They set levies 47 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 2: on imported goods effective from the first of August, for 48 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 2: those partners who failed to reach trade deals with the US. 49 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 2: So the list includes a thirty percent rate on Algeria, Libya, 50 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 2: Iraq and Sri Lanka, twenty five percent duties on products 51 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 2: from Brunei and Moldova, and a twenty percent rate on 52 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 2: goods from the Philippines. Of those seven countries, only the 53 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 2: Philippines ranks Amongst America's top fifty trading partners. 54 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 3: As the deadline for TOM on US reciprocal tariffs knee nears, 55 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 3: the European Union seems increasingly willing to accept a one 56 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 3: sided deal to stave off a trade war. That's the 57 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 3: view of Bloomberg Economics, which says that in a best 58 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 3: case scenario where the EU faces only ten percent tariffs 59 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 3: and no duties on cars, car parks or metal products, 60 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 3: the tariff shop would drop to about five and a 61 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 3: half percentage points, down from nine points under the current policy. 62 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 3: Former EU trade negotiator John Clark told us that the 63 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 3: block is in what he believes is an impossible position. 64 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 8: I think this is the most difficult negotiation in memory, 65 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 8: frankly for the European Union, and I would not want 66 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 8: to be an EU train negotiator on this one. The 67 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 8: go posts are moving all the time, the US negotiating 68 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 8: with They've gun against its head of twenty percent or 69 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 8: fifty percent tariff in August, depending on what daily week 70 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 8: it is. There are doubts I think whether any deal 71 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 8: that Trump Incs will be actually honored. And then the 72 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 8: Commission is very divided about whether it should stick to principles, 73 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 8: not accept anything which is to illegal, or the equivalent 74 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 8: quote pragmatic and go for a quick thirty deal of 75 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 8: the kind that the British did. 76 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 3: You can hear that full conversation with John Clark on 77 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 3: the Bloomberg Talks podcast. All of our key conversations in 78 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 3: one place now. 79 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 2: In other news, Nvidia became the first company in history 80 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 2: to reach a valuation of four trillion dollars. The chip 81 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 2: maker's stock has risen more than twenty percent this year, 82 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 2: and is up more than one thousand percent since the 83 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 2: beginning of twenty twenty three. Bloomberg Semiconductor editor Ian King 84 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 2: says it could still go further, so on. 85 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 9: A price to winnings ratio fifty two times doesn't sound 86 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 9: totally crazy, and that doesn't even get it into the 87 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 9: top ten list of semiconductor makers, so relatively, it's not 88 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 9: that expensive. No other semiconductor company has ever had more 89 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 9: than one hundred million dollars of revenue, ever, not even 90 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:52,799 Speaker 9: Intel at its peak. 91 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 2: King adds that the latest catalyst for the stock's boom 92 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 2: has been a commitment to AI spending from Nvidia's big customers, 93 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 2: showing demand to remain strong. It's a stunning rebound after 94 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,239 Speaker 2: a rough start to the year when China's Deep Seek 95 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 2: sparked spending fits across the AI space. Nvidia now accounts 96 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 2: to seven point five percent of the S and P 97 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 2: five hundred index, n its highest influence on record. 98 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 3: The British and French governments plan to order more storm 99 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 3: Shadow cruise missiles as they seek closer ties on defense 100 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 3: and migration. The announcement comes as Francis President Emanuel Macron 101 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 3: makes the first state visit to the UK of any 102 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 3: European leader since Brexit. Macron hailed Starmar's work on Ukraine 103 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 3: as bringing the two countries closer together, but. 104 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 8: As well as changing time from a great to Middle 105 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 8: East icing scene. It's a fathership and a friendship between 106 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 8: the Europe and France is absolutely I would see the 107 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 8: game changer. 108 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 3: The UK is keen to get President Macron to sign 109 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 3: up to a new deal on migration before he leaves 110 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 3: later today. The two leaders will also dial into a 111 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 3: meeting of nations willing to help Ukraine, the so called 112 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 3: Coalition of the Willing, including a US representative. It comes 113 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,919 Speaker 3: as Sky News reports that President Trump is likely to 114 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 3: visit the UK at the end of July or beginning 115 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 3: of August in an unofficial trip to his golf courses 116 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 3: in Scotland. 117 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 2: This week, scientists have released a first of its kind 118 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 2: rapid attribution study linking recent deaths in Europe to climate 119 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 2: change driven extreme heat. 120 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 4: Bloomberg's U and pots has more now. 121 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 10: Scientists say the hot weather in Europe over the ten 122 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 10: day period to the second of July killed and estimated 123 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 10: two three hundred people in twelve cities. The research, led 124 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 10: by a team at two London universities, found that climate 125 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 10: change made the continent's recent heat wave three times more fatal, 126 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 10: with man made global warming increasing temperatures by between one 127 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 10: and four degrees centigrade in the city studied. The report 128 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 10: comes as more and more countries measures to mitigate periods 129 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 10: of extreme heat. In London i'm Une pots Spoonberg Radio. 130 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 3: The Bank of England is warning that UK bond's risk 131 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 3: being hit by a wave of forced selling and an 132 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 3: echo of the truss era meltdown. The Central Bank's Financial 133 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 3: Stability Report points to hedge funds borrowing seventy seven billion 134 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 3: pounds in the repo market to make big bets on 135 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 3: the margin between government bonds and their futures, the so 136 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 3: called basis trade. The fear is that these small, highly 137 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 3: leveraged players could cause a market blow up have caught short. 138 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 3: Officials also pointed out because some of these funds are 139 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 3: domiciled off shore, the BOE will find it tough to 140 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 3: keep track of the threat they pose to the market. 141 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 3: It shows the perilous market backdrop that threatens to turn 142 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 3: against Chancellor of the Exchequer Rachel Reeves. 143 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 2: And those are our top stories for you this morning. 144 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: So thinking about the markets, the Brazilian reale led emerging 145 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 2: market currency losses on Wednesday, dropping as much as two 146 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 2: point nine percent because of Trump's tower fifty percent on 147 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 2: the Latin American country. It was the biggest drop in 148 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 2: more than three months for the raale. This morning, the 149 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 2: Bloomberg Dollar Spot index is softer, down a tenth of 150 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 2: one percent. Also, stop futures for the US in the 151 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 2: red orthough they're in the green for Europe up almost 152 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 2: two tenths of one percent. Let's see if that holds 153 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 2: given the uncertainty, the worries around tariffs and the tariff 154 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 2: letters and the copper tariff. In terms of the bond markets, 155 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 2: two year treasuries fairly steady in terms of yields three 156 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,959 Speaker 2: eighty five ten yeards at four thirty four. Bitcoin hit 157 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 2: a record high on Wednesday and it holds close to 158 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 2: that level. We're up a three tenths of one percent 159 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 2: this morning, and copper on the London Metals Exchange up 160 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 2: six tenths of one percent this morning. So pressure in 161 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 2: the copper market still in. 162 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 3: A moment, we'll bring you more on what Donald Trump's 163 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 3: trade letters have in store for Brazil, plus why top 164 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 3: European sportswear brands are helping for a run of success 165 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 3: with running. But another story that we've been reading this 166 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 3: morning European countries. We've been talking about this a lot 167 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 3: Caroline ramping up their spending on defense, but we've been 168 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 3: speaking to some of the part time soldiers who've signed 169 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 3: up as reservists in different parts of the continent. This 170 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 3: is a whole different part of the challenge where Europe's 171 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 3: rethinking its defense, which is actually getting people to sign 172 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 3: up to the armed forces, either as volunteers or as 173 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 3: conscripts under military service rules. So we've spoken to people 174 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 3: in Lithuania, in Denmark, in France, and some really fascinating 175 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 3: insights about what motivates people to sign up. Our colleagues 176 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 3: in France talking to a twenty year old student who 177 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 3: said that he signed up out of patriotism, not specifically 178 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 3: to fight, but because he says there are other things 179 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 3: that he can bring to being in the army. And 180 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 3: at the same camp there was the oldest of the reservists, 181 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 3: sixty year old Dalila. She was previously in the Algerian 182 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 3: Air Force before earning her master's degree and going on 183 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 3: to a career in the French public service. And she 184 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 3: also signed up because she wanted to reskill the skills 185 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 3: that she had used in her previous career and didn't 186 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 3: mind going back to the lowest rank because she said 187 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 3: it was necessary to learn what the common practices are now. 188 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, look, it's part of a huge rethink, isn't it. 189 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 2: Across Europe military service hadn't been as popular. Also, we've 190 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 2: got an aging population, I mean in Britain and across 191 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 2: the continent. But there is a massive mind shift that 192 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 2: is taking place. And as you say conscription reservists, there 193 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 2: is also pay. There's additional pay also for people who 194 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 2: sign up. In a lot of these European countries, you can, 195 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 2: for example, do your reserve days and also be paid 196 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 2: for your regular job, whatever that might be. But yes, 197 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 2: as you say, massive mental adjustment, I think in Europe. 198 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, indeed. And we'll put a link to that story 199 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 3: in our podcast show Notes for you. Let's bring you 200 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 3: the latest throw on our top story this morning and 201 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 3: the round of trade letters from Donald Trump sending Brazil's 202 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 3: currency into a slump, the reale plunging after the US 203 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 3: president threatened fifty percent tariff from the country, saying that 204 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,839 Speaker 3: it was art due to Brazil's attacks on free elections. 205 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 3: Our EMA and news director Osmad Matheson is with us 206 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 3: from more Eros. 207 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 5: Good morning. 208 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 3: This fifty percent figure higher than most of the tarifrates 209 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 3: that Donald Trump is announced. Why is he targeting Brazil 210 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 3: in particular? 211 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 11: Well, yes, quite a surprise for the market to see this, 212 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 11: and we could see that in the extent of the 213 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 11: market reaction that came. 214 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 5: There seemed to be several factors at play here. 215 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 11: One is that we had quite a bit of public 216 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 11: wrangling between Trump and the Brazilian leader Lula, who was 217 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 11: hosting leaders from the Bricks grouping this past weekend, and 218 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 11: when Trump threatened to put a ten percent levy on 219 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 11: BRICKS members, you got quite a public a pushback there 220 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 11: from Lula, who pushed back very publicly, and so that 221 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 11: probably created a bit of tension between the two of them. 222 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 11: You've also got this long running issue of the former 223 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 11: leader Jared Bolsonaro, who is somewhat of a friend of 224 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 11: Donald Trump, and Donald Trump has for a long time 225 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 11: accused Brazil of politically persecuted, persecuting Bolsonaro. Bolsnow, of course, 226 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 11: is about to face trial on charges that he attempted 227 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 11: a coup, and he's barred from political office, which means 228 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 11: he cannot currently run again in the next presidential election. 229 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 11: Donald Trump has been accusing Brazil of persecuting Bolsonaro, calling 230 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 11: it even a witch hunt of Bolsno and his families, 231 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 11: and saying that the trial should end. So quite a 232 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 11: direct insertion there by Donald Trump in domestic Brazil politics 233 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 11: and in putting the fifty percent tariff on Brazil, he 234 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 11: actually cited this case and saying that he was making 235 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 11: this charge due to what he called Brazil's insitious attacks 236 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 11: on free elections, And so very much seems to be 237 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 11: quite a political motivation behind this fifty percent, not just 238 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 11: the pure realities of trade. 239 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, because Brazil has a trade deficit with the US. 240 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 2: Lessons will other countries draw from this that it's not 241 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 2: just about the trade balance that President Trump is focused on. 242 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 5: Well, absolutely, so that is the interesting thing. 243 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 11: Again, as you say, Brazil is the second largest trading 244 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 11: partner of the US, so this could affect it quite significantly. 245 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 11: China of course is the first, but exports a lot 246 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 11: of staff to the US, including steel products, aircraft and 247 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 11: aircraft parts and so on, but it does run a 248 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 11: surplus with the US. And so the question is is 249 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 11: Donald Trump coming for countries purely on the basis of 250 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 11: their trade relationship and their trade surplus. Is he coming 251 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 11: for them because he thinks they have a lock on 252 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 11: certain important things like copper steel in the case of 253 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 11: China recently. 254 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 5: Obviously rare earths as well? 255 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 11: Do you have something that he wants to get his 256 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 11: hands on more easily for US companies or is there 257 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 11: a mix of everything in there, his view on politics 258 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 11: in your country or his relationship with your leader. 259 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 3: This is such an interesting time to be watching these 260 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 3: developments as well. For now, Rosler Mathson, thank you very 261 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 3: much for bringing us up to date, our EMEA news director. 262 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 2: Now let's turn our attention to running, which could turn 263 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 2: around the fortunes of these sports where brands Puma and 264 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 2: added US as they look to make up ground lost 265 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 2: to new rivals. These firms are also facing major risks 266 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 2: from tariff on countries like Vietnam, a big supplier in 267 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 2: the region. Our EMEA earning specialist Chloe Malay joins US 268 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 2: now for more on the story, come morning, Chloe. 269 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 4: Why is running now such a key sport for Puma 270 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 4: and added us? 271 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, so running is obviously nothing new necessarily for Puma 272 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: and Adidas. It's always been a space fit for innovation, 273 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: but there is a renewed focus at the moment and 274 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: that's due to the intersection of a few things. 275 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 5: Obviously, there's a growing enthusiasm. 276 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 4: For the sport. 277 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: Secondly, those two big players have lost a bit of 278 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: market share to smaller brands like Hokker and On, etc. 279 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: And then finally, there is a tariff threat there is 280 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: hanging over those two companies that they've really hurt the 281 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: shares over the last few months. So all of this 282 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: makes it so that reviving the demand in that category 283 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: really is key to sort of cushion that tariff impact 284 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: and to take advantage of that sales momentum in the category. 285 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: So I spoke to an analyst at Deutsche Bank who 286 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: said that running is the most exciting category for growth 287 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: over the coming quarters as well as this one, and 288 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: he said that those companies really hadn't focused on running 289 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: as much as they should have over the last five 290 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: years or so, but now it looks like a smart 291 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: bet really, because all of this points to the running 292 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: category are something that provides some sort of relief essentially. 293 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 3: So how could these companies shift their strategies to respond 294 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 3: to this momentum. 295 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: Well, one thing to look for in particular is what 296 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: is going to happen with the new CEO of Puma, 297 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: Arthur Hold, who just started the job couple of weeks ago. 298 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: So the consensus is that he's really keen to focus 299 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: on that category and in particular the nitro line, which 300 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: is a which those shoes are with the souls with 301 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: nitrogen gas inside for the added bounce, So that CEO 302 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: change might be a real kind of important catalyst for Puma. 303 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: For Adidas, analysts are saying that the company is becoming 304 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: more relevant thanks to record breaking performances from athletes wearing 305 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: that Adidas gear and then also quite strong engagement on 306 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: the running Instagram page of Adidas, so we could see 307 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: the company kind of doubling down on those areas. And 308 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: another thing to note is also that China is becoming 309 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: it might become even more of a key market. It 310 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: has a national Fitness Plan which is kind of promoting 311 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: physical exercise among the population. Then that could lead companies 312 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: like Adidas to sponsor events and to sell price or 313 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: equipment there as well. 314 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 2: Okay, so investors, how do they feel about this? 315 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: Well, the idea from analyst is that the bigger brands, 316 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: those bigger brands start to get attraction in the running category, 317 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: that could kind of lift investor sentiment. But obviously they're 318 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: starting from quite a tough position. So Adidas is done 319 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 1: about ten percent here today, Puma as much as almost 320 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,360 Speaker 1: down fifty percent, so they have quite a long way 321 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: to come back from. And obviously the geopolitical context, the 322 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: macroeconomic context kind of complicates that and makes it a 323 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 1: bit harder for investors to focus on the positives. 324 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 3: Well, indeed, on that point, KOI, what do we think 325 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 3: that we might hear from these companies on the issue 326 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 3: of tariffs and their upcoming updates. 327 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, so obviously we've got brand new rates on Cambodia, 328 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 1: allows Thailand, Vietnam, et cetera. So all of these are 329 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 1: key supply hubs for the fashion industry, and that really 330 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 1: complicates the picture. Means higher cost, it means probably having 331 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: to raise prices, and Puma and Adidas are reporting right 332 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: before so on the thirtieth and thirty first of July, 333 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: which is right before the August first deadline that was 334 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: imposed by bat Donald Trump. So they might be, as 335 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: we speak, tweaking those earning states to kind of add 336 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: a line about that caution and about how they might 337 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 1: be thinking about, you know, adjusting their supply chains for example. 338 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: But because there has been so much back and forth 339 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 1: with the tariffs, I think it's quite likely to see 340 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: very specific numbers on the impact, but they'll definitely be 341 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: cautious commentary around this and what that means for the 342 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: business going forward. 343 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, interesting. 344 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 2: Chloe, thank you so much for being with us our 345 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 2: e MAA earning specist, Chloe Malay, who's just about to 346 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 2: get into another very busy earning season, so thank you 347 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 2: for being with us. Look, the only person, frankly who 348 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 2: knows much about running on this podcast I suspect is 349 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 2: Stephen Carot. I wonder whether you found a new running 350 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 2: route in your new city. 351 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 5: Right I'm still working it out. 352 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 3: This is the problem is that like you go one direction, 353 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 3: you think, yeah, this will be fine, you realize you're 354 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 3: actually running along a motorway. So then sometimes google matter 355 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 3: is not the most helpful when you're looking for places 356 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 3: to run, So all suggestions a post card, please. 357 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, Okay. 358 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,360 Speaker 2: I've got some producers chiming in as well about how 359 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 2: we are all runners. 360 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 4: Perhaps just it's not me. 361 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 3: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Europe, your morning brief on the 362 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 3: stories making news from London to Wall Street and beyond. 363 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 2: Look for us on your podcast feed every morning on Apple, 364 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 2: Spotify and anywhere else you get your podcasts. 365 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 3: You can also listen live each morning on London Dab Radio, 366 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 3: the Bloomberg Business app, and Bloomberg dot Com. 367 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 2: Our flagship New York station is also available on your 368 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 2: Amazon Alexa devices. 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